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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mob Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot Com. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Caroline and I'm Kristin. Today we are talking about

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Speaker 1: lady aviators and we got out of this topic because

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Speaker 1: there is a new expedition underway or there will be

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Speaker 1: the summer to find Amelia Earhart's remains. She went down

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Speaker 1: in her plane with her trusting navigator in nine seven

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Speaker 1: when they were on the way from Papua New Guinea

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Speaker 1: to Howland Island, and there they've started this new expedition

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Speaker 1: because there is a newly enhanced photo from just months

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Speaker 1: after the crash that shows, or what they think could show,

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Speaker 1: part of the wreckage of her Lockheed Electra plane. Now,

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Speaker 1: some researchers also refer to this photo as UM the

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Speaker 1: Amelia Earhart version of the lock Ness Monster, because you

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Speaker 1: can see digital enhancements of UM what looks to be

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Speaker 1: something bobbing out of the water, and it's still pretty

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Speaker 1: hard to tell what it is. It is blurry exactly UM.

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Speaker 1: But like you said, Caroline, she went down in while

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Speaker 1: she was attempting to fly around the world at the equator,

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Speaker 1: which had never been done before. UM. And this is

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Speaker 1: not the first search, of course for air Heart and

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Speaker 1: Noonan and the plane UM. After the pair vanished, President

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Speaker 1: Franklin Dedano Roosevelt UH sent nine Navy ships and sixties

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Speaker 1: six aircraft to search for her UM and it costs

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Speaker 1: more than four million dollars, which was a hefty price

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Speaker 1: tag at the time. And there's have since been I

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Speaker 1: think a couple other expeditions to to search around the

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Speaker 1: South Pacific looking for her. Right, And this group that's

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Speaker 1: spearheading the expedition in July has actually searched for her before,

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Speaker 1: and to search this area before. It's the International Group

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Speaker 1: for Historic Aircraft Recovery, and they will be looking off

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Speaker 1: the South Pacific island of Nicko Maro Row. I have

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Speaker 1: probably Niu Maro Row, it's one of those Nicko Maro

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Speaker 1: Ro ni Moro Row. But Susan Butler, who wrote East

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Speaker 1: to Don The Life of Amelia Earhart, does not think

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Speaker 1: that Rick Gillespie, who's heading up that expedition by the

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Speaker 1: International Group for Historic air Craft Recovery, is going to

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Speaker 1: find anything, right. Yeah, She says that she thinks the

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Speaker 1: she thinks they're just looking in the wrong spot. Um.

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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, it is it's kind of exciting that this

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Speaker 1: and if anything, any chance to talk about Amelia Earhart

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Speaker 1: is fun because she's such an iconic uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: back when Amelia Earhart was basically one article compared her

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Speaker 1: But even though Amelia Earhart is probably best known for

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Speaker 1: history of plane flight. On December sev three, the Wright

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Speaker 1: Amelia Earhart was a columnist exactly, their covers probably looked

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Speaker 1: the serious Caroline, They were very serious. More women who

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Speaker 1: Enter my dad, who graciously drove the hour and a

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Speaker 1: and for a very successful and highly decorated Air Force

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Speaker 1: also balancing is successful and sometimes hectic career. He explained

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Speaker 1: that he and my mother cherished their chores in cooking

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Speaker 1: time when they were younger because, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: in their relationship. These days, my mom is finishing up

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