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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. All right, second hour of Clay and

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Speaker 1: Buck begins right now. We have Congressman Jim Jordan of

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Speaker 1: Ohio with us. Congressman, great to have you back on

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Speaker 1: the program sir, good to be with you. Smoking gun

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Speaker 1: documents prove Facebook censored Americans on behalf of the White House.

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Speaker 1: You said this, I believe a week ago. More has

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Speaker 1: come out since then. We've got a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about today, but let's start with this one. What have

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Speaker 1: we learned that's new about the extent that the White

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Speaker 1: House was willing to go to to crush the First

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Speaker 1: Amendment and use big tech as the hammer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they asked, hey, can you hey guys, can you

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Speaker 2: change the I mean literally they can you change the

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Speaker 2: algorithm to highlight the New York Times and to downgrade

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Speaker 2: downplay the Daily Wire Tommy Laren who works for Clay,

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Speaker 2: and I mean, they literally did exactly what we all

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Speaker 2: thought they were doing. But they it's like in writing,

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Speaker 2: they were that that much pressure, that much coercion. And

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Speaker 2: then this we learned this on top of what we'd

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Speaker 2: already learned, where like Nick Klaig a big executive with

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Speaker 2: Facebook said early on to some of the requests coming

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Speaker 2: from the White House, this is a real incursion on

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Speaker 2: three expression. Yeah, of course it was. But they did it.

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Speaker 2: They did it because they wanted the cozy relationship with

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration. That's how bad it was. Matt how

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Speaker 2: you've even said, Buck, this is worse than the Twitter file.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're learning here. This is this is

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Speaker 2: how ridiculous and how coercive this censorship operation really was.

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Speaker 3: Jim, you'll know, thanks for coming on, Thanks for the

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Speaker 3: work you're doing. You had me testify in March of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one about a lot of this data. And

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Speaker 3: for people out there who didn't hear about this, then,

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Speaker 3: when I was running out kick, we had Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: on as a guest on our radio program as a

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Speaker 3: sports show in August of twenty twenty. He wrote all

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Speaker 3: about that, and when we did, we lost eighty percent

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Speaker 3: of our Facebook traffic YEP, almost overnight. I had all

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Speaker 3: of our tech people look at it. I came and

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Speaker 3: I testified under oath to you, Congressman, back in I

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Speaker 3: believe March of twenty twenty one or thereabouts, and told

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Speaker 3: that story and now you guys are getting in and

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Speaker 3: you're actually finding out. Oh, this was happening all over

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Speaker 3: the place, and it was direct content based discrimination. When

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Speaker 3: people were too favorable about Donald Trump, when they were

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Speaker 3: too favorable about Republican leaning storylines, Facebook kneecaptam and basically

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Speaker 3: said we're not going to allow your stories to get

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Speaker 3: out there. And for people out there who wonder about

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Speaker 3: the impact, yes, it detracts from the marketplace of ideas,

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Speaker 3: but also when you're running a business like I was

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Speaker 3: for OutKick, when they take away your traffic, you lose

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Speaker 3: your ability to monetize and run your business. So it's

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Speaker 3: not only take you out of the marketplace of ideas,

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Speaker 3: it's a clear attempt to warn you that you can't

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Speaker 3: run your business if you run a foul of the

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Speaker 3: Facebook guardrails.

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Speaker 2: Totally, I mean, shazam, exactly what we thought was happening,

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Speaker 2: exactly what you testified to was what was going on.

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Speaker 2: And as you point out, Clay, this this took money

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Speaker 2: out of your pocket and your your company's pocket. That

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Speaker 2: is that is how pervasive and how wrong this really was.

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Speaker 2: And the idea that we had to push and push

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Speaker 2: and push and threaten contempt before Facebook wouldever turned this

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Speaker 2: material over to us, because all we asked for was said, hey,

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Speaker 2: give us the same material that Elon Musk was willing

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Speaker 2: to make available to the entire world, give us that thing.

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Speaker 2: We think the same thing happened here. They they they

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Speaker 2: Finally we got them when we threatened contempt to show

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Speaker 2: us and it was even worse at Facebook than what

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio, and so all right, Congressman,

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Speaker 4: you're finding out more about just how extensive the big

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Speaker 4: tech censorship was. And there are many who I think

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Speaker 4: tech censorship picture, you could make a clear case that

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Speaker 4: it was used to help turn the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 4: for Joe Biden against Donald Trump. There may be possibly

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Speaker 4: some political consequences for this in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Who knows. And I'm not sure we get everything really proved.

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Speaker 5: That's what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Through the data, But in terms of legislation and other

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Speaker 4: forms of accountability, whether it's lawsuits, is there anything that's

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Speaker 4: going to come of this? I mean, you know what,

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Speaker 4: ye are we going to change what's going on with

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Speaker 2: Well, two things. One, highlighting how wrong it was what

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Speaker 2: I do think that helps change behavior. Second, Senator Paul

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Speaker 2: and are introducing legislation which would say, if you're in

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Speaker 2: the government and you're involved in centering America, can you

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Speaker 2: can You can lose your job, you can lose your pension,

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Speaker 2: you can lose your security clearance, and the person who's

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Speaker 2: who's in the government. So there's real penalties with with

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Speaker 2: then we're just going to continue to dig and find

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Speaker 2: out just how bad. Like one of the things we

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Speaker 2: recently learned is this Elvis Chan who was so involved

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Speaker 2: Russian information operation that was coming. Looks like Elvis Chan

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Speaker 2: knew a lot more than he said he knew when

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Speaker 2: he was under oath in this in this lawsuit that

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Speaker 2: was brought in the Western District of Louisiana where we've

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Speaker 2: got that great decision back on July fourth. So we'll

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Speaker 2: keep digging, keep bringing the facts public, and then we're

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Speaker 2: going to work on this legislation. And then finally, the

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Speaker 2: real power Congress always has is the power of the purse.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to say, to these agencies who were

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Speaker 2: District of Louisiana, you got to say, look, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: we're gonna limit how the money can be spent as

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Speaker 2: That's an important power that we have to exercise as well.

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Speaker 3: Jim, I'm curious in general because I think the essence

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Speaker 3: of what you're uncovering is this, and I've been asking

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Speaker 3: today because I retweeted you earlier. This is important for

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Speaker 3: everybody out there to understand. The FBI knew that Hunter

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Speaker 3: Biden's laptop was one hundred percent real.

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Speaker 5: They knew it. They had done their due diligence.

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Speaker 3: They then allowed fifty one intelligence agents to come out

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Speaker 3: and spread the lie which many Democrats still believe, that

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Speaker 3: the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.

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Speaker 5: And as you are uncovering.

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Speaker 3: At Facebook, the FBI told Facebook when they asked that

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Speaker 3: they basically didn't know. They no commented on whether or

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Speaker 3: they were saying, oh, this is Russian disinformation. Who inside

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Speaker 3: the FBI ordered this code red because they knew it

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Speaker 3: was real and they claimed to care about misinformation and disinformation, Jim,

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Speaker 3: but they allowed a clear lie to be spread which

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Speaker 3: rigged the election in favor of Joe Biden based on

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Speaker 3: that laptop. One hundred percent this happened. Do we know

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Speaker 3: who ordered the code red? Why have there been no

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great question, And we asked that when we had

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Speaker 2: peign influenced task force? Who's the lady who gave the comment?

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Speaker 2: No comment to Facebook when they asked the appropriate question.

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Speaker 2: Back on October fourteenth, twenty twenty, when the New York

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Speaker 2: Post story come out. We asked that question, the FBI

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Speaker 2: would not answer. They hit behind deliberative process. We're bound

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Speaker 2: and determined to find out who made that decision because

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Speaker 2: understand what happened previously or earlier on that day, that

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Speaker 2: same day, October fourteen, twenty twenty, is because there were

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Speaker 2: two different meetings that the FBI had early in the

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Speaker 2: the earlier meeting, they flipped up. They hadn't had their

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Speaker 2: is the laptop reel? Someone from the FBI said yes,

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Speaker 2: in and said, no further comment. They then had deliberations.

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Speaker 2: They had the Facebook meeting later that day, and that's

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Speaker 2: So what happened in those deliberations. We asked that we

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Speaker 2: didn't know who was They wouldn't tell us who was

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Speaker 2: were determined to find out because you're exactly right. The

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Speaker 2: real election interference, maybe the most significant election interference in

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Speaker 2: the campaign, I think was that right there, and what

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Speaker 2: these fifty one former Intel officials, and the game that

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Speaker 4: Congress and Jordan I had to ask, what do you

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Speaker 4: think your confidence level is that the Democrats and their

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Speaker 4: allies at big tech and elsewhere aren't going to just

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Speaker 4: try the same stuff this time around.

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Speaker 2: Well, they may, but you know, there's a lot more

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Speaker 2: and we now have a platform that's committed to free speech.

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Speaker 2: So while they may try to do it at Facebook,

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Speaker 2: I think deep down they knew and there was some

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Speaker 2: said this is an real incursion into free expression. They

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Speaker 2: So now that there's been lightshet on this, now that

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Speaker 2: not this. And plus we're also looking at these these

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Speaker 2: of misinformation quote is on these platforms, because that's how

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Speaker 2: As Clay was talking about as they testified to a

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Speaker 3: Jim, the number one question I get, and I bet

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Speaker 3: buck gets it too.

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Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent right on all this.

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Speaker 3: Not only do I know your right based on what

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Speaker 3: impact is as I testified to you to the committee

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Speaker 3: back in the day. So here's the question. Everybody in

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Speaker 3: our audience understands the truth that you're telling. Bucket, myself

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Speaker 3: certainly understand it. How do you reach the people that

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Speaker 3: think they're getting the truth from CNN, MSNBC, The New

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Speaker 3: the story that you're putting out there that I think

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Speaker 3: number one story in America. Because, as I've said for

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Speaker 3: some time, the rig job in twenty twenty and the

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Speaker 3: Biden crime family in general makes Watergate look like jaywalking.

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Speaker 3: But half the country still thinks the Hunter Biden laptop

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Speaker 3: was Russian disinformation. How do we get the truth out?

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Speaker 2: No, we keep talking about it. I mean, and you

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Speaker 2: makes a world of difference. You keep talking about it,

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Speaker 4: He's a guy who had coached and wrestled a high

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Speaker 4: Clay Well, you know, just just going for it with

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Speaker 3: Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are going

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Speaker 3: to see what might happen in that Elon Musk Mark

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Speaker 5: That Buck was just teasing.

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Speaker 3: Jim Jordan says, he'll give us a full breakdown from

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Speaker 3: But man, he is fired up about it, and obviously,

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Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 4: We're we're asking about who would win. Zuckerberg er Musk.

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Speaker 2: We don't.

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Speaker 4: We don't need to create any any tension there by

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Speaker 4: I mean, Elon is about my what is He's like

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Speaker 5: Oh, yes, here's one for Clay.

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Speaker 3: So I would totally ignore him. I think he's so

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Speaker 3: far beneath you. I want punches being thrown at Biden

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Speaker 3: my opinion. Oh we got another one here. This is

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Speaker 3: just from this is These are from today. Yeah, this

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Speaker 3: one's from today. Drayne's Jack Smith is going before his

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Speaker 3: number one draft pick, the judge of his dreams, all

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Speaker 3: caps who must be recused in an attempt to take

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Speaker 3: away my First Amendment rights. This despite the fact that he,

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Speaker 3: the do o J and his many thug prosecutors are

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Speaker 3: illegally leaking everything and anything to the fake news media.

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Speaker 3: I don't have as much of a problem with this,

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Speaker 3: all right. I think that Jack Smith is a sham

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Speaker 3: embarrassment of a prosecutor, and I understand now. My one

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Speaker 3: reticence is they're going to try just be ready for this.

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Speaker 3: They're going to try to get a effectively a muzzle

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Speaker 3: put on Trump related to these cases and when he

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Speaker 3: puts out truths or when he goes and does interviews,

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Speaker 3: They're going to try to argue that he has to

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Speaker 3: be imprisoned because he's violating the he's being in contempt

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Speaker 3: of court.

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Speaker 5: Just prepare for what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So I do think he needs to be careful that

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Speaker 3: he doesn't give them the ammunition to potentially get this

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Speaker 3: crazy judge who I do believe is rigged against him

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Speaker 3: in Washington, d C. That is not applying impartial justice.

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Speaker 3: I'm afraid of That's what they're going for here.

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Speaker 4: How is it even possible that anyone could argue at

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Speaker 4: this point that Trump does not deserve a change of

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Speaker 4: venue yep, and that Trump I'm talking about DC specifically,

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Speaker 4: and that Trump does not deserve a different judge. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean it would seem that that's here you go.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, this is also from this from

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Speaker 4: Julie Kelly. We had on Clay when you were on

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Speaker 4: vacation last week. I told you, Judge Cannon is legit.

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Speaker 4: She's not going to tolerate Jack Smith's nonsense.

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Speaker 5: This is gold.

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Speaker 4: This is all from Julie Kelly's account. She asks defense

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Speaker 4: to raise possible grand jury abuse by DOJ for conducting

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Speaker 4: nearly all of the investigation in DC then switching to

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Speaker 4: Florida at the last minute for the indictment.

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Speaker 5: So this is Judge Cannon. This is from the ruling

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Speaker 5: that she's put.

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Speaker 4: Forward right now, addressed the legal propriety of using an

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Speaker 4: out of district grand jury proceeding to continue the investigation

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Speaker 4: and or to seek post indictment hearings on the matter

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Speaker 4: pertinent to the instant indicted matter in this district.

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Speaker 5: So's the judge.

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Speaker 4: In Florida at least is calling out that there is

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Speaker 4: obvious manipulation of the process here to try to make

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Speaker 4: it as hard as possible for Trump.

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Speaker 3: She's right, and I've hit on this buck that to me,

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Speaker 3: Eileen Cannon, who was the judge in South Florida, what

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Speaker 3: they did was really I think inappropriate. They got all

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Speaker 3: the rulings that they needed, in particular the piercing of

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Speaker 3: the attorney client privilege, and then they basically just read

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Speaker 3: the transcripts from their grand jury proceeding in DC. Is

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Speaker 3: my understanding to a new grand jury in South Florida

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Speaker 3: in order to get the indictment against Trump. And I

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Speaker 3: believe that that Eileen Cannon needs to look at all

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Speaker 3: of the rulings that came out of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: And say, no, no, no, I'm not bound by any

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Speaker 3: of these. You need to make the argument to me

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Speaker 3: that this should be admissible, because remember this is important.

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Speaker 3: The general rule, as I'm sure many of you can

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Speaker 3: understand and respect, is what you tell your attorney is

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Speaker 3: privileged information and it can't be used against you in

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Speaker 3: a court of law. The only way that becomes an

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Speaker 3: exception is if and well, there's more than one way,

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Speaker 3: but the primary way, and the way they used here

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Speaker 3: is the crime fraud exemption. In other words, you can't

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Speaker 3: go to your attorney and say, hey, I just committed

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Speaker 3: a murder, how should I dispose of this body and

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Speaker 3: then claim that your conversation is protected. So they've tried

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Speaker 3: to argue that because of the crime fraud exemption, essentially

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Speaker 3: this is no longer attorney client privileged.

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Speaker 5: And I just don't buy it.

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Speaker 3: I think Judge Cannon, if she looks at this, may

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Speaker 3: very well say, first of all, there's a legitimate question

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Speaker 3: about whether any crime has occurred at all. And the

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Speaker 3: number one most sacro sanct aspect of the attorney client

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Speaker 3: relationship is generally when you sit across the desk from

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Speaker 3: your attorney. Your conversations with that attorney are privileged and

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Speaker 3: can't be used against you in a court of law.

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Speaker 3: That ruling came out of Washington. I think what Julie's

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Speaker 3: pointing at is, I Leen Cannon's independence here may well

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Speaker 3: reject some of the evidence that was used in order

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Speaker 3: to indict Trump. And let me say this two Buck.

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Speaker 3: I also was texting with a US senator over the

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Speaker 3: weekend who's an expert in legal procedures, and I asked him,

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Speaker 3: I said, Hey, I got a question for you. Why

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Speaker 3: should there not be a rule that if you are

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Speaker 3: indicted for a federal offense in Washington, DC, why should

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Speaker 3: you be able to not remove that federal offense to

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Speaker 3: your home jurisdiction and have the case take place there

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Speaker 3: as a defendant. And the reason why I bring that

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Speaker 3: up is Democrats have a rigged grand jury and a

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Speaker 3: rigged criminal court system in Washington d C. If I

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Speaker 3: were indicted in Washington d C. Buck, I would much

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Speaker 3: prefer to relocate my case to Williamson County, Tennessee, in

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Speaker 3: a federal court in Middle Tennessee, where I live, and

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Speaker 3: allow a jury of my peers truly where I live

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Speaker 3: to determine whether or not I've committed a criminal offense

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Speaker 3: federally as opposed to a rigged court that's going to say, oh,

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Speaker 3: Clay Travis, super right winger, I want him in prison for.

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Speaker 4: The rest of his life. Well, you bring up you

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Speaker 4: bring up an even broader problem here, which I think

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Speaker 4: is what we're seeing right now through the prism of Trump.

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Speaker 4: But it really is applicable way beyond that. And it's

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Speaker 4: can any prominent Republican get a fair trial.

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Speaker 5: In Washington, d C?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 5: You know, on any matter.

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Speaker 4: Of corruption, on any political issue whatsoever, now anyone but

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Speaker 4: that it's fair. And that is the seed of our government.

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Speaker 4: And so that's where a lot of federal legal actions

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Speaker 4: take place. And it tells you, it tells you something

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Speaker 4: that the seat of the federal government is effectively a communist,

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Speaker 4: lunatic stronghold, I mean, which is which is really not

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Speaker 4: good for.

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Speaker 5: The future of the country.

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Speaker 4: Is something we'll tackle a bit more here and we'll

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Speaker 5: And Buck, I know you did. We were just talking

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Speaker 5: about this off air.

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Speaker 3: I caught up with some of the things that you

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Speaker 3: were laying out with the Tablet magazine article about Barack Obama, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and his influence in the Biden administration. But what stood

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Speaker 3: out to me and I can't believe it hasn't turned

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Speaker 3: into a bigger story. I'll be honest with you, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you knew about this. With one of

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Speaker 3: his former girlfriends, he wrote that he had sexual fantasies

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Speaker 3: about men.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get to that. On Friday, I told everybody

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Speaker 4: to read the piece. I was, yes, yes, that is

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Speaker 4: that is in the piece. This is from the most

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Speaker 4: celebrated Obama biographer out there, I mean, the most thorough

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Speaker 4: David Guero is that his name, I believe, yes, And

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Speaker 4: and he wrote I think the most well known and

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Speaker 4: most highly regarded MLK junior biography as well. This is

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Speaker 4: not some you know, This is not like right wing

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Speaker 4: theory about No. No, this this is based on the

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Speaker 4: facts and with hundreds of interviews of everybody involved in

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Speaker 4: Obama's life. And I guess yeah, there's a written record

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Speaker 4: that he said he had sexual fantasies about men. Oh

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Speaker 4: that is a true thing from the article, and no

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Speaker 4: can it. Just to be clear, no one has disputed that.

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Speaker 3: And this was in a letter, the love letter of

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Speaker 3: some sort that he was re friend to a girlfriend.

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Speaker 5: Which is also very unusual.

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Speaker 3: There were lots I would encourage all of you, I

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Speaker 3: know you talked about I didn't read it.

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Speaker 5: Till this weekend. It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do we haven't linked at clayanbuck dot com on Friday?

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Speaker 4: We could if people go check it out, we could

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Speaker 4: probably put up another link.

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Speaker 3: I would encourage all of you to go read did

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Speaker 3: that interview? Because my jaw dropped several times as I

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Speaker 3: read it?

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Speaker 5: But did you? But what do you think of the

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Speaker 5: political implications that? You know?

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Speaker 4: The thing for me was the light bulb went off.

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Speaker 4: I remember Obama moved to Colorama. You know DC, just

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Speaker 4: like me, you lived there for years. Colorama is stone's

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Speaker 4: throw from not It's not like it's even in the

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Speaker 4: DC suburbs or something. Colorama is a less than ten

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Speaker 4: minute cab.

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Speaker 5: Ride to the White House.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're right there, and you say, no other

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Speaker 4: former president's done that. Then you realize, oh, all the

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Speaker 4: Obama administration holdovers who have stayed in the Biden or

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Speaker 4: who are now in the Biden administration. And the connectivity

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Speaker 4: and no reporting whatsoever about who comes and goes from

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Speaker 4: the Obama mansion in Colorama. That seems strange for the

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Speaker 4: DC press court. You add those pieces together, you realize, Clay,

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Speaker 4: it's a third Obama term. That's what we have right now.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, it's interesting, they said.

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Speaker 3: Buck was initially the story, which I can buy because

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Speaker 3: I've got kids. Initially, the story on why they stayed

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Speaker 3: in d C was, Oh, we want the youngest daughter

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Speaker 3: to finish school at the school.

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Speaker 5: That she's already started.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, Okay, I can understand that lots of

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Speaker 3: parents out there have stayed in places they might not

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Speaker 3: necessarily want to make their full time home because they

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Speaker 3: want their kid to be able to finish out high school.

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Speaker 3: Once you've already started somewhere, it can be difficult to change.

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Speaker 3: I understand that she's been graduating for several years now,

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Speaker 3: and so this idea. And by the way, there's a

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Speaker 3: new Democrat in office. So even if you were fired

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Speaker 3: up and thought that Trump was going to be a

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Speaker 3: true menace to society, which he was not good movie

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Speaker 3: by the way, Minister society back in the day. If

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Speaker 3: he was, then you would totally understand. Okay, well, they're

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Speaker 3: finishing school and now there's a new Democrat administration.

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Speaker 5: But I just come back again to.

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Speaker 3: There were many different revels in there from Garo, how

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Speaker 3: many straight men fantasize about sleeping with women?

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Speaker 5: I mean, sorry, I hope all of them.

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Speaker 3: How many straight men out there fantasize about sleeping with men?

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is a common fantasy. That is

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Speaker 3: really strange. And to write it in a letter to

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Speaker 3: your girlfriend like that is a holy crap. If I

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Speaker 3: were dating somebody, uh, and I was a woman, which

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Speaker 3: is now we're going into all these different rules, I

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Speaker 3: would think one of your biggest fears would be, oh,

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Speaker 3: this guy's actually gay. And if you said, oh, I'm

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Speaker 3: fantasizing about sleeping with dudes, I'm sorry you don't accidentally

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Speaker 3: end up sleeping with a guy like that is a

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Speaker 3: I'll just say that is a very choice driven perspective.

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Speaker 4: I mean, to be fair, there are these days they're

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Speaker 4: trying to make it, you know, there's they're they're changing

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Speaker 4: a lot of stuff with the surgeries and everything else.

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Speaker 5: So I just you know, it's I think at the

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Speaker 5: time it would have.

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Speaker 3: Been in very very Here's what I will say, as

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Speaker 3: a heterosexual man, I have at no point ever found

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Speaker 3: myself in close proximity to a sexual interaction with another man.

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Speaker 3: I would have to make several choices that would put

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Speaker 3: me in that proximity, which would not be unintentional.

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Speaker 5: This is funny.

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Speaker 4: I spent the first hour talking about the article through

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Speaker 4: the context of the chade of command of who's really

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Speaker 4: running the Biden White House. And your biggest takeaway is

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Speaker 4: Obama sent a letter to his girlfriend saying he had

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Speaker 4: gay fantasy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because if you are lying about your sexuality, I

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Speaker 3: believe that you will lie about everything.

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Speaker 5: I just do. And so I looked at that and

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Speaker 5: I can't get past it. Now.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think that he's running the I also thought

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Speaker 3: the other most fascinating thing in that was that basically

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama, according to this report, broke up with a

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Speaker 3: serious girlfriend because he decided he needed to date a

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Speaker 3: black woman, and that's how he ended up with Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is crossing the street when one of

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Speaker 3: his ex girlfriends was walking down the street on the

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Speaker 3: other side. That's super weird too. I just there were

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Speaker 3: many rebutions. Does not come across.

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Speaker 4: As a as a really ethical, honest, good person from

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Speaker 4: the garo innery.

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Speaker 5: He just doesn't. I don't know what else to say.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's the presentation you have in the

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Speaker 4: media of Obama generally, but he doesn't come across a

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Speaker 4: very likable individual well.

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Speaker 3: And I also thought the other thing Buck was the

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Speaker 3: contrast with Martin Luther King and the way that Martin

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Speaker 3: Luther King and his public versus private persona people. He

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Speaker 3: wasn't trying to fool people in his private life, even

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Speaker 3: though it was not necessarily the private life that you

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Speaker 3: would expect from a minister. And I thought that dichotomy

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Speaker 3: was fascinating