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Speaker 2: And for this Monday Minni, we're going to go ahead

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Speaker 2: This is a conversation about suicide, violence against women, harassment,

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Speaker 2: and overall gender violence. Yeah, and this is actually referring

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Speaker 2: a city council member tried to blame women for an

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Speaker 2: we've talked about it in our k Pop special about

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Speaker 2: the fact that South Korea has one of the highest

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Speaker 2: And you can reference I believe in Monday Mini. Is

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Speaker 2: bit from a Times article that wrote about it. Local

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Speaker 2: media reported Sunday on June twenty eighth the press release

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Speaker 2: included data on suicide attempts made at twenty one bridges

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Speaker 2: Of sixty nine attempts, twenty four hundred eighty seven were

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Speaker 2: while in twenty twenty three, the total attempts rose to

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Speaker 2: one thousand, thirty five, with seven hundred ninety eight, or

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Speaker 2: participation in society. The article continues. The solution Kim concluded

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Speaker 1: Kim too.

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Speaker 2: Local newspaper Han kiore I wrote this based on my

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Speaker 2: The paper also cited experts who refuted Kim's analysis, pointing

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Speaker 2: This was just one man's opinion. It made global news,

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Speaker 2: They have some odd ideas. Unfortunately, I can't ignore the

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Speaker 2: And the Korea Women's Hotline emphasizes that violence against women

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Speaker 1: And yet instead you are like women, why or why

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again like they're literally doing a punishment system,

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