WEBVTT - Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler to Sophie, Sophie, Sophie, we did it. I always promised.

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<v Speaker 1>We do it again. That's our That's Everyone's favorite intro

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<v Speaker 1>is when I just a totally shouted Hitler. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Hitler today. This is Behind the Bastards podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>the worst people in all of history. I'm Robert Evans

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<v Speaker 1>and this is actually a special mini series Behind the

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<v Speaker 1>Bastards called Behind the Insurrections. Uh. Last episode we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Benito Mussolini's March on Rome. This episode, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about another fascist insurrection directly inspired by the March on

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<v Speaker 1>Rome and carried out by Bastard's pod side character and

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<v Speaker 1>main character Adolf Hitler. We're talking about the Munich beer

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<v Speaker 1>hall push today. Yeah, lighted a fire, baby lighted on

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<v Speaker 1>awful insurrection. I realized I should probably reference where I

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<v Speaker 1>got that from. It's okay, so Common the actor and

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<v Speaker 1>I call him the actor. I'm finishing. That is an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting since the rapper okay and yes, and one could

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<v Speaker 1>argue of the top ten list of greatest rap albums

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, Common may hold two of those slots,

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<v Speaker 1>one of which is an album called Resurrection. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I got that from. Was because he's saying ris

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<v Speaker 1>Rick should so I was just saying insurrection deep cut,

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessary piece of information. But you can pull that out

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<v Speaker 1>next time somebody try to judge you about your pop

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<v Speaker 1>culture stuff. Beautiful, thank you. I'm more excited about the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he was Common Sense, and then he got

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<v Speaker 1>into Hollywood and decided to drop the Sense, which there

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<v Speaker 1>was a there's a band out here in l A

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<v Speaker 1>like a local band who sued him whose name was

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<v Speaker 1>Common Sense, and they were like almost like a three

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<v Speaker 1>eleven sublime, like white boy reggae band, and they sued

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<v Speaker 1>him for the name. They were like, we were common

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<v Speaker 1>Sense first, and I mean I feel like I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you can't copyright the word or name common Sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But they won, so he was like all right, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>comment and then became a list celebrity. I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, speaking of people who won, we should talk

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<v Speaker 1>about hitler Um at least for a while, but not

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<v Speaker 1>in this particular story, although eventually, at least moment when

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<v Speaker 1>this particular story ends, it's not the end of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This particular story is with Nazi defeat, but the broader

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<v Speaker 1>story of the Nazis is more complicated than that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna start here by talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Munich because generally when people talk Nazis, they

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<v Speaker 1>wind up kind of focusing on Berlin um. But Munich

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<v Speaker 1>is where the National social Is, Germans Workers Party, the

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<v Speaker 1>n s d a P, the Nazis. That's where they

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<v Speaker 1>came from. That's the birthplace of the Nazi movement is Munich.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look a little bit into Munich's history,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense. Um Munich is a city in the

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<v Speaker 1>German state of Bavaria Um and Bavaria is historically the

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<v Speaker 1>most conservative part of Germany. It's kind of like Texas

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<v Speaker 1>uh in that even after German unification in eighteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>Bavarians tended to see themselves as different and other from

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<v Speaker 1>like the rest of Germany, right like we're Germans, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're more Bavarian, right, Like it's it's this this

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<v Speaker 1>the attitude that you do kind of see like Texans

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<v Speaker 1>have a bit of this, right like where we're our

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<v Speaker 1>own thing. So that's always big in Bavaria, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of like traditionalism. They have their own monarchy

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<v Speaker 1>that's separate from the Kaiser, right, like the Kaiser's in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of Bavaria still, but they also have their own

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<v Speaker 1>king Um. And there's a lot of Bavarians who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>super into the idea of being part of Germany, right

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<v Speaker 1>because they they they are more Bavarian than anything. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Adolf Hitler, who was again an Austrian, so he's not

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<v Speaker 1>really a German by the consideration of a lot of Germans.

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<v Speaker 1>He moves to Munich in nineteen thirteen, mainly because he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting drafted to go join the Austrian army. And

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to join the Austrian army. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>a draft dodger and he moves to Munich to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>serving his time in the military. UM. And just based

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<v Speaker 1>on what happens lest this is less because Hitler was

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler was not scared of being in the military. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like Austria. He thought it was like racially polluted

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<v Speaker 1>um and so he moved to Munich because it was

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<v Speaker 1>more in line with his right wing sensibilities. UM. So

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<v Speaker 1>he rented a cheap room and he made a poverty

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<v Speaker 1>level income in Munich painting pictures of like famous buildings

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<v Speaker 1>in town because the beautiful city and selling them to tourists.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was like a whole industry, and Munich a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of of little artists would paint pictures of local

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<v Speaker 1>buildings and sell them as like keepsakes to tourists. Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of unique among these artists because while most

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<v Speaker 1>of them would actually go out to where those buildings

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<v Speaker 1>were with like an easel and paint the buildings and

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<v Speaker 1>then sell their pictures and stuff, Hitler would cheap postcards

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<v Speaker 1>of those buildings and paint alone in his room where

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<v Speaker 1>he spent most of his time reading fringe political tracts

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<v Speaker 1>and one presumes masturbating furiously. We have to Yeah, just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was, I mean, he was a pretty right

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<v Speaker 1>wing guy. But yeah, he's he's pounding it in his

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<v Speaker 1>little office um and painting from postcards. Um. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a very good artist, which is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>key little because he lived in like a tiny little

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<v Speaker 1>real he was renting from a lady. He was he

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<v Speaker 1>was very little. Yeah, when Hitler, I thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>just putting him down for no reason. But no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he was extremely poor. So when Hitler moved to Munich,

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<v Speaker 1>he had just finished being like a homeless person in

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<v Speaker 1>in Vienna, Like he lived in like a men's home

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff for like people who couldn't afford um to

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<v Speaker 1>stay off the street and whatnot. So he had just

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<v Speaker 1>gotten out of like a really dire financial situation. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually part of why he was in a dire

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<v Speaker 1>financial situation is he inherited money from his mom, but

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<v Speaker 1>then his sister needed it for her kids, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he gave up his inheritance to her. Um. Which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of his evidence that like everyone who turns out terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a period of time in which Hitler might

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<v Speaker 1>not have wound up being Hitler. UM. So anyway, important

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<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind. So Hitler's living in Munich, He's

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<v Speaker 1>painting shitty paintings, tugging it all the time, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>reading a bunch of like reactionary right wing zines, like

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<v Speaker 1>poorly mimiographed newsletters about the dangers of the Jews. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like a huge thing Hitler's doing in this period. Some

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<v Speaker 1>things never changed, man. Yeah, Yeah, it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>he's like hanging out on the day's equivalent of eight chan,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like these tracts that are being passed out

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<v Speaker 1>of the street. So when World War One kicks off,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, in this period, right, the Archduke's assassinated,

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about last time, but in the run

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<v Speaker 1>up to World of One, Benito Mussolini's furiously trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get his country Italy involved in the war. Um. Germany

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<v Speaker 1>goes to war with the World UM, and Hitler immediately

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<v Speaker 1>joins up and becomes an infantry man. Uh. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately thrown into one of the most horrifying battles

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<v Speaker 1>in not just like the whole war. But like ever,

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<v Speaker 1>it's known colloquially as the Slaughter of the Innocence because

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans sent tens of thousands of basically children to

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<v Speaker 1>die to like Allied machine guns. A horrible battle um.

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<v Speaker 1>Now at the same time as Hitler's watching his friends

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<v Speaker 1>get mowed down in the trenches, Herman Gerring, who would

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<v Speaker 1>become his future second in command, is becoming one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first fighter pilots in history. Gering flew with Manfred

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<v Speaker 1>ron Ricktoven the Red Baron's Flying Circus. He took command

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<v Speaker 1>of the squadron after Ricktoven got killed in nineteen eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got something. He shot down like twenty nine planes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an extremely good fighter pilot, and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>dad becomes like a dashing national hero. Now another big

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi you might know. Heinrich Himler was too young to

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<v Speaker 1>serve during World War One. He came from that awkward

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<v Speaker 1>generation where you were too young to fight in the

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<v Speaker 1>First World War, and he would have been too old

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<v Speaker 1>to fight in the second, and so his entire youth

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<v Speaker 1>was spent like idolizing these soldiers going off to die

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<v Speaker 1>in France who he was unable to join. Now, another

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<v Speaker 1>fellow who went to war in nineteen fourteen was Ernst Pohner.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Powner was a middle aged I know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>rough name. You gotta give the guy some credit for it,

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<v Speaker 1>a real cross to bear. So Powner grew up or

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<v Speaker 1>Powner was like a middle aged, conservative educated Bavarian, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>right wing guy when the war starts and he was

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<v Speaker 1>commissioned as an infantry officer and eventually rose to regimental command. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite being a Bavarian to his soul and thus being

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like separate from the rest of Germans, fighting

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<v Speaker 1>in the war gives him this sense of like unity

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<v Speaker 1>with the rest of Germany, and he starts to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a member of this, like this unified nation for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in his life. And in fact, all

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<v Speaker 1>of Bavaria was brought closer in step to the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of Germany. As a result of the war. The region

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<v Speaker 1>industrialized rapidly to provide armaments, and as the German state

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<v Speaker 1>devoted itself increasingly to becoming an engine of arms production, um,

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<v Speaker 1>Bavaria becomes like a big part of that, particularly Nuremberg

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<v Speaker 1>or not. I think, uh yeah, I think it might

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<v Speaker 1>have been. It was. It was Narremberg. I'm not great

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<v Speaker 1>on all the other German city, but like Bavarious starts

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<v Speaker 1>industrializing heavily, and their military was like just the best

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, incredibly good. Yeah yeah, Like like Germany

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<v Speaker 1>actively amazing, goes up against the entire rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>world in World War One and comes pretty close to winning.

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<v Speaker 1>They yeah, they like. It's not like World War Two

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<v Speaker 1>where after a while like they're almost they almost pulled

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<v Speaker 1>it off almost yeah yeah. Um So the Kaiser's propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>had forbidden so like and that that's actually part of

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is that right up until the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the war, Germany could win it. It's not again, not

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<v Speaker 1>like World War Two. We're after nineteen forty three, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>can see the writing on the wall. Up until like

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen eighteen, Germany could pull that ship off. Um

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<v Speaker 1>And this is sort of compounded in the minds of

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<v Speaker 1>German people who see their soldiers winning by the Kaisers

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<v Speaker 1>propaganda because the Kaiser had forbidden journalists from reporting on

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<v Speaker 1>the dire situation in the West. Um so number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Germany is in a pretty good position most of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>They notck Romania and Russia out of the fight, so

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<v Speaker 1>they beat like two powers, including Russia, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>a fifth of the world's land masks which they heard

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<v Speaker 1>of at the time. They conquer Ukraine, um like, get

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<v Speaker 1>it in a treaty basically, and they spend most of

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<v Speaker 1>the war within spitting distance of Paris. So on a map,

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<v Speaker 1>Germans spend most of that war thinking like we're winning.

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<v Speaker 1>This is tough, We're losing a lot of men, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna win this thing now. The situation on the

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<v Speaker 1>map belied some crucial realities, including the fact that as

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<v Speaker 1>the war went on, Germany was completely hollowed out of soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>of supplies, and of food. Three quarters of a million

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<v Speaker 1>German civilians starved to death as a result of the

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<v Speaker 1>Allied blockade. UM. By the time Germany surrenders in the

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<v Speaker 1>winter of nineteen eighteen, it's army is on the very

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<v Speaker 1>brink of collapse. The generals who are in charge at

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<v Speaker 1>the end a guy named Eric Lundor for you might

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<v Speaker 1>remember from the Wonder Woman movie. Yes he's the bad

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<v Speaker 1>guy and Wonder Woman, but was a real dude. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul von Hindenberg, who was his his co general.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not the ones to accept failure gracefully. Right, like

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<v Speaker 1>both of them had some victories to their name, both

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<v Speaker 1>of them made some major strategic errors at the end

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<v Speaker 1>that we're a big factor in German defeat um. But

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<v Speaker 1>when the Germans lose, they don't stay on deck to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, guys, we tried our best, we fought

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<v Speaker 1>as hard as anyone could fight, and we got our

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<v Speaker 1>We we just lost. They fucking bounce like as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as it becomes clear they're going to surrender, they're fucking

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<v Speaker 1>out of there. Yeah, yeah, so back yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 1>hand over responsibility for negotiating Germany's surrender because the Kaiser

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<v Speaker 1>also bounces like that motherfucker's off the Belgium on a

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<v Speaker 1>trade um. So all of the people who had gotten

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<v Speaker 1>Germany into war and had like pushed the war the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time leave and put the responsibility for negotiating the

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<v Speaker 1>surrender on the social democrat dominated Reichstag. So Germany overnight

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<v Speaker 1>is a social democracy. And also the liberals who had

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<v Speaker 1>been most a lot of them anti war up to

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<v Speaker 1>that point, now have to deal with negotiating germany surrender. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who were responsible for losing the war start

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<v Speaker 1>concocting a narrative that the left had stabbed the German

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<v Speaker 1>army in the back um and that's why they lost.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I say the left, I also mean the Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what they mean, right, like they're not yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the left. And it's the same thing people talk about

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<v Speaker 1>cultural Marxism today, right. The turn back then was Judeo Bolshevism.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the same idea, right. So the first days

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<v Speaker 1>and weeks after Germany's defeat, there were just a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of revolutions all throughout these different cities in Germany, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them were left wing. But Verry was

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<v Speaker 1>not spared in this wave of unrest. As you said,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a strong While Bavaria is very conservative, in

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<v Speaker 1>Munich in particular, there's a very vibrant left wing and

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<v Speaker 1>several days before Germany signs the armistice on November eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>November seven, this huge crowd as symbols in Munich and

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<v Speaker 1>they forced the Bavarian king to leave his throne. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who orchestrated this was a dude named Kurt Eisner,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's the head of the Bavarian Social Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>and his goal was to you know what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to kick out the king and establish a

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<v Speaker 1>Bavarian republic. Now, that worked for a little while. The

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately Eisner the coalition that Eisener used to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kick the king out and establish a republic was only

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<v Speaker 1>united in their desire to bring it into the war

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<v Speaker 1>and get rid of the king. And once that war

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<v Speaker 1>ended and the king was gone, they didn't agree on

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<v Speaker 1>anything else because it was a coalition of like the

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<v Speaker 1>far left, but also a lot of like center left

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<v Speaker 1>people and even centrists were just like, this World War

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<v Speaker 1>one thing doesn't seem to be working out for anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>all of us. Sucks for all of us. And when

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<v Speaker 1>that ends, a lot of these centrists are like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really agree with the left on anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And there's this huge desire to We've got

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<v Speaker 1>the king out, the war has gone. Let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>to business as usual. Let's go back to the way

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<v Speaker 1>things were before the war. I think people Americans can understand. People. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to go back to branch man. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go back to brunch. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these centrists wanted to go back to the center right

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<v Speaker 1>and the center left, arguing because both the extreme right

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<v Speaker 1>and the extreme left had been empowered by the war

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<v Speaker 1>and the economic collapse that came with it, and these

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<v Speaker 1>these folks in the middle were scared by that. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is before like pruised and like the new like

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<v Speaker 1>the new Democrats or the new like constitution. They right,

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<v Speaker 1>like this, this is right, this is before the Weimar Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Istion Eisner over. Eisner leads his sort of revolution like

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<v Speaker 1>five days before Germany surrenders. Um, so this is contemporary,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the Weimar Constitution starts being written during the period

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of this is happening. But this starts before.

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<v Speaker 1>This starts while the Kaiser is still on the throat. Right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fairly sure while the Kaiser is still on the throat.

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<v Speaker 1>It starts before the official German surrender. So things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the center right or the center left decides like, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want to work with Eisener. Eisner's support dissolves

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of winds up unable to govern because

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't really have a lot of people backing him. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's new elections, uh in January of nineteen nineteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of center left dominates as opposed to Eisner's

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<v Speaker 1>far left. So On the morning of February one, nineteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Eisner starts walking to the lawn Tag, the land Tag,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like they're, you know, kind of their Congress

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, to resign his position as head of

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<v Speaker 1>the local government. Now, while he's on his way, this

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<v Speaker 1>German noble count Anton Arco Valley, which is a fucking badass.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Arco Valley, it's like he's like a Spiderman victim right, Billy, Yeah, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a He's a rich Bavarian nobleman. So Arco Valley

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<v Speaker 1>like comes up and shoots him dead. Eisner. Um so

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<v Speaker 1>because he's, you know, Arco Valley is a monarchist and

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<v Speaker 1>a and a far right kind of guy, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to murder this left wing dude, even though the

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<v Speaker 1>guy is about to leave power willingly. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>Eisner's Eisner does have some very loyal followers, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them responds to Eisner being killed by gunning down

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<v Speaker 1>another politician. And for reasons unknown to history, this like

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<v Speaker 1>leftist supporter of Eisner, instead of going after one of

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<v Speaker 1>arco Valleys allies, picks a moderate liberal um, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Ernard our Um, and shoots him. Now Our survives

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<v Speaker 1>an hour at the time is kind of the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Social Democrats and Munich, so he's like he's

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of the Joe Biden right, Like he's like

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<v Speaker 1>a moderate liberal. Um. Yeah uh, and this leftist shoots

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<v Speaker 1>him instead of one of Arco Valleys allies for a

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<v Speaker 1>good reasons that aren't really well known. Um, but our survived.

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<v Speaker 1>What are theories? You know? I I haven't really heard

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. It might just be that, as a rule,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks on the far left will always

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<v Speaker 1>hate liberals more than they hate the right. Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>might have been. It's like it was just like personal

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<v Speaker 1>It's like that fool hit on my girl. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been personally he might have been. Man, I took my chance.

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<v Speaker 1>He might have just fucked up right, like guns just

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<v Speaker 1>hit the rate back then, you know, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really know. Um ours survived though he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get killed, but his injuries keep him out of politics

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<v Speaker 1>for two years. And while Our was like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a centrist, he was an effective leader of the Social

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party. He was good at getting people in line. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that he's out of the picture for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years means that his party is effectively

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<v Speaker 1>rudderless right at the same time that the far left

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<v Speaker 1>is energized by Eisner's martyrdom. Now, our successor, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Johann Hoffman, was weak and not very competent um.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got this position where the dominant center left

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<v Speaker 1>party loses its effective leader at the same time as

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<v Speaker 1>the radical left gets energized by the assassination of like

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<v Speaker 1>one of their big dudes. And I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>read a quote now from a graduate dissertation by James

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<v Speaker 1>McGee titled the Political Police in Bavaria nineteen nineteen to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six to explain what happens next. The assassination

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<v Speaker 1>of Eisner had worked as a solvent upon political consensus

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<v Speaker 1>such as it was in Bavaria. The Hoffman government found

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<v Speaker 1>itself caught between the advance of radicalism on both the

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<v Speaker 1>right and the left the first round, and the struggle

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<v Speaker 1>went to the radical left. No longer able to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>itself in Munich, the Hoffman government decamped on April seven,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually coming to rest in the northern Bavarian city of Bomberg.

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<v Speaker 1>Authority in Munich was assumed successively by two councils, the

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<v Speaker 1>first led by an ill assorted collection of independent socialists

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<v Speaker 1>and anarchists, and the second by the communists. So two

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<v Speaker 1>different successive kind of far left governments take over through

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<v Speaker 1>like a revolution basically, but neither of them are very

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<v Speaker 1>good at it right. Neither of them really have Like

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<v Speaker 1>the anarchists are way more focused on creating public art

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff um, and don't really have a great uh

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<v Speaker 1>cohesive set of plan to deal with the needs of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like uh Moonstion ears. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>is like people of the people of Munich, um. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>the communists are kind of they're not really that good

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<v Speaker 1>at building support outside of the people who are already

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<v Speaker 1>involved in their movement. Uh. There there spent a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time going after their political enemies uh and again

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<v Speaker 1>aren't very good at consolidating power. Meanwhile, outside the city,

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<v Speaker 1>conservative forces start regrouping and preparing to invade Munich because

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a left wing revolution. What is the right

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<v Speaker 1>going to do? They're gonna murder everyone they can. So

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<v Speaker 1>the core of this right wing movement where the Free

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<v Speaker 1>Corps um, and that's an organization of right wing veterans

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<v Speaker 1>that you could see is broadly similar to groups like

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<v Speaker 1>the Oath Keepers or the Three Percenters today. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>main difference between these two is the oath Keepers and

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<v Speaker 1>the Three Percenters are mostly people dressing up like soldiers who,

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<v Speaker 1>if they were in the military, never heard a shot

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<v Speaker 1>fired in anger. The men of the Free Corps are

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<v Speaker 1>hard sons of bitches, like they have They have done

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of killing. They have seen thousands die before

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes. Like a lot of these guys, these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are like veterans of the trenches. So they're not they're

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<v Speaker 1>not playing, you know, like they're not dressing up because

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers look cool. They've they they have been so broken

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<v Speaker 1>by war that it's the only thing they can really do,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Larpin over here. Yeah, they're called the Free Corps,

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<v Speaker 1>the Free Corp, the Free Corps like where yeah so,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Free Corps. Not all these guys. A number

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<v Speaker 1>of like free core dudes actually become anti Nazis later,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of the Free Corps are the genesis

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<v Speaker 1>of what becomes some of the Nazi street movements too.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of like we saw with the r

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<v Speaker 1>d T in Italy, right where you've got all these veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them do become some of them just one

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<v Speaker 1>order and they're more Republican than anything. But they'll fight

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<v Speaker 1>the radical left, and then they wind up being anti Nazi.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of them go more in a Nazi direction. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of them wind up being kind of more on the

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<v Speaker 1>left after a while because they get, you know, disillusioned

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<v Speaker 1>by right wing politics. But you have this melting pot

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<v Speaker 1>of soldiers who are angry at things, and the bulk

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<v Speaker 1>of them do go to the right. Now. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>these guys invade and they make quick work of the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Forces of the Revolutionary government. I'm gonna quote from

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<v Speaker 1>Macgee's article again. By the end of April, the feeble

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<v Speaker 1>Red Forces had been pressed back into the environs of

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<v Speaker 1>Munich itself. At this moment, with their backs to the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>elements of the Red Army executed tin hostages. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the hostages were members of the right radical Tula Society.

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<v Speaker 1>Others appeared to have been selected almost at random. None

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<v Speaker 1>of the ten, however, had done anything to earn so

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<v Speaker 1>terrible a retribution with run. With one gratuitous act, the

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<v Speaker 1>leftist defenders of Munich had opened the floodgates of violence.

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<v Speaker 1>The aroused White forces poured into the city on May first,

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<v Speaker 1>bent upon the eradication of the Bavarian Soviet Republic and

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<v Speaker 1>its supporters in the most literal sense imaginable. The hardened

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<v Speaker 1>Free Corps and Army troops coursed through the streets of

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<v Speaker 1>the city, shooting anyone who appeared even remotely suspicious. The

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<v Speaker 1>orgy of execution did not stop until May seven, when

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<v Speaker 1>it was discovered that the White forces had mistakenly murdered

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<v Speaker 1>a group of twenty one Catholic school boys. These school

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<v Speaker 1>boys were, by no means the only innocence who fell

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<v Speaker 1>before the guns. Before this first wave of killing had

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<v Speaker 1>come to an end, over six hundred individuals had been slain,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them individuals with no connection to the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Army or the Soviet Republic. The revolution, which had begun

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<v Speaker 1>so peacefully six months before, had ended in a blood bath.

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<v Speaker 1>Order had returned to Bavaria. Wow, that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the radical left. In the radical right right,

0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 1>you get the radical left, some of them go a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit far. They killed ten people, and the right

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<v Speaker 1>murder six hundred people, including several dozen schoolboys. Yeah, got

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<v Speaker 1>dog man, Yeah, I hearing about this just this time

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<v Speaker 1>in the world and being a you know, albeit African

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<v Speaker 1>American male. But the reality is I live in America,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that like in this in this era that

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<v Speaker 1>like the type of violence these people endured all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and instability, Like it's just we really can't

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 1>get our brain around that six hundred Yeah, you know

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>it was six hundred people at least, like they murder

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<v Speaker 1>a whole school of Catholic children, you know, famous leftists,

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the Catholic school. Yeah, right, I mean to be actually,

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>if we're being honest, like one of the in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>the anti fascists were a mix of anarchists, communists, social democrats,

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and Catholics. A lot of very traditional conservative Catholics were

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<v Speaker 1>anti fascists because they were against the Nazis, right, and

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>they still believed some pretty messed up stuff. You're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Catholics in the thirties and forties. But um, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not Nazis, you know, And you get a lot of

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>credit in my book if you're anti Nazi, regardless of

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>what you believe in that all the other stuff I

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.680
<v Speaker 1>can say this about you. Yeah, but you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>does kind of everything that's happening in Germany in this

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<v Speaker 1>period makes it clear what I what I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>consistently think is the most the thing that we have

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<v Speaker 1>going for us the most in our present struggle against fascism,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that our fascists are they're fucking whimps for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, right, most of them have never seen

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:54.120
<v Speaker 1>heavy combat. They have not seen people shot to death.

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<v Speaker 1>They haven't shot anyone to death, they have not been

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<v Speaker 1>in like That's why a lot of them started to

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<v Speaker 1>run as soon as like the police started really using force.

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>The fascists, the Nazis, the o G Nazis, most of

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 1>them are hard, hard people. Hitler is an incredibly physically

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<v Speaker 1>tough man. Like Hitler is a guy who got into

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<v Speaker 1>street fights with a whip, you know, like these are yeah,

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 1>these are rough people, um and I that's one of

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the things we have going for us is that most

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of ours just aren't that tough, you know. Um Yeah,

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 1>there's like this weird like combo of like there's you're

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>not that tough, but you have something to prove, so

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be so you're dangerous because you have something

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to prove, right, But then there's you are tough and

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 1>you have something to prove and you ain't scared, you know.

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, that's a toll that that's a totally

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 1>different situation. Yeah. Yeah, Like you'll see a lot of

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>folks in our far right dress up in you know,

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>plate carriers and carry guns and look like soldiers. The

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Nazis did that too, They wore military they dressed like

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>German stormtroopers, and most of them had been right when

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>they dressed like the guys who charged through trenches with

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<v Speaker 1>an axe in one hand and a handgun in another.

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>It's because they charged through trenches with an axe in

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>one hand and a handgun in another. You know. Yeah,

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>And I know you've seen that look bro as a tangent,

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 1>but like as much as you've trapped as any war

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>zones you've been in, and then even here, like you

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>can see it in a person's eyes to where you're like, oh, yeah,

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>you'll cut me, you will cut my throat. You're not,

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 1>you won't think twice, You'll cut my throat, Like you

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>can see it in a person's eyes. Yeah, it's the willingness,

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 1>it's it's the people, and you can really see it

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of folks eyes. The folks for whom

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>doing violence is the same as like turning the page

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>in a book, right, Like it doesn't require a switch

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 1>in their mental circuitry. Yeah, they're just ready, you know,

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and most of them aren't that. Most of the far

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 1>right in Munich in this period are that kind of person.

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>You know. You've got folks like Heinrich Hemler who were

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.199
<v Speaker 1>too young and who want to be that and are

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>playing at it, but a lot of them are really

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 1>tough people. So mainstream Munich, which you know, after the

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 1>right comes in and massacres everybody, it's still like kind

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>of the liberals who are in charge of the government

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>for about a year after this point, you know, kind

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>of the mainstream center left, and they blamed the far

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>left for everything, even though the vast majority of the

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 1>killing had been done by folks that were basically proto fascists.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and among other things, the fact that the left

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>had taken over the city briefly helped to incite and

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>fuel an extremely active right wing militias scenes. So all

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of these different street militias of armed young men start

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>to form up during this period of time, So different

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>groups of angry young men, many of them veterans got

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>together to fight the reds and enshare their city would

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>never fall to the left again again. A liberal government

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.520
<v Speaker 1>is in charge for the next year, but after the

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Free Corps and the army come in, the real power

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>in Munich is with the military and the police, and

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the dominant political ideology in the city among both the

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>center left and center right become the thirst for order

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>above all else, right, which you can understand, Like, these

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 1>people aren't just going through like a lot of Americans

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>just want order at this point, after the last four

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>years and we didn't go through a war that killed

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>like what one out of every ten of our young

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 1>men something like that. Yeah, their calls for law and

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>order are understandable. Yeah, I think there. You know, the

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.719
<v Speaker 1>history will show it was the wrong way to go

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>about it. But you have to be more sympathetic to them,

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the people calling for now like well, you can't even imagine,

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>no one in in America can imagine we have no Yeah, exactly. Um. So,

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Ernest Pohner was one of the first men who stepped

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 1>in to fill this need for order. And he'd been

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>enraged by Eisner and you know, even more enraged by

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Republic that briefly took charge of Munich um

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>And so he gets promoted to be the head of

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the Munich Police Force in May of nineteen nineteen. And

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>he's fresh back from commanding a regiment in World War

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.719
<v Speaker 1>One at this point, and as soon as he's put in,

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, in charge of the police force, he sets

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<v Speaker 1>to work not just crushing Marxism but doing everything he

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<v Speaker 1>hand to encourage the growth of the radical right in Munich.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the radical right, there were a number of different

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 1>parties at this period, but the one that would come

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to dominate the Munich far right scene was of course

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the National Socialist German Workers Party the n s d

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<v Speaker 1>a P. They were founded in February of nineteen twenty

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>by a fellow named Anton Drexler. A lot of people

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know this. Hitler didn't start the Nazi Party. He

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't involved at the very beginning. It was a locksmith

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>named Drexler who had been involved previously in a bunch

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of other fanatical nationalist parties. Now from the beginning the

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>n s d a P. And they're not the Nazis

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>at this point, nobody calls them that yet that that

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>that takes for a while. Laters at this point called

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>him the National Socialists or the n s d AP.

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Their goal initially was to be the party of the

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>German middle class, and I think you'll remember that from

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>our episode on Italy. Yep, Drexler sought robust social aid

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>programs for arians. So he wanted socialism four arians, right,

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted anyone who was not to not be

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 1>in his fucking country. That's that. Yeah. Now, at the onset,

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the National Socialists were a small and secretive group of

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>about sixty people. Now, the reichs Wear, which is Germany's

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>post war army, becomes immediately concerned with this small party,

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>namely because they were afraid that it might have subversive

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>or revolutionary goals. Right, the army is definitely more anti

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 1>left than right, but they're concerned about anyone who might

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>be a threat to order in this period. So they

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.479
<v Speaker 1>decided to send in a spy to look at this

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>young starting party and figure out if it's a threat.

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>And the spy they send is a young German corporal

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>named Adolf Hitler. Like of of all the times, I

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>mean like of So there's so much of world history

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<v Speaker 1>that fascinates me. But this moment, this time, this time,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the in between wars, this time is so interesting to me?

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<v Speaker 1>U is it so interesting that we should take an

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<v Speaker 1>ad break for a suspect. Yeah, you know who won't

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we have returned, and I am just

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<v Speaker 1>loving talking about some old h bomb hittie hits h bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he uh here, here's what you could do. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do for these people, which is some

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Uh well, I don't get into these Gussies

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>anymore because it ridiculous, but um, help these people understand

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<v Speaker 1>this party having the term socialists in it, but they're

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>not so to list like yeah, yeah, help them understand net.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just they're they're national socialists, which means which means

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're kind of and in their conception that means that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we seek a socialist state for members of our race,

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<v Speaker 1>so we want to and and some of that was

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>just was just lies because the Germans a lot of

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff is happening here. For one thing, the left is

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful in Germany during this point. The Communists are

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.320
<v Speaker 1>beating the Nazis for the most part in elections for

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 1>most of this history. So and they're both competing for

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>people who have been radicalized, like we talked about last time,

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>people who have accepted that the system is fucked, a

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of them can go left or right. So the

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Nazis have to be reaching out to the workers have

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to be trying to recruit from that. And there's also

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, you are talking about a period of time

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 1>in which the German economy is it's like five point

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>seven billion marks to the dollar, Like Germany is a

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:57.839
<v Speaker 1>nation of trillionaires who can't afford food. So you have

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>to be able to speak to these people in promise

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>them some sort of aid. And that was a big part.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 1>And and the way basically the left is like everybody

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>deserves to be taken care of. We need to take

0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>money away from these We need to nationalize industries, we

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>need to nationalize corporations, We need to give the means

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>of production to workers. The Germans are basically like, we

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>need to take money away from the Jews and businesses

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:22.359
<v Speaker 1>away from the Jews and give it to arians, right

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 1>because of them. Yeah, the idea of like accepting the

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>fact that, like you lost this war. I feel like

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that's what's so that this is part of what's interesting

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>me about this season to this time in history, because

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like you couldn't get your brain around the fact

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 1>that y'all just lost, Like it just you lost. You

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>drained your economy on a war that you shouldn't have

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>been in the first place. Again, nothing that sounds similar

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>to this country today exactly. Just hey, bro, you take

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>it on a chance you lost, you know what I'm saying,

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Let's figure this out. Were you looking for, Like, well,

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>we just lost because of them? Like well anyway, Yeah,

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 1>none of this is familiar. And it's also when we're

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about sort of socialism within the Nazis. One thing

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>people do need to understand is that in the early period,

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and this hasn't even really evolved yet in the episode

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, this is more in like the later twenties,

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>there's a left wing and a right wing of the

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party. There are Nazis who are anti capitalist. The

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Night of Long Knives is the right wing of the

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party, which is the dominant chunk of the party,

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>murdering all of those. Which is not to say that

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>the left wing of the Nazi Party weren't a bunch

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of hideous racist monsters. They were, um, they just believed

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>slightly different things and were then murdered, right Like, that's

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that's what the Night of Long Knives was, was a

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>purging of the kind of more socialist elements within the

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Party that they needed to kind of get into

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>power and get enough workers behind them that they could

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, um, take the streets. Um. So again, a

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of chairman, his political history is incredibly complicated in

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>this period, so much is going on. Um And again,

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>like people who are convinced that the system needs to

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>be destroyed will often have some stuff in common with

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 1>each other, which is why you do see Nazis and

0:38:13.000 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>communists on a couple of occasions, like fight together against

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 1>police in the state, not because they agree with each other,

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>but because they agree on the fact that the state

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 1>is ship. Um. You know, it's it's a very messy

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>time because everything is falling apart. Again, I'm sure Americans

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 1>can identify with that. Um. So. Yeah, this Hitler's you know,

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.400
<v Speaker 1>commanding officer sends him to infiltrate this far right group

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and learn if it's like a threat to the German government,

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>which I think you have to count as like one

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of the worst decisions ever made, like calculation, and I

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know if anything's ever backfired more than be like,

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to we we want to make sure

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>these guys don't overthrow the government. Send Hitler and the

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 1>check out him. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Mostly underestimated big it. So Hitler at the time was

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>an angry young man, still suffering from his war injuries.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>He'd been pretty badly messed up at the front, and

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 1>he'd been at the front for about four straight years.

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 1>So he's he's riddled with PTSD and physically injured, and

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>he's adrift in a nation on the verge of collapse.

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 1>The economy is in free fall. People don't have jobs,

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:21.919
<v Speaker 1>and Hitler's kind of One of the reasons he does

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>this is he's desperate to not get kicked out of

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the military. Most soldiers are released from the military after

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the war. He hangs onto his job for a while

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and this is how and he needs the fucking money, right,

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>so he takes this gig. He goes in and shows

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>up at a meeting or two of the Nazi Party,

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.839
<v Speaker 1>and he finds himself kind of enthralled by the group's discussions. Now,

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the party's early members was a fellow named

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Dietrich Eckert. Now. Eckert was an anti Semitic poet, and

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>most historians consider him to be the spiritual founder of

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi Party. Hitler himself, in some private writings, described

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Eckert as the spiritual founder of Nazism. Now Eckert was

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>all about nationalism and saving Germany from the Jewish menace

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that he believed had lost the war for her bereft

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of a Kaiser, Dietrich became convinced that an Aryan hero

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.959
<v Speaker 1>was needed to save the German race, and he spent

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:12.959
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his time thinking about who that hero

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>might be. And I'm gonna quote Dietrich here. This is

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.279
<v Speaker 1>talking about like what he believes is necessary to save Germany. Yeah,

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the rabble has to be scared shitless. I can't use

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 1>an officer, by which he means a military officer. The

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>people no longer have any respect for them. Best of

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:30.759
<v Speaker 1>all would be a worker who's got his mouth in

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the right place. He doesn't need much intelligence. Politics is

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the stupidest business in the world, right, I mean, politics

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>is the stupidest posiness. Yeah, you have to see Eckard

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>is in a lot of ways one of the most

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 1>effective and like political thinkers of all time, he's absolutely

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>right about how to take over German Democratcsy. It's a

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>seats the plan works. Yeah, he turns out he was right. Yeah. Now,

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 1>during one early Nazi party meeting, a professor got up

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and made an impassioned argument about why Bavaria needed to

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 1>seceed from Germany. Hitler got enraged by this, and he

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>starts screaming at this professor and he's so eloquent in

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>his arguments about like why Germany needs to stay together

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.800
<v Speaker 1>that like everyone who's there is just struck by his

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>his skill as a speaker. Um, And this professor actually

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 1>like flees the room in shame because he can't like

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>argue against Hitler. And yeah, this convinces all of the

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>party leaders at the time that Hitler had a future

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 1>as an orator, that he could be like a big

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>voice for spreading the party's propaganda. So they start having

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Hitler gift speeches and they're right, Like he's able to

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>draw a crowd. That guy is a good public speaker.

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>He gets better and better about it over time, and

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in short order he's the most prominent member of the

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 1>National Socialist Party and soon it's figurehead. Now, the Nazis

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.800
<v Speaker 1>grew quickly at this point, drawing in other disaffected veterans

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>like Herman Gearing and Rome. Now, Rome had been a stormtrooper,

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and he's a really interesting guy. He's one of the

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 1>members who's purged in the Night of Long Knives. So

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>he had in World War One been like a Special

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Forces guy, an elite assault trooper. He's covered head to

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.399
<v Speaker 1>toe in scars. His nickname because he has so many

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>connections in the military. He's able to get like heavy

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>machine guns for these militias and stuff like have them

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>smuggled out illegally from the army to these right wing groups.

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:26.400
<v Speaker 1>They call him the machine Gun King, which is an

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>objectively cool nickname. The Rome is a terrifying person um

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and and it's just like a like and if you

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>want to think about his the way he's seen by

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the radical right at this point point

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 1>in Germany, think about a guy like Chris Kyle, right,

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the American Sniper, how Republicans talk about him. Rome was

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that sort of legend. He's just this this absolute legendary brawler,

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>warrior brawler. He's also very almost openly gay, which is

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>why he's murdered in the light night of Long Knives,

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>right is because like Hitler doesn't want kind of bad

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.359
<v Speaker 1>pr He's a very interesting guy. Um yeah, he's a

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.720
<v Speaker 1>tough He's a tough and that's like a huge factor

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 1>in you know there there again we talked about all

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>these kind of countercultural movements coming together. You see versions

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>of this within the Proud Boys too, right, like where

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:17.800
<v Speaker 1>and that's a big part of Like at the time,

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 1>what you know, Rome sexuality wasn't something that they advertised.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Now it is kind of an advertising point where it's like, hey,

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>we're not white nationalists, Like look, you know our leaders,

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>this our leader is like a black guy. We've got

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>all these gay people, like, we couldn't possibly be fascists.

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's like no, no, no. The fascists have had

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 1>always at the start a lot of different people represented

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>as long as they're violent. Now, once they get into power,

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>they murder those people. Rome doesn't last after Hitler gets

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>into power. No, no, no, But Hitler's happy to be

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 1>his friend when he needs him to beat people up.

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 1>The Finesse on that kid, Hitler, man, it's just that

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:02.240
<v Speaker 1>the Finesse is ridiculous, Like yeah, yeah, you can't finesse

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>is ridiculous. Anyway, Hitler starts attracting these war heres because

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Garing is also herman. Garring is like a fighter ace

0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's very handsome as a young man, like everyone knows,

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 1>like the obese heroin addicted Garing that like you know,

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>gets caricatured. But he's a young man. He's this like

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>very handsome, prominent look like he looks like a movie star.

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>And he's a legendary fighter pilot. You've got Ernst Rome,

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 1>who's just like tough as nails. And all of these

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like war heroes start joining the Nazi ranks, which of

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 1>course brings in more guys from the far right because

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>you've got as a young man. Yeah, you need a

0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.320
<v Speaker 1>young one. Now I'm looking at young one. This dude's handsome,

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>young herman Gary, drop the league. Yeah, I'll show you

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a picture of him. I'll show you a picture of him.

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Drop that into chet. You know what I'm saying. We're

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna agree to disagree on this one. This is a

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>point to motherfucker looking like no, no, no, no, no, no,

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw. I'm gonna throw like an ugly lego

0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>loss from one of the rings. Well, got it. Well

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 1>you gotta type those over there? So I mean no,

0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't ugly. Okay, chat picture of them? Okay, hold

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>up this the same picture I was looking at. Yes,

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>this is not an attractive man. He looks like he

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.879
<v Speaker 1>looks like a young bing Crosby. Yo. That's a little

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of you know what I'm saying, little Matthew McConaughey. Jaw, Yeah,

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. It's traditionally I I don't

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.919
<v Speaker 1>want to get caught into the talking about how hot

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Herman Garring used to be. He's still a monster. He is,

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>he's he is seen as being an attractive young wars

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:40.840
<v Speaker 1>here traditionally attractive, recording to Western standard. Also, half of

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the men in Germany in this period have had their

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>faces blown off. So it's the bar is not as hot. Um,

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like Ricketts. Yet it's no for me, dog Okay,

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>well good does not think Herman Garring is hot. Well,

0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that's a T shirt right there on the motherfucking record

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>we needed need to know. Let's get two sets of

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.319
<v Speaker 1>T shirts out. Team Herman Garring was fuckable and Team

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Herman Garring wasn't fuckable yet Sophie, can we get can

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>we get t public on that? Is that a good idea?

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, but I don't know. It's just just a

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:22.440
<v Speaker 1>picture of herman garring and DTF questions. Uh, that might

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 1>not go over well for us. It's all bad, so

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>uh Yeah, they start to draw in a lot of

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.359
<v Speaker 1>like because they've got all these war heroes, they start

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 1>to draw in a lot of other people on the

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>right who had idolized these men's soldiers who you know,

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.680
<v Speaker 1>these guys have been their heroes in the trenches, and

0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>also younger men who hadn't been old enough to fight

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>in the war. But we're drawn to wanting to be

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 1>in the company of these legends, guys like Heinrich Hemmler. Right,

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 1>he sees all these heroes joining the Nazis. He never

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 1>got to fight in the war, so he joins the Nazis.

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Now Hitler's give speech after speech after speech, and while

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>he's doing this, Dietrich Eckert is helping Hitler mold his

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>public appearance and create what came to be known as

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the Hitler myth. And this is the idea that Hitler

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>was not just a politician, but he kind of supernaturally

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>embodied the spirit of the German people and was their

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.880
<v Speaker 1>defender against their racial enemies. Eckert is the architect of

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>this idea, which is the core of like what became

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>It comes like the fewer principle, like the center of Nazism. Now,

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 1>one of Eckert's main points was that a new German

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>revolution was necessary. The nineteen eighteen revolution, he felt, which

0:47:28.560 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 1>is like the socialist revolution that takes a Remunich, had

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 1>failed because it was soulless and Jewish. Eckert wanted a revolution,

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.760
<v Speaker 1>but he wanted a revolution that was led by someone

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 1>he crafted, namely hitler Um, that could lead the German

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>people into freedom and wipe away the stain of defeat

0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>in World War One. Now, of course, the Nazis were

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 1>opposed even from an early period, as they always are,

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 1>by the left, namely socialists and communists. In this period,

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>and this is before the birth of German anti fascism

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>asm as a movement. There are people fighting fascism, but

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 1>like the idea of like antifa as we know it

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>like comes out of Germany like a decade later than

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 1>this or so um that hasn't really evolved yet, and

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>there anti fascism in Germany in this period is at

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a more primitive level than it is in say Italy. Right, Um,

0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.240
<v Speaker 1>so there are but they are still opposing the Nazis,

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and there are frequent fights at Nazi party rallies. Communists

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and socialists will show up at beer halls where Nazis

0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.359
<v Speaker 1>are meeting and like try to beat the ship out

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 1>of these guys, and the Nazis will do the same

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 1>thing at left wing gatherings. All everything, every political thing

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.319
<v Speaker 1>in Munich happens at a beer hall. And you do

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>have to assume that everyone but Hitler has wasted it

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty much all the time. Hitler's not much of a drinker.

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Everybody else is just fucking man. How come like as

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:44.720
<v Speaker 1>unstable as the world is like at this time, Matt,

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, I wonder if we would have much more

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>people entering into political discourse if they fought the way

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 1>that these people fight, y'all just drinking scrap, Like could

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>you imagine that that like our party, I know, our

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 1>parliament in the sevent was like this, you know what

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, eight Hunt, It's we used to actually scrap,

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. But like these dudes like

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>like you you talking. It's so funny because it's like

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's this is hood ship. This sounds like gangbanging, Like

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>y'all pulling up. It's like, Yo, you left this, yeah,

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:15.040
<v Speaker 1>and n I'm left this. What's what's? What's what I'm saying?

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like you flashing signs at each other, y'all. Y'are politicians.

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Y'are politicians. You know what I'm saying? Like what that's

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 1>so that's what I think again, that's going back to

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:29.359
<v Speaker 1>what I mean by like we don't have we don't

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:35.240
<v Speaker 1>have categories for it is their officials fight. Yeah, that's

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>crazy to me. M yeah, they are like like and

0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a lot of these guys are like kind

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>of not elected, like elected leaders do get into fights

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. This. Yeah, a lot of these guys are

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:49.839
<v Speaker 1>just sort of like campaigning and a lot of it

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 1>happens via street fighting, and it's it's ugly ship. People

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>are being gunned down and stabbed and beating um like

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it's nasty stuff. And in fact it gets so n

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 1>see that not only does like Hitler start carrying a

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.400
<v Speaker 1>whip and a handgun so that he can like slash

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:07.919
<v Speaker 1>people's faces open during barbawls, but the Nazis, in order

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to like defend their meetings, develop a powerful and organized

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.320
<v Speaker 1>street fighting arm uh. These guys are called the Storm

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Abtai Lung or the Storm Division, and they were created

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>an early nineteen twenty as a hall protection force, like

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 1>a beer hall protection force, for like the meetings that

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the party would hold in Munich. Now, in addition to

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:28.520
<v Speaker 1>having like a bunch of guys who would show up

0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to like crackheads and fight communists, they also opened a

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 1>sports and gymnastics wing which started training their men in boxing,

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:38.200
<v Speaker 1>jiu jitsu and exercise. And you see the same thing

0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:40.839
<v Speaker 1>with modern fascist there's a lot of fascist and neo

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Nazi m M A. Jim's a strong like lifting culture

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>among them, like the Rise Against movement, who are a

0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>big part of Charlottesville Unite the Right in Charlotte'sville. Like

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:52.959
<v Speaker 1>you know that that the idea of like Nazis loving

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 1>to get into jiu jitsu. Nothing against jiu jitsu, it's

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>rad as hell, but like the fact that they've been

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.279
<v Speaker 1>into it that goes back a century. Doug Man, I'll

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>tell you what bro like, Yeah, it's been playing times

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 1>where I'm like I just man, I just do some

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 1>like somebody like metasthetics like plio metrics stuff. Man, I'm

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 1>not going to these gyms just just like you just

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.520
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's just full of these like buck boys,

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.359
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. And now it makes sense.

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, there's a history of this. Yeah, there's

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:20.359
<v Speaker 1>a history which is like there's also some pretty rad

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, anti fascist like m m A gyms and

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff out there. Yeah, because I think it's important to

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.720
<v Speaker 1>train people who aren't Nazis and how to defend themselves

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>against But there's a long history of like there's a

0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a huge like fascist m m A fighting like

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>network in Eastern Europe, particularly in Ukraine. Like they'll have

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.319
<v Speaker 1>these big conventions and and competitions and stuff like it's

0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a big part of that kind of culture. Um. Yeah,

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 1>so that you know that starts with the Nazis in

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>this period. Um, they're doing jiu jitsu in nineteen fucking twenty,

0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 1>so that's kind And the Stormtrooper catchphrase in this period

0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:03.879
<v Speaker 1>was a very subtle death to the Jews. So not

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.640
<v Speaker 1>great at keeping a lid on what they're about, you know.

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Now in nineteen Herman Garring was promoted to lead the

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>storm moub Tailung, hereafter known as the essay. These are

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 1>the guys that come to be known as the brown Shirts. Now,

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>by that point, his men had spent much of the

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>last two years and by being a steady diet of

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:26.520
<v Speaker 1>race hatred and revolutionary fascist propaganda. Wilhelm Bruckner, who was

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.439
<v Speaker 1>the head of the Munich Stormtroopers, told Hitler that year

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that very soon Hitler would be unable to restrain his

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 1>men from doing something. And what Bruckner was warning about

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 1>is the same thing we saw in Washington, d C.

0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.919
<v Speaker 1>On the sixth. If you have this movement of young

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>men that you gin up with conspiracies about child eating

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:45.240
<v Speaker 1>pedophiles and the globalist destruction of their race and nation,

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.360
<v Speaker 1>which is exactly the kind of a lot of the

0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 1>ship the Nazis are learning hearing this period is like

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 1>q and on ship right, very similar. If you if

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>you get a bunch of angry, violent young men obsessed

0:52:56.880 --> 0:53:00.439
<v Speaker 1>with weaponry focused on that ship for years, they will

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 1>demand to go shed blood to stop it at some

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 1>point and you won't be able to stop them. And

0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of one of the areas where you know Trump

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 1>fucked up is he didn't do anything with them cohesive,

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think he ever had much of a

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 1>cohesive plan. So they raided the capital and caused a

0:53:17.080 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>crackdown on themselves. It's beyond him now, yeah, it's beyond him. Now.

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Hitler doesn't let it get beyond him. He realizes this

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 1>is happening and that action needs to be taken now.

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:29.600
<v Speaker 1>For a while he was able to kind of burn

0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>out this excess energy among his street fighters by having

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.319
<v Speaker 1>them go after journalists and newspaper offices, having them tear

0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.480
<v Speaker 1>down political propaganda and beat up left wing canvassers in

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the streets. So he has them assaulting his enemies and

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 1>part to just try to get off this excess energy

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 1>so they don't blow up and like tip their hand

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:49.920
<v Speaker 1>too early. And of course all of the fighting and

0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:52.319
<v Speaker 1>violence in the street they're doing is very illegal under

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 1>under German law at the time. But the police president Powner,

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:59.880
<v Speaker 1>who we've talked about earlier, ensured the Nazis faced few consequences.

0:53:59.880 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 1>And I'm gon quote from McGee's article on the Munich

0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:05.279
<v Speaker 1>political police. At this point, the debt with which the

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Nazi movement owed Powner was real. As police president, Powner

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>extended a sheltering hand to protect the activities of the

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:14.760
<v Speaker 1>nascent Nazi movement. In doing so, he ensured its survival

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and gave it an opportunity for future growth. This passive image, however,

0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 1>does little to convey the full dimensions of Powner's commitment

0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to both the radical right in general and Nazis in particular.

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:26.799
<v Speaker 1>As a key figure in Bavarian politics during the post

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 1>war period, Powner actively aided the Volcush movement and occupied

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a central position in its highest councils. And the Vocish

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 1>movement is like all these ideas about the Aryan race

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.839
<v Speaker 1>and the German people that kind of feed into Nazism.

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean they had like that judges. Yeah, we'll be

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about the judges. Becomes a judge. He's becomes a judge.

0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, these will sitting in court with their legs

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:54.239
<v Speaker 1>all the way up, feet cross like yeah, yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:56.759
<v Speaker 1>For an example of how biased he was, at one

0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:59.240
<v Speaker 1>point during his time as the chief of police in Munich,

0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Powner is asked if he realizes the Nazis are murdering

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.360
<v Speaker 1>people in the streets of Bavaria, and he replies yes,

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:10.840
<v Speaker 1>but far too few of them. So now, as an aside,

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>unrelated to anything we're talking about at present, we now

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>know that at least twenty eight police officers were present

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 1>for the storming of the capital on January six. Um.

0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I should note that in two thousand eighteen, after a

0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 1>series of dueling protests in Portland between left and right

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>wing demonstrators that ended with police assaulting and hospitalizing a

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>left wing activist, internal planning documents from the police revealed

0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that they viewed the fascist activists as quote much more

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 1>mainstream than the anti fascists. There's a long through line,

0:55:39.440 --> 0:55:43.319
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, yeah, that mainstream has quite a subtext.

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>It sure does, sure does. Probably so by nineteen three,

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:51.960
<v Speaker 1>the thrill of beating the ship out of their enemies

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.400
<v Speaker 1>in the streets was wearing thin for the storm Abtai Lung.

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Now roughly two thirds of the Nazi Party membership was

0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:00.040
<v Speaker 1>under the age of thirty one at this point. The

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.000
<v Speaker 1>is our young men who want to drink and fight

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and revolt against the liberals and Jews they see is

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 1>ruining their country. Right, Um, they look a lot like

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:12.239
<v Speaker 1>the Proud Boys. It's a group of like macho, like

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:15.840
<v Speaker 1>testosterone loaded young men who drink and probably do a

0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:17.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of like the Proud Boys do a lot of cocaine.

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing a lot of these guys are on blow too,

0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:23.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, not uncommon in Germany in that period. So

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Hitler was super on board with getting these guys into

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>the fight do largely to what he and the rest

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of the world had watched Benito Mussolini's Black Shirts do

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in Italy the year before, Because again the March on

0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Rome is the year before Hitler does his beer hall punch.

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Twenty three is the beer hall punch. And I'm gonna

0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:43.240
<v Speaker 1>quote now from a book called The Trial of Adolf

0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Hitler by David King, and that he's this is Hitler

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.760
<v Speaker 1>talking at first. If a German Mussolini is given to Germany,

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Hitler said to a journalist for London's Daily Mail on

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the eve of the push, people would fall down on

0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:57.919
<v Speaker 1>their knees and worship him more than Mussolini has ever

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 1>been worshiped. This journalist was unimpressed. In private, he dismissed

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Hitler as another hot air merchant. But Hitler had in

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:08.240
<v Speaker 1>fact decided to follow in the Fascist footsteps and march

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>on Berlin. The original plan had been to strike on

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, November ten. This was, after all, the weekend,

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 1>which Hitler believed was the best time for a revolution.

0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Authorities would be away from their desks, police would be

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.439
<v Speaker 1>reduced to a minimal staff, and the lighter traffic would

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>not impede on the movement of his trucks and troops.

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:29.200
<v Speaker 1>So Hitler becomes convinced after seeing Mussolini that like, not

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>only did Missolini have some great ideas, but this will

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 1>work even better in Germany, um, because we kind of

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:38.920
<v Speaker 1>have more of an authoritarian culture. Italy when Mussolini took over,

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>had a much longer democratic Germany a lot more authoritarianism.

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Hitler's like, if I present myself the way Mussolini did,

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll be even more powerful. People will join me on

0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the road to Berlin, and we'll take over the whole country. Now,

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, h Yeah he's not. I mean, he

0:57:56.640 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 1>was wrong in this instance, but not overall. There's an

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 1>interest thing like um even with that like Germans like

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:10.600
<v Speaker 1>at the time, propensity towards like authoritarian like I still

0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>think even and and then their their assualted is towards

0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:19.919
<v Speaker 1>Catholicism when I think about their like Protestant movement um

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 1>being so informed by sort of like reform Calvinist thought

0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like this, this idea that like humans are so depraved

0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 1>at their core because of sin. You know what I'm saying, Like,

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:38.960
<v Speaker 1>you can't trust them to make good choices for themselves.

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:43.200
<v Speaker 1>So you need a strong man in the same way

0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that Jesus was your strong man. You know what I'm saying,

0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 1>to make to make these answers, to choose these for you,

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.640
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, you're full of sin nature, So why

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>would we trust what you would vote for yourselves. No,

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you need a guy. You need a guy, a dude

0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in charge that can tell you what's better for you

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>because you can't trust your own instincts. And and that

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that theological twist to me, it's like it adds to

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 1>the mythos of how somebody like a good, smooth talking

0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Hitler could convince this nation who already got got authoritarian tendencies.

0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Now you add in this like this like theological worldview

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to it, it's just like it's just gonna work. It

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:33.600
<v Speaker 1>does is gonna work. The products and services that support

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, Oh yeah, that is going to totally deprave

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<v Speaker 1>to march on Berlin. He wants to do a Mussolini

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<v Speaker 1>but better. But he's he's had a dumb guy. He

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<v Speaker 1>to successfully push Bavaria. He's very popular within Munich and

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<v Speaker 1>the Munich right, he's not a national figure at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>so he has to enlist the help of a national figure,

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<v Speaker 1>and he picked someone he had idolized, General Eric Ludendorff. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the old General had already tried to take over the

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<v Speaker 1>government once before, right after World War One um and

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<v Speaker 1>had failed at that, but he hadn't really been punished

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, he was the war hero. He's Ludendorff,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the architect of the victory over Russia. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just very beloved and he was a massive

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<v Speaker 1>figure for the right wing, revered and respected. For his part,

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<v Speaker 1>the old Field Marshal had spent his declining years becoming

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<v Speaker 1>an increasingly massive racist and conspiracy theorist and mostly pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the stab in the back narrative blaming the loss in

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<v Speaker 1>World War One on the Jews all that stuff. You

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<v Speaker 1>could see him as like a General Flynn figure. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's this very popular among the far right general

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<v Speaker 1>who shacks up with this far right political Now. The

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<v Speaker 1>big difference is that General Flynn has been like profoundly

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<v Speaker 1>loyal to Donald Trump, and Ludendorff just kind of saw

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler as a vector for which he could, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>push his kind of fringe right wing politics became more

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<v Speaker 1>storm and Norman sports cough head ass yeah a little, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's not that yeah, yeah, he's not like

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<v Speaker 1>he's not like, um, loyal to Hitler, but he sees

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler as a guy he can use, and Hitler sees

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<v Speaker 1>Ludendorff as a guy he can use. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>in that that exact sentence is like was the dagger

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<v Speaker 1>for almost all a political parties, y'all thoughts I could

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<v Speaker 1>uses man like he wasn't. Yeah anyway, yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Hitler goes to Ludendorf and is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to overthrow the government. I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>the dictator, and I want to have you be basically

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<v Speaker 1>like running the country with me. You'll be in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the army and together will bring Germany back to greatness,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ludendorf gives a soft yes, the kind of yes

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<v Speaker 1>that could mean, to know if like the police came

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<v Speaker 1>to his door and he could say like, but he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you do it, like come on board, I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>over the army if you win, you know, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of yes. Ludendorf gives him um, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's on board as long as he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to stick his neck out too much. Is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like Ludendorf's attitude towards this. So the initial plan for

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<v Speaker 1>the putsch is November ten, but they wound up pushing

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<v Speaker 1>it up by two days kind of at the last minute,

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<v Speaker 1>the Thursday, November eight, because Gustav von Kar who's basically

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<v Speaker 1>he's the General Commissar, he's basically like the governor of

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<v Speaker 1>of of of Munich Um. He's giving a speech at

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<v Speaker 1>the Burger brow Keller beer Hall, which is one of

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<v Speaker 1>Munich's most prestigious places for people to drink heavily and

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<v Speaker 1>do politics. Burger Carl Burger, the Burger Brownber Beer Hall. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to rename something like that because that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would still around today. I think really. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where the putsch actually starts. So Car

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<v Speaker 1>is in charge in Munich, and he is He's been

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<v Speaker 1>brought to power and what some would call a military coup.

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<v Speaker 1>Um it was kind of a soft coup, but basically,

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<v Speaker 1>after the liberal rolls had let the left seize the

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<v Speaker 1>city and revolt, the military made sure that a strongman

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<v Speaker 1>like Car wound up in charge after the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a year or so later, and Carr had vowed during

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<v Speaker 1>his campaign to turn the city into a cell of

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<v Speaker 1>law and order. Oh god, they keep saying that, keep

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, which just keep saying law and order, but

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<v Speaker 1>just you don't never happens never. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna quote from author David King describing cars politics here.

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<v Speaker 1>He welcomed right wing extremists to settle in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of them in turn joined the paramilitary societies

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<v Speaker 1>emerging in the aftermath of the war and revolution. Car

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<v Speaker 1>also organized many of these bands into a loose coalition

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<v Speaker 1>called the Iron Waterweven or Citizens Militia that would soon

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<v Speaker 1>surpass three hundred thousand men. Car would use this volunteer

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<v Speaker 1>home guard and everything from law enforcement to border patrol.

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<v Speaker 1>They were necessary, he said, like a fire brigade. So

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<v Speaker 1>Carr builds this citizen militia, basically a private army of

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<v Speaker 1>himself for his own, to crack down on the left.

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<v Speaker 1>And Germany at this point is forbidden from having much

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<v Speaker 1>of a real military. They're captive about a hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers in the reichs Fair um. And this is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Treaty of Versailles. And France realizes that

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<v Speaker 1>Car is raising up thousands and thousands of private soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they complained that he's building a new German army,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's forced to disband his militia. UM. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>pisses off the far right, the fact that Car caves

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<v Speaker 1>and cancels his militia and tells his guys to go home. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of them consider him like the fascist

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of a rhino at this point, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>republican and name only like they're like cars. Not really

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<v Speaker 1>on the right. What he got cooked by the French

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<v Speaker 1>yea Um. But he's still very popular with the center right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's seen as something of like a a resistance

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<v Speaker 1>hero um among like the center right. So he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not like popular on the fringe right, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>popular on the middle right. So in October. Now, another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's happening at this period of time is, in

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<v Speaker 1>August of nineteen twenty three, Gustav Stresseman is elected Chancellor

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<v Speaker 1>of Germany. Um and right before he comes to power,

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans had begged the Allies for a moratorium on

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<v Speaker 1>reparations payments because the German economy is collapsing in this

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<v Speaker 1>period and they just can't afford it. The French had

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<v Speaker 1>refused to put in a moratorium on payments, and then

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get money out of Germany that Germany

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't sending, they invaded and occupied the Ruhr, which is

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<v Speaker 1>Germany's industrial heartland. So Germany defaults on their payments after,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, before they invade the rule and like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the French invade pisses off all of

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<v Speaker 1>Germany and particularly the German right wing. Yeah so is

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<v Speaker 1>this this again? Yeah, like a little little little human

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<v Speaker 1>in his story here is like, yeah, so you guys

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<v Speaker 1>knew chancellor because they had to write a whole new constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>the rohole new constitution, got a new chancellor. They gotta

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<v Speaker 1>payback Audisy. They destroyed for his war. They already feel

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<v Speaker 1>salty about that, like, damn, I gotta I gotta clean it.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta pay for artists, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>And in a like literally we're broke, Like God, damn it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're broke, you know what I'm saying. So then and

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<v Speaker 1>then for France to be like, oh, you gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>me my money, They're like what money, Well, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything. What money? We don't have it. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>starved to death on turnips last winter, like we have

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like you saw it. We lost. Damn man, we lost,

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<v Speaker 1>and no we are like we got it. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>this this a lot of the anger at the Treaty

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<v Speaker 1>of Versailles and the way the French are behaving gets

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<v Speaker 1>pushed onto the German liberals, who like because their internationalists

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like try to engage with the French, and

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<v Speaker 1>Gustop stress him and gets elected. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first things he does is he orders the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a general strike against the French and the RU and

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<v Speaker 1>he starts resuming reparations payments and this enrages the right

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<v Speaker 1>wing and so and stress him and knows it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to so he has the President of the Reich to

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<v Speaker 1>clear and emergency. The Bavarian government gets piste by this

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<v Speaker 1>because they hate Stressman. They're all very conservative, he's a liberal,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, basically, this guy has been cucked by

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<v Speaker 1>the French, and they declare Bavaria to close its own

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<v Speaker 1>state of emergency. Now, the decision to do that was

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<v Speaker 1>made by the Triumvirate that ruled Bavaria, which consisted of

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<v Speaker 1>von Kar General von Lasso, who's in charge of the

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<v Speaker 1>army in Bavaria, and the commander of the state police,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Cisser I think. Now, this Triumvirate had

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<v Speaker 1>publicly refused a number of orders from Berlin as a

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<v Speaker 1>show of protest and as red meat to their right

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<v Speaker 1>wing base. So basically it's like a state in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States refusing orders from the federal government because it's

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<v Speaker 1>against what their political base wants. Um. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>mostly for show, because yeah, this is mostly for show, um.

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<v Speaker 1>Because like, the federal government has the ability to deny

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<v Speaker 1>funds to Bavaria, right, which kind of fox them over.

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<v Speaker 1>And so by early November, the Triumvirate is losing heart

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<v Speaker 1>because they wanted to get red meat to their base

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<v Speaker 1>and like improve their own personal popularity by saying fuck

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<v Speaker 1>you to the central government. But they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>pay consequences. So they're starting to cave by November. But

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<v Speaker 1>most voters don't know that. And so when von Kar

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<v Speaker 1>takes the stage at the burger Brow beer Hall on

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<v Speaker 1>November eight, the really like a lot of people show

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<v Speaker 1>up because they think he's about to announce that Bavaria

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<v Speaker 1>is seceding from Germany. Um. Now Hitler knows that's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. He knows that's very unlikely because Hitler sees

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<v Speaker 1>von Kar is basically a moderate. But he also knows

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<v Speaker 1>that a huge crowd, including all of the people running Bavaria,

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be in the beer hall that night,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes it a great place to occupy with armed men.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going to do a push, if you're pushing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's where you want to put this where

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<v Speaker 1>you push the put. Yeah, this is the beer hall.

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<v Speaker 1>The burger Brow beer Hall is the equivalent of the

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<v Speaker 1>capital on January six. Here it's like where all these

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<v Speaker 1>elected leaders are. If you want to actually capture these people,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where you do it. Um. So he gets

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<v Speaker 1>together his stormtrooper leaders and his key advisors, and they

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<v Speaker 1>work with their police insider, who's a fellow named Frick.

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<v Speaker 1>Because a lot of cops are Nazism. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put like timeline on that. A lot of cops.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just let a little bit, okay cool, So Frick,

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<v Speaker 1>this cop ensures that the police presence outside the beer

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<v Speaker 1>hall is minimal. Like all of the guys running Bavaria

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<v Speaker 1>are there, but they don't have very many cops protecting them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's by design to make it easier for the

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<v Speaker 1>storm troopers. So Hitler sets yeah, I know another thing

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<v Speaker 1>that has never happened again, yea. So Hitler's other lackeys,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who aren't like fighters, get set to the

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<v Speaker 1>organizing propaganda. One man was set was like put to

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<v Speaker 1>the job of organizing the distribution of posters and newspapers

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<v Speaker 1>announcing the Nazi overthrow of the government. Hitler's half American friend,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Hunt Stengele that are known as Putsy,

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<v Speaker 1>who's like a Harvard graduate um, was in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>making stir. The foreign press was there without knowing why

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<v Speaker 1>they were there, because Puts a charmer, he's a he's

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<v Speaker 1>a like an aristocrat. Guy. He's good at talking to people.

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<v Speaker 1>He's good talking to like American media, so like the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times has a guy there on this night. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler and his entourage show up at the beer hole

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<v Speaker 1>uh that night, like as thousands of people are gathered

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<v Speaker 1>up outside to get in to watch von Kar speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and Hitler's immediately gets out of his I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Mercedes, and he's immediately greeted by a crowd of

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand people outside the hall because there is very

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<v Speaker 1>popular in with the right in Munich. So he gets

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<v Speaker 1>mobbed by this crowd who wanted to know if, like

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<v Speaker 1>he knew what von Kar was going to speak about,

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, are we going to succeed? What's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>And Hitler's like, I'm just a guest. I'm here like

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of you. And he goes inside to get

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<v Speaker 1>a beer, and he doesn't get a beer because he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to drink it. Hitler's not really a drinker right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he'll he'll like down like um, some champagne

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<v Speaker 1>or something. He's not much of a drinker. He has

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<v Speaker 1>the beer because Garing has warned him, like, hey, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to overthrow the government. We don't want

1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:50.519
<v Speaker 1>people to realize we're onto something early. If you're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a beer hole in Munich with a beer, no

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<v Speaker 1>one will suspect that you're planning to break the law

1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:58.360
<v Speaker 1>because it's Munich. Um. So Hitler gets a beer and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like kind of nursing it. Um and Car takes

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<v Speaker 1>the podium. Now, car speech is boring and pointless, in

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<v Speaker 1>a big bummer to everybody. He just starts like he's

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<v Speaker 1>not succeeding. He starts a standard harangue about the evils

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<v Speaker 1>of Marxism, about how Munich was going to fight the

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<v Speaker 1>contagion and quintessential evil of socialism, pretty normal right wing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And Hitler is reported to have asked his men

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<v Speaker 1>during cars speech, does anyone understand what he's talking about? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fund is this guy doing up there? Him? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well this is going on while you know, Hitler and

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<v Speaker 1>his kind of inner circle or watching Car speak, and

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<v Speaker 1>this beer hall has got thousands of people in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's stormtroopers are assembling nearby. Now, a twenty six year

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<v Speaker 1>old cigar a dealer named Josef was the quartermaster. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he basically like as the troops assembled, he starts

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<v Speaker 1>handing out rifles and machine guns and grenades to several

1:13:50.920 --> 1:13:53.680
<v Speaker 1>dozen of the Nazi Party's best fighters, the men of

1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Stostrip Hitler or the Hitler Assault Squad. Now, these guys

1:13:58.080 --> 1:14:01.360
<v Speaker 1>wore a gray military uniform with a silver Death's Head

1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:04.360
<v Speaker 1>badge on their caps. The star Strup would wind up

1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:07.640
<v Speaker 1>evolving into the shoot Staffle, which is the infamous SS right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the the guys who, among other things, man the

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<v Speaker 1>concentration camps. At this point, they're Hitler street fighters, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and are responsible for protecting him and stuff. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are the guys he's going to use to be the

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<v Speaker 1>the armed fist of his push. Now, before the putch,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler had given his fighters a few suggestions for how

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<v Speaker 1>to behave He had told them cruelty impresses, and don't

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<v Speaker 1>leave a fight unless you're being carried out dead. God,

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<v Speaker 1>these are disorders, screen light. Look you only had the

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<v Speaker 1>only way you leave is in a bag. Yeah, these

1:14:41.280 --> 1:14:44.280
<v Speaker 1>guys are sucking. Um. You know, he's a gangster. This

1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:47.639
<v Speaker 1>is a gangster regime. A lot of people at the time, actually,

1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:50.280
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of American newspapermen in the twenties and

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<v Speaker 1>thirties will say this about the Nazis. These people are

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<v Speaker 1>working gangsters. Yeah yeah, Now, a little before eight thirty pm,

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred stormtroopers swarmed the premises of the Burger Brow

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<v Speaker 1>and entered the beer hall, shouting Heil Hitler and waving guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Herman Gering, who led the assault team, told the police

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<v Speaker 1>officers outside that the government was being overthrown. The dozen

1:15:10.840 --> 1:15:13.479
<v Speaker 1>or so cops there were easily overpowered. Garing and his

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<v Speaker 1>men secured the building, and as he entered he called

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<v Speaker 1>for quiet. Now everybody's drunk at this point, so they

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<v Speaker 1>don't get quiet. So he has to shoot into the

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<v Speaker 1>roof with his handgun. Then he liked basically hands things

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<v Speaker 1>over to Hitler, who pulls off his trench coat to

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<v Speaker 1>reveal a black suit with two iron crosses pinned to

1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:30.960
<v Speaker 1>his lapel. And I'm gonna quote next from a right

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<v Speaker 1>up by Douglas oh Linder. He jumped up on a table,

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<v Speaker 1>pulled out a pistol, and fired two shots into the ceilings.

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<v Speaker 1>The second guy who's fired into the ceiling that night,

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<v Speaker 1>it keeps happening. It happened several more drinking guys and

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<v Speaker 1>fired two shots into the ceiling silence, he yelled. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler and several supporters pushed their way to the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the room and confronted speaker Car at the podium.

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<v Speaker 1>Stormtroopers pointed a machine gun at the crowd. Many who

1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:56.040
<v Speaker 1>were in the audience leader said that they suspected they

1:15:56.040 --> 1:15:59.479
<v Speaker 1>were about to witness an assassination. Hitler shouted to the crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>Then national revolution has begun. Six hundred armed men are

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<v Speaker 1>occupying this hall. No one may leave. The governments of

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<v Speaker 1>Bavaria and in Berlin have been overthrown. Army barracks and

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<v Speaker 1>police headquarters are now under the control of this party.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this was true, but Hitler hoped and suspected

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be soon enough. Hitler then told car

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<v Speaker 1>and two other important political leaders, General von Lasso and

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel von Seisser, that they should join him in a

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<v Speaker 1>side room for a conversation about Bavaria's future. After the

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<v Speaker 1>men leave, Garing told the crowd, you all have your beer,

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<v Speaker 1>keep drinking. You have nothing to worry about. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be fine. It's just a butch. Chill out, guys. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>has to die. Man, keep drinking. Just no I'm in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Yeah, we're in charge where the Nazis. It's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. So Hitler's goal was to convince the Triumvirate

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<v Speaker 1>to back his plan. He wanted Bavaria's army units and

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<v Speaker 1>police on his side. He doesn't want to fight these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>His plan is to do a grander version of what

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<v Speaker 1>Mussolini had done and start marching with ten's basically all

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<v Speaker 1>of the right wingers in the military of Bavaria and

1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:04.439
<v Speaker 1>start marching up to Berlin. And he imagines thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to join them on the way, and

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<v Speaker 1>once they reach Berlin, they're going to overthrow the liberal

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<v Speaker 1>government easily in institute of fascist state run by Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>and Ludendorff. And of course for that to happen, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't get bogged down fighting the Bavarian state right now. Seisser,

1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:23.040
<v Speaker 1>loss Ou and car were all pretty close to being

1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:26.680
<v Speaker 1>fascists themselves. But these guys are all state loyal right,

1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.599
<v Speaker 1>they're not revolutionaries. They don't want to overthrow the government.

1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:31.920
<v Speaker 1>They want the government to change into a more right

1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:35.080
<v Speaker 1>wing government. But they're not like bomb throwers like Hitler

1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is um. So they didn't want to follow this weird

1:17:39.000 --> 1:17:42.160
<v Speaker 1>little Nazi guy in open rebellion against the state. Now,

1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:44.679
<v Speaker 1>Hitler tried to smooth talk them. He promised them cushy

1:17:44.720 --> 1:17:47.519
<v Speaker 1>positions in the new regime. Car is a monarchist and

1:17:47.560 --> 1:17:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Hitler tells him like, hey, man, I'm gonna bring back

1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the King of Bavaria and you can be his envoy

1:17:52.120 --> 1:17:58.920
<v Speaker 1>to the government. Isn't that like your dream? Um? Right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So they risk this um Car and Lasso and everyone

1:18:02.600 --> 1:18:04.479
<v Speaker 1>like they're not they're not on board with this, And

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<v Speaker 1>before very long, Hitler did what Hitler's do, and he

1:18:07.400 --> 1:18:10.920
<v Speaker 1>starts threatening to murder them at gunpoint. Now, Ludendorff, who

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<v Speaker 1>like when the occupation of the beer hall starts, Ludendorff

1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:15.920
<v Speaker 1>like some Nazi show up at his house and you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that thing you kind of agreed to, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. Ludendorff like shows up and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll see if this works. And he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of horrified by Hitler's behavior because Ludendorf is a he's

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<v Speaker 1>like a classic imperial German manners dude, right, there are

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<v Speaker 1>ways in which you, especially these people are nobles. You

1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:36.479
<v Speaker 1>don't you don't point a gun in their face, right,

1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Like that's very ghost and he's not. He doesn't like

1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Hitler in a lot of ways because Hitler's a fucking,

1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:47.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of a peon to him, but he's not,

1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:50.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's he's he's gotten acclimatized to being in

1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:54.800
<v Speaker 1>high society. Hitler is very much crude, um damn. And

1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Ludendorf is kind of like horrified by this, but he's

1:18:58.040 --> 1:19:00.320
<v Speaker 1>he's still on board with the general plan because he

1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>wants to take over the government and institute the right

1:19:02.280 --> 1:19:06.800
<v Speaker 1>wing military dictatorship. And eventually, now that once Ludendorff shows

1:19:06.880 --> 1:19:10.759
<v Speaker 1>up to these guys, car And and Lasso and Sisser

1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:14.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of agree to help the putsch and agree to

1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like basically put the powers of the Bavarian state behind

1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Hitler's push attempt. And they didn't really mean it, but

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<v Speaker 1>a guy was threatening to murder them, so they're like,

1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:30.559
<v Speaker 1>all right, yeah, yeah. Now, while this was happening, different

1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:33.439
<v Speaker 1>armed groups of Nazis were out capturing key parts of

1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:36.679
<v Speaker 1>the city. The Bavarian War Ministry was taken by Ernst

1:19:36.760 --> 1:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Rome and his men, including young Heinrich Himler, and they

1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:43.320
<v Speaker 1>proceeded to fortify it. Another group of four hundred stormtroopers

1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:45.479
<v Speaker 1>was sent to take guns and equipment from the Army

1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Engineer barracks. Now this is a very fun story because

1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:50.599
<v Speaker 1>these Nazis all show up and the captain on duty

1:19:50.880 --> 1:19:53.240
<v Speaker 1>who's like in charge of handing out guns and stuff.

1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:55.600
<v Speaker 1>They're like, hey, we're here to do maneuvers. Can we

1:19:55.680 --> 1:19:59.479
<v Speaker 1>borrow the guns? Um? And the captain realizes something is

1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:02.360
<v Speaker 1>very fi she and it's like, you can use the guns,

1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:04.120
<v Speaker 1>but you can't go on maneuvers outside. You got to

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<v Speaker 1>show up inside and like the big gymnasium and then

1:20:06.680 --> 1:20:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll hand you the guns there and you can do

1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:11.599
<v Speaker 1>your maneuvers inside. And so all four hundred Nazis go

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<v Speaker 1>into the gymnasium and he locks it from the outside. Brilliant, brilliant.

1:20:19.880 --> 1:20:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah here here, bro, Yeah, yeah, I got you us

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<v Speaker 1>right here there, Yeah, right inside the door, I got you. Yeah.

1:20:27.920 --> 1:20:30.160
<v Speaker 1>This guy's name should be remembered. His name is Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar Canceler, and he ruled. He he saves the German

1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:36.320
<v Speaker 1>state that night. He definitely stays at least for a

1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:38.320
<v Speaker 1>little while. You know, it didn't last, but he did

1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:41.120
<v Speaker 1>his bit um. So the Nazis who were locked inside

1:20:41.120 --> 1:20:43.080
<v Speaker 1>couldn't call Hitler to let him know they had the

1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:45.200
<v Speaker 1>guns and we're ready to take part in the push.

1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:47.439
<v Speaker 1>And Hitler was waiting for that call. Right, He's got

1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:50.040
<v Speaker 1>teams going out and seizing places in the city, and

1:20:50.080 --> 1:20:52.479
<v Speaker 1>he realizes, like, these dudes haven't called in from the

1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:55.200
<v Speaker 1>barracks yet, right, something must be wrong. And this was

1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a key part of his intricate plan. Uh and he knew.

1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:01.559
<v Speaker 1>So this kind of puts Hitler in a bind. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew that the triumvirate were not enthusiastic about this plan,

1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and if if he was going to keep them enthusiastic

1:21:07.360 --> 1:21:10.439
<v Speaker 1>and like kind of forced them to be enthusiastic his men,

1:21:10.479 --> 1:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>And we're going to have to be in total control

1:21:12.320 --> 1:21:14.639
<v Speaker 1>of the city, right, if he could, if he could

1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:17.080
<v Speaker 1>really be in charge in Munich, they weren't going to

1:21:17.160 --> 1:21:19.000
<v Speaker 1>fight him. They give the army the orders to go

1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:20.679
<v Speaker 1>along with it, right because they don't want to die.

1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:24.679
<v Speaker 1>But he's got to actually be in charge. And making

1:21:24.720 --> 1:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>his first critical mistake, Hitler desize it's necessary for him

1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>to leave the Burger Brow beer hall late that night

1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to see what's going on at the Engineer barracks. And

1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:36.960
<v Speaker 1>he leaves Ludendorff alone with the triumvirate. This is a

1:21:37.000 --> 1:21:41.080
<v Speaker 1>bad call. Oh, So Hitler and his Nazis know these

1:21:41.120 --> 1:21:43.519
<v Speaker 1>guys are captives. He knows that he's holding them against

1:21:43.560 --> 1:21:46.280
<v Speaker 1>their will. He knows that if they're agreeing, it's they're

1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:51.400
<v Speaker 1>not really that on board with the idea. Ludendorff again

1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:54.320
<v Speaker 1>is kind of not being told the entire truth about

1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:57.280
<v Speaker 1>what's happening, and he thinks these guys are fellow German patriots,

1:21:57.400 --> 1:22:00.640
<v Speaker 1>right um. And he also thought they looked heared you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a long night. And he's like, do you

1:22:02.439 --> 1:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>guys want to go home and like take a nap

1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:06.320
<v Speaker 1>or something, And they're like, yeah, we would like to

1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.160
<v Speaker 1>go home. And he's like, bro, yeah, man, you guys

1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:12.000
<v Speaker 1>are German officers. I, as a German officer, know that

1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>no German officer would ever lie. Give me your word

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<v Speaker 1>of honor that you'll come back to help us finish

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<v Speaker 1>the coup tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be back. What's

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<v Speaker 1>time we'll be yeah, they say, of course we'll come back,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Bro, what's I what's I like? Tan? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you in the morning. Yeah. So some of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis. There are Nazis in the room too, and

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<v Speaker 1>they see Ludendorff doing this, they're like, dude, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back. And Ludendorff gets pissed at them, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, I forbid anyone in this room from doubting

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<v Speaker 1>the word of a German officer. How dare you? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a kid, uh, you know, the like

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<v Speaker 1>the clue you was about to get knocked out but

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<v Speaker 1>robbed by somebody like hey, hey, hey, hey, I'll borrow

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<v Speaker 1>you a phone right quick, let me use your phone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Well you would look and be like, don't get that

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<v Speaker 1>man your phone. Do not walk over there and get

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<v Speaker 1>at mean, what are you talking my many? You just

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<v Speaker 1>want to borrow my phone. Don't give him your phone?

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you do? You keep walking bro like hey,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, come on, let me just use it right quick? No,

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<v Speaker 1>man like like you know what do you what do you?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you? What are you doing? What are you doing? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>There it is now you're now you're sleeping. Hey, just

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<v Speaker 1>put you to sleep, and your barefoot The guy just

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<v Speaker 1>stole your shoes. I told you not to. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that that's totally funny. Like the guys in room saying yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The boss is like, yeah, let him go take a nap,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dudes are like, hey, I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea. Man, you really think they're gonna come back? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're gonna come back. Hey, boss, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't let them leave you kind of seeing this

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<v Speaker 1>why Ludendorff didn't win the war, right, like this good idea? Coach, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>hey boss, this might not be the plan. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is where we're gonna leave it in part one. General

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<v Speaker 1>Ludendorff the genius of German military tactics. It's just let

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<v Speaker 1>everyone go that he needs in order to make Germans

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<v Speaker 1>don't lie, German officers don't lie. Um, I swear to

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<v Speaker 1>you're coming back. I'll bring back. Yeah, absolutely tons of coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna we're gonna putch the hell out of this state.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me a minute, Yeah, let me get a nap.

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