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Speaker 4: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. Some difficulty traveling around

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Speaker 4: Washington today has Emily and I broadcasting from home today. Emily,

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Speaker 4: how is it in your neck of the city.

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Speaker 5: Well, DC doesn't handle snow very well, so it's about

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Speaker 5: as you would expect. But it was a really beautiful,

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Speaker 3: Indeed, they're a little bit of potential rank coming.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise, looking forward to some possible sledding after this.

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Speaker 6: Good luck with that, because it's going to freeze up quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, get's gonna get ugly.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, we're so we're going to We're gonna start,

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Speaker 4: of course with Trump and Elon Musk holding a press

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Speaker 4: conference with his boy from the Oval Office. We're going

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Speaker 4: to move from there into the looming collapse of the

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Speaker 4: ceasefire with net Yahoo and Trump threatening to end that

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Speaker 4: and let you know, bring all hell back to Gaza

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Speaker 4: in an effort to ethnically cleanse the strip and redevelop

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Speaker 4: We're also speaking of this rather blunt real politic. We'll

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Speaker 4: also talk about Donald Trump saying that he has told

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Speaker 4: the Ukrainians that he wants to be paid back for

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Speaker 4: the US investment in their war effort to the tune

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Speaker 4: of five hundred billion dollars in rare earth minerals, and

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Speaker 4: that they can reach a deal with Russia or not

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Speaker 4: reach a deal with Russia. It's kind of he doesn't

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Speaker 4: really care. Meanwhile, Zelenski himself has kind of floated some

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Speaker 3: Peace proposal that could be could be a step forward.

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Speaker 3: Tulci Gabbard was supposed.

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Speaker 4: To be confirmed last night in the United States Senate,

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Speaker 4: but because of the inclement weather here they decided to

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Speaker 4: postpone that until this morning. But she probably by the

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Speaker 4: time you're watching this, she may have gotten through and

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Speaker 4: will be the Director of National Intelligence. Barring some serious surprise.

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Speaker 4: And then Emily, you were able to bring in a

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Speaker 4: couple of guests today, both of whom I think are

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Speaker 4: going to be interesting. One of them, you're doing a

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Speaker 4: newsletter with am I.

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Speaker 3: Am I right about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have two guests today. The second guest is

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Speaker 5: soa Aba Marii's my colleague got Unheard. We did launch

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Speaker 5: a newsletter called a new newsletter called Area forty seven

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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago, so you can go to

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Speaker 5: Unheard and look for Area forty seven subscribe and.

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Speaker 3: We could put that in the notes here too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good, like scoopy little details

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Speaker 6: So we're working on that.

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Speaker 5: But Sorod is joining us today to talk about a really,

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Speaker 5: really interesting story he wrote from the perspective of somebody

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Speaker 5: on the right about the era of Elon Musk and

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Speaker 5: Mago World embracing Elon Musk and the various pitfalls that

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Speaker 5: So we are happy to have him here so he

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Speaker 5: the Project twenty twenty five chapter on scaling down the

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Speaker 5: Department of Education dramatically, which just as we're coming here

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Speaker 5: biggest news in DC. Those plans are preceding apace. So

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Speaker 5: it's a very timely conversation we will get to have

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Speaker 5: with Lindsey. A lot of her ideas are going to

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Speaker 5: likely be implemented in the next few I mean with Elon,

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Speaker 3: And they started last night.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm looking forward to hearing.

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Speaker 4: From the author of the this this project twenty five five,

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Speaker 5: We will make sure to talk to Lindsay about all

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Speaker 5: of that and big show. So we might as well

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Speaker 5: all about the Oval Office conversation that Donald Trump and

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Speaker 5: Elon Musk had with reporters late yesterday. We have this

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Speaker 5: So we'll roll this clip and you can see Donald

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Speaker 7: Some of the things that we found, which you're shocking,

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Speaker 7: billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse,

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Speaker 7: that's sick, and that corrupt. And it seems hard to

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Speaker 7: looking for corruption, especially when we found hundreds of millions

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Speaker 7: the corruption. And it seems hard to believe that a

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Speaker 5: So that's Donald Trump going in on the federal judge. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Maybe they want to impeach the judge, which is a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, impeaching a judge over a over a issuing a

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Speaker 4: stay would be just an incredible break from two hundred

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Speaker 4: not just no, no, No judge would stop an executive,

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Speaker 4: within statutory guidelines because there are laws around the safe

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Speaker 4: They're saying they don't think he did anything with that,

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Speaker 3: We figure out what the hell is going on?

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Speaker 4: Is not saying that you cannot audit federal spending, that

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Speaker 5: Now, Elon obviously got a lot of questions, as people

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Speaker 5: how he responded to some of these very important questions.

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Speaker 8: That may say it seems like, well, we need a democracy. Well,

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Speaker 8: if you don't have a feedback loop, apax, we would.

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Speaker 4: Have to if you.

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Speaker 8: Sorry, tell you, gravitas can be difficult sometimes. So if

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Speaker 8: the government, and if you have the rule of the bureaucrat,

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Speaker 8: if the bureaucracy is in charge, and what meaning does

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 5: of interesting to hear that from him, because he's also

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Speaker 5: like he's a special government employee. And bureaucracy is bureaucracy.

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Speaker 5: It's not it doesn't change just because it's a conservative bureaucracy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's a bureaucrat, Like that is that, that

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Speaker 4: saying is he is he is the proper bureaucrat, That

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Speaker 4: I have an enormous amount of sympathy for that that

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Speaker 9: Does that present a conflict of interest for you?

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Speaker 8: Yours, mister Musk, including a lot of Democrats. I have detractors,

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Speaker 8: get what they voted for. And that's what democracy is

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Speaker 8: all about.

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Speaker 5: So let's also now listen to Speaker Mike Johnson asked

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Speaker 5: about Jadie Vance's recent comment saying that you know it's

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Speaker 5: okay not to comply with a judges order. And here's

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Speaker 5: how Mike Johnson responded.

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Speaker 1: There are more and more courts, federal judges, Republican and

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Speaker 1: Democratic appoint of judges have said that some of the

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Speaker 1: Trump actions early actions, we put a halt to them.

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Speaker 3: Jade Vance said that judges.

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Speaker 7: Aren't allowed to control the executive legitimate power.

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Speaker 11: You're a constitutional law expert.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, at the end of the courts say.

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Speaker 7: That the administration is valuing the law, should they comply

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Speaker 7: with the court's demands.

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Speaker 10: Well, of course the branches have to respect our constitutional order.

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Speaker 10: But there's a lot of game yet to be played.

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Speaker 3: Those will be appealed.

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Speaker 10: We've got to go through the whole process, and we'll

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Speaker 10: get to the final analysis in the interim. I will

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Speaker 10: say I agree wholeheartedly with Vice President j. D Vance,

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Speaker 10: my friend, because he's right what they're doing in the

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Speaker 10: executive branch. I've been asked so many times, aren't you

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Speaker 10: uncomfortable with this? No, I'm not because when Congress, for example,

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Speaker 10: appropriates dollars for the executive branch to use, we build

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Speaker 10: in not only in the spirit of the law, but

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Speaker 10: in a letter of all a broad amount of discretion

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Speaker 10: for how that is used. There is a presupposition in

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Speaker 10: America if the commander in chief is going to be

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Speaker 10: a good steward of tax payer dollars, the commander in chief,

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Speaker 10: the President of the United States, is going to command

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Speaker 10: those within his branch of government to do the right

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Speaker 10: thing by the people, to be accountable, to not fund

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Speaker 10: drag shows, you know in the Middle Eastern countries or

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Speaker 10: South America. Do not waste our tax payer dollars. And

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Speaker 10: that's what has been uncovered, and that's why we and

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Speaker 10: the people are applauding what's happening right now in the

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Speaker 10: new administration because they've taken that seriously.

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Speaker 5: All right, and let's go ahead and take a look

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Speaker 5: over here. So the Trump administration, as Kyle Cheney says,

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Speaker 5: is asking an appeals court for an emergency order to

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Speaker 5: permit it to reinstate limits on federal spending.

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Speaker 6: That it says, we're.

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Speaker 5: Improperly blocked by a federal judge in Rhode Island, which

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Speaker 5: they called quote intolerable judicial overreach and ran we may

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Speaker 5: actually disagree on this.

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Speaker 3: I thought this just as an update this.

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Speaker 4: This circuit court has already rejected this appeal, and it

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Speaker 4: was a three judge panel to Biden appointees and an

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Speaker 4: Obama pointees, so they kind of ran headlong into some

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Speaker 4: partisan opponents.

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Speaker 3: But the three judges said no, like.

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Speaker 4: Give the district district court time to work this out

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Speaker 4: and the state remains in place.

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Speaker 3: But go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Well no, I was just gonna.

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Speaker 5: Say this was what was happening yesterday afternoon, the kind

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Speaker 5: of the broader context for what Musk and Trump we're

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Speaker 5: talking about. And I think there's a pretty good argument

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Speaker 5: that what the judge did was judicial overreach, which kind

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Speaker 5: of kicked off this entire debate between Vance World, and

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Speaker 5: people were curious how Mike Johnson would approach it, given

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Speaker 5: that he is he does have a constitutional law background,

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Speaker 5: and conservatives all came down or I guess I should

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Speaker 5: say the Trump allies all came down on the side

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Speaker 5: of not complying with the order, but then ultimately went

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Speaker 5: through the appeals process, So I guess. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: don't know if I should say balls in their court,

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Speaker 5: but if they want to just be out of compliance

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Speaker 5: with that, the ball is in their court. It just

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Speaker 5: it looks like they probably won't do that, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance comparing it to a general on the battlefield seemed

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Speaker 4: to me like a pretty huge stretch, like Congress had

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Speaker 4: Congress passes laws that, uh, you know, prescribe what the

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Speaker 4: federal government is able to do with with some records

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Speaker 4: and and who's able to access them and what precautions

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Speaker 4: have to be taken, and you know, the judge argued

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Speaker 4: that those laws appeared to be broken here and that

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Speaker 4: the executive needed to show cause that it was going

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Speaker 4: to comply with the law. So that felt to me

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Speaker 4: pretty standard and not kind of wildly outside it did,

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Speaker 4: like I understand the point where well, if you're even

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Speaker 4: barring the Treasury secretary from going down and like looking

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Speaker 4: at these data, then that sounds crazy. But the judge

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Speaker 4: did say that if if uh, you know that with

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Speaker 4: with pre clear parents, there could be there could be

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Speaker 4: access granted to you know, any any government officials that

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Speaker 4: were that were in addition needed The reason the preclarance

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Speaker 4: was required here is because the judge I think, felt

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Speaker 4: like they doje A people were being dishonest that they

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Speaker 4: said that this that these kids did not have read

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Speaker 4: and write access that turned out to be false. You

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Speaker 4: it could be an innocent mistake, which is what they're

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Speaker 4: trying to say it is, or it could be a

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Speaker 4: lie that they told. But either way, what they said

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Speaker 4: was false.

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Speaker 3: And so there does and and would.

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Speaker 4: Then uh, you know, create the breaking of a law,

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Speaker 4: and so for a judge to come in and say

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Speaker 4: you got to you gotta pause because you're breaking the law,

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Speaker 4: to me doesn't seem like they're the ones creating a

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Speaker 4: constitutional crisis.

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Speaker 6: Although there is this, I guess.

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Speaker 5: The other part of it is that the doge guys

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Speaker 5: are now government employees, which makes it more complicated. And

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Speaker 5: part of it is like, Okay, so Elon is throwing

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Speaker 5: his personal contractors at like I think that's how some

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Speaker 5: people are seeing it, But they've I don't want to

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Speaker 5: say carefully, but they did go through the process of

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Speaker 5: getting them actually employed. So like, for example, I think

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Speaker 5: Ella's was actually an employee of the Treasury. Now he's

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Speaker 5: at the State Department, right, big balls, He's at the

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Speaker 5: State Department now. So they are going through some of

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Speaker 5: the official processes, which kind of complicates the question a

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Speaker 5: little bit. Obviously, if they're out of compliance with the law,

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Speaker 5: they're out of compliance with the law.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, and I mean, we talked about this last week.

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Speaker 5: Must cause this a revolution, so this is like a

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Speaker 5: very legal revolution.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so, by the way, the other point that

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Speaker 4: must that jd Vance made in this tweet is that

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Speaker 4: a judge would never tell a prosecutor, you know, how

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Speaker 4: to prosecute a case.

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Speaker 3: JD.

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Speaker 4: Vance went to Yale Law School, and there's this joke

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Speaker 4: about Yale Law School that they don't teach the law

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Speaker 4: there because it's all about becoming like a basically a

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Speaker 4: corporate CEO or something, or a politician or a member of.

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Speaker 3: The deep state.

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Speaker 4: The idea that I didn't go to law school, but

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Speaker 4: the idea that a judge doesn't tell a prosecutor how

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Speaker 4: to prosecute a case is absurd, Like prosecutor, judges are

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Speaker 4: constantly throwing cases out, constantly telling a prosecutor that they

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Speaker 4: don't have enough evidence to go forward with X, constantly

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Speaker 4: telling them discharge actually doesn't fly, it's gone. So like

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Speaker 4: his examples there when he gets out of the like

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Speaker 4: you can't tell a general how to wage a battle

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Speaker 4: like After that, everything is suggests that he did not

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Speaker 4: actually go to law school, which is strange because we

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Speaker 4: know that he's for a fact, went to a very

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Speaker 4: good one and it was a very smart character.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just put this element up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: It was confirmed that Ella's now is at the State Department,

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Speaker 5: so we also are keeping an eye on what I

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Speaker 5: think Rian might be one of the biggest trends that

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Speaker 5: will develop over the next I don't know, like a

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Speaker 5: week or so. Probably probably over the course of the

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Speaker 5: next year, just depends on how all this happens. But

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Speaker 5: CNN read a piece yesterday inside the GOP's careful pushback

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Speaker 5: to Musk's Doge effort, or doggy effort, as you refer

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Speaker 5: to it. And one of the interesting parts of this is,

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Speaker 5: so here's Representative Don Bacon of Nebraska. He's saying, instead

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Speaker 5: of getting rid of everything, let's look at it selectively,

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Speaker 5: don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. And he

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Speaker 5: says he's supports shutting down the CFPV for example, that

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Speaker 5: Trump can't ultimately usurp Congress, and obviously Congress established the CFPB,

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Speaker 5: which you know creates quite a dynamic for constitutional conservatives.

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Speaker 5: But you know, there were years spent kind of developing

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Speaker 5: a plan for this muscular executive takeover and running. The

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Speaker 5: thing I find very interesting is in the House of

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Speaker 5: Representatives particularly, we saw some of this from Katie Britton Alabama.

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Speaker 6: The broad like.

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Speaker 5: Government reform DOGE mission is very popular with red state voters,

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Speaker 5: of course, and so are you going to end up

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Speaker 5: looking like, I don't know, I mean, do you end

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Speaker 5: up looking sort of silly, foolish, selfish if you're don

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Speaker 5: Bacon and maybe for bacon and Nebraska.

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Speaker 6: This is USA i D.

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Speaker 5: Sending a bunch of American grown farm products to different

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Speaker 5: parts of the world.

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Speaker 6: That's a did you know you start to you have

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Speaker 6: to answer that question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: A major thing that USA i D does is, as

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Speaker 4: Samantha Power you know, said just a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 4: the former director of IT, is it is it tries

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Speaker 4: to open markets for American corporations like it because it's

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Speaker 4: getting so much pressure, like you're finally having people talk

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Speaker 4: a little bit more honestly about what it does. And

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Speaker 4: you know, moving on from USA at all, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're just you know, we're just helping you know, feed

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Speaker 4: and you know, give food, medicine to the to the need.

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Speaker 4: Is like, no, okay, now we actually have to justify

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Speaker 4: what we're doing. Let's be more honest about what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things they do, yeah, is they

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Speaker 4: they work on behalf of American corporations and one and

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Speaker 4: agribusiness would be at the very top of that. You know,

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Speaker 4: the last Trump administration saw that a trade war lead

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Speaker 4: to a collapse in soybean prices for the Midwest, which

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Speaker 4: have which have never recovered. And so USAID's one of

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Speaker 4: USAID's jobs is to go in and find places where

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Speaker 4: the US agri business can sell it's it's product. And

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Speaker 4: so I'm sure Bacon part that's part of what Bacon

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Speaker 4: is talking about there. Yeah, And otherwise in the other place,

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Speaker 4: he says, look, all right, you don't like this spending,

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Speaker 4: let's redirect it, but let's do it the constitutional way.

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Speaker 4: Feels feel quaint, like, like let's like pass.

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Speaker 3: The law and do it.

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Speaker 4: He's like, his argument is that there's still a law.

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Speaker 4: And yes, I feel silly, like in the face of

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Speaker 4: a revolution, right, talking about process, right, because this is

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Speaker 4: what's going on. It's a revolution. And where's these home

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Speaker 4: monitors talking about the law. We happen to have had

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Speaker 4: this constitution in place for it like two hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty years. So it's it's kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 4: And I've been told my whole life that it's a

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Speaker 4: big deal, and I I apparently it's not.

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Speaker 5: Well, but this is the thing with the don Beacons

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Speaker 5: of the world is it's going to become a challenge

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Speaker 5: to stay consistent on wanting this quote revolution, and then

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Speaker 5: when the revolution hits your district, you say, well, we

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Speaker 5: don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Speaker 6: Give us carve outs that make sense.

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Speaker 5: And I say carve outs in a pejorative sense, because

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Speaker 5: I think you know in that case, it's easy to

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Speaker 5: support revolution when it doesn't affect your distract.

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Speaker 6: Or your constituents.

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Speaker 5: But it's really going to test the commitment to the

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Speaker 5: quote unquote revolution when it does like actually come home.

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Speaker 5: So one more point before we take off here for

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Speaker 5: this this block, it.

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Speaker 6: Looks like Big Balls.

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Speaker 5: He launched, as this reporter says, a privacy focused image

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Speaker 5: sharing site in twenty twenty one that allowed you just

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Speaker 5: to create custom URLs. The URLs that redirected to corsetine site.

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Speaker 5: That's Edward big Ball's corsotine reference the sale of child

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Speaker 5: sexual abuse material, racial slurs.

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Speaker 6: And rape.

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Speaker 5: Ran I didn't quite know what to make about the story,

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Speaker 5: to be honest, because I don't necessarily oppose creating different

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Speaker 5: tools like this, and we're reading into possible motives here

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Speaker 5: in a way that I'm as crazy as the whole

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Speaker 5: Big balls thing is, I don't want to jump to conclusions,

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Speaker 5: but what did you make of this?

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Speaker 4: So what makes this to me so shocking is that

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Speaker 4: it is specifically focused on encrypting images. It's specifically has

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Speaker 4: been used to have abused used by people who've abused

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Speaker 4: that in the way that you would expect, you know,

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Speaker 4: a site like that to be abused, and it goes

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Speaker 4: I do a lot of work that requires, you know,

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Speaker 4: encrypting our communications so that you know sources are able

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Speaker 4: to communicate with journalists and not be discovered by authoritarian

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Speaker 4: regimes who who would you know then torture and kill them.

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Speaker 4: And so encryption and privacy are very valuable things. If

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Speaker 4: you have a document that you were trying to encrypt

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Speaker 4: and keep secret from these authoritarian regimes, you have multiple options.

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Speaker 4: You can put it on an encrypted thumb drive, you

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Speaker 4: can put it on a laptop that is disconnected from

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Speaker 4: from the Internet and that and as long or you

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Speaker 4: can put it in and you can put that in

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Speaker 4: a safe like There are pretty solid things you can

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Speaker 4: do to protect your documents and keep them encrypted and

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Speaker 4: safe from those kinds of prying eyes. But notice the

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Speaker 4: characteristic that you still have when you're doing that you

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Speaker 4: are in possession of those document slash images. At that point,

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Speaker 4: I don't mind that because I'm not doing anything illegal.

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Speaker 4: A journalist is allowed to be in possession of classified

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Speaker 4: or secret documents that is well within the law. You

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Speaker 4: are not allowed to be in possession of other certain images,

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Speaker 4: which we're not even going to talk about here. Therefore,

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Speaker 4: the regime that I just laid out of protecting the

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Speaker 4: documents would not actually be sufficient. If your motivation was

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Speaker 4: to protect you from the legal implications of possessing those

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Speaker 4: kinds of images. What you would need is some encrypted

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Speaker 4: way to hold them somewhere else, on a different server

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Speaker 4: that you would still have access to, but that could

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Speaker 4: then not be connected back to you. And that is

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Speaker 4: precisely what mister Balls has designed here. And if he

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Speaker 4: did it, it's accidentally and just happened to be the

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Speaker 4: perfect vehicle for this type of exploitative imagery to be possessed,

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Speaker 4: but not possessed by perverts who should be in prison.

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Speaker 4: Then somebody should have told him, hey, you know, what

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Speaker 4: looks like what you're designing is going to is specifically

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Speaker 4: to be used for these types of people, and it's

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Speaker 4: a crime and you should be in prison for it,

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Speaker 4: or he designed it this way on purpose, like those

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Speaker 4: are those are the only two options.

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Speaker 5: Well, and what's crazy is so he's nineteen now, I believe,

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Speaker 5: and if this was twenty twenty one, you.

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Speaker 6: Do the math.

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Speaker 5: This kid was in his like smack in the middle

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Speaker 5: of his teenage years, creating which I'm sure defenders will say,

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Speaker 5: he's a brilliant young mind. And you know, that's the

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Speaker 5: type of person you want to bring into the government.

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Speaker 5: But obviously that's it's insane that you even have that

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Speaker 5: level of power on our current Internet when you're that

729
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Speaker 5: age potentially, so lots of news to talk about in

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Speaker 5: the Middle East, so let's move on to that. So

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Speaker 5: we learned more about how Donald Trump plans to approach

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Speaker 5: a potential peace in the Middle East. Ryan as yesterday

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Speaker 5: went along, this is just a very busy space. But

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Speaker 5: in the Oval Office press conference that we discussed earlier

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Speaker 5: in the show, he was obviously, unsurprisingly asked some questions

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Speaker 5: about this. Let's hear how he responded. This is after,

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Speaker 5: by the way, he met with King Abdullah of Jordan.

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Speaker 5: You can see this is the usual setup in front

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Speaker 5: of the fireplace at the White house. So he got

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Speaker 5: a question on that. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: We think we're making some very good progress.

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Speaker 1: You've said before that the US would buy Gaza, and

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Speaker 1: today you just said, we're not going to buy Gadza.

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Speaker 12: We're not going to have to buy.

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Speaker 7: We're going to We're going to have guys that would

746
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Speaker 7: have to buy. There's nothing to buy. We will have

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Speaker 7: Gaza that no reason to buy. There is nothing to buy.

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Speaker 7: It's Gaza. It's a war torn area. We're going to

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Speaker 7: take it. We're going to hold it, We're going to

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Speaker 7: cherish it. We're going to get it going eventually where

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Speaker 7: a lot of jobs are going to be created for

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Speaker 7: the people in the Middle East. It's going to be

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Speaker 7: for the people in the Middle East. But I think

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Speaker 7: it can be a diamond. It can be an absolute

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Speaker 7: tremendous asset for the Middle East. And you're gonna have peace.

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Speaker 12: It's going to bring peace in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: Okay, And so here's another response, just quickly. It's similar,

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Speaker 5: but he was asked a similar question and gave a

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Speaker 5: similar response to what we've heard. Still worth listening to, though,

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Speaker 5: for sure.

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Speaker 12: Only thing I can say is this is going to

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Speaker 12: bring stability and peace to the Middle East, and ultimately,

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Speaker 12: when it's developed, which will be in quite a while

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Speaker 12: from now, we want to the things calm down. But

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Speaker 12: when it's developed, it's going to bring tremendous numbers of

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Speaker 12: jobs to Middle East and including the people of your country.

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Speaker 6: Ryan a lot to work with there.

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Speaker 5: Again, similar to what Donald Trump has been saying for

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Speaker 5: the last week plus. But when he's confronted on some

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Speaker 5: really obvious questions about this, that's what he has to say.

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Speaker 6: What did you make of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every time.

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Speaker 4: And Trump also was asked multiple times in here whether

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Speaker 4: or not Palestinians would be able to return to Gaza

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Speaker 4: once this was redeveloped, which is the main objection that.

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Speaker 3: Palatinians would have to the plan. I think.

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Speaker 4: If there is a guaranteed right of return and there's

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Speaker 4: going to be reconstruction, there are negotiations around how that

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Speaker 4: can be accomplished that could easily reach agreement on all sides.

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Speaker 4: Every time Trump has been asked whether Palestinians would be

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Speaker 4: able to return, he has said no, and he has

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Speaker 4: used this strange formulation that they won't want to come back,

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Speaker 4: which is just confusing at best to anybody and just not.

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Speaker 4: It's not that confusing because it just makes completely clear

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Speaker 4: to everybody involved that this is an explicit plan to

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Speaker 4: get everybody out to ethnically cleanse the entire region. And

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Speaker 4: therefore the obvious Trump is not a moron. The obvious

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Speaker 4: response from Palestinians is going to be Okay, well, then

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Speaker 4: we're not leaving and and and you have blown up

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Speaker 4: the ceasefire deal because the ceasefire Deal says that more

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Speaker 4: than a week ago, negotiations around Phase two are supposed

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Speaker 4: to have already started. And negotiations around phase two mean

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Speaker 4: that Israel will leave the Philadelpha Quarter which is down

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Speaker 4: there by Rapha and Egypt, and will fully withdraw from Gaza.

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Speaker 4: All of the hostages will be exchanged, and reconstruction will begin.

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Speaker 4: That's that's what phase two is supposed to mean. If

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Speaker 4: and that is and that is a redevelopment, that is,

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Speaker 4: you know, for the people who live there. Egypt has

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Speaker 4: come out and put out a statement saying that they

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Speaker 4: support the general idea of reconstructing Gaza and that they're

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Speaker 4: willing to work with the United States to do this.

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Speaker 4: But of course the Palestinians have to be able to

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Speaker 4: stay the idea that that is where we're having some

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Speaker 4: level of argument is just nuts like there, because there

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Speaker 4: is no you know, you're you're getting no Arab buy in,

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Speaker 4: You're getting no Palestinian buy in without that, and the

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Speaker 4: US and Israel, absent a nuclear weapon, don't really have

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Speaker 4: the capacity to clear out all.

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Speaker 5: Of these people or the will you know, like you said,

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Speaker 5: like a nuclear weapon or yeah, like tunnel warfare, right,

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Speaker 5: good luck, it's on the ground tunnel warfare.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: This was Dropsite pulled this video of King Abdullah of

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Speaker 5: Jordan a comment that he made along these lines, which

815
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Speaker 5: was also rather interesting. Let's take a listen to what

816
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Speaker 5: he said in this presser with President.

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Speaker 11: I truly believe that with all the challenges that we

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Speaker 11: have in the Middle East, that I finally see somebody

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Speaker 11: that could take us across the finish line to bring stability,

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Speaker 11: peace and prosperity to all of us in the region.

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Speaker 11: And it is I think our collective responsibility in the

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Speaker 11: Middle East to continue to work with you to support you.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, we also have this video of Netanyahu talking about

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Speaker 5: a lot of what Ryan was was just mentioning the

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Speaker 5: collapse of the ceasefire deal.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a listen to what he said.

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Speaker 4: Right, So this is Netanyahu speaking in Hebrew to the

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Speaker 4: Israeli public after the Security Council briefing and basically saying

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Speaker 4: that because of what Donald Trump has offered to Israel,

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Speaker 4: they are demand they're they're uppering their demands, and they're

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Speaker 4: willing to go back to war starting on Saturday if

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Speaker 4: if all of the Israeli.

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Speaker 3: Demands are are are not met.

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Speaker 4: And you know, Jeremy Scalhe over at Dropsite reported some

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Speaker 4: of Nenyah Who's comments inside the security briefing, which I

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Speaker 4: think are really tell you exactly you know how this unfolded.

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Speaker 4: Net Yah who said to his to his council here

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Speaker 4: he said, quote, you wanted a day after plan, you

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Speaker 4: got one. It just it just doesn't match the Oslo narrative.

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Speaker 4: We won't repeat that mistake. So he's talking about Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump has now you know, forever ended Oslo and has

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Speaker 4: given them a day after plan that they did not

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Speaker 4: have before. So he said, quote, I've come back with

844
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Speaker 4: a vision without Hamas and without the Palestinian authority. We

845
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Speaker 4: know what complete victory is and we will not give

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Speaker 4: up on it. So what net Yah, who is saying

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Speaker 4: here is very clear Trump has opened the possibility of

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Speaker 4: complete victory, as he calls it, by which he means

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Speaker 4: the complete eradication of the Palestinian population in Gaza. And therefore,

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Speaker 4: whatever ceasefire agreement they reached before hand, it's pointless to

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Speaker 4: pursue when this revolutionary potential is in front of them.

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Speaker 4: So they are they are declaring their their intention to

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Speaker 4: go forward with this starting on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: So that brings us to this next post from your

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Speaker 5: colleague at dropsite, Jeremy Scahill.

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Speaker 6: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: He says, nine paragraphs into Today's New York Times store,

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Speaker 5: in the situation with the Gazza seaes fire, readers are

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Speaker 5: informed that israelly officials and international mediators quote said that

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Speaker 5: Hamas's claims.

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Speaker 6: Were act here.

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Speaker 4: This is an incredible moment because what Hamas has said

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Speaker 4: is that Israel, after a couple of days of letting

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Speaker 4: in some food in medicine, choked off AID again. And

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Speaker 4: also that Israel is a more than a week overdue

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Speaker 4: in sending negotiators as required to Dohat to negotiate phase

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Speaker 4: two of the agreement. And when they finally did send

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Speaker 4: negotiators they were who specifically forbid them from discussing phase

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Speaker 4: two and instead of just talking about some some loose

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Speaker 4: ends around phase one.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: That that is Hamas's claim. According to the mediators and

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Speaker 4: Israeli officials, Hamas's claim is accurate. It's kind of a

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Speaker 4: remarkable line from the New York Times and not remarkable

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Speaker 4: for them to bury it. You know, you read you

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Speaker 4: famously should read the New York Times from the bottom up,

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Speaker 4: and that's the that's the way to get you know,

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Speaker 4: the most accurate to the least accurate in information.

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Speaker 3: But so that's that's clearly what's going on.

880
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: And Hamas has put put out a statement last night

881
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Speaker 4: saying we continue to be willing to abide by the

882
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Speaker 4: ceasefire as long as the occupation is willing to abide

883
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Speaker 4: by the ceasefire, which they pointed out is guaranteed by

884
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Speaker 4: the United States.

885
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Speaker 3: So it is Hamas who.

886
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Speaker 4: Is standing up for the rules, the process, fairness, the

887
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Speaker 4: international rules based order. It's it's quite an ironic situation

888
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 4: if you're somebody that thinks that Hamas is a you know, barbaric,

889
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 4: lawless terrorist organization, when it is Israel in the United

890
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: States that cut a deal set and is now very

891
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 4: explicitly abrogating the deal in favor of complete eradication of

892
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: a population.

893
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 5: I mean, Hamas can still be a barbaric terrorist organization

894
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 5: and when its interests are to comply, to look compliant,

895
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 5: to come to the negotiations and say we're we have

896
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Speaker 5: all of our teas crossed and ice dotted.

897
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: We're all we're all barbaric. It's just what we do.

898
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 4: And Hamas here is trying to abide by the rules

899
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: that and trying to abide by their agreement.

900
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Speaker 5: So rhen you guys had drop site had a PDF

901
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Speaker 5: that we were going to go through as slides.

902
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: This document was published at drop site over by my

903
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: colleagues Jeremy's Cahill and Shreef del Caduce. This is this

904
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 4: is a Hamas document that they that they circulated among

905
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: the among the negotiators and those who were supposed to

906
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 4: be guaranteeing that the ceasefire agreement is is actually you know,

907
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 4: carried out, and so they you know, they argue here

908
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: and I'll go through this soul. You can actually just

909
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 4: find it at drop sidews dot com.

910
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

911
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: They continued flying drones. Israel continued flying drones.

912
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: They continued, you know, military vehicles remained in places where

913
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 4: they had agreed to remove military vehicles. They demolished homes

914
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: where they had agreed that they would stop demolishing homes.

915
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: They killed civilians after saying that there would be a ceasefire.

916
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 4: The release of prisoners was was delayed, delay in sending

917
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 4: lists of prisoners, and then you know some of the

918
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 4: things we've seen. Number nine here, families of the deported

919
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 4: prisoners were prohibited from joining them and from leaving the

920
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: West Bank human and this is the point they made

921
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 4: about humanitarian that the humanitarian aid was not getting in.

922
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 4: You can see how precise and detailed their complaints are.

923
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 4: Their fourth complaint, the denial of essential supplies. You can

924
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: see that there, as well as finally, the fact that

925
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 4: they have refused this is the key one political violations.

926
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Speaker 3: They've refused to abide.

927
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Speaker 4: By the terms that say it's time now to start

928
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: negotiating a phase two, and instead they have been publicly

929
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: saying that they will not in fact move on to

930
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: phase two. So just you know, as flagrant a series

931
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Speaker 4: of violations as you could have to an agreement, and

932
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Speaker 4: one that, as The New York Times reports, the mediators

933
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 4: and Israeli officials agree is accurate. So that's all like everything,

934
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Speaker 4: Like you don't have to trust to mass but if

935
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 4: you trust anybody else involved in this, everyone agrees that

936
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 4: that document that we just showed you is accurate.

937
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 5: I'm really interested to see how Steve Whitcough's, assuming his

938
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 5: role is ongoing in all of this. I'm actually pretty

939
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: curious to see how he deals with some of these

940
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Speaker 5: questions because I think one of the strange things, and honestly,

941
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 5: I would say so far like good things about wit

942
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 5: Coough rolling in as a businessman has been he looks

943
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 5: at some of the leverage on both sides and just like,

944
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 5: what the heck is going on? Like this is completely

945
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 5: we've been you know, obviously the United States has just

946
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 5: been approaching approaching this in a way that makes very

947
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 5: little sense. So Ryan in this case, it may be

948
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 5: very interesting to see how how Witcough handles these questions.

949
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll see if he could pull some rabbit out

950
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 4: of a hat here. But you know, I think the

951
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: you know, you know who smells blood in the water here,

952
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: you know, Trump has opened up to him a possibility

953
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 4: that is too tantalizing not not to at least, you know,

954
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Speaker 4: take take a shot.

955
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 5: At let's not take a look at this clip of

956
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 5: Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro talking to Steven A. Smith, who

957
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 5: was shouting us out a bit yesterday. Crystalin Sager was

958
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 5: shouting breaking points out a bit yesterday on x But

959
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: here's his question and answer with Josh Shapiro on his podcast.

960
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 13: But the first order of business is his position that

961
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 13: essentially the US wants to take over to Gaza.

962
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 14: Yeah, what was your reaction.

963
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 13: When you heard that and when you saw him standing

964
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 13: next to Benjamin NETANYAHUO, the Prime Minister of Israel whistling.

965
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 14: So I thought it was an unseerious proposal. I thought

966
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 14: it was a proposal that if he actually carried it

967
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 14: out the way he said he was, violates international law.

968
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 14: I thought it was deeply disrespectful to the Palestinian people.

969
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 14: I think it doesn't take into account Jordan and Egypt

970
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 14: and how they're going to feel about it. I thought

971
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 14: it was wrong. Look, I want these hostillies and I

972
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 14: want all these hostages home. I'm someone who believes that

973
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 14: there should be a two state solution. I want the

974
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 14: Palestinians to have a state that they can call their own.

975
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 14: I want them to live peacefully side by side with Israel.

976
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 14: I think what Donald Trump did was make that harder.

977
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 14: And again I thought it was really un serious and unhelpful.

978
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 14: At this time, you still got about one hundred ish

979
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 14: hostages that aren't home. Why would you do anything to

980
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 14: upset that process?

981
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 13: Now?

982
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 5: So, Ryan, what did you make of Shapiro's answer to

983
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 5: that question?

984
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. Trump is condemning.

985
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 4: These hostages to death with this plan, you know, Shapiro

986
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: is you know, Shapiro has been pretty has actually been

987
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: probably more critical of Israel than the standard than your

988
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: standard bog democrat. Like if you take the Median dem

989
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 4: and their position on Israel in general and also Israel

990
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 4: post October seventh, you will find that that Shapiro has

991
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: been more willing to criticize Israel than the average Democrat.

992
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 4: And so I wasn't surprised at all that that that's

993
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 4: a that and and what he's saying there is very

994
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 4: very much in line with kind of a liberal zion

995
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: Is two state solution kind of democrat, which is which

996
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 4: is I think what he proudly is.

997
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 5: Which is interesting because he's also seen as one of

998
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 5: the few Democrats who's been to your point, Yeah, like

999
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 5: a liberal. Zion is very outspoken in support of Israel.

1000
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: So it's like some some of that, I think it's

1001
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 4: just that he's Jewish, and so people kind of just

1002
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 4: assume that there's a little more like allegiance there or something,

1003
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 4: which probably you know, there's there's a little bit of

1004
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: bigotry there in that kind of assumption.

1005
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 6: Well, he was.

1006
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 5: Pretty tough after October seventh, and like I protest.

1007
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he went he went to a lot of signaling.

1008
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went.

1009
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: He went to war against protesters on on campuses. Like

1010
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 4: people have to understand where the Median Democrat is to

1011
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: understand that to be slightly a tick to the left

1012
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: of that doesn't actually mean you're not a very passionate

1013
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: Zionis supporter of Israel. It's just it's all on a

1014
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: kind of meaningless spectrum from the Palestinians perspective, you.

1015
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 5: Know, as somebody who's really seen right now is the

1016
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 5: future or the potential future, maybe a potential future leader

1017
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 5: of the Democratic Party. And you can hear him doing

1018
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: his like Obama impression slash Southern drawl for everyone in

1019
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: like what like southwestern PA.

1020
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 6: I don't even know.

1021
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 5: He, I guess is handling the question in a way

1022
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 5: that makes sense given that he wants a position himself

1023
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 5: as a leader of the Democratic Party going forward.

1024
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty eight, I guess I was told we

1025
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: weren't going to have any more elections. We'll see if

1026
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: we do.

1027
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 5: All right, let's move on to news now in Eastern Europe. Well,

1028
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 5: there's a lot going on when it comes to Donald

1029
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 5: Trump's plans.

1030
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 6: For how to end the war in Ukraine.

1031
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 5: It's almost as though he started his administration working on

1032
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 5: Israel and is now turning his attention to winding down

1033
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 5: the war in Ukraine. And he had some interesting comments

1034
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 5: yesterday at the White House about the minerals, the mineral

1035
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 5: situation in Ukraine.

1036
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 6: Ryan. This was an interesting line from Trump.

1037
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 15: I want to have our money secured because we're spending

1038
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 15: hundreds of billions of dollars. And you know, they may

1039
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 15: make a deal, they may not make a deal. They

1040
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 15: may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday.

1041
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 15: But we're going to have all this money in there.

1042
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 15: And I say, I want it back. And I told

1043
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 15: them that I want the equivalent like five hundred billion

1044
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 15: dollars worth of rare earth, and they've essentially agreed to

1045
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 15: do that. So at least we don't feel stupid. Otherwise

1046
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 15: we're stupid. I said to them, we have to think,

1047
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 15: we have to get something. We can't continue to pay

1048
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 15: this money.

1049
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 6: What did you make of that?

1050
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's it's interesting also in the context of

1051
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 4: Zelenski saying that the claims that we've sent one hundred

1052
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 4: and seventy seven billion worth of aid a military aid

1053
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 4: are false and that he's short one hundred billion. Unclear

1054
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 4: what exactly to make of that. You know, all of

1055
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 4: this is kind of pencil whipped together by us saying, well,

1056
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: these missiles are worth this, and we're going to send that,

1057
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: and we're going to count that towards the figure. But

1058
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 4: you know, more broadly speaking, this is this is the

1059
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: kind of bald Trumpian kind of truth telling around what

1060
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: imperialism and what it is and what it means to

1061
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: be a client state of the unit of the United States.

1062
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 6: Transactly.

1063
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, when he as you know, when he said,

1064
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 4: you know, my troops are in Syria to take the oil,

1065
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 4: like he said, if we were going to go in

1066
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 4: and invade a rack. It's it's we should, we should

1067
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 4: get the oil. It also kind of misunderstands Themerican Empire

1068
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 4: that just it assumes that because the American Empire doesn't

1069
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: say out loud that the reason everything it does is

1070
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 4: for the purpose of corporate profits and resource extraction, that

1071
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: therefore that's not what it's about, which is idiotic and

1072
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: naive in the extreme of course, like that's what we're doing. Why, Like,

1073
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 4: we didn't bring democracy to Iraq, justc and it just

1074
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 4: coincidentally happened to be sitting on a whole bunch of

1075
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 4: of oil. You know, we didn't. We didn't, We're not.

1076
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 4: It's just it's just so obvious to anybody who is

1077
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 4: paying like the most amount attention. So it's almost, I

1078
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 4: guess heartening to have it. It is spoken out loud. Okay,

1079
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 4: now you understand. This is why we are this is

1080
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 4: a reason we are supporting Ukraine. It's more about geostrategic

1081
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 4: I think, military confrontation with with Russia less than it

1082
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 4: is resource extraction.

1083
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: But it is it is also that well, it's kind.

1084
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 5: Of interesting because we're in this like weird reckoning where

1085
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 5: because Trump is taking this wrecking ball to the pretense.

1086
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 5: You also then hear people like Sam Powers coming out

1087
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 5: and responding by saying, well, okay, you know, she's not

1088
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 5: as direct as Trump, of course, but from Chris Murphy

1089
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 5: to her, you have people being like, yeah, this is

1090
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 5: all about empire and or research or extraction, and they

1091
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 5: say it in these terms that are still not you know,

1092
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 5: Trumpian transactionality, but they are being more honest about it

1093
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 5: because Trump is threatening the programs, yeah, and the ie.

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Speaker 4: From Ukraine's perspective, it must be so galling and offensive

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Speaker 4: because like Ukraine has lost hundreds and hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 4: of its people to this war. Ukraine did that, you know,

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Speaker 4: on behalf of you know, they were invaded, but they've

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Speaker 4: been you know, they did it at the at the

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Speaker 4: urging of the United States. There was a there were

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Speaker 4: peace talks underway in March of twenty twenty two that

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Speaker 4: the United States basically directed them to scuttle and continue

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Speaker 4: the war. So the idea that Ukraine would do what

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Speaker 4: we asked them to do, and we owe the and

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 4: Ukraine owes us all of their rare earths because we

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Speaker 4: sent our surplus weapons to Ukraine for the Ukraine to

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Speaker 4: fire them at Russia so we could test test our

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Speaker 4: weapons out and then replenish our stock has got to

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Speaker 4: be deeply offensive, Like what do I mean we owe

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Speaker 4: you like we're like Ukraine is the one that has

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Speaker 4: suffered deeply as a result of this, the idea that

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Speaker 4: they owe us.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they had a lot of agency and willingly

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Speaker 5: extracting their own resources to there's so much. I mean,

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Speaker 5: obviously people know the corruption in Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: You know, well, yes they had they had some agency,

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Speaker 4: but when you know, the US came in in the

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Speaker 4: post Soviet totally era and created this created an oligarchy,

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Speaker 4: Like we are the ones that built that oligarchy. So

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Speaker 4: did the you know what, what did an individual Ukrainian

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Speaker 4: have his or her disposal to do anything again?

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Speaker 3: You know about those oligarchs.

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Speaker 5: So let's even as we've been talking, Defense Secretary Pete

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Speaker 5: Hegseth was weighing in on this conflict. He's on his

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Speaker 5: first trip abroad, and he said basically that a return

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Speaker 5: to Ukraine's pre war borders is quote unrealistic, as the

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Speaker 5: New York Times has it here, really interesting, not surprising,

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Speaker 5: but quite an interesting comment there from Pete Hegseth on

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Speaker 5: his first trip abroad. He's at a NATO meeting in Brussels. Ryan,

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Speaker 5: it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is this is it like like

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Speaker 4: once you have the Secretary of Defense telling the Ukrainians

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Speaker 4: that it is an unrealistic object of an illusionary goal

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Speaker 4: and it's not going to happen, that you're going to

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Speaker 4: give up territory, then they have to give up territory

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Speaker 4: because that that means that that is the US negotiating

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Speaker 4: starting point. So obviously zero chance Russia comes back with

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Speaker 4: a proposal that restores all of Ukrainian sovereigny, so that

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Speaker 4: this is a this is a huge step for heg

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Speaker 4: Seth to say this out loud, and it comes as

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Speaker 4: let me see if you have this handy or should

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Speaker 4: I say.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, go ahead and.

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Speaker 6: Share that right now.

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Speaker 5: And it's also interesting just as I'm pulling it up

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Speaker 5: to think about there there were some actual questions about

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Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth and whether he was really like new Right

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: Maga or old right Maga, because he does come with

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Speaker 5: you know a lot of he said so many different

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Speaker 5: things over the years, like it's just an interesting kind

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Speaker 5: of question and people didn't know if he was like

1151
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 5: just still kind of a neocon with America First style.

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Speaker 5: But this is a pretty strong indication of where his

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Speaker 5: his foreign policy is headed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and from all the sources that I've spoken to

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Speaker 4: who who are close to heg Seth, they have been

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Speaker 4: they have been very clear and explicit to me that

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Speaker 4: this is a America First guy, like this is he is.

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Speaker 4: That that's who he is, whatever his politics may have

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Speaker 4: been in the past, Like there are a lot been a

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Speaker 4: lot of Republicans who have of you know, have evolved

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Speaker 4: into this America First thing, and some of some of

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Speaker 4: the conversions have been real, some of them haven't.

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Speaker 3: In some ways, it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Matter, because whether he meant what he just said or

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Speaker 4: whether he didn't mean it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: He said it.

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Speaker 4: And here let me add this this Hill articles. Basically

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Speaker 4: this this these comments.

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Speaker 3: From heg Seth comes after Zelensky has.

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Speaker 4: You know, open the door toward these negotiations in the

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Speaker 4: sense of, you know, there's some Russian territory in the

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Speaker 4: Curse region that that Ukrainian's control. He is saying that

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Speaker 4: they will swap some of that land for some of

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Speaker 4: the territory that Russia controls, and key in this in

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Speaker 4: his comments is that he said they're not prioritizing which

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Speaker 4: territory would be swapped. You know, there's all of it

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Speaker 4: is a high priority, which means that they're not talking

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Speaker 4: about demanding all of it. That there's that this this

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Speaker 4: is a implicit concession that Ukraine is going to have

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Speaker 4: to turn over some territory now at the same time,

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Speaker 4: Russia is demanding not just the territory that they currently control,

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Speaker 4: but additional territory that they claim they ought to have

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Speaker 4: some legal right to.

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Speaker 5: And we can say, also, we'll find out oh sorry, Renna,

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Speaker 5: didn't mean interrupt Oz and say, well, we'll also sort

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Speaker 5: of find out what Scott Besson's apparsonal all this is

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01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 5: too because Donald Trump posts country social yesterday that he's

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Speaker 5: like dispatching Bess in to Ukraine to end the war.

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Speaker 6: So similar kind of dynamic.

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Speaker 5: At play with Pete Hegseth and Scott Besson's or kind

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Speaker 5: of a litmus test.

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Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, and the cost to Ukraine of

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Speaker 4: following the US direction in continuing to wage this war.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be absolutely enormous.

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Speaker 4: It looks like there will there will be a much

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Speaker 4: worse deal on the table than than may have been achievable.

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Speaker 4: Whether or whether it was achieval or not, we don't know.

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Speaker 4: But the Ukrainians were basically blocked from from going for it.

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Speaker 4: And it is a very very blunt signal to other

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Speaker 4: countries around the world of what the price is for

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01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 4: following the directions of the United States. It's that there

1202
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Speaker 4: was that famous Kissinger quote where he says, it's it's

1203
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 4: dangerous to be an adversary of the United States, but

1204
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 4: to be a friend is deadly, and that was the

1205
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Speaker 4: case for Ukraine. You're now you've just today you've had

1206
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Speaker 4: multiple kind of European leaders bucking bucking the Trump administration

1207
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Speaker 4: and saying that what they need to do in the

1208
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Speaker 4: future is pivot towards China, a much more reliable partner

1209
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Speaker 4: and one that they see on the upswing. So the

1210
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: idea that like we're even losing Europe over at this

1211
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 4: critical moment looks like it's going to be the US

1212
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Speaker 4: against the world.

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Speaker 5: And let's actually watch this clip of Pete Hegseth because

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Speaker 5: we actually have the video.

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Speaker 6: So I'll rolle now, like you.

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Speaker 1: A sovereign and prosperous Ukraine, but We must start by

1217
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Speaker 1: recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre twenty fourteen borders is

1218
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Speaker 1: an unrealistic objective. The United States does not believe that

1219
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic outcome of a

1220
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: negotiated settlement. Instead, any security guarantee must be backed by

1221
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Speaker 1: capable European and non European troops.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: The benefit I think of watching that clip is you

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Speaker 5: see that's scripted. It's not a slip of the tongue.

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Speaker 5: It's not a offhanded comment. That was a really intentional

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Speaker 5: statement from the new Defense secretary. As by the way,

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Speaker 5: what you can see on your screen now is a

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Speaker 5: picture of a dead Ukrainian soldier's search history, which includes

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Speaker 5: if you're listening to this Ukraine Russian negotiations, Zelensky negotiations,

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Speaker 5: it goes on Putent talks Trump, when will the war end?

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Speaker 6: Is absolutely gut wrenching to see that.

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Speaker 4: It's just a poignant set of search results, because it

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Speaker 4: shows how desperate this soldier was for an end to this,

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01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 4: to this awful war it and it didn't come, and

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Speaker 4: it didn't come in time for him and for hundreds

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Speaker 4: and hundreds of thousands of others.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's insane that we have so little

1238
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Speaker 5: talk about the volume of casualties is in death like

1239
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 5: it is completely insane on both sides of this war.

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Speaker 5: And you can understand why, I think Ryan. Another interesting

1241
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 5: thing is there's Zelensky is now speaking the way that

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Speaker 5: he's speaking. There's a certain amount of pressure that he

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 5: has to be responsive to at at this point as well,

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01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 5: and in a way, Hagxeth and the Trump administration coming

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01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 5: down so strongly in their position on NATO and territory

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Speaker 5: is I'm sure welcome news to a lot of Ukrainians.