WEBVTT - Karamo Speaks: Is he Dating Jussie Smollett? 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.760 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.239 I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.600 favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.360 and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:23.040 Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.680 Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset. In 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.680 addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:38.879 scripted as well. Rain drops on today's episode of Reality 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.240 with the King. Look, he is not only my friend, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.640 he's one of my faves. He also has been one 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.159 of my most requested interviews. We've been trying to do 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.200 this since I started my podcast in twenty twenty three, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.360 but God's timing is always perfect. Please give it up 0:00:56.400 --> 0:01:03.920 for the iconic. He goes by one name only, Karama. 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:15.720 You ain't gonna come Beyonce, Janet, Brittany Shaka Aria. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:18.760 In there. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:25.840 You look good. I listen the rain jobs. I have 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:27.760 to know he is like one of my good Judy's 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.880 good friends. And I have to say thank you for 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.720 saying yes. Finally, bitch, I said yes. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.880 It's always been scheduling and what I tell you for 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.160 the interview, I said, there's nothing off limits. You can 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.360 ask me anything, you know. I'm open book with you, baby, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.080 you are. You ain't know what the skeletons buried. I 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:48.600 can't even lie about it if I wanted to. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.480 But you don't listen. The thing about you and this, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.320 you are an open book. And I think that's the 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:59.400 reason why none of this to me is a surprise, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.200 because I never said this publicly, because I've been waiting 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.280 for the moment to give your flowers publicly. I do 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.840 it privately because he and I always are texting and 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.520 dming and all those things. But as we celebrate pride, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:19.480 I'm not here to celebrate you just being, you know, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.359 a gay activist, an ubly gay black man, the first 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.160 ever to come out on reality television. You are icon 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.440 for sure. And it's not something I'm saying loosely. It's 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:35.720 because you are genuinely a good person. You have never changed, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.320 you have never switched up. And the thing that I 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.200 want to say to people when I was casting for 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.280 the next fifteen, you don't know this. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.800 You know. You told me you had a story and 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.799 I was like, what story is this? I don't know. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.040 It wasn't supposed to be a co ed show. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:52.919 It wasn't. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.280 The network was toying with the idea, do you want 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.720 to make it like Hollywood Divas, which was my successful 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.160 show on TV one all women. Do you want to 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.600 make it about women or do you want to make 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.080 a co ed And I said, I don't know, let 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.280 me just start casting. You are the reason why we 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.240 made the show co ed. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.280 Did not know that because. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:20.519 When I was auditioning people, you know that we met 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.400 because I listen. They don't know this. I did the 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:23.160 casting myself. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:23.480 You did. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.840 It wasn't like somebody was there interviewing you. It was 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:30.280 me and not only were you early. I do stay 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.680 on time like he was today. I do stay on 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.320 time like I'm five minutes away. He's like, that's okay, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.440 I'm in the lobby. I'm like, this bitch was always earlier. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:43.320 You were early. You were the consummate professional, and I 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:48.000 was so impressed by you. And I remember you leaving 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.200 the interview and I called the network and I said, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.080 we have to make the show co ed because I 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:56.760 said I have to cast time. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.280 I did not know that you are a star to 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.400 me that hold on, but I told you earlier. So 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.400 first of all, thank you for telling me that story. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.200 And it goes to what I was not to give 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.280 your flowers publicly because the way you put us as 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.120 black folks on in front of the camera, behind the camera, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.560 people out there, y'all need to understand how hard this 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:23.000 is for people of color. And this man consistently puts 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.560 people on and y'all might want to attack, but y'all 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.960 don't realize this a network people above that do this 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.359 stupid stuff. This man is always protecting us, always putting 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.920 us on, always caring for us. And that next fifteen 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.159 I was trying to break in after being on the 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.160 real world. This is years later, and I needed something 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.919 that was going to make me put me in a 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.800 position where people saw me back as a household name, 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.520 saw me as somebody with value. And I couldn't find 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.400 that opportunity because everyone was still this is the time 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.080 when like, you know, we both get black. They was 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.080 like mm hmm, no, no, no, no, no, you definitely you 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.200 might come on as a friend, you might come on here, 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.400 but you're not gonna be leading anything. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.640 You're not You're not on the poster. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.599 You're not on the poster. You are not on the poster, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.120 and Carlos said, you're on the poster, and I'm gonna 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.279 put you next to these women who are iconic. Man 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.799 Benzino was there too, these people who have large careers, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:20.120 and I was so thankful that another gay black man 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:21.640 put me on and I told you, I said, I'm 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.560 gonna do whatever you want. You tell me, you tell 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.120 me what you want better, I'm gonna show up. I'm 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:29.839 but I just had to give you that Flowers because 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.920 that was really the catalyst for me having a name 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.919 to walk in the rooms that right there was the 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.160 one where people were like, oh I saw you on 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:43.360 a carpet, were Claudia Jordan, Oh oh I saw you're 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.040 with that guy who started that magazine, Benzino. It just 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.960 all of a sudden put me in conversations that I 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.440 wasn't in before. And that's solely because of you. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.560 Thank you for that, Thank you for that. No, the 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.960 thing for me has always been, you can't be in 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.080 this position and not open doors for people who look 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.640 like you. And when it comes to the reality genre, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.800 it listen, the sort of surrounding narrative is mess, mess, mess, mess, mess, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.920 and we don't talk enough about the opportunity and the 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.520 way the doors open enough for you, which is why 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.080 all of your success is not a surprise to me. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.120 But I do want to start back early, explain to us, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:29.480 like who was Caramo Brown? As a young black kid 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:30.479 growing up. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.400 I think the things I was a bit about the dichotomy. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.400 I was pretty insecure because I grew up in a household, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.520 a Caribbean household. My parents aren't from this country. My 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:49.640 family's Jamaican Cuban, where I was consistently bombarded with with 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.440 with comments that I was less than because of my sexuality, 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:53.760 because you know, I told everyone that I was gay 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.000 when I was fifteen, and so people don't realize that 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:57.960 that was what year that was though, because this is 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.720 nineteen ninety five. So y'all gonnaderstand growing nineteen ninety five, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.360 I'm walking through here like this is who I am. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:11.160 And it was constant, you know, berating, constant this, you're 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.360 not that, You're not that, and it broke me. But 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.600 on the flip side, even though it was breaking me, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.800 and when I was alone, I would be like, I'm hurting, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.760 this is so bad. In public at school, I was 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.040 a shit. I ain't give a fuck, what tell me something? 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.480 And so I had this like broken but fearless thing 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.600 that was happening consistently, like I feel fearless, I'm gonna 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:34.960 do it because if I can stand up to my 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.960 father who was playing you know, Bojo bonton at this time, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.600 boom bye and bye and a box, you know, like 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:46.400 you're fifteen years old, and they're like you, like, oh okay, dad, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.760 you know you know. And so I was fearless but 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.320 also broken, and that little boy just said he's gonna 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.960 do whatever he can to make sure that no one 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.640 else feels broken. And that was literally the catalyst. It 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.840 was like the catalyst for why do everything that I do? 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.640 Is that I said, I'm not no one else is 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:03.280 going to be broken. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:09.160 Do you remember the first time you knew like, okay, 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:10.880 I'm gay? 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:12.320 Yes? 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:14.840 When was it? 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:20.320 I saw Samar Morris fine ass that whatever. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.480 That not our look, not our mutuals friends X. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.480 Oh listen, I've heard the story about Samar. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:36.839 Girl, our mutual our mutual girlfriend that dated. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:41.000 Hell, yes, but I'll tell you that man in the nineties, 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.760 I mean everything, and I just said, oh, that's this 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.200 is the option maybe that I want that that's there's 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.800 options and yeah, but you know, in reality, I kind 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.600 of knew before then, Like there's always whispers for us 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.360 as kids from adults. And this is the thing that 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.840 sometimes I try to tell people as a father. You know, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.760 people always want to say that gay people are sexualizing children. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.000 They make that as some narrative to dig at us, 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.200 but the truth is that we're not. Every story I 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.080 have of someone over sexualizing me or sexualizing me before 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.680 I was ready was from from strade people, all the 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.679 girls in my life, women in my lifetime, about that's 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.280 your girlfriend. You don't want to give her a kiss, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.960 you don't want to hold dud I'm three, I'm four, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.719 I'm five. I haven't even thought of that. And it was, oh, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.240 this is my little man, this is my boyfriend, this 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.080 is my husband. Oh come here, oh baby, if you 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.600 was older, those are the comments that I received, And 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.120 it made me immediately realize first of all that like, oh, 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.679 I'm supposed to be sexual and you know, like this 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.319 is required of me as a man, Like I'm supposed 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.520 to put on this presence of this. But then at 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.640 the same flip side, I was like, you call me 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.640 your boyfriend. I don't like that. Like, not just because 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.480 you're older, but also because let your husband call me that, 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.080 and so you know that was that was when I 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.000 really realized. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.200 Yeah, and it's funny you say that too, because one 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:10.280 thing that I find so disturbing and odd people think 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.240 there's this gay agenda. And what is so interesting is 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.000 because you see two men kissing in front of the 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.360 cameras and stuff, it doesn't make anyone gay. We grew 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:27.200 watching nothing, but it did nothing for me. Nothing nothing 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.120 for me, And that that's what's so fascinating about me. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.920 Like I knew that. I knew when I was a 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.120 little kid, but it wasn't until I watched Ello COOJS 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:41.560 on bad Video. Yeah, I was like, oh huh, Jenna Jackson, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.199 I find iconic. You know what I mean? 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.079 I find her iconic. I want to I want to 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.640 do dance, but baby, I'm not. I don't want to 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:48.880 do it. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.319 I want to. I'm into this. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.680 And that was makes so much sense now the people 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:03.040 you date, this, this takes so much sense now when 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.200 we look at Okay, okay, now I know where this 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:12.520 came from. My take when I tell y'all, one day 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.000 I'm gonna do the Carlos King exclusive, because actually, oh, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.280 I'm gonna do the Carlos King exclusive. I'm gonna sit 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.920 down and let you tell your tea one day, because baby, 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.840 you you got all the tea, baby, and you also 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.840 have a life story that people need to hear. I 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.280 actually do, and I look you do, I will give 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.319 it to you. Yeah, we're gonna sit down in miss story. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:30.959 We're gonna. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:41.080 But you obviously had a child, which means you you 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:46.120 slept with the woman. So talk to us about that 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.280 decision and were you trying to just see if this 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.840 is what I want because I can't get interaction with 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.200 the woman. So the fact that you've proceeded to do that. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.040 Well, it was only because I was fifteen and so 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.640 like you know, the wind cablow and she was ready, okay, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.000 like the wind could just someone can sneeze, and I 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:09.559 was ready. Okay, it was you know, that's the Caribbean roots. Okay, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.120 But is. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.560 It true what they say about Jamaican men. 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.720 It is everything about us, really. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.600 Scorpio Scorpio November that. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:25.360 I am a freak. I am yeah mm hmm yeah, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.240 I have no no issues. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:30.640 Do you have any boundaries? 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:37.079 No? See, this is the thing the loving personality. I'm 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.559 gonna give y'all the loving personality that sweet and want 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.600 to fix stuff. I I am the exact opposite in 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.800 the bedroom, you know what I mean, Like I like 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.440 my partner calls me daddy. You know what I mean, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:52.000 and I take that to heart. Like I pay bills 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.880 like I do it all. Yeah, you see it, Like. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.360 Oh, I am the exact same way. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.440 I'm paying the bills. I'm opening up every car door 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.320 for you. I'm taking care of you, baby, like in 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.800 all ways, financially, mentally, emotionally, sexually, I'm taking care of you. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:11.600 And that's that's how it goes. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.760 Okay, So you have sex with one girl. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:23.439 She was my best friend and she was one of 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.720 the sweetest people. She's still we you know, she's in 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.080 my child's life. There's not a moment that passes. But 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.400 she's just an amazing girl. And we were fifteen, and 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.480 we had a conversation about trying this, you know what 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:41.160 I mean, and it literally, I promise you lasted five seconds, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.240 not even six seconds, ten seconds. I know it wasn't 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.120 no more than two minutes. I know that it was 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:53.000 very quick and in and out. And I said after that, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.600 I said, I'm not doing this again. That's not happening again. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.600 I'm not doing it again. And it's not because I 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.720 don't like I'm actually one of these gay guys that 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.960 on there's the female body, like I like when my 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.560 girlfriends are standing front of me and I look back 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.679 and I'd be like, God, damn you fine, look at 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.480 that body. I don't want to do nothing with it, 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.240 but I honor it. So when I was with my 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.160 son's mother, it wasn't that I was like, oh, scirls. 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.880 It just was I was like, again, this don't feel right, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:21.040 this don't feel right. But what that moment was was 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.600 realizing that God had a greater plan for me. And 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.360 it's one of the things that I always hold on 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.200 to anytime I feel lost, anytimes i feel like a 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.280 decision I'm making, if it's supposed to work out, I'm 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.520 always like, there's some bigger plan. There's some bigger plan. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:40.000 Because fatherhood, as you know, you know my son, it 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.680 is the most important thing to me. I'm about to 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:46.800 be a grandfather. It's like, really, yes, well I call 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:52.240 myself a grand zaddy. You are a granddaddy. Congratulation, thank you. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.160 And I'm just saying the thing is that that is 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.440 so important to me, fatherhood, being there for my grandchild, 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.960 like I'm there for my son and his girl, and 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.360 and I'm like, my son saved my life. He literally 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.200 saved my life. I don't know where I'd be today 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.360 if it wasn't for Jason. He he is the reason 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.040 that I'm alive, that I strive to do things. He's 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:20.560 He's my everything. And so I realized God had a 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:25.960 bigger plan for that one moment that you know wasn't 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.440 supposed to happen when you. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.480 Got the call that she was pregnant. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.520 What was your reaction, You mean when I got the 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:39.800 paper work, paper work nine years later, the paperwork, the 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.320 paper work. Yeah, I wasn't in his life for the 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:43.040 first nine years. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.200 And this is this she decided to keep it to herself. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.200 Well, it's because I moved away. We both moved away. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.320 And so this is this is nineteen ninety five again, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.720 and like people of our generation understand, there was no 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.920 cell phones, there was no social media. If someone moved 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.840 and you didn't have a Mama house number or the 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.480 mailing address, you weren't in contact. And so again I 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.160 had already identified as gay and was letting people into 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.120 my life. So at that point, I don't use the 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.880 term coming out. It's been something that I've been saying 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.360 for the past ten years to try to like to 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.240 change the culture, and it's been working. I see people 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.080 starting to say it now, but the term we are 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.320 not coming out. The term is actually letting people in. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.240 That is the actual act. And I believe that when 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.600 we start to give people that language, it changes their 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:32.120 mental health, their emotional health, because when you let come out, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.960 you're giving someone else the power to accept or deny you. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.400 But when you let someone in, you have that power. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.040 You say, I can let you in, and some people 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.160 don't deserve to be let in. That whole thing that 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:44.920 we need to make grand announcements, I don't need to 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:46.520 make a grand announcement of none. If you're not telling 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.080 me who you fucking ad fucking Christmas Dinna. I don't 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.240 even tell you who I'm fucking unless I want to 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.800 let you in, and there's no shame in me. I 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.360 believe at one point in our community it was important 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.360 to come out. Visibility was so important, and not saying 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.640 that visibility is an important now, but the pressure that 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.399 we put on people to feel like they have to 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.480 come out to prove that they love themselves. No, I 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.760 love myself more when I'm selective about who I let in. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.800 I have the power, Like if you knock on my 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.399 door and I open the door and I realize you 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:17.680 crazy bitch, and I don't let you in, I'm not 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.040 gonna be at my house and be like, oh my gosh, 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.320 I didn't let bitch. No, I'm happy I didn't even 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.000 come in here and destroying my shit. And I think 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.080 we come out when you come out, you allow too 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:26.800 many people in your life to start destroying your shit. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.360 And when I look at que Latifah ooh, I love her, 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:36.399 who I idolize in the sense of protecting her own 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.240 personal life. Yes, at a time that worked for her. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.760 And the thing about it is she was never in 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.280 the closet, like you said, in the sense of like 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:47.960 not being herself, and. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.920 When she always herself. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.800 Always herself. And we have mutual friends who is friends 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.080 with her, They call her Dana by her real name, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.000 and they all said to me, like, Dana has never 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:58.760 been in the closet. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:03.840 Never. Each time I ever had seen her, I just 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.639 saw like a year ago and we were at this 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.480 old house together and she came up. We were hugging 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.040 and talking and I'm like, this is the woman I've 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.000 always seen, just powerful and knowing herself, and she is 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.720 a prime example of bitch, I'm gonna let yall in 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.320 when I need to let y'all in. I'm not ashamed 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.200 of who I am, and I honor her and I'm 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.000 so glad you brought her up because she is the 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.360 example of what I hope this next generation does when 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.320 it comes to how they love themselves and how and 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.680 when they decide to tell the world of who they love. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.600 It's your power. You don't have to give it all away. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.679 You said when you god damn ready. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:44.720 Could not agree more day, I could not agree more 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:50.600 So you found out nine years later and you immediately 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.600 had to fall into fatherhood. And I'm always curious because 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.200 you our mutual friend, Ty Hunter. There's a lot of 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.359 gay men are a who are fathers, And I've always 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.159 been curious in terms of, like, what is that life 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.600 like for you because you are openly gay and you 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.960 are at this point you're raising a black son. Were 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.480 you prepared for the job and were you did you 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.679 accept that Okay, this is my life is going to 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:24.480 be moving forward. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:29.119 I think I was more prepared than most fathers. And 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.840 I say this because when you grow up as a 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.040 gay black boy in America, even so like me in 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:43.919 the South, there are there's discrimination from outside of your 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.280 community and within your community. You are constantly having to 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.000 figure out how to protect yourself, how to continuously love yourself, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.080 how to navigate spaces. I tell people we went to 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:58.920 church Wednesday, Sunday, Saturday, and Sunday. And imagine going into 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.119 places that are supposed to be safe and full of love, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.240 and people will tell you, probably that they love you, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.800 but then be preaching against you and not protecting you. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.760 You know. Like what hurt me the most when I 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.560 was a child was the silence that aunts or people 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.440 who said they loved me had when their husband would 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.160 say something. I'd be like, girl, like you just told 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.000 me you rock with me, and like I'm your friend, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.040 and like you love me. And then when your husband 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.639 or somebody in your family is saying something derogatory that 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.400 you know is not true about me, your silence cut 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:35.760 deeper than anything. And so having those experiences and understanding 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.520 what I needed from a man, what I needed from 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.639 a father, what I needed from a leader, I said, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.000 once I became a father, Oh, you're getting all those things. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:45.800 You're getting all those things. You're going to get a 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:47.200 man who's going to be there twenty four to seven. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:48.680 You're going to get a man who's going to make 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.760 sure that you are strong while also being able to 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.879 be vulnerable. You're going to know that I'm going to 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.879 step into spaces and I'm always going to speak up 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:56.520 for you. I will always defend you, I will love 0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:00.760 you always. And that's that's why me and my son 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.800 to this day have the best relationship because I was 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.800 equipped because of my struggles to make sure that I 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:07.480 was a great father. 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.399 Did you always know that you wanted to get in 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:12.640 the entertainment business? 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:14.480 Yes? Like when did you? 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:14.639 Like? 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.000 When did it hit you like I want to be this? 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:23.560 It was watching any Tony Braxton video where she had 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.600 what's the guy? What's the guy from Groove Theory? What's 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:27.920 his name? 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:28.600 Bryce? 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.680 Bryce? So in my mind I thought I was as 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.200 fine as Bryce. Okay, you are fine, but Bryce was fine. 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:35.600 Fine. 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:37.960 That man was fine, fine, back guy. If y'all don't 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.400 know who that man is, go google him. And every 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:42.040 time I saw him, I was like, I want to 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.679 do that, and so I just I just knew I 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.560 wanted to be in that. I didn't know what that was, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.480 but I knew I wanted to be in. And then 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:54.639 I remember watching Ashton Kutcher on They used to have 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.480 this thing on VH one called Fashion TV, and Ashton 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.440 Kutcher had just one model of the year and part 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:02.480 of his deals that he got to be a correspondent. 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.479 And I didn't even know what that word correspondent was, 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:07.399 but baby, I tell you, for the rest of the 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:14.440 year that school year, I was I'm a correspondent of corspondent, okay, baby, 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.920 And I just was like, that's now I know what 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:18.520 I want to do, which I have a mouth. I 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:20.800 love to talk. That's what I want to do. And 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.320 it was very clear and so, but that's not something 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.000 I could express. My family, we again were we were 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.080 an immigrant family and so my parents came here so 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:31.919 that we went to school. And I'm also the youngest. 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.000 I have all older sisters, and all of my older 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.520 sisters are the most intelligent, degreed up women. You know, 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:42.400 my sisters got master's doctor them. Women are so intelligent 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:47.800 that here I come the last Baby TV that ain't. 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:51.040 That's not a career. Take your ass into school, go 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:55.880 to school, be successful, do these things. And I'm glad 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.040 I did because the experiences I had going to like 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.240 fam you that's why I went undergrad Florida m University, 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:08.159 go od ratless. We strike those relationships, the things I learned, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.080 the pride I had being a back black man, walking 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:15.040 those those those highest of hills are invaluable. It's the 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:16.840 way I walk in a room still to this day. 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.880 If my parents would not have said go to college, 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.320 what matriculating through an HPC you did for me is 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.520 I walk into every boardroom meeting knowing that I am 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:31.280 the shit, not because I'm arrogant or ego, but because 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.240 being at an HPC you taught me that black people 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.919 belong in every room and that we are smart and 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.760 we are amazing. And it is one of the reasons 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.480 why I feel like I can have titles like the 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.160 first openly gay black man on reality television, the first 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.800 gay man to ever have a daytime talk show, you 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:50.399 know what I mean? Like, these are things because I 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:53.920 walk in a room demanding because when I was when 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:56.119 I was at you know, at HBCU, they were like 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.000 you know, this is who you are. You you you 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.880 are old the world and so yeah, how. 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:05.439 Did you know to audition for the real world in 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:06.080 the first place? 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.119 I didn't. You didn't know this story about all the 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.200 real story. Hold by the way, before I go to HBCUs, 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.560 you want a little HBCU fact What this is an 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.800 HBCU real pizza tea. You know who I was friends 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.200 with and went to school with, and we were on 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:22.439 what is if you've ever been to HBCU. They had 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.880 the Royal Court. That's like when we have the queens, 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:29.880 and you know Kimberly k Michelle shut off. 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:31.840 Came. 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:36.440 Michelle and I were on the royal court together. We 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.120 have known each other since then. And when I tell y'all, 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.400 I just love that woman and I just see her 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:45.520 and I'm just like so proud. And she also needs 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.760 her flowers because I love Beyonce. You know, I'm a 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:52.040 stand But that girl been yodeling, yell and putting on 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:56.080 in the country world before anybody, any of y'all hoes, 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.720 that girl was. I am country through and through. 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:05.080 But anyway, digress, no, no, no, we can regress now. 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.680 The thing give Kimberly Michelle all her flowers, Kimbell, Kimberly, 0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.400 Michelle Pate. I could not agree more. 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.920 Like people you know, like, yes, she's a great personality, 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.680 but that talent and what in the room she has 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.000 had to go into this again, there's a common theme 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.560 and this way I appreciate talking to you. People look 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.679 at us and see our careers, and I could get 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.159 emotional right now. They don't understand the bullshit we have 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.040 to go through when we go to these production companies. 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.119 When we go to these networks, you walk in a 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.240 room and if there is fifty, it is only two 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:39.040 of us, sometimes none of us. And we are fighting 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:42.199 for out of one hundred jobs, don't you know we 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:47.320 it's sixty white crew members and three of us. And 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.280 when I look at things like Kay Michelle, when I 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.000 look at you, when I look at me, I know 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.640 I'm looking past all the accomplishments. What I'm impressed by 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.080 on top of that is I know what you have 0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:01.160 to do in those rooms. You know what came Tochelle 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.560 had to do without knowing. I know what she had 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.000 to do to be in rooms where now these young 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.040 country girls are just walking through freely. I know what 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.600 you had to do to get your for you to 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.880 get all these shows on air. People don't realize how 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.399 difficult that is. And then to say I want to 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:19.840 make it all black cast. 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:21.240 Baby. 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.040 I have been in rooms and they have said, we 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.600 don't want that, straight to my face, we don't want that. 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.320 What we don't want we don't we don't need enough 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:31.520 bunch of women, whatever derogatory thing. 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:35.359 I had a never exact tell me a year ago. 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.119 You know, look, we're just not he said this to 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:41.800 me on some off the record type ship. I'm not 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:45.840 gonna of course networks, but I was told that, like, 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:49.919 we're not looking for any black ensembles, and. 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.760 They say it so clearly, like we're just And I've 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.440 never heard from one of my white friends in the industry, 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.439 They've never when I tell them that, people will have 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.080 the audacity to say to me, we're not looking for 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.320 black gay people. I'm like, have they ever said that 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:03.920 I look for a white guy? And they're like, no, 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.040 I've never heard them say we're not looking for an 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.720 all white cast. And so I just I just wish 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:14.159 people could understand and sometimes yes, we're personalities, and you know, 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.359 like we're in front of the camera, we have to 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.960 entertain things getting missy, things get fun, things get emotional. 0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.359 But especially when you look at black talent, I wish 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.480 people could look at that lens and say, damn, I 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.680 know what they are going through because the things that 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.640 you see. For the few of us that have a lot, 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.439 there has been so many times when people told us 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:35.280 that we shouldn't have shit. 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.080 Oh yeah, and and and and they and they still 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.520 do and what's unfortunate is and we'll get to this 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:48.119 much later, but I'm disappointed in some of the black 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.320 folks on social media who want to put us down 0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:55.720 to uplift the white man, like you don't listen, you 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.919 don't have to like me, like everybody. The moment we 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.760 decided to become public figures is the moment we knew that, Okay, 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.040 we are subjected to shade and all that, and I'm 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:08.679 cool with that. Yes, I don't care about all that. 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.400 Don't make up allow on me. That's my thing, and 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.679 don't put me down to in the same breadth of 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.880 lift my white counterparts. And you get that a lot. 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:23.159 And we'll get to that later because because we have 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:24.400 a lot to talk about there as well. 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.320 Okay, you said, the real world, I keep derailing you no, no, no, 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:29.760 real quickly. The reason I got in the rail world 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.239 format here, there's the reason I got in the real 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:35.440 world is because I was protesting MTV. People don't know that. 0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:39.480 I didn't know that I was protesting MTV, like publicly, publicly. 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.480 So I was working for a non profit organization in 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.200 South Central at the time. This after I graduated, and 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.600 my kids were getting locked up because they were mimicking 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.440 a show called Pimp My Ride. You remember that with 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.520 exhibit So these kids were going and stealing things, small things. 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.800 They weren't This was not grand theft auto or something, 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.160 but they were taking things off of cars as silly 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.040 kids do, trying to put it on, you know, their bikes, 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:06.160 put it on like their mom's car, like the the 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.160 you know, like the the what is the thing called 0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:09.920 in the front of the car, like when the logo's up, 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.720 like it's you know, straight man in the room. Yeah, 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:19.880 the emblem. Yeah, the emblem? 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:25.360 What that got the straight and gentlemen. 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.160 So they were taking off and so I'm fresh again. 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.840 FAM you Fam you taught me you fight, you don't, 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:34.880 I mean I started protesting at FAM. You We used 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.240 to go on marches all the time. To the Capitol, 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.280 and this is the time when Jeb Bush was in 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.120 and we would be we would be protesting. We would 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:43.720 be protesting all the time. Because I was also in 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.760 student government and so my mindset was, if my kids 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.320 are getting locked up, I have to look at the 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.880 source and fight the source. And so the source is MTV. 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.880 So I got a couple of parents together, friends together. 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:58.720 It was only about twenty of us, and we went 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:01.000 to the MTV offices and you were out there protesting, 0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:02.440 didn't have a meeting, didn't know what it was gonna do, 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.360 and we had poster boards and all this. And this 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:11.640 woman came out and said who organized this? And I 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:17.440 said me and my boyfriend. And that bitch looked at 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.760 me and she said black, gay and angry. She said 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.720 come back to the next day. And so I went home. 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:29.040 Was so excited. I went home put together a PowerPoint presentation. Baby, 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.720 you have always been an over time because I'm like, 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:34.000 if you tell me to come back and I'm gonna 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:35.760 get to meet with people, bitch, I want to be prepared. 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:36.120 Girl. 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.120 I need to tell you the data of what I 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.600 have learned of why these show need to be off 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:42.720 and this is nothing against exhibit. I didn't know the man, 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:44.120 I said on the man, but it was just like, 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.160 you know, bitch. I got to the next day and 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:47.920 they said, no, we don't want to talk about that. 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.560 This is a castle for real world. God bless myself. 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.760 I ain't never seen them kids ever again. Baby, I'm like, 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.400 I said, what do you want to put me in 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:04.720 the house. We're two hot tubs, my bitch. This is 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.320 why I do the work I do. Now I'm making up. 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:12.000 I'm trying to make amends brothers that I just baby, 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:13.680 and it was on I said, I'm doing it. 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:18.640 Oh no, I remember again the power of and I'm 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.360 not going to get emotional. I say this and I 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:24.280 never said this to you the I don't think people 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:30.080 understand the power of representation. We're the same age. Right 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:38.360 when the real world happened is when we started to 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:44.800 see you. And because your mask presenting right and the 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.000 way not that I'm a reality producer, I can I 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:51.600 cannot look back on your season and say, well played production, 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.840 because they sort of made us fall in love with 0:31:55.880 --> 0:32:01.200 you like you and then it was, you know, we wait, 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.240 they waited to like drop the bomb that I'm gay. 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:04.760 It was like. 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:12.600 K this mask presenting gorgeous black ben. 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.400 With the fitted You know what I'm saying. 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:22.800 Original that you are the original trade. And I remember 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.080 I came out around that time and my older sister, 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.640 and again it's no shade to her time. 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.960 The thing is you let the men around that time 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:36.200 your family. Yes, thank you. I let them in around 0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:40.320 that time. And my sister asked me because she said, 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:47.840 are you Karamo? I said, and I knew what that meant, 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.880 and she said to me, you better tell me now. 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:52.120 I won't accept it. 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:57.440 And again and guys, this is back in the nine 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:01.280 and we're so don't This is not even like shade, 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:06.720 it's just truth. But my point was you opened the 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:12.080 doors for black men like me. That was in my twenties. 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.320 I've always been effeminine. It wasn't like I could hide 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.479 being gay. But like you said, I did not let 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:24.160 people in because of where society was at that time. 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:28.800 And I don't think you get enough credit for And 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.320 I'm sure listen, and I want you to talk about 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.400 this because I'm sure it's not just me. I'm giving 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:39.320 you all your flowers, the fucking bouquet of roses, because Karamo, 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:46.440 you made it easier for me to let people in. 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:52.960 And I'm pretty sure you must get that we were scared. 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:57.640 We didn't have any images. We had Lcuta and were 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.880 contracted to and they're straight and we have RuPaul, but 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:02.760 that was a you know, at that time, the terms 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:07.320 of drag queen. But we didn't have anybody that was like, oh, 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:12.680 he's he's gay, he's black, and oh he's like me. 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.920 He wears like boy clothes and all those things, like 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:17.960 are you aware of that? 0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.240 I am, and just recently start to receive it, because 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:25.640 you know, like when you're in the trenches as we are, 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:27.719 you can't stop and be like, oh, maybe I did 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.120 you sort of just hustling. You're like, oh, thank y'all. 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.840 I'm glad, you know what I mean, because for the longest, 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.120 the real world had a different feeling for me, Like 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.440 you know, so when people tell me like these stories, 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.200 like now, I'm so honored and I receive it. I'm 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:41.040 so thankful that I could be there because You're right. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.080 When we were coming up, the thing that people used 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.880 to say is like, are you RuPaul? Because that was 0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.239 their only reference. And I'm aware that once I came 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.279 on the scene that shifted again, you know what I mean, 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:54.600 for better or worse, whatever that is. And but for me, 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.880 what I remember during that time is, and you, as 0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.319 a producer, you understand this. They told me go to 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.279 the club and go to my clubs. Dude, go where 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.560 I go. You're supposed to live your life openly. This 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.759 is two thousand and four. I will go to the 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:08.680 black gay club and when that light will go on 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.080 for that camera. It's not like today where all the 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.920 girls want to be on camera. Oh no, they were scattered. 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:20.120 Any club I went to, they would I mean literally 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:23.560 all everybody will leave. Everybody would leave, and I would 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.080 be in a club that, now on camera seemed empty, 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:29.080 and the producers was like, we don't want to We 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.680 can't go to these clubs. This looks horrible, you know 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:33.160 what I mean. They would sit me down and they'd be like, 0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.359 there's nobody in the club, and I'd be like, it's 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.000 because the camera whatever. Is there a way you can 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:38.600 turn off the light, you know? And they're like, no, 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:40.080 we can't turn off the light, you know what I mean. 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.960 And then at some point the black clubs in Philly 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.759 stopped asking me to come because I was fucking with 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:51.040 they money, and so imagine I'm twenty three, I now 0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.920 always live. I used to be at Atlanta at tracks. You know, I. 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.520 Mean, hey, in the club, you know what I mean. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.960 But the old girl, they know where I'm talking about. 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:05.640 But as tracks, baby, it's an aquarium now right, I 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.920 think it's an aquarium. It it's an aquarium now right. Anyway, 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.160 but I would But so, now imagine that's the mindset 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:14.920 I'm going to is that, like, I come from my community, 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.319 we black folks, we'd be all around and now y'all 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.839 are scattering from me. Now I'm kryptonite. Y'all don't want 0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.080 to be around me. It hurt my feelings, like you 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:26.200 can't imagine. I was like what And so I had 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.719 never dated outside my race until that point and never 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.360 dated outside my race. But now I'm on a show, 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:37.320 I'm with all these white cast mates. I am feeling 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.759 alone and isolated. And they say, well, if you got 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:42.080 to go to the white gay clubs, because those are 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.160 the ones that are accepting you to come in. And 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.680 this is not bullshit. Anybody will tell you them. Club 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.000 said this, nigga ain't coming in no more. So the 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.040 white clubs were the white girls were like this. They 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.400 were like, yeah, girl, coming. 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.759 To round because the fingers says, first of all, he's 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.359 not lying. And because we're the same age in two 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.680 thousand and three, in the in the in the that decade, 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:08.920 for sure, it wasn't safe to be out. And are 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:10.719 you mean to tell me you want my mama and 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:12.520 my day back at home to see me on cameras 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.560 in the club, in the club in Atlanta, Hey they Philly, 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.279 hey day, all those things. So the white gay experience 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:25.120 is vastly different because listen, when it comes to black households, 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:26.200 it's the church. 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:27.160 It's a church. 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.080 We get kicked off the house. No I'm not saying 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:34.480 white boys don't either, but it's grossly different our experience. 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:39.000 And I never knew that you were sort of unfortunately 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:44.160 forced to partake in the gay white spaces because. 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.720 Because I was told you can't come back to our clubs, 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.799 you had a camera on you, and and so the 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.160 when I went to these gay spaces, I couldn't deal. 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.880 So I found the one Puerto Rican that acted black 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.879 that was and that's what that's what I went for. 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.960 I was like, who in here? Like a black guy? 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.879 Who in here? And so I found a Puerto Rican 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:05.640 dude who's from Philly that was like yo, yo yo, 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.440 not you know, like whatever, and I was like, oh, 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.920 and so that was the first time I ever dated. 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.080 But I'm also, as you know this, I'm one of 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.799 these monogamous girls. Once I get into a relationship, baby, 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:16.640 I'm trying to make it work. And so now the 0:38:16.719 --> 0:38:19.440 real world ended and I'm continuing the relationship, and you know, 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.840 that's that's we I still was only going to black clubs, 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:24.880 but like you know, now this narrative had come out 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.200 where like it was like, you know, he don't like 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.640 black boys, and I'm like, that's not the truth. 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:30.839 Well let's go there. 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.239 Oh you want to go there, Let's go there. Let's 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:33.560 go there. 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:38.680 I mean, it's the perfect segue talk show host. The 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:44.760 thing is this, you have a reputation where the gay 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:50.239 black community feel like you are whitewashed. They feel like 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.279 you don't date other gay black men, You only day 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:59.000 white men, you love being in white spaces. And I'm listen, 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.640 I'm sure you've seen a lot of conversation about that 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:06.279 on social media where people do feel like Karamo is 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.640 one of those black gay male celebrities that once they 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.160 make it they start to date white. What are your 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.080 thoughts on this perception that the community has of you. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.400 They ain't wrong, They're not wrong. I would feel the 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.680 same exact way. I think that there is a lack 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.320 of fucking representation in Hollywood of gay black men being together. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:36.160 And as much as I wanted to add to that 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.719 and be something like what we see now with Queen, 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:41.640 I want to be that. You know what I mean, 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:46.200 But you also can't help sometimes who fall in love with. 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:48.920 But as you know, as my friend, I'm always in 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:50.960 black spaces. I'm not just with the white girls. I'm 0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.360 always with black folks. I'm all like, I love my people. 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.759 And as you also know, I date black men just 0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.279 so happens that they're public only picks up on the 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.480 ones when they not my race. Like I am in relation. 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:04.800 I'm in a relation. 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.160 Do you guys you want to tell me you already 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.080 know I'm in a relationship now with I'm like, man, 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.160 you know, like it's but I do understand. 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:15.799 This is like when people come out here and they're 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.880 defensive about that. I'm never gonna be defensive because I 0:40:17.920 --> 0:40:20.279 get it. Like, yeah, if I if I was sitting 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.000 at home, I would think the exact same thing. I 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:25.920 would think the exact goddamn same thing. And I'm not 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.600 gonna lie. When I'm in spaces with other gay black men, 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.880 people who are slipties that you know, I bring it up. 0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:32.759 I'm always the one that makes the uncomfortable topic like oh, 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.400 ain't nobody in here like and usually I'm the blackest 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:41.040 in that room. No shade to some of them. But 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:45.440 but I understand why, and there needs to be more 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.080 representation and that's the point blank. But I will tell 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:52.920 you this, like, it's my love for black gay man 0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.720 has never changed and will never die down. I love us. 0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:59.640 I am so deeply attracted to us, and that's just 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.480 what it is. And I know that the so it's 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.799 only been three but because it was at the height 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:09.439 of my fame, Yeah, it just seems like that's it 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:14.520 because in between when I'm dating you don't get those 0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.440 when a show's not on, and then I break up 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:19.880 and so it is what it is, you know. 0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:23.560 Yeah, And I also think this, first of all, I 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.839 love it accountability of you being like, no, I get it. 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.320 I'm not dumb. I'm aware. 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:30.200 Anybody who don't say that they get it. I mean, 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:32.879 who don't say it is a stupid like, I get it, 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.040 and it is a problem. It is a fucking problem. 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:38.439 But also on top of this, and this islet's be real, 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:43.040 there are also profound, beautiful black day couples that outlets 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:48.279 won't cover, Like they don't invite them. There's so many, 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.799 and the carpenters who don't invite them, the magazines won't 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.760 put them in, and so there's this layer of homophobia 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:57.960 and toxicity, and that even goes for the black outlets, 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.040 you know what I mean, Like they won't put on 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.319 on certain people. They won't and so there should be 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.280 more representation, you know what I mean. Maybe my next relationship, 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:08.040 I'll be open with it and y'all get some representation. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:13.760 You are currently dating a black man, you know him? Yes, 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:18.360 I know him. I recently ran into you guys, Yes, 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:25.279 and I was first of all gagged. And I didn't 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:26.880 gag because you use of the black man, because I 0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:30.160 know you, I know you they black man like behind 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.799 the scenes, we know a lot about each other, so 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.000 I understood why they say that to un That's why 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:37.919 I'm so glad you said this yourself, because we didn't 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.520 talk about this before the interview, I also understood, like, no, 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.399 I get bother saying it because obviously when you were 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.920 in those relationship, they were public, it. 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.000 Was at the height. And then also on top of that, 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:50.480 I was on a white show and that was like 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.439 that was Remember I just went from a black show 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.799 your show. I literally went from your show, yes too, 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:56.520 queer eye. 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:57.000 Yes. 0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.279 So I went from a black show to a white show, 0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:01.919 white proc show. And now all of a sudden, it's 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:03.839 like at the same time, oh, you gotta because when 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:05.160 I was on your black show and I was dating 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.120 a white guy, yes, no one questioned if I like 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:08.800 black people. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.720 It was never a question. And you and you weren't 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.680 hiding him from I wasn't him covered and we covered it, 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:17.200 but no one questioned. 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:19.680 Then compound that with me being on a white show. 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:21.440 They was like, oh, this nigga don't like us. 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:23.680 Yeah, And like you said, then your the next relationship 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.360 was with the latino Latino Yeah yeah, and it was. 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.000 And the thing is you publicized it on social media. 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.800 That's it, and and that's and that's why it became 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:36.000 this thing. But no, you are dating a black man, 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:39.480 and you can tell me when to stop because I'm 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.399 not going to reveal his identity. That's your story to tell. 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:46.280 He is a celebrity, I am dating a celebrity. And 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:49.239 I wasn't gagging like you were the black man. I 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:55.440 was gagging because of his identity. So after I gagged 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:57.560 and I said this to the buff of you guys, 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.560 I said, oh, bitch, hop to break the motherfucking internet 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:12.319 because you two are such a beautiful couple, and I 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:15.160 it makes sense to me. It makes sense to me. 0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.400 He is I've always said this about about him to 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:25.799 the too people. He is a sweetheart. And he and 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:29.759 I aren't like the best of friends or anything, but 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:31.920 when you are in these spaces, you run into the 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.200 same people. And what I will always say about that man, 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.319 I would be on the red carps doing my thing 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.680 and he would be he would be like, and I'd 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:43.600 be like, Hey, he'd like you good, like I'm great. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.799 He'd like, you know, tell my friends and say hi, 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.000 mut your friends. And he's always just been a sweet heart. 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.680 And I and I and I know you have had 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:59.160 experiences being unlucky in love. Yes, do you think he's 0:44:59.360 --> 0:44:59.800 the one? 0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:04.840 I know? I'm one hundred percent sure I could get emotional. 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:10.640 I've never I've met my equal, and it is it's 0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.000 powerful when you meet someone who you feel one hundred 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.000 percent safe with, you feel one hundred percent secure with 0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:18.719 who you you can just trust with your heart because 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.800 you know they are just a great human being and 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:26.879 they get everything. You know. It's just it's special. It's 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:31.279 pretty amazing and so and that's the reason why we're 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.600 taking it slow and not you know, not taking it slow. 0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:36.560 We don't taking it as low. We are deep in love. 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:40.120 But while we are not publicly yet because we don't 0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:43.120 want comments. We you know what I mean, and so 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.960 we are. We are protecting the love we have because 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.319 you know, I do believe this is gonna be my husband. 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.320 I believe this is gonna be my forever person. I 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.680 feel it every single day. You know, we don't have 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.480 any arguments. Everything is just easy. And not saying that 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.239 we don't have discussions, but everything is just easy. Us 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.000 get each other. It's constant laughter, it's constant love, it's 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.240 just constant everything. 0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.799 As much as I do believe that the world deserves 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:18.920 representation in all forms, as your friend, I will selfishly say, 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.000 keep it quiet as long as you can. You know, 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:27.880 what I mean, like, because I what I what I witnessed. 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:35.440 I was like I said, I I think he's the 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.839 one because because the thing is this, You're such a 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:43.000 beautiful spirit, and so is he. He's, he's, he's he's 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.120 such a sweetheart. I just can't keep saying. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.440 Okay, I'll give you the exclusive. I am dating someone 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:55.279 and his name is Wayne Brady. I'm a dating Wayne Brady. No, Dad, 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.359 I'm not going with I'm making with John. I love 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:04.279 Wayne Brady. He's one of the most talent. It's not 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.200 like we're not it's not like we're hiding. 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:06.960 You're not hiding. 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:08.680 We go, we go out, we do whatever. You know 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.480 what I mean. We were together, we hold hands everywhere where. 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:15.120 You know. It's just that once the public gets involved, 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.640 they want to, you know, things just you know, and 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.280 I just want to protect my I'm doing. I'm following Dana, Okay, Dana, 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.680 I'm following data. Okay, Dana. 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:28.400 Is the goat. 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:29.040 The goat. 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.399 They talked and said, that's my son of the rick. 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:35.200 Okay, we didn't know. She said, that's my children. 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:39.440 That is my wife I met. I met her wife recently. 0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:43.399 Shout out to Larry Simms yeah, he does her hair, 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:48.200 Gabrielle Union. He's iconic, iconic. Larry Sens is fucking iconic. 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.160 Larry Sims was like, you know this Dana's wife. And 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.120 I was like, and she was like hey, and I said, 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:55.560 come my podcast. 0:47:55.640 --> 0:48:01.200 She said, bitch, just I love watching it, but Carlos 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.200 leave you alone. Bah. Can I just say one more thing? 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.040 I hate that I always keep preaching on this, but 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.600 Dana is somebody else who people forget, like though she's 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.600 never walked into spaces not herself, meaning like the meeting, 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:16.799 I've only heard people I know, producers of work. She 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:20.640 walks in as herself, and that makes her even more powerful, 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.960 because y'all girls are just catching on. But she has 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:26.000 been her authentic self in every space she's walked into, 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:28.280 and she's powerful. She's amazing. 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:32.799 I was an intern at the View and she was 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.640 promoting whatever blockbuster movie she was doing at the time. 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:40.160 And she did her thing, and she got her dressing 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.640 room and I had to walk her out. Mama had 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:49.080 on a sweatsuit, her hair back in a ponytailer, and 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.719 she said, so what you're about to get into? 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:52.400 Okay? 0:48:52.560 --> 0:49:00.640 And I said that the original trade she was with 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.720 other women, who are you know whatever? 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:08.120 You know, I would say, now lesbian is And to 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.680 your point, she wasn't hiding it. She was just like, 0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:14.479 this is my life if and I have the right 0:49:14.600 --> 0:49:17.520 to tell you're not so listen. I love that you're 0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:18.640 you're falling. 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:22.560 In love and not falling. It's already done. No, it's done, 0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:25.680 it's done. It's done. I'm telling you've seen us, you 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.319 know it's together. I'm I'm confident. I'm confident that I am. 0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:31.680 I feel like this is it. I do feel like 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:32.480 he's the one. 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.680 Yeah, he is. We are. We align on everything. We 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:39.959 the way that we feel about our futures. You know, kids, 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.640 you know every single thing. It just everything aligns. Families, 0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:47.759 everything just aligned. And so I'm just like, yeah, you know. 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.400 I do want to get into the next Beteen. 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:57.680 You know, I still talk to every castmate on that show. 0:49:58.200 --> 0:49:58.680 You do. 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.000 I know you been Claudia. You and Claudia met on 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:03.640 set and became tight. 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:08.759 Claudia needs to have five shows on air, and I 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.480 cannot wait for that comeback because y'all girls played the 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:14.160 kiff all over and over again of how that was 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:15.759 the only one who could go toe to toe with 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.440 Needy leaks. Y'all are missing out on good television by 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:20.719 not having her on. Okay, y'all need to start petitions 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:23.160 to put Claudia Jordan back in every show. You know 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:24.759 what I mean. You've tried, You've done it. 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.040 Oh. I'll go on record saying this about Claudia Jordan. 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:31.759 She to me is a prime example of someone that 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.920 I feel like, if you want to make a good show, 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.320 get her on it. You guys should be petitioning Claudia 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.160 Jordan to be back on Atlanta Housewise to make the 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:49.040 show great, because you need somebody who is fearless, comedic, 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:54.160 her comedic timing her fearlessness. She's gorgeous to look at. 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:57.319 She tells you all her business. She has so many 0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:01.799 amazing old Hollywood tales, and she to me, is like 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.880 Kenya Moore. And that's why I find it's so strange 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:07.120 when it comes to some other people on social media 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:10.319 and some of the girls on TV, whereas like y'all 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.359 don't want a good show, I feel like Claudia Jordan 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.440 is the most underrated reality Sorry ever, I agree with you. 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:18.240 On top of that, when we were on Next fifteen 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:22.839 something with her character that has always stayed the same. 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.759 And the reason that I'm close with everybody is that. 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:30.200 But Claudius particularly is she is one of these people 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.720 who is such a woman of her word and will 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.360 love you to success, which is sorry, girl, but you 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:44.879 picked the wrong man, sister. But and I say this 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:47.280 to use this also example for other people. She loves 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:52.160 people's success. She's so committed to saying I'm loyal, loyal 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:55.160 by fault and like when our loyalty because when you 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.399 read somebody who's also equally loyal, it works. But when 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:00.479 you have that big of a heart like she does, 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.720 you end up finding people who want to take advantage 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.880 of that. And I always say when people when I 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.800 see girlfriends who are with men who are just using 0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:13.799 them because they know this woman is gonna love them 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:18.360 to success, I always say, run because he's gonna deplete you. 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:20.359 He's gonna take everything he can, and then he's gonna 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:22.239 walk away. Claudie is not the first she walks away. 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:27.120 She's strong, but her nature on the next fifteen was 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:29.719 I'm gonna I'm gonna guide you because again, like I said, 0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.880 this was the first reality show since the Real World, 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:37.120 this is the black cast. This show everyone was successful. 0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:38.799 Let me give you a little bit of tea. You 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.560 know this already. So I was living in the small 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.600 apartment with my kids, and you know, they all have 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.719 fancy ass homes and mansions and Bentley's all of them, 0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:52.360 the whole cast, Laura go vad you know, Benzino, Tiffany, 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:57.000 they all had, Jennifer, they all had They was rich. Yeah, 0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.160 I'm working on a social worker salary. So baby, I'm 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.360 in my two bedroom and my little pee peeple little whatever. 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:03.960 You know what I mean, it ain't it ain't pumping. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.680 I had to ask a friend to use their home 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.960 to film in you remember, I do not because the 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:19.640 camera crew couldn't fit my partner. But Claudia was so like, 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:22.239 it don't matter who you are, you're gonna be the 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.160 most successful. She just loved me. She just loved on 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:27.960 top of me and being like, just no, it's okay, 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.560 you you just be you. You are great, You're gonna be. 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.880 She just loved on me and said and guided me 0:53:32.920 --> 0:53:35.080 in a way that I'm like, And I've heard other 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:36.839 people on other shows said she does the same thing 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:37.160 for them. 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:40.279 She does the same No, she I've been privy to it. 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:41.960 She does. She does, and I feel like she gets 0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:44.759 the bad rap. But when it when it came to 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:48.680 you on next fifteen, I said to the producers, I said, 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.880 because I didn't have had any money, no, no, no, but 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.640 I'm gonna tell you what you had. I literally said 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:56.400 this to them. I say, he wants to the most. 0:53:56.560 --> 0:53:57.879 Oh I did? I did? 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.880 I said, I know that there's a there's a look 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.360 that someone has and listen not to blow smoke up 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.400 your ass. It's a look, Beyonce has I appreciate it. 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:09.839 Do you know what I mean? It's it's it's it's 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:13.839 a look where you know this person wants it more 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.719 than anybody. And that was you. You were always nice to 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:20.600 the crew. You wanted it more. And I remember one 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:23.960 of your cast members said to you at the time, girl, 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:28.080 you got the least followers here, and maybe two years 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:34.480 later you did cry and you surpassed all of their 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.600 following times two. 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:38.879 And you no. 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:43.680 No, I will always say to the world, I'm not 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:48.440 surprised by your success. And when Kray was auditioning, I 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:55.760 don't know if you know this your position in getting 0:54:55.800 --> 0:55:00.840 that gig, do you realize similar to Carrie Washington getting scandal, 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.960 how every black actress in Hollywood wanted the role of 0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:08.280 Olivia Pope because it was the first time since Diane 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.920 Carrol that a black woman was going to start on 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.280 a drama network television show. So every black actress wanted 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:20.200 that show. When it came to Karai, every black man 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:25.959 who whether they put a candle on a shelf and said, 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.839 I'm materior designer. Where did they they? Grandma had Church, 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:34.759 I'm a stylist. Every gay black man in Hollywood, Atlanta, 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:37.200 New York City? Do you know this? They all auditioned 0:55:37.280 --> 0:55:37.760 for the show. 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:40.640 I do well because I came in last. I came 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.480 in late. I came in late for that show. So 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:47.440 another story about my casting. My cast is always unique. 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.560 So they had already been casting Queri for a year 0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:54.680 and they were at now the final thirty or whatever. 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.279 I don't remember what the final number was. I didn't 0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.200 know anybody. I didn't know what existed. I know that 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.480 Queri was saying. I didn't know nothing about it. And 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:03.839 I was sitting in bed watching Watch What Happens Live, 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.480 and Andy Cohen had Carson Kresley on, who was in the 0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:09.560 original Queri, and they Carson was like being shady and 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:11.480 was like, yeah, they're bringing back Queer Eye and they're 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.480 not bringing us back. They're doing a new cast. And 0:56:13.560 --> 0:56:15.600 I said, a new cast of gay people. Bitch. I 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:17.920 gotta be on that, bitch. I just got off for 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:21.720 the next fifteen Baby, I got to be on that show, okay. 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:24.319 And I called my agent and he had said they're 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:27.080 done casting. They are now in chemistry test. This is 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:30.200 where they bring the top thirty that they want together 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.080 to see out of that. And I said, You've got 0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:34.440 to figure out how to get me in there. You 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.800 gotta If you get me in that, I promise you 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.120 I'm gonna get it. And he was like, oh, you 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:40.520 can promise you're gonna get it. And I said, I 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.520 promise you, I'm gonna get it if you put me 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:46.719 in there. And he found a friend that he knew 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:48.840 who's in the casting environment, Gretchen, who's one of the 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:52.560 most amazing women, and you know Gretchen, and Gretchen said, 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:55.560 we will let him just get on the Zoom, but 0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:59.720 we've already done. They let me get on a zoom. Baby, 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.440 I knew I'd already done the research because I'm a 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.279 very well researched person. Any job I'm gonna do, you 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:07.839 have to know who's coming in, what they're looking for, 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:11.360 know the players people don't see. People forget And I 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:13.719 try to teach young people when you're talking about Hollywood, 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.440 understand that it's called show business. You have to pay 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:19.360 attention to the business side as much you paid attention 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:21.560 to the show side. That's why you're successful. You're a 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.120 great showman. You know how to entertain, you know how 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.040 to host, you do it all. But baby, the business 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:30.800 side baby equally important. Baby, and people forget as talent, 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.640 especially that if you don't know the players when you 0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:35.320 walk in a room, if you don't know what they 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.560 were looking for, if you haven't read every article, then 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.640 you're going to find yourself. So I saw that culture 0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:42.960 also had an opportunity for me to make it what 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:44.760 I wanted. So I went in there about mental health. 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:46.800 I talked to her. She was like, you know what, 0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.280 They're never going to cast you, but I'm gonna bring 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:54.560 you to the chemistry test. I said, bitch that you 0:57:54.560 --> 0:58:02.040 don't fucked up now because the door, baby. That has 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:05.120 always been my philosophy, like, don't let me in, baby, 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.680 don't let me, I'm moving in. This is my ship. 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:11.600 This is gonna be my ship now, okay. And I'm 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:14.120 a squatter bitch. I'm squatter bitch. I'm coming in but 0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.600 not taking me out. And so I got to that 0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.000 that chemistry test and they only I mean, it was 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.840 like they were at the last week like that. That 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:23.400 was like the last two weeks where they were going 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:24.280 to pick the cast. 0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:27.640 Do you remember how many other black men were there 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:28.120 in the room. 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:30.360 It wasn't a lot. And this is what we talk 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.280 about again. I think there was like six of us, 0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:33.760 five of. 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:37.600 Us because they knew they maybe maybe maybe one. 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.800 Exactly maybe one was a majority white man, and they said, 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:42.000 you know, maybe you know what I mean. I think 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:44.400 there was a couple of Asian guys, you know, you know, 0:58:45.000 --> 0:58:48.560 I think ten was the only Kashmirian or I don't 0:58:48.560 --> 0:58:50.680 think there was. For anybody who watches the square, I 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.959 don't think they, you know, had it. But I knew 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.800 once I got in that room. I said, bitch, I'm 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.680 getting this. I'm getting this. And so she likely said 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.600 you'll probably go out a round one. But I'm excited 0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:06.760 for them to see because they cast other projects. So 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:08.040 I'm glad they could see you. And this is why 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:11.560 on Aggretchen again, people if y'all don't know, if you're 0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:13.240 trying to be in show business, I just we just 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:14.720 gave you a name. We both said, we love y'all. 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:15.520 Better go do y'all. 0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:18.120 Research, child, They ain't gonna do it because they expect 0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:21.720 things to be handed to don't. We didn't grow up 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:27.000 on YouTube, Google. Okay, you don't have so many resources. 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:28.040 But not complaining. 0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:31.760 About listen, I have faith, y'all, go I have faith. 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:34.320 Okay, okay, do it. 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.919 But she said they're gonna probably kick you out after 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:40.320 round one, you know. And I was like, I was like, okay, 0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:43.160 and she just she's prepping me, like they already have 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:45.440 their favorites. They're going to kick you out, you know. Like, 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:49.760 and so I got on the show. I was I 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:52.520 got on the show. There was no kicking out. No, 0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:53.720 there's no kicking out. 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:57.000 I remember, we never talked about this. So at the time, 0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:01.240 I had an overall deal with the production company, and 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:06.080 this was the biggest show that company had at that 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:09.800 time in terms of it going to two series on Netflix. 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:13.240 It was the first nonscriptive that yes to the original Yeah, 1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:14.000 j Levy. 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:19.080 Shout out to gen Levy who's now at Amazon. Genius Woman. 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:22.160 She is genius another another name go look up. 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:26.360 And Genius Love. She also greenlst starling Hollywood with Jason 1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:28.720 Madare like she's all about representation. 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:32.120 She was Jen Levy, and I honor her as part 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:35.360 of the reason why I think they saw me because 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.560 she was like, yes, she was in that room and 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:39.880 she said that one right there. 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:43.200 I believe you. That is she walks the walk and 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:48.160 talks and talks and she cares about representation. Yes, your 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.520 name came up because I'm I'm I'm I'm in the 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:55.120 rooms at the company at the time, and they said 1:00:55.200 --> 1:01:02.840 Carrama Brown, I said, And I remember telling them they said, 1:01:02.880 --> 1:01:06.560 do you know him? I said, I actually do. I said, 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:10.000 you would not be disappointed he is, I say, he 1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:14.960 is the consummate professional and he's good at his job. 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:18.680 And once again another advice to the young people out 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:20.720 there or even older people like there's people in general, 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.360 don't be burning bridges if you don't have to, because 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:27.120 you never know who else is in the room that 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:28.520 can also vouch for you. 1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:31.320 Thank you, you know what I mean, because if this 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:33.560 bridge would have been burned that room. You could have 1:01:33.560 --> 1:01:35.200 been like, yeah, it's not gonna work. 1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:40.919 Yeah, but I remember being like, no, he's the one. 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:46.280 He's the one that show instantly became an international hint 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:51.760 excuse meal, like international Query on Netflix is seen in 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:58.920 one hundred and ninety countries. How did you deal with 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:02.320 that fast track of fame? 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:06.240 It was fast track? But again, my life is this 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:09.800 weird dichotomy because of how queer I was. There weren't 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:12.800 a lot of the black folks that watched it, Like 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:15.040 like I still walk in his faces and people will 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:16.400 be like, we know him from his talk show. He's 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:19.360 on a show called Queerrac. They have no idea about 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:22.919 Queer Eye, And so it was it was weird because 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:26.960 love us what show is that. I'll be like, bitch, 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:29.919 ho goamis from it. They do not have no idea 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:33.920 what it is. And but so so it was weird 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:36.960 because like I walk in I go to Japan, I 1:02:37.040 --> 1:02:39.280 go to China. I was in the jungle and Bali 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:43.160 and the guy cutting some tree or bark he looked 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:46.360 up and he was like quere i, And I'm like, bitch, 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:49.600 I am in the jungle of Bali. That's the power 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:51.520 of Netflix. I will be in France, I will be 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:54.280 in Australia. I have a fan base wherever I go 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:56.960 and I'm so thankful for them because they keep me going. 1:02:57.320 --> 1:03:00.720 But at the flip side, there wasn't a lot of 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:02.560 black folks coming up to me. I wasn't invited to 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:06.800 black events like I like I after okay, this is real, 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:11.120 after next fifteen. One of the jobs you got me 1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:15.280 from that was me hosting the NAACP Awards. That was Carlos. 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:18.280 It was my first like correspondent job. You made me 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:21.440 the correspondent baby. Okay, actually Couch might have shown me, 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:23.520 but you actually made me a correspondent. If you said 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:28.680 TV one and WACP, y'all gotta use him and and 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:31.080 I loved it. It was I was so excited to 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:33.600 be at the NAACP Image Awards. I have never been 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:37.080 invited back to lac ANDWE Awards to this day. And 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:40.919 this this is no shape to NLACP, NAACP. I love them, 1:03:41.320 --> 1:03:44.640 I support them. They do amazing work. But that's what 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.640 I'm saying with queer eye. So though I'm popular, the 1:03:47.680 --> 1:03:50.560 people that I want to see me don't see me 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:54.120 no more. They're not seeing me. We would get all 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:56.440 these outlets and like I remember, we started getting in 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.440 Vanity Fair and GQ and all these things. At l 1:03:59.520 --> 1:04:01.160 we were on the cover of all We were on 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:05.400 the cover of these magazines, like it was. It was amazing. 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:07.320 And I kept saying like, hey, do you think so 1:04:07.360 --> 1:04:08.560 and so would want to talk to me? And they 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:12.360 were like nope, And it was a it was And 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:15.080 I'm not complaining. Let me be very real because somebody 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:16.960 go wat says some thing. I'm complaining. Baby. I'm so 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:19.680 thankful for my success, but I was also heartbroken that, 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:22.840 like you know, the people I wanted to see me 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:26.360 in this success didn't see me. Didn't see me at all. 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:29.600 I've never been invited to the BET Awards. I've never 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:36.320 I've been denied from both carpets. What this is crazy 1:04:36.320 --> 1:04:38.880 to me Because me and my partner right now we 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:42.320 talk about this. He's always like, baby, what do you mean. 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:45.120 I'm like, maybe they have never invited me. I've went 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:49.760 to the Emmys, the Gravits, the Oscars, I've been a 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:53.280 bandy fair. I've never I have gotten denied to the 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:57.240 BT carpet several times. My papaceys have been told we 1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:58.880 do not have space for him, and this is the 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:01.400 god on the truth and then on the flip side, 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:03.800 I'll get invited to like this white event, but I 1:05:03.880 --> 1:05:07.040 understand it's because Queer Eye had that type of success 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:11.120 and so those individuals saw, you know, value in me. 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:12.840 Do you think a part of that? 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:15.880 So I understanding to say it was hard because I'm 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:18.440 caught apaulic success and I'm loving it, but at the 1:05:18.480 --> 1:05:20.560 same time, I'm being denied where I really want to be. 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:27.920 When you were the only black person, we know what 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:29.880 it feels like to be the only in the room. 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:35.000 Was that painful for you? With microaggression? 1:05:35.960 --> 1:05:38.919 And one hundred percent, one hundred percent, there's not even 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:40.920 a thing you and I talked before we got here, 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:43.040 and you know, you know what I just talked about 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:47.280 my People magazine, my cover story, and you got to 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:50.160 see an advanced screening. You have to see an advanced screening, 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:52.520 and you saw the thing where they you know, they 1:05:52.840 --> 1:05:54.720 used the cop to pull me over and did it 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:56.600 as a trick, you know, like anybody who doesn't know. 1:05:56.960 --> 1:06:00.040 In episode two of season one, we were helping a 1:06:00.080 --> 1:06:01.840 police officer, that's who we were supposed to make over. 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:03.800 But before we got to the person we were making over, 1:06:04.120 --> 1:06:06.480 a cop stopped up and I was doing driving and 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:09.880 I don't have my license because I left it at home. 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:11.440 And I told them I didn't want to drive, and 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:14.520 they they pushed me to drive. They said you must. 1:06:14.720 --> 1:06:17.600 We were an hour late that day in production, an 1:06:17.640 --> 1:06:20.000 hour day. My former cast me, Bobby has confirmed this 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:22.520 an hour late in production because I said I don't 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:23.880 want to drive. I don't have my license, and they 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:28.000 said you gotta drive, and I said fine, got in 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:29.680 the car and then we get pulled over and the 1:06:29.760 --> 1:06:32.840 stunt was let's trigger this black man in this front 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:34.680 seat so that we can have an episode that we're 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:36.439 going to have about blacks and a cop and whatever. 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:39.080 And it won us our first semi, but it was 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:42.120 also fucked up. And you said that when you saw 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:44.240 the advanced screening, you turned to the other black person 1:06:44.320 --> 1:06:46.360 you was yes, and said what the fuck? 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:50.720 We both were shocked by that, like what is this? 1:06:50.880 --> 1:06:52.480 And I had nothing to do with the show, obviously, 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:57.320 but I remember watching it being like, this isn't entertainment. 1:06:57.720 --> 1:07:00.160 So when people asked me about the microaggressions that I 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.360 have to deal with for ten years, I'm like, I 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:04.760 don't even gotta pretend and tell y'all stuff behind the scenes. 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:06.800 You can see what was on the show. Like, I 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:08.840 don't even have to tell y'all what was behind the scenes, 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:10.800 because you can see it on the show. And that's 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:13.160 what I've been trying to show people like and the 1:07:13.360 --> 1:07:15.880 things we go through, and this is why I give 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:19.240 you your flowers and any black talent in this industry. 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:23.120 The things we goddamn go through that you just have 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:27.600 to smile because they tell you directly, I will not 1:07:27.720 --> 1:07:30.040 hire you, I'll replace you. They say it to you. 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:32.120 It's not as if they even like having a chatter 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:33.880 behind you. They tell you, damn to your face, I 1:07:34.000 --> 1:07:37.480 replace you. You're not worth anything. And that's what ten 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:39.920 years of this show was like. And so though I 1:07:40.000 --> 1:07:43.680 had the most massive success, I was at so many 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:48.320 points sad, depressed, down. It was a it was a 1:07:48.560 --> 1:07:51.400 train wreck of up and downs, train wreck, you know 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:52.640 what I mean. It was. It was it was a 1:07:52.720 --> 1:07:56.280 horrible time while also being the best time. Well, and 1:07:56.400 --> 1:07:58.600 that weird two the worst two things can be true. 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:02.120 Two things can be true simon taneously and that's your experience. 1:08:02.240 --> 1:08:05.520 And I didn't know this until the people cover that 1:08:05.720 --> 1:08:07.840 you did. I had no idea that there was a 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.120 sexual harassment claim on you. 1:08:10.560 --> 1:08:11.160 Yeah there was. 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.200 Was it by a cast member or the identity was 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:14.800 never revealed? 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:16.439 No, it was, Oh I know exactly who it was. 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:20.479 So a cast member and I had a little flirty situation, 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:24.240 little situation going on, and one of the Toxic higher 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:29.120 ups caught us leaving an apartment together and like you know, 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:32.960 being a you know, a grown folks do whatever, hanging 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:37.720 And they went to this cast member and said, hey, 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:43.320 if you don't, if you don't say that he's harassing you, 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:49.280 you're fired. And I don't know about any of this 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:52.640 because I don't know that's happening this cast made. I 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:54.200 just still don't know if they said yes or no. 1:08:54.439 --> 1:08:59.160 But what I do know is that Toxic executive took 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:02.600 this to HR and then HR said called me and 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:05.120 was like, hey, you know, you can't go to set 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:08.719 because we've gotten a complaint that you're sexually harassing somebody. 1:09:08.800 --> 1:09:10.960 And I was like what they were like? I was like, 1:09:11.520 --> 1:09:13.479 I'm sexually harassing, Like I'm the father on the show. 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:16.120 I don't do any of that. Like it killed me 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:19.360 and look at me you got me eyes all watered 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:25.120 up and shit because you just, uh, this is my 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:28.360 first big show, after your show, after the next fifteen 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:30.320 and now do opputune is going to be gone because 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:32.560 someone's lying on me, you know what I mean. And 1:09:32.720 --> 1:09:35.479 so this now is in front of people, so the 1:09:36.000 --> 1:09:39.320 crew know that I've been called this sexual predator or 1:09:39.320 --> 1:09:41.640 whatever that may be. And I'm like, and I'm like, 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:44.680 I couldn't believe it. I was I was shocked. I 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:48.040 was devastated. And so they told me who and so baby, 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:49.800 I'm a stunt queen at the heart, Okay, I'm a 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:52.840 stunt queen. Okay. So the minute they told me who 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.479 I was allegedly sexually harassing, I said, oh, baby, let 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:58.800 me send you every text, message, video, a photo that 1:09:58.960 --> 1:10:01.719 I have and you tell me if I'm sexual harassing. 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:03.640 And they called me back and they said, we are 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.040 so sorry that we even called you, and baby, it 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:08.880 was dismissed. And as People Magazine and all the outlets 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:10.720 have confirmed, they confirmed with Netflix that it was the 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:13.880 dismissed that I was never But the problem was is 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:16.680 that when I walked back to set, no one addressed it. 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:20.120 No one addressed that that wasn't true. So now I'm 1:10:20.160 --> 1:10:22.519 walking into a space where now people are looking at 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:26.280 the only black man as some type of predator, and 1:10:26.400 --> 1:10:28.639 I'm like, y'all not gonna say nothing, y'all not gonna 1:10:28.640 --> 1:10:31.080 tell these people this ain't true. Obviously people know it's 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:32.479 not true because I'm still here and I was here 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:36.040 for ten seasons, but people still haven't the fact it 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:39.000 always has hurt my feelings knowing that there's possibly somebody 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:40.280 in the back of their mind that thought that I 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:42.599 could do something like that. And I know I shouldn't care, 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.120 but like it just it's always killed me that somebody 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:47.320 in the back of their mind could think I could 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:50.920 do something like that. And I said, I but bullshit 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:53.640 I was putting up with, like could you imagine if 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:57.479 I said, Carlos King stole all this money, and then 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:59.800 it's found that you didn't steal the money, and then 1:10:59.880 --> 1:11:01.960 I don't tell nobody you didn't stell the money. So 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:03.960 now hearverybody around here thinking you stole the money. 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:08.000 Why do you think that executive did that to you? 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:15.559 Why I know why the executive wasn't in their right mind. 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:18.760 I'll leave it at that. Okay, they weren't in their 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:22.479 right mind and shouldn't have been on set, and so 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:25.880 you know you're not in your right mind, you're doing 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:30.720 things that are erratic, and that's It's these situations where 1:11:30.840 --> 1:11:33.320 I when people have asked me about my former cast 1:11:33.880 --> 1:11:37.599 I have always said that I respect them. They are 1:11:37.760 --> 1:11:41.479 hard workers, and I actually do wish one day that 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:44.479 the six of us can get back together. I've healed. 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:47.759 I'm willing to own any parts, you know, like anything. 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:49.320 If they ever came to me right now and said, 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:50.840 you know what you made me feel this way, I 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:53.240 would own it so quickly. That's just my personality. I 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:57.280 would tell them I'm sorry, and I wish they could 1:11:57.280 --> 1:11:58.559 do the same for me, you know what I mean, 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:01.680 because we were all all in this situation together. And 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:04.320 what kills me is that, Like since my People magazine cover, 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:11.120 I've seen one particularly given interview where they were surprised 1:12:11.880 --> 1:12:15.560 and I'm like, surprised about what it broke my I 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:17.439 just want to be like you surprised about what what 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:21.160 you're surprised about, Like, don't let me, don't let me, 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:27.000 don't let this stuff queen to me. Come on, No 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:30.000 girls are lucky. But I went on this thing and 1:12:30.160 --> 1:12:32.920 did not say no names. I spoke on me and 1:12:33.080 --> 1:12:34.760 my truth because I'm one of those I'm one of 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:36.639 those girls. I'm gonna speak on me in my situation. 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:39.559 I'm not gonna tell y'all tea. But you surprised, baby, don't. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:42.040 Don't let me go down the list of things and 1:12:42.080 --> 1:12:45.320 see if you're surprised about that pissed me off. But 1:12:45.520 --> 1:12:47.519 even through me being upset for like five seconds, I 1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.080 was still like, you know what, you were still hurt. 1:12:50.080 --> 1:12:52.840 You were still hurt. That's what the problem. Don't realize 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:55.439 that we all experienced the thing. So like when we 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:57.200 talk about that car situation, I wasn't the only one 1:12:57.240 --> 1:12:59.320 in that car. There was five other people for other 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:01.240 people who didn't know, you know what I mean, who 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:04.000 were equally affected by that, you know what I mean? 1:13:04.040 --> 1:13:06.120 And whether they processed the same way I process that. 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:09.479 You're equally affected the thing I'm talking about, that this 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:12.320 sexual thing. Though yes I was on the there was 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.680 another person that got thrown into something they didn't have 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:17.680 no reason to get thrown into that caused tension. It 1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:20.479 wasn't just one person me getting affected. It was all 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:21.920 of us. And I wish that one day we could 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:24.400 come together and do a healing session and go through it, 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:25.120 you know what I mean. 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:29.599 And one thing I have always heard about the CURI 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:33.680 cast that I never once called you about because I 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.120 was sort of like, if he needs me, he'll call me. 1:13:36.880 --> 1:13:41.160 I can't confirm. I've always heard that in real life, 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:44.040 you guys were not getting along. I heard that you 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:48.040 guys were similar to the cast of Desperate Housewives, where 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:51.599 it was sort of like who's the star of the cast, 1:13:52.320 --> 1:13:55.920 if that person gets more screen time, if that person 1:13:56.200 --> 1:13:58.920 is in the middle. This is a true story. I've 1:13:59.000 --> 1:14:01.600 heard that, like Terry Hatcher was deemed as like the 1:14:01.640 --> 1:14:04.639 star of the show and the famous Vanity fair cover. 1:14:04.840 --> 1:14:07.960 They were like, she cannot be in the middle. I 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:10.639 heard that when it came to the cast, a cry 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:16.120 when it came to you, he can't be in the middle, 1:14:16.680 --> 1:14:18.639 he can't be the star, he can't be the star. 1:14:18.960 --> 1:14:22.519 I was told that directly, directly, And so like what I. 1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:24.479 Love about you, Carlos, is because you were in this 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:27.040 industry and so you can confirm these things. Like so 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:29.920 when people be like, what baby, you know this stuff? 1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:33.559 They they said who they star was. Some people believed 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:36.439 it and then other people got told it, and the 1:14:36.479 --> 1:14:39.920 other people got told you are not it, and the 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:41.960 black guy on the cast got told you are not 1:14:42.120 --> 1:14:45.120 it directly many times. Stay your place, stay in your lane. 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.320 And I used to be hurt by that. The show 1:14:49.280 --> 1:14:51.639 was originally the slogan of the show was originally We're 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:53.920 gonna turn Red States Pink. That was the original slog 1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:57.640 it was, and the show had was always supposed to 1:14:57.640 --> 1:14:59.760 be about funniness, like because that's what the original show 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:01.800 was out, like, you know, like you know, we're gonna 1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:02.920 go in the house, we're gonna rip it up, and 1:15:02.920 --> 1:15:05.000 we're gonna tell you, like how to be a metrosexual, 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:06.600 you know whatever. That's what it was always supposed to 1:15:06.640 --> 1:15:08.479 be about. And then I came in and I do 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:11.120 what I do, which is always connect and get deeper. 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:13.400 And I built a brand off of that, and people 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:16.480 started having emotional reactions and the show started becoming emotional 1:15:16.680 --> 1:15:19.360 equally as emotional as it was funny. And I remember, 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:22.160 all of a sudden, the campaign came out after I 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:24.840 told to stop making people cry, stop getting deep. I'd 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:28.439 been told all of that, screamed at the network came 1:15:28.520 --> 1:15:32.679 out and they switched the sloganto I'm not crying, you're crying, 1:15:34.000 --> 1:15:38.960 And I said, these bitches, baby, when I tell you 1:15:39.520 --> 1:15:43.880 the heat that rolls from my toes to that my head, 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:46.760 you telling me every day that I am wrong, that 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:48.800 I am the worst, that I should not be knowing, that, 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:51.280 that you're gonna fire me for making somebody cry, and 1:15:51.360 --> 1:15:54.280 then bitch, your slogan is bitch, I'm not crying, you're crying. 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:57.240 And now all of a sudden it is the promos 1:15:57.280 --> 1:16:02.479 have been cut around emotion and tears. I said, oh, okay, 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:04.720 I see I knew right then and there how we're 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.680 playing this. So you'll take what I can offer, but 1:16:07.760 --> 1:16:12.840 you're never gonna give me credit. You'll you'll you'll grab 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:14.680 and take from me and give it, but you're not 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:19.000 gonna give me the same things you given. And listen, 1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.679 I am not over here claiming by any means, because 1:16:21.720 --> 1:16:25.400 the cast that I work with are exceptional at what 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:32.600 they do, exceptional, that them people are exceptional, exceptional, the 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:35.400 best in the business. But that didn't mean that I 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:41.160 wasn't equally exceptional. And it's hard when their greatness is 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:44.320 being honored and mine is being told shut up. 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:47.719 Were you all paid the same. 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:49.640 We were all paid the same. So there was a 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:52.360 favorite nation, there was a favorite nations. And that happened 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:57.360 because we all had three of us had similar agents, 1:16:57.400 --> 1:16:59.240 so it made it easier, you know. But I always 1:16:59.240 --> 1:17:01.160 think to this day, did have you know what I mean? 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:02.720 Because I was the only one that came to that 1:17:02.800 --> 1:17:06.200 show with credits? You know, I was the only one 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:09.639 that already had a name, the only one yet, Girl, 1:17:09.720 --> 1:17:13.840 y'all want to tell me that, girl, I'm not okay, okay. 1:17:13.640 --> 1:17:16.400 Girl, whatever looked at it that way, that's true, only one. 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:18.840 And when y'all first started promoting it, all the things 1:17:18.880 --> 1:17:20.680 that went out, you put my name first because you 1:17:20.760 --> 1:17:22.920 needed them to say, think somebody was on the show. 1:17:23.280 --> 1:17:25.439 Got it, girl? But then once the show came out, girl, 1:17:25.439 --> 1:17:26.840 you won't do that no more. Okay, I got it. 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:30.040 Were the og cro cast receptive of you guys? 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:33.840 Yeah? They were fine. Okay, they were fine. What is 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:37.000 funny is because Jay Rodriguez, who was on the original cast, 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:40.360 recently just came out and said, thank you Cromer for 1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:42.160 speaking up. I experienced the same thing. 1:17:44.560 --> 1:17:46.599 On a whole different network, on a whole different cast. 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:48.320 If it's the thing the reason I almost feeling the 1:17:48.479 --> 1:17:53.960 girl over there spelling t with Carlos. A disclaimer let 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:57.280 me list my camera here A disclaimer. If you are 1:17:57.320 --> 1:18:00.160 coming on the Carlos King show, just know he is 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:02.599 about to get you this feel every bit of tea 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:04.320 that you wanted to speel and that you did not 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:06.800 want to speel. Okay, just let you know comfor parent. 1:18:06.880 --> 1:18:09.920 See I didn't come on a publishists today. Bring your publicists, 1:18:10.400 --> 1:18:15.599 bring your manager, bring your mama, bring your cousin, bring 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:19.879 bring bring the nigga, pick up your trash, bring everybody 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:22.760 so they could all be like Carlos, stop it. 1:18:24.400 --> 1:18:28.360 I just act the classes. I love you and I 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:31.160 appreciate that. And the thing is this, That's why I 1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:39.200 do get upset when listen, regardless of you being in 1:18:39.280 --> 1:18:43.000 white spaces dating white men like like you and I 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:47.160 both agree on we both understand it. I also, though, 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:51.679 imploy people. If you don't know this person personally, then 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:55.040 try to have a little bit of discernment based on 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:58.320 what they do for the community. You have always been 1:18:58.360 --> 1:19:01.280 there for the black and community. You have always been 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:03.880 somebody who stood up for us. You lead with your 1:19:03.920 --> 1:19:08.880 blackness just because you made it doesn't mean that all 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:10.680 the girl please. He was happy to be in the 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:13.839 white spaces. He was happy to be there. This person, 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:21.040 this person was happy to have a job. Do you 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:25.920 guys not get like job? You've been the gap between 1:19:26.360 --> 1:19:30.160 real world and the Next fifteen. You were a social worker, 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:34.840 you were making minimum wage. The Next Fifteen was on 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:38.120 TV one. It wasn't a mainstream show. It lasted one season. 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:42.080 You were still figuring things out. And I hate the 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:45.160 fact that there's some people in our community who can't 1:19:45.240 --> 1:19:49.680 just celebrate one of us made it unless celebrate him. 1:19:50.360 --> 1:19:53.880 You know, I've always celebrated you. You have never changed. 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:57.639 When you first bought your multimillion dollar home in La, 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:01.599 this is my friend, he called, I have no pool party, bitch, 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:05.720 come through. And I came through and it was other 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:11.120 gay black people there. You've never whitewashed yourself at all. 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:13.680 And I had no idea. I'm not gonna emotional, but 1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:16.720 I had no idea you were struggling because I was 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:20.920 too busy celebrating you like he made it. 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:23.519 Is your celebration, and so I thank you because I 1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:26.280 needed to celebrate, because, like I said, when you start 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:28.680 to be honest about these things, you're going through. The 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:30.920 only thing that kept me going was like people like you, 1:20:31.000 --> 1:20:33.120 who I know would celebrate me, and who I also knew, 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:35.240 understood because you were in the trenches. You were in 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:36.800 the trenches. I know what it was like for you 1:20:36.920 --> 1:20:38.920 to get these deals, to create these shows and put 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:41.240 people on, and the struggles you had when people will 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:44.160 come against you online for bullshit. I understand the struggles, 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:47.000 and so your celebration made it easy because at the 1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:48.760 end of the day, this is what I say about 1:20:48.800 --> 1:20:51.360 black talent, It's not a lot of opportunities that go 1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:54.360 around for us. We try and we push and we 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:55.960 try to make it and we doing our things, and 1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:59.240 I anytime somebody put something on, I'm gonna be the supporter, 1:20:59.280 --> 1:21:01.680 I'm gonna show up because there's not a lot of 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.160 opportunities for us that when we get a job, bitch, 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.320 we just be so happy to get the job. We'd 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:09.160 be so happy to get the job. And you can't 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:12.240 always choose what space that job is in, and you 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.280 just have to And this is the thing is on 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:18.639 a on a grande, a singular level. Black people understand 1:21:18.680 --> 1:21:20.920 that when you going to corporate corporate America, when you 1:21:20.960 --> 1:21:22.479 go on your blue collar job, whatever job it is. 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:24.559 You understand, like you look around, ain't nobody else there, 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:25.920 and you'd be like, God, damn it, but bitch, I 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:27.320 gotta go to work every day because I can get 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:29.479 my check. Now, I gotta deal with this shit. I 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:31.360 gotta get my check, I gotta pay my bills. I 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:35.639 gotta do the things and are I'm thankful your celebration. 1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:36.400 I appreciate it. 1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:39.519 No, you can have it all the time. And as 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:43.720 we sort of close in on that experience, obviously you 1:21:43.840 --> 1:21:47.519 know you stop doing press with Krai the final season the. 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:51.160 Stunt Queen, because that's not Atlanta. 1:21:50.840 --> 1:21:51.720 Day's coming out there. 1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:56.680 Stop quin. I'm gonna say a note that Gail King 1:21:57.439 --> 1:22:00.920 ten minutes before stunt Okay, let's talk it. 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:07.400 I love you for your transparency and honesty because this 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:13.840 is everything. I listen. I'm on Instagram in between my 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:17.320 workout sets at the gym, and Gail King is like, well, 1:22:17.400 --> 1:22:20.479 Carramos in here, he was supposed to be here. Your 1:22:21.080 --> 1:22:24.280 what we what we what we now learn is during 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:28.639 the press run your your mother, which I mean I'm 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:34.959 not gonna cry because to have someone's mom hears something 1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:40.800 that is against her son based on something that as 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:50.439 a black mother immigrant my only boy, he made it. 1:22:52.000 --> 1:22:55.120 And you know black mamas they love when they see 1:22:55.160 --> 1:22:57.840 they son on TV. You know what I'm saying, They like, 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:03.840 that's my baby, right. You know that she overheard conversations 1:23:03.880 --> 1:23:08.960 about her baby amongst your cast mates when she told 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:13.160 you what was said, and you a mama's boy. 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:15.920 Yes, fully, I protect that woman with all my heart. 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:19.439 I'm a I'm a I'm a girl's gate. That'sir. You 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:24.559 a girl's gate too, girls, Yes, but I love a woman. Okay, 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:30.439 tag line. My mama crying. I couldn't. 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:33.720 So she came to you crying, yes, and said what 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:35.160 she said? 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:37.560 I didn't know. She said, why didn't you tell me? 1:23:38.120 --> 1:23:40.000 And I was like, tell you what she's like that 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:44.000 they don't like you and that just because the thing is, 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.080 you have to understand I was also hiding this experience 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:48.800 for my mother because I wasn't telling people because you can't, 1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:51.400 like unless you're in it like you are. It sounds 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:54.080 like I'm complaining or that's the mindset I had, is 1:23:54.160 --> 1:23:56.400 that like you know, you receive it, you feel like 1:23:56.439 --> 1:23:58.560 I can't complain about this like and so I just 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:00.519 couldn't say anything, and so I hit from even my 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:03.680 own family, the experiences, the micro aggressions. They didn't know 1:24:03.800 --> 1:24:07.400 in their world. Life is great, Karma's life is great. 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:09.600 They don't understand the ups and downs of depression and 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:11.760 all that. And so when she said it, I felt 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:16.360 first of all sad because oh my gosh, like the 1:24:16.439 --> 1:24:19.799 secrets out. I felt embarrassed, But then I felt pissed 1:24:20.040 --> 1:24:22.880 because I'm like, now you got my mama involved, and bitch, 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:25.200 I can take a whole lot. I and this has 1:24:25.240 --> 1:24:26.600 been the story of my life. I can take on 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:28.280 a whole lot. But bitch, when you start fucking with 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:31.320 people I love, oh, it's over. It's over. It's like, 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:34.200 that's the part of me, that's Scorpio's things that come out. 1:24:34.439 --> 1:24:37.120 You start fucking with people I love, who I ride with. Oh, 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:39.000 it ain't playing that way, which is why I have, 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:42.640 like I have long relationships with people because they know 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:44.320 I'm righty or die. They know they call me you 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:46.200 have the same way, call me I'm coming. I'm just 1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:49.960 showing up. And so that was the catalyst. I said, Oh, 1:24:50.240 --> 1:24:52.200 you got ma mama crime, bitch, fuck you? 1:24:52.680 --> 1:24:54.439 Did she tell you what they said? Exactly. 1:24:54.640 --> 1:24:57.120 I didn't ask. I was too embarrassed till this day. 1:24:57.360 --> 1:25:00.479 Oh no, don't care. And I don't care because for 1:25:00.640 --> 1:25:03.680 my own growth, my own growth, because I think a 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:05.439 lot of times and this is a lesson for people, 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:08.600 we feel like we need to know every detail so 1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:12.400 that we can like, what what's that detail gonna do 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:15.200 for me? Mitch, I already know y'all was talking shit. Bitch, 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.000 I don't even know what you were saying. Girl, figive 1:25:17.040 --> 1:25:19.120 a fuck, because on first of all, not gonna qualify 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:21.920 it or defend it. So but what I do know 1:25:22.080 --> 1:25:23.800 is that the person you are, and that gives me 1:25:23.920 --> 1:25:26.280 all the knowledge I need to know how to move next, 1:25:26.479 --> 1:25:28.760 how to move out of the situation to grow. You 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:30.519 un'er saying I know y'all full of shit, so bitch, 1:25:30.560 --> 1:25:31.920 I don't need to know. I don't even know the 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:34.439 details of it, and people get boggled down. I need 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:36.040 to know what you said, bitch, I don't know. You 1:25:36.240 --> 1:25:39.240 know how they made you feel, And I think that's 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:41.519 where the shift is. Remember how they made you feel. 1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:43.680 Once you know how they made you feel, it don't 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:46.120 matter what they said, because all you now is going 1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:49.040 to This is the problem with like, when we find 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:51.760 that information out, if your self esteem is not strong enough, 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:54.120 it will seep in and it will start to ruminate, 1:25:54.120 --> 1:25:55.880 and you'll ruminate over and it will start to affect 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:57.720 your self esteem. And I see so many people who 1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:00.000 thought they were being empowered by finding out the information, 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:02.760 and they end up allowing that loop to be to 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:05.080 affect their self worth and how they move through the world. 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:06.960 I don't need to know what they had said about me. 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:08.800 What I need to know is how I was going 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:11.839 to react out of that situation. And I reacted properly, 1:26:12.479 --> 1:26:14.720 you know, But you have to do what you gotta do, 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:16.680 because I know if I would have said anything, they 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:18.280 would have done what they've always done. They would have said, 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:21.479 show up, you know, play your role, do what the 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:24.439 fuck you gotta do. And again, you have to learn 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:27.759 how to respond in a way that's going to empower 1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:28.599 you and help you to grow. 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:33.400 And I listen on some real shit, I would have 1:26:33.600 --> 1:26:36.160 done it the same way you have because and not 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:41.280 just solely the exit plan, more so like listen sticking 1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:44.720 through the sort of like Okay, I get it, we're 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:49.160 not friends, we're coworkers. This is bigger than you and 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:51.360 I'm not gonna let any of you take me off 1:26:51.400 --> 1:26:56.519 of my trajectory because your career continue to catapult. You 1:26:56.680 --> 1:27:00.639 have a talk show. Congratulations on the multiple both seasons 1:27:00.720 --> 1:27:03.880 you had as the first gay person. 1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:08.559 To have mail because they ellen had it, but mail. 1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:12.439 Yeah, the first gay male to have a daytime talk show, 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:15.240 and daytime talk is so difficult to even get. 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:15.880 So do you have it? 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:23.920 For multiple seasons? And again the next fifteen if you 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:26.120 guys watched it. Your whole goal was I want to 1:27:26.160 --> 1:27:26.840 talk show that. 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:29.800 Hold on this, Charlot, hold on, you brite this up. 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:33.559 Hold on, this is the thing why this is so beautiful. 1:27:33.560 --> 1:27:37.559 I'm getting chills. Next, you brought former reality show stars 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:38.920 together to see what they were gonna do with the 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:41.000 next fifteen minutes of the career. That was the premise 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:41.960 of the show, what are you gonna do with the 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:43.960 next fifteen minutes of your career? And you said, I'm 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:47.400 gonna give you all an opportunity to become talk show hosts. 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:49.320 And Bitch, when I heard that, I said, bitch, Carlins 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:51.280 gonna let me do what I said. Bitch, I'm gonna 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:54.479 do everything I can to make sure this man sees 1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:56.360 and knows I am serious about this, and you know 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:57.640 how to show with bitch. I was the only one 1:27:57.680 --> 1:28:00.600 at the end, me and Claude would yeah yeah. But 1:28:00.720 --> 1:28:02.439 I walked off that show and I said, oh, this 1:28:02.600 --> 1:28:04.719 is not done. I'm going to be a talk show host. 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:08.160 I was convinced because you planted a seed in me 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:12.040 that it was possible. You planted a seed. You planted 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:14.360 a seed. So when I'm helping these millions of people 1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:17.759 with my daytime talk show, you planted that seed. Because again, 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:19.960 you talk about representation, what you saw in me when 1:28:20.000 --> 1:28:22.640 I was on Real World, no one said to me 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:25.360 before you you know, you give me a talk show host, 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:28.160 and I'm gonna show you how. I'm gonna give you 1:28:28.280 --> 1:28:31.680 a whole season to do it when it's small on 1:28:31.760 --> 1:28:33.720 my face and I was like, bitch, you gonna so 1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:35.800 You're gonna get me every resource I can so I 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:38.200 can show the world I'm gonna talk show host. I 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:40.120 was not gonna take that. And you know this from 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:42.920 being there. I did not take that opportunity lightly at all. Bitch. 1:28:42.920 --> 1:28:45.240 I was showing up every meet and everything. Girl, I'm like, 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:46.439 what we we gotta do? 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:48.960 You did you came in early, you did the job, 1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:49.639 you did everything. 1:28:49.920 --> 1:28:54.559 No, but you are the reason that the seed got planted, 1:28:54.840 --> 1:28:58.719 that it was possible. And so this is the given 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:01.400 exchange of why I love you and what you do 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:05.080 for us. You help us, you plant seeds, you do 1:29:05.200 --> 1:29:08.880 these things. Because when I walked in my show set, 1:29:09.680 --> 1:29:11.240 they're in my office. I wish I had a photo it. 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.880 I should have brought one. I had a thing of 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:16.960 the next fifteen because this was my next fifteen. This 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:19.720 is literally what this was. 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:19.840 It. 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:21.880 I was like, bitch, this is what Carlos said I 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:23.240 could do, and here it is. 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:28.760 And yeah, I'm gonna say this, Alice Cameron me now, 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:31.840 and I'm gonna say this because this is the prime 1:29:31.920 --> 1:29:36.559 example of this. The reason why a lot of reality 1:29:36.680 --> 1:29:39.120 stars don't make it is because they're not grateful for 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:42.479 the small wins. They're not grateful for the small beginnings. 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:45.599 They're not grateful for the small opportunities that come their way. 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:48.960 Everybody wants to be Nanni Leagues or Kim Kardashian, and 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:51.200 they don't want to do the work that's necessary to 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:55.120 get there. Everybody wants social media to love them. Everybody 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:58.760 is not doing their job. The fact that he didn't say, 1:29:58.800 --> 1:30:01.799 I'm on TV one care like this small ass network. 1:30:02.479 --> 1:30:06.840 It was the fact that you showed up and said, 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:08.920 I'm just going to be the best I can be. 1:30:09.600 --> 1:30:13.280 And the reason why God has always propelled you to 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:17.120 unforeseen heights is because Karamo is what I try to 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:23.160 tell all my reality stars I work with that take 1:30:23.240 --> 1:30:27.320 the small wins and be grateful for it, and God 1:30:27.360 --> 1:30:30.720 will bless you with all of your heart's desires. There's 1:30:30.800 --> 1:30:33.720 reality stars that I worked with before that I have 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:38.600 seen so much potential in, but they never appreciate the 1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:42.400 opportunity because they were like, oh, I should be on 1:30:42.479 --> 1:30:45.080 a bigger network. A lot of them, i'most be real 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:47.160 with you, a lot of them want to be on Bravo. 1:30:47.640 --> 1:30:50.000 They want to be a housewife. And that's fine. Do 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:54.080 you but also know that if you're not appreciating the 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:58.519 actual opportunity he's in front of you while would God 1:30:58.600 --> 1:31:01.920 bless you with something bigger? And when they fumble the 1:31:02.040 --> 1:31:06.240 bag and they lose the opportunity, that's when they start 1:31:06.280 --> 1:31:11.640 blaming everybody else except them. You did not protect your opportunity. 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:17.080 And Karamo Brown is the prime example of being on 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:23.280 a show the next fifteen, the least followers, the like 1:31:23.960 --> 1:31:29.000 not the most popular, broke baby, okay, the least paid. 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:35.160 But he was the most grateful. And this is a 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:39.840 prime example of how you are grateful for every single 1:31:39.960 --> 1:31:42.519 opportunity that comes your way. And you don't have to 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:44.920 be an entertainment to get that lesson. All of you 1:31:44.960 --> 1:31:47.280 guys to get the lesson up. When God sees you 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:50.799 be grateful for the small opportunities, give you a baby. 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:53.639 He's planting the sea for something bigger. Because when God 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:56.920 can see if you can handle this small blessing, then 1:31:57.000 --> 1:31:59.439 my child, I know you can handle the bigger one, 1:31:59.600 --> 1:32:00.000 the big. 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:00.639 The big. 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:05.760 And you have been the preach because you have been 1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:10.800 the personification of that. And that's why I have to 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:13.240 bring it back to Even when he made it bought 1:32:13.320 --> 1:32:16.680 his fabulous home in La he said, hey girl, I'm 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:18.400 having a pool party. You want to come, I'm like, 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:21.439 I'll be there for you. And he gave me I'm 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:24.160 not gonna get chills, I'm not gonna cry to see 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:28.640 someone that looks like me when and you gave me 1:32:28.720 --> 1:32:32.400 a tweet said, look, Carlos, like this is my bedroom, 1:32:32.520 --> 1:32:35.240 this is this and and you know for black people. 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:38.920 I got a pool a black post, and you have 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:42.240 a pool. You made it, bit kid, and you went 1:32:42.360 --> 1:32:45.400 from I'm you know, I'm a social worker and I 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:47.960 have a small apartment. But Carlos, if you give me 1:32:48.000 --> 1:32:51.800 the opportunity, I'm to be here and you and I 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:59.200 just I'm I'm so proud of you and I you know, 1:32:59.320 --> 1:33:04.000 and vice versa. So what what is next for Kramo Brown? 1:33:04.160 --> 1:33:06.840 Because I know this, This ain't it. 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:10.880 Oh, it's not it. It ain't it. Well, I'll tell 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:12.720 you this. What I am focused on right now is 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.200 like for the past two years, I've been on a 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:19.040 complete wellness journey, like one hundred percent sober, focusing on 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:21.719 my mental health, my physical health. I launched an app 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:25.240 called Key and I it's it's the first app that 1:33:25.600 --> 1:33:29.919 is where you can get a customized fitness plan, customized 1:33:29.960 --> 1:33:34.759 nutrition plan, a grocery list, sobriety support, mental health support. 1:33:34.800 --> 1:33:37.120 I record videos in there all the time. I do 1:33:37.280 --> 1:33:39.479 everything in this app because there's I also have an 1:33:39.520 --> 1:33:42.439 AI where you can talk to me. I also do 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.120 webinars where people can actually ask me real questions and 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:48.840 talk to me. You go to live key dot com. 1:33:49.000 --> 1:33:50.920 L I B e k E dot com to get that. 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:55.360 But I created this because I knew the next journey 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:57.280 was giving all the people who have watched me some 1:33:57.520 --> 1:34:00.080 space that they could go to to have access to to, 1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:03.400 you know, all the resources that I didn't have when 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:05.559 I was trying to build myself up. I will also 1:34:05.640 --> 1:34:09.400 tell you this, I have written three books, children's book, 1:34:09.439 --> 1:34:13.280 one memoir, but and I have been asked for ten 1:34:13.400 --> 1:34:15.360 years to write a self help book. And I always 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:16.840 said I will not write a self help book. I 1:34:16.880 --> 1:34:18.080 said I will not do it. And the reason I 1:34:18.120 --> 1:34:20.080 said I wouldn't do it is because I said, until 1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:22.559 I'm living one hundred percent the truth, I'm not going 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:25.040 to do what these snake oil salesmen do and lied 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:28.439 to nobody. I'm going to have to live it to 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:30.800 give it. I'm not going to be over when I 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:33.720 give advice. It's partly based on my training, but it's 1:34:33.800 --> 1:34:36.599 also based on my life experiences. That's why I'm so transparent. 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:38.519 But I said, a self help book that's going to 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:40.599 live for years, it has to come from a place 1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:42.919 of truth. So I just actually turned in the manuscript 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:46.000 for my first self help book, which I'm super excited about. 1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:50.080 I also have two brand new shows that are be 1:34:50.160 --> 1:34:51.840 coming out that I'll tell you about off on camera 1:34:52.040 --> 1:34:55.599 because the network has announced them. First, I'm gonna cut 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:55.920 you off. 1:34:56.360 --> 1:34:58.880 I was the first to know Alex camera me. I 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:01.719 was the first to know his talk. So he said, hey, bitch, 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:04.000 I'm having to talk show off the record. I'm gonna 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:08.360 do Dancing with the Stars first. I tell you you 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:12.040 said you said it's a strategy. I'm doing that first. 1:35:12.960 --> 1:35:16.439 I will be going by Coramo one name only, and 1:35:16.560 --> 1:35:18.639 then after that my talk show with debut. And I said, 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:20.280 not a strategy, strategy. 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:25.760 That word that, bitch. When I tell you that, people 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:27.120 read me. They were like, what are you doing on 1:35:27.320 --> 1:35:29.320 Dancing with the Stars? This is that is not And 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:32.320 I said, bitch, I want a daytime talk show, and 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:36.160 I want people around the country who are not used 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.479 to watch Netflix or whatever, who's not watching Quera to 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:40.280 know who I am. And I'm not gonna tell him 1:35:40.280 --> 1:35:42.000 my last name. I'm just gonna give him one name. 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:45.560 And bitches, did what I need to do what I 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:48.840 need to do? So what what is everything that's coming next? 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:53.639 And you'll see is is elevating what of how I'm 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:56.240 helping people I'm so clear now about my mission in 1:35:56.360 --> 1:35:58.840 this world. I'm so clear about my purpose. I don't 1:35:58.840 --> 1:36:01.880 even have a question. I know I'm here to heal people. 1:36:02.240 --> 1:36:06.360 I am here to heal. And that looks fun sometimes, 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:09.080 that looks messy sometimes, and it looks straightforward sometimes. But 1:36:09.200 --> 1:36:11.840 I know I am here to heal. I am here 1:36:11.920 --> 1:36:14.240 for people to know that they can call me at 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:16.640 any time. I can guide them. People stop me on 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:18.040 the street and I sit and I talk to them, 1:36:18.120 --> 1:36:20.320 give them advice. People hit me up. Don't be doing 1:36:20.360 --> 1:36:21.720 this all the time, but people hit me up ask 1:36:21.760 --> 1:36:24.719 me for money, and I get money. I'm not joking. 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:26.840 I swear to God. People, you know how you get 1:36:26.880 --> 1:36:28.880 that part of your Instagram where you it's like you can't. 1:36:28.920 --> 1:36:31.240 You got to accept the message. I read those and 1:36:31.400 --> 1:36:33.240 someone will be like, you know, I'm struggling right now, 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:38.280 and I will immediately send them some money because I 1:36:38.600 --> 1:36:40.439 also know what it is like to be a single 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:43.639 father raising two boys in a two bedroom apartment, lying 1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:46.519 on the next fifteen about because I was taking a bus, 1:36:46.600 --> 1:36:48.640 can somebody let me borrow the car so I can 1:36:48.720 --> 1:36:50.760 come drive to this set and seem like I got 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:51.479 a chick card. 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:54.080 Your purchase a steph and he would sometimes drop you 1:36:54.120 --> 1:36:54.519 off at home. 1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:58.479 Dephanie would drop me off at home because everybody else 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:00.320 had Badley's baby. But I was like, baby, I gotta 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:01.840 get off the bus. I gotta get home. It's about 1:37:01.840 --> 1:37:03.920 to be home, Like this is the real. So when 1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:05.680 people hit me up now and this is what I 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:08.439 mean about my purpose and I know I'm here, God 1:37:08.520 --> 1:37:10.760 has blessed me, I am completely bursting you talking about 1:37:10.760 --> 1:37:12.240 my home. You talk about the things that I've getten 1:37:12.520 --> 1:37:15.400 and so I can talk about those things without feeling 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:17.519 fear of people being like he's bragging. Because I give, 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:21.000 I give, I give, I give quietly as we most 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.160 people should give quietly. And I know I'm talking about 1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:23.439 right now. 1:37:23.479 --> 1:37:24.920 Don't let your right hand up to the left hand 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:25.719 is doing exactly. 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:28.599 And so like, I do this because I know I'm 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:30.560 here to help. I know I'm here to heal. I 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.640 know what my purpose is. And when me telling my 1:37:33.720 --> 1:37:36.559 truth recently in the People magazine and sharing thing, I've 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:38.519 had all these executives and people telling me who are 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:40.720 higher up saying, oh my gosh, I've been through that. 1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:43.560 I've experienced that, I've went through that I know what 1:37:43.640 --> 1:37:46.160 you've gone through. We even talked about this in the elevator. 1:37:46.280 --> 1:37:47.880 You were like, oh, bitch, I know exactly what you're 1:37:47.880 --> 1:37:49.599 talking to. I went through the same thing with these 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:53.240 these exact same people. And I'm not calling the names 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:55.599 out because I don't need to, because the names I'm 1:37:55.600 --> 1:37:57.639 gonna call out are the people who are now accepting 1:37:57.680 --> 1:37:59.760 me in new rooms and opening up new doors for you, 1:37:59.840 --> 1:38:02.559 you know what I mean. And so I'm just I'm 1:38:02.640 --> 1:38:05.120 just excited. I'm just excited about what's coming next, Like 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:09.400 twenty then the twenty six, twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, 1:38:09.439 --> 1:38:15.960 twenty eight. Baby, your thought, your thought. There's a reason 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:17.720 that I've been here since two thousand and four, baby, 1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:19.960 over twenty years. Okay, there's a reason. Baby. I know 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:23.360 how to keep reinventing. Girl. Madonna taught us. Beyonce thought 1:38:23.400 --> 1:38:25.680 us the reinvent do what you gotta do it. No, 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:26.920 I'm jerk, and. 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:34.280 Hey, listen for you. Even I know for you, it 1:38:34.479 --> 1:38:40.960 must feel nice to be financially blessed. It feels good 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:46.400 you are a millionaire. Do you okay, okay, okay, I'll 1:38:46.400 --> 1:38:47.559 get between us. Boys. 1:38:47.960 --> 1:38:48.240 Do you. 1:38:49.840 --> 1:38:53.080 Do you sometimes go to your account. Just check it 1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:55.880 and be like, Okay, it's still there. You know, you're like, 1:38:58.520 --> 1:39:01.160 you know what I mean, Like okay, Nini Lee said. 1:39:01.640 --> 1:39:03.679 Nini Lee said when she first made her first million, 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:06.160 and this is the course back in the day where 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:09.320 we all went to ATM machines, Niini Lee said she 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:13.360 will randomly go to the at machine and print off 1:39:13.400 --> 1:39:16.280 the receipt and she were reading to say and she 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:19.960 said her cup holder her car was full of ateen receipts. 1:39:20.560 --> 1:39:23.679 Bick said, I can't believe I have this much money 1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:28.439 my bank account, like me, knowing me, knowing your humble 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:32.360 beginnings and your struggles. And I think this listen, I 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:34.479 think this is empowering for people. Because when Nini shut 1:39:34.520 --> 1:39:37.000 that story, I think it's very empowered and said the 1:39:37.000 --> 1:39:38.599 same to me. She said, first of all, bitch, check 1:39:38.600 --> 1:39:40.439 your ban count every single day. And I'm like every day? 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:42.360 She said, what are you afraid of? And I said, well, 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:43.720 you know, I just don't want She said, check it 1:39:43.760 --> 1:39:47.240 every day. And I said, okay, Like do you sometimes 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:48.800 be like damn, So. 1:39:49.280 --> 1:39:52.360 I'll say this, I talk about this, I'll talk about this. 1:39:52.479 --> 1:39:55.280 In this instance, I don't take my bank account every 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:57.000 day because the way that my money is set up, 1:39:57.160 --> 1:39:59.439 I don't have access to check it like a bank account. 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:03.600 There's no see coming out. You know, like when you 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:05.360 know you have to understand that, you know, you start 1:40:05.400 --> 1:40:07.760 putting your money in trust and sort of investments, sort 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:10.639 of things. You know, when you have those things, you're 1:40:10.680 --> 1:40:13.200 not taking out of an ATM because you know there's 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:16.160 and this is there's a deeper conversation that we need 1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:19.000 to have as black folks about like putting your money 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:21.800 just in some financial institution that is not really paying 1:40:21.880 --> 1:40:24.760 you the dividends you deserve. That it's not making money 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:28.120 for you. It's a different thing. So I can't see 1:40:28.200 --> 1:40:30.720 my money just from ATM because my money is out 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:33.479 there working right now. She's at work, she has a job. 1:40:33.880 --> 1:40:35.719 She has a job to do right now. So bitch, 1:40:35.960 --> 1:40:37.800 And like just like any employee, bitch, if I see 1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:39.400 you hanging around, bitch, I'm gonna say what you doing? 1:40:40.200 --> 1:40:43.240 What is going on? Why you ain't got no work 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:44.600 to do. It's like when I was young and my 1:40:44.640 --> 1:40:45.880 mama walking in the house and she'd be like, yell, 1:40:45.920 --> 1:40:48.479 ain't got none to do right now. That's how I 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:49.960 feel about my money. You ain't got none to do 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:55.360 right now. So but I am very thankful because I 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:58.080 am I will never go back to where I was 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:02.320 because I know what it's like, and I will always 1:41:02.439 --> 1:41:06.240 make sure that I am putting my money right, putting 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:09.160 in things. Literally, one day we should have a conversation 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:11.200 about black finances and what to do. 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:14.800 We gotta Yeah, black people with financial literacy is a thing, 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:18.400 and you know, hide and get under your mattress or 1:41:18.479 --> 1:41:21.240 just in the in the financial institution is not the move. 1:41:21.680 --> 1:41:24.680 I was giving a girlfriend the other day who is 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:26.759 struggling right now because she just got through a divorce, 1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:29.599 and I said, go buy you an insurance, a life 1:41:29.760 --> 1:41:31.519 a life insurance policy. And she said what for And 1:41:31.600 --> 1:41:32.920 I said, go buy it and then put it into 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:37.719 a trust. Now, we can't go deep into this because 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:40.320 this is not the space. But I just put out, 1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:42.479 y'all on game. This is not something for the wealthy 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:45.680 to do. You are got some money right now, go 1:41:45.800 --> 1:41:48.400 get a life insurance policy a million dollars, Go put 1:41:48.439 --> 1:41:51.160 in a trust because then that's what you borrow against 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:55.080 and you'll be making money off of that. Now, Go Google, 1:41:55.280 --> 1:41:58.880 Go go putting chat GBT and claude and learn. But 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:00.800 these are the conversations that I'd be saying to people, 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:03.519 like they think you have to have money to make money. 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:05.479 They think you have to be rich to do things. 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:07.960 And I'm like, any nigga out there who's ever had 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:10.479 to work and do something, you are smart enough. If 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:12.280 you were smart enough to figure out your bus schedule 1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:13.439 to get to work, you smart enough to make a 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:16.160 million dollars. Baby, you are smart enough. You have it 1:42:16.280 --> 1:42:19.479 in you. And just I just I just can't wait 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:21.880 to have more of those real conversations of how what 1:42:22.080 --> 1:42:25.559 I learned? What I learned, Like how I said, Okay, 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:26.960 what do I do with this? You know what I mean? 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:28.720 Because again you know me, like I'm taking a bus 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:33.080 and doing whatever. And now I'm like, I don't do 1:42:33.200 --> 1:42:35.519 that no more. Well I still do sometimes? 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:35.880 Why no, No? 1:42:36.360 --> 1:42:39.960 And the thing is, actually I rode my bike here. 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:43.720 Good, well the range. 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:44.200 I know this. 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.000 I recently saw my house. I said, I don't need 1:42:47.080 --> 1:42:47.840 this big ass house. 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:49.640 It was it was. 1:42:51.960 --> 1:42:54.360 Because the thing is, I'm like, it's just me. 1:42:54.640 --> 1:42:56.479 I have no kids, no young people. 1:42:57.000 --> 1:42:57.759 I don't have a family. 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:04.360 They told us nobody. It's a scam. I mean serving 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:08.679 all the extra fees, baby, I will rent all day. 1:43:09.240 --> 1:43:11.200 Thank you. Home Ownership is not the flex. 1:43:11.760 --> 1:43:14.720 Not the flex, baby, listen, And I'm not saying if 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:15.519 this for you, do it. 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:18.120 If you have a family and you want to live 1:43:18.120 --> 1:43:20.519 in a house for ten plus years, bye, buy a house. 1:43:21.200 --> 1:43:25.799 If you like me and you doing it traveling living. 1:43:26.960 --> 1:43:28.200 I don't need to show off with no big house 1:43:28.240 --> 1:43:30.519 some more. That's when when I first made it, that 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:31.960 was what I needed to do. I felt like I 1:43:32.040 --> 1:43:33.760 needed to do it to prove to myself I made it. 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:35.960 Now I don't know better. I don't need to. I 1:43:36.080 --> 1:43:38.800 need to. And what I do want is investment properties. Yes, 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:42.040 what I do want is to be in my apartment 1:43:42.080 --> 1:43:44.000 and when something go break down, I call somebody else 1:43:44.040 --> 1:43:46.400 and don't have to worry about no warranty, no fixing. Bitch, 1:43:46.479 --> 1:43:48.960 come in here eleven o'clock at night. The building I living. 1:43:48.960 --> 1:43:52.439 I'd be like, hey, the oven light's not out, can 1:43:52.479 --> 1:43:54.000 you come fix it? And they'd be like, yes, sir. 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:56.400 They get tired to be putting together a quest request 1:43:56.520 --> 1:43:56.960 all the time. 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:01.960 Mister kinger be like are you at home? I'm actually not, 1:44:02.080 --> 1:44:03.240 but going going. 1:44:04.560 --> 1:44:08.479 Look e shit is motherfucker because everything is gone. And bitch, 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:13.000 when I'm done with you'all, I'm gone tell you we're 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:14.680 gonna put these kids on one day. Let's put the 1:44:14.760 --> 1:44:18.519 kids off. I thank you, thank you for this. God's 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:21.640 timing is always perfect. This was a time for us 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:25.160 to talk. And I'll say it over and over and 1:44:25.240 --> 1:44:27.840 over again. I'm thankful for our friendship. But I'm also 1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:31.559 proud of the man that you are. And from one 1:44:31.680 --> 1:44:34.160 fellow gay black man to another, keep soaring. 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:38.240 You. You make us proud. You, you make us proud. 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:40.320 If I can leave your audience with one thing, go ahead, baby, 1:44:40.400 --> 1:44:42.479 message for them, go ahead. This is something I've been 1:44:42.520 --> 1:44:46.760 telling people recently that I want people to hear, and 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:50.120 I've been saying this a lot lately. The compass was 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:52.719 invented before the clock, so it's not about the amount 1:44:52.720 --> 1:44:55.200 of time. It's about the direction. And I think sometimes 1:44:55.240 --> 1:44:56.760 people get caught up with the amount of time it's 1:44:56.760 --> 1:44:59.000 gonna take for their goals to get the family they want. 1:44:59.320 --> 1:45:01.679 They feel like I gotta hit it by this time. Baby. 1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:03.479 It's about the direction you're going in. Look at what 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:06.240 you're doing, the steps that you're taking, how you're guiding yourself, 1:45:06.360 --> 1:45:09.719 who you're aligning with, how you're acting. That's more important 1:45:09.720 --> 1:45:11.960 than the time it takes, because what we are true 1:45:12.000 --> 1:45:14.800 testaments of is baby. I could have, like you said before, 1:45:14.840 --> 1:45:17.160 with all these reality stars, I could have saw an 1:45:17.200 --> 1:45:20.559 opportunity and said, oh fuck. It's also what happened now. 1:45:21.360 --> 1:45:23.760 I still don't even know what greater is coming, because 1:45:23.800 --> 1:45:25.760 but I do know the direction I'm going. And that's 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:27.200 my little last little piece of for y'all. 1:45:28.960 --> 1:45:38.280 Karama Brown, y'all, I'm sorry, Karama. Reality with the King 1:45:38.720 --> 1:45:44.000 is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Mimics, 1:45:44.360 --> 1:45:47.920 and a partnership with the Lack of Effect Network. You 1:45:48.040 --> 1:45:50.800 can also find us on my YouTube channel at Being 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:52.480 Carlos King Underscore