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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Hello, will see how you doing today? It's dude,

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Speaker 1: good doing, really good. A little yeah, a little brighter yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and then they use it for a little while and

425
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Speaker 1: they just shut up about it and go on playing. Right,

426
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Speaker 1: It takes time. You can see that. When you watch

427
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Speaker 1: the old hockey games, you're like, wow, nobody's wearing a mask,

428
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Speaker 1: nobody's wearing a face shield, nothing, you know, Yeah, and

429
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Speaker 1: you think, wow, what are they nuts? Yeah? Right? Or

430
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Speaker 1: what is he loses his helmet? Where is I don't

431
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Speaker 1: see it laying on the ice, right, But think about

432
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Speaker 1: this too, Murph, And this is something and they got

433
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Speaker 1: to think about this. It's not nothing. But is there

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Speaker 1: some other inherent risk by putting a mask all the

435
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Speaker 1: way inside there? Whatever? It looks like, I don't even know.

436
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Speaker 1: But they don't want to do anything that will further

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Speaker 1: endanger them in another way. Right, So, like, for instance,

438
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if something happens now the guy

439
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Speaker 1: can't see right, or something around that nature, or if

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Speaker 1: if if they've guy's got a neck injury, they got

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Speaker 1: to be able to see his whole face to make

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Speaker 1: sure he hasn't you know, broken his jaw or you know,

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Speaker 1: swallowed his tongue or you know what I mean, or

444
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: gotten his eye poked out. If the guys if guys

445
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Speaker 1: are unconscious or whatever. So there's a lot of things

446
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Speaker 1: that and certainly those are rare and things, but they

447
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Speaker 1: don't want to change the helmets in such a way

448
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Speaker 1: that some other risk pops up that they can't foresee.

449
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Speaker 1: And I've said it a million times. The league is

450
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Speaker 1: all about unintended consequences. They don't want to go down

451
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Speaker 1: that road that where they get caught not thinking about something.

452
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Speaker 1: So these masks have to cover and check a lot

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Speaker 1: of boxes before they'll be accepted as being safe enough

454
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Speaker 1: without adding any risk to the equation, just in the

455
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Speaker 1: developmental stage. With that, we'll see where it goes. This

456
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Speaker 1: is going on today actually the NFL is. The NFL

457
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: meetings start today, a virtual league meeting starts today. Among

458
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Speaker 1: other things discussed are going to be an amendment to

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Speaker 1: the Rooney rule. Now we talked about it, you and

460
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Speaker 1: I talked about it yesterday's Steve about using draft picks

461
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Speaker 1: to incentivize teams to hire minority candidates as head coach

462
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Speaker 1: and general manager. There's more two it than that, and

463
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Speaker 1: it came out last night last night. Obviously that the

464
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Speaker 1: incentivization will still be there, but they're talking about changing

465
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Speaker 1: the rule so that you know teams are rewarded for

466
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Speaker 1: interviewing minorities. The league will require teams to interview at

467
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Speaker 1: least two minority candidates instead of one from outside the organization.

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Speaker 1: At least one minority candidate must be interviewed for a

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Speaker 1: coordinator spot. It's just strengthening it. And you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: see what gets passed by the League. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be some discussion of the

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Speaker 1: Rooney rule. That's all fund fund falls under the the

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Speaker 1: purview of the Rooney rule, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they'll get it right. We'll see. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to force I do think we talked about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It seems artificial to award draft picks for somebody who

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Speaker 1: hires that minority candidate, and maybe that's not what they

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Speaker 1: want to do. And there was I think it was

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Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick I read this morning talking about how that

480
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Speaker 1: really is not what we're looking for here, not what

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Speaker 1: anybody's looking for. Lewis Riddick, by the way, you interviewed

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Speaker 1: for the Giants general manager job not long ago. But

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Speaker 1: if there's a better way to get minorities in front

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Speaker 1: of owners. You know, they're talking part of the rules,

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Speaker 1: you have them come to the Senior Bowl coaching candidates

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Speaker 1: and have them meet with owners at the Senior Bowl

487
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Speaker 1: and in the month of January. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different things they can do, and I applaud

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Speaker 1: the league for We talked about this a little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But they're trying to fix it. And some of these

491
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Speaker 1: fixes may not be what we're looking for, may not

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Speaker 1: be what the actual minority candidates you're looking for, but

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Speaker 1: they're definitely working on it, trying to fix it, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. Right. Yeah, all you

495
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Speaker 1: can say is I'm glad they're doing something right. And

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, ask the right people for help,

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Speaker 1: and then do what the experts say, you know, do it,

498
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Speaker 1: don't you don't shy away from it. Just make the

499
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Speaker 1: changes that make a lot of sense and stick with it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of my thought about it. I just do,

501
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, do what makes a lot of sense and

502
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Speaker 1: stick with what the experts say you should do. Well.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about it this week on the virtual meetings

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Speaker 1: at the for the NFL owners, and if there's news

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Speaker 1: about that, we'll let you know what they decide. All right,

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Speaker 1: We're just getting started here. We got a good show

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Speaker 1: coming up at one o'clock. Maurice Jones, drew perennial Pro

508
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Speaker 1: Bowl running back for Jacksonville and the Raiders. He's joining

509
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Speaker 1: us at one. He is now an NFL Network analyst.

510
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Speaker 1: Jared Fell from USA today is going to join us

511
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Speaker 1: at two, and coming up next former Bills linebacker Daryl Talley.

512
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Speaker 1: We'll talk Eza walla famer. We're gonna talk with him

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Speaker 1: about his former teammate Ben Williams, who passed away yesterday.

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Speaker 1: All of that coming up when we return. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us here at three one Bills Line presented about

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Speaker 1: Collida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, one

517
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Speaker 1: of those live John Murphy's Steave Tasker here until three

518
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Speaker 1: o'clock today. The sad news. Yesterday, the former Bills defensive

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Speaker 1: end Ben Williams passed away from natural causes. He was

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Speaker 1: sixty five years old. Mainstay on Buffalo's defensive line for

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Speaker 1: ten seasons. We got a former teammate of Ben Williams

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Speaker 1: on the line with us now. Former Bills linebacker Darryl

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Speaker 1: Talley played with the Bills from nineteen eighty three through

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, may two Pro Bowl appearances of his own.

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Speaker 1: He's a member of the Bills Wall of Fame. Darryl

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Speaker 1: Talley joins us. Hello, Daryl John Murphy steave task up

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Speaker 1: from Buffalo. How you doing. How are you guys doing today?

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Speaker 1: Welling good, doing good? Darryl has good to have you on.

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Speaker 1: I gotta give us. We had you on because you

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Speaker 1: played with Ben Williams. He passed away yesterday. And what

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Speaker 1: are your remembrances about Ben? What he was a veteran

532
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Speaker 1: when you showed up in eighty three. Tell us about

533
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Speaker 1: how he handled you and your interactions with him as

534
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Speaker 1: a rookie. That is exactly what he did. He handled

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Speaker 1: me Ben. Ben Williams, Sherman White and Phil Pilipiano were

536
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Speaker 1: the three that essentially got their hands on me. And

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Speaker 1: what Benny told me was evenly said, look there, you

538
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Speaker 1: got to go out into the city and learn what

539
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Speaker 1: the city is about. Come on, he wanted me to

540
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Speaker 1: go downtown when he took us down the Rick women

541
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Speaker 1: Leaves barbershop down there, and then he took everybody to gigs,

542
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Speaker 1: so they got to go eat soul food downtown, and

543
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Speaker 1: he wanted you to get to know the people of

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Speaker 1: the city you were playing for, because he felt that

545
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Speaker 1: that would give you a little bit more how would

546
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Speaker 1: you say, a little bit more feeling or belonging there,

547
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Speaker 1: because you've got to meet some of the people in

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Speaker 1: the city. You've got to understand how they feel and

549
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Speaker 1: what they're seeing. And didn't work. It worked, Yeah, it worked,

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Speaker 1: It worked. It worked well for us. I mean we

551
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Speaker 1: sort of got together. We went down to Jerry Butler's

552
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Speaker 1: place because Jerry Butler had a bar in town, restaurant

553
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Speaker 1: and bar, so we went down there. We maybe with

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Speaker 1: the people in the city, so we really made ourselves

555
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Speaker 1: a part of the city. Instead of like a lot

556
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: of guys try and separate themselves from the game and

557
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: from the city and just isolate themselves. We didn't do that.

558
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: We went out and became part of the city and

559
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Speaker 1: tried to how would you say, and doctorated ourselves to

560
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Speaker 1: the city to learn it, learn what the people were

561
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Speaker 1: about and how they were Why do you think that

562
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: was important to Ben Williams Darrel did he ever say

563
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: sense a family sense, a family togetherness? And he felt

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Speaker 1: that if everybody was pulling our rope the same way.

565
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Speaker 1: It's all going to be pulling. We're gonna go in

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Speaker 1: one direction. We're not going to go in three other

567
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Speaker 1: different directions. If we're all pulling the same way on

568
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Speaker 1: that same rope, why did they call him gentle Ben, Because,

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, Judy looked at you, and he

570
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: looked If you looked at Ben, you would say he

571
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: wasn't that great. He even looked like he was a

572
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Speaker 1: great asslet. But he hits you with didn't didn't hands

573
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Speaker 1: to use, and grab you with him like a grizzly

574
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: bear grabbing you. He hit you, slap you upside the

575
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: head and you could do that back there. He'd slap you,

576
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: grab your wrist, pull your arms down, pull you to

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Speaker 1: the ground by just your horns. Yeah, he had a

578
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Speaker 1: whole lot of tricks. He was a really tricky character.

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Speaker 1: He's really crappy. With Darryl Talley, former Bills linebacker, former

580
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Speaker 1: teammate of Ben Williams and Darrel I was trying to

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Speaker 1: I was talking to Steve earlier this hour about Ben

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Speaker 1: Williams and you said that you know, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't fat, but he was he was

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Speaker 1: kind of rounded. You know, he wasn't cut, he wasn't spelled,

585
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: and he played you know the you were. You came

586
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Speaker 1: into the NFL on that defense, which is a strict

587
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: three four defense, right, it was a lot different than

588
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: three four defenses that are even played today. No, yeah,

589
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: it's completely different. But the way did Ben use his hands.

590
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: He used his hands as if he was Bruce Lee.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's the way he used a tile fritz

592
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Speaker 1: of Lyman t Hanza and get him off of him.

593
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Speaker 1: And that was the thing that he is still didn't Bruce.

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Speaker 1: As long as they can't hold you, they can't stop him.

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Speaker 1: And he was what did Daryl? And not for nothing?

596
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: But Ben Williams was the first African American football player

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Speaker 1: at Old Miss um. Yes and he all and he

598
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Speaker 1: got drafted in the first round. Did he ever talk

599
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Speaker 1: about that experience there? Uh no, he got drafted in

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Speaker 1: the third round. I say came. He was the first

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Speaker 1: African American drafted out of Old Miss. For he was

602
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Speaker 1: the first black person drafted out of Old Miss And

603
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Speaker 1: Sherman White was the first black guy drafted out of

604
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Speaker 1: cal Berken. So yeah, I had two guys that were

605
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: the first to doing things, and he said, you know,

606
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: back in the day it was it wasn't all roses

607
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: and old miss He said, you know, there was a

608
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Speaker 1: lot of different issues that he had to deal with,

609
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: and being a large black man, he's gonna come up with,

610
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: come come up against this problems. So, yeah, showed us

611
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: how to deal with a lot of that we would

612
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: be facing. Taught us how to circumvent them and just

613
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: cut them off, and how to walk away from people

614
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: and not get into altercations with them. Yeah, this issue,

615
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: this issue still comes up in Relationshi, we just talked

616
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: about it before you came on. The league is changing

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Speaker 1: the rules to make sure that black guys, black coaches

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Speaker 1: have a chance to advance to coordinators, to head coaches,

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Speaker 1: to gms. What do you think about the strides the

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Speaker 1: NFL is at least trying to make and where they've

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Speaker 1: come from. I'm exceptually proud of them for what they're

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Speaker 1: doing and how they're trying to do it. Just on

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Speaker 1: she's been around when I was there, That's all. But

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Speaker 1: you know, things things come with time, and everything over

625
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: time gets better. It doesn't always get worse. Sometimes things

626
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: get better. And the NFL's trying to show that they

627
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Speaker 1: can do that. They put their best foot forward and

628
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of different things. Looks like with them

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Speaker 1: trying to go back in and hope some of the

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Speaker 1: pre ninety three guys when they're doing a collective bargaining,

631
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: they're trying to show guys that, hey, look, we appreciate

632
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: what you did, and guys are you know, some guys

633
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: are a little better about it because of the way

634
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 1: it was when they played, But now that they've seated,

635
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the NFL's actually trying to do things and doing things

636
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: for the better, guys are starting to come around. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's a huge thing for us being players,

638
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: because if we can't talk to each other and learn

639
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: what's going on with each other from each other, then

640
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: who else are we going to turn to? Rely with

641
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Darryl Tatley, former Bills linebacker, Hey, Daryl, I know you

642
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: do follow the team pretty closely, and we've been pretty

643
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: amazing the last couple of months this offseason, since the draft,

644
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: since free agency. The expectations for your former team here,

645
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: many people think the Bills are all set up to

646
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: win the AFC East Division for the first time since

647
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: the mid nineties. That are you following that, what do

648
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: you think of all that? No doubt, no doubt. I honestly,

649
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: here's one thing I can say. When I first met

650
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean and had a conversation with him in the hallway,

651
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: I asked him a few questions. The man has done

652
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: everything he said he was going to do to the letter.

653
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: And I mean, it was funny. It's funny to see

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00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: it come to fulition. But yes, he has done exactly

655
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: what he said he was going to do when I

656
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: talked to him. So my hand, I put my hands up,

657
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: and I say, let's get on board, boys and following

658
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: because the guys, he's got a good plan. What kind

659
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: of things was he talking about? What kind of things

660
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: did he tell you he he was going to do? Well?

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Speaker 1: You know, because I was asking questions. I asked. I said,

662
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna need some guys at the next level. We're

663
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna need a guy at the first level. We need

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys at the second level. I mean,

665
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: because we went on got a quarterback and we got

666
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Speaker 1: a running back. And I told him, I just told

667
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Speaker 1: him what I thought i'd seen at the squad when

668
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: I seen it, and I said, what are you gonna do.

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Speaker 1: He said, we got our eye on the order back

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Speaker 1: up Poss, Josh Shallon, Den Ups, pops At, Oliver, Tremaine,

671
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: and you know and me. So you know, those guys,

672
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: they already had a good secondary. Now they've got two

673
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: guys at the second level that can really help them,

674
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: and now they're adding to the front. So yeah, I

675
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: think they got a top five defense and with the

676
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: maturity of their offense, with the new addition to Gage,

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Speaker 1: I think that they have got a real good chance.

678
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: They got a real good chance to play good special teams.

679
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: And that's all you got to do. That's what we

680
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: How good? How three phases? How good are the lineback?

681
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Is a linebacking corps for the Bills. I mean, we've

682
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: talked about how maybe they need some depth, but by

683
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: the same token, they only played two of them at

684
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: a time. Now they go two or three defense, and

685
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: then the third linebacker is always a safety or a dB.

686
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: You got like Tremaine on the field, and you got

687
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Matt Milano on the field, and you know, how, what

688
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: do you think about that evolution of the game. I

689
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: think that those two guys can play very very well.

690
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I think that I would use my hands a little

691
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: more and be a little more aggressive that way. But

692
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, the guys are playing especially well, man. I

693
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: mean when Milano was a surprise, nobody expected that one,

694
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't think. And then to watch him play the

695
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: way he's played, he's played very well. And Trumaine has

696
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: just turned out to be a beast. Now it's when

697
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna when he decide that he decided to do

698
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: it some last year. Now I said this year, maybe

699
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: next year he'll turn the switch and just really start

700
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: to explode because he's got he's got so much speed

701
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: and size. The guys six five and he's two fifty

702
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: and he runs four five in open field and can cut. Yeah,

703
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: this is going to be a beast. And Daryl, normally

704
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: we'd know at least by now we're a schedule out.

705
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: You know which weekend is likely to be the Legends weekend.

706
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: It's this is the kind of season that you like,

707
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: Like any Bills fan is gonna want to see some games.

708
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of the driving you nuts, not knowing when

709
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to get up here and see

710
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: some Bills games. At this point, anyone trust is driving

711
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: the nuts knowing that there's there's no sports going on period.

712
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: Everybody's sitting there looking at each other, going, okay, there's

713
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: only so much. So many times you can watch Netflix

714
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: and Hulu, right did. Like playing a game and like competing,

715
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: you want to have somebody to compete against or watch

716
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: somebody compete at a high level, and there's there's nobody

717
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: to do it, or you can watch your own reruns.

718
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: And games are like that. But when watching knows, all

719
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: you do is start picking those aparties to what plays

720
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: a really good any what a guy gave me, what

721
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: he didn't do, start almost like watching games come to me. Yeah, Darrell,

722
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: see you've seen you know the Bills drafted their guys

723
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: this year started with a j up and as they

724
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: got Zact Moss the running back, a couple of wide receivers.

725
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: What do you think about the draft picks, the new

726
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: additions and how that's going to affect the team? What

727
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: you just what are your expectations? Maybe not, you know,

728
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: in the in the small picture of who's gonna contribute

729
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot like Stefon Diggs and then also how far

730
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: can this team go? I honestly, I think they've got

731
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: with their defense, they got a chance. They're not out

732
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: of any football game. As long as they played great

733
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: special teams. They got a chance. And they got to

734
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: start using their number one weapon, the weather in Buffalo

735
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: to beat people up. They got to get used to that,

736
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: understand it, learn how to play in it, and then

737
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: use that to a real weapon in which it is.

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00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: I think that, um, the wide receivers are going to

739
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: be fine. I mean they had to get some paint

740
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: because all right, receivers were short guys. And every time

741
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: we got into the rig zone, because we really couldn't

742
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: grow the ball up to nobody. The only person who

743
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: could throw a ball up to it in the ridge

744
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: zone is knocks Garrel Telly, former Bills linebacker on the

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: line with Usterarrel. We brought you out to day to

746
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: talk about your former teammate Ben Williams, and it strikes

747
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: to me how you were sort of a bridge player

748
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: between two pretty good times in Bills football. I mean

749
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Ben Williams and you mentioned Im Sherman White, Phil Villipiano.

750
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Those guys won, they won AFC East titles, and you

751
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: were there when their careers winding down, and you were

752
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: here when the next great Bills teams came up. You

753
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: were you were writing between two pretty good eras of

754
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Bills football at thor. Yeah. I actually learned from those guys.

755
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: That's like I said, I had there's very good mentors

756
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: and teaching me about how to play the game and

757
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: how to be a professional. And because when you were

758
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: a kid coming out of college, you would you don't

759
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: know a whole lot of bottle, whole lot of anything.

760
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: When you get to the NFL, you're just sitting there,

761
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: your wide eyed, the bushy tailed, and running around like

762
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: you're crazy. And then you guys says, hey, look, this

763
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: is what you gotta do this So you can't just

764
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: run around all nearly Willie, this is what you have

765
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: to do. You have to do this, to this, to this, oh,

766
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of guys who it was a lot

767
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: of structure that had to come in and come in quickly. Daryl,

768
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, man, it's great here from you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us a little bit of information on

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00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: Ben Williams former Buffalo Bill passing away. It's great talking

771
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: with you and we always love having you on. All

772
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: right now, problem about talk to me every day. I'll

773
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: talk to you getting in the tech Stevey, Hey, all right, man,

774
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: talk to you later. Joel Talley, former Bills linebacker, former

775
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: teammate of Ben Williams, Bill's defensive end, who passed away

776
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: yesterday tragically at the age of sixty five. Steve and

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00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: I coming back with more one Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: Collot of Health. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: to John Tea casker. Our question of today, which Bill's

780
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: defensive player has the most approved this year and why?

781
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: Had a Twitter poll on that more than five votes

782
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: and almost half you a forty eight percent, Josh Norman,

783
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: twenty four percent, say Harrison Phillips twenty one percent, say

784
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace. We'll take your phone calls, find out who

785
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: you think and why. You can send in a tweet.

786
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: We'll read it on the tweet sheet and you can

787
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: vote to the Twitter poll. Steve, this was an interesting story.

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Speaker 1: I want to get your take. On twenty eighteen, a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago now, reportedly the Seattle Seahawks were

790
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: shopping Russell Wilson in a trade. Chris Simms, NBC Sports

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00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: Tweets had Chris on the show. I was talking to

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00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: Mike Florio last week. He said the Seahawks had floated

793
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: the idea of trading Russell Wilson to the Browns for

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00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. That didn't happen. The Browns

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00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: took Baker Mayfield. Wilson, as of course, signed on again

796
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: with Seattle. According to Simms, the Seahawks were gonna replace

797
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Wilson with Josh Allen if they pulled off the trade.

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00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: They were gonna drab Josh Allen. Wow, that'd be a

799
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: big deal. That'd be a big deal on three different fronts,

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00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't it for Baker Mayfield. Well, maybe not for Baker,

801
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen and Russell Wilson for sure. Yeah, here's

802
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: the thing that and the reasoning was this, and you

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00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: can see it from the Seahawks perspective. They had this

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00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: recipe he that got them to two straight Super Bowls,

805
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: and really the one with the Tom Brady with the

806
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: New England interception of Russell Wilson right on the goal line,

807
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: with you know, the Seattle is gonna win two in

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Speaker 1: a row. That was a great recipe. But they felt

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00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: the key to that recipe was the fact that they

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00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: had their quarterback on a rookie contract. Now they've been

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Speaker 1: to two Super Bowls. It was time to extend that rookie,

812
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: and all they were gonna have to cough up thirty

813
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: million bucks to do it. They thought they would repeat

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00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: that recipe with a different quarterback trade. Russell Wilson get

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Speaker 1: a number one pick of the draft. Russell Wilson a

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00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: proven commodity, a real win. You know, he's an elite quarterback.

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00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the guys at the top echelon of the

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00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: NFL get a young guy who's cheap, a guy who

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Speaker 1: particularly in the year like we had in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and at that

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Speaker 1: time Josh Rosen as well. They had some guys and

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, don't forget. So they had all these these

823
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: possibilities of really good quarterbacks. They thought they'd get the

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Speaker 1: guy they wanted the top of the draft. They'd just

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00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: do it again with a different quarterback pulling the trigger.

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Speaker 1: That was their reasoning. And they went to the Cleveland

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00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: Browns to see if the Cleveland Browns would do the deal,

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00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: and ultimately it didn't happen. But it's a conversation that

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00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: took place, and also that came out. Now this one

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00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: was less substantiated by Chris Simms. He said he can't

831
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: guarantee it, but he was led to believe there was

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Speaker 1: going to be Josh Allen as the number one overall

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00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: pick of the draft. You want to talk about revisionist history,

834
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: there's a there's an encyclopedia volume on what would have

835
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: happened to the league and the Buffalo Bills and all

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00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the ramifications of that trade had it gone through. I

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Speaker 1: think obviously it's indicative of it wasn't just the Bills.

838
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: Many teams held Josh Allen in high regard. The Bills

839
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Speaker 1: got him at number seven and to move up a

840
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: couple of times, again him at number seven, right, But

841
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks are ready to do better than that, it

842
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: seems if you believe this report to get Josh Allen,

843
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: which says something I think about a guy who, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned yesterday on the show, there's a lot of

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00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: polarizing opinions about Josh Allen yea, and it goes all

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00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: the way back to the draft. Um. They were polarizing,

847
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: like with every draft, particularly that one we're talking about

848
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Speaker 1: two years ago, with the four quarterbacks five quarterbacks taken

849
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Speaker 1: in the first round. There were polarizing opinions about all

850
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Speaker 1: of them. You know, Baker Mayfield had all these leadership

851
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: qualities and stuff, but the guy, you know, the big

852
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: deal was at the combine whether he was gonna be

853
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: six foot right? And then uh, you had you know

854
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, who had you know, the only thing about

855
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: him when he was polished, he ran a pro offense.

856
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: He would you know, the leadership qualities weren't quite there

857
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: with Josh Rosen. Okay, oh fine, Sam Jarnold did everything,

858
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: but he turned the ball over all that I can

859
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe I can still remember all these profiles

860
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: that these guys. But everybody had this guy like who's

861
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: gonna be the number one pick? Who was it? And uh,

862
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: and the guy Josh Allen checked all the physical boxes

863
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: in unbelievable fashion. All Right, he's got the biggest arm

864
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: of the group. He's the biggest guy of the group.

865
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: He can run faster than anybody else in the group.

866
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's a he's an athlete more so than

867
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: anybody else, maybe without Lamar Jackson in the mix. Right,

868
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: he's got he's very intelligent. So he's got all those

869
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: So you think, oh, who's gonna be that first pick,

870
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, as it all worked out,

871
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: as easy to forget that. Even back then, people thought

872
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Sam Darnold, they thought it was

873
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna be Baker Mayfield. He thought it might have been

874
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen was in that conversation. There were some

875
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: teams that liked this guy, some teams that like that guy,

876
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: some teams that liked a third guy. So it depended

877
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: on who had that pick as to who was going

878
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: to be the first pick of the draft. We kind

879
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: of forget that because of you know, it was easy

880
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: to revise your opinions and what you remember about it

881
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: because of how everything worked out. But there was a

882
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: real conversation about all of those guys and who was

883
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: going to be the first pick, Who's going to be

884
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: the best pro, who had the best fit, who was

885
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: going to go to the right team and fit the

886
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: best in that team and be better than people thought

887
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: he was gonna be. All of that stuff was in

888
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: the conversation and to hear this coming out after the

889
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: fact couple of years and Chris Sims said he had

890
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: said this last year, and it kind of went, didn't

891
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: you know, get any traction and now bouncing it back

892
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: this now that the Seahawks have gone on and tried

893
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: to make a new recipe to go to the super Bowl,

894
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: it's gaining some traction now some attention, and it really

895
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: just popped up on arm right. An interesting story. The

896
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: four teams of three teams I mean really involved in this, right,

897
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: the Seahawks number one getting rid of their super Bowl

898
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: quarterback Russell Wilson and getting Josh Allen. If if you

899
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: believe that story, the Bills not getting Josh Allen and

900
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: who knows who they'd have a shot at. Who knows

901
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: if the Bills would move up to seven to get

902
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Maybe they move up to get Sam Donald there,

903
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, it might have to move up even more

904
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: than that actually, and the Browns winding up with Russell Wilson,

905
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be it would be an incredible

906
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: it would be an incredible trade if that were to happen.

907
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: Didn't happen, we can speculate on what it might mean, right.

908
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: I think the fun part of it is what would

909
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: have happened to the other teams, to the Bills, to

910
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: the jet to the Bills. Can they get him at

911
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: get their guy egg I, Sam Donald or Baker Mayfield

912
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: or Lamar Jackson. Would they get a guy at seven,

913
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: would they trade up to get him? Like they did?

914
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Really interesting stuff? And what would the team the league

915
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: look like right now had it happened? Unbelievable, unbelievable ramifications.

916
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: And you think, and it's easy for us to sit

917
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: here doing it like a board game, right, but the

918
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: lives that would have been changed by that unbelievable to

919
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: think about it. So it's so fun and intriguing to

920
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: to go down that path once in a while. Darnold

921
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: went number three over all those the Jets and the

922
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: Bills moved up to seven to get Josh Allen, and

923
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: then Josh Rosen was at number ten. I mean, yeah,

924
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: things would have been different, right, I mean, if the

925
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: Bills had to settle somehow for Josh Rosen, I don't

926
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: think anybody would be happy with that based on the

927
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: way Rosen's career is gone. But the one thing we

928
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: gotta say, and I was thinking that I have a

929
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: degree of sympathy for Josh Rosen because you can't predict

930
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: how it's going to work for a guy in a place,

931
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, this place seems to work pretty well for

932
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: Shallon m Cleveland works okay for Baker Mayfield, although they've

933
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of turmoil coaching staff, et cetera. But

934
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you can't predict how it's

935
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: gonna work. You don't know how the fits are gonna work, right,

936
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: maybe Jack. I guess my point is if the Bills

937
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: had to settle for Josh Rosen a couple of years ago,

938
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: maybe they would have handled him better. Maybe it would

939
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: have been a little bit better. Who know, you can't

940
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: or maybe they would have maybe wouldn't have liked Lamar

941
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: Jackson better. And then no, he's he's a big jump.

942
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: I don't even last pick in the first round. Yeah,

943
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: he would reach. And here's the thing too, The element

944
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: of this that never can never be quantified and never

945
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: be predicted or even yeah, even conjecture, is the human element.

946
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: How all these young players would have fit in all

947
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: these different scenarios, and how the scenarios would have changed

948
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: because of the fit. It's just it boggles your mind

949
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: the number of the number of you know, intangibles that

950
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: you can't predict. Yep, it's a pretty interesting story. Hey,

951
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: when we come back We're gonna be on the line

952
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: with Maurice Jones Drew, NFL network analysts color analysts on

953
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: the RAMS Radio network talking to him about a variety

954
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: of tap topics. Come on back with us One Bills

955
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: Live presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Yeah,

956
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: the update from One Bills Live. Former Bills defensive end

957
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: Ben Williams passed away from Natural Concerts yesterday. He was

958
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: sixty five years old. He played on the Bills defensive

959
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: line for ten years. A third round pick out of

960
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: Old miss the first African American to be drafted out

961
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: of the University of Mississippi. He's part of the early

962
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: eighties playoff teams under head coach Chuck Knox. Named to

963
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: his first Pro Bowl in nineteen eighty two, had ten

964
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: sacks a year later. Spent his entire career with the

965
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Ben Williams passed away yesterday at the age

966
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: of sixty five. The NFL will officially amend the Rooney

967
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: Rule to require more interviews of minority candidates for head

968
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: coaching and coordinating positions. According to ESPN, That'll happen that

969
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: the Virtual League meetings would start today they're reacting to

970
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: a lack of diversity progress in hiring for those jobs.

971
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: The league said to be ready to require teams to

972
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: interview at least two minority candidates from outside the organization

973
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: for head coach openings, and at least one minority candidate

974
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: must be interviewed for a coordinating spot. NFL engineers and

975
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: sports equipment company Oakley are testing prototypes of modified face

976
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: masks that might contain surgical or ND ninety five material.

977
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: That's according to the medical director of the NFL Players Association.

978
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: They're probably going to be a recommendation. The NFL used

979
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: such masks to protect players from the coronavirus. When the

980
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: league returns to play, and the National Hockey League has

981
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: narrowed its list of potential venues to eight or nine sites.

982
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: They can accommodate a dozen or so teams in one location.

983
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: That's if they resume played the summer after pausing because

984
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. The NHL seems determined to get something

985
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: on the ice. In recent days, the league is shifted

986
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: it's focused to a twenty fourteen field, which would include

987
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: bubble teams not including the Buffalo Savers. And there you go.

988
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: That is the update from one Bill's Live job. Murphy

989
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: Steve Tasking are ready to go without our number two

990
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: joining us on the line right now. NFL Network analysts

991
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: for NFL Network color analysts on the Los Angeles Rams

992
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: Radio Network. Nine years in the league with the Jaguars

993
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: and the Raiders. Uh, three times, three Pro Bowl appearances.

994
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: We're happy to have Maurice Jones Drew on the line

995
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: with us. Hello, Maurice Jones Drew. Thanks coming out. Well, well, guys,

996
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: how are you. We're doing great? Thanks. I hope you're

997
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: holding up. You're healthy, and everything's going well out west. Right,

998
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: you're still working. I still see it on NFL Network, right, Yeah, Yeah,

999
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing a lot of stuff remotely, which

1000
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: is awesome. I've still been I've been writing a lot,

1001
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: getting back on TV with a with a tough task

1002
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: because you know, barbershops weren't open during the quarantine deal.

1003
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: So I'm lucky. I'm lucky enough that I have some

1004
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: friends that, uh, I know we've been doing their thing

1005
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: that can cut hair, so I can get back on TV. Now,

1006
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: what do you think? What's next there on NFL Network?

1007
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: What's your what's on your plate? I mean all of us,

1008
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, around the league and in the sports media business,

1009
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: and we're talking about, you know, the draft still with

1010
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. But what's on your plate at the NFL network.

1011
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: What are you guys talking about. I mean a lot

1012
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 1: of it is you know, there the new rule change

1013
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: with the Rooney rules that's being voted on, and you

1014
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: know that that's a definitely a hot topic. I have

1015
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: my different views on it. I feel like, you know,

1016
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: it shouldn't owners and teams shouldn't be incentivized to hire

1017
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: minority coaches. I think there's some really good ones out there.

1018
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's the topic that a

1019
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: lot of guys are talking about. You know, obviously projecting

1020
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: teams and records and players and rookies, and you know

1021
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: how certain teams are gonna do deals. I know, you know,

1022
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: with all the big trades that went on, like in

1023
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: Buffalo trading for Stefan Diggs, how that's gonna work out?

1024
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: And and and to be quite frank with you, everyone's

1025
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: still talking about the Patriots and the Tom Brady what

1026
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna look like. So it's just gonna be a

1027
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: lot going on. But you know, also, you know how

1028
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: the season, you know how like opening up some facilities

1029
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: and all the different things that you know, teams are

1030
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: trying to get back going and get things uh moving again,

1031
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: and just trying to figure out how this whole thing

1032
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: is going to play out with this shortened offseason. Heym alreays,

1033
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Let me take you back to

1034
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: the first thing you mentioned. And the owners are scheduled

1035
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: to discussing today the ruining rule. Um, what do you

1036
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: see the issue? Why? Why would it be why would

1037
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: you be against incentivizing through the use of improved draft position,

1038
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: incentivizing hiring minority coaches or gms. Uh, well, you know,

1039
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up to me. It's like,

1040
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, this is what you're supposed to do. You're

1041
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: supposed to hire the best person that you think is there.

1042
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to, you know. I kind of take

1043
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: it as like if my mom says, you know, you

1044
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: have to clean your room. She didn't give me allowance

1045
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: money for clean cleaning or that's thing I'm supposed to do,

1046
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: or waking up and brushing my teeth every morning, she

1047
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't give me allowance money for that. Now, like if

1048
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: I had to go like, you know, pick up after

1049
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: my dog or our dog or clean the yard, like

1050
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: that's something different. But you know, I always been in

1051
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: the league and playing for a lot of different gms,

1052
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: And you know I played with I played for Shaq Harris,

1053
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: who's a GM, Jack del Rio, Gene Smith, Dave called

1054
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: Will Reggie McKenzie. I mean, you know, there's so many

1055
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: different types of gems out there. It's just it is

1056
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: disconcerning when the guy like Eric Vietnamy, who literally the

1057
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: last two or three years was the play caller for

1058
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs and they were scoring all these

1059
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: points and doing all these different things, and yet he

1060
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: goes to these interviews and he doesn't get hired, but

1061
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: other guys are getting hired who are less qualified. And

1062
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: so it's not necessarily I don't think incentivizing someone is

1063
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, it's not gonna help the minority coaches.

1064
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt them, to be honest, because now everyone

1065
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, they only get that they only hired

1066
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: you because of X y Z, not be as of

1067
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: what you bring to the table. And that's going to

1068
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: push minority coaches back more than it is going to

1069
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: help them move forward. So I think you just have

1070
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: to have teams and owners with an open mindset and

1071
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: understand that you know, yes, I get it. They may

1072
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: not look like you, they may not speak like you,

1073
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: they may not work like you or like you think

1074
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: that these people should work, but why not give them

1075
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity. I you know, I started calling the games.

1076
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: My first year was Jeff Fisher, and I always try

1077
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: to put this in perspective. My first year was Jeff Fisher,

1078
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: and I remember after they fired them, the RAMS went

1079
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: out and looked at all these different coaches and they

1080
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: hired a coach who was younger than I was, and

1081
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: I was fresh out of the league. I was two

1082
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: or three years out of the league. And they hired

1083
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: Sean mcbabe. That's unprecedented like that, that never happens. But

1084
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: they took a chance on a young coach that, you know,

1085
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: they felt might not have been ready now, or maybe

1086
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: a couple of years down the road might have been ready.

1087
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: And it turns out that they were right and they

1088
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: hit it. But it was something that they did that

1089
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: was out of the norm. It wasn't a guy who

1090
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: had experience, he was young. You had two or three

1091
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: players on that team that might have been older than

1092
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: Sean at the time, or there's still one that's older

1093
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: than Sean now. But you know, he was able. He

1094
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: caught their eye or however might have been, and he

1095
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: was able to cultivate and create a culture there for

1096
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: the Rams, and these guys bought it. And two years

1097
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: later there in the Super Bowl, there is and I

1098
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: guess there is something to be said for the league

1099
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: trying to address the situation or trying to address this problem.

1100
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, what do you think or

1101
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: do you know or have you heard? Who are they

1102
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: talking to about these ideas for solving this problem? Have

1103
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: they talked to They talked to guys like Tony Dungee

1104
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin, and if they could have talked to

1105
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: a guy like Dennis Green, guys who have done it,

1106
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: guys like Ozzie Newsome. Have they approached guys and out

1107
00:54:53,960 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: how they can make it more equitable for everybody? I

1108
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: think it starts off well. I know they have special

1109
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: committees that they reach out to. I don't know personally

1110
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: who are on those committees of the guys that they've

1111
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: worked with, but you know, in the NFL the way

1112
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: the trend is going right now, you have you know,

1113
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: like it starts off with the most important position in football,

1114
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: even though I think every position is important. You know

1115
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: that's my bias, but people say the quarterback is the

1116
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: most important position. Well, you have to have minorities coaching quarterbacks.

1117
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: And so the league has done a great job of

1118
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: having you know, internships and different things for coaches to

1119
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: go and learn how to you know, coach the quarterback

1120
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: from different gurus that are you know, all over the league.

1121
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: I think Andy Reid is spoken at some of those.

1122
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh has, I know some other you know, uh,

1123
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: Top Nights coaches have spoken there. And that's where it starts.

1124
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: It's getting guys these first of all, allowing guys to

1125
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: coach the quarterback and be in that quarterback room. Then

1126
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: it goes from that to hiring ocs and dcs of

1127
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: the minority oc and DC's and then once you do that,

1128
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: and then that's how guys get opportunities to then try

1129
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: to be head coaches. You have to, you know, you

1130
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: have to open up a pipeline for guys to continue

1131
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: not just to be the running back coach, which I

1132
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: think running back coaches are very smart, and I personally

1133
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: feel like a running back coach is similar to an

1134
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: offensive line coach where they have to know or a

1135
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: tight ends coach where they have to know everything. Right.

1136
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: As a running back, you're you're a part of the offense,

1137
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: both in the passing game and the running game and

1138
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: at the protection side, so you have to know a

1139
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. Um and I think that you know,

1140
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: you have to understand how these organizations are thinking. And

1141
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: the one way that people have learned or understand is

1142
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: that the fastest way to get to an OC is

1143
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: to be a quarterbacks coach. Right, So you start the

1144
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, you open up that that pipeline, get some

1145
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: more minorities in there. They go to ocs obviously, from

1146
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: OC to head coach. Defensive wise, you just have to

1147
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: give guys opportunity to call plays. And I think there's

1148
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. Atlanta Falcons have done that before,

1149
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: which Manuel that's his last name, I forget, but they

1150
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: gave him an opportunity. Leslie Fraser obviously, and Buffalo has

1151
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to be a head coach and he's

1152
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: back in the DC role. And you see the way

1153
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: the Buffalo. Bill's defense is flying around, so I expect

1154
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: him to get a second opportunity and just continue to

1155
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: build again. Open those lanes and those pipelines. Live with

1156
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew NFL on Network, Candalysts joining us here

1157
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: and Hey, Maurice, I want to switch gears a little

1158
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: bit and go back to the draft. You thought very

1159
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: highly of Bill's third round picked Zach Moss going into

1160
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: the draft. Right, We have a listen on Twitter saying

1161
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: Michael Shaffano says, you may have had him as your

1162
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: number one running back and forth the draft? Is that right? Well, well,

1163
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: he had. My concern was that he has an injury history.

1164
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: But when you look at his tape, and you know,

1165
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: I gotta understand why he failed. But when you watch

1166
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: his tape, he's definitely one of the top backs in

1167
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: the country coming out of college. He's not as you know,

1168
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: he's not the he has the ability to have a

1169
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: home run hitter. I would kind of put him more

1170
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: in the lines of a slower Marshawn Lynch, but more

1171
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: of a Frank Gore when he first came out of

1172
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: That makes sense, and I know you guys had Frank there,

1173
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: but great vision can get skinny through holes. I was

1174
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: one of Frank's things when he was coming out. He

1175
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: was able to get skinny and anticipate the cuts and

1176
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: anticipate the holes. But he always falls forward and he

1177
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: runs hard. And we know what it's like to be

1178
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: in Buffalo in November and December. You want a guy

1179
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: that's going to be able to, you know, break tackles

1180
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: and and do some different things, and to be quite Frank,

1181
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: it's a great pick. I have been part of a

1182
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: thunder lightning role in Jacksonville, and you could have obviously

1183
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: you know Zack Moss as your thunder, your run through guy,

1184
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: than Devin Singletary is your your quick lightning guy that's

1185
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: able to make people missing. He had a really good

1186
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: year last year as well, so I thought it was

1187
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: an amazing pick. I think Zach Wallas catches the ball

1188
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, tough runner, has great short area quickness,

1189
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: and he finds ways to to you know, he really

1190
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: finds ways to get first downs and touchdowns in that

1191
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: short red zone. Maurice, I got to ask you a

1192
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: question about running backs, how they're perceived around the league.

1193
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: Certainly a lot of teams, even the Buffalo Bills now

1194
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: with Devin Single Terry and Zack Moss. Teams are doing

1195
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: it with a bunch of guys, with a couple of

1196
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: guys at least two guys at least And and there's

1197
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: been a lot of talk even on our show about

1198
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: how the running back position has been devalued. Could you

1199
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: make a case that it's actually been more valued because

1200
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: they've got more guys doing the same job and they

1201
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: need such a wide variety of skills that it takes

1202
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: more than one guy to get it done. You look

1203
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: at a guy like Christian McCaffrey and how many things

1204
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't He's a guy that was in the MVP

1205
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: conversation for minute. Is it has the position becomes so

1206
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: wide ranging in its demand for a skill set that

1207
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: it needs more than one guy to do. I think

1208
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: it's it's so I don't say it's devalued because if

1209
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl,

1210
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: as much as the Kansas City Chiefs through the ball

1211
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: throughout the year, they leaned on their running game in

1212
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl and that's how they were able to

1213
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: win it. Right, We saw the Niners throw the ball

1214
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: eight times in the NFC Championship game and demolished the Packers.

1215
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: So and they did it with you know, they do

1216
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: it with multiple guys. And the reason I feel like

1217
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: teams are doing multiple guys because it's a marathon. And

1218
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: you have to understand. I remember playing in being in Jacksonville,

1219
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: and you know, you're playing sixteen straight games. You know

1220
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: you're going after it, you're running hard, you're doing all

1221
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: these things. And then if you're blessed and fortunate enough

1222
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs, that's a whole another

1223
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: season that you have to be ready for it. And

1224
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: so regardless of how good you know, it's not the

1225
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: quarterback position where they rarely run and they rarely get hit.

1226
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: It's not like the receiver position where all you do

1227
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: is run and you barely take hits. Right, This is

1228
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: a position that it's a it takes a lot for

1229
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: one guy to do it. And I think Derek that's

1230
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: what makes Derek Henry so special is that you know

1231
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: he was able to literally he was the Titans offense.

1232
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean, want to say, the last five or six

1233
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: seven weeks of the season going into the playoffs. And

1234
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: so it just depends on the kind of team that

1235
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: you want the kind of guys you have. If you're

1236
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: a team that you know, you know you're gonna run

1237
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: the ball a ton. You don't want to overload a

1238
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: guy and give him four hundred carries, right because you're

1239
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna wear him down. If he gets four hundred carries

1240
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: three or four season in a row, that's a lot.

1241
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: But if I can give him two hundred and fifty

1242
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: to two hundred and eighty carries and have another back

1243
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: who's capable of doing the same thing, I could still

1244
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: pay this this number one guy a ton of money

1245
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: because I know what I'm getting. I know what I'm

1246
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: getting for him, So you know, I think it's just

1247
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: the way you see it. I know a lot of

1248
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, it's devalued. They don't get drafted

1249
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: in the first round anymore. Oh, they don't do this. Well,

1250
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: if I'm a GM, and again this is gonna hurt

1251
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: me to say this, but this is from the business side.

1252
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: If I'm a team and I think the running back

1253
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: position is being devalued, I'm gonna draft them all in

1254
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: the first round there so I don't have to pay

1255
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: a second deal to him. I mean, that's the smart

1256
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: thing to do, and I get a fifth year option. Right.

1257
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: But what we're seeing teams do is they're drafting these

1258
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: guys in the second and third round, and after two

1259
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: or three years, guess what, You're gonna have to cash

1260
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: him out because these guys are starting to make plays.

1261
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: Alvin Camaro will be next, right, All these different guys

1262
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: are gonna be next. So you can say it's being devalued,

1263
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: But I just saw Christian McCaffrey sign a huge deal, Right,

1264
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: you can say it's being devalued. But I saw Todd Girl.

1265
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: He signed a huge deal, and then two years and

1266
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: then two years after signed that deal, guess where they

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Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl And they leaned on him

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Speaker 1: that whole season until the very end. They brought in C. J.

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Speaker 1: Anderson and yeah, he still was the guy in Dallas

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Speaker 1: and in the Super Bowl, had the longest runs. I've

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Speaker 1: seen guys on the likes of Alvin Kamara, who are

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Speaker 1: going who's gonna get you know, paid a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: and so you can say afety valued, but when it

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Speaker 1: comes to football terms, that position will be one of

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Speaker 1: the most valuable positions because of one situation in football,

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Speaker 1: and in Steve you know this situation. I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's the best situation of football. It's a four minute situation.

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Speaker 1: To close out games, you need a strong runner that

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Speaker 1: you can believe in that will be able to close

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Speaker 1: out games for you. And that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: Live with Maurice Jones Drew, NFL network analysts also color

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Speaker 1: analysts on the Rams radio and net Where Rams are

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Speaker 1: coming here to Orchard Park Sunday, September twenty seven to

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Speaker 1: play the Bills one o'clock kickoff that day. Maurice Rams

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Speaker 1: thirteen wins two years ago, just nine last year? Do

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Speaker 1: they have what it takes to get back up to

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Speaker 1: double digit twelve thirteen wins? And what's who are the

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Speaker 1: keys to getting back into that level? Do you think? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: first let me say thank thank God that we're you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going to September and not in December. I know

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Speaker 1: if there was those those times are like up there

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Speaker 1: in Upstate New York in the in the winner. But

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Speaker 1: I do believe the Rams have the opportunity to get

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Speaker 1: to ten wins. Last year. It was a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: You know, a Thursday night game, you have a great

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Speaker 1: drive to in Seattle, to go down and you miss

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Speaker 1: a field goal. It happens, right, those things happened that

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Speaker 1: there goes one win. Uh. You play the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, tough game, hard fall game. Uh, Todd Gurley's

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Speaker 1: averaging six yards and carry, you have a you know,

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Speaker 1: some plays and not go your way. Defense is playing

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Speaker 1: really well. You lose that one. Uh. You know there

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Speaker 1: there were some some tough games down the stretch that

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Speaker 1: you know, they felt they could have won. You have

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Speaker 1: the Niners at the very end with the bomb Tammanuel

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Speaker 1: Sanders to get him in the field goal range to

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Speaker 1: win that to lose that game. So it wasn't as

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Speaker 1: if that nine and seven was like you know, literally

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Speaker 1: it was like five plays that they could have been,

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Speaker 1: you know, thirteen and three, and those players didn't go

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Speaker 1: to the ball and bouncer away and guess what, they

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Speaker 1: ended up nine and seven. And so it happens. And

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Speaker 1: I believe that you know, they tried to swing for defenses.

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Speaker 1: They tried to make some uh moves, um you know,

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Speaker 1: paying a lot of guys and keeping a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys u in the salary tabs situation. But you know

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Speaker 1: they've kind of they're trying to fix that. They have

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Speaker 1: a great corner and Jayla Ramsey defensively, obviously have Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 1: You bring back Michael Brockers. They did a really good

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Speaker 1: job in the draft after you know, you release Todd Gurley,

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Speaker 1: you bring back a young uh, a really good running back,

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Speaker 1: and cam Acres. You add another receiver to replace Brandon

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Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. And so they they've added some pieces. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're they're much younger. And then to be really, you know,

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Speaker 1: quite frank with you guys, that offensive line was beat

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Speaker 1: up the whole year, and so you know, they finally

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Speaker 1: kind of found their groove late in the year. They

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Speaker 1: were able to run the ball a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: The play action game started to work, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they want to get back to that. So they have

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Speaker 1: some things. Again, they're not perfect, they're not the best team.

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Speaker 1: They're not like on paper they're gonna wow you and

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Speaker 1: all those type of things. But they have some really

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Speaker 1: good pieces that are you know, I think they were

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Speaker 1: able to address in the draft and free agency that

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Speaker 1: I helped him out. Two years ago. Head coaches were

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Speaker 1: getting hired in the NFL just because they were associated

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Speaker 1: with Sean mcvayh that's how bright his star had shine

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: has a little bit of the shine worn off. Sean mcvain.

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Speaker 1: How much pressure is he enter to rebound and get

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Speaker 1: him back to double digit wins? Yeah, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't think the pressure is off I truly for I

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Speaker 1: don't think that bright that the lights are off him.

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, you should be you know,

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Speaker 1: in two years he took a team that would won

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Speaker 1: four games to the Super Bowl, and so he's earned

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Speaker 1: the right to, you know, make, you know, whatever decisions

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Speaker 1: he wants to make. And so right now I think

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Speaker 1: offensive they just have to get back to go and

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Speaker 1: to be really honest with you guys, last with the

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Speaker 1: reason that the numbers and the stats weren't up is

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Speaker 1: because they couldn't run the ball. I mean, I want

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Speaker 1: to say, within the first three or four weeks they

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Speaker 1: had five or six different offensive line combinations, which messes

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Speaker 1: up your cohesiveness in your chemistry, and you know that

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01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: is one of the most important pieces to helping a

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Speaker 1: passing game, as your offensive line not even being able

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Speaker 1: to talk to each other, but understanding what they're supposed

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Speaker 1: to do, well, well, you have to talk on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line a ton, and you have to make sure

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Speaker 1: everyone knows what they're doing. That takes time. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: get in the rhythm. That also helped Hurt in the

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Speaker 1: running game. And so I want to say Todd had

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Speaker 1: his lowest carries, lowest yards. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about touchdowns as well. Writing from I don't how they

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Speaker 1: get you right in front of me, but you know,

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Speaker 1: they just couldn't get going, and they would have a

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Speaker 1: drive that'd be really good, then they would stall a drive,

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Speaker 1: and they would have a drive that'd be really good

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Speaker 1: that they woud stall two or three drives. And so

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Speaker 1: when they were those top offenses, they were just consistent.

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Speaker 1: They would get first downs, they would starting to get

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Speaker 1: in the rhythm, and once they got in the rhythm,

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Speaker 1: they could go. They just could never get in the

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Speaker 1: rhythm last year. And so for me, it's it's more

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Speaker 1: of Sean McVay understanding, you know, his personnel, his players

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Speaker 1: that they have there now, his coach is that they

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Speaker 1: have there now because they've they've done a they've revamped

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Speaker 1: a lot, and it's about them recommitting themselves to just

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Speaker 1: getting into a rhythm. And I think that that's what

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Speaker 1: the most important thing is for the Rams. Hey, Maurice Lessing,

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Speaker 1: I have for you. It's kind of a big picture question. Uh, basically,

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Speaker 1: what do you expect from the NFL this year? What

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Speaker 1: are you hearing about fans and stadiums? What are you

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Speaker 1: hearing about broadcast? Do you think? I mean, no one

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Speaker 1: has the answers, yep, but what do you well? I

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Speaker 1: And as of now, I feel like the league is

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Speaker 1: gonna keep going right. I think that they're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to do their best with the fans. Um. I know

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Speaker 1: that you know, the TV deals are still gonna be

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Speaker 1: TV deals and they're gonna get guys out there. So

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Speaker 1: uh as broadcasters, uh we we we still should be

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Speaker 1: able to you know, be able to talk and watch

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Speaker 1: and report on the game. Um. It's it's the fan

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Speaker 1: thing is gonna be difficult because you know, I, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, like the coronavirus is, you know, things are

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Speaker 1: starting to reopen up and they're they're slowly starting to

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Speaker 1: do different things, but it takes you know, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: take time. We don't have a vaccine for it as

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Speaker 1: of yet. You know, there's still hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: cases and all these different things. So the league is

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Speaker 1: going to definitely do its best to protect the fans

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Speaker 1: and the players. And so all I'm hearing right now

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Speaker 1: is just be prepared for a season. There may be fans,

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: there may not be fans, but just go into it

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01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: being prepared and and as a you know, an analyst

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01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 1: that works for RAMS Radio, have to continue to study

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: and make sure that you know, I'm on my a

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Speaker 1: game and that if, if you know, anything were to happen,

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Speaker 1: that we can adjust to it. And so it's kind

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Speaker 1: of how it is. That's just what the world that

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Speaker 1: we're living in now. And as a football player, we

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01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: always were taught like we have to be you have

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Speaker 1: to be uh what's the word is. I think it's adjustable.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they used to say, say all

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Speaker 1: types of stuff, but you just you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to adapt at the end of the day to

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Speaker 1: whatever happens. And I think, um, you know, that is

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Speaker 1: what we'll do. Maurice. Thanks for coming on. We appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: and it's nice to get your insights to the RAMS

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Speaker 1: and whatever else is going on in the NFL. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, no problem, guys. Thanks Maurice. Maurice Jones Drew

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Speaker 1: NFL Network color Radlo signed Rams Radio, spent nine years

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Speaker 1: carrying the ball in the NFL, three Pro Bowl appearances

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Raiders. You can follow him on Twitter at MJD.

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Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew A thoughtful guy. Happy to have him.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a break and then we're coming back.

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, presented by Collat of Health. This is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Raiding. Welcome back One Bill's Lot, John Murphy,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker coming here. We just talked with Maurice Jones Drew.

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Speaker 1: He was good. He was kind of low key, Steve,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was I'm not used

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01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: to seeing them like that when I met him. I've

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01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: ever met him once, talked him once. He was high energy.

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Speaker 1: We were at training camp. He was you're talking about

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Speaker 1: you in a couple of times, right production stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: he was a really energetic guy. And and and I

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Speaker 1: think he is still that way. He's but I think

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Speaker 1: low key part of it is, you know, the kind

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: of the side effect of what we're all going through

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01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: right now. You know, you kind of tend to recline

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01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: in everything you do, so plus that's still mid morning

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: out in La where he is. That would be affect

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01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: might not have had his coffee yet. I sound different

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: at ten thirty in the morning than I do it

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 1: one thirty in the afternoon typically. Yea Hey. Our Twitter

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: poll today, our question which builds defensive player as the

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Speaker 1: most approved this year and why give us a call?

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01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: We got phone lines wide open eight o three five

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Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: five fifty. Talk about that or anything you want. You

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01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: can vote on our Twitter poll. We've got six hundred

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: and seventy votes in so far. Half of you forty

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01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: seven percent say Josh Norman is the defensive player, We're

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Speaker 1: the most improved. Twenty five percent say Harriston Phillips coming

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Speaker 1: off his injury is the one in twenty one percent

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Speaker 1: say cornerback Levi Wallace. Seven percent have something else in mind.

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Speaker 1: A lot of votes on Twitter about Ed Oliver based

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Speaker 1: on the weekends of developments. I get that. Let's go

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Speaker 1: back to the tweet he brought your by Cargan Moving Systems.

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Speaker 1: The official moves are the Buffalo bills. Yes, Steve, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he says, I was just gonna read this one from

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Speaker 1: Ryan on the tweet sheet about who it is it's,

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Speaker 1: he says, I think it's at Oliver. He's got to

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Speaker 1: prove it he can build off the end of last

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Speaker 1: year as well as proof he can take care of

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Speaker 1: himself off the field as well. I think that's kind

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: of obviously falls into the ramp into the bin where

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Speaker 1: a lot of people on Twitter and all out of

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Speaker 1: the feedback we've gotten and as everything, we're kind of

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Speaker 1: all prisoners at the moment. At Oliver is the one

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Speaker 1: guy that's on the radar these days. Yeah, And we

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Speaker 1: didn't include him in our choices because of the uncertainty, Right,

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01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: is he going to be suspended? How long will he

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Speaker 1: be suspended? Is there some other thing that will take place?

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: Is he in fact guilty of the charges he's charged.

1477
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm not defended him, but he's charged. You know, nothing

1478
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: has been proven, right, so we decided to leave it alone. Yeah.

1479
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: Also from the tweet sheet from Papa Bell, Josh Norman

1480
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: is the answer and I think this system and coaching

1481
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: staff will get the best out of him. But that

1482
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: would be that would be a plus. And Josh Norman,

1483
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: what is he thirty two? Steve? Is he older? Than that.

1484
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't know you to know this, but he does

1485
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: have a lot to prove, not just to the Bills

1486
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: and the Bills fans, but I think to the rest

1487
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: of the NFL. But he still has got it right.

1488
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that's probably why he's got forty five percent

1489
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: of the forty cent percent of the vote here. He's

1490
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: got to prove to everybody. He probably thinks I got

1491
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: to prove something to Buffalo, but even the people around

1492
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: the league, maybe people in Washington that I can still play.

1493
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: I think also Murphy's it's a nod towards the fans, saying,

1494
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the guy I've got a

1495
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: high expectations for. He's obviously been a great corner not

1496
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: that long ago, and he did it in this exact system,

1497
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: with this exact coach. He needs to he needs to

1498
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: step up. This is his last best chance, and people

1499
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: I think have higher expectations for Josh Norman and his

1500
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,600
Speaker 1: abilities without having much to hang it on over the

1501
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: last two or three years. So I think there's a

1502
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on him. Plus the fact that this

1503
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: is a really good team and they don't you know,

1504
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be the weak link. And right now,

1505
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,799
Speaker 1: that other corner across from to day, this white seems

1506
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: like that's the weak link. Right, that's a good point.

1507
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: And I can count at least on one hand the

1508
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: number of people on our show over the last few

1509
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: months and say signed Josh Norman who said he has

1510
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: not played well for a couple of years. Right, A

1511
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: lot of people have said that I haven't watched him closely.

1512
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's accurate or not, but the

1513
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: perception by many is that he's kind of lost it

1514
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: a little bit at age thirty two. He is thirty two,

1515
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: and that maybe he does have a lot to prove.

1516
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: There are others to tell he wasn't in the right

1517
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: defensive system. They were using him away in which he's

1518
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: not a customed So there's a lot of questions about

1519
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: Josh Norman. Probably accounts for his forty seven percent lead

1520
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: in our poll, and Levi Walla said twenty one percent.

1521
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, does he the most approved. He's got

1522
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: to fight out for challenge. But he started, you know,

1523
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: he started the last season and a half. He started

1524
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: every game, twenty three consecutive games. This is not like

1525
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: a new territory like oh, it's your chance, and I'll

1526
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: leave out you're the starter. No, Levi Wallas going to

1527
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: start for a season and a half, started every single

1528
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: game at the last twenty three. What does he have

1529
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: to prove? Yeah, and also, by the way, Josh Norman's

1530
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: thirty two, but so he's at corner. It's hard to

1531
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: play at that age. There's just no two ways about it.

1532
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting. Levi Wallace is an interesting

1533
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: I think the fact that both those guys are the

1534
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: high percentage getters in this poll speaks to the fact

1535
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: of how important people think that spot is. You know that,

1536
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 1: I really do think there's some pressure. Whoever lines up

1537
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: over there is gonna have some pressure on some expectations

1538
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: to go with it. That people are people see that

1539
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: as a glaring question mark, not avoid not that they

1540
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 1: don't have anybody that can line up over there, but

1541
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: that's certainly a question mark. And I think the reason

1542
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: that you can say that Levi Wallace is under the

1543
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: most pressure is they brought Josh Norman in to compete

1544
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: for the job. They brought E. J. Gaines in to

1545
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: compete for the job. So somebody over at one Bill's

1546
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: Drive doesn't think that that spot's ready to be given

1547
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: to Levi Wallace. Again, they're bringing in pretty high profile

1548
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: guys to compete for that spot. That should say something.

1549
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: And I think for most of us, you know, we

1550
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: the statement's obvious. They want to get better at that spot.

1551
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: Got a tweet on the tweet sheet from j W.

1552
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: Socks says Wallace played very cautiously last year. I don't

1553
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: know about that, he says, I think Norman will replace

1554
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: him as a starter. Harrison Phillips might not be ready

1555
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: for the start of the season. I don't know about

1556
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: that either. Jas Norman is going to prove his critics wrong.

1557
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: J W. Socks all over the place, I don't know.

1558
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, have you heard that. Harrison Phillips, he might

1559
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: not be ready for the start of the season, but

1560
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: he was hurt what three weeks into last year and

1561
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: has had extensive rehabit. He spent most of the offseason,

1562
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: an offseason where it was not easy to do this,

1563
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: but he spent most of the offseason right in Orchard

1564
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: Park on site. Steve. If he's not ready, it won't

1565
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: be for lack of effort, that's right, and he'll be

1566
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: a full of what at least ten and a half

1567
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: months past the surgery when they start training camp, let

1568
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: alone a month later when they start the season, or

1569
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: wherever long it's gonna be. If they start the season,

1570
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: and the sports science and the trainers, they're gonna have

1571
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: him on a regiment that's gonna keep him healthy and

1572
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: fresh and make sure that he's ready to practice. When

1573
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: he practices, and when he needs time off, he'll get

1574
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,520
Speaker 1: time off. They'll baby him along and keep him healthy

1575
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: through training camp and get him sharp. So he's and

1576
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: think of think of what he's got on his plate

1577
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: and what his own you know, what his own desire

1578
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: to play well as life right now, it's got to

1579
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: be just skyrocketing, right. He's he wanted to play. Last year,

1580
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: he's on a good defense. Last year he had a

1581
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: chance to really spread his wings. Last year they were

1582
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: putting a little bit on his plate that he hadn't

1583
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: had his rookie season. He was thriving under that. They

1584
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: loved him, The coaching staff was raven about him, and

1585
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: it was all taken away. How much do you think

1586
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 1: he wants to play well? Right? I mean that his

1587
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: his his meter has got to be all the charts,

1588
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: So will I mean, I think he's I think he's

1589
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: primed to really bounce back and bounce back in a

1590
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: big way. I agree. Let's take a phone call here

1591
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: from Tim in Orchard Park. Hello, Tim, you're on the

1592
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: air with this go ahead. Hey guys, how you doing good? Good?

1593
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: Let me in? Hey, Um, you know I've found him.

1594
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: I was at game one at that Stageum. I actually

1595
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: I sat inside and watch them build it. So this

1596
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 1: really reminds me of the eighty seven eighty eight season,

1597
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: where you know, you got the right pieces put together,

1598
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: you got the really good coach, really good GM, great

1599
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: front office. You make the player, you know, play for

1600
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: the receiver, which is kind of like a lofting thing.

1601
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: Um At Oliver, I think is going to be the

1602
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: most improved player regardless of what just happened in Texas.

1603
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a big deal. Um. I ask

1604
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: if Steve aj Epanassa, you know what you reminding me

1605
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: when my first song was was Phil hands and as

1606
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 1: a boil ball. He looks just like Phil handsOn physically anyways.

1607
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: You know. So hopefully if we can get anything out

1608
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: of him, which I think we will, um, it'll be great.

1609
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: That's that's my only comments thank you, thank you. Well,

1610
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: yeah I said it. I mean I thought that's exactly

1611
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,879
Speaker 1: who he reminded me of as well. Is Phil Hanson.

1612
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: Um he I think he's built a little differently. He

1613
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: might be a hair bigger than Phil was or about

1614
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 1: the same side, maybe a little heavier, but um, both

1615
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: those guys have that steady, do the right thing technique

1616
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: driven game. Uh that is you know, like Bruce Smith

1617
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 1: was just a he had he had everything. He was

1618
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 1: an elite pass rusher. He had size, speed, bend, flexibility, technique.

1619
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: He would you know, Bruce was the total package very early.

1620
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: And Phil Hanson was a guy who was if would

1621
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: take advantage of every single mistake that his offensive lineman

1622
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: or the protection had against him. The guy never made

1623
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 1: mistakes and his motor ran really hot. Uf ajppenz. It

1624
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: can be a guy like Phil Hanson. I think the

1625
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: Bills would be really really happy with that draft pick

1626
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: throughout his career. Thank for your call. Eight oh three

1627
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: five fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty

1628
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: two five fifty Which Bill's defensive player has the most approved?

1629
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: Who's who's got the most approved this year? What do

1630
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: you think from JW. Socks on the tweet sheet. Um,

1631
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: you read that well, I read that. Yeah, yes she did.

1632
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: And Jeremiah, well, okay, at Oliver's in the huts. Sheat

1633
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: needs to come back strong after his possible suspension. Sure

1634
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: we said that. Jack A says, I think it's Harrison Phillips,

1635
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: former third rounder, largely invisible as a rookie, starting to

1636
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: show his talent in September last year and then suffered

1637
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: that knee injury. Now asked to work his way back

1638
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: without the benefit of the Bill's facility and staff. That's

1639
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: a tough ask. He will want to show he can contribute. Um,

1640
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: no conversation for this, but we had Harrison Phillips of

1641
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, Stephen, he was planning on returning.

1642
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: I believe yesterday, right is yesterday, seventeenth eighteen, right today?

1643
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 1: Maybe today? Yeah, he's his situation, Yeah, maybe with And

1644
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: he spent most of the time before the shutdown, Before

1645
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: the quarantine, he spent all of his time in Buffalo

1646
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: and West j York. So I think he's you know,

1647
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: I think they're keeping an eye on him. I think

1648
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: they're helping him get through is rhab. Yeah, Harrison was

1649
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: reminding me of all the guys that I played with

1650
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: back in the back in the mid eighties and late eighties,

1651
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: when there were no rules and you'd come back. Guys

1652
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: would just come back and start working out and use

1653
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: the facilities that you know, the gems and trainers and

1654
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: all that weren't as prevalent as they are today. And

1655
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: if guys wanted to get a really professional program, and

1656
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: they came to the stadium and let Rusty Jones do

1657
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: it for him. And he was really good at a

1658
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: very good at it, and a lot of guys made

1659
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: their careers for it. But Harrison Phillips, you and I

1660
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: would it was January February and all that. Harrison was

1661
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: there every day every day, ye know, there every day,

1662
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, so it was exactly like the

1663
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: guys I played with. He just didn't you know, I

1664
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: was worried. You get up in the morning, you have

1665
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 1: some breakfast, He's make your way over there and work out,

1666
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: you know. And h Harrison was doing that exact thing

1667
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 1: until until they shot everything down. Man, January February seems

1668
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: like a long time ago now, it doesn't. I think

1669
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: I was twenty five when this fourteen started right. We

1670
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: got a break here and then we're back. One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: didn't see it. I haven't seen I've all seen it.

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01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm waiting until you know what. Our producer,

1685
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: Jay Harris told me you did. He said it to me,

1686
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: he's the league. I'm not watching it until it's time.

1687
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: You want to be just like everybody else, I'm a

1688
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: man of the people. Murph yeah, I see, it's just

1689
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: real quick. I think what what fans are going to

1690
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,440
Speaker 1: really enjoy is it takes you inside the interview room

1691
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: with some of the draft picks Zach Moss, Gabe Davis,

1692
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: and aj Epinezza, which is uh, kind of interesting on

1693
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:34,759
Speaker 1: how they approached their interviews, the style from the Combine

1694
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: and there's a couple from the Senior Bowl and basically

1695
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: what they're looking for out of out of these players.

1696
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: There's there's kind of a theme of kind of a

1697
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder type player and you kind of

1698
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: get the behind the scenes story on on what these

1699
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 1: guys are looking to prove for themselves and uh at

1700
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: the next level in the NFL. So it's it's it's

1701
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: really interesting and I think you can take that away

1702
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: from all the embeddeds that has been put out and

1703
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: produced by Pogola Sports and Entertainment. So it's a really

1704
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: good look into this year's draft class. Okay, are you

1705
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: gonna watch it now? Steve Ye? Watching everybody though, Here's

1706
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: the thing I call tomorrow not interesting enough. What I

1707
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 1: want to do is see what these guys looking sound

1708
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: like in real life. Because we haven't been on TV,

1709
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: we haven't had to have him on the show. I

1710
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: don't even you know what they know? Looking sound like

1711
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: we've had him on the phone most of them, but

1712
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, I want to see him for real, you know,

1713
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: So I'm that's kind of interesting to me. Plus behind

1714
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: the curtain, well yeah, and it is behind the scenes.

1715
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: And I wonder if you're a rookie, if you're Zach

1716
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: Moss or a j F Andessa and you're at the

1717
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,719
Speaker 1: combine going through these interviews and there's a camera in there,

1718
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: do you think the fact that they're shooting and do

1719
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: they tell you they're going to do embedded it? Probably

1720
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: not right. If I'm a player hoping to be drafted,

1721
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: that's the last time my priorities. What do I look like?

1722
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: What should I say for a TV right, isn't it?

1723
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: I would say the team might tell the kids agent,

1724
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, say listen, we're shooting an embedded thing. Or

1725
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: maybe they tell him before he comes in and or listen,

1726
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,799
Speaker 1: when you arrived here, there's gonna be a camera crew outside.

1727
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: We're shooting a an embedded thing. Behind the scenes. Look

1728
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: at our draft, and we may if we take in

1729
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 1: the draft, we may, you know, we may use it

1730
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: in that that kind of thing. And you know, right,

1731
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: so you need needless to say. These guys are already

1732
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: on their best behavior, hoping to be drafted by the

1733
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: Bills or whoever they're talking to you. But so I

1734
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't think a camera in there would have much to

1735
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: do with the you know, how honest they are their answers,

1736
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna put their best foot forward, right Well, yeah,

1737
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: it's like a job interview, right right, So yeah, you

1738
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: kind of think they're on it to begin with anyway.

1739
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think it affects him that much.

1740
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, maybe they comb their hair different,

1741
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: I don't you know, or whatever. But other than that,

1742
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 1: you put on a better T shirt. I don't know.

1743
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a big issue for most

1744
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, Buffalo Bills Embedded is coming back. It's

1745
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: coming back tomorrow, the twenty twenty Draft Becoming a Bill

1746
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: presented by next Steva Tomorrow night at seven o'clock, available

1747
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: on the Bill's YouTube channel channel, available on Buffalo bills

1748
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: dot com as well. That right, I believe it is

1749
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: both at the same time, seven o'clock to mor night.

1750
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty Draft becoming a Buffalo bill. Look, this

1751
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: draft was so unusual there of course, there's a lot

1752
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: of things to uh then look at and talk about.

1753
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: How did they do that without meetings? How did they

1754
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: do that without you know, a real draft room. Right, Shoot,

1755
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch this, Steve. I don't care what you say.

1756
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. And the thing we talked about

1757
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: was the human element of it on draft day when

1758
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: you've got somebody, you know, you've got these general managers

1759
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: who are these top executives for these billion dollar companies, right,

1760
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: and they got their kids jumping around in the background

1761
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: high five and because they had a favorite guy that

1762
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: they wanted their dad to draft, right, yep. It's it's

1763
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 1: pretty fun to see that human element of it and

1764
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 1: how and I've experienced it, but it's really true. The

1765
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: fun part of it is, you know, to see a

1766
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: draft picks brothers and sisters and their moms and their

1767
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: dads and their extended families just jumping up and down,

1768
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: going crazy over it while the kids sitting there on

1769
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: the phone with his head down, you know, and just

1770
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: so cool to see you know, the the you know,

1771
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: the the us in all of us, you know, how

1772
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: how how much alike we all are? Yeah, except for

1773
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: running four four or forties and stuff. Yeah, except for

1774
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: the fact some of us are old and you know,

1775
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: can't do anything anymore. I can't even think in forty yards. Right,

1776
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, and when we come back,

1777
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: Jared Bell will join us. He is a reporter who

1778
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,440
Speaker 1: covers the NFL for USA Today. Jared Bell, NFL columnists

1779
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: for USA Today, standing by to join us when we

1780
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: come back. It is One Bill's Live presented by Palia Health,

1781
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 1: presented by Buffalo Bills Radio. From One Bill's Live, former

1782
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: Bills defensive end Ben Williams passed away yesterday. Died from

1783
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: natural causes. He was sixty five years old. Ben Williams

1784
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,919
Speaker 1: was a mainstay in the Bills defensive line for ten seasons.

1785
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: A third round pick out of Old miss, he was

1786
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: the first African American to be drafted out of the

1787
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: University of Mississippi. Played under head coach Chuck Knox and

1788
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: named two his first Pro Bowl in nineteen eighty two.

1789
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: He spent his entire NFL career with the Bills from

1790
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six to nineteen eighty five. Ben Williams passed

1791
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: away yesterday at the age of sixty five. NFL owners

1792
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: are meeting in a virtual setting today and they're officially

1793
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: ready to amend the Rooney Rule to require more interviews

1794
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: of minority candidates for head coaching and coordinator positions, reacting

1795
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: to a lack of diversity and hiring for those jobs.

1796
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: So leagu's going to require teams to interview at least

1797
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 1: two minority candidates from outside the organization for head coach openings.

1798
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: At least one minority candidate must be interviewed for a

1799
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 1: coordinator spot. NFL engineers and sports equipment company Oakley are

1800
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: testing prototypes of modified face masks that might contain surgical

1801
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 1: or N ninety five material. That's according to the NFL

1802
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: Players Association. There's going to be a recommendation that the

1803
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: NFL use such masks to protect players from coronavirus when

1804
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: they return to play. They're not exactly sure how the

1805
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: modifications will look, but they think it's realistic. The designs

1806
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: could cover a player's entire face mask. They're working on

1807
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: everything in design might entail, and the National Hockey League

1808
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 1: has narrowed its list of potential venues to eight or

1809
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: nine sites that can accommodate about a dozen teams in

1810
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: one location. That's if they resume play this Summer's still

1811
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: a great deal of uncertainty. Hockey says they're not ready

1812
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: to move this week. In recent days, the NHL have

1813
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: shifted is focused to a twenty fourteen field, which would

1814
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: include bubble teams like the black Hawk and Canadians, would

1815
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: not include the Buffalo Savers. And there you go. That

1816
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: is the update from one Bill's line. John Murphy steam tasker,

1817
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Ready to go with our number three, Ready to go

1818
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: with our next guest. He is an NFL columnist for

1819
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: USA Today's been with USA Today since nineteen ninety three.

1820
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: Happy to have Jared Bell on the line with us. Jared,

1821
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: John Murphy, steam tasker here in Buffalo. Thanks coming on this.

1822
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Hey man, what's happen and how you

1823
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: see how you're doing? When you're doing great? You handling

1824
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: there with all this lockdown and the isolation. Yeah, and

1825
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, hey, nobody wants to hear me booing about

1826
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: any of this. UM. I think the NFL has really

1827
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: been rather fortunate when you compare what's happened with the

1828
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: league versus other sports. I mean, we should be a

1829
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: month or so into the baseball season now, the NBA season,

1830
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: the NHL season. So the NFL has has been fortunate

1831
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: with the timing of all of this. And for us

1832
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: as reporters, this is the off season. Yes, there's the draft,

1833
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: and there's free agency and the things that, um, you know,

1834
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: revolve around that. But you know, most of my traveling,

1835
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: for example, is really during the season and you know,

1836
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: hadn't been anywhere now since the combine, and that is

1837
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: the deal. So it's so for me, like I said,

1838
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: not not that big of a deal as especially when

1839
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: compared to all of the hardships that so many people

1840
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: have been dealing with. Yeah, it just came over social

1841
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 1: media on Twitter, Jim Trotter saying that now the minority

1842
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: Rooney Rule amendments that they were considering have been tabled

1843
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: by the NFL owners. I mean, I it surprises me

1844
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: a little bit. Why do you think they tabled it

1845
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: and didn't address it? And was this the right rule

1846
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: to begin with? Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that they

1847
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: tabled it because when you think about everything that the

1848
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: NFL has had to deal with over the past a

1849
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: few weeks, and yeah, I just said, the NFL is

1850
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: unfortunate compared to other sports, but it still has been

1851
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, major in terms of the disruption and the

1852
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 1: adjustments and the planning for everything relative to this. Um

1853
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: not to say, not to diminish the importance of the

1854
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: issue by any stretch, but yeah, give themselves a little

1855
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: bit more time, because I think it's pretty obvious that

1856
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: there was some resistance from a philosophical standpoint, And you know,

1857
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I wrote a column on Saturday about not so much

1858
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: the Rooney wool part of it, but the incentive part

1859
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: of it. When you start talking about hiring you know,

1860
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: coaches and general managers of color, which you know, many

1861
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: of us who are interested in that, and many of

1862
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 1: us who have covered the league realize that it's been

1863
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, a disturbing trend, if you will. But all

1864
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: that said, if you talk about putting draft picks, you know,

1865
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 1: attaching that to a coach getting hired, I'm really concerned

1866
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: about the stigma that's there. I mean, you know, we've

1867
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 1: heard it for for a long term, a long time

1868
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: where people get criticized because they are you know, perceived

1869
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: to be quote unquote in affirmative action higher and things

1870
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: of that nature, and so I think that was going

1871
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: to be one of the things that if they passed,

1872
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: and I guess there's build possibility that they will, that

1873
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: is going to be difficult. So to table it, to

1874
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: get more input from more people, maybe they can come

1875
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: up with some other solutions. I don't have a problem

1876
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: with that right now. But the thing is, you know,

1877
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: we've been dealing with this issue for a long time

1878
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: and it's been there, and they've tried different things over

1879
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: the years. The running rule has not been as effective

1880
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: as it probably was designed to be. So if you

1881
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: add another you know, minority candidate that you have to interview, Okay,

1882
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 1: but is that really going to change it? Or a

1883
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: team just going to interview somebody else and still ultimately

1884
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: hire who they want. So the idea, yeah, you get

1885
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: more people in the pool, they listen to more, they

1886
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,759
Speaker 1: see more people, etcetera. Okay, not that bad of a problem.

1887
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,600
Speaker 1: But when you see situations like he did with the

1888
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Raiders for example, that's the hand the example of how

1889
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, Roger Goodell handled that. So for all of

1890
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: the talk that Goodell has expressed, if he were the

1891
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Speaker 1: sentiments he's expressed about wanting to change some things. He

1892
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to really send the statement when the

1893
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: Raiders hired John Gruden, who I, by the way, think

1894
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 1: was a great hire for the Raiders, but the process

1895
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: to get there was really, you know, an affront to

1896
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,320
Speaker 1: the spirit of the runing war when you had the

1897
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: GM dispatched to interview a college receivers coach for the

1898
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: head coaching job rather than the owner who was involved in,

1899
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, the interviews for the ultimate head coach and

1900
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 1: had been previously. So I just think it's things like that.

1901
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: You can kind of use the material at hand and

1902
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: the discipline that had sometimes to enforce the rule. So

1903
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I know it's a mouthful, but you know, I don't

1904
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: know exactly where this is going to be going forward. Jared,

1905
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 1: And look, I know it's not enough, but at least

1906
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: the League, Goodell and whoever proposed the incentivization of minority hires,

1907
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,839
Speaker 1: at least they've got everybody's attention now, and then everybody's

1908
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: sort of acknowledges, Hey, this isn't right, it's not working.

1909
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: We need to do something. The fact that it didn't,

1910
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: that it was table today indicates it probably wouldn't have

1911
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: passed among the owners and that's not enough, but at

1912
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 1: least they're moving towards finding something. Isn't that a positive development? Yeah? Yeah,

1913
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: I think there is a positive in that, and that

1914
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 1: the discussion is there and the brainstorming is there in

1915
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: terms of Okay, what do we do next? How do

1916
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: we do this? Was out the best ways to do it?

1917
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: So I think, yes, there there's some positives in that

1918
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: and will probably continue to be some positive out of that.

1919
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: Is there any thought and perhaps they did. Do you

1920
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: have any insight as to what voices does the league

1921
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: listen to and matters like this? Do they go to

1922
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,759
Speaker 1: prominent guys who have had success in the league, Guys

1923
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 1: like like Tony Dungee, Guys like Mike Tomlin who they

1924
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: could bounce ideas off of, who have been through that process,

1925
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,600
Speaker 1: Because it does seem like the pipeline to get to

1926
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:23,680
Speaker 1: the NFL head coaching position seems, if not tied in

1927
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: the knot for minorities at least maybe it's bent, you know,

1928
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: the pipeline. So how have they talked to guys like

1929
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 1: that and about how they could improve it in a

1930
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: way that makes a lot of sense and is equitable. Yeah,

1931
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: they talked to a lot of people, and I know

1932
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: that for a fact is you know, the Fritz Polert Alliance,

1933
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: which is now headed by Rock Grays, who was a

1934
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: former Arizona Cornel's GM work in the League office for

1935
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:54,919
Speaker 1: a number of years. So he's now replaced John Wooton

1936
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: as the you know, the lead executive for the Fritz

1937
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: Polat Alliance, which has been in existence now for a

1938
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 1: couple of decades and really kind of spurs of Rooney Boule.

1939
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: So they obviously they talked to him. And then are

1940
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: people within the League office to like Troy Benson is one,

1941
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: but as you mentioned, Tony Dunzy, they they've actually had

1942
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: a number he's been on a committee. Forget what the

1943
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: exact name of the committee is, but a committee of

1944
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: people and not just minority people either. I mean, you know,

1945
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 1: a Bill Polian or Ernie air Cores, you know sometimes

1946
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 1: a year some of the same names. When when the

1947
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: NFL starts getting these committees together, and it's kind of like, okay,

1948
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:38,799
Speaker 1: you might have to go outside of that even more.

1949
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: But one of the things that's interesting too, you know,

1950
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: you look at your coach in Buffalo, Sean McDermott, who

1951
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 1: I've always had a good vibe about back going back

1952
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: to when he was with Philadelphia, and um, you know,

1953
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: just really struck me as a you know, a good leader,

1954
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: a great community cater, positive guys. You know. So you

1955
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: always saw a guy like that, um as you know,

1956
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 1: potentially rising to the level that he has as a

1957
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: head coach. And there are others, I mean you can

1958
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: say the same thing about you know, some minority coaches

1959
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,560
Speaker 1: like a Mike Tomlin too U and or or some

1960
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: that you know. So you sometimes you see these young

1961
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 1: guys coming up and you say, yeah, that that guy's

1962
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 1: got you know, a little buzz about him that's going

1963
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 1: to make him worth watching. And so all that's good. Now,

1964
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: the three people are just the name. Two of them

1965
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: are defensive guys, you know, with defensive background McDermott and Tomlin.

1966
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: What you hear now is this, you know, fascination with

1967
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches and offensive guys, which you can't diminish that

1968
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: because that's part of the game. But the most successful

1969
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL is Bill Belichech, and he came

1970
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 1: from the defensive side. Um. The minority coaches who've had

1971
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: the most success in the NFL, Tony Dunze who we've mentioned,

1972
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 1: Lovey Smith, herm Atwards, Tomlins won a Super Bowl. I

1973
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 1: mean they came from the defensive side. So I think

1974
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 1: the thinking, in my opinion, really needs to be on

1975
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 1: trying to find and trying to facilitate leaders of men

1976
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: and leaders of organizations, as opposed to trying to just

1977
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: you know, pigeonhole the profile of who should be the

1978
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: type of coach down Sean McVay, offensive guy, hands on

1979
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:30,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback. No problem with that obviously, But I just

1980
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 1: think if the people who are in charge can expand

1981
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: their thinking to not so much look for just that prototype,

1982
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: then that would that would be helpful. And then again,

1983
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: if you're looking for that prototype, why not Jim Carwell

1984
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 1: had so successful quarterback, but he's not he's not young.

1985
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: You know some of the other guys that have gotten

1986
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 1: opportunities in recent years of the you know, young guys

1987
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: with their hands on quarterback. So um, you know, I

1988
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 1: think the bottom line for all of us is that

1989
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: you want to have an open mind. You don't want

1990
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: to have discriminatory barriers put out there because of a

1991
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:10,600
Speaker 1: position or age or something like that, and and just

1992
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: really kind of explore from that standpoint to where you

1993
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 1: really are giving great opportunities to great guys, and you've

1994
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: got one in Buffalo and Leslie Fraser defensive guy, right,

1995
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: who has some experience as a head coach. For the

1996
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: life of me, I don't know why he hasn't gotten

1997
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: more traction either as a head coach candidate, but I

1998
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 1: guess he doesn't work with quarterbacks. We're live on the

1999
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: line with Jared Bell, NFL columnists for USA Today. Hey, Jared,

2000
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: let me change the topics here for a second, back

2001
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: to coronavirus. You wrote an interesting post last week. NFL

2002
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: stadiums faced monumental task when football returns, easing fear. We

2003
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: haven't talked about that much. We talked about all the

2004
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: hurdles the teams have to overcome to get players ready

2005
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 1: to play and to get people in the stadiums, but

2006
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: nobody has really talked about that about fans just not

2007
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,640
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable going into a stadium, Right, That's that's a

2008
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 1: big issue. Yeah, it really is. And you know, not

2009
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: only for the NFL obviously, but you know society at large,

2010
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 1: and you know, you can see the reaction of some

2011
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: people if you just watch the news channels right, And

2012
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 1: when some of these states have opened up, people are

2013
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: in bars and they've got no masks and they're all

2014
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: on top of each other. So you definitely have some

2015
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 1: people who you know, a gung hole and that's how

2016
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 1: they approach it. Was other people, and maybe older people,

2017
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: which I would suggest too, are a bit more hesitant, conservative, fearful,

2018
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 1: And so that's going to be a thing because when

2019
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:43,559
Speaker 1: you talk about an NFL stadium, especially at capacity, and yes,

2020
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 1: there's been to talk about having games without fans, which

2021
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: it seems like that's the leader in the clubhouse of

2022
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: how this may go, and then the other thing being

2023
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe half full stadiums and ultimately full stadiums. But let's

2024
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: just talk about fourth stadiums for a minute. When you

2025
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 1: talk about having sixty seventy eighty thousand people and what

2026
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:09,480
Speaker 1: that means and what that looks like in this environment,

2027
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: So let's and we're talking about an environment at the

2028
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: moment without a vaccine. Even though there's more testing now

2029
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 1: and more awareness, it's still a process. And so the

2030
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 1: NFL is going to be right smack in the middle

2031
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 1: of that. So the story that you mentioned, I talked

2032
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Falcons CEO of the Mercedes ben Stadium

2033
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: and the Falcons really have a great reputation around the

2034
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 1: league for being fan friendly and you know, being on

2035
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: top of the pulse of the fans and having a

2036
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: great game day experience. And that's why I reached out

2037
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: to them and they talked about some of the things

2038
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 1: that they are considering, some things they've already implemented just

2039
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 1: based on technology over the past couple of years and

2040
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: having a state of the yard stadium and the gist

2041
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: of it, there's a couple of things that are really key.

2042
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: One contact act less engagements, if you will, with the fans,

2043
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 1: and by that I mean, um, you know, you have

2044
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: your ticket on your telephone and you you scan it

2045
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: as you go into the gate. You get to concessions

2046
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's a castless thing. They had castless concessions

2047
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 1: at Mercedes Bend Stadium in Atlanta last year in pre pandemic,

2048
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: and so that will um escalate throughout the league probably

2049
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: as you know, more teams ramp up and try to

2050
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 1: figure out ways to make things safer for fans. But

2051
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: the big fear is going to be, Hey, I'm in

2052
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:38,400
Speaker 1: a in a stadium and I've got you know, elbow

2053
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 1: to elbow in sexually one twenty three, and I don't

2054
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 1: know if the guy next to me is you know,

2055
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: asymptomatic or a symptomatic you know, UM. And so I

2056
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:52,520
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that's going to be really interesting

2057
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: to see in terms of how willing people are going

2058
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: to be to come to States. There will be some

2059
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: rabid fans and you know, in buffal you got to

2060
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 1: massa up there and you've got some of the you know,

2061
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: most passionate fans in the NFL. UM. So it will

2062
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how it plays in places like Buffalo.

2063
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 1: Kansas City comes to mind as a place with a

2064
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 1: real you know, rather saning base. Green Bays another in

2065
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Dallas is another and so some of those places would

2066
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: really be UM touchdowns for how you know, accepting it

2067
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 1: will be for fans, but the NFL teams, and like

2068
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: I said, this goes across the board in the sports landscape, UM,

2069
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 1: they are going to really have to convince fans that

2070
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: we've done everything possible to make this a safe environment.

2071
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: And that is a tough task because every day you

2072
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: learned something new about Hey, the virus can be transmitted

2073
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:49,799
Speaker 1: through the air, and then the molecules lager for twelve

2074
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: minutes and so on and so forth. So yeah, So

2075
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 1: so this wearing those masks, I think that's probably the

2076
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 1: one thing we're going to see that NFL games and

2077
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,759
Speaker 1: people wearing masks, and you know, people will get creative

2078
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 1: because they'll be like, buffle up bills masks. And that's

2079
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 1: my next job. I'm gonna get due licensing and start

2080
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: doing bills masks for everybody. Yeah, Jerry, you said you

2081
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 1: said earlier that the NFL was fortunate in the timing

2082
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: of this. Certainly it started right at the beginning of

2083
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 1: the of the football off season, and even now they

2084
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: are benefiting from the timing. And I think one more

2085
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: benefit that they will be able to watch maybe Major

2086
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: League Baseball try and pull off games without fans or

2087
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: partially populated stands. They'll be able to watch the NBA,

2088
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: They'll be able to watch the NHL how they handle it.

2089
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: And as you said, we learned something new every day

2090
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: with this virus. Maybe the NFL is in a perfect

2091
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:50,679
Speaker 1: position to learn something from the other sports leagues about

2092
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 1: how to open things back up. And they don't have

2093
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 1: to make any decisions until somebody else has to make

2094
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 1: those decisions. Yeah. Yeah. And the one thing that I'm

2095
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: just really sensing, and you know, kind of watching these

2096
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: other sports myself, it's just the resistance or if that's

2097
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,720
Speaker 1: too sort of a word, just the concern among players

2098
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: as to whether or not they want to get back

2099
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 1: on the field and under what conditions. I know in

2100
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: baseball has it's been talked about for weeks. You know,

2101
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: there was that old thing for a while about okay,

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Speaker 1: put all the teams and in Arizona and Florida and

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Speaker 1: have everybody stayed there for the season, and you know,

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Speaker 1: players pretty much rejected that. Well, the NFL is going

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01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 1: to have to have a you know, come to the

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01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 1: mountain moment with their with their players in terms of

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01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 1: what's acceptable, what's not, what safeguards are going to be there,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it may be more difficult in the

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Speaker 1: NFL start with training camp with eighty players, right, and

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01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: then you talk about the regular season roster of fifty

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01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: three and track a squad and all of that. And

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Speaker 1: so that's going to be a real interesting deal. One

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01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: of the things that I caught wind of just from

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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter's podcast with Tim There, the NFL PA's medical advisor,

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01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 1: who revealed that Oakley, the sunglassmaker and maker of other products,

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01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:23,759
Speaker 1: is developing face shields that could be used on NFL

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01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: helmets that are specifically designed for the virus and managing that.

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01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: And I mean, we're wearing masks now, why not trying

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Speaker 1: to develop something that can be you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: specific to football and the needs there. And so that's

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01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 1: a very interesting thing that I hadn't heard about until

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01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 1: just within the past day. And so things like that

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01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 1: are going to be in the mix here. Roger Goodelle

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01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 1: put out a memo I guess it was a week

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01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: or ten days ago, maybe more than a week ago,

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01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 1: ten days ago or whatever, in terms of outlining all

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01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: of the things that had to be in place for

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01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,440
Speaker 1: team facilities to reopen. And you guys know that intimately

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01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, all of the different requirements and guidelines that

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01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 1: have to be in place, including having you know, an

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01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 1: expert on site who is really going to be your

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01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, your virus google for lack of a better term,

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01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, making sure everything is in place.

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01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 1: And so that's one of the things when I think

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Speaker 1: about the other sports and listen to what the players

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01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 1: concerns have been I know it's right around the corner

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01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: for the NFL to to have to tackle these issues too.

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Speaker 1: And jo I want to ask you, and you wrote

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01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: about this too a couple of weeks ago about the rookies,

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01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 1: the recent draft picks from last month, and you know,

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01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: most teams have had some semblance of a rookie minicamp

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01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 1: since then. There were some people worried that the rookies

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01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: won't get a fair shake at you know, proving themselves

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01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 1: that doing their best this year. And yet you point

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01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: out that in two eleven when the NFL was out

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01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 1: rookies in NAM camp until you know the bear end,

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01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 1: what was a two or three weeks of training camp,

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01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: and there were plenty of rookies who had good twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven seasons, right yeah, yeah, and you know that class.

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Speaker 1: I remember, like Cam Newton was the number one pick

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01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: and then his first game he set the rookie record,

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01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: right um, one of the funniest things I heard. And

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01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: it was a bit different then than now. I mean,

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01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 1: there's many similarities because you don't have the players in

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01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: the building, right, you can't work them out, no mini

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01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: camps and all that. So, yes, that is similar um,

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Speaker 1: But it illustrated a couple of things. Number One, if

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Speaker 1: you are a talent you get on the field, you

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01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,559
Speaker 1: are probably going to be one of the best ones,

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Speaker 1: or you know that talent is going to take you

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01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:48,680
Speaker 1: places right. Um. But one of the funniest things I

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01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: heard from twenty eleven was how Cam Newton was working

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01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: out with Steve Smith was the flamboyant receiver formum receiving

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01:49:56,040 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: now and um, you know, they worked out together during

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Speaker 1: general and before training camp, all of that, and it

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01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: really helped them, and so much to the fact that H. C.

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01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: Smith was telling me that Cam's father was out there

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01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: running windsprints with them and that sort of thing. So

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01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 1: you had, you know, players that were able. If you

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01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,599
Speaker 1: think back to that lockout, a lot of the players

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Speaker 1: organized their own mini camps and their own workout sessions.

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Speaker 1: And I just saw a post today about Tom Brady

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01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: working out with you know, a bunch of special skill

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Speaker 1: players at a high school in Tampa, and I imagine

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01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 1: you're going to have more of that, especially as these

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Speaker 1: states begin to open up. So that's going to be good.

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Speaker 1: So when you talk about the rookies and what kind

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Speaker 1: of impact they can have, it's possible. The guys who

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Speaker 1: have picked in the first round, um, you know they

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01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 1: will pick that that high before a reason. The guys

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01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 1: I would be more worried about are the guys who

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01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: are late round pigs, free agents who are trying to

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01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: do whatever they can with the odds against them of

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01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: making the team, to get those opportunities to make that

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01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 1: impression and one of the real possibilities. I think it's

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01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: just my opinion. As they move forward a year, I

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01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 1: think the first thing that could go when you talk

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01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 1: about adjusting the NFL schedule might be cutting the preseason

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01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 1: and half. I mean it would not surprise me. I

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01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:23,839
Speaker 1: haven't heard that. This is like, you know, something that's imminent.

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01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 1: But when you kind of you know, read the tea

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01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 1: leaves and follow what's been going on, you say, okay, well,

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01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: where could they cut this thing down a little bit

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01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 1: to ensure that they have a little bit more time

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01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: to prepare for whatever and so on and to transition back.

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01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,720
Speaker 1: And you know, there's been so much talk over the

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01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:47,479
Speaker 1: years about the preseason being worthless and you know, tell

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Speaker 1: that to the guy who is the sixth round fick

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Speaker 1: trying to make the thing. But point then that has

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01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 1: been you know, one of the things that has been

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Speaker 1: talked about for a while, reducing the preseason and might

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01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, force them to really take a hard look

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01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: at that. So all that to say, how will that

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01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:09,840
Speaker 1: effect a rookie who is really trying to get those

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01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 1: reps and trying to you know, make that impression. That

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01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: may be tough. But there was one guy from twenty

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01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: eleven whom I quoted in the story because it just

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01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 1: hit me. It was Richard Sherman. He made the team

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Speaker 1: as a fifth round pick with the Citahawks and it

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01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,840
Speaker 1: ended up being like all rookie and you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal career he's had, you know, since then. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the rookies might be behind the eight ball a little bit,

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01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 1: but they can catch up. Is there any demands that

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01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 1: you can see that the players union would make or

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01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,120
Speaker 1: is there a list of things that they will tolerate

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01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 1: from the NFL about return to work? Iman, what do

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01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: you think the players stance will be? You said Major

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01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: League Baseball gave some pushback, got some pushback from their players.

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01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:58,639
Speaker 1: What do you anticipate from the NFL players about returning

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01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: to work? Are there any demands that you would think

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01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: that they will make or and what do you think

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: they're level level of tolerance will be about what they'll allow. Yeah,

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01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I haven't really dug too deeply

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01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 1: into that specifically, but have been thinking about it and

2225
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,599
Speaker 1: know that it's it's one of those things. I think

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01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: most of it is going to, um, you know, revolve

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01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 1: around safety. You know, what happens if you know one

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01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 1: of the teammates, UM, you know comes down with the virus.

2229
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 1: And then when you look at the way NFL teams

2230
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 1: are positioned or headquartered, if you will, with the locker

2231
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 1: rooms where you know you might have you know, sixty

2232
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: something guys cramped into a room. World, is there going

2233
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,639
Speaker 1: to be a need to you know, space that out?

2234
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 1: And you know, have a whatever size of bills wanting

2235
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,200
Speaker 1: is now and every team in the NFL for that matter,

2236
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:50,639
Speaker 1: you know, do you need another one the same size

2237
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: and you know space these guys out. I think maybe

2238
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 1: things like that will be the concern. What happens on

2239
01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 1: the field, if there's equipment or not. Okay, that's good UM.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, the Goodell memo from a couple

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01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 1: of weeks ago really kind of spelled out a couple

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01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: of things right off the back in terms of if

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01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: you have someone who test positive, how you start trying

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01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: to trace the people they were in contact with. And

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01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 1: that's kind of consistent with what we hear, uh in

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01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 1: a broader sense from the experts, you know, with the

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01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:28,720
Speaker 1: government and whatnot. And so those sorts of things will

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01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 1: probably be at the heart of the issue, I would

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01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 1: imagine for NFL players. But it is a good question,

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01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 1: and obviously it's it's going to be uh, something that

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01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 1: they're going to have to really, you know, get their

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01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: heads together. But the good thing is that the nfl

2253
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: PA and the NFL's medical staff, headed by Alan Sills,

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01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: they've kind of worked you know together on this and

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01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, for as much friction that there has been

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Speaker 1: over the years traditionally, however, you want to say, between

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01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 1: the NFL and the nfl PA, one of the things

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01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 1: that those two sides have really kind of worked together

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01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 1: on for a number of years, with you know, some

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01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: synergy has been some of these health and safety issues.

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01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 1: So headed by doctor Mayor who I mentioned in Allen Sills,

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01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I think that they've they've they've worked together with some

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01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: other experts as they've gone on and addressing this pandemic already,

2264
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: and they'll obviously be doing that moving forward. I suspect

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01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 1: y'll recovered a lot of grounds when they get to

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01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 1: talking about Hey, when they get to talking about the

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01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: salary cap for next year, that makes some back, but

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll see that. Thanks for this, Jared, We really

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01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it. No, hey, I appreciate you guys having me

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Speaker 1: stay safe. Okay, you too, Thanks Jared. Jared Bell, NFL

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Speaker 1: columnists for USA Today, has been with them since nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety three. Man, we covered a lot of territories. See,

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01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:00,600
Speaker 1: we didn't get into salary caps, right about that. We

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01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 1: covered up virtually everything else. And yeah, he's also one

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01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame selectors, and we're gonna ask

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01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: him about all the contingency plans they have because they

2277
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 1: they're trying to induct, you know, four times and amount

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01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 1: of players that they usually do, and they had all

2279
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 1: kinds of plans set up, and now we've heard they've

2280
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 1: got a ton of contingency plans depending on how this

2281
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 1: thing winds up at the summer is summer's then, So

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01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to talk about that with him.

2283
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:28,720
Speaker 1: Either you know what, and this is just a we

2284
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 1: may lose, right the Hall of Fame game, and it's

2285
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:34,480
Speaker 1: August six, Cowboys in Pittsburgh, and I probably wouldn't watch it.

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01:56:34,520 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't either. But there's a thing in two

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01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: eleven during the lockdown, that was the only game that

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01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:42,600
Speaker 1: got canceled. And yeah, all right, big deal, it's a

2289
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 1: preseason game. But you know it's we get four four

2290
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 1: preseason games a year here in Buffalo two at home.

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01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 1: We don't care, you know, all miss a preseason game. Okay,

2292
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 1: good in Canton that matters. That's the only big game

2293
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 1: they have. It's the biggest weekend of the year and

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01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,120
Speaker 1: cat So I'm kind of hoping that game is preserved.

2295
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll if it will be August six,

2296
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 1: pretty early in August, right, first game of the season.

2297
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: I hope they do something to salvage that. But it's

2298
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's doing not everybody, But there's a large

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01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: list of cities like that, Canton, Ohio, Louisville, Kentucky in

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01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: the derby, yeah, you know, Indianapolis and Final four. You

2301
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:21,919
Speaker 1: can go down the list. Yeah, Gusta, Georgian and the Masters,

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01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 1: although they say they postponed it, you know. I mean

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01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 1: there's a ton of stuff that has been like that,

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01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, the impact. You never really know

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01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 1: if unless you're involved in that stuff, you don't really feel.

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01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 1: But man, oh man, we kind of the only place

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01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:37,360
Speaker 1: we feel it is in our internal calendar, you know,

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01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: is what we're looking for, our next big thing that

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01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: we're kind of get used to seeing, and it's and

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01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 1: it's just not there. Did you see what the Baseball

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01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is doing this year? And it's a

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01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:47,000
Speaker 1: big year for the Baseball Hall of Fame. Derek Jeter

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01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,360
Speaker 1: is supposed to go in. It'd be a huge attendance

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Speaker 1: at the Baseball Hall of Fame, right for Jeter, everybody

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01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 1: drive up from New York. They're not doing it this year.

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01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna wait until next year. They won't even have

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01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,160
Speaker 1: an environment ceremony, not at all, Not at all. They'll

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01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: just trying this year's candidate's next year and they just

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01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 1: double up next year. I don't know if they'll double up.

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01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 1: I think they'll just take the class of twenty twenty

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01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 1: and make them the class of twenty one. Interesting, Yeah,

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01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 1: And there's talk at least outside of Canton and maybe

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01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 1: doing something like that. As you said, they've got a

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01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 1: they've got a big class, bigger than normal now with

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Speaker 1: two different votes, two different two different classes. Really going

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01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:26,440
Speaker 1: to the centennial class that's going what is it twenty guys? Right? Yeah,

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01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 1: and then the normal class of six or eight is

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01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 1: five or six. They're going in the ships three times

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01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 1: or there's probably as much as many as seven. Wow.

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01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,640
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's too bad, because I you know, kind

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01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:41,880
Speaker 1: of makes sense to like save it, don't don't you think?

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01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:44,200
Speaker 1: I think so. I think base and then look, I

2333
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 1: know baseball. And again a lot of this is about

2334
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 1: Jeter in baseball because he's going to get such a

2335
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 1: big crowd that they're thinking, well, we're not gonna do it,

2336
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, virtually or not everybody here. You know, we'll

2337
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 1: just wait a year and they can they can afford

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01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 1: to right and believe me, and you've been there, I've

2339
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,839
Speaker 1: been there, Canton. I'm sure we'll take the city, the hotels,

2340
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:04,800
Speaker 1: the restaurants that it'll be a huge hit. If they

2341
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,720
Speaker 1: don't get a Hall of Fame weekend, it'll really be

2342
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 1: a blow to them, Yes it will, but I think

2343
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 1: it makes more sense to do it up bigger than

2344
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 1: next year, right, and rather than just skip it all together.

2345
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. All right, we gotta

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01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 1: break care and then we're back One Bill's Live percentI

2347
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:29,360
Speaker 1: by Collid to Health. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. We're

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01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,880
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live, John Murphy's Team Tasker Company a radio

2349
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 1: only today and coming here from our homes. This is

2350
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 1: the way we do it now. Hey, the NFL owners

2351
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 1: had this virtual meeting going on. Now they're not meeting

2352
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: none together, but so earlier, about forty minutes ago on

2353
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:47,000
Speaker 1: the show, we mentioned that the plan to incentifize minority

2354
01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 1: hires to upgrade your draft position. If you hire a

2355
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:53,480
Speaker 1: minority coach of GM's that's table. That's not happening. But

2356
01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:58,240
Speaker 1: the league has approved some parts of the Steve let

2357
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: me read, yeah hand the Rooney Rule enhancement to the

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02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 1: Rooney Rule, um clubs now required to interview at least

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02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 1: two external minority candidates for a head coach vacancy, at

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02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 1: least one minority candidate for any of the three coordinators vacancies,

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02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:15,560
Speaker 1: and at least one external minority candidate for senior football

2362
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: apps or general manager position, well, it's an expansion of

2363
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:22,640
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule. That's a step in the right direction. Right, Yeah,

2364
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 1: and those some of that stuff has been tabled, but

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02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 1: they have you know, these are approved. They tabled the

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Speaker 1: rapid Right, all these are approved. There's a couple three

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02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 1: three other things that about how it is now that

2368
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:41,080
Speaker 1: you know. For instance, we were just talking about it

2369
02:00:41,120 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: off the air. The Giants wanted to hire Brian day

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02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:46,440
Speaker 1: Ball away from the Buffalo Bills this last offseason. The

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02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: Bills blocked it. This is also the offseason where Brian

2372
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:54,440
Speaker 1: day Ball was a finalist for the head coaching job

2373
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:57,840
Speaker 1: in Cleveland for the Browns. You and I talked kind

2374
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 1: of jokingly about what it looks like Brian dables Up

2375
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:06,320
Speaker 1: should get a bump in his salary. But now there's

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02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 1: more language in the in this resolution that says the

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02:01:09,480 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: teams can't block that stuff. If the guy's going for

2378
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:15,160
Speaker 1: even if for a sideways job, he's going from an

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02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:23,280
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator to offensive coordinator position on another team, then uh,

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02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:26,720
Speaker 1: you can't block it. Because I think it's an acknowledgment

2381
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:29,440
Speaker 1: that one situation may be better for a coach than another,

2382
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: and if they want to do it, they can take it.

2383
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:36,200
Speaker 1: You can't not let them go. Also, a non high

2384
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:40,440
Speaker 1: level or non secondary football executive from an interview for

2385
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:43,040
Speaker 1: a Bona Fight assistant general managers. That means we couldn't

2386
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 1: block um Joe Shane from interviewing for an assistant general

2387
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:52,920
Speaker 1: managership and another team, or a full fledged general manager's

2388
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:58,480
Speaker 1: positioned for another team. Um. And also it also, now

2389
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 1: here's an interesting thing, and I didn't know about it,

2390
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:05,800
Speaker 1: but now every team in the league, Murph has to

2391
02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:11,280
Speaker 1: describe the structure of their coaching staff and the responsibilities

2392
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 1: given to each guy. So that and they have to

2393
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 1: submit that to the league. And in doing so, that

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02:02:18,360 --> 02:02:23,680
Speaker 1: means when they go to another coach another team, that

2395
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:26,440
Speaker 1: other team has that same position, that position will have

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02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:28,840
Speaker 1: to be described to the league so that they can

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02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,040
Speaker 1: evaluate whether it's a sideways move or an upward move,

2398
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:37,200
Speaker 1: or whether it's being a hindrance to a guy's upward mobility.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, I want to see Bill Belichick describes

2400
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:43,520
Speaker 1: what every single person does. Here's my son, here's what

2401
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: he does. There's got to be two hundred people on that.

2402
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 1: In Austril. Here's my one son who's in charge of

2403
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 1: watching the other team. Warm up about fifteen twenty minutes

2404
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:53,360
Speaker 1: for a kickoff and get chased off the field by

2405
02:02:53,400 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. This guy. This guy, uh, this, this person

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02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 1: videotapes the walkthrough Super Bowl fifty six opponent. This guy,

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02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:09,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's amazing. This guy monitors

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02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 1: the media content of the AFC East guys steps up

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02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 1: the camera in the press box anyway, guys, guys in

2410
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:22,920
Speaker 1: charge of eavesdropping of the opponent's press box in three

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02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:25,919
Speaker 1: weeks before we play them. They're trying to enhance diversity

2412
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:29,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL's Workplace Diversity Committee, compris of owners and

2413
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:32,560
Speaker 1: executive personnel. Art Rooney of the Steelers is the chairman.

2414
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:36,879
Speaker 1: Bill's owner Kim Pagoula is on that committee, the Diversity Committee,

2415
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:40,040
Speaker 1: workpliz Diversity Committee. They're the ones responsible for these changes today.

2416
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 1: Nothing revolutionary. They stabled the proposal that was out there

2417
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:48,560
Speaker 1: to incentivize minority hires with draft picks, which I think

2418
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody agrees is a pretty good deal, but interesting change.

2419
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:56,760
Speaker 1: There's um Jared Bell said last segment. They're at least

2420
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,520
Speaker 1: trying to do something about what they recognize they have

2421
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:00,880
Speaker 1: a problem. They have a problem trying to do. Yeah,

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02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: they do, they do, and it's and I think it's

2423
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:11,839
Speaker 1: the position has become untenable. Um. And I think certainly,

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02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:15,839
Speaker 1: perhaps in some way, shape or form, the the system

2425
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 1: is somehow bent. I mentioned where bent or not a

2426
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:23,880
Speaker 1: shut that the pipeline is. But there's no question, Uh,

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02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:27,240
Speaker 1: something doesn't add up. Uh, And I don't I don

2428
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 1: don't know that it is simple as just saying, Uh,

2429
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:33,920
Speaker 1: these owners don't have any black friends, so they don't

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02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,680
Speaker 1: want to hire any black employees. I don't know, because

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02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, right, the whole the whole league is filled

2432
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:44,840
Speaker 1: with great people who happen to be black. Yeah and white. Yeah.

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02:04:45,240 --> 02:04:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's so I don't know. I don't know

2434
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 1: if it's that simple. I know it's somewhere. And we

2435
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:51,560
Speaker 1: got a guess tomorrow and I'm glad we have him

2436
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 1: on tomorrow. Dominique Foxworth, Jay Harris is our producers set

2437
02:04:54,640 --> 02:04:56,640
Speaker 1: it up. Did Jay just open up your mic for

2438
02:04:56,680 --> 02:04:58,640
Speaker 1: a second. Tell me where Dominiques working these days? Do

2439
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:00,240
Speaker 1: you know him? See played in the NF. Well, I

2440
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 1: think he was a defensive back. He is really intelligent.

2441
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 1: And that where's he working? He's doing some stuff for ESPN,

2442
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:08,760
Speaker 1: and then he writes for The Undisputed all right, all right, ESPN.

2443
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 1: Now Joy you remember, I think it is when the

2444
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 1: Bills were in the market for a head coach and

2445
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,520
Speaker 1: they wound up with Ret Ryan. But we were talking

2446
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:16,760
Speaker 1: to Dominic Foxworth on the show one day here, I

2447
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,080
Speaker 1: think it was before you were here, Steve. He had

2448
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:23,760
Speaker 1: a whole proposal about grooming the next head coaches. You know,

2449
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:26,600
Speaker 1: you can't think because a guy is a good defensive coordinator,

2450
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,320
Speaker 1: he's going to be a great head coach. Same thing

2451
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:31,160
Speaker 1: on offense, grooming head coaches and what it takes a

2452
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 1: groom and head coach. And I think somewhere the answer

2453
02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:36,000
Speaker 1: to the minority issue was in there. I'd be really

2454
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:38,600
Speaker 1: eager to hear what Dominic Foxworth says about that. I

2455
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:42,800
Speaker 1: think I think it's a little bit of cronyism. It's

2456
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:45,000
Speaker 1: probably a little bit like the owner doesn't have many

2457
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:48,560
Speaker 1: minority friends. But it's more I think it's just this

2458
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:50,480
Speaker 1: is what we do. You know, we take the hot

2459
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:52,840
Speaker 1: young coordinator offens or defense and make him a head

2460
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:55,160
Speaker 1: coach without thinking about who's going to be a really

2461
02:05:55,200 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 1: good head coach. You know, those are fortunate Sean McDermott,

2462
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:01,920
Speaker 1: a really good defensive coordinator a couple of years ago,

2463
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:04,200
Speaker 1: had what it takes to be a good head coach

2464
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 1: as well. But they don't all I I can't. I

2465
02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:08,560
Speaker 1: really look forward to talking about Dominique Foxworth about this

2466
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:12,200
Speaker 1: tomorrow brings to mind what one of the I think,

2467
02:06:12,280 --> 02:06:15,400
Speaker 1: maybe Sam Weish or somebody we had had on the

2468
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,560
Speaker 1: show talking about Bill Walsh back in San Francisco, and

2469
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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh is there and he was the head coach,

2470
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 1: and he said, and he's and Bill Walsh told his

2471
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,160
Speaker 1: guys say, listen, if you want to be a head coach,

2472
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 1: go be a head coach, even if it's at Division one,

2473
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 1: Division two, Go be a head coach and do it.

2474
02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:36,440
Speaker 1: And you know, because and his make was, it's not

2475
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:40,000
Speaker 1: about If it's not about the money, then go be

2476
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:43,280
Speaker 1: a head coach. You know. If it's about the money,

2477
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 1: well you're talking about something else now, right, So go

2478
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:49,040
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. If you want to be

2479
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:52,000
Speaker 1: a Division two, Division three, Division one, Major College Pack twelve,

2480
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: Big twelve sec, go be a head coach. And that

2481
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,720
Speaker 1: was his He said, certainly you'll you know, you're going

2482
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,520
Speaker 1: to find a job if you want one and hit.

2483
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:05,800
Speaker 1: But his thought was, don't like work into slots and

2484
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:07,880
Speaker 1: expect to be promoted from it because you gotta go.

2485
02:07:08,600 --> 02:07:10,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to leave to go be a head

2486
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:13,400
Speaker 1: coach because nobody's gonna give the job up. That was

2487
02:07:13,480 --> 02:07:16,680
Speaker 1: a sandwich. You said that the lake samwich he passed away. Um,

2488
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot about I mean, that was a

2489
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: great day. It was like one hundred and five degrees

2490
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:24,600
Speaker 1: and spark South Carolina sawaits going to be with us,

2491
02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 1: came over from Pickens, like probably forty five minutes away.

2492
02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 1: I think he had a doctor's appointment around Spartanburg came

2493
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:32,000
Speaker 1: over and hung around with us for a while. He's

2494
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 1: a really good guy. I liked him when he coached here.

2495
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:36,160
Speaker 1: I had so much respect for him. He was a

2496
02:07:36,240 --> 02:07:38,160
Speaker 1: great guest, and you're right, he made a really good

2497
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,760
Speaker 1: point about how to find an hire head coach. That

2498
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite days of the show last year.

2499
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:44,640
Speaker 1: If only it had not been one hundred and eight

2500
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:46,280
Speaker 1: degrees or whatever it was, and we were out on

2501
02:07:46,440 --> 02:07:50,240
Speaker 1: hot conc We were in a shade, so it was

2502
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:54,240
Speaker 1: so bright. The sunshine was so bright. Oh my god. Yeah,

2503
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:56,520
Speaker 1: I remember that. But Sam was God rest him. He

2504
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:59,720
Speaker 1: was really kind and he came over and spent time

2505
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:02,680
Speaker 1: with and he was NFL Coach of the Year. You know,

2506
02:08:02,840 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 1: he was a Super Bowl coach. Do you remember that

2507
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:07,440
Speaker 1: day he was on our show? I think and Brandon

2508
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,040
Speaker 1: Bean was having lunch with his family in the air

2509
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:13,040
Speaker 1: conditioned restaurant in the hotel right outside of the night

2510
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:17,120
Speaker 1: Sam Wish and Brandon mean was like he thought he was.

2511
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:19,480
Speaker 1: He was seeing like an all time hero of his

2512
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, sit down with me because my dad, this

2513
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:23,960
Speaker 1: is my parents. I mean, he was really that's kind

2514
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,480
Speaker 1: of respect Sam, which and gendered. You know, he was

2515
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 1: great on our show, and he was great with the

2516
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:30,520
Speaker 1: Bills when he was here. Yeah, yeah, he was. He

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Speaker 1: cut He cut a wide swath through the NFL. He

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Speaker 1: touched a lot of lives. Coach for a long time,

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Speaker 1: coach with some phenomenal coaches, and coached against a bunch

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Speaker 1: of great coaches. Um. He had a long and illustrious

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Speaker 1: career in the National Football League, as as a player,

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Speaker 1: as an assistant coach, as a head coach. M really

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Speaker 1: awesome to have him on the show. It was a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. All Right, we're taking a break and

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Speaker 1: then we're coming back one Bill presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio from today's show, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental company in

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo. Bills started out today with Daryl Talley, former

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Speaker 1: Bills linebacker Wall of famer. He played with Ben Williams.

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Speaker 1: The late great Ben Williams passed away yesterday. Long time

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Speaker 1: Bill's defensive lineman Steve asked him, why did they call

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Speaker 1: Ben Williams gentle Ben. Here's what he said, To be

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Speaker 1: honest with you. Judy looked at you, and he looked

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Speaker 1: If you looked at Ben, you would say he wasn't

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Speaker 1: dad great. He didn't looked like he was a great athlete.

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Speaker 1: But he'd hit you with getting hand to his and

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Speaker 1: grab you with him wag and grizzly bear grabbing you.

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Speaker 1: He hit you, slap you upside the head and if

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Speaker 1: you could do that back day, he'd slap you, grab

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Speaker 1: your wrist, pull your arms down, pull you to the

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Speaker 1: ground by just your horns. Yeah, he had a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of tricks. He was a really tricky character. He's

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Speaker 1: really crap. He used his hands as if he was

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Speaker 1: Bruce Lee. I mean that's where he used to tile

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Speaker 1: for some limon James up and get him off of him.

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Speaker 1: And that was the thing that he is still didn't bruce.

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Speaker 1: As long as they can't hold you, they can't stop

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Speaker 1: Yeryll Telly, I'm about Ben Williams. And then also on

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Speaker 1: the show today, Maurice Jones Drew, former Pro Bowl running back,

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Speaker 1: you talked about the Bill sturn On draphic Zack mosson

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Speaker 1: now he might work with Devin Singletary in the Buffalo backfield.

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Speaker 1: Here's what Maurice Jones Drew said. You want a guy

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Speaker 1: that's going to be able to, you know, break tackles

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Speaker 1: and do some different things, and to be quite frank,

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Speaker 1: it's a great pick. Um. I have been part of

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Speaker 1: a thunder lightning role in Jacksonville, and you can have obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know Zack Moss as your thunder, your run through guy,

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Speaker 1: than Devin Singletary as your your quick lightning guy that's

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Speaker 1: able to make people missing. He had a really good

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Speaker 1: year last year as well, so I thought it was

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Speaker 1: an amazing pick. I think Zack Walls catches the ball

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield um, tough runner, has great short

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Speaker 1: area quickness, and he finds ways to to you know,

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Speaker 1: he really finds ways to get first downs and touchdowns

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Speaker 1: in that short red zone. There you going, Maurice Jones drew,

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Speaker 1: we had we had a pretty good um Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: going today. Steve we asked the question which Bill's defensive

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Speaker 1: player has the most improved in twenty twenty and why?

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Speaker 1: And on the Twitter poll with seven hundred ninety votes

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Speaker 1: and forty eight percent said Josh Norman, twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: said Harrison Phillips, twenty percent said Levi Wallace, seven percent

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Speaker 1: said somebody else. Josh Norman is the leader. Everybody's keeping

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Speaker 1: an eye on Josh Norman Stein. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: it comes in he's I think they had a lot

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Speaker 1: have a lot of hopes for him, not only expectations

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Speaker 1: and pressure on him, but I think people have a

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Speaker 1: lot of hopes for what he can bring to the

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Speaker 1: defense and the difference he can make on an already

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Speaker 1: good defense. I think that spot also, which is why

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Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is on this list, that's also something that

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the spot on the defense where maybe

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Speaker 1: that's the one hole that people think they need to fill.

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Speaker 1: There you go, hey, one of the thank our production

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Speaker 1: assistance today, Kelly Rude, j J. Turrito, Kevin Conscious, James

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Speaker 1: Robo board Ops, Brenton Wilson, Joe Dibiazzi, our producer Jay Harris,

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Speaker 1: got a good show tomorrow, Steve, your old buddy, Bill

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Speaker 1: Pollian's joining us tomorrow at one o'clock and the fforementioned

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Speaker 1: Dominique Foxworth's going to join us a too. Pollian's got

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Speaker 1: a brand new endeavor. Bill's doing like a podcast. I

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Speaker 1: guess he's gonna gonna give him a little free publicity

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Speaker 1: for that tomorrow. Very nice, always happy to do it.

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Speaker 1: I missed Bill on ESPN. I'm not afraid to say it.

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Speaker 1: I like Bill. He's great. He's so, he's a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine for obviously for thirty plus years, and he's

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Speaker 1: he's kind of he's got a great career out for himself,

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Speaker 1: one of the top officials in the NFL, and I

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Speaker 1: think now he does kind of not about what he

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Speaker 1: wants to do whenever he wants to do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's doing our show at one tomorrow. Okay, Steve, Thanks,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at noon. One Bill's Life Presented by Kalid to Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's radio fre