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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and pride events have been canceled in

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Speaker 1: studded show today. California Congressman Eric Swolwell stops by to

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Speaker 1: update us on the mess that is the US Congress

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Speaker 1: and talks to us about how the debt ceiling hostage

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Speaker 1: situation is playing out. Then we'll talk to Nebraska's state

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Speaker 1: Senator Megan Hunt about the NonStop fuckery in Nebraska. But

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Speaker 1: first we have legendary Democratic strategist James Carvill.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics. James Carvill.

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Speaker 3: No, how fast I am, but.

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Speaker 1: It's good made up debt ceiling bullshit. What should Biden

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Speaker 1: do firthing?

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Speaker 3: You need to run two miles out and don't call

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Speaker 3: it debt field and call it default rule number one

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Speaker 3: to default or not the default? That's the question. That

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Speaker 3: is a better word. And of course being held hostage.

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Speaker 3: Your communications has not been that year. It should only

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Speaker 3: talk about default or not default. It should talk about

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Speaker 3: the fact that there is no such thing as a

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Speaker 3: Republican budget. Joe Biden has submitted his budget. The Republicans

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Speaker 3: have been in polished in January, no budget zero. The

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Speaker 3: third thing that needs to be pointed out, according to

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Speaker 3: David Jolly from a Republican Consem Florida, the kind of

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Speaker 3: a budget scholar, the United States has been acquiring debt

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Speaker 3: since seventeen eighty nine. Twenty five percent of that total

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Speaker 3: debt was during the Trump administration percent that's about one

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Speaker 3: point six percent of the time in the years. So

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Speaker 3: you have to prepare people get our budget that all

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Speaker 3: they want to do is just slash veteran slash law enforcement,

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Speaker 3: but dard enforcement class education. And the communications coming out

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Speaker 3: of there has not been very consistent and it's not

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Speaker 3: been what I would consider repetitive enough. But where we are,

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Speaker 3: and the following is probably going to happen. It's going

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Speaker 3: to be a shitty deal from the vantaged plinty of

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Speaker 3: Democrats get to meet and say, look, what would be

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Speaker 3: worse if we wrecked this economy? So we're going to

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Speaker 3: take the deal. Of course, there's going to be direquisite

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Speaker 3: amount of somewhat appropriate bitching and screaming from mostly but

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Speaker 3: not all, from from the left of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: They'll be a lot of that knowing own and we'll say, well,

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Speaker 3: we ought to run on this in the next election,

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Speaker 3: but this going to be the choice between taking a

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Speaker 3: pretty unsavorable compromise and negotiation all wrecking the economy, because

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Speaker 3: they will wreck the frick an economy to do this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you need five seeing Republicans.

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Speaker 3: You have to talk to legislative people, but that takes

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Speaker 3: a while, right, get up on mornings. They're going to

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Speaker 3: have a discharge petition.

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Speaker 1: What about like minting the coin or selling You.

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Speaker 3: Can try it, but the courts will probably knock it down,

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Speaker 3: you know, gimmicky. Look, people don't even know. Maybe we

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Speaker 3: started to say it's not yet, that's already been acquired.

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Speaker 3: You can say all of that, but it really doesn't

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Speaker 3: through re published. Remember we started coming, but we sure

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Speaker 3: didn't prepare anybody for where we are now. The other thing, though,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much else they keep losing election.

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Speaker 3: Have you noticed that? Yeah, yes, they're losing in Foriday're

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Speaker 3: losing Virginia, they're losing in Pennsylvania. They're losing in Wiscona.

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Speaker 3: They're losing in Colorado. I mean, name a place and

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Speaker 3: they're losing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you were in that administration right now,

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Speaker 1: what would you do?

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Speaker 3: What I would do because it's what I know I

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Speaker 3: would do, Message discipline and message enforcement. They don't call

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Speaker 3: people in say you know, this is what you should

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Speaker 3: limits say default, you know, talk about how the president

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Speaker 3: had proposed a budget. They have no budget. There's nothing

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Speaker 3: to negotiate with. And who were the ad to tell

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Speaker 3: us about debt when they are, you know, acquired the

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Speaker 3: gazillion times more debt on the Republicans and Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's so interesting about the demands? Are they want

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Speaker 1: to make the Trump tax cut permanent, but make sure

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Speaker 1: like just completely schizophrenic, right, It's never been about the deficit.

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Speaker 3: The Trump tax cuts truck Carlo has off the chart.

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Speaker 3: Just come on, man, you're not in reality. The Trump

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Speaker 3: tax cuts did nothing, but they rich people rich. They

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Speaker 3: had been study after study after study. It was a

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Speaker 3: We didn't prepare anybody for that. So now we're down

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Speaker 1: Popular at all, nor should they be.

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Speaker 3: No, there's no reason for the bait, the games. All

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Speaker 3: of the people who didn't need it more money, and

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Speaker 3: they had zero effect of improving the economy.

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Speaker 1: Trickle down economics never works. I mean that's what we

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Speaker 1: see again and again.

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Speaker 3: It's no longer an opinion. I mean, study after study

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Speaker 1: So what do you think about I mean, we're in

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Speaker 1: this Republican primary season. Everybody in the world is jumping

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Speaker 1: into this not Trump lane. I mean, what do you

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Speaker 1: think happens now?

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Speaker 3: I tell people, I'm really I'm not very good at

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Speaker 3: prediction being things, but it's going to happen clearly of it.

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Speaker 3: Dart term hump isn't profound legal jeopardy I mean profound

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Speaker 3: and the least there's a problems Alan Braight and THRM

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Speaker 3: mc daniels. I mean, it was just jaw dropping story

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Speaker 3: today about the supoenia all these business records, because obviously

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Speaker 3: off on a subpoena of a lawyer's notes. Right, That's

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Speaker 3: that's so to get to be kind of fundamental about it,

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Speaker 3: To get us to be that, you have to show

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Speaker 3: probable cause. We think, you know, we got an information,

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Speaker 3: belief that this guy, you know, he was stealing watching

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Speaker 3: and we want to search his house to find new watches. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's one standard we want to climb. Fraud ecception. We

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Speaker 3: want to subpoenas his lawyer. That's a much higher standard.

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Speaker 3: You just can't go in there on information and believe.

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Speaker 3: You have to have something pretty dog on substantial. It's

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Speaker 3: clear to everybody that the Fulton County is going to

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Speaker 3: Trump doesn't cay. He's never followed the law in his life,

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Speaker 3: and he's always been able to gain it. I think

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Speaker 3: it's catching up with it or do to do.

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Speaker 1: Even if it catches up with him, Even if it

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Speaker 1: catches right up to him, it doesn't matter for the base.

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Speaker 3: Well, president matters outside the base because they're losing elections. Reford, right,

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Speaker 3: is there a point where the base breaks? Well, maybe

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Speaker 3: the base is forty percent, but how much of that

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Speaker 3: And remember the most important thing to remember without prediction,

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Speaker 3: but just I don't know the rules first and the

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Speaker 3: democratic rules that we have proportional representation. So if it's

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Speaker 3: where you get party, You know, you get four dollars

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Speaker 3: The Republicans are mostly want to take off because you

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Speaker 3: go forty thirty thirty, you get one hundred. So let's

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Speaker 3: just say they have of all these people running and

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Speaker 3: Trump loses something, but it's still solidly high percentage of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that seems like a very likely outcome, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: It seems like one that you would consider. Yes, Governess,

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Speaker 3: stuff has some effect, but not the hardcore people, and

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Speaker 3: the hardcore people are always going to be more excited

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Speaker 3: can't put this together and this isn't it and that

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Speaker 3: problem is cool my god. And of course, yeah, pressures

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Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that you have Republicans voting going

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Speaker 1: from voting for a racist to voting for someone who

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Speaker 3: Pretty hard. They hadn't one pulland one percent. You know,

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Speaker 3: we'll see where that goes. But he's uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's running as a happy warrior for these Trump riders.

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Speaker 3: They're very happy.

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Speaker 1: To me, there's a lot of anxiety in the punding

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Speaker 1: Where are you on that?

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Speaker 3: First of all, the age is legitimate issues. You just

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Speaker 3: can't say that, let's pivots to the real issues here. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you're making this up. And fundamentally he's not a very

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Speaker 3: will come to appreciate the job. But he's done. And

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Speaker 3: Trump needs Biden because that's the only Democrat he could be,

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Speaker 3: And Biden needs Trump because that's the republic he could be.

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of weird. In this way. But they're

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Speaker 1: It's a different issue when you're running against Trump than

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Speaker 1: when you're running against DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: Right, DeSantis is a really unpleasant man. So here is

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Speaker 3: something I teach when you're in politic, you have enemies

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Speaker 3: of necessity. So somebody is the governor and you want

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Speaker 3: or your governor. Somebody wants to take a job and

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Speaker 3: you want to get re elected. So that's the enemy

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Speaker 3: of the sisty enemies a choice or entirely different. And

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Speaker 3: DeSantis has poor judgment. So the key player in all

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Speaker 3: of this is Suzi Wilder.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I can't tell you how central she is.

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Speaker 3: So Susie Wilders was some law famous football player in them,

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Speaker 3: and she was DeSantis's person. She she's a go to

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Speaker 3: his everything. And miss desantist he's going to be a

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Speaker 3: erupt is a much bigger issue. It just goes knocked

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Speaker 3: her off. Well, she whipped the ball. I go. Now

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Speaker 3: we're seeing stories about his use of jets and everything.

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Speaker 3: And now they're the story with him texting love harness.

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Speaker 3: Miss Casey Desanta's is having a headache because Miss Wilde

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Speaker 3: is app dancing on her head and she's just getting started.

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Speaker 1: James Carville, thank you so much. I hope you'll come

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Speaker 1: fast politics, Eric Swahwell, I'm Mollie so excited to have you.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, on defense spending, nothing will bring

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Speaker 5: People get hurt.

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Speaker 4: You can't undefault, like once you default, that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: They do not seem to understand it. But also, do

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Speaker 4: you that will suffer. Like like, we need to make it,

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Speaker 4: I think, more personal rather than talking about good government

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Speaker 4: and what we've done in the past. Again, the fact

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Speaker 4: that we raise the death stealing three times under Trump,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't mean anything to people. We need to make

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Speaker 4: it more personal.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this FBI January sixth

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Speaker 1: tranch of communications that just were uncovered. Clearly a lot

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Speaker 1: went wrong on January sixth, for which a lot of

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Speaker 1: lower level people have been jailed, but there has not

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Speaker 1: been any kind of accountability up the chain. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that any of this will lead to that or

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Speaker 1: do you think that this is just not how we

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Speaker 1: do justice in this country anymore.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I'm really concerned about the FBI agents who

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Speaker 4: attended the rally right and then ultimately would have their

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Speaker 4: security clearances revoked. And I'm concerned that, you know, Republicans

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Speaker 4: are holding them up as you know, quote unquote whistleblowers,

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Speaker 4: and by the way, they won't give a single whistleblower

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Speaker 4: protection to anybody in the Trump administration. Remember, they wanted

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Speaker 4: to out the whistleblowers. They wanted to docks the whistleblowers.

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Speaker 4: And now they're you know, heralding these people is whistleblowers.

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Speaker 4: And so that part concerns me. But I have to

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Speaker 4: say when it comes to January sixth, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to blame the victims too much here, you know, I

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Speaker 4: don't I don't want to blame the police. I don't

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Speaker 4: want to blame the FBI. Like Donald Trump told us.

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Speaker 4: I think it was on December nineteenth, in that two

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Speaker 4: am tweet that January six will be wild, and then he.

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Speaker 5: Fired all these people up.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we had thousands of police officers you know,

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Speaker 4: around the Capitol, and Donald Trump failed to invoke the

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Speaker 4: National Guard. He wanted his rioters, his supporters, you know,

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Speaker 4: to be able to get around weapons screens. Let me,

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Speaker 4: I put this almost entirely on Donald Trump because this

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Speaker 4: was his FBI at the time. I mean, they could

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Speaker 4: only go as far as you know, the permissions they

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Speaker 4: would get from his Attorney General, who at that time

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Speaker 4: was all in for Trump. So I do think, of course,

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Speaker 4: like the capital will look different, you know, for future

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Speaker 4: January sixth certifications. But I want to be careful not

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Speaker 4: to let Donald Trump off the hook in any way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was entirely of his doing and the

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Speaker 4: doing of the people who enabled him and did.

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Speaker 5: Nothing to stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, do you think though, that there's more coming?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is your sense. You've been, you know,

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Speaker 1: part of this investigation congressionally, you know you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of insight here. I mean, do you think there's

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Speaker 1: more coming?

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Speaker 4: We have our own suit against Donald Trump, and we're

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Speaker 4: waiting for a Court of Appeals decision that is imminent.

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Speaker 4: If it goes our way, we expect to be in

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Speaker 4: depositions and discovery very soon. And we actually would be

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Speaker 4: in our suit, we would be able to get more information,

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Speaker 4: I think than anybody else because we are bringing this

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Speaker 4: in my personal capacity, and because I'm doing it that way,

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Speaker 4: many of the privileges.

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Speaker 5: Trump and his team have stood on to prevent people.

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Speaker 4: From getting information, whether it's Congress or other suits, he

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Speaker 4: would not be able to use because I'm bringing it

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Speaker 4: in my personal capacity, and so many of the privileges

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Speaker 4: would go away.

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Speaker 5: And so I do think this, you know, in.

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Speaker 4: Addition to ultimately holding him accountable, this will be another

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Speaker 4: thread stream of information about what Donald Trump did and

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Speaker 4: didn't do on January sixth. But again I just think, Molly,

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Speaker 4: sometimes it's our nature is a CSI ncis consuming society

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Speaker 4: to believe that like the reveal comes, you know, in

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Speaker 4: the last episode of the season. But actually I think

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Speaker 4: with Donald Trump, he kind of starts where.

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Speaker 5: He's going to end.

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Speaker 4: He's told us exactly what he's going to do, and

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Speaker 4: then he's done it, and we keep thinking we need

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Speaker 4: like some sort of you know, reveal or smoking gun,

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Speaker 4: but like he's never hidden front it, and so we're

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Speaker 4: just conditioned to think that, like there's more and I

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Speaker 4: think we had enough when he sent that tweet that

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Speaker 4: it will be wild and then just stoke get from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it is interesting like when you see

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Speaker 1: the kind of like e Jean's case, which is such

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Speaker 1: a great example of like just a person being defamed

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Speaker 1: being able to hold Trump responsible for the defamation, that

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Speaker 1: there are creative ways or not even creative, but you

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Speaker 1: know that you may have to take a more circuitous

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Speaker 4: And what I like about e Gene is you know

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Speaker 4: she is continuing to play on his side of the field, right,

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Speaker 4: She's like, Okay, you.

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Speaker 5: Want to keep talking shit, great, see you back in court.

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Speaker 1: It's going to cost me.

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Speaker 4: And that's the only way the guy is going to learn,

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Speaker 4: as I said, is you just have to play on

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Speaker 4: his side of the field, and you have to set

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Speaker 4: the rules and the terms and not let him do it.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise you get the town hall that we saw a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering now that we're in this hot campaign season again,

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Speaker 1: you and I both, I feel like, have had this

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Speaker 1: experience of being just taken a lot of like death

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Speaker 1: some just a lot of really scary stuff from Republicans

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Speaker 1: As it gets hot again, are you anxious? I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: do you think that Trump has that kind of rhetoric

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Speaker 1: or do you think I mean, what's your take?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is Amazon prime for death threats, right, he

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Speaker 4: puts some in your inbox or on your doorstet pretty quickly.

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Speaker 5: You know, he'll say something, it'll fire up his supporters.

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Speaker 4: And we and just the last you know week have

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Speaker 4: been back to peak death threats and they're parroting Trump.

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Speaker 5: McCarthy. Uh, you know what we saw from Tucker Carlson's

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Speaker 5: rhetoric in the past.

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Speaker 4: And actually, I think you're going to see as he

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Speaker 4: starts to feel the heat from other candidates in the primary,

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Speaker 4: they'll get them too, right, I mean, because his followers

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Speaker 4: are not they're not partisan at all, you know, very

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Speaker 4: much cult like, and so they'll be aimed at Republican colleagues.

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Speaker 4: And my it's just what frustrates me is that the

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Speaker 4: best way. And Jonathan Greenblot from the Any Defamation League

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Speaker 4: told me this a couple of years ago in a

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Speaker 4: congressional hearing, that when threats and extremism are denounced by

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Speaker 4: both parties, it sends a message to people from those

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Speaker 4: groups that there's not a green light to do it.

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Speaker 4: And he said the silence also sends a message that

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Speaker 4: your silence is almost permission. And so I always think about, like,

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Speaker 4: what if we, you know, saw more unity as an

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Speaker 4: antidote to this violent landscape that we live in. But

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Speaker 4: you know, Jerry Connolly, my colleague from Virginia staffers were

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Speaker 4: attacked last week. I worry a lot about family and

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Speaker 4: staff because they sit on what I call the X.

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Speaker 4: You know, they sit on the target there. They don't

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Speaker 4: move around like my colleagues and I and other elected

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Speaker 4: officials were just always on the move. That's the nature

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Speaker 4: of the job. But your family and your staff are

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Speaker 4: the ones who are just hitting ducks in the first

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Speaker 4: place that you know, someone who wants to carry out

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Speaker 4: these threats will go but here at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day because of the threats are also designed to

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Speaker 4: deter you from speaking up or deter you from participating

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Speaker 4: in democracy. And what I hope your listeners understand is

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Speaker 4: we are winning. We are beating these guys every single

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Speaker 4: time from eighteen to now, with the exception of just

573
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Speaker 4: narrowly losing the House, we have one or beat expectations.

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Speaker 4: We just won in Jacksonville, right, We just in a

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Speaker 4: Republican state, you know, we beat a MAGA candidate. We

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Speaker 4: just won in Wisconsin, you know, on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: So in on years off years, we're turning out. And

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Speaker 4: so what I hope we don't see is just an

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Speaker 4: exasperation or intimidation because you know, violent rhetoric is really

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Speaker 4: the only play that Magnation knows how to run. And

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Speaker 4: so they're also so they recognize how effective we are

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Speaker 4: at turnout now, right, So what are they attacking. They're

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Speaker 4: attacking early voting and young people voting. Right now, you're

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Speaker 4: starting to see this movement.

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Speaker 5: To increase the voting voting. Twenty six are voting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when they start to go there, that tells

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Speaker 4: me we're doing it right, and we just we have

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Speaker 4: to see this election. I think as our best chance

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Speaker 4: to really bury the MAGA movement. That we've got a

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Speaker 4: real shot because they're on a losing streak, and I

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Speaker 4: think if we don't give up, we can see this

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Speaker 4: extremism extinguished.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope. So if we survive this Republican created

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Speaker 1: dead ceiling debacle and we move into the summer, what

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Speaker 1: is this sort of thing that's keeping you up at night?

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Speaker 4: These guys, I think have to do three things over

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Speaker 4: the next two years. Republicans. They have to pay our

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Speaker 4: bills so that we all don't suffer. We have to

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Speaker 4: keep the government functioning and open this fall, and we

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Speaker 4: have to keep Ukraine in the fight. And I really

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Speaker 4: worry about the third because of Donald Trump's town hall

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Speaker 4: he said one he would not condemn Putin as a

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Speaker 4: war criminal, and he also said that he'll solve this

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Speaker 4: in twenty four hours when he's president. Well, if you're

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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin and you hear that, what you're thinking is, well,

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Speaker 4: I can stay in this fight for eighteen more months.

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Speaker 4: I can wait for Donald Trump to give me a

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Speaker 4: better deal than I'm going to get from Biden and NATO.

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Speaker 4: So I think when Donald Trump said that, we just

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Speaker 4: bought eighteen more months of carnage, you know, on the

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Speaker 4: battlefield in Ukraine. And by the way, eighteen more months

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Speaker 4: from a leader in Vladimir Putin who has run an

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Speaker 4: interference play before against America's democracy, and so you better

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Speaker 4: believe he has a preferred candidate. He has a candidate

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Speaker 4: who says, way till I'm president and I'll solve this.

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Speaker 4: He has a candidate who's receptive to Russian interference, and

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Speaker 4: so we better be ready for that and call it

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Speaker 4: out a hell of a lot faster than we did

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Speaker 4: when it happened in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Thank you so much, Eric Swallwell, my pleasure.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Molly.

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Speaker 1: Megan Hunt is a state senator from the great state

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Speaker 1: of Nebraska. Welcome to Fast Politics, Nebraska State Senator Megan Hunt.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Molly, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you. The thing we talk a

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about how you ended up

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Speaker 1: in the state senate in Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 6: Well, I feel like I never meant for any of

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Speaker 6: this to happen. So like that's going to be the

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Speaker 6: title of my memoir. I don't know how I got here,

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Speaker 6: but you know, my background is really in entrepreneurship and activism.

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Speaker 6: I've been a business owner in my district for about

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Speaker 6: twenty years. I ran a little clothing store like a

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Speaker 6: boutique for about ten years, and right now I own

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Speaker 6: a stationery store, and that's just like my background, and

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm just a mom in the neighborhood. And

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00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 6: in twenty fifteen, I got really activated with a group

651
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Speaker 6: of people who who wanted to update our sex education

652
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Speaker 6: curriculum in our public schools. At the time, our county

653
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 6: had some of the highest rates of STDs and STIs

654
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Speaker 6: in the entire country, and our sex education curriculum hadn't

655
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 6: been updated since nineteen seventy one. So since then, we've

656
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 6: had the Internet and the AIDS epidemic and an increasingly

657
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 6: out LGBTQ population and all the mental health challenges that

658
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 6: go with that community. And we just knew that in

659
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 6: order to fix this stuff, we had to make sure

660
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Speaker 6: that kids were getting age appropriate, medically accurate, research based education.

661
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Speaker 6: And long story short, we did it. And it was

662
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Speaker 6: in a red state, in a red community, against a

663
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 6: lot of odds, and it was really really hard, and

664
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Speaker 6: I kind of got bitten by the policy bug, Like

665
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 6: I organized so many people to get that done, and

666
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 6: I started to realize that people were seeing me maybe

667
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 6: as a political leader, not just as a business leader.

668
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Speaker 6: So I was like, well, I feel responsible, I feel

669
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Speaker 6: like I have to try this. And in twenty eighteen

670
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Speaker 6: I was elected by a landslide. I just got re

671
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 6: elected by a landslide, and now I'm just here trying

672
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Speaker 6: to do something.

673
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Speaker 1: That explain to me what your district is like, and

674
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Speaker 1: what it looks like, and what the problems of your

675
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: district are.

676
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 6: Sure, my district is very diverse. It's one of the

677
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 6: most densely populated parts of the state. In midtown Omaha,

678
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 6: which is sort of our population center here in Nebraska.

679
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Speaker 2: It's very progressive.

680
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 6: It has a lot of college students, it has a

681
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 6: lot of families, We have a lot of neighborhoods.

682
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Speaker 2: We also have two kind of prominent business districts.

683
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Speaker 6: So if you want to in Olaha, if you want

684
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 6: to go out for a drink, or go to a

685
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 6: theater or go to a good restaurant, you're probably coming

686
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 6: to my district. So it's that part of the town

687
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 6: and the issues that matter most of my constituents. The

688
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 6: top three things are access to healthcare. You know, we

689
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 6: just recently finally expanded Medicaid, which is hard to do

690
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 6: it red state, and we got that done. Support for

691
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 6: public education, whether that's our universities or our K twelve schools.

692
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 6: And then the third thing that people really care about

693
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 6: is decreasing the partisanship that we have rising in our

694
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 6: state and local politics. That's one of the top things

695
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 6: people talk to me about at the doors when I

696
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 6: campaign is, you know what they don't really relate to

697
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 6: or respond to the hyperpartisan rhetoric that we hear coming

698
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 6: from federal politics and in state and local politics where

699
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 6: you can like actually know the people.

700
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Speaker 2: Who you're voting for.

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Speaker 6: You know, these are our friends, our neighbors, our community members,

702
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 6: and we have seen a lot of that partisan division

703
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 6: infecting our state and local politics for the first time

704
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Speaker 6: in Nebraska. I know that in a lot of states

705
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 6: like Texas and Florida and Missouri and Arkansas, like it's

706
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 6: just it's always been this way, like it's always been hyperpartisan,

707
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 6: it's always been winner take all. But in Nebraska, we

708
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 6: have a really strong tradition of libertarianism and non artisanship

709
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 6: and kind of these you know, hardworking Midwestern values are

710
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 6: not just conservative values. But all of that has really

711
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 6: changed a lot in the last eight or ten years

712
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 6: just because of you know, billionaires putting their money into

713
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 6: our political system to help themselves.

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Speaker 1: And how has it changed, Megan, Well, I.

715
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Speaker 6: Think that we have fewer people who are running for

716
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 6: office who are motivated by a real problem. You know,

717
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Speaker 6: I never wanted to run for office. I never saw

718
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 6: this being in my future. Like I said, like ten

719
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 6: years ago, I started caring a lot about sex education

720
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 6: in public schools, and then that just led me down

721
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Speaker 6: this rabbit hole of like, Okay, now I'm a state senator,

722
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 6: but it was that issue that motivated me to start

723
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Speaker 6: working on these things that led me into the political arena.

724
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Speaker 6: For most of my colleagues, and I say most, like

725
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 6: more than fifty percent, they are not issue motivated. They

726
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 6: are not motivated by experience. They are motivated because somebody

727
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 6: wealthy came to them and said, if you run in

728
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 6: this district, I will give you a blank check and

729
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 6: make sure that you win. And then these people get elected.

730
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Speaker 6: They don't have any passion for this job. They don't

731
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Speaker 6: know what they're voting for. They don't have any motivation

732
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Speaker 6: to do this work other than they were installed here

733
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Speaker 6: by somebody who made it work their time. And that's

734
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 6: you know, citizens and people should know that that's what's

735
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Speaker 6: happening in politics, and it's a mess.

736
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Speaker 2: It's terrible.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because as you're saying this, I'm thinking about

738
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Speaker 1: this No labels trying to get the Democratic senator Mansion

739
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Speaker 1: to run for president basically hope, you know, making him

740
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Speaker 1: a promise that he would again. This is supposition. We

741
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: don't know that this is for sure too, but I

742
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Speaker 1: want to ask you, so you're seeing this sort of

743
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Speaker 1: turfed legislators coming in, yes, completely, and they're not so

744
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Speaker 1: committed to their own values. They're largely committed to the

745
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Speaker 1: values of the sort of Koch brothers or the types

746
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Speaker 1: of billionaire donors.

747
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Speaker 6: Yeah. I hate to sound like Adbusters, like this leftist freak,

748
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 6: but it's like, yeah, it's just the literal ruling class.

749
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 6: They have figured out that they can install who ends

750
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: up running things, and that gives them all the influence

751
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 6: that they could ever want. We also have this thing

752
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 6: in Nebraska, and I know this is like very Nebraska,

753
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Speaker 6: Like I don't want this to be boring to other listeners,

754
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 6: but no, I.

755
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Speaker 1: Think it's not boring. I think we're really interested.

756
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Speaker 6: In what well we have this other new problem where

757
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 6: in the legislature if somebody resigns or dies or leaves

758
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 6: office somehow, we don't have a special election.

759
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Speaker 2: They aren't appointed by the city council or anything like that.

760
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Speaker 2: They're appointed by the governor.

761
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Speaker 6: And so we've had a succession of billionaire governors, billionaire

762
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Speaker 6: conservative Republican governors like Pete Rickett's, and he sets up

763
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Speaker 6: senators with a plush job so that they retire early,

764
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Speaker 6: and then he gets to their replacement, and then that

765
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Speaker 6: person he picks gets an incumbency advantage for the next election.

766
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Speaker 6: And so another thing I think we need to do

767
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Speaker 6: here is put in place some special elections so that

768
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Speaker 6: you know, right now, nearly ten percent of our legislature

769
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 6: in Nebraska is populated by senators who were appointed who

770
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 6: were never elected, And I mean, what.

771
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Speaker 1: The fuck, right right right? That seems kind of nuts.

772
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Speaker 2: I don't think people know that in Nebraska. I think

773
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Speaker 2: we just have a durse of knowledge.

774
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Speaker 1: I want you to talk to us about if you

775
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: feel comfortable talking about what you've faced as a parent

776
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: in your state with their anti LGBTQ legislation.

777
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Speaker 2: This has been molly the most depressing session for me.

778
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Speaker 6: I mean, all the stuff I just told you about,

779
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 6: like the political process and stuff and how messed up

780
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 6: it is. That has always been true since I got elected.

781
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Speaker 6: But we still knew each other as colleagues, Like we

782
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 6: have the only nonpartisan legislature in the country, and we

783
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 6: also have the smallest legislature in the country with just

784
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 6: forty nine members, and so we really know each other.

785
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Speaker 6: Like I've been to these people's houses, They've come on

786
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 6: trips with me to conferences, They've babysat my kid. They

787
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 6: know me, they know that I'm not a bad parent,

788
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Speaker 6: and you know, yesterday at the signing ceremony for LB.

789
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Speaker 6: Five seventy four, which is the bill to ban healthcare

790
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Speaker 6: for trans kids, Governor Pillen said, he said something like

791
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 6: he can't think of anything that's more pro lucifer. He

792
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 6: used the word lucifer talking about these parents who are

793
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 6: trying to get gender herming care for their kids, saying

794
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Speaker 6: that they're basically in the grips of the devil. And

795
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 6: how can all of my colleagues who know me and

796
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 6: my son stand behind him when he signed this bill

797
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 6: and says these things like, I really think eight ten

798
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 6: years ago in Nebraska this would have been unthinkable. This

799
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 6: guy would have been lapped out of this state, and

800
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 6: now this is mainstream politics, and it's so depressing to me,

801
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 6: like to say nothing about how this affects my son,

802
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 6: how this affects me as a single parent, what this

803
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 6: sends to other parents in Nebraska, or you know, people

804
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Speaker 6: who love trans people at all or have them in

805
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 6: their lives.

806
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Speaker 2: Just the process has degraded. It sucks.

807
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Speaker 1: I have three teenagers, and I relate so much to this,

808
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: isn't it, Mark, I'm a teenager. It's so hard and.

809
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Speaker 7: They suffer so much. And you know, and I know

810
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Speaker 7: that if one of them had wanted.

811
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Speaker 1: Or needed gender firm and care, you know I would

812
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Speaker 1: not be you know, I would be in the same

813
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: position that you are. So when I listen to you

814
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Speaker 1: talk as a mom in a red state, I mean,

815
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: you know, you do what your kid needs for them,

816
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: and if that means you know that they feel they

817
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: were born into the wrong body, that's what you do.

818
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Speaker 1: And I just, you know, I so feel for you.

819
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Speaker 2: You just get them the care they need.

820
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Speaker 6: I mean, if your kid has a broken arm, if

821
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Speaker 6: they have a cough, if they have diabetes, if they

822
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Speaker 6: have any medical issue at all, if they're sad, like

823
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 6: you try to get the care they need, and raising

824
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 6: a teenager in the best of circumstances is very, very hard,

825
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 6: and so it is literally just trying to keep these

826
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Speaker 6: kids a lot.

827
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Speaker 7: You know, my eldest son had a kid in his class.

828
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Speaker 7: I mean, we have seen so much suicide in these

829
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Speaker 7: teenagers who we're living in this world where these teenagers are,

830
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Speaker 7: you know, so fragile and you just want to do

831
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Speaker 7: for them. And the fact that Republicans have decided that

832
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 7: these kids who are suffering so much are their enemy

833
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Speaker 7: is just beyond yes.

834
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Speaker 2: And it's completely reminiscent of what the queer community has

835
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Speaker 2: gone through forever.

836
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Speaker 6: But I mean, in the seventies and eighties and nineties,

837
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 6: we started to see more gay representation in the media,

838
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 6: started to see people being out in the community, and

839
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 6: that became more acceptable to people. It was like, you know,

840
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 6: maybe I don't understand being homosexual, but my aunt's friend

841
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 6: is a homosexual and I met her and she was

842
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 6: really nice, and you know, it's just the exposure. But

843
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 6: we don't really have that in the trans community. And

844
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Speaker 6: so they're doing the same tired old playbook that they

845
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 6: did with the gay community in the seventies and eighties.

846
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 6: To trans children in the trans community now, because they

847
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 6: are the ones who are most vulnerable. They don't have

848
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 6: the visibility, they don't have the lobby, they don't have

849
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Speaker 6: the political power protection.

850
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just such a fucked up thing.

851
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: So how are you going on where you live? How

852
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: are you surviving? Well?

853
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Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, I just try to really

854
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 6: step back and take a macro look at how the

855
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 6: world really is.

856
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean, life is short, the world is big.

857
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Speaker 6: The love that we have for each other they're in community,

858
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 6: and the support that we have for each other is

859
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 6: nothing is so much greater than any of my colleagues

860
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 6: could ever understand, and so much greater than anything any

861
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 6: law could do to us. And this is what we

862
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 6: have to remember. Like, you know, maybe my future is

863
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 6: not going to be in Nebraska. I don't know, maybe

864
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 6: my future is not going to be in this country.

865
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Speaker 6: If these laws keep getting more discriminatory. Maybe at some

866
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 6: point I'll say, you know what, world, I did my

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Speaker 6: best for this place, and I have to prioritize the

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Speaker 6: health of my family now and move somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, But I just try not to lose.

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Speaker 6: Sight that the world is not as mean and bad

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Speaker 6: as red state lawmakers make it seem. And the world

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Speaker 6: is not red states in the United States, like, right,

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Speaker 6: I know, when you're under persecution, when you're being targeted

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Speaker 6: by these lawmakers, that's your whole world. I understand how

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Speaker 6: it is to be oppressed in margined and that does

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Speaker 6: become your whole world. And I feel that way a

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Speaker 6: lot too, But I just try to remember to pan

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Speaker 6: out and remember that this is a temporary.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I'm struck by is that these

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Speaker 1: are not red states, right. These are red states with

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Speaker 1: enormous blue cities of people who cannot afford to move

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Speaker 1: their whole lives, right, I mean, and it's not fair

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Speaker 1: to ask them to because they are as much citizens

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Speaker 1: of the state as anyone tell me about what is

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Speaker 1: happening in your state, what we're seeing more and more,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I interviewed someone today who was talking

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Speaker 1: about this is that none of this is popular, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like most people who don't watch

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Speaker 1: Fox News do not give a shit about what gender

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Speaker 1: people want to be. They don't care. This is not effective,

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Speaker 1: you know, It's effective in a very small group of

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Speaker 1: very angry people. So I'm curious to know. Do you

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Speaker 1: feel that there's a ground swell where you are? Do

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Speaker 1: you see a pushback? And I maybe you can relate

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Speaker 1: this to what happened with Row.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do, absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I mean what happened in Nebraska last week We passed

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Speaker 6: LB five seventy four, which is a band that it's

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Speaker 6: a bill that bans healthcare for trans kids, but then

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Speaker 6: they amended an abortion ban into it. And that is

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Speaker 6: all the uniqus that for Bodle, the autonomy is affecting

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Speaker 6: us all. It's not that abortion is just a women's issue.

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Speaker 6: It's not that trans rights is just a trans issue.

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Speaker 6: All of these things speak to each other in terms

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Speaker 6: of the autonomy and the control that we get to

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Speaker 6: have over our.

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Speaker 2: Own bodies and our own families.

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Speaker 1: And these are.

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Speaker 6: Extremely unpopular policies in Nebraska. We've been filibus during the

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Speaker 6: legislature for thirteen weeks just to make it hurt, just

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Speaker 6: to make our colleagues understand that when you come for

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Speaker 6: our rights, it's not going to be fun or easy

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Speaker 6: for you. Even if you win, it's going to hurt

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Speaker 6: so much and be so excruciating that you hate single

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Speaker 6: day or at work. And you know when they have

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Speaker 6: the votes to get their way, They're going to get

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Speaker 6: their way, but we are not letting them get away

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Speaker 6: with anything else.

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Speaker 2: And that Nebraskans don't like that.

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Speaker 6: I mean they see what's happening in thelature and they go, Okay, Conservatives,

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Speaker 6: we want tax cuts, and we want lower property taxes,

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Speaker 6: and we want a better football team. Like, can you

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Speaker 6: guys just you know, stop discriminating against people so we

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Speaker 6: can get back to work, right how most Nebraskans feel.

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Speaker 6: So I am eager for this upcoming election season. We

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Speaker 6: are ready to turn people out, We are ready to

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Speaker 6: recruit candidates, and we are ready to change this state

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Speaker 6: by just flipping a couple of seats to someone who's

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Speaker 6: fucking normal. Doesn't he have to be like liberal hero?

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Speaker 6: It's like, does someone's fucking Republican dad just want.

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Speaker 2: To commit here and say I don't hate gay people?

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Speaker 2: Like that's all.

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Speaker 1: I should laugh. That's normal normal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing is always when I talk

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Speaker 1: to these like never Trump conservatives and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys weren't that great, but like you'd be great now,

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Speaker 1: and I me and you know they're gay they're normal,

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Speaker 1: they're just whatever. They just don't hate people. Well, they

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Speaker 1: do hate people, but not quite the same way.

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Speaker 6: I remember when I thought Mitt Romney being president would

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Speaker 6: be like the worst thing to ever happen to this country,

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Speaker 6: and just like longing for those days.

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Speaker 1: I think about that, by the way, all the time

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Speaker 1: I think about like, I get into this, but I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you one last question. You are no

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Speaker 1: longer a Democrat, will you explain to us what you

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Speaker 1: did there and why you did it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so we have a So I left the Democratic

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Speaker 6: Party in I guess like mid April, so a little

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Speaker 6: over a month ago. And the reason is we have

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Speaker 6: attracted a lot of national attention in Nebraska for the

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Speaker 6: way we have been fighting against these anti family, anti woman,

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Speaker 6: anti gay, bigoted bills that Republicans have introduced, and Democrats

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Speaker 6: on the national level started fundraising off of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I should laugh because it's so fucked up,

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Speaker 1: but it is very fucked up.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you why it's fucked up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, the National Democratic Party

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Speaker 6: has never invested a penny in Democratic candidate in Nebraska legislature.

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Speaker 2: Because they write us off.

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Speaker 1: They don't think they can win.

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Speaker 6: That's not an exaggeration. We've gotten zero dollars and zero

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Speaker 6: cents from national Now we're their favorite.

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Speaker 2: Now they think the last.

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Speaker 6: And for that matter, I also don't like going on

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Speaker 6: MSNBC or whatever like now they all want to have

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Speaker 6: us on and then they're like, oh, this Democratic angel

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Speaker 6: is taking out the Republican trash, and it's like, don't

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Speaker 6: use my name for this binary like their good, we're

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Speaker 6: bad type of rhetoric. Because in Nebraska we have a

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Speaker 6: nonpartisan and I'm very proud of that and I'm very

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Speaker 6: protective of that tradition. Now, if I lived in California

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Speaker 6: or New York, or Illinois, or Iowa or South Dakota

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Speaker 6: anywhere else, it would not be productive to my goals

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Speaker 6: to leave the Democratic Party. Right because of the situation

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Speaker 6: we have in Nebraska, I can be a progressive independent

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Speaker 6: and achieve more than I could if I was tied

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Speaker 6: to a party.

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Speaker 3: So that is my goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck yeah, man, that's what we're doing here. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. I am just in awe of

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Speaker 1: your courage and also more importantly, you're doing the real

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Speaker 1: work out there in the red states and like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that I am. I

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Speaker 1: really respect you, Mollie.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: I think you're so cool and I'm so excited we

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Speaker 6: got to talk. I've been puting on Twitter for years

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Speaker 6: and years.

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Speaker 1: No moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly dunk Fast. We've long known

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Speaker 1: and heard that this Rond De Santis fellow would be

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Speaker 1: running against Trump, but it seems like it's about to

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Speaker 1: come tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know what I love about this is

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Speaker 7: that it is so online. It's like I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: It's like this presidential GOP primary is going to completely

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Speaker 1: exist on Twitter. Elon Musk perhaps you know him not

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Speaker 1: from being just a centrist, except he's like a full

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Speaker 1: on fascist. But whatever, that guy he has been a big,

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Speaker 1: big Ron De Santis fan because Ron DeSantis does trump

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Speaker 1: Ism without the flair. And now he is going to

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Speaker 1: help Ron DeSantis, or as we like to call him,

1004
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Speaker 1: Florida's favorite fascist, announce his presidential run. But let me

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Speaker 1: just say this one thing. In a normal world where

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Speaker 1: America was sliding into fascism, Donald Trump would say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy's a much better hope for bringing fascism to

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Speaker 1: America I will go and stay in pomp Beach and

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Speaker 1: play golf. But this is not a normal world. This

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Speaker 1: is Trump world, and so expect the stupidest presidential primary,

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Speaker 1: as stupid as you imagine it to be, this will

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Speaker 1: be ten million times stupider. Okay, the pudding Finger story,

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Speaker 1: this is just the beginning of the stupid. The stupid

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Speaker 1: you will absorb and be subjected to will be so

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Speaker 1: stupid that we will need we'll need to read so

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Speaker 1: many books to recover even a single brain cell. And

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Speaker 1: for that, Ron DeSantis and Elon Musk fighting on Twitter

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Speaker 1: with Eric and Junior is our moment of fuckery. That's

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Speaker 1: it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds in politics

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Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what

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Speaker 1: you've heard, please send it to a friend and keep

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Speaker 1: the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.