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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and a new gallup. Hoole says that

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Speaker 1: just sixteen percent of Americans think that the economy is excellent.

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Speaker 1: The Lincoln Projects own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss

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Speaker 1: the Iran Nuclear Deal, Part two, and then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Pod Save the World's Ben Rhodes about his new book,

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Speaker 1: Always Say the Battle for American Identity.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Probably sixty one percent of Americans say they had to

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Speaker 3: cut back on groceries. And I get it because every

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Speaker 3: time I go to the grocery store, my grocery store,

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Speaker 3: the manager was standing outside apologizing to people the other day.

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Speaker 1: Groceries are very expensive. This started during COVID, like when

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Speaker 1: like three hundred dollars of groceries would then be four

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was like amazing to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would do like the Week of Groceries

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Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fuck is this?

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Speaker 2: But here's what I would say. Things are real expensive.

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Speaker 2: And part of that is because of all of the

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Speaker 2: many inflationary things that Donald Trump did, like tariffs like

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Speaker 2: making things more expensive, like the straits of Hermose. So

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Speaker 2: you have gas and fertilizer, and even if there's fertilizer

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Speaker 2: anxious and making things more expensive, and so everything is

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Speaker 2: getting even more expensive. And Americans are also again their

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Speaker 2: income is not keeping up with the inflation. And so

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Speaker 2: there's this other thing which if you live in New

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Speaker 2: York City you don't necessarily have, but gas prices. So

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Speaker 2: you have gas prices above four and a half dollars

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Speaker 2: a down, which is humongous. And that was from you know,

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Speaker 2: what was in the threes, and now it's in the

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Speaker 2: high fours in some places like California.

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Speaker 3: My corner it's in the fives, right.

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Speaker 1: Fives, And in California it's in the sixes. And diesel

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Speaker 1: and so everything is just really expensive, and so people

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Speaker 1: are having to make choices, and they're not you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not choices about how many vacations to take. There

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Speaker 1: are choices about how many meals to have, and that

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Speaker 1: is really not where we want to be as a country,

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Speaker 1: especially a country that is a very rich country that

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Speaker 1: the world, and you have people trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: whether they you know, whether they're going to have two

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Speaker 1: meals or three today, and so that is super scary.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it took a lot of stupid to

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Speaker 1: get to a place where we're starting to see the

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Speaker 1: beginnings of you know what looks like real crisis for

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Speaker 1: the American people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of the things buried in this is

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Speaker 3: like the average date night now costs two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty two dollars, which is eighty dollars more expensive than

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Speaker 3: it was.

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Speaker 2: That's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's absolutely insane. This is always nice when

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Speaker 3: there's headlines right next to it, say record break and

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and sixty thousand fireworks plan for DC because

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Speaker 3: Aal Trump's caring about his partying, right, and.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is spending your tax dollars on redoing the

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Speaker 1: fountain and redoing the ballroom and redoing you know. And meanwhile, usaid,

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Speaker 1: which Elon Musk cut would have led us known, would

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Speaker 1: have been one of the first things to cue us

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Speaker 1: into what was happening with the Bola and because it

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Speaker 1: was so decimated by the richest man in the world,

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Speaker 1: by the way USAID, which is one of those aid

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Speaker 1: organizations where you give very little and get very much

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Speaker 1: in the way of soft power. And also because it's

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Speaker 1: not so expensive to do AID in Africa. It's certainly

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Speaker 1: not as expensive as redoing the East Wing. That money

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Speaker 1: is gone, those systems of checks and balances when it

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Speaker 1: comes to a Bola are gone. And now Ebola is

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Speaker 1: really waging into something in Africa, and maybe it doesn't

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Speaker 1: get to us, but it's going to decimate parts of Africa,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to have a lot of second order effects.

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Speaker 2: And none of it had to happen.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have seen a bowla before and we

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Speaker 1: have been able to quelch outbreaks, and we've been able

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Speaker 1: are less safe and less healthy because the richest man

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Speaker 3: So Mike, the girls are fighting. So Todd Blange went

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Speaker 3: to talk to the Senate and things did not go

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Speaker 3: well because this slush fund is making everyone look like robbers.

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Speaker 1: So this seventeen seventy eight billion dollar anti weaponization slush

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing about Todd Blanch.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is one of these moments, these phenomenons

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Speaker 1: to Trump, like Tulci Gabbert who got fired this weekend

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Speaker 1: was another one, you know.

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Speaker 2: So she wanted to suck up Trump, so she went

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Speaker 2: Where did she go?

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Speaker 1: She went to Georgia to try to get election ballots

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Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty election. Why did she do that?

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Speaker 1: Because she thought it would make Trump love her. That's

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Speaker 1: what Todd Blanche is doing here.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: They knew that Trump couldn't sue the government for ten

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Speaker 1: billion dollars, so Lance's like, how about a slush fund

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Speaker 1: for we can cut checks for the paramilitary. And here's

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Speaker 1: what is the joke of this is that this is

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Speaker 1: so unpopular that my man Ted Cruz is like, you

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Speaker 1: can't do this, Okay. Ted Cruz then immediately, because he's

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Speaker 1: a podcaster first and a senator second, got on his

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Speaker 1: podcast and described it as one of his roughest meetings.

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Speaker 1: He said, fiery does not begin to cut it. Of course,

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Speaker 1: remember this is Ted Cruz. He's trying to make himself

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Speaker 1: look good and also promote his podcast Verdict with Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 2: But here's what he said.

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Speaker 1: My guess is there's probably forty five centers in the room,

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Speaker 1: and at least half of them were blasting the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: and they were pissed.

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if he's saying that there are forty five centators

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Speaker 1: slush fund, that means that these people again, remember, none

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Speaker 1: of these people are more all beings, right. They are

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Speaker 1: not doing this job because they care for people. They

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Speaker 1: So these people have made a calculus that this slush

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Speaker 1: fund is bad for their reelections, and so they are

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Speaker 1: going to come out against it. And that means that

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Speaker 1: a it must be pulling through the ground. There is

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Speaker 1: no world in which this is not like electoral poison

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Speaker 1: for them to all have gotten so upset about it

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Speaker 1: so quickly. So I think, and the fact that Ted

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Speaker 1: means that Ted Cruz knows this election poison and it's

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Speaker 1: make it look Remember, all these people are thinking about

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Speaker 1: what magapost Trump looks like, and Ted Cruz has made

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Speaker 1: the calculus that this is a wise bad Yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: That slush fund is supposed to be about weaponizing the

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Speaker 3: government and getting reparations for people who was apparently weaponized against,

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Speaker 3: which is hilarious since on the other hand, Trump is

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Speaker 3: weaponizeding the government and now that he has done it

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Speaker 3: against sand Piker and code Pink SPADEA Benjamin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to say one last thing about

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Speaker 1: this Senate situation. We got Ted saying if the administration

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Speaker 1: doesn't fix this, they've got a full on revolt in

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Speaker 1: the Senate. So they've gone from like absolute sign off

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Speaker 1: on anything to this. So Hassan is really famous, and

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Speaker 1: this administration's a little obsessed with him because he you know,

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Speaker 1: in a way that they you know, that speaks to them.

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Speaker 2: So he went to Havana and whatever.

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Speaker 1: Then of course Trump was like, it was so mad

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Speaker 1: that he went to Havana, that he's going to do

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Speaker 1: a federal inquiry into it. This is like the same

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Speaker 1: as arresting Don Lemon, you know what I mean. Like

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Speaker 1: this is the same thing of like trying to intimidate

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Speaker 1: people he feels have power or might make him look bad.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very McCarthy. This is all McCarthy stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: This is all red scared. This is all You're going

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Speaker 1: to get subpoenaed, You're going to get You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to hire a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: This is all that.

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Speaker 1: And you know it's going to go on until Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is no longer president, and then we are going

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Speaker 1: to have to have laws that prevent presidents from doing.

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Speaker 2: Shit like this.

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Speaker 3: The funniest thing is that Asado Media stayed in one

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Speaker 3: of the hotels that's approved by the State Department. And

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Speaker 3: you know who didn't, his little buddy Nick Shirley.

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Speaker 1: You know, anything they accuse the Left of doing, they're doing,

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Speaker 1: that's correct. Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Project and the host of the Lincoln Project podcast. Rick Wilson, Hello,

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Speaker 1: my friend, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I am prospering? Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So we're here to talk about Schrodinger's Iran nuclear deal,

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Speaker 1: which is.

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Speaker 4: Both could be off. You never can't tell.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is both off and on, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, it could be off and on, and then a

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Speaker 4: separate universe from ours.

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Speaker 1: So basically what happened was that Donald Trump did not

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Speaker 4: Father of the year right there.

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Speaker 1: I'll me tell you well, you know, the second wedding,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't go because he needed to negotiate this

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Speaker 1: piece that he was bringing, the greatest piece ever.

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Speaker 2: And as soon as he negotiated it, basically Ted Cruz

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Speaker 2: and various negotiated is I think a strong word. He

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Speaker 2: had a sort of memorandum right, yes, explained.

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Speaker 4: So there is a memorand of understanding with the Iranian

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Speaker 4: government right now that gives iron full control of the

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Speaker 4: Strait of Hormuz, gives a Ron one hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 4: of their currently seized and frozen assets back, agrees to

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Speaker 4: pay Iran two hundred and fifty some billion maybe to

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Speaker 4: fifty or two eighty in reparations, oh wow, pushes American

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Speaker 4: forces out of the golf essentially, and sixty to after

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Speaker 4: this agreement is signed, Iran in the US will sit

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Speaker 4: down and then negotiate a separate agreement maybe concerning Iran's

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Speaker 4: nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons program. This strikes me, Molly

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Speaker 4: as not great. This more like the proverbial shart of

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Speaker 4: the deal. This is not a smart play. And for

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Speaker 4: all that Trump desperately wants to get this war done with,

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Speaker 4: this is really dumb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is dumb.

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Speaker 4: At levels of dumb even for Donald Trump. People are like, whoa, dude,

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Speaker 4: that's not great. But they really are very desperate to

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Speaker 4: get this war over with. And you can't blame them

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Speaker 4: on the one hand, because they've really screwed up. The

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Speaker 4: consequences of this have been terrible for the US, particularly

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Speaker 4: our economy. And Trump doesn't care and doesn't understand why

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Speaker 4: Iran has got all the power here, but he wants

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Speaker 4: to get out of this thing. He he really needs

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Speaker 4: to get out of this thing. He's in a bear

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Speaker 2: And Ted Cruz comes out immediately against this.

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Speaker 4: Well, Ted Cruz and Rex Scott and Lindsay Graham and

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Speaker 4: the entire conservative apparatus of think tank guys and national

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Speaker 2: Tulse. Tulsi gets fired on a Friday.

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Speaker 2: What was Chelsea fied? What was the thing that did it?

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Speaker 2: Right, which for all approval, what's the president for that?

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Speaker 4: the state is completely bought out by the AI guys

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Speaker 4: now and so they want to Byron Donald's wants to

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Speaker 4: build four hundred and fifty data centers in Florida, and

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Speaker 4: he is the successor to Ron de Santis and people

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Speaker 4: hate it. They're so furious. They don't want data centers here.

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Speaker 4: They're furious. It's like we heard about this one deal

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Speaker 4: with data centers that you know, where they wanted to

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Speaker 4: come into a community. They want the community to pay

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Speaker 4: for the land, the bilding never have any taxes on

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Speaker 4: the building. There no property taxes ever, and take thirty

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Speaker 4: percent of the power from the county and have it preemptible,

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Speaker 4: so if there's a hurricane and everybody else has no power,

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Speaker 4: they still get power.

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Speaker 1: And fyi, they're going to take your water too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your war water. No.

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Speaker 2: No, And they're noisy and they police.

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Speaker 4: These people in DeSantis wild want to build four hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty of those things. They've destroyed public schools in

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Speaker 4: the state by giving billions of billions of dollars to

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Speaker 4: charter schools, which are now being bought by private equity

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Speaker 4: firms and people like Byron Donald's, who is in that business.

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Speaker 4: It's not a it's not a commitment, it's a business.

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Speaker 4: All these people out there in the in the in

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Speaker 4: the normy world are like, Okay, we're done. This is enough,

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Speaker 4: you know, And the culture war stuff isn't going to

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Speaker 4: suffice going forward to cover the political weaknesses that the

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Speaker 4: Republican Party here has. It's why you see polls where

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Speaker 4: David Jolly is competitive, It's why you see poles.

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Speaker 2: Where where that's where I was getting where.

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Speaker 4: Vinment is compared. And that is not something I would

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Speaker 4: have ever told you was even vaguely possible a couple

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Speaker 4: of years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, or even a couple of months ago. And you

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Speaker 1: do sound very woke when you talk about data. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm no fan of data centers, let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: but like you really do see why nobody wants them.

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Speaker 4: Here's a funny stat in Florida, in the in the

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Speaker 4: seven communities where where a polster went and tested this recently,

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Speaker 4: the number opposed to building any data centers at all

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Speaker 4: was eighty three percent. And you know what, it was

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Speaker 4: about eighty percent of Republicans and about eighty percent of Democrats,

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Speaker 4: and about eighty percent of independence It's.

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Speaker 1: Our eighty twenty issue is nobody wants them. I'm don't

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Speaker 1: touch it, so I just want to. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: run a quick fact check on you.

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Speaker 2: George W. Bush's lowest approval rating was twenty two percent,

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Speaker 2: recorded right before he left office. But that was after

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Speaker 2: the gol War. But by the way, I do also

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Speaker 2: think that.

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Speaker 4: Was during the worst part of the Gol four. That's

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Speaker 4: not the goal for that's the war on terror, the

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Speaker 4: worst part of the glat And it also was at

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Speaker 4: a time when gas prices had gone to three dollars

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Speaker 4: and fifteen cents a gallon, which was a lot back then. Yeah. Wow,

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Speaker 4: I want to see how this works out for the

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Speaker 4: Trump folks continuing to try to spend like gas will

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Speaker 4: be two dollars any minute now, Okay, cool, tell me

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Speaker 4: more about your active fantasy life.

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Speaker 2: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back, you know I will. Ben

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Speaker 1: Rhodes is a former Deputy National Security Advisor and the

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Speaker 1: host of Podsay the World and the author of Always Say,

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Speaker 1: A History of the United States and fifteen Speeches.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Ben Rhoads.

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Speaker 1: Goodness you I mean, someone who has done so much beetrading.

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Speaker 2: And I am in the middle of writing this.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing my first commencement speech, and so I'm watching

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Speaker 1: all these conventions beach, and I'm thinking about all of

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Speaker 1: the power speech writing and the power of bad speech writing,

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Speaker 1: because we are in the middle of this bizarre news

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Speaker 1: cycle where it's not bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Actually I think it makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: But we have a lot of people talking at commencement

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Speaker 1: about AI and then them getting categorically booed in an

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Speaker 1: amazing and hilarious why so, I assume you have things

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Speaker 1: to say on this topic.

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 5: In addition to being a speechwriter for brock Obaums for

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Speaker 5: ten years, I just finished this book Always Say.

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Speaker 6: Which tries to tell the story that.

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Speaker 5: Basically argument we've been having in this country.

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Speaker 6: Over turn of fift years, through fifteen speeches to deal

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Speaker 6: with the question at end.

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Speaker 5: Though part of what I thought about too big question

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Speaker 5: right one is what makes a greater consequential speech? And

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Speaker 5: then secondly why have we lost the capacity to have that.

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Speaker 6: In our politics?

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Speaker 5: And on the first one, I thought a lot about

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Speaker 5: this as I was curating this list of speech which

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Speaker 5: includes some very famous ones like lin in second in

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Speaker 5: augur but also I've got suffragettes and abolitionists and racist

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Speaker 5: you know, I wanted to to show the full argument.

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Speaker 5: I think there were three things that stood out to me.

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Speaker 5: One is a speech has to be authentic. You have

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Speaker 5: to be the only person who could deliver this speech

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Speaker 5: on Earth you know, it's not about a five point plan.

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Speaker 5: It's about you telling a story that emerges from your

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Speaker 5: entire life history and your identity. Why are you, Molly,

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Speaker 5: the one who can deliver this commencement speech.

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Speaker 6: To this audience? And it was.

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Speaker 5: Interesting writ in the book each chapter I can do

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Speaker 5: the whole life story of the person because that explains

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Speaker 5: where the words came from. Martin Luther King when he

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Speaker 5: did the I Dream speech was repurposing language that he

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Speaker 5: used in the Montgomery bus boycott or that he used

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Speaker 5: in front of his house after his bomb. You know,

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Speaker 5: so that that authenticity is essential. I think a second

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Speaker 5: thing that a great speech needs to do is, you know,

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Speaker 5: ideally it connects to some sense of a movement.

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Speaker 6: Right now, the simplest way is, yeah, you're King and

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Speaker 6: you're speaking is the rights movement.

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Speaker 5: But I think even you know, you situate yourself probably

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Speaker 5: within several different movements, right for certain kinds of rights

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Speaker 5: or for a certain kind of America. You want to

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Speaker 5: connect your story that you're telling the audience to something

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Speaker 5: that they might.

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Speaker 6: Feel a part of too.

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Speaker 5: And then the third thing, which is I think more complicated,

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Speaker 5: is you want to connect it to how people receive information.

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Speaker 5: You know, FDR is a great communicator because he understood

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Speaker 5: the radio prize kind of plan, spoken explanation. You know,

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Speaker 5: King and Kennedy understood television, the spectacle, the charisma of that.

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Speaker 5: And this leads me to kind of what's happened, because

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Speaker 5: part of what's happened is with technology and social media,

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Speaker 5: we don't listen to all arguments anymore. You know, we're

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Speaker 5: lucky if we get a thirty second clip from a speech.

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Speaker 5: What that prize is is information to triggers that makes

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Speaker 5: you angry or that it makes you reaffirmed in your

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Speaker 5: belief you know, when in fact, the best speeches they persuade,

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Speaker 5: they tell a story, they have an entire argument. And

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Speaker 5: I kind of realized that in the kind of post

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Speaker 5: Obama social media virality era, we don't have storytelling anymore.

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Speaker 5: And it's one of the things that I think democrats

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Speaker 5: need to take on board. All the social media videos

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Speaker 5: in the world, that's important, but we still kind of

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Speaker 5: need someone to step back and be like in AI

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Speaker 5: is good example of what the hell is going on here?

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Speaker 6: Where's this all going? You know?

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's right, And now we must talk

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Speaker 1: about the Iranian nuclear deal, because you must have a

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Speaker 1: particular frustration at this moment in American life, and I

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Speaker 1: love you to talk about why that is and your

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Speaker 1: relationship was this nuclear Iran problem.

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Speaker 5: There's only one thing in the world where I canmplain

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Speaker 5: to be completely unique in my grievance smaller, which is

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Speaker 5: I was central to the Iran nuclear agreement and to

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Speaker 5: the normalization voss of Cuba, and I not only got

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Speaker 5: to see this and dismantled, I may now see consecutive wars.

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Speaker 2: You are the only one.

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Speaker 6: I'm actually the only one.

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Speaker 5: They can say that. It's a very strange thing. It's

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Speaker 5: not a good thing, I guess. But the thing that

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Speaker 5: is most frustrating to me is I was responsible at

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Speaker 5: the time for kind of advocating for messaging for the

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Speaker 5: Iron Nucuid deal. How can we convince Congress to support

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Speaker 5: this deal? I can convinced the public. And part of

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Speaker 5: what was so frustrating to me is we made a

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Speaker 5: pretty simple ar deal. If you don't around a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 5: they are two options. You either make a diplomatic agreement

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Speaker 5: or you're gonna have to go to warsame and every said,

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Speaker 5: oh my god, you can't say that there's third options.

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Speaker 5: We can just sanction them forever, and we would say, well, no,

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Speaker 5: you have to trade the sanctions for something.

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Speaker 6: And so we made this deal.

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Speaker 5: They shipped their stockpile out of the country, they submitted

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Speaker 5: all these inspections, they pulled out all these centrifuges, all

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Speaker 5: these different things.

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Speaker 6: And there were just relentless bad faith attacks from the

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Speaker 6: Republicans about this.

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Speaker 5: Wise, you know, we're writing checks for billions of dollars

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Speaker 5: when all we were doing is allowing the run and

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Speaker 5: staccess their own money from spoiler.

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Speaker 2: Bullets of cash, right, palettes of cash.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to this day, Trump says that we emptied out

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Speaker 5: the banks and something that never happened.

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Speaker 6: I always wanted a reporter you just asked Trump what

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Speaker 6: are the terms of the nuclear deal?

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Speaker 5: Because I don't think he could even say what they were,

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Speaker 5: and so he pulls out of the deal.

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Speaker 6: Ins were you teen sure?

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Speaker 5: It puts us on a slippery slope to the war

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Speaker 5: that we're in. It's accomplished precisely nothing. And now the

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Speaker 5: best possible thing Trump could get out of this war,

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Speaker 5: which would still not make it worth it, is basically

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Speaker 5: the same deal that equaled up and there's an insanity

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Speaker 5: to that. And I think the thing that I feel

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Speaker 5: the most frustrated by Molly is that it was much

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Speaker 5: harder to sell the Iron Nupergial than it is to

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Speaker 5: sell a war in this country. Why is it harder

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Speaker 5: to get members of Congress to vote for a peace.

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Speaker 6: Deal than to go along with the war?

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Speaker 5: And I put both parties in that category, Eve, though

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Speaker 5: obviously Democrats are better. You know that's something that I

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Speaker 5: spent a lot of track reflecting.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And also do you even think he could get back

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Speaker 1: to the deal, because the Iranians seemed really emboldened, and

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Speaker 1: I think they've figured out that the two million dollars

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Speaker 1: toll for the stray passage could really work for them.

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Speaker 5: They are in a demonstrably stronger position today than they

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Speaker 5: were on the day.

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Speaker 6: That Trump attacked it.

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Speaker 5: Sure, they lost some ships and missile launch, but they

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Speaker 5: demonstrated that they can close the straight up Hord moves

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Speaker 5: through which twenty percent of the world's fossil fuel energy

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Speaker 5: flows and the old global economy depends on it, And

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Speaker 5: so they don't need to make concessions. They think they're

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Speaker 5: in a stronger position. They've taken our best punch. They're

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Speaker 5: still standing. If anything, their regime is more hardline than

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Speaker 5: was before, and so he'd be lucky to get just

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Speaker 5: the stockpile of having rich Terranian shipped out. Why would

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Speaker 5: they submit to really intrusive international inspections in their nuclear

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Speaker 5: program like they had under the Iran nuclear deal? Inder Obama, So,

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Speaker 5: I think you're right. I think the best he could

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Speaker 5: get is probably around nuclear deal lights, which is pretty extrame.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen him do this before where he gets

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Speaker 1: a less good version of the other thing in claims victory.

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Speaker 1: But there's this reporting that says that actually what the

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Speaker 1: ADMIN Has said isn't right, and that the Iranians have

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Speaker 1: a lot more military capability than the ADMIN is saying,

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Speaker 1: to the tune of like seventy percent. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: was last week's big I think it was in New

660
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Speaker 1: York Times story. Do you think that's right? And if so,

661
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Speaker 1: isn't that a major scandal?

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Speaker 5: Yes, they've been the Pentagon, Department of War whatever, recall,

663
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Speaker 5: it has been relentously either lying to us or obfuscating

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Speaker 5: the truth. And I've been worried about this since the

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Speaker 5: early days of the war. And I'll be specific Malli

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Speaker 5: about things I've heerved because I know a lot of

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Speaker 5: people either in the US kind of military or people

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Speaker 5: that live in the Middle East. They have not been

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Speaker 5: straight with us about the extent of the damage that

670
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Speaker 5: was done to US bases and facilities across the Middle East.

671
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Speaker 5: We hear nothing about that from them.

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Speaker 6: We pay for that.

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Speaker 5: It's not like they're allowed to not tell us. I

674
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Speaker 5: think that their Rudians were very successful in striking a

675
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Speaker 5: significant number of US facilities in the Gulf. In Iraq,

676
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Speaker 5: you know, we had an embassy on fire, and sati

677
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Speaker 5: Arabia we had embassy attacked in Baghdad. They're not telling

678
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Speaker 5: us the truth.

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Speaker 6: We don't know the.

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Speaker 5: Severity of the injuries that were sustained by US personnel,

681
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Speaker 5: either service members or intelligence personnel. We don't really know

682
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Speaker 5: the cost of the not just the war, but all

683
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Speaker 5: the stuff that we've used. And we saw these absurd

684
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Speaker 5: declarations by Pete Hegsett and Marco Rubio that you know,

685
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 5: the Ringing entire navy was destroyed.

686
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 6: Well, the entire Raning Navy's destroyed.

687
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Speaker 5: How are they shutting down the straightfour moods or then

688
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 5: we decimated their bliss of missiles? Well, now we hear

689
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 5: that seventy five percent of their missile launchers the missiles

690
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 5: remain and they frankly can just keep manufacturing to be

691
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: able to go beyond Pete hegset. I'm really disappointed in

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Speaker 5: Dan Kine, the chairman of the June Chief's stat who's

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Speaker 5: supposed to be a nonpartisan military officer, who I stands

694
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 5: there and goes along with this bullshit. You know, they're

695
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 5: not telling us the truth, and we are the taxpayers

696
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 5: that pay for all of this stuff. And I'd like

697
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 5: to see Congress, you know, be much more aggressive and

698
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 5: trying to get answers. I don't expect Republicans to do it,

699
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 5: but I think Democrats need to be doing more.

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Speaker 2: We just had Representative Crow on the podcast and he.

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Speaker 1: Was saying that he also has to basically double check

702
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Speaker 1: what this administration is saying. Explain to us what a

703
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Speaker 1: sea change that is, even from Trump one point.

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Speaker 5: Now it's a matthive CDJ did I should say, Jason

705
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 5: growth been one of the better Democrats on this on

706
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 5: the war, Trump lies right, and there's nothing surprised me

707
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: about that. I think in the first Trump administration you

708
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 5: could basically trust the information coming from the Pentagon, you know,

709
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Speaker 5: Jim Mattis, even Mark Esper, the second Secretary of Defense,

710
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Speaker 5: certainly General Millie, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. I

711
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 5: never thought they were lying to me, you know, to

712
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Speaker 5: some extent. That was also true of the parts of

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Speaker 5: the Justice Department. I mean, Bill Barr kind of lost

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Speaker 5: me with his treatment of the Malor report.

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Speaker 6: But the parts of the government.

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Speaker 5: That were supposed to be the most apolitical, and that's

717
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Speaker 5: the military and the justice system generally.

718
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Speaker 6: Were certainly the military.

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Speaker 5: I think in Trump too, what you've seen him do

720
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Speaker 5: is really intentionally. You know, you've talked a lot of

721
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 5: opposite at the weaponization and DJ but I don't trust

722
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Speaker 5: the fucking word that comes out of Cash Betelsman out

723
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Speaker 5: their hand, Bondi or Todd Blanche right. And tragically that's

724
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Speaker 5: also true of the Pentagon. You know, Pete Hegseat is

725
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 5: just giving a performance for an audience of one in

726
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 5: this briefings, and you literally can't believe anything he says.

727
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Speaker 5: You know, we saw them try to deny or at

728
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Speaker 5: least avoid whether or not they bombed a girls' school

729
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Speaker 5: and killed well over one hundred school girls.

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Speaker 6: I mean that again with our taxpayer funded missiles.

731
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Speaker 5: And I have to say again, like the uniform military

732
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Speaker 5: is the last guardrail. And I don't think Dan King,

733
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Speaker 5: to my knowledge, is live. But I also don't think

734
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 5: he's necessarily told the truth. You see this, you know,

735
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Speaker 5: relentless spinning of all the destruction rod and how wonderful

736
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 5: the operation was. That is not what you hear from

737
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: people who are living in the golf since you know,

738
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: the damage again is much worse than we've been told

739
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 5: in terms of the tax on US allies and use

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Speaker 5: facilities and the efficacy of the military operation. This is

741
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 5: not to impune our pilots or service members. They were

742
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 5: given ridiculous mission to carry out. The need to assert

743
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 5: some accomplishment leads to this absurd paloguing of things blown

744
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 5: up that has nothing to do with accomplishing an actual

745
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 5: military eject and the actual military objective is when Trump

746
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 5: announced the war, we're clearly the regime change, a regime change, and.

747
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Speaker 6: The destruction of the new crypt program. Neither of those

748
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Speaker 6: things have remotely happened.

749
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Speaker 5: And so then they fell back on like you know,

750
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Speaker 5: we blew up these ships and these mythiles. But like

751
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Speaker 5: that's does any American care about that. Is any American

752
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Speaker 5: really like worried more about the state of the Iranian

753
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 5: Navy than how much the price of gas is? No,

754
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Speaker 5: And so I think we have to be very mindful

755
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Speaker 5: that it's going to get worse. Center Trump and the

756
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: military and the Justice Department are.

757
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Speaker 6: Going to be pretty important institutions.

758
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Speaker 5: He tries to still an election or deploy the military

759
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Speaker 5: in the streets, and I wish I could trust them

760
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Speaker 5: more than I do right now.

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Speaker 2: Cuba is like this amazing story and there was like

762
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Speaker 2: this incredible reporting this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I think it was this weekend. Who knows, because there's

764
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Speaker 1: no time. It's just we're just a flat circle. But

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Speaker 1: we had the head of the CIA, right, didn't we

766
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Speaker 1: have go to Cuba? That strikes me as very outside

767
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Speaker 1: of the norms. So why did this happen? My guess

768
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Speaker 1: is that it's because he is more competent than a

769
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Speaker 1: lot of members in this administration. But I don't know,

770
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Speaker 1: because I've never seen anything like that, So can you

771
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Speaker 1: explain to us? It seems unprecedented and just what is

772
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Speaker 1: happening there?

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Speaker 5: My assumption, and I don't know, is that the director

774
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Speaker 5: of the CI was sent down there to like deliver

775
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Speaker 5: some message, you know, from Trump not to negotiate per se.

776
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Speaker 6: That'd be pretty odd, ci director.

777
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Speaker 2: But isn't that in itself just completely it's.

778
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Speaker 6: All it's bonkers knowledge. And here's where I say about Cuba.

779
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Speaker 6: With Iran, I.

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Speaker 5: Think this war is completely insane. There are national security concerns,

781
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Speaker 5: you know, with Iran, like you would like them to

782
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 5: not have a nuclear program, You would like to curb

783
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Speaker 5: their support for Paris proxes. Even if you dislike the

784
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: Cuban government and think they're repressive, they posed absolutely no

785
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Speaker 5: threat to the United States. And so part of what's

786
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 5: so bizarre about this whole drama is and I talked

787
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Speaker 5: to Cubans like, I think they don't even know what

788
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: they're being asked, because you know, you could go to

789
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Speaker 5: Iran and be like, you know, give up your nucleip

790
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Speaker 5: program and.

791
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Speaker 6: They say no.

792
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Speaker 5: With Cuba, it's not like they're doing something that threatens

793
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Speaker 5: America that they can adjust their behavior.

794
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Speaker 6: So what is this all about? Now, there's a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of Republican Miami Cuban exile politics.

796
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Speaker 6: That's just long thought.

797
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Speaker 5: I mean, when I negotiate normalization and relations, I went

798
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Speaker 5: to Cuba a lot I went to Miami Law and

799
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Speaker 5: there's some people in Miami that's sincerely coned or concerned

800
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Speaker 5: about the human.

801
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Speaker 6: Rights situation in Cuba.

802
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Speaker 5: There are some people at Miami who just believe that

803
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 5: it used to be ours and we want it back.

804
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Speaker 5: And there's a lot of beachrunt property. There's a lot

805
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Speaker 5: of real estate down there. The Trump organization was scouting

806
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 5: golf and hotel properties as late as twenty sixteen down there.

807
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 5: And so if Venezuela had oil, cubas real estate. And

808
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: I think that Trump wants probably two things. He wants

809
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 5: another scalp like Maduro, Like he wants to show that

810
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 5: he's the big, bad bully you can hit who runs

811
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 5: countries in the Western Hemisphere, which is disgusting I think.

812
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 5: And secondly, he wants to apportion the land to his

813
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 5: buddies in my And meanwhile, this blockade that we have

814
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: on Cuba is starving kids to death, Like children are

815
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 5: dying in Cuba because of our blockade, and that should

816
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: that should concern more Americans than I think it does.

817
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Speaker 1: It seems totally inexplicable, like what the deliverable would be there,

818
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Speaker 1: even I mean, in my mind, I think the thinking

819
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Speaker 1: is that. I mean, we would conquer Cuba.

820
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Speaker 5: I think that one way to think about it is

821
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Speaker 5: I've seen this with a lot of you know, autocrats

822
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 5: or history.

823
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Speaker 6: Why do you do it? You do it because you can't.

824
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: You know, It's like the bully in the school yard

825
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 5: to find some small kid to beat up because it

826
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 5: makes them feel good. I mean, I honestly think that's

827
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Speaker 5: a big part of this because and Marco Rubio, you know,

828
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 5: comes out of these hardline South Florida politics.

829
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Speaker 6: It's very anti keeping government.

830
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 5: But again, like look in then Cole War, when the

831
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Speaker 5: Soviets were putting you know, nuclear missiles in Cuba. Well

832
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 5: that was what's a real proble right now, this is

833
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 5: an impovert island that's been sanctioned for seven years by

834
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Speaker 5: the United States, ninety miles of Florida.

835
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 6: Like that CAUs there's no threat.

836
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Speaker 4: What's over.

837
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Speaker 5: And I do think it's just this combination of you know,

838
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Speaker 5: Trump is going through the list of countries that Republicans hate,

839
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: you know, Venezuela, Cuba around and he also just likes imperials,

840
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 5: He likes feeling. I mean, he didn't lie to us

841
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 5: one thing in his inauguration speech at this time around me,

842
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 5: which actually ends my book, so I know very well.

843
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Speaker 6: He talks about like expanding our character. He talks about

844
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 6: William McKinley. Well, who is William McKinley.

845
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 5: Well, he was the president they really launched American imperialists

846
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: at the turn of the twentieth century. You know, he's

847
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 5: the guy that like, you know, set in motion when

848
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 5: we took Cuba the first time. I think Trump wants

849
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 5: to be an emperor, and he sees Greenland, Canada, Panama, Canal, Cuba, Venezuela.

850
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 6: This should be ours. It's in the western hemisphere, and

851
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Speaker 6: if we can.

852
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 5: First best is that we can literally draw the map arounds.

853
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: And second best is I get to pick their leaders,

854
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 5: and I don't like their leaders.

855
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Speaker 6: Maybe the you know.

856
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 5: Delta Force guy show up in the middle night and

857
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Speaker 5: render the president of Cuba, who nobody, by the way

858
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 5: in this country could probably even name ts Canal, render

859
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Speaker 5: him to the you know prison next to Medua.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Maduro still in prison. What even happens there?

861
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Speaker 5: Well, that trial will be interesting because you know, Maduro

862
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 5: was a very bad leader and a very repressive leader.

863
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that he was like running a drug trafficking.

864
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Speaker 5: You'll remember, maybe, Molly, that they they named some drug

865
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: trafficking cartel that didn't exist, you know, they were when

866
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Speaker 5: they were building this case against Vidua. So there's still

867
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Speaker 5: a justice system. It's not a program. We shouldn't be

868
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Speaker 5: that Vandurea will be convicted.

869
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

870
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Speaker 6: If he was being.

871
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Speaker 5: Tried for being a repressive leader who detained people and

872
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Speaker 5: even tortured people in Venezuela, that'd be one thing. But

873
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Speaker 5: drug trafficking, I mean, you know you.

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Speaker 2: Should prove it, right, prove it? Yeah, yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Ben Rhodes, thanks, Polly, could talk you?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: No, Rick Wilson, Hey, Molly, what's your moment of reckery?

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Speaker 4: I think Pete Headseth that managed to go to West

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Speaker 4: Point and uh and step on his junk this weekend.

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Speaker 2: West Point is like a layup for those guys, right, It.

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Speaker 4: Should be the easiest thing in the world to go

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Speaker 4: to West Point and give a good speech and have

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Speaker 4: everybody gave ooh rah and walk out the door. Really

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Speaker 4: it should be.

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Speaker 2: And what happened, well, Pete.

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Speaker 4: Hegseth went out and started blustering about you can't throw

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Speaker 4: your pronouns out the enemy and the audience at West

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Speaker 4: Point for the Secretary of Defense is like the weakest

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Speaker 4: golf collapse in the world. It's embarrassing. He also got

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Speaker 4: a self in a ringer with Trump who is mad

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Speaker 4: about the troop withdrawals from Poland. And again, I don't

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Speaker 4: know when Trump is going to figure it out. But

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Speaker 4: there is one guy at the Pentagon, one guy, one

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Speaker 4: guy at the Pentagon named Elbridge Colby. Oh yeah, who

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Speaker 4: is the Defense the secretary for policy. And Colby is

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Speaker 4: the guy who will not send the aid to Ukraine?

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Speaker 6: Who will not?

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Speaker 4: Who will not? He's running his own defense department.

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Speaker 2: Right and it's which you can do in that administration.

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't, but apparently they're going to do it well.

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Speaker 1: Also, Trump is so checked out on some level that

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Speaker 1: you can you know, there are people in this administration,

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Speaker 1: like Steven Miller who are running their own fiftoms.

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Speaker 2: That's where we are, Rick Willson, bag you, Thank.

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Speaker 4: You, see you next time.

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