WEBVTT - Snow Leopard Overview 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.920 It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:17.760 tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.040 and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:21.760 and I am the tech editor here at how stuff 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.480 works dot com. Sitting across from me as usual as 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:29.200 senior writer Jonathan Strickland me al, oh, I know where 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.080 you're going with this right. Well, first, let's go with 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:37.280 a little listener mail. This listener mail comes to us 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.000 from Ian and Ian says, hey, I was wondering if 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.400 you could do a podcast about the new Mac operating 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.760 system Mac OS ten snow Leopard. Also, I was wondering 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.040 about the iPhone on Verizon. I read some places that 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.760 Verizon will carry the iPhone coming December two thousand nine, 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:53.720 but I'm not sure, but thanks and I love your 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.880 podcast so clearly you can tell already. Ian wrote us 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.279 some time ago this would be back in November of 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.960 two thousand nine. It is now two ten and the 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:07.240 iPhone is not on Verizon yet yet there's still rumors 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.119 about it. Um As of the recording of this podcast, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.600 no official announcement, but we all suspect that that's where 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.960 it's headed. Yeah. Actually, on the day they released the iPad, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.120 a lot of people have expected an announcement that Apple 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.520 would have finally decided to open the iPhone up to 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:29.440 a number of UH cell phone providers, but that hasn't happened. Yeah. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.600 Imagine that there's a big breast release for one thing 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.319 that Apple is doing, and people expect Apple to say 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.720 something else. Now, in this case, I'm actually defending Apple, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.960 and I'm saying, shame on you Apple fanboys. If Apple 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.759 is going to explain something to you and and unveil 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.000 something to you, don't just sit there and get upset 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.000 if it doesn't also tack on some other announcement that 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.360 you're eager to hear. Well, you see that happen over 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.520 and over. I criticize Apple a lot. I won't lie, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.400 but I feel for them when they them out and 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.000 do a press event and and if everyone's like, oh, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.520 you know, it was awesome that you unveiled that totally 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.960 new device that no one has ever seen before, but 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.720 what about this Verizon iPhone thing? Well, there's a that's 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.800 pretty much fans of every tech when they release something 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.239 they really want to see I think it's the discretion 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.480 of the income that makes the Apple ones even worse. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.360 I don't know. You can write me at tech stuffs 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.560 at how stuff works dot com, yeah, and they will. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.680 I know. Um, I own Apple products, so I know 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.000 about this. Yes, yes, and I admit that. You know, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.120 I'm like many eager to see what they're going to release, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.400 but you know, then there's no surprises if they do 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:39.839 it all on one day. So I kind of don't 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.880 mind so much if they because it's kind of like 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.679 spreading the holidays out throughout the year. But anyway, but 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.080 as far as snow Leopard goes, let's let's talk about 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.240 that because we haven't talked about it yet on the podcast, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.359 and uh, we thought we'd do a little bit of 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.720 an overview on the operating system. Now. I'm glad. I'm 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.320 glad that we actually waited to do this, and uh, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.800 you know and Windows seven you know, we're doing these together, um, 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.840 because it's it's kind of nice to see how consumers 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.000 have accepted, or in some cases not accepted, um. These 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.000 newer versions of the operating systems for their respective machines. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:16.960 Now also gives us a chance to play with them 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.040 a little bit so that you know, we actually can 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.239 talk about it. Right. A lot of times when people 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.919 write in, they don't they don't understand that most of 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.600 the most the new stuff you see in various blogs 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.760 and on the news and things, we don't get that 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.160 in advance. That's because we don't do We don't do 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.360 reviews it how stuff works. Traditionally we talk about the 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.920 technology underlying whatever it is that we're talking about, right, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.840 So we don't right right, Manufacturers don't necessarily want to 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.480 send us stuff because we're not going to be doing 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.120 a review. So therefore it doesn't make a lot of 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.800 sense on their end to send us advanced copies of things. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.560 We do occasionally get them anyway, which is great because 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.760 we get to test it out. You know. If if 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.160 we know that we don't have to return it, we 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.360 can even take it apart, which, by the way, taking 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.240 it apart pretty much means it's done. There's this is 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.240 like when when the two year old takes a part 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.440 of Watch to see how it works. That's kind of 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.080 how we are. Uh, there's no guaranteed that's going to 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:18.080 come back together ever again, Yes, that poor Plio still 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.520 can hear the screaming. Yeah. So in the case of 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.200 in the case of snow Leopard, UM, this is the 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:30.480 the latest version ten point six to come out of Apple. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.320 After this gates back to the early two thousand's UM. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.320 The Apple OS ten is UH the result of UM, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:43.080 the deal when Apple reacquired UM Steve Jobs, I mean, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:48.440 they acquired the Next Computer System UM, which was actually 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.479 heralded as a very high tech UH competitor back in 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.920 the ES. UM Steve Jobs started the company after leaving Apple, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.479 and UH, you know the machines that ran it, the 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.600 operating system known as Next Step, we're UM or really 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.200 kind of for tech heads because it ran on a 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.280 on a different kernel. It ran on on BSD, which 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.520 is what UM, which is what OS ten runs on, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.160 deep deep inside the operating system. I know, we took 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.360 it apart and can't get it back together again. UM. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.280 But so this is OS ten has been evolving and 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.880 this is the sixth formal version of it major formal 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.560 version of it. UM. It's actually been updated a couple 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.839 of times since last fall when it was released. UM. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.080 But unlike previous versions that we were talking about the 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.839 the Apple press conferences when everybody goes nuts about the 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.000 latest and greatest thing, UM snow Leopard. It's sort of 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.400 a different sort of operating system because the update was 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:51.120 released with no new features, sort of because everybody expects 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.200 the new you know, little programlet that they put in 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:57.240 there which allows you to do some great thing you know, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.240 or widgets or you know, some other thing. I want 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.359 to play with this gizmo that they've thrown into the 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.400 OS this time, UM. Which is good for marketing too, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.280 because you know, it helps them go, hey, well, you 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.000 know if you buy it this way, UM snow Leopard, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.240 which you know they've been using these cat names. The 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.360 one two times before it was Tiger, but the one 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.039 previous ten point five was leopard, so this is a 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.840 different kind of leopard. Snow was kind of an indication 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:27.920 that this was this was a refinement of the previous 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.200 version and not not like a huge jump ahead and 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.080 and that and that really was what it was. It's 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.480 a it's an incremental step ahead. UM. The big big 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.000 difference again, this is not exciting in a lot of ways, 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.000 you know, especially if you're looking for some flashy new 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.760 bell or whistle that you can show off to your friends. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.760 The biggest difference is now the kernel, which is a 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.840 very very basic part of the operating system, is a 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.320 sixty four bit kernel UM, which means that it takes 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.480 advantage of a lot more processing power than other previous 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.800 versions of the operating system UM. This is good because 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.960 they're incrementally moving up bit by bit sorry for the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:11.000 pun UM to be able to take advantage of more 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.480 advanced microprocessors. UM and a lot of the refinements and 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.920 snow Leopard are like that too, like things like Grand 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:23.600 Central Dispatch, which UM essentially manages processing threads so that 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.200 they are run by your processor more efficiently. UH and 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.440 open c L, which is a technology that uses your 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.920 graphics processor. It's not doing something like say, for example, 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.120 you are running UM editing a video, You're gonna need 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.200 your graphics processor chip to do a lot of that uh, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.200 to do a lot of that work. But if you're 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.080 working on something else that doesn't require a lot of 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:49.040 graphics processing, open cl will basically say, you know, commonteer, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.200 your your graphics process or chip, which is you know 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.080 a different kind of microprocessor dedicated to graphics UM, and 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.560 we'll co opt that and say come here, I need 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.320 you to do these other things until you're busy with 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.680 something else. And and basically the the operating system is 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:07.360 handling processing threads more efficiently than it was before. But 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:11.320 that's not really all that sexy, right, And and there's 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:12.960 not that much to show for it. You know, you 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.800 can't go, hey, look at this thing, because really it's 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.680 the same, looks almost exactly like the thing it was before. Um. Yeah, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.280 some people have actually gone so far as to criticize 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.280 Apple and call snow Leopard a service pack to Leopard, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.840 and that it could have it could have just been 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.880 released as an upgrade to Leopard without having justifying you know, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:37.199 its own name, and and uh. But then other reviewers 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.880 are a little more kind toward Apple, and and I 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.640 think justifiably so. I think there is enough there to 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.679 justify a separate purchase price for snow Leopard. It's not 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.960 like the changes are also subtle that you wouldn't even 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.240 you would never notice them. They did tweak several of 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.600 the applications within snow Leopard so that they run a 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.400 little better. They have a few more features. Again, nothing 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.080 as revolutionary as a brand new feature that is going 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.839 to blow everyone's socks off, But um, applications that can 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.200 do more than they did in the previous versions. So 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.800 things like stacks or or or even the male and 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.160 the ICL features had more functionality than they did in 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.839 previous versions, and enough of it so that, um, if 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.520 you were upgrading from Leopard to snow Leopard, the price 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.520 was not prohibitively prohibitively expensive, not by a long shot. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:37.880 Now we're talking unlike the previous upgrades to the operating system, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.640 which cost a hundred and twenty UH, Snow Leopard is 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.680 now statically. That's for people who have Leopard. If you 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.880 have Tiger or a previous version, UM, you're supposed to 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.480 be paying the full price. But if you go into 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.959 an Apple store and say I'm upgrading from Leopard to 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.280 snow Leopard, it's not like they're going to ask you 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.640 to bring your machine sen and and prove it. As 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.200 it turns out, from now I was, I upgraded my 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.080 machine from Leopard to snow Leopard, so I didn't have 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.680 to worry about that. Um. But as it turns out, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.560 apparently you can even format a drive with one of 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.400 the twenty nine dollar discs. Uh. It doesn't ask you 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.800 if you have Leopard, or automatically detect whether you have 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.920 Leopard on your operating system. Now, before any of you 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.920 rush out there to upgrade your your old, old old 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.600 Mac Into two snow Leopard, there's something very important you 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.120 need to know about this operating system, especially if you're 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.360 running a power PC based Specifically, what you need to 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.720 know if you are running a power PC based Mac 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.520 which is uh uh, there's the older chips, the microprocessors 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.840 from Motorola and IBM. If you're if you're running one 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.360 of those, UM, snow Leopard will not work on your machine. 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.920 It is not designed for that processor, and you won't 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:54.559 be able to run it. Even if you were to 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.280 uh go out there and and fool Apple and pay 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.080 the twenty nine x for it, it would just be 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:06.880 a useless piece of software to you. Now. UM, In 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:12.800 general benchmarking tests UM have shown that all these processor 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:17.560 improvements may not necessarily be all that improved. In fact, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.200 some of them may some For some processes, snow Leopard 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:25.040 may actually perform uh slower, more poorly. I guess you 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.880 could say, or UM or if you prefer, Leopard is 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.040 more efficient than snow Leopard for some processes. At least 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.840 it's faster. I think there are a number of reasons 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:37.720 for this. UH. One is that a lot of Apple 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.600 UM software for let's say this, a lot of software 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.760 for macOS ten UM is running in thirty two bit mode, 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:50.880 and your snow Leopard installation will too, unless you specifically 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.560 tell it you want to just start up in sixty 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.760 four bit mode. At this point, UH, if you boot 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.520 up your Mac running snow Leopard, it will boot in 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.640 a thirty two bit mode unless you hold down the 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.160 six and the four key at the same time as 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:05.520 you are booting it up, and you have to hold 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.520 it down until it boots, and then it is running 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.560 sixty four bit mode. And it doesn't actually tell you 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.480 this because I tried it and I'm going, okay, did 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:19.280 you show UM. However, some of the older programs UM 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.040 maybe running thirty two bit. They may not necessarily take 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.080 advantage of the multiprocessor UH functionality that you can use 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.360 in snow Leopard, and they may be running UM. You know, 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.600 for a while now, they've been running universal code, which 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.199 means it can run on a power PC chip or 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.440 an Intel chip, and if it's running in with those, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.400 you know, that's basically going to slow down the piece 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.800 of software. It's not optimized to work with that machine. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.240 I think in time you'll find that. I mean, this 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:48.960 is just based on my own experience and what I 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.000 happen to know. Um. I think in time, more programs 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.679 that are written to take advantage of these things in 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.000 snow Leopard will. Uh. You know, when you benchmark those 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.680 against earlier versions of the software, you're going to see 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.400 that these programs do better. But I think when they 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.200 first did those benchmarking tests there were probably some some 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.920 issues with that. Sure, sure, I'm I'm just guessing here. Well, 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.640 I mean, you know, I know that those things like 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.600 universal binaries, fat binaries, there's the programs that have code 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.440 in them to run on more than one processor chip. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:28.880 I know for a fact that those are in general slower, right, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.720 and and some of the applications that like the quick 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.600 Time application UM felt a lot different than the earlier 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.359 ones for things like Leopard and UM. The user interface 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.640 on snow Leopard is is kind of a little more 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.280 snazzy and and has a bit more sex appealed to it. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.120 I guess you could say, um, so, I mean there 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.800 are some cosmetic differences as well. It's not it's not 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.440 at all just under the hood. And UH, if that 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.400 matters to you, then of course that that becomes the 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:01.360 selling point. UM. If you're like me and you've gotten 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.120 to the point where you don't really care what your 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.280 computer looks like as long as stuff works the way 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.080 it's supposed to. UM. And in fact, actually I'll go 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.800 even further. If you end up doing a dance of 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.680 joy because your computer actually did something that you told 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.400 it to do, then the how good it looks may 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.120 not really matter to you very much, but it matters 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:27.200 a lot during press conferences. Yep, that's true. Now. UM. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.800 You know, if you uh, there are other things that 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:34.040 you are probably gonna be interested in. If you're still 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.480 considering upgrading to snow Leopard. UM. You know, if you 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.160 do have uh an Intel machine, generally anything in the 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:45.520 last four years is until based machine. UM. You know, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.080 it's there are some some things that that you'll enjoy. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.160 There's a new version of quick Time that comes that 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.280 came with it. It does it's very nice. I really 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:59.120 enjoy that. UM And UH it tends to update things 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:05.120 like networking. UM automatically detects whether or not they're new 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.600 drivers for your printer, which is nice. UM it can 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.280 even identify which printers are closer to you. If you 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.240 are working in an office that has mac Um, it 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.600 might be able to tell, uh, the laser printer around 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.120 the corner versus the one down the hall um, which 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.760 is kind of neat. Again, these are just a little 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.000 incremental improvements that I think would be nice if every 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.480 operating system had them. So it's but nice to have 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.360 attempt to install Safari on your computer, no matter how 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.240 many times you scream, I don't want that operating Are 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:38.880 that web browser? Oh yeah, there's a new version of 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.480 Safari that came with Snail. Of course, that's pretty much true, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:43.960 I think. For I know, I know there are a 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.560 lot of people out there who really do like the 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:50.280 Safari web browser, and they've they're accustomed to its user interface. Uh. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.080 And I know I joke about how much I hate 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.240 the Safari uh web browser. So I just want to 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.560 be serious here for a minute. I really hate Safari browser. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.720 But you know, hey, if you like it, that's cool. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.400 I'll no, I'm not gonna I'm just gonna keep using 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.720 my little Firefox over here until they get Chrome to 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.880 the point where it actually is good on the Mac. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.320 That's a that's a a jab at Google. Actually, uh uh, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.240 I used Chrome on my Mac at home running snow 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.920 Leopard in it's a it's a very I'm running it 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.920 on Tiger and it's not. Yeah, it works very nicely 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.680 on snow Leopard. I'll have to go and lie to Apple. Dang, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.000 I should not have recorded this podcast. Um, well, here's 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.080 something that we need to mention. I can't believe we've 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.240 gone this long without mentioning it. Or maybe you did 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.440 and I just zoned out. Exchange support yes built in 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.000 Yes to snow Leopard, which you know that's a big 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:49.000 deal because Exchange is one of those major, major UM 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:54.760 platforms that lots of corporations use for things like email. Well, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.040 it's funny because I'm not to take a swipe it 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.360 Microsoft at all. Um. Because then in a lot of ways, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.400 I like Entourage, which is the mail program that comes 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.879 with Office for Mac. UM. The new version of Officer 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.200 Mac will actually come with Outlook, which is good because Entourage, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.800 Uh well entourages UM support for the Exchange server is 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.760 if you're not actually okay, here's the thing. If you're 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.520 not actually on the network, Um, it doesn't really do 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:30.400 all that much supporting, whereas with mail, which is mail 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.919 dot app is the Mac email program that comes with 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:38.240 the os UM, you can actually put in your exchange 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.880 server information basically like your email address and and uh, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.720 you know, some simple user information and automatically detects um 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.280 the exchange server and goes ahead and download your information. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.960 Now I think this is being done. Uh, you know, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.920 and there has to be some cooperation on the part 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.800 of the exchange server for this to work. But it 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.920 does work, and it does work automatically, which is nice. Um, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.600 you know, I've had the same experience on Evolution Mail 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.120 for Linux, which is pretty cool because you're going, Okay, well, 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.600 how come some of Microsoft Done products don't interface the 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.440 exchange server as well as these others do. But but 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:19.880 it is nice to have. Yeah, and uh, before we, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.720 I guess move into the final section here, there were 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.840 some problems with snow Leopard when it launched. There were 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.520 some applications that were compatible with the predecessor with Leopard 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.840 that no longer worked properly or in some cases did 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.200 not work at all in snow Leopard. Yeah, but this 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.879 this could be said, I should you know, with the 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.560 grain salt, this actually could be said of virtually any os. Yeah, 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.919 pretty much, time you're gonna have anything beyond a minor patch, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.720 you run the risk of of changing the operating system 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.119 enough so that applications that were built on the old 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.200 set of parameters will no longer work properly. Um, that's 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.359 just you can't really blame Apple for that. You can't. 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.760 You definitely can't blame the developers because it's not like 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.760 they can see in the future and see exactly what 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.879 Apple is going to build into the next generation of 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.440 the operating system. Um. It's just it's one of those 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.560 things that upon the release of any operating system, new 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.520 operating system, you're gonna see some instances of that. And uh, really, 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.800 you've got a couple of options. One is you just 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.119 wait to adopt a new operating system until most of 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.000 those bugs get ironed out. You know a lot of 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.320 times they say to uh, to wait for a dot release, 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.440 which is in this case ten dot six, dot one 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.760 right where they've they've addressed some of those problems. Or um, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.199 it may even be where you end up having to 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.119 download a patch for the particular application as opposed to 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.320 the operating system. It all depends on on who gets 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.159 there first. Really. But the other option is you go 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.159 ahead and you adopt the new operating system, and you 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:51.960 just cope with the fact that you're not going to 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.919 have access to some of the applications, UM that you 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.560 might otherwise expect because they were running fine on your 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.280 machine before. These weren't necessarily major applications that were they 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.640 got a lot of use from your average user. But uh, 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:09.680 but power users, people who had very specific UM reasons 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.400 for using a Mac might have encountered that with various programs. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.760 That's true. Yeah, I had some I had some hiccups 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.560 when I first switched over. UM. One thing that I 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.520 can recommend to you if you're gonna switch your computer 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.480 from one operating system of any kind to the other. Again, 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.720 this is you know, true for pretty much everything. Back 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.200 up your computer first, UM, even even doing an incremental 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.000 release moving from Leopard to snow Leopard, or you know, 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:41.320 if you're upgrading from this at a window seven, Um, 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:46.640 you can't count on it always being a smooth installation. UM. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.240 You know, even I heard some complaints of people who 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.440 moved from a bunch of nine point oh ford to 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.960 nine point one zero. You just you know, you never 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.240 know when they're your driver is gonna go away or 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.919 you know some only something's gonna go awry and you 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.720 can't access a certain kind of file or um heaven forbid. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:13.080 Uh you know, ah, your hard drive gets completely uh smashed, 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.200 not literally, but you know it completely obliterates the information 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.639 your high drive, which has happened in some instances. So 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.720 always good to back up your data. And here's here's 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.639 something that's also kind of an interesting comparison between the 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:32.200 mac os and it's chief competitor, which being Microsoft's Windows product. 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.359 Unlike the Microsoft machines, when you go and buy a 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.240 new Mac and I'm talking about a new one, not 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.520 a not a refurbished one or used when not buying 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.520 it off Craigslist, you're going into the Apple store and 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.919 you're buying it. Uh, whatever Mac machine you're picking up, 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.560 you're gonna be getting the latest version of that software, right, 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.879 that's what that's because they're gonna upgrade everything. So the 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:57.080 day that the snow Leopard operating system was went gold 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.439 on the shelves, it was also what was available as 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:01.119 soon as you walk into the store to buy a 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.359 new Mac or at least they give you a copy 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.720 of it, right, Yeah, if it wasn't already pre installed 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.080 in the machine, they would give you a copy and 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.560 you could you could upgrade it. But on a Windows 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.560 machine you could go into a storm. Because this is 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.399