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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lollie. He is man William saying,

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Speaker 1: this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio in ESPN

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Speaker 1: nine to seventy and our live ongoing coverage from Steelers

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Speaker 1: training camp here at Saint Vincent College. This is our

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Speaker 1: number two for today and what the rain continues to

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Speaker 1: hold off here, Yeah, which is a good thing. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how that continues the rest of the week. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't look I don't know greatly for Tuesday, I guess,

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Speaker 1: but it's a little ways away. Yeah, it's a little way.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if that changes between now and then.

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Speaker 2: But we've been unbelievably lucky with BEAUTIFU.

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Speaker 1: Really has been, you know, even when it has rained,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been any thunder and lightning. So they have

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Speaker 1: rights practice like they've practiced through the rain a couple

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Speaker 1: of times already.

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Speaker 2: And the coaches don't mind some rain too. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: have to deal with the l and so to be

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Speaker 2: able to do that, it's been hot, but not crazy hot,

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Speaker 2: and it's been sunny and beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I know Mike Tomlin would like it to

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Speaker 1: be hotter, hotter, I'm sure. I'm sure bring on the heat.

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Speaker 1: As I say, that. Now I look out there and

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Speaker 1: there is sprinkling, is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, let's say it's starting.

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Speaker 1: So a light rain. Even the crowd. Some of the

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Speaker 1: people in the crowd starting to put up some umbrellas here,

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Speaker 1: but nothing too crazy at this point. It's just a

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Speaker 1: light light rain. But that will clear some people out here.

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Speaker 1: It's just you know, they start looking Okay, if it's

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Speaker 1: gonna get heavy, I'm gonna get out of here. I

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Speaker 1: keep playing. Yeah, you like the heavy stuff coming out

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Speaker 1: for quite a while.

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Speaker 2: They're doing nine on seven's here another middle of the

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Speaker 2: field throw to a tight end. Starting to be a

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Speaker 2: trend here, see a theme, Yeah, see a thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a trend.

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Speaker 2: I like it absolutely so who we got out there?

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Speaker 2: We got Washington, we got McFarlane, We've got Gunner or no,

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Speaker 2: Gunner's coming off. Looks like Trubisky's basically got the twos there,

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Speaker 2: give or take.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, hard to tell that in days like this

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Speaker 1: when you're missing so many starters. But yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: like what I've seen from the offense thus far. And

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people were gonna hold the

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Speaker 1: hold off judgment on that until they see what happens.

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Speaker 1: But I just think this offense again, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: say it has nowhere to go but up, because I

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Speaker 1: thought they played pretty well overall in the second half

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Speaker 1: of last year, for sure, But punching the ball into

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Speaker 1: the end.

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Speaker 2: Zone score more points, yeah, score more points. More explosives

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Speaker 2: would be good as well, you know, right, more middle

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Speaker 2: of the field. No, there's but they're as you said.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they accomplished a lot in the second half

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Speaker 2: of the year though, Yeah, I mean starting with the

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Speaker 2: run game, you come up.

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Speaker 1: With that mentality that that, hey, we're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to run the football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like we know that all that was a big.

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Speaker 1: Question mark wing into last year. Sure are they gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to run the ball better that it had

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Speaker 1: been for the last three or four years? Can they

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Speaker 1: run the football better?

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Speaker 2: And now I think the quarterback is really prone to

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Speaker 2: take a step forward. I think the schemes coming a

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Speaker 2: long way. They better personnel. You know, you had Solamalu

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Speaker 2: and the draft picks and Alan Robinson. I mean those

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Speaker 2: are better dudes than you played with last year. So no,

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Speaker 2: I think the offense is ascending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just you know, can it be?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be and everybody says, well, you

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Speaker 1: got to be able to outscore the Chiefs or the Bangals.

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Speaker 1: You have to be able to outscore whoever you happen

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Speaker 1: to play that protect that game, right right, and all

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Speaker 1: it matters is to you outscore them by one point.

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Speaker 1: That that's the bottom line. But you'd like to be

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Speaker 1: again to your point, a little.

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Speaker 2: More explosive and more explosive. You know.

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Speaker 1: They had a lot of trips into the red zone

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Speaker 1: last year, but they were middle of the pack in

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Speaker 1: terms of scoring in the red zone, even maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit below, you know, middle of the pack, you know.

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Speaker 1: So if you can take advantage of the trips that

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Speaker 1: you do make into the red zone and get that

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Speaker 1: average up. I think they're around fifty two percent last

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Speaker 1: year on touchdowns. If you can get up around fifty

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Speaker 1: a little bit above that. But add some explosives to

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Speaker 2: I agree, way too many of their touchdowns came from

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Speaker 2: close range, you know, and they need to stretch a

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Speaker 2: field more. I think you'll get more and more looks. Well, frankly,

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Speaker 2: they ran the ball into eight man boxes like as

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Speaker 2: well as any team in the league. So teams played

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Speaker 2: them near the line of scrimmage and they didn't take

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Speaker 2: they didn't make them pay for it. In the passing game,

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Speaker 2: that has to change, and I'm guessing it does, and

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it falls on Picket too,

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Speaker 2: just being more comfortable knowing when to take shots. He

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Speaker 2: did have. You did make a lot of big throws

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Speaker 2: in the second half of the season without putting the

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Speaker 2: ball in harm's way, which is critical. Critical, it's a

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Speaker 2: great word for it. Yeah, but I do think it's

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Speaker 2: going the right way. And I love that they're practicing

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Speaker 2: and working on all the areas that we were complaining

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Speaker 2: about last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of stuff in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field, down the field, even stuff that's down the

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Speaker 1: field when they go down the field. Now you see

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Speaker 1: deep outs and things of that. Yeah, just go routes,

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Speaker 1: go route, Go route, go route.

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Speaker 2: Really paid attention to the number it goes, and it's

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Speaker 2: way way down and.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you can get your your number of

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Speaker 1: twenty yard plays up, yeah, you know, and you do

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Speaker 1: that by you know, some deep ends and things of

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Speaker 1: that nature where you're pushing the ball down field. That's

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Speaker 1: gona keep. Let's going to back the safeties off more

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Speaker 1: than just continuing to throw go routes down the sideline.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and go routes, especially when you know they're coming.

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Speaker 2: Aren't that difficult defense they have that side sideline rent, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: as a defender. And the other thing people don't think

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Speaker 2: after go route. They get tired, right, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. That's a sprint, I mean, and it's a

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Speaker 2: time again you're not going to be quite as fresh.

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Speaker 2: But when I say explosives, they don't have to resent

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Speaker 2: and result in touchdowns, you know what I mean. Twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty yard pass play that's a chunk catch and run.

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Speaker 2: Whatever how you get them doesn't matter, you know. So

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Speaker 2: I like that they're not in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: field again. Another one, Yeah, Washington using his big body

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Speaker 2: he's looking good.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, Matt, you know, since and I'm

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Speaker 1: not counting the individual drill stuff, but since we saw

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Speaker 1: George Pickens on the opening play, of training camp. Right,

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Speaker 1: run that run that go we're oute down the sideline.

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen that a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: Austin here and there, Yeah, Pickens here and there.

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Speaker 1: You do see.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't count, but you do see some running backs

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Speaker 2: running down the sidelines deep, you know, especially earlier, and.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, that's different. That's different. Yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 1: something you're gonna win that. Yeah, that's what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Gure deep down the middle, right down in the middle,

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Speaker 1: get right on them. Yeah, put it right on him.

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Speaker 2: Is that nice throw by the young young whipper snapper

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Speaker 2: Morgan's That was a nice day for him.

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Speaker 1: That was the tears now there down the down the

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Speaker 2: It could have been more of the middle of the field. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was a deep, deep middle right between the hashes.

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Speaker 2: You're right, that was great. It's funny you mentioned that

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Speaker 2: Pickens orsus Peterson first play and it was cool, you know,

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Speaker 2: like challenge them, But I go, I'm sitting in the

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Speaker 2: back of my head like a go route. We can

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Speaker 2: see eight million go routes, and then we haven't we

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Speaker 2: have it.

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Speaker 1: We really haven't I mean, you know there there have

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Speaker 1: been some, but not nearly as many.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nearly as reliant on it. It's great.

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Speaker 1: And you know, so if you're a team studying the

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Speaker 1: Steelers going, if you're the San Francisco forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna look back at last year's film of the

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Speaker 1: Steelers and you're gonna see all the Okay, we better

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Speaker 1: be ready to defend the go route, and.

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Speaker 2: Then they don't do it. Then they don't do it right.

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Speaker 1: You know. Now you're you start your twenty years down

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Speaker 1: the field and you break it off and you run

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Speaker 1: a deep in, You're gonna put that corner. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: put them at risk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we got a team period coming up here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: probably nearing the end of practice. I believe is a

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Speaker 2: two minutes drill. Here is a finish off practice here.

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Speaker 2: So Kenny Pickett in the shotgun here with nay is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so nausey out there in a two minute situation,

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Speaker 1: which I like to see. Yeah, I'm glad they do

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Speaker 1: this for the breaks before the day off. It's a

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Speaker 1: farmuth over the middle for about an eight yard game.

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Speaker 1: He's getting guys, assume they.

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Speaker 2: Need a touchdown. Yeah, usually you said, they usually give

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Speaker 2: him a timeout as well. Yep, get it out up a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit behind Calvin Austin and that one again. That rain, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the rain just slicked up the field a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Connor Hayward started on but stops called that does stop

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Speaker 1: the clocks. That's not bad. It's third and three here,

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Speaker 1: So I gave a seven yard game of seven years

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Speaker 1: old right at the beginning. Yeah, because now on third

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Speaker 1: and three you can scramble if you're Kenny pick it

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, and if it's a must

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Speaker 2: have situation, you can hand the ball off. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's got nae of hairs to his right. Uh, double

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Speaker 1: receivers to his left. A single down here on the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, good rush all, nice pass here, well, Cody White,

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Speaker 1: he gets gets the ball up on the crosser and

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Speaker 1: that could he gets out of bounds. That gets him

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Speaker 1: a first down.

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Speaker 2: There was some pressure blind side though that they had

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Speaker 2: to slow up on instead of blasting a quarterback. But

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Speaker 2: this isn't exactly full speed defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they are at the they're now in the

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Speaker 1: defensive defense of forty five here with the first down,

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Speaker 1: he got out of bounds, So that was helpful as well,

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Speaker 1: so they can huddle up and regroup. Got Connor Hayward

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Speaker 1: out there now, and he's see I guess that's a wing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Pickens to his outside. You got double receivers on the

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Speaker 2: Take a shot with pick.

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Speaker 1: Nausea Harris on his left. Picket takes the snap, drops back,

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Speaker 1: got a good pocket safety, Okay, Al, he's got wide

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody White. So Pickens scrambled a little bit, stepped

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Speaker 1: don't know if they bit on him starting to run there,

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Speaker 1: if somebody ran in underneath it. Yeah, that route.

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Speaker 2: I was focusing more on this side of the field

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Speaker 2: with Pickens and didn't give Cody White enough credit, and

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Speaker 2: I think the defense did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was wide open, and to Pickts credit, he

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Speaker 1: spots him in that situation. B that's a tough throw.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough throw. That's about a thirty five forty

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Speaker 2: Little bit, and there were bodies around him. He couldn't

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Speaker 2: was a very nice throw.

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Speaker 1: It looks like they mark him down at the four there.

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Speaker 1: That looks like the offense used their time out in

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Speaker 2: I think is fair. I don't know that he would have.

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Speaker 1: Scored, yeah, right, I don't think he would have been

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Speaker 1: a spectacular play. We got basically four downs here from

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Speaker 1: the from the four. We can't see what the clock

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Speaker 1: would think empty backfield, and you get the Warren now

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Speaker 1: motioning in and he's to his pickets left, takes the

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Speaker 2: More pressure that would have been on that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we get the end completion there that was

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Speaker 1: again to White as he was going out of balance.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't pull that one in, but that would probably

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Speaker 1: would have been a sack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a nice rush there. That was a

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Speaker 2: quincy roche backside. I think he was the one two

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Speaker 2: plays ago. Well, okay, I think I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, In that situation. You would like to see Picket

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially in the red zone thrown away or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know. Right, live to live, to take the play,

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Speaker 1: Matt ten, you have three more shots, right, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: get firearmouth the single receiver to the left side here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you might like that. Look.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got worn on that side as well, So

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Speaker 1: webe used firearmouth to clear that side out and then

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Speaker 1: he's looking right coming across the field and tried to

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Speaker 1: put it up. We're only George Pickets picket. Yeah, George

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Speaker 1: Pickens could catch it and a little too high, a

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Speaker 1: little too high for Picket.

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Speaker 2: That play was taken a little while too. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: under a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 1: But no, he kind of just shogged hold out to

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Speaker 2: So now we got third from the four. Yeah, defense

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Speaker 2: is holding up. Well, let's see what they go with here.

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Speaker 2: I assume they have two cracks at it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind seeing something to friar Muth get him

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Speaker 1: gonna do it down on this side. Now again it's

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Speaker 2: Well they got.

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Speaker 1: They got a bunch of formation to his left, fire

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Speaker 1: to do something like that here, Warren's gonna chip picking

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Speaker 1: steps out to cheat and yeah, we're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: him down at the one here, now, goode inside he

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Speaker 1: you got fourth down here, this is for all the marbles.

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Speaker 2: But of course that's the game. He's gonna put a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see what happens here. He's got Warn to

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Speaker 1: looking down the line of scrimmage. Deny, he was trying

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Speaker 1: to go to that quick slant to Cody White. He

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Speaker 2: He liked. Oh he had planned it about it.

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Speaker 1: Boom it was there go the.

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Speaker 2: Defense credit they had they had a coverage bust and

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Speaker 2: then made up for it, you know on the four

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Speaker 2: for four plays in a row.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd like to see that, you know, with Allan

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Speaker 1: I don't think either in either time that they've run

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Speaker 1: both been times when they've been unpadded practices and it's

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Speaker 2: Well, the defense would like that.

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Speaker 1: T J.

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Speaker 2: Watt and Camp true true, So yeah, exactly, sheah, they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have minded that. But now we're do it again

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Speaker 2: with the twos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Here if Drive starts on their own thirty five, same circumstances,

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Speaker 2: you know, got to get got to get a score, Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: leave this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the second team offense did score the last time

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Speaker 1: that they did this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see how this goes kind of the Washington signature

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Speaker 1: I would think next week when they do this, if

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Speaker 1: Morgan's gonna play, A good sign of that would be

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Speaker 2: And runs one of these has one Yeah, maybe he

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Speaker 2: there's a quick out out. Yeah, I think you get

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Speaker 2: the first Yep, looks like it marked it just short. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you have second and less. Yeah, nice game there.

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Speaker 2: Now you can take a shot, maybe, kirs Patrick, you

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Speaker 1: Line it up again here he's got Anthony McFarland calling

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Speaker 1: something there, Coach blew Mike yeah, Mike Tomlins stopping that

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Speaker 1: when he wants to.

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Speaker 2: See they don't have they don't have refs here today.

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Speaker 1: I can't Yeah, I can't tell what he's barking there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe something to the defense there. Hey, guys know the situation.

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Speaker 1: Not a penalty though, not a penalty, just pre stamp

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Trubisky stops, He takes the easy gets the first down

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Speaker 2: Over the middle, right to the fifty to the wonder

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Speaker 2: if they had two plays called there? Maybe maybe looks

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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 1: He gets them quickly to the line again, shifts mc

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Speaker 1: He drops back. Got a good pocket again. Oh it

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Speaker 2: That's nice.

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Speaker 1: That's a nice throw down there to Miles Boykin. Yep,

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Speaker 1: down the sea down about the twenty two to twenty

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Speaker 1: three here, it looks like they're marking it the twenty

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Speaker 1: three that was against thirty eight out there on the outside.

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Speaker 1: That is Maudrey Harper out there.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Tribisky put that right on the money.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he did, very decisive about it.

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Speaker 2: Get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that catch sure looks like they're going to give

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Speaker 2: I think they're giving it to him. That's a typical

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Speaker 2: Connor Hayward's.

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Speaker 1: Connor Hayward just caught that ball sliding to the ground

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Speaker 1: against his helmet. Right. We don't replay here, folks, but

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Speaker 1: he's inside ten now. Yeah, they gave him a catch

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Speaker 1: and nearly intercepted there.

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Speaker 2: Somebody didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah by by thirty five? Uh luke barkou on that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's stuff. So that stops a clock.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I wouldn't have mentioned that. They've done

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Speaker 2: I'm all in favor of it. But I love then

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Speaker 2: the two minutes drill they saw that. Yeah, yeah, because

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Speaker 2: you don't you don't want to take the time time. Yeah. Right,

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Speaker 2: they're doing a little bit, but it's not the long you.

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Speaker 1: Know, exactly to your point that you always bring up,

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Speaker 1: Matt when you go to a two minute offense like

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Speaker 1: of default. Oh yeah, yeah, so you would know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they play a lot of zone in these situations. They

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Speaker 1: figured out quick and I got tipped and got do

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Speaker 1: you get it?

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Speaker 2: I think that's two tip balls by the day and

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Speaker 2: passed by.

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Speaker 1: The defense that that Elijah Riley comes down with.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I give them credit or not.

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Speaker 2: They don't see any celebrate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they the defense was trying to sell it, but

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Speaker 1: they're saying, no, the ball hit the ground.

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Speaker 2: So so what downs? Yeah, third and goal from the

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Speaker 2: seventh third and yeah, we'll.

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Speaker 1: Call that the seven. Just in just outside the seven there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Trubisky back, He's got McFarland to his left again. He

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Speaker 1: scans the defense, calls for the shotgun. Snap here, drops back,

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Speaker 1: plants fires broken up again. Yeah, broken up again, trying

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Speaker 1: to go to Miles Boyking there and uh again thirty

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Speaker 1: five Luke Barku with the.

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Speaker 2: Pass breakout gettings.

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Speaker 1: It might be the best of the best of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the guys we didn't know much about, and now

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Speaker 2: we're starting to learn about that guys. Yeah, at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the roster. Dudes, he's doing alright for himself again,

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Speaker 2: gets his hands on the football. Okay, we got fourth

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Speaker 2: down worth here for all the marbles.

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Speaker 1: All the marbles. What you what you're looking for here?

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Speaker 2: Matt Who you who we got out there that you like?

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Speaker 2: Maybe the big fellow Washington again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got Boykin out there, you got Washington.

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Speaker 2: You get some big bodies out then, McFarlane, I don't

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Speaker 2: know who the fifth skill guy is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking here. Eighty two is out there, so

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Speaker 1: that would be as so another good size receiver, six

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Speaker 1: to two receiver. The small guy out there is Gunnerald

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Speaker 2: I would be keying on Washington.

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Speaker 1: They've got Boykins singled up out there on the outside

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Speaker 1: on the left side. Let's see if he tries to

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Speaker 1: go that way. He's looking all Washington. Washington slipped and

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Speaker 1: the past goes incomplete. That might have been there. It

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Speaker 1: might have been there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a little slip right there, right, and

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Speaker 2: then the Mitch threw it before he slipped.

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Speaker 1: Not a bad idea by mitched Trubisky. Hey, let's go

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Speaker 1: to the big guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And Washington's not happy themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The as soon as he is like, Trubisky let

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Speaker 1: his break. As soon as the head tried to go,

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Speaker 1: he tried to turn the head around, he slipped to

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Speaker 1: the ground and the ball went flying about a yard

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Speaker 1: in front of him. There.

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Speaker 2: That might have been looked like a touchdown, Sure did.

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Speaker 2: I was keying on him the whole time too, and

444
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, they're gonna hit him here. Yeah, and

445
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Speaker 2: that will do it for the defense. Wins both defense

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Speaker 2: two for two. The offense did drive down there with

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Speaker 2: the ball but was unable to get it into the

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Speaker 2: end zone. Yep. And apparently they didn't need a field goal,

449
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Speaker 2: so yeah, they needed a touchdown just short.

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Speaker 1: That's good competition though. That's when people, you know, we

451
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Speaker 1: saw it with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday when he tweeted out that,

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Speaker 1: you know, everything with Mike Tomlin's practices is competition and

453
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Speaker 1: absol These guys love that stuff. They love Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: the defense has uh has bragging rights for they also won,

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Speaker 1: yeah for two days. Yeah, they also won seven shots

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Speaker 1: earlier today I had four to three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, a good day of good days, another good

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Speaker 1: day of practice in the books here for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy are

463
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Speaker 1: live ongoing coverage from Steelers training camp here at Saint

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Speaker 1: Vincent College. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson,

466
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Speaker 1: and this is a drive on Steelers Nation Radio and

467
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Speaker 1: ESPN nine to seventy and the Steelers getting a full

468
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Speaker 1: practice in today. There was some question about whether that happened,

469
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Speaker 1: but the players that were able to get that in.

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Speaker 1: It's family day here, so you see a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys out there with their loved ones.

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Speaker 2: There's more people on the field now than usual in

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Speaker 2: terms of friends and family and et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so good practice ended there with that two minutes

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Speaker 1: ro and again you look at what the offense did there.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if Cody White gets in or doesn't

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Speaker 1: get in on them right right, so you know that's questionable.

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Speaker 1: He may have split those two defenders there and gotten in.

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Speaker 1: You don't know, but I think maybe Mike Thomas and

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Speaker 1: now we're gonna put that at the four and give

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Speaker 1: them shots here, so you have four shots from the

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Speaker 1: one or from the four, and they did not get

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Speaker 1: in scrambling may have again same thing. Does he get

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Speaker 1: in there? Maybe maybe with his momentum carries him into

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Speaker 1: the end zone. You just don't know.

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Speaker 2: He might make that guy miss or you get a

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Speaker 2: shoulder down to get that extra yard.

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Speaker 1: But a really good throw on that situation and that

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Speaker 1: rollout to the left, Oh yeah, to Cody White. You

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Speaker 1: know that that's a that's a big time throw. It is.

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Speaker 2: That's not an easy throw at all. Defense will probably

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Speaker 2: get a talking to for that one too. That look

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Speaker 2: like a lapse and cover on coverage or something and

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Speaker 2: they toughed up near the goal one. You know, in

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Speaker 2: both instances so I know everyone focuses on the offense

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Speaker 2: when it's easier to do, especially when there's not pads on.

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Speaker 2: But the coverage is pretty good. They're done well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so another good practice in the books. And well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what what goes on here with the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: They get the day off tomorrow, so I guess a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys maybe taking the day off tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: going home. Yeah, there'll still be something. Some of the

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Speaker 1: younger guys probably will be hanging around up here. I

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Speaker 1: mean the fact that they go golfing or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, say, some of the young guys maybe just hang

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Speaker 2: and get extra sleep and hang with their buds and

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Speaker 2: you know, do very little or who knows. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would imagine some of these guys are going to go

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Speaker 2: home with their families after family Day, you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, I had head back to Pittsburgh or wherever. No

511
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Speaker 1: Joey Porter Junior out there today. I guess he's dealing

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Speaker 1: with an ankle injury of some type. Nothing serious.

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Speaker 2: No, I saw him out there happy, and you know

514
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Speaker 2: he's not in a boot or anything or you know.

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Speaker 1: But also, no making Fitzpatrick out there. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: KZ was not out there either yet.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're just veteran day off guys. Patrick Peterson

519
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Speaker 1: wasn't out there. So there's four members of your secondary

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Speaker 1: they're going to play a reason snaps. Yeah, so a

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Speaker 1: little bit different.

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Speaker 2: So today wasn't exactly ones on ones No, But you.

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Speaker 1: Know, anytime Kenny Pickett's on the field, you want to

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Speaker 1: see the offense look sharp, but you also want to

525
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Speaker 1: conversely want to see the defense look sharp. So we

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Speaker 1: get to actually see a little bit of both there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, and you know, back to Pickett, he

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Speaker 2: looks very in control. You know, he's moving guys pre

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Speaker 2: snap there. There was one play I meant to mention

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Speaker 2: it down by the goal line where friar Mouth looked

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Speaker 2: like he was going to come in motion and Kenny

532
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Speaker 2: was like, no, no, I don't want that now. You know,

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Speaker 2: like I could tell that their communication was, I know

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Speaker 2: that's what we call, but I don't want that now.

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Speaker 2: And you know, because you feel uncomfortable both just running

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Speaker 2: things exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think I know what the defense is running here.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to have that motion here exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I don't see you mentioned a couple of days

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Speaker 2: ago but it certainly holds up. I've seen very very

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Speaker 2: few poor decisions from Picket, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 2: knowing where to go with the ball. They're not all complete,

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Speaker 2: they're not all big plays, but rarely do I say, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you threw that one. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: When people talk about Kenny Pickett and you know, they

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Speaker 1: want to bring up the numbers from that, I say,

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Speaker 1: he just looks the part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, you see so many young quarterbacks in this league.

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Speaker 2: That's really the first part, and they never do. Sometimes

552
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Speaker 2: they just don't get it. And he has pretty much

553
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Speaker 2: since the beginning and really does now, you know. And

554
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Speaker 2: I know that's not scientific and that doesn't create touchdowns,

555
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Speaker 2: but being comfortable in your skin in this role, being

556
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Speaker 2: an NFL starting quarterback there's I'm gonna be thirty two

557
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Speaker 2: of them in week one is a lot to deal with,

558
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Speaker 2: you know, especially as he young guy getting the respect

559
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Speaker 2: of your you know, your your teammates, and you know,

560
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Speaker 2: I saw him in the cafeteria today sitting there with

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Speaker 2: the old lineman.

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Speaker 1: Yucking it up, and you know, fits in with everybody.

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Speaker 1: He's there with the offensive lineman every day. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not a bad idea there. I just mentioned that

565
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Speaker 1: to Wolf. We were sitting there having lunch to one

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Speaker 1: day and I said, Kenny's there with the with the

567
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman eating lunch a lot, and he goes, well,

568
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Speaker 1: he knows where his bread's buttered at. So well, if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know where his bread's buttered at, the offensive

570
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Speaker 1: line is a good place to start to ask them where, Hey,

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Speaker 1: where's the bread at?

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Speaker 2: No, I think you have heard a lot of that

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Speaker 2: over history of some of the great quarterbacks are really

574
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Speaker 2: close with their o linemen. I think Ben and Pounty

575
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Speaker 2: were really tight. And you know, I mean they're different

576
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Speaker 2: worlds and one of them, you know, one of them

577
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Speaker 2: is grunt work and it's a different mentality. One of

578
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Speaker 2: them is the star of the show. But one doesn't

579
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Speaker 2: worry about the other.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't. So it's just a good sign. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, some guys maybe maybe they go hang out

582
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Speaker 1: just the quarterbacks go hang out together. Just the quarterback

583
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Speaker 1: wants to be at the wide receivers that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You see all those guys together. It's not just the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and the offensive line. You know, I'll see Deontay

586
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Speaker 1: Johnson over there hanging with those guys, and these guys

587
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Speaker 1: generally like each other.

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Speaker 2: No, and I do think this team values that. Some

589
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Speaker 2: of it's a small percentage, but the familiarity of brothers

590
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Speaker 2: and lineage and all that stuff I think helps. But

591
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Speaker 2: they value character and leadership a great deal. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of team captains that they draft. I mean, guys

593
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Speaker 2: like Solo Maluo are very very smart and Fojoko that

594
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Speaker 2: they add big personalities you know that are been around

595
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Speaker 2: and understand, you know what it takes to winning this league.

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Speaker 1: Smart, you know, Matt. The Hall of Fame ceremony took

597
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Speaker 1: place yesterday, Yeah, over in Canton, and we saw some

598
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Speaker 1: new guys going into the Hall of Fame. Just looking here,

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Speaker 1: I look at some players who will be eligible for

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Speaker 1: next year. No, okay, I don't know that less. You're

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Speaker 1: looking at Julius Peppers. These are first time ers. These

602
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Speaker 1: are first timers. Peppers, Julius Peppers is going to have

603
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Speaker 1: a strong case, strong strong case.

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Speaker 2: Edge isn't easy. You know, it took Fire a couple

605
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Speaker 2: of years. Freeny didn't get in. I think, would you

606
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Speaker 2: put Peppers over where in Freeny?

607
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Speaker 1: I think so?

608
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Speaker 2: I think so. I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: So what's crazy about that? Guys? In his spare time,

611
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Speaker 2: he was the sixth man at North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well, speaking of that, the next guy on

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Speaker 1: this list also a former basketball player in college, Antonio Gates.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think he's in too. I think he has

615
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Speaker 2: a lot stronger case than a lot of the guys

616
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Speaker 2: went this year. I mean, he's got to be top

617
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Speaker 2: three or four in all times, tight ends every category basically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough. Did he hang on a little

619
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Speaker 1: too long at the end, Yeah, it made it. You know,

620
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Speaker 1: you don't remember, you know, if.

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Speaker 2: He was dominant for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there was there was a ten year

623
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Speaker 1: stretch there where Antonio Gates.

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Speaker 2: Was Everyone says this, but I think there is some

625
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Speaker 2: truth to it. Is if you say Peppers Gates and

626
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Speaker 2: your initial reaction is yes, yes, yeah, then that's almost

627
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: all you need, you know. I mean, some people just

628
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: passed the sniff test of do we have to really

629
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Speaker 2: talk about this a lot or not. I don't know

630
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Speaker 2: all the numbers, but I bet they're quite good. I

631
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Speaker 2: think Gates and Peppers go.

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Speaker 1: Eric Berry, No, I don't see that happening. No, HELLOADI

633
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Speaker 1: nada poor guy. I don't think so. I think he

634
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Speaker 1: has too much composition to him. Yeah, he was good,

635
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: he was really good. Yeah, and not just saying that

636
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: because he's a raven. I don't think he played super long.

637
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you might have a real short stint, but

638
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Speaker 1: his that's like Suggs is going to have a stronger yeah,

639
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: yeah argument there than Holoading not at us.

640
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Speaker 2: And you might, I mean you might ask all the

641
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Speaker 2: corolignment of that year and say, I'd rather play against

642
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: Suggs than Nada, Right, But just on paper, Suggs's case

643
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: is stronger.

644
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Speaker 1: How about Jamal Charles?

645
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: No, but man, I think like Jim Brown's the only

646
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: one in the NFL history with.

647
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Speaker 1: Yard carry Yeah, yards for Kerry was nuts. Yeah, and

648
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: he had a really good stretch there. I would say, no, though, Yeah,

649
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: you got these other guys, I don't I don't see

650
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: these guys as having any chance here. Brandon Marshall, Josh Sitting,

651
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, Max Unger, Derek Johnson, Mohammed Wilkerson, Brent Grimes,

652
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Speaker 1: Phil Dawson. I'm looking here at the list compiled by

653
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Speaker 1: CBS Sports.

654
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Speaker 2: Here just up for the first time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a punter Donnie Jones, Come on, don't Doug Martin,

656
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Speaker 1: Adam Jones, Reggie Nelson, Glover Quinn, Sebastian Janakowski, know so, Telvin,

657
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Speaker 1: Greg Hardy, No, Connor Barwin, th Jordy Nelson.

658
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Speaker 2: Wow, No, But I mean I think he's like Hinz

659
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: ward Yeah, like Packer fans Adorham won a lot of

660
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: games with him. Great teammate, he didn't have phenomenal player.

661
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Speaker 2: He's not quite I would put Warden over him, as

662
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, and I don't think

663
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: Heines gets in unfortunately Andrew Luck. Nah, you can't. But

664
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Speaker 2: could have been, Yeah, could have he could have been

665
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: if he if he.

666
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Speaker 1: Plays three more years.

667
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: When he retired, I thought he was the second best

668
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: quarterback in the league. You know, that was pre Mahomes

669
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 2: taken over like it was Rogers, Brady Luck. I mean

670
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 2: he was, he would be. He was on the Hall

671
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: of Fame pace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Doug Baldwin on the list.

673
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: There no great player, but no, I mean he might

674
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: make the the Owkspring of Honor or whatever. Yeah, this

675
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: top two or let anybody else in the list that

676
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: has a shot, real shot there. But uh, I think

677
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: the first two Peppers and gates much like this year.

678
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: I thought Revis and Thomas, Joe Thomas, not Zach in

679
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: their first years were yes is you know they're not.

680
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: And I think these two are as well. I think

681
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: Revis has the strongest gate. Well maybe not. Joe Thomas

682
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: is pretty good too.

683
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Speaker 1: Maybe they should take care of some of those receivers

684
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: on that list next year as well, like Wayne and

685
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: yet Clear South Clear some of that out of there,

686
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: because uh, that is really getting.

687
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a Yeah, maybe Freeenie gets in

688
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: someone that didn't you know, was close last year. It

689
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 2: was Andre Johnson up or not. I brought him up before.

690
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: I believe he is.

691
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would put Andre Johnson over all those receivers.

692
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a little That's not how it works though, man.

693
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Speaker 1: I mean because again, there'll be a backlog of receivers

694
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: there and they'll have That's why I'm so surprised that

695
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: none of the receivers got in there.

696
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

697
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe the again I'm not in the room

698
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: when they're when they're talking about all this stuff, maybe

699
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: they they all looked at and said, you know what,

700
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: we've had too many receivers going in, Like maybe maybe

701
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, we can't just say, well, you know, eleven

702
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: hundred receptions and fifteen thousand yards gets you in. You

703
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: have to be really special because that that list there

704
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: of receivers is you know, the point where you go, Okay, yeah,

705
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: he's this guy deserves to being and that guy deserves

706
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: to be and that guy deserves to be. And it's

707
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: it's gotten to be a little crazy at that position

708
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: because they throw the ball so much.

709
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: Now right, I mean, certainly the parameters have to change

710
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks and receivers, and frankly they need the lesson

711
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: for running backs. You know, no one's gonna have twelve

712
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: thousand yards anymore, you know. And I was thinking that

713
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: when we had that conversation last week, that does it

714
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: hurt Steve Smith Holt Wayne. I'll just use those three

715
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: examples because I think they're basically have all about equal case.

716
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: So if there's X amount of voters in the room,

717
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: do they cancel each other out to some degree? To

718
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: some degree, you know what I mean? Like I'm only

719
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: going to vote for one and one third of the

720
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: room votes for Wayne, and one third of the room

721
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Speaker 2: votes for you know, Holt. Then all of a sudden

722
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Speaker 2: you have enough votes.

723
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Speaker 1: I mean quite frankly, I think that's some of what

724
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: was holding Alan Fanict back all that time. Yeah, you

725
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: know there was guys in that room who's you know,

726
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: we're not we're not putting any other lineman in until

727
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Speaker 1: Kevin Mway gets yeah.

728
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Speaker 2: And I remember there were some roadblocks that I didn't

729
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: agree with. I mean, I understood Hutchinson.

730
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Speaker 1: And then Hutchinson, like I still to this day, where

731
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: that if I'd have had this that stat that our

732
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: friend Mike Sando had and that's my I didn't think

733
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: about it. I did think of it, how many Uh,

734
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: because I'm in the room. I had to do the

735
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Fanica presentation before Hutchinson's and Mike brings up the fact

736
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: that I think Hutchinson had eight holding penalties or something

737
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: like that.

738
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Speaker 2: For his career, which everyone in the room goes, wow.

739
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody in the room, Oh, that's really good, and

740
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: it is and it's great, it's great. So then after

741
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Speaker 1: I came out of the room after the voting there

742
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: and and uh, I'm like, boy, I'd love that, would

743
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: love to have had the number for Fanicut because it

744
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: has to be comparable, because I.

745
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: Mean, you watched every snap of it like, boy, he's

746
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: got a lot.

747
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: So I texted Burt Lowton, the Steelers PR guy, and

748
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: I said, hey, can can you get this stat for me?

749
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: Not we can't use it this year. Yeah, that's but

750
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: I need it for I mean this, Yeah, this is

751
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: one that will help Allen's case in the future.

752
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: He had that he had four four in his career.

753
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Speaker 1: If I had have brought if that would have trumped

754
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: Sandos eight maybe yeah, maybe they because that was the

755
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: tough thing and they just they just there was a

756
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Speaker 1: pecking order there that those guys felt. And the other

757
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: thing about it is, you know, for a guy like Hutchinson,

758
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: he played most of his career in Theo's two spots,

759
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Speaker 1: I would have thought that, you know, Fanica playing a year,

760
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: you know, or a couple of years with the with

761
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: the Jets would have helped him. But in that case

762
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Speaker 1: it didn't because all the voters with the Jets or

763
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: the people in New York so well, he can't get

764
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Speaker 1: in before.

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Speaker 2: Malwa Okay, they had more maway loyalty and.

766
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Speaker 1: Love because he played their loss, which I understand some

767
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: of that goes on. Yeah, sure, they're humans, So I

768
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: always thought it would hurt guys. You know back in

769
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: the day when I was a kid, I mean, Joe

770
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: Green played for one team, Bradshaw played for one team.

771
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, like you knew who was presenting them, and

772
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking, who's going to present Terrell Owens, I mean,

773
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Speaker 1: or some of those guys like dudes that are all

774
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: over the place, or I mean, like you could pick

775
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: a high school code. They can pick whoever they want.

776
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: They can pick their really yeah, I mean not present,

777
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, who would you going to make the case

778
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: making the presentation right wherever he played basically, wherever he

779
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: played the longest part, or you know, whatever team he

780
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: was with the most, or where he became a star,

781
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Okay, so they figure it out,

782
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: you know, like von Miller will be the Broncos. I'm sure,

783
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know. There's more movement of players than

784
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: they're used to be. When Patrick Peterson's up the guys

785
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: from Arizona, I would think the presentation he.

786
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: Spent more time there. I can't think of a great

787
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: example though, of t O a little bit. I guess

788
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: the Niners, but great year's other places he played a

789
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 2: ton of different spots, like ab will be Steelers, yeah, yeah, yeah,

790
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm trying to think someone did, like

791
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. I don't know.

792
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody off hand.

793
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: One.

794
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: Typically those guys don't change teams, like right, right, right, yeah,

795
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a Hall of Fame type guy,

796
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: you don't typically go from one team to another. Reggie

797
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: White was.

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: I would say Reggie White and Dion but I could

799
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: make their case without any.

800
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an easy one.

801
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: That's one.

802
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of fun to go sell there,

803
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: right right. Maybe maybe that's a guy like Jared Allen

804
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: that hurts could be who played for the Chiefs and

805
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: the Viking.

806
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe that's interesting. I thought that maybe

807
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: it would hurt guys moving teams more than Revis.

808
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

809
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure Jets were.

810
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: The Jets were the primary.

811
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he did some really good things other places. Yeah.

812
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's it's an interesting, an interesting process.

813
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: But we're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

814
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I am dal Lawley. You're listening to the Drive here

815
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy are live

816
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: ongoing coverage from Steelers training camp. Here in La Trope.

817
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: The Steelers have wrapped up their practice here.

818
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: For they don't want a family out there.

819
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: Still a lot of family and friends out there. The

820
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: rain has held off, which is good, but we're gonna

821
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Speaker 1: take a break. Will be more or we'll be back

822
00:35:52,200 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: with more right after this. Welcome back to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lalli. He is Matt Williamson, and we

824
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: are live from Steelers training camp here at Saint Vincent College,

825
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: where the Steelers wrapped up their practice here on this

826
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: Sunday about half an hour ago or so. And that

827
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Speaker 1: one of the big questions surrounding the Steelers been. There

828
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: have been several questions, can you pick it, take the

829
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: next step right in the offense? Be more of this

830
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: or more that. Are we starting to get some of

831
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: those questions answered here or do we have to wait

832
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: until the regular see them. I ready to go there yet.

833
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm very optimistic about them. Everyone's optimistic this time of

834
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: year across the league, and you're going against yourself and

835
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff is scripted. I have all positive

836
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: things to say, but I'm not ready to say we're

837
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: over the hurdle yet or anything like that. So I

838
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: still think there's questions, and the competition's brutal, you know,

839
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, to get where you want in the division

840
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: and in the conference is really tough. So I like

841
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: where they're sitting. I like the the fee, in the

842
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: direction of the organization as a whole, even and as

843
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: well as you know, day to day, each practice has

844
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: been enjoyable and they do a lot of work. But

845
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: I like where they're at in terms of team building

846
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: and age and those things leadership. But let's see, you know,

847
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: I'm excited getting starting to get antsy for a preseason now,

848
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, no, I hear you, and I just

849
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, everybody talks.

850
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: About the division, the division, the division, the division. I

851
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: don't see, Okay, Like, if you look at the odds,

852
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: the odds would say the odds makers put the Steelers

853
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: as the best odds to finish last in the division. Right,

854
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it hasn't happened forever.

855
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen forever. No, you're right, I mean that's I.

856
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns have not finished ahead of the Pittsburgh Steelers

857
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: in the division since nineteen eighty nine.

858
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, yep, I've said this a lot.

859
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: You were still in high school.

860
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: I was still in high school. I was like, just

861
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: got my driver's license, you know, like this a long

862
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: time I fifth, right, a long time ago. And I'm

863
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: a big believer in that. I mean, I think there

864
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: are organizations that know how to win, coaches that know

865
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: how to win. This time last year, I looked at

866
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: the Seahawks and thought, they're gonna pick.

867
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: The top five.

868
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 2: They're bad, you know, Drew Locke or Geno Smith. What

869
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: are they doing? They end up being a playoff team

870
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: and have a really strong foundation right now, and I know.

871
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: That, you know, to say something like that, though, is

872
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: not based in anything tangible, right, It is like there's

873
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: nothing to say, well that the Browns always finished behind

874
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: the Steelers because of this, because of this, right you know,

875
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: and this is still there this year. But the Browns,

876
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: to quote Juju, the Browns is the Browns.

877
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: Right, I mean until you prove otherwise, and they haven't

878
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: proven otherwise. And they made a lot of really risky

879
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: decisions that could pay off. I mean certainly, I mean,

880
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: they have good players, but it's a foundation there. And

881
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm not picking on these teams, but the Jets, Lions

882
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: and Browns what's their winning percentage over the last twenty

883
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: years or my lifetime. It's awful. And all these pundits

884
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: are picking them to be breakout teams, sure fire playoff teams,

885
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: potential Super Bowl teams. I just think history shows differently.

886
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would also say this to me, it's

887
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: much more likely the Ravens finish last than it is

888
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers. Really, and I only say that because Baltimore

889
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: just did it in twenty twenty one.

890
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've had.

891
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: Years where they fit like the Steelers have been amazingly consistent,

892
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: and maybe that's because of Mike tong I know, John Harbaugh,

893
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: it gets the same kind of love. In that twenty

894
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: twenty one season, they were eight and nine, so it's

895
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: not like they bottomed out or first.

896
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not picking the top five anytime reason.

897
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: But in twenty fifteen they were five and eleven.

898
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

899
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: People forget that they went five and eleven in two

900
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: thousand and seven and finished fourth in the division.

901
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that worry me from a

902
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: Raven's perspective, as First of all, as Lamar's hell, I mean,

903
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: he has not finished a season in some time. I

904
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: think their defensive front broke one A side is average

905
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: on a good day. I think that they're hurting there.

906
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: They're relying on pass rushers that are far far from proven.

907
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: But also.

908
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: I love the idea, you know, because it makes for

909
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: good podcasts and radio that this time of year you

910
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: talk about scheme changes and new guys and new places,

911
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: but you don't know it's going to be better. Like

912
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: the Ravens offense wasn't terrible during the last offensive coordinator stint,

913
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: and now they're really No one's changing more their scheme

914
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: than the Ravens this year. Right, do we know that

915
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: it's going to work? I think I would do the

916
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: same thing if I were horriball. I think that's the

917
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: move to make right. But it's a risk.

918
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just look at everybody's as well.

919
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Todd Monkin is going to be so much weight in

920
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: the four years if for one, two yeah, four years

921
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: now that or No. Twenty eighteen is Lamar's first season

922
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: as a starter, Right he took over halfway through his

923
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: rookie year.

924
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, remember Flacco was starting at that point ten

925
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: and six, fourteen and two eleven and five.

926
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: Good stuff. Everybody. Well, Lamar's you know, he's great then

927
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: eight and nine, last year, ten and seven. Yeah, you know,

928
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know that they're you know, yes, Lamar

929
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: is crazy, tough to play against.

930
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Steelers playing well too, They.

931
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: Play them well. I just think that that team is

932
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: you know, they get they get much more respect when

933
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: it comes to that kind of Well, the Ravens will

934
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: just figure it out. Nobody's saying, well, the Steelers are

935
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: just like you hear that Mike Tomlin never has a

936
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: losing season.

937
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, not much more in the camp of the Steelers

938
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: will figure it out. And Pete. I'm not saying this

939
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: because we're on steel Nation Radio, but I pretty much

940
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: know for a fact, and frankly, good for them. Nobody

941
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: is in the league is as medias savvy as the Ravens.

942
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: They're just really good at it, or they care more

943
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: than others or whatever. In terms of propaganda, I guess

944
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 2: is the wrong word, but putting out positive vibes about

945
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: yourself and things, you know, like and a lot of

946
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: it's like mel Kiper but they always get an awesome

947
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: draft grade, you know. I mean, he's a Baltimore guy.

948
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: But it's It's one example, and I'm not jealous or anything.

949
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: I don't care.

950
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: It's just the people look at them. They get kind

951
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: of the benefit of doubt more than they should. Todd

952
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: Monkin in the NFL. Here are his record as an

953
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator twenty sixteen with Tampa Bay nine and seven,

954
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen with Tampa Bay five and eleven, twenty eighteen

955
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay five and eleven, twenty nineteen with the

956
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns six and ten, and now this year with

957
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Never coached a playoff game right as

958
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator. Now he's he's a coach. He's coached

959
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: in two plays. He was a two thousand and seven,

960
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: he was the wide receivers coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars

961
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: when they went eleven and five and they went one

962
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: to one in the playoffs. Like, yeah, I mean those

963
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: other years with the Jaguars two thousand and eight, five

964
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: and eleven, seven and nine, eight and eight, Like he's

965
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: not been. They didn't just go out and sign the

966
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: greatest offensive coordinator in history. Now and everyone, well, he

967
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: did such a great job with George's offense last year.

968
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: I could have coordinate. The guys were better. The guys

969
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: on that team were better than everybody else they were

970
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: playing against.

971
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: Two of them were on the field half an hour ago.

972
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: That's what.

973
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: No, I don't give him.

974
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: His guys aren't better than everybody else.

975
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: With this level. I don't know. I mean, assistant coaches

976
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: are really hard for me to comment on. But like

977
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: I look at vic vic Fangio getting hired for the

978
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Dolphins going he's got more of an approven record, Like

979
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: that's gonna make his top Todd Markets track record here.

980
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: That says, oh, he's going to fix the Ravens offense nothing.

981
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: Because it's playing the total opposite, well, at least scrapping

982
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: the old playbook and doing things a lot differently, Like.

983
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: We keep going to run a much more conventional offense. Great, right,

984
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: that's doesn't mean.

985
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 2: It's gonna work. You know, we've been talking about Patrick

986
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: Ricard and and Kendrick Green. Great, well, I don't know

987
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: if the Card's gonna play anymore for them. They want

988
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: that guy anymore. He's played like seventy seventy percent of

989
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: their snaps. They're gonna be in three wide. That's no

990
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: room for Patrick Riccard, right.

991
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now all of a sudden, that guy that

992
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: you know and they're paying the card money so real quick.

993
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: While we're talking Ravens, it's they've been real haushush about it.

994
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: By the way, they're good with media. I mentioned this,

995
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: yeh that JK. Dobbins is basically holding in. Yeah. I

996
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 2: mean that guy's played twenty three games and he thinks

997
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: he can hold in like I love I love the

998
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: player too, number one back in that draft, but he

999
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: missed like almost all last year. Right, You're like, what

1000
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: do you think you're? Who do you think you are?

1001
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean, running backs have a terrible market. The whole

1002
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: planet knows that, and you're gonna try to hold the

1003
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: feet to the fire after it's being very unreliable. It's

1004
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: like when Jonathan Taylor's got a case in the in

1005
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: the Batman movie, when Morgan Freeman looks at the guy

1006
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: and says, Okay, you think you think right?

1007
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: Your boss is is a vigilante who's going out there

1008
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: and fighting about all these bad guys. And your idea

1009
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: with this is to blackmail him, right.

1010
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: Blackmailed the Batman a right like you and no cardoner

1011
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: in right, and Dobbins white came in have a great year.

1012
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention that before him, like this

1013
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: has gone on a while now. I'm not sure who

1014
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: he thinks he's what he's going to accomplish here.

1015
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. You know, this isn't Chris Jones

1016
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: holding in coming out to career year.

1017
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: No, I mean, Nick Bosa could get away with it.

1018
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 2: He's up for a contract. Dobbin's hardly ever on the field.

1019
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So I don't know. I just I just

1020
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: look at that that the Todd Monket thing drives me nuts, like, oh,

1021
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Todd Monkin's gonna come in and fix this offense.

1022
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: Really, frankly, I can't wait to watch it. And I

1023
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: think Lamar will be very good in any system. I

1024
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: don't think he has to be this pure runner blah

1025
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. But but I'm not going to

1026
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: bet every cent I own that it's going to be

1027
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: a raging success.

1028
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: Even know that they fixed a receiver position, it's better,

1029
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean there's been worse. Right, it

1030
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: was so bad last year, right, but you know, going

1031
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: out and signing Odell Beckham, that doesn't move the needle

1032
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: for me.

1033
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: No, I mean we both like Zay Flowers and Bateman

1034
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: Selsa still fighting something. Yeah right, right, so yeah, it's interesting.

1035
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: I have more worries about the defense, right. I don't

1036
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be as good. And that's what that's

1037
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: what everybody just kind of assumed. Everyone assumes Ravens defense.

1038
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: You know, I bet it's average. Yeah, yeah, I don't

1039
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: think it's We do our fantasy football ranks. All the

1040
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: Ravens are a top ten defense, are they?

1041
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1042
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: I never see that way, Like I picked my top

1043
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: ten and they weren't in the list. Yeah, I mean

1044
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't draft them in the top ten. I also

1045
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: see a ton of star power on defense anymore.

1046
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: No, No, you got Roque and that's about it. Yeah,

1047
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, Marlon Humphrey's good.

1048
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: He's good. Right, Maybe Cole Hamilton turns in that he

1049
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: turns into Ye. No, there's not Lewis ed Reed out

1050
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: there and sugs and nada. No, absolutely, So anyways, we

1051
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: gotta take another break here. We're up against it for

1052
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: our number two here. So he is Matt Williamson, I

1053
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: am Dale, Allie. You're listening to the drive here on

1054
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy.

1055
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this