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Speaker 1: Well, good evening, everyone, Welcome to Stinchfield. Listen, we got

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Speaker 1: great news out of Washington, DC. We're going on ten

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Speaker 1: eleven days not one murder in Washington DC. Why because

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Speaker 1: President Trump's crime prevention program is working. What does the

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Speaker 1: crime prevention program look like when you have conservatives and

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Speaker 1: law and order make America Great Again executives running the show,

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Speaker 1: It looks like this. You arrest criminals, you put them

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Speaker 1: out of criminals say, if you even smell the wrong way,

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Speaker 1: we're going to arrest you.

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Speaker 2: And lo and behold.

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Speaker 1: You've got situations like carjackings down eighty five percent, violent

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Speaker 1: murders down forty two percent. Excuse me, murders nothing after

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Speaker 1: he take over. Violent robberies down forty two, forty five percent.

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Speaker 2: All the numbers are like this.

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Speaker 1: President Trump talked about it in the Oval Office today.

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Speaker 3: Zero murders. It sounds sort of terrible to say, it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: I did this over the weekend. I'm making a speech

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Speaker 3: and I acted like I was so proud as I said,

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Speaker 3: we've had zero murders in the last week, and some

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Speaker 3: of these people were from foreign countries. They said, that

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Speaker 3: doesn't sound so good, and I said, well, it doesn't

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Speaker 3: sound good, but Washington was the most dangerous place in

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Speaker 3: this country, and now you know what, it's probably the

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Speaker 2: I think it is. And what President Trump has done,

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Speaker 2: I want you to consider this. Look at the border.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it took him, I would say days, but you

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Speaker 1: want to give President Trump a little leeway, maybe a

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Speaker 2: Now you see Washington, DC in ten.

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Speaker 1: Days, no murders and all the crime stats literally plummeting

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Speaker 1: in ten days. Do you know we have blue cities

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Speaker 1: across this country that are under the thumb of criminals.

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Speaker 1: They're basically being run by the goons, thugs and bruisers

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Speaker 1: In ten days, you could have it all fixed, and

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Speaker 1: you know what, lives would be saved because of it.

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Speaker 2: This is Jade Vance And.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize this that this town averaged one murder

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Speaker 4: every other day for the last twenty thirty years, which

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Speaker 4: means that in two short weeks, the President and the

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Speaker 4: team have saved six or seven lives, people who would

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Speaker 4: have been killed on the streets of DC, who are

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Speaker 4: now living, breathing, spending time with their families because the

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Speaker 4: President had the willpower to say no.

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Speaker 1: More this as you get dozens of shootings over the

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Speaker 1: weekend in a city like Chicago, Illinois. Now, the nice

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Speaker 1: thing about Washington, DC is it's under federal control. And

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Speaker 1: I say nice thing when President Trump's in office. Not

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Speaker 1: such a great thing when you have Joe Biden in

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Speaker 1: office and Democrats like Muriel Bowser running Washington, DC, or

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Speaker 1: Democrats like Mayor Johnson in Chicago. Nobody wants to do

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Speaker 1: anything in these blue cities.

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Speaker 2: So in DC you can send the troops in pretty easily.

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Speaker 1: President Trump jokes about sending the troops into Chicago.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't even think it's a joke. I think

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Speaker 1: And I think if President Trump can find a way

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Speaker 1: he can flood his own with his agents in DC.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll do it. Here's Trump again.

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Speaker 5: We may wait, we may or may not.

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Speaker 3: We may just go in and do it. Really what

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Speaker 3: we should do, the problem is It's not nice when

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Speaker 2: They need They.

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Speaker 3: Need help badly. Chicago desperately needs help.

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Speaker 2: You know who needs help.

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Speaker 1: The people of Chicago need help, and people like the

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Speaker 1: mayor of Chicago turn their back on them. You've got

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Speaker 2: Governor of Illinois literally turning.

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Speaker 1: Her back on the people of Chicago who need help

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Speaker 1: so much. This is her, Lieutenant Governor Stratton.

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Speaker 6: We have invested millions, tens of millions of dollars into

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Speaker 6: our communities for youth programs, for economic development, for violence prevention.

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Speaker 6: We have the Peacekeepers programs in partnership.

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Speaker 5: With the City of Chicago, where there's.

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Speaker 6: Direct on the street intervention. It is not by sending

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Speaker 1: Listen, I think the people of Chicago are most certainly

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Speaker 1: stop the gun firing, stop the looting, stop the robbery,

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Speaker 1: the people of Chicago don't want it roll cut nine.

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Speaker 7: I don't live far from here. I could walk here

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Speaker 2: It's very jarring.

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Speaker 7: And you know, this is becoming way too normal in

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Speaker 7: that doesn't matter when two people were killed next door

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Speaker 2: The people are hungry for it.

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Speaker 1: And yet Democrats are on such the wrong side of

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Speaker 1: I mean, they sound crazy when they talk about this

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Speaker 2: And a mother, a father.

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Speaker 1: A grand mother or father has to worry about their

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Speaker 1: in now, a thirty year law enforcement professional, veteran officer,

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Speaker 1: former police chief of the DC Capitol Police. I want

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Speaker 1: to welcome Chief Stephen Sound to the programs. Chiefs Son,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you on the program.

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Speaker 8: Thank you very much for having me on.

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Speaker 9: Besides Capitol Police, I was actually with the DC City

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Speaker 9: Police for twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: All right, so nobody knows this issue better than you.

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Speaker 1: Chief you're right there in the middle of it. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain the outrage on behalf of Democrat quote leadership,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it really makes no sense because they're not taking

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Speaker 9: any consideration for the people's lives or welfare into consideration,

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Speaker 9: not considering it. Schumer went on TV and said he

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Speaker 9: feels safe walking in DC. Well, of course he does.

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Speaker 9: He has a protective detail. I guarantee you he's not.

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Speaker 9: We're walking southeast or east of the river where we're

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Speaker 9: having some of these violent homicides, and you want to

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Speaker 9: so we've gone over the twelve day mark.

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Speaker 8: And you want to talk about carjackings.

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Speaker 9: We had four hundred and ninety seven carjackings in twenty

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Speaker 9: in proximately eleven days twelve days. That's phenomenal. Those are

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Speaker 9: supporting this, I have no idea. They are definitely on

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Speaker 1: All right, So, DC, like so many Blue cities, has

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Speaker 1: this no cash bail, no bail, no jail policies they sail.

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Speaker 1: This has been a big problem for not just DC,

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Speaker 1: but for many Blue cities.

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Speaker 2: President Trump is putting in place.

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Speaker 1: He's got some executive orders saying, hey, we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: away with this, hold back some federal funds if you

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Speaker 1: engage in these quote no cash bail policies. How much

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Speaker 1: does that hurt the city of DC and other cities

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Speaker 1: that engage in that behavior.

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Speaker 9: The putting that type of no cash bail in there.

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Speaker 9: They've let out and I was just looking at a

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Speaker 9: almost every single juvenile that has been involved in a

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Speaker 9: heinous crime since the Attorney General for Washington d C.

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Speaker 9: Brian Schwab, has been in place.

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Speaker 8: That's absurd.

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Speaker 9: So when they're letting them just walk out, if there's

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Speaker 5: Be a recidivous.

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Speaker 8: This is how you raise recidivius.

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Speaker 9: If there's no consequences for your actions, you're just going

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Speaker 9: when you have cashless bail. There's no consequence, there's there's

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Speaker 9: no reason, there's really nothing, you know, slapping this person

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Speaker 1: The gentleman you mentioned this Brian Schwab. He's one of

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors in d C. It's amazing. You have people

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Speaker 1: They're not even putting in in jail, which is what

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Speaker 1: really should happen. Let me play a clip from Stephen Miller,

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Speaker 1: controversy in here is rigging the system and the crime stats.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this.

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Speaker 10: We've uncovered and the process of uncovering a massive scandal

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Speaker 5: But when we ultimately share.

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Speaker 3: The results, it will it will stun you.

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Speaker 5: The extent to which even.

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Speaker 10: Though DC had the worst crime in America honestly measured,

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Speaker 10: it dramatically understated how bad it was. There's even accusations

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Speaker 2: Chief, I'll let you respond to that.

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Speaker 9: So people have to have confidence and the statistics they're

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Speaker 9: being they're being given. The problem with a lot of

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Speaker 9: which is a crime, crime at all, that that shouldn't

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Speaker 9: this may be something something even bigger than that. Again,

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Speaker 9: they need people have to have faith in these crime statistics.

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Speaker 9: If that's the case and they're under reporting crime, that's

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Speaker 9: that's a major major concern.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. I guess I'll ask you this

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Speaker 1: You read a major department like the Capitol Police, but

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Speaker 1: it gets to the point where the National Guard has

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Speaker 1: to be called in. A police officer friend of mine said,

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Speaker 1: what an embarrassment this is for the Washington Metro Police Department,

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Speaker 1: And I said, you know, it's not an embarrassment for

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's an embarrassment for administration inside

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Speaker 2: Would you agree on that.

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Speaker 9: I will say it's an absolute embarrassment for the mayor

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Speaker 9: and the city council. The police department has been allowed

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Speaker 9: to get to a fifty year staffing low. That's not

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Speaker 9: It's definitely not the rank and filement and women. It's

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Speaker 9: when they're making arrest there's community members that will come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chief Son, I appreciate you coming on. I know

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we'll get you soon.

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Speaker 1: I am sure. Look, we got to get it under control.

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Speaker 2: President Trump is proving that a speaking of a.

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Speaker 1: Remember Hargender Singh, this is the Indian illegal alien driving

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Speaker 2: This crash never needed to happen.

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Speaker 1: Moving on now to the other illegal alien, Abrego Garcia.

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Speaker 1: The Maryland man gets deported to El Salvador, they bring

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Speaker 2: They let him go with an ankle monitor.

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Speaker 1: Well, today he got arrested again and he may be

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Speaker 1: Now, why does he care if he pleads guilty to

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Speaker 2: We'll see will he get to stay.

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Speaker 1: The media everybody is going crazy on hoping they allow

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Speaker 11: There was no need for them to take him into

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we punish him. He's a criminal. Of course

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to bring in now Real America's

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Speaker 1: Voice Border correspondent Ben Berkwam, who is now back on

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Speaker 2: As I understand it, Ben, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 12: Many thank you, Grant.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and by the way, if I can just jump

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Speaker 1: It really is. Ben boggles the mind. But yet they

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Speaker 1: Here make it very hot, so it's harder to get over.

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Speaker 1: You interviewed Chief Stalkner, who's down in the San Diego area.

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Speaker 14: I believe that the American American public does not recognize

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Speaker 14: There's murderers, there's rapists, there's child molesters, there's individuals carrying weapons.

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Speaker 14: We're getting them off the streets. We're making America safer,

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Speaker 14: We're making our community safer, and we're gonna be unapologetic

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Speaker 1: Ben like Abraygo Garcia here trafficking people, beating up his wife.

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Speaker 12: Well, and that's why President Trump has so much support

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Speaker 13: This are lunatic leftists that hate this country. You have

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Speaker 13: and needs to be remade in their communists, globalist, godless, gee,

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Speaker 13: He's been in for twenty years, started in mal Center,

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Speaker 1: Now you've had an opportunity to take a little tour

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Speaker 15: So this tunnel, it's pretty significant. It stretched almost a

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Speaker 16: So it must be emphasized these tunnels are used for volume,

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Speaker 1: Ben Honestly, I'm surprised at how small the tunnels are.

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Speaker 13: Lance is the leader of that, And these guys are

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Speaker 12: Just give you an idea how secure this is.

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Speaker 13: I used to drive from here all the way to

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Speaker 1: has signed an executive order targeting flag bird. I'll be

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Speaker 1: intellectually honest. Here, is this constitutional? The Supreme Court already

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Speaker 1: said no. The President Trump makes some good points. We'll

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Speaker 1: go through them both sides here now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. If you're like me, I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: believe that the American flagacy.

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Speaker 1: It is one of the most important symbols of our

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Speaker 1: nation besides the Constitution and the Bible, and it should

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Speaker 1: be protected.

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Speaker 2: But how do we get there when.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court twice as ruled it's constitutionally protected speech to.

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Speaker 2: Burn the flag. I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: I think we need a constitutional amendment to outlaw burning

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Speaker 1: the flag, and I do believe that's what it would take.

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Speaker 1: President Trump is offered up this though he signed an

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Speaker 1: executive order.

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Speaker 2: So you get a year in jail role President Trump.

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Speaker 3: No early exits, no, nothing. You get one year in jail.

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Speaker 3: If you burn a flag, you get And what it

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Speaker 3: does is insight to write I hope they use that language.

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Speaker 3: By the way, did that insight to riot? And you

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Speaker 3: burn a flag, you get one year in jail. You

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Speaker 3: don't get ten years, you don't get one month. You

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Speaker 3: get one year in jail, and it goes on your record.

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Speaker 2: All right. So this with an executive order.

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Speaker 1: Now, I love the concept of it, and I like

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Speaker 1: President Trump attempting it, but I'm not sure he has

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Speaker 1: the ability to do this. I love the Constitution, you

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Speaker 1: know that's always going to be true to it. This

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Speaker 1: is what he wrote in his executive order. And he

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Speaker 1: makes a decent art here, tear out nine guys for me.

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Speaker 1: Please throw that up on the screen, and it reads

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Speaker 1: like this. Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's ruling on the First

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Speaker 1: Amendment protections, the Court has never held an American flag

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Speaker 1: desegration constructed in a manner that is likely to incite

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Speaker 1: imminent lawless action, or that is an action amounting to

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Speaker 1: fighting words is constitutionally protected.

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Speaker 2: Interesting argument.

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Speaker 1: I would also say this, if you're burning a flag

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Speaker 1: on the sidewalk, you should be instantly arrested for endangering

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Speaker 1: the lives of the public. Kids just burn stuff on

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Speaker 1: the sidewalk, but cops in blue cities don't arrest people

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Speaker 1: for that, So what about the legalities of all of this?

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Speaker 1: Of course, when I have real serious constitutional questions, I

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Speaker 1: go to my main man, Harvard Law professor emeritus and

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Speaker 1: author of the book. Which book are we talking? He's

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Speaker 1: got so many books. I want to bring in Alan Dershowitz,

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Speaker 1: the great professor, author of the book Preventative State. Professor Dershowitz,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the program.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 17: And in the Preventive State, I make the argument that

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Speaker 17: the First Amendment doesn't protect incitement to immediate violence. For example,

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Speaker 17: if somebody burned a Koran in front of a group

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Speaker 17: of radical Muslims and there were Jews standing nearby, and

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Speaker 17: they incited the Muslims to attack the Jews, that would

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Speaker 17: not be constitutionally protected. So if the burning of the

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Speaker 17: flag in sites fits the definition of Brandenburg immediate incitement,

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Speaker 17: it can be punished. Well, so you can't burn someone

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Speaker 17: else's flag, You can't burn a flag in a place

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Speaker 17: in which fire is prohibited. So what the President's executive

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Speaker 17: order does, and it's perfectly constitutional, perfectly legal, it directs

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Speaker 17: the Justice Department. He's entitled to do that he's the

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Speaker 17: chief law enforcement officer of the United States.

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Speaker 5: He's the head of the executive branch.

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Speaker 17: It says, if somebody burns a flag in a manner

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Speaker 17: that is not constitutionally protected, I want you to prosecute

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Speaker 17: it and get them a year in prison. He's entitled

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Speaker 17: to do that a constitution and he says explicitly if

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Speaker 17: the First Amendment protects it, then there's nothing we can

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Speaker 17: do short of a constitutional amendment.

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Speaker 1: All right, So this is not him making local law

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Speaker 1: because typically you think it's local police that are going

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Speaker 1: wing you to arrest these people. You're not going to

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Speaker 1: have a federal agent on every street corner in the country.

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Speaker 1: So the way you're describing it, it would have to

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Speaker 1: be a federally prosecuted crime then in order for it

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Speaker 1: to come from President Trump, Is that right, Professor.

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Speaker 17: Well, if it's in the district of Columbia, it could

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Speaker 17: be federally prosecuted. If it's at a federal courthouse, it

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Speaker 17: could be federally prosecuted. In many of the flag burnings

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Speaker 17: are on federal property because people who burn the flags

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Speaker 17: are often directing their advocacy towards the federal government. You know,

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Speaker 17: with justice Brennan, one of the liberal justices in our history,

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Speaker 17: once said said it publicly.

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Speaker 5: He said it to me once too, so I can

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Speaker 5: quote it directly.

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Speaker 17: He said, if I ever saw somebody burning a flag,

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Speaker 17: I would do two things. I would protect this constitutional right,

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Speaker 17: and then I punch him in the mouth for his

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Speaker 17: lack of patriotism.

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Speaker 5: So, first of all, let's not make heroes out of flagmurners.

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Speaker 17: Flag burners are despicable people, just like people who would

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Speaker 17: burn the Quran, who would burn the Torah, who would

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Speaker 17: burn any other great symbol, are despicable people. Now, their

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Speaker 17: rights may be constitutionally protected if they do it to

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Speaker 17: their own Torah, their own Qoran, their own flag, but

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Speaker 17: once they step outside the bubble of constitutional.

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Speaker 5: Protection, it is fair game to prosecute them.

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Speaker 17: Put it in another way, the fact that they burn the

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Speaker 17: flag doesn't insitulate them from prosecution for violating other laws

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Speaker 17: about burning things in public, taking other people's property, etc.

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Speaker 17: So what the President did was simply instruct the Justice

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Speaker 17: Department to cooperate with local law enforcement when that's proper,

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Speaker 17: or with national law enforcement when that's proper, and.

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Speaker 5: Apply the law to the limits.

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Speaker 17: That it's applicable under the First Amendment, but he's not

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Speaker 17: asking anybody to violate the First Amendment.

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Speaker 1: And here I'm not even playing Devil's advocate, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask some serious questions because I'm always concerned

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Speaker 1: about who's the decider who decides that this is an

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Speaker 1: action that will incite violence. If I got Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: deciding my speech on this program, I'm sure he's going

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Speaker 1: to have a different say than many of the people watching.

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Speaker 2: So I'm worried about that. And then there's social media.

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Speaker 1: If you burn a flag in your backyard on social

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Speaker 1: media and taunt Great American patriots.

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Speaker 2: With it, would that count as inciting violence?

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Speaker 17: Well, I think the Supreme Court is going to have

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Speaker 17: to reconsider the Brandenburg case in light of social media.

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Speaker 17: For example, if a Jewish person, a radical Jewish person,

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Speaker 17: or to burn a Koran on national on the Internet

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Speaker 17: and that caused tremendous violence even though he didn't burn

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Speaker 17: it in front of anybody, I suspect the Supreme Court

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Speaker 17: would reconsider branden Berg and say that's enough to prosecute

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Speaker 17: that person. So I think we're going to see a

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Speaker 17: change in the law and light of social media because

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Speaker 17: a lot of the incitement, A lot of the worst

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Speaker 17: anti Semitic incitement occurs on social media. And so if

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Speaker 17: you get a Muslim extremist who burns a torah, a

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Speaker 17: Jewish torah on television and that results in Muslim radicals

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Speaker 17: attacking a synagogue, I think the Supreme Court will say.

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Speaker 5: He could be prosecuted for that. So I think we're

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Speaker 5: in a state of flux.

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Speaker 17: When it comes to the relationship between the First Amendment,

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Speaker 17: the Internet, and important symbols like the flag, the torah,

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Speaker 17: the quron, et cetera. I think we're in the state

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Speaker 17: of nobody can predict what the outcome would be.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because you know, the left will say, oh,

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Speaker 1: President Trump's so prolific with executive orders, but you know

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Speaker 1: the way he does when he wants to get cities

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Speaker 1: to comply, he threatens holding back federal money from them,

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Speaker 1: which I believe the president can do some of these

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Speaker 1: others on the face and you say, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: look he's just making law from the Oval Office. But

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Speaker 1: you're explaining, which is so great while I have you on, professor,

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Speaker 1: is he's directing the Justice Department how to proceed. You

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Speaker 1: made me feel a lot better about this executive order,

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Speaker 1: and I would imagine a leftal challenge it. I imagine

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Speaker 1: it goes to the Supreme Court if they make it

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Speaker 1: that far, and maybe that's a good thing.

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Speaker 17: It is a good thing, and I think the Supreme

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Speaker 17: Court will have to reconsider its concept of immediate incitement

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Speaker 17: in light of the way in which we.

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Speaker 5: Know incitement now works with the Internet.

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Speaker 17: You don't have to be face to face with somebody

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Speaker 17: to incite them, and there are cases along those lines.

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Speaker 17: People have been arrested for inciting suicide over the internet,

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Speaker 17: for inciting bullying.

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Speaker 5: So I think we're going to see a.

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Speaker 17: Change in the approach to incitement and free speech. Will

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Speaker 17: it be good for freedom of speech, will be good

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Speaker 17: for the First Amendment.

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Speaker 5: Reasonable people could disagree about that.

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Speaker 17: But the one thing that President Trump does all the time,

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Speaker 17: he is the most provocative president in history. He provokes discussion.

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Speaker 17: He would have been a great law professor. What I

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Speaker 17: did for fifty years at Harvard was exactly what he's

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Speaker 17: doing on a smaller scale. I always provoke discussion, get

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Speaker 17: people talking, then in the end you can resolve it.

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Speaker 17: But he's provoked discussion about universities, about museums, which is

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Speaker 17: a very good thing, as museums have turned into many

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Speaker 17: of them left wing propaganda mills. He's provoked discussion about

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Speaker 17: the Kennedy Center and about the way the arts are used. Again,

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Speaker 17: we don't know what the answers will be, but I'm

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Speaker 17: very glad these discussions are taking place, and so thank

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Speaker 17: you President Trump for being a great teacher, a teacher

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Speaker 17: like Socrates who provokes discussion. He didn't end up all

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Speaker 17: that well, and I think President Trump will end up

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Speaker 17: better than Socrates. But he is using the Socratic method,

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Speaker 17: that is, he's provoking in order to get discussion going.

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Speaker 5: And these discussions have been very healthy for democracy.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the one thing I believe a difference between conservatives

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Speaker 1: and liberals today we are fully willing to have discussions

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Speaker 1: and argue them in a reasonable way.

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Speaker 2: The left doesn't like to do that. They want their

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Speaker 2: way by the highway.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you on all of this, Professor, that's

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Speaker 1: a great conversation, and I appreciate you coming on today

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Speaker 1: as leads.

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Speaker 5: I need to say one thing, it's not liberals.

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Speaker 17: I'm a liberal, it's radicals, liberals and conservative.

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Speaker 2: You're not a liberal anymore. Professor stations.

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Speaker 5: What I hate are the radicals on both sides.

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Speaker 17: So if liberals and conservatives get together and talk, I

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Speaker 17: think we can talk very rationally.

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Speaker 1: I have said the old fashioned Texas Democrat, maybe I'd

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Speaker 1: put you in that, but you're not.

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Speaker 2: One to today's liberals, Professor. You know I always tell

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Speaker 2: you that.

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Speaker 1: I know maybe you wish you were, but you're you're

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Speaker 1: becoming more and more conservative radical like me, a right

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Speaker 1: wing extremists. Professor. I'm teazing you. Thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: up than you. Absolutely I love having him on and

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Speaker 1: it's it's fabulous. So President Trump, way to go. This

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Speaker 1: is a great executive order. My mind is now at ease.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, gay marriage is now going before the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Is this good for conservatives right now? I'm a constitutionalist.

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Speaker 1: I like the idea, but I don't know about the

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Speaker 1: politics of it all. We'll talk about that next. Well, folks,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court made it legal to get married if

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Speaker 1: you are gay.

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Speaker 2: Well, that now is being challenged by Kim Davis. You

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Speaker 2: remember her. She was the Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Clerk who refused to give a marriage life to a

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Speaker 1: gay couple. Well, she was fined three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, including the legal fees for those that went

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Speaker 1: after her. She wants those fines overturned, and she's asking

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to overturn its decision that legalized gay marriage.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I'm a little concerned about

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Speaker 1: the politics of this very sensitive election coming up what happens.

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Speaker 1: But let's be clear. Nothing happened virtually in Roe v. Wade,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know. We'll see what happens. But what

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Speaker 1: are the merits of this case I want to bring

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Speaker 1: in now to discuss. Liberty Council founder and chairman, lead

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Speaker 1: counsel for Kim Davis, Matt Staver is with us. Matt,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, overturning this decision of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: is the ultimate goal. What are the legal arguments that

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Speaker 1: you could now present to the Supreme Court that would

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Speaker 1: get them to change their change their mind.

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Speaker 18: Well, we have two main issues before the United States

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Speaker 18: Supreme Court. This case has been going on for ten years,

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Speaker 18: since twenty fifteen. It just so happens that it now

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Speaker 18: makes its way to the United States Supreme Court. So

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Speaker 18: we'll know sometime late October early November the court's decision

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Speaker 18: whether to take it. But the two issues are. Number One,

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Speaker 18: Kim Davis should have the First Amendment for exercise of

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Speaker 18: religion as an absolute defense in her case. She asked

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Speaker 18: for an accommodation, and frankly, she got it as early

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Speaker 18: as September after this whole case began in July, and

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Speaker 18: she also got it then by executive order with the

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Speaker 18: new governor, Matt Bevans, and then by a unanimously passed

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Speaker 18: statute that was passed in April of twenty sixteen. So

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Speaker 18: it was a very simple fixed take her name off

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Speaker 18: the license.

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Speaker 8: That's all she requested. That's number one.

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Speaker 18: Number two is a Burgerfel should be overturned, and we

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Speaker 18: need four justices to take the case, obviously five to win.

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Speaker 18: We have three justices who were very strong dissenters in

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Speaker 18: the twenty fifteen at Bergerfel, and that includes the Chief

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Speaker 18: Justice John Robert.

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Speaker 8: He used a term called five lawyers.

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Speaker 18: He called them five lawyers imposed their own will, not

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Speaker 18: a legal judgment, had nothing to do with the Constitution,

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Speaker 18: and he only read one descent from the bench during

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Speaker 18: his entire term. And it's this one. He never read

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Speaker 18: a descent before, he never read a descent after. He

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Speaker 18: read his descent from the bench to show his absolute

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Speaker 18: opposition to this opinion. So we have three of those justices,

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Speaker 18: including Justice Thomas.

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Speaker 8: And Elito, and then of course the Chief. And then

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Speaker 8: we also have other justices.

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Speaker 18: Like Gorshots, for example in Dobbs, who said that when

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Speaker 18: the Constitution is silent, as in the issue of abortion,

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Speaker 18: the Court ought to remain neutral. Well, the Constitution is

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Speaker 18: silent as relates to marriage in general, and certainly same

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Speaker 18: sex marriage in particular, and therefore the Court ought to

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Speaker 18: remain neutral, and it ought to go back to the

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Speaker 18: States as it was before June twenty sixth, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 18: That's what we're arguing the High Court.

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Speaker 1: The argument then is basically the Roe v. Wade argument.

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Speaker 1: That is, it should be left up to the states.

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Speaker 1: It's not the federal government's way to rule on it

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. Let the states figure this out.

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Speaker 1: Is that as simple as it gets.

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Speaker 8: That's as simple as it gets.

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Speaker 18: And you know, the Respect for Marriage Act that was

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Speaker 18: passed a few years ago actually sort of grandfathers if

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Speaker 18: you will, in those people who have marriage licenses, So

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Speaker 18: anyone who has a marriage license between two people of

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Speaker 18: the same sex, they will not be affected by overturning

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Speaker 18: this decision.

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Speaker 8: Well, what happened is the same kind of thing that

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Speaker 8: happened in road. Those states that have constitutional.

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Speaker 18: Amendments and over thirty do that have never been repealed yet,

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Speaker 18: and others have state laws that say marriage is the

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Speaker 18: union of a man and a woman. Those laws would

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Speaker 18: come back into effect, and those states then would be

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Speaker 18: addressing whether or not going forward they want to make

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Speaker 18: a change, Just like in the area.

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Speaker 8: Post Dobbs with regards to abortion, it ought to go

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Speaker 8: back to this states.

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Speaker 18: Marriage has never been an issue for regulation at the

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Speaker 18: high court level, and therefore it ought to go back

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Speaker 18: to the states where it has been up until June

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Speaker 18: twenty six, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Well, this all makes tremendous sense to me when you

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Speaker 1: talk about it going back to a state level. The

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Speaker 1: problem is the left will weaponize this and already are

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Speaker 1: You've got Hillary Clinton out there pounding the drum saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're never going to get married again. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: is going to overturn this, go get married. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: just not the case. If you live in a state

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Speaker 1: that supports this, you'll be able to get married. If

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Speaker 1: you live in a state like where I do, Texas,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to be But we're free to live

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Speaker 1: in whatever state we want to live in in America.

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Speaker 18: That's exactly right. It's going to be a state's rights issue,

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Speaker 18: as it always has been. In fact, even before the

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Speaker 18: Supreme Court opinion, one state may have a certain age

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Speaker 18: requirement or certain sanguinity requirement in terms of how close

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Speaker 18: you can be related to someone before you are able

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Speaker 18: to get married. So that was always a state regulation issue,

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Speaker 18: and this ought to be as well. And we survived

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Speaker 18: pretty well before that, and certainly we even had one

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Speaker 18: state like Massachusetts, even before a bergafell through their state

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Speaker 18: supreme judicial court go towards same sex marriage. So it's

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Speaker 18: going to be back to the individual states where it

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Speaker 18: should be. And the fact of the matter is, this

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Speaker 18: does exceptional damage to the Constitution to invent a right

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Speaker 18: that doesn't exist. I mean, it is so far worse

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Speaker 18: than even Row versus Way, because it went far beyond

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Speaker 18: the now discredited so called substance a due process that

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Speaker 18: was the basis of Roe, for which the Supreme Court

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Speaker 18: overturned it.

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Speaker 8: They didn't even pretend to use any kind of test.

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Speaker 8: They just did it.

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Speaker 18: And that's why Chief Justice John Roberts was so angry,

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Speaker 18: and he read his dissent from the bench.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, if you've already got him on your side,

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Speaker 1: you got a pretty good chance of getting this through

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Speaker 1: because he'd be one that I would think may waffle

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Speaker 1: on something like this.

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Speaker 2: So already moving through. I'll make a prediction.

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Speaker 1: You got a slam dunk with getting Kim Davis her

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Speaker 1: fines and legal fees back. This is an outrage. These

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Speaker 1: people could have gotten married and just taken her name

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Speaker 1: off the list. Everything was remedied. There's no reason that

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Speaker 1: she should have to pay all of this money. Slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. Would the other be fascinating

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Speaker 1: to watch this case move through? Please keep us posted

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate your insight and help with all of this.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you, good being with you.

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Speaker 2: All right, absolutely, Matt's Davis.

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Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next, folks, All your health problems

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Speaker 1: could be linked to the same issue. Talk about that next.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone. Imagine if all of your symptoms, all

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Speaker 1: your problems were connected to one thing.

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Speaker 2: Watch this.

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Speaker 19: I had no sludge blood during my blood work. My

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Speaker 19: hairdresser commented how soft my hair was. I have nails.

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Speaker 8: I've been a nail bier.

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Speaker 19: I have so much trauma as a kid, I've always

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Speaker 19: been in it. I have nails and they're strong. This

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Speaker 19: has been amazing, life changing everything.

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Speaker 20: So happy for you, So happy for You're a rockstar.

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Speaker 5: The joy on your face when you're sharing I love.

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Speaker 19: I'm off my anxiety man. So and my therapist like,

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Speaker 19: you don't need to come anymore. So I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 19: it's just been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Happy for you. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's all about intercellular hydration, getting hydrated at a

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Speaker 1: cellular level. You know when we talk about this, you

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Speaker 1: know that I love to bring in my friend John

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Speaker 1: ju Believe, the founder of Energized Health.

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Speaker 2: John. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Hey, great, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's great to see you and my friends. So everything connected.

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Speaker 2: Hi explain this.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, Grant, you know how joyful is that here's a

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Speaker 20: here's a young woman yellow anxiety for her whole life.

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Speaker 20: She's dealing with sledge blood, she's on med, she's going

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Speaker 20: to a therapist, and all we did was helped her

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Speaker 20: go to the root cause and reverse the dehydration that

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Speaker 20: was in her cells in her body. Her blood got healthy,

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Speaker 20: her mind got healthy. And imagine your therapist telling you

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Speaker 20: you don't even need to come anymore, and I'm canceling

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Speaker 20: your prescription from here on out. You're that healthy. That's

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Speaker 20: great news.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: So I know you've got a masterclass at Energized Health

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's Energized Health dot com. I urge people

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Speaker 1: to go to go watch it. And this is a

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Speaker 1: science backed protocol. It's not just about pounding water, correct, John.

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Speaker 20: Well, this is completely Yeah, it's a scientific protocol. I

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Speaker 20: wish we could just pound water. Wouldn't that be easy

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Speaker 20: for all of us? But Grant, I think everybody that

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Speaker 20: is watching this show right now, we've all been and

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Speaker 20: more water for ten years.

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Speaker 5: And how's that working for us. We're still fatter.

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Speaker 20: Than we've ever been, We're sicker than we've ever been,

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Speaker 20: We're on more medication than we've ever been on in.

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Speaker 5: The history of the world.

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Speaker 20: Grant and people have been talking hydration for at least

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Speaker 20: a decade. So it's not about hydration, guys, it's intracellular hydration.

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Speaker 20: There is a scientific process to get the hydration in

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Speaker 20: the cells. And that's what we've been teaching for twenty

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Speaker 20: eight years. Got to get it inside the cell. That

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we are back in a flash with

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Speaker 1: soy boys. Zohan RAMDRANI. Welcome back everyone. H the man

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Speaker 2: You gotta hear him.

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Speaker 1: Yelling at screaming for Zohan. Mam Donnie the potential mayor

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Speaker 1: of New York. He bench presses. They're saying one thirty

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Speaker 2: That's lame. Now, I'm not gonna lie today at the gym.

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Speaker 1: Two forty five pound plates on each side, and I

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Speaker 1: wrap that out fifteen times, okay, two twenty five, fifteen times,

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Speaker 1: Mam Donnie gets maybe one thirty five twice.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna do it for us.