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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette

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Speaker 1: and I am the tech editor here at how stuff

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Speaker 1: works dot com. Sitting across from me as usual as

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Speaker 1: senior writer Jonathan Strickland me al, oh, I know where

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Speaker 1: you're going with this right. Well, first, let's go with

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Speaker 1: a little listener mail. This listener mail comes to us

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Speaker 1: from Ian and Ian says, hey, I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: you could do a podcast about the new Mac operating

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Speaker 1: system Mac OS ten snow Leopard. Also, I was wondering

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Speaker 1: Verizon will carry the iPhone coming December two thousand nine,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure, but thanks and I love your

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Speaker 1: podcast so clearly you can tell already. Ian wrote us

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Speaker 1: some time ago this would be back in November of

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Speaker 1: two thousand nine. It is now two ten and the

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Speaker 1: iPhone is not on Verizon yet yet there's still rumors

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Speaker 1: about it. Um As of the recording of this podcast,

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Speaker 1: no official announcement, but we all suspect that that's where

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Speaker 1: it's headed. Yeah. Actually, on the day they released the iPad,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have expected an announcement that Apple

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Speaker 1: Imagine that there's a big breast release for one thing

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Speaker 1: that Apple is doing, and people expect Apple to say

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Speaker 1: something else. Now, in this case, I'm actually defending Apple,

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Speaker 1: and I'm saying, shame on you Apple fanboys. If Apple

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Speaker 1: you're eager to hear. Well, you see that happen over

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Speaker 1: and over. I criticize Apple a lot. I won't lie,

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Speaker 1: but I feel for them when they them out and

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Speaker 1: what about this Verizon iPhone thing? Well, there's a that's

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Speaker 1: pretty much fans of every tech when they release something

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Speaker 1: they really want to see I think it's the discretion

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Speaker 1: of the income that makes the Apple ones even worse.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You can write me at tech stuffs

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Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com, yeah, and they will.

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Speaker 1: I know. Um, I own Apple products, so I know

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Speaker 1: about this. Yes, yes, and I admit that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like many eager to see what they're going to release,

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Speaker 1: as far as snow Leopard goes, let's let's talk about

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Speaker 1: with the actual operating system UM Windows Microsoft they don't

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Speaker 1: have that luxury because Microsoft creates an operating system that

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Speaker 1: a basic set of of stats, like a basic you know,

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Speaker 1: of memory, that kind of stuff. Once it hits that,

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Speaker 1: then theoretically the Microsoft product should be able to run

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Speaker 1: on it. But as we all know, depending on what

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Speaker 1: not run properly because Microsoft can't predict what video cards

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Speaker 1: gonna be in there, what sound card. Sometimes video cards

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Speaker 1: and sound cards will have uh incompatibilities with each other

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Speaker 1: or with a certain kind of processor, and Microsoft has

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Speaker 1: no control over any of those elements. That's all a

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Speaker 1: manufacturer kind of thing. So. Um, so the experience of

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Speaker 1: why you often will hear Apple customers say, you know

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Speaker 1: why I want to Mac because it just works, and

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Speaker 1: it's because Apple has controlled that whole process. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: still a matter of debate whether or not the Mac

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Speaker 1: OS is superior to a Windows OS. That's really kind

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Speaker 1: of a personal taste thing, I think. Um, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to be super objective about. I mean, you could you

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Speaker 1: could argue based on how well they perform similar tasks.

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Speaker 1: You could do a benchmark test that way, but they

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Speaker 1: both have such a unique user interface to to their

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Speaker 1: own experience that um, I think it does come down

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Speaker 1: to a matter of personal tastes. Also, if you're a

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Speaker 1: video gamer or not because you're a gamer, it's still

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Speaker 1: a PC world. There are a lot of great games

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Speaker 1: out there for the Mac, but it's just a subset

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Speaker 1: really of some of the games that you'll find for

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Speaker 1: the PC. Well, uh snow Leopard does include support for

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Speaker 1: boot camp, or rather to allow you to boot into Windows,

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Speaker 1: or for that matter, of Linux. UM, so you know

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Speaker 1: you can install Windows alongside you are a Mac OS ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially it's yeah, you can. You can boot into Windows

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Speaker 1: instead of the mac os on your Mac and then

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Speaker 1: run various uh Windows oriented software. Earlier, earlier, I misspoke

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Speaker 1: boldly that I know for a fact that binary applications

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Speaker 1: are slower to run. UM. That's not necessarily true. Well,

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Speaker 1: some of them are, UM, but the chances are uh,

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Speaker 1: chances are pretty good that they're going to run about

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Speaker 1: the same on UM power PC and Intel chips. However,

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Speaker 1: the programs themselves are going to be bigger because they

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Speaker 1: have more code in them, essentially, you know, because they

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Speaker 1: have to have code that takes advantage of either processor. UM.

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Speaker 1: And you know, some of the files they create may

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Speaker 1: or may not be a little larger as a result.

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Speaker 1: But uh, suffice it to say that a program written

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Speaker 1: for just one processor type of processor is going to

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Speaker 1: be more efficient. Uh, you know, it'll be smaller, it'll

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Speaker 1: be uh, you know, lets there's less code in there,

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Speaker 1: sort of like less moving parts. The chances are are

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Speaker 1: good that it's going to be make your computer more

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Speaker 1: efficient on the on the long run, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's uh the benefit there. But yeah, I probably shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have said that. They all forever and ever are larger.

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Speaker 1: But it's a good point for technology, just in technology

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Speaker 1: in general. As technology advances and we and we move

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Speaker 1: thirty two bit to sixty four bit to bit, and

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Speaker 1: the every person, every person, every company, organization or developer

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Speaker 1: has to face a question, which is do I develop

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Speaker 1: this application or this operating system even that so that

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Speaker 1: it will work on multiple kinds of processors, or do

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Speaker 1: I just make the choice to abandon the older processors

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Speaker 1: and say, if you're not running this kind of machine,

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Speaker 1: this this application is off limits to you. Um. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough choice to make, because you know, you limit

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Speaker 1: your audience if you decide to to cut out a

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Speaker 1: older machines. On the other hand, it makes the development

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Speaker 1: process much easier and it also keeps your code to

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Speaker 1: a more manageable level. The more you have to support

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Speaker 1: various kinds of of hardware, whether it's different processors or whatever. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the harder and more complex, your development process is going

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Speaker 1: to be just in general rule of thumb, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. I even saying that, I think most people

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Speaker 1: would be like, well yeah, but I mean it's worth

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Speaker 1: saying yeah, yeah, and it's um, I think to uh,

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Speaker 1: thinking back on it, I've seen you know, we need

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Speaker 1: to wrap up, but uh, it's um. I've seen generally

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Speaker 1: positive reviews, especially once the the initial dust up over. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: this thing doesn't work with snow Leppard past, you know,

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Speaker 1: once they had some some incremental releases. I know I've

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Speaker 1: had a smoother experience in the last few months, and

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Speaker 1: I did when I first switched over, because I did

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Speaker 1: have a couple of applications that needed to be updated

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Speaker 1: so that they would work properly. Um. But you know,

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Speaker 1: people don't really talk about snow Leppard. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the downsides of having this very you know, in general

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Speaker 1: positive uh incremental release. But you know, Windows seven has

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Speaker 1: generated a lot of buzz, rapidly shot up to ten

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Speaker 1: percent of the market share, and snow Leopard there's just

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Speaker 1: not a lot to generate buzz around. Well, it's also

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Speaker 1: just that the user base for max Is is smaller

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Speaker 1: that it's not that they are any less passionate. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I would argue that that real Mac fans tend to

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Speaker 1: be some of the most passionate UH electronics consumers out there.

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Speaker 1: But um, but there aren't as many of them. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. Um, Like you said, Uh,

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Speaker 1: part of it was also that it wasn't a huge

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Speaker 1: leap forward, although it was a lot of improvements. But

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Speaker 1: everything I've seen has essentially said it's worth the thirty bucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It's a you know, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a good release, a's stable. It's if you're considering upgrading

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Speaker 1: and your computer is capable of it at this point, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's an affordable upgrade and won't get you

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Speaker 1: ready for the sorry if the Apple pun next step?

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna wrap this up now actually because

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Speaker 1: amount of time we spent on Window seven, and this

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