WEBVTT - Ep74 - Rob Liefeld / "Deadpool 2" 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:18.079 M m m. You're listening to playback a Variety I 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:22.239 Heart Radio podcast. I'm your host, Variety Awards Editor Chris Tapley. 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.280 We're changing things up this week with comic book legend 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.920 Rob Leifeld. Deadpool two was crashing into theaters this weekend, 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.720 and it seemed like a good time to catch up 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.479 with the guy who created characters like Cable, Domino and 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.840 Deadpool himself. We talked about that in the overall comic 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.760 book movie Landscape, which is clearly rocking Hollywood to its core. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:01:00.760 So sit tight, this is playback. That's why. Okay, Henry 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.000 Winkler sat here. Henry Winkler said, here man, just a 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.839 moment and go home. Yeah, I told Deborah said till Henry. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.200 I said, hey, hey, sure he's never heard that. Yeah, exactly, 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:17.200 and hit the jukebox. Come on, wholewis why I didn't 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.720 into this morning? And he opened his mouth and the 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:23.200 Foxes already into years. He's just telling me that you 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.840 guys are like drilled into it. But I do not 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:30.160 I do not, I do not break. I'm good. Fox 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.160 loves me because I've never screwed up, did I say never? 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:38.720 Today's my day, Today's my day. Isn't that crazy? Though? 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.959 You're gonna they protect these franchises, you know, I mean 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.320 they Yeah, but from what you know, people find out 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.360 something who cares? Spoiler culture is a little crazy, isn't it. 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:55.080 This one is really like yeah, that's pretty They've done 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.960 a really good job. I mean people have U had 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.200 a guy call me and tell me, not tell me 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.280 on social media like I'm incensed. The Cable is a 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.920 bad guy in this movie and he's a villain. And 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.160 I said, you got all that from a minute and 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.200 forty seconds and trailers because I said, you know, most 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.720 of those trailers are skits. Actual footage you've seen is 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.480 a minute and forty I said, so you've figured out 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.679 a two hour movie on a minute. And like I 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.280 told Paul, he was actually really resonably goes it's a 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:26.519 really good point, man. Okay, I'll wait and see the movie. Awesome, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.400 that's what That's what I think. The studios, these people 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.560 take a bit and they run a narrative. Al Right, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:40.080 well we are recording my friend. Alright, everyone, we're here 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:48.200 today with Rob Liffeld, the creator of characters like Deadpool, Cable, Domino, 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.360 all of whom will be in Deadpool to releasing this weekend, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:53.880 so we're changing enough a bit. We've got a comic 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.040 book guy in here. This love it. Thank you, Thanks 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.600 for I wanted to have you in here. Obviously, uh 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.200 focus on talk about Deadpool, but I also wanted to 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.840 get your perspective just on where we're at. Like the 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.280 comic book movie landscape, you know, I mean, it's a 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.800 fascinating landscape to me because it's actually not new. I mean, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.840 certainly it's dominant now, but you go back, you look 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.919 like Superman too. Three Batman movies throughout the nineties. These 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:26.120 movies in their time, one the opening weekend box office records. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.640 So it's like these There's been popularity with the genre 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:34.120 for quite a long time. Lately it's super dominant. And 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.440 I'm just curious what you think about that landscape, especially 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.600 because things are so dominant at a time where it 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.920 seems like comic book sales are trending downward. So why 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:43.680 do you think there's such a mean, this is such 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.920 a great question. Let me tell you something. I'll go 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.040 straight to the heart of what you asked about. What 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.120 you said about the Batman franchise, The comic book movies 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.400 had to move beyond him to get any any belief 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:59.640 from from the town, the studios of filmmakers because the 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.760 Adam West TV show and the cartoons, and they just said, oh, 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.480 that's Batman. Batman always does one. Certainly the movie the 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:10.240 first movie with Keaton and Nicholson extremely well. But in 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.200 the early nineties, when I was called to every executive suite, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.120 everybody wanted to get into the comic business, the comic 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.560 movie business. And they would sit there and I appreciate 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.080 the honesty on behalf of a couple of them. I 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.960 was on the board of Marvel Comics. I know comics 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.320 are big. I don't know about anything you're doing, but 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.599 I know Batman does well, and we should do a movie. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:30.520 And I was like, I don't want to be in 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.320 business with this guy. This, this is this is the 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.279 road to nowhere. And then these are the guys that 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.960 do the Jack Ryan movies, Patriot games whatever. They think 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.120 it's a good idea to have comic book movies. And 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:41.880 then I meet with him and I'm telling you, man, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.640 they didn't know anything about comics. They just knew that 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.719 on the Ledger Batman had made some money, but nobody 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.159 went forward the Marvel movies certainly weren't getting any traction 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:55.160 in the nineties early nineties, and uh, I was sitting 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:59.000 with the President of Paramount, John Goldwin is his name. 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:03.279 He went on to be producer on like that serial 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.760 killer show Dexter. He was a president of Paramount. He 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.400 had sought me out in the early two thousands. He 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.520 liked young Blood because of the genetic manipulation of the characters, 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.640 because he had transformed his own body through working out 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.719 and all the this is all the stuff it told me, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.440 and I was like, wow, this this is interesting. His 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.520 his perspective, well, Olevan, Orange County, which is an hour 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.400 and a half from here. So when I get called 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.000 up to a meeting by the president of Paramount, I 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.080 assume it was pretty good news. But drew me all 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.080 the way up to inform me, and he whipped out 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.919 a chart. I could not believe it. I had a chart. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:40.760 Rob We've done some internal examining of this superhero trend 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:42.520 that's going on right now. By that time, you'd had 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.120 one Spider Man movie and maybe two x mens And 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.039 he said, we believe this is a bell curve, and 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.160 we believe this bell curve is going to end, and 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.200 we would be in, by our estimates, in the middle 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.680 of making our movie at the best case scenario. Best 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.560 case the development goes great and the bell curve would 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.080 be over and we would be whold left hold in 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.720 the bag. And that's just not a situation we could 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.080 be in. And I said, hey, man, I could not 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.440 disagree with you more. You have guys who have clause 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.480 coming out of their hands. You have people who are 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.120 literally flaming on you have Spider Man swinging across the 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.080 sky in Manhattan. You can't go back to Bruce Willis 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.279 with his bare feet on glass and a gun in 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.760 a building. It's just we've moved beyond that. We are 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.039 now and next. This is what special effects were made for. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.520 And these are rich characters. But Superpowers is going to 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.680 become the game of the day. It's it's it's it's 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.440 where we're gonna be enticed, and not just the visual 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.880 of the superpowers, the responsibility and all the conflict that 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.200 comes with it. And I said, next time, just call me, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:37.440 Just call me and tell me you're not doing it. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:38.720 I don't need to drive all the way up here 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:39.960 for you to tell me that you have a chart 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.039 and and and and that is such a rich memory 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.160 for me because I remember going, he is one percent wrong, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:50.120 and to find out that I was right and paramount 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.479 if you examine their history other than distributing the Marvel 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:58.159 films briefly before Disney bought them, just in distribution distribution deals, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.800 they never made it compliment. The other thing that you 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.960 think is you're walking to get in your car. They've 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:04.920 they're gonna make another Common movie. They just haven't announced 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.200 it yet. That's why Mind got dealt out of the 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.040 deal didn't happen. They did not make a Common movie. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:14.080 They got into the Transformers business. But the the fact 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.280 that and and you just go, that's when I'm up against. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.160 That's what That's what Kevin Kevin Figy broke through that 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.240 first on the X Men movies, then with Iron Man 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.960 and look Man. I remember in two thousand six Wall 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.840 Street Journal downgrading Marvel as a stock because all they 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.640 had and and I've got it at home, D list characters. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.400 That's all that's left. Spider Man, the X Men, and 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.520 the Fantasy before are spoken for. All they've got is 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:42.720 Iron Man or Captain American. I's laughed. And now where 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:48.320 we're at is these are giant dramas, spectacles. It's soap opera. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.480 The way Marvel rolls it out, you can't miss the 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.640 next chapter. You can't. They just make it impossible for 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.720 you to skip it. The interesting take is how anybody 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.480 else gets in the door because Marvel has ocked it up. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.720 I don't ever believe. I believe because, as I've told 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.320 you before when we've spoken, I have a fourteen year old, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:07.960 a sixteen year old, and an eighteen year old as 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:13.000 of today, and they have adopted these films as their mythology. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:18.000 And I my son, so I his name is Luke. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.480 He might have been influenced by Star Wars because he's dead, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.520 is obsessed with it, but I handed I made sure 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:28.400 he Luke's my oldest first movie was Revenge of the Sif, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:30.960 and I took him to the theater. He's five years old, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.600 and I saw his mind get blown away by Star Wars, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.760 and I knew I had a convert right there. He's 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.120 gonna do that with his kid. Whatever moral movies coming out, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.640 and that kid is gonna completely because we'd have to 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.959 jump to the it suddenly jumped to the conclusion, and 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.880 suddenly the movies are going to be poorly made. And 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.800 I think as long as fagg he's there, Hey, Kevin, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.000 it's five year FAGGI I always mistaken, but there you go. Uh, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.560 as long as he's there guiding it, obviously the quality 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.959 level is going to maintain. I mean, he's that franchise 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.960 is Kathleen Kennedy? You know? I mean so? But did 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:11.640 the long, long answer is I've encountered it. Batman was 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.520 seen as just Batman's success. Well there's Batman. Well, Batman 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.520 has always been part of the culture. It was I'm 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.720 telling you, man, they just believed Batman was his own 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:24.439 thing and that's why they couldn't break through with anything else. Um, 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.240 d C will keep getting the shot because people want 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.760 to see good versions of those characters. They are also beloved. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.600 But Marvel, I believe the future is ten years from now, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.880 we're still talking about their dominant franchise. And it's crazy 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.480 because DC Warner Brothers they had a huge head start here. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.400 I mean that stuff was under their purview for a 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.439 very long time. Uh. And you know it takes vision 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.360 I guess, uh, somebody with passion for the characters to see. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.160 I mean, this is stuff that us geeks were talking 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.080 about for years was how cool would it be if 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.280 we could just see all these characters share universe on screen. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.600 It's like people have been talking about it, wanting it 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.080 for so long. It's amazing. It took some some and 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.960 so long to pull the trigger. And they only took 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.720 so long because Marvel, because they're waiting for all these 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:08.240 properties to come back under there their scope. So and 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.199 I believe, like I mean, I said this to my 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.160 kid the other day, a GUALI looked, do you remember 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.040 two years ago when the biggest cinematic event of our 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.800 time was going to be the Justice League? They're coming 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.720 together on screen. They're coming to either Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Acquaman, 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.440 They're coming together. Um. The thing is if you look back, 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.280 because I love that social media always tells us what's 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.080 happening fifteen years ago, this day or you know this day. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.600 It always has the styles of factor. And I think 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.679 it was like last week was fifteen years since the 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.280 first Spider Man and Ego, So fifteen years we've had 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:43.040 three Spider Man and the new one seems like the favorite. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.320 I mean, Todd, I don't I don't want to refer 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.440 to him as a product. Tom Holland. You know, but 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.040 you go, we've already done McGuire, and forgive me, I'm 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.839 blanking on brilliant Andrew Garfield, who kind of got the 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.440 sword in because I thought he was great, but character 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.920 was so and he was great. The second movie really 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.760 let him down. That's my opinion. The second movie looked 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.960 like a nineteen Batman movie. It felt like we've gone 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.640 with we've just gone backwards. Uh. And again the fans 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.040 are too savvy for that there too. They've they've now 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:18.240 sampled so many nineteen Marvel Disney films. I mean, that's 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:22.000 that's a lot, right, And uh, you know, like I said, 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.920 my my I think my kids. You know, my my 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.640 son's birthday fell on two years ago and he turned 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.400 sixteen when Civil War came out, and his mother and 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.079 I drove all twelve kids to the theater and they 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.520 that was I mean, that's their birthday parties. Many I got. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.920 I was searching through his birthday pictures today and there 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.920 it was him and his buddies, all standard from the 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.880 Civil War banner and he I mean, these are our 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.280 event films. And I'm telling you, man, I've been in 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.840 comics thirty two years professionally thirty two years, so it 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:53.959 is since you were like four years old. That's right, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.520 that's right. It has blown. It is it is. I 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:02.040 remember NBC put on a whole movie that had Thor 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.400 on it, the Trial of the Incredible Hulk, and fandom 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.559 was so excited and the Thor portrayal at the time 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.520 didn't suck, and they kind of played up the rousing 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.760 Viking and I remember all of us watching it and 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.680 being so thrilled and uh and the Dartable one was decent. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.640 They did too, and You're like, it was like, this 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.200 is the best we get. This is the best we get. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.280 And now you look back in those days and go, oh, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.960 we moved away beyond this, Like you know, so, what 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:33.199 did you think of Infinity War? Uh? It was as 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.960 big as I expected. It had great pairings, great uh 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.719 uh fights like like and I you understand, I think 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:47.000 I've expressed this TOI me. Up until that point, they 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.840 all seem like they have the same power and Captain America, 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.240 Iron Man, Spider Man, and the Hulk are not the 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.320 same power levels in the comics. When I was a kid, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.360 they in one of the Spider Man annuals in the 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.839 back they had groupings power level A power level B 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.160 and like the ultimate was like Silver Surfer and Doctor Strange. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.160 And so to see in this movie that finally, because 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.000 in the films it seems like Cap can take a 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.680 punch for a Hulk and and Iron Man and Cap 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.319 can have a fisticuffs and you're like, in the comics, 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.880 iron Man is way more powerful. But I don't know 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.640 what the deal is, but they all seem like the same, 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.080 the same power level, and probably Luke Cage could walk 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.080 in and have the same power level from from the 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.240 TV show. But seeing Doctor Strange at a different power 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.160 level was befitting the story. And uh, not surprisingly my 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.600 favorite Thor and Doctor Strange were my most compelling characters 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.640 in the film. I thought they had the most fun 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.760 or most to do. And then obviously I gotta tell you, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.360 I mean last year, Andy Serkis got all that run 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.120 deservedly so for Caesar. Every time he plays that that 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.600 the plane of the eighth role. I believe Josh should 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.480 be up for an Academy Award for his portrayal of Panos. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.920 The mo cap alone deserves awards. We had the root 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.760 was in here and I told him I was like 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.760 I didn't know if I expected him to phone it in, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.280 but I just didn't expect such a full performance and 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.640 it was so compelling. Josh had warned me ahead of 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.000 time that it was his film. This is really my phone, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.200 you know. I mean, I was like, I'm like, okay, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.679 and uh, you hear that, and you know it's there's 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.520 thirty superheroes in there, Josh, it's not and then you 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.440 oh it really it really is analys film. And when 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.760 Mantis is on his shoulders, uh, and they're fighting him 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.320 and she's trying to calm him down, and there's are 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.680 really tight shots of his face going through all the 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.960 spectrum of emotions as he tries to regain his anger 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.000 and she's trying to pull him back and calm him. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.760 The expressions and the work, it was flawless. I'm like, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:48.160 I like they genetically created fan ofs and you go, no, no, 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.840 I love that Marvel put out that photo of Josh 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.440 with the stick behind him, with the high fanos picture 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.359 and all the green dots and the black The appreciation 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.080 for I mean, what he had to do is in um. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.320 And I would also say this if he was not cable. UM. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.440 I was that impressed. I was, so I think Infinity War. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:08.720 Look again, I also see it through my kid's eyes. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.360 I told you, my son told me that it was 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.520 the biggest cinematic event of his generation. And I saw 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.960 Iron Man when he was eight Infinity War when he's eighteen. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.760 This is a culmination of everything they promised, and he 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.640 freaking he loved it. I mean, I don't know how 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.440 if you're you know, plugged in with any of those 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.360 guys over there, have any idea where they're going with it. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:34.040 So maybe not, but you know it's gonna speculate with me. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.280 I mean spoilers if you haven't Infinity War somehow and 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.040 listening to this, but where do you think they're gonna go? 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.360 I literally spent weeks. Now it's two weeks later. I've 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.920 kind of been distracted by Deadpool and I'm not thinking 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.080 about it as much. But I literally I'm likeike, is 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.880 there a time jump? Is there? Are the only spoilers 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.440 to me, there's one giant thing that's been looming in 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.040 the press, and the fact that they're making another Spider 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.880 Man movie like this summer that makes it difficult to 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:02.640 take on face value. Some of the stuff that happened 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.960 in the film, So I'm just not certain, and I 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.160 am as anxious as anybody. I think they probably know 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.480 they have the most anticipated trailer of all time, because 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.040 we'll all see what they're doing when that comes together. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:16.840 I mean, I gotta be honest, I was. I left 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.000 a little confused. Um, I didn't. I knew I'd be devastated. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.640 I didn't expect to be confused, and I was a 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.000 little confused as to what I just wantrobably expected other 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.880 characters to perish, right A couple of them I thought 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:32.760 were queued up for momentous deaths, and when it didn't happen. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.520 I gotta be honest, I was like, oh, wait, that 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.160 is it gonna is there gonna be a better opportunity 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.960 than that. I mean, I felt the whole spectrum of emotions. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.720 It was, You're you're shock and awe, You're impressed by 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.800 the performances, You're excited by the pairings. I mean, dude, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.000 Hemsworth calling raccoon rabbit never got old to me, never. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.520 I mean, must have done it ten time. And then 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:57.560 and here's my friend Tree. That maybe my funny. I mean, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.040 I think that stuff is just the gold of the 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.720 movie that's Golden and and and racks. This is a 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.000 pirate married to an angel or whatever however you describe 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.080 a certain invisible Yes, that's great. You can't see me. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.159 I mean, so they had great bits, there's really good stuff. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.679 You know. Well, it's interesting is I AMDB released the 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.560 screen time and it was great. I did a quiz 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.359 with my kids the other because I got it. And 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.440 you can see, like who had the most screen time 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.399 in the film, and you go, Christopher Ovans is on 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.560 screen for four minutes and twenty two seconds. That's it. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.760 That's it, And they've got everyone. It's great. You'll get 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.400 consumed when you get it. You'll be consumed by it. Um. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.000 Obviously Josh is twenty nine and a half minutes on screen, 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.720 uh in a two hour movie. Twenty But I mean 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.840 it literally gives you how much everyone is in the movie. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.800 And it's that's the great thing about it is the 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.560 balance of all it. Uh. Yeah. And to your point 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:54.240 about you know, being skeptical of of those who appear 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.040 to die in the movie, I mean also like Black 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.840 Panther just is about to tap out of seven million dollars. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.600 It's kind of hard. That's it. That's and that's you know. 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.960 My kids, my my my youngest son fifteen years old, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.000 was like, give me a break, he said, Dad. They 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.919 didn't know how how big Black Panther was gonna be. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.520 That's what That's what it turns out to me, the 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.320 first thing he said to me. And I'm like, Okay, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.880 don't say that too loud or the premiere. Don't say 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.800 that like we have to act like that's we totally 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.520 didn't see that coming either. Um. Yeah, so no, I mean, look, 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.000 it's gonna be great to see how In my mind, okay, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.600 in my mind, I wonder if they're all in a 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.399 different Are they all in a realm that they have 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.720 to fight their way back? That's my first thought is 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:33.720 they're all joined in a realm where they're going to 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.680 see each other in some weird lavender filter and they're 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.280 all gonna I know nothing, I'm making this up, and 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:40.880 they're all going to have to find their way back. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.680 On the meantime, clearly Tony starts going to take point 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.439 and try and rally everyone, and then we don't know 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.320 how clearly Captain Marvel's gonna factor into it. So and 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.760 we have the clues of of Strange making the decision 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.560 he makes exactly which which makes Tony so important. But 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.880 I'm I'm telling you that, but then then Strange disappear. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.200 So like I said, doctor Strange is my co star 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.720 of the film. He's you canna understand the doctor Strange 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:14.119 comments while we're growing up Frank Brunner, Marshall Rogers, Paul Smith, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.719 Michael Golden. Some of the best art and stories ever 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.720 produced with that character. And uh, I'm such I adore 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.720 that character and seeing how he was portrayed and how 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.600 powerful and how just I love when we said, actually, 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.560 can I say that I like combabout with the American 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.520 accent better. I'm sorry. He I love when he talks. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.800 When he talks smack to Tony, starkins like, well, yeah, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.240 I'm maybe the one person who doesn't work for you, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.160 douche bag. I was like, wow, hearing that was great, 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.560 that was great. I was get to the Deadpool, get Pool. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.560 I want to start, you know, like, yeah, I know 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.680 the history. I know, I know Ryan's history of trying 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.480 to make it happen. I know the history of the 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.800 various companies that tried to put something together. But all 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.119 of that being said, you're the guy to ask why 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.280 did it take so long to get a faithful rendition 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.159 of this character on the screen, And even whenever that 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.640 written version was greenlit, there was trepidation. There was I'll 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.080 do it, I'll jump on the sword, I'll do it. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.240 I you know, I don't really work in the movie business. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.919 I don't or this is not I'm a comic book creator. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.560 I derive of my income from comic books and the 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.760 comic book world, so I kind of have always been 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.919 able to navigate and speak freely. And the answer is 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.879 towards Tom Rothman. Tom Rothman, ladies and gentlemen, he is 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.040 now the president of Sony. I wish him well, good 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.679 for you. Uh. He's a canny uh operator in the business, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.919 obviously very smart, produced a lot of movies. I had 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.199 a one on one meeting with him when I had 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.560 a project Will Smith, and um, when he CONTs in 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.239 his mind to dismiss something, he was very dismissive towards us. 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.240 I am sitting with Will Smith, the biggest star of 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.880 two summers. Will Smith has give granted me his favor, said, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.679 I'm gonna attach myself to your screenplay. The project was 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.119