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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her Radio. We're back with another week of the

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast. I'm Ben. Everybody out there listening, uh,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's only best that we take the

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Speaker 1: top into this podcast um for another week and just

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Speaker 1: sit uh and say what if you months it's been

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Speaker 1: I was just getting prepped for this tonight, Ashley, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going wow, since Quarantine, let's start. At

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Speaker 1: Quarantine started, we went from a time of Tiger King

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Speaker 1: and TikTok videos into uh what else became really popular.

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Speaker 1: I just remember a ton of Tiger King talk for

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Speaker 1: a long time, a lot of reruns. I watched the

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Speaker 1: uh the nineteen Masters at one point and had a

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Speaker 1: great time doing it. And now we've moved into a

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Speaker 1: season of what feels like just a lot of learning

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Speaker 1: and a lot of listening, at least for you and

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Speaker 1: I and I know a lot of people out there

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Speaker 1: are saying, Hey, we've been doing this forever. We've been

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Speaker 1: advocating on behalf of black lives for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We've been advocating for our friends whose voices get shut

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Speaker 1: down in the masses for a long time, and and

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Speaker 1: actually you and I've done that in part right, Like

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Speaker 1: I spent a ton of my life in Central America,

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Speaker 1: I work for I run a company generous that our

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Speaker 1: only mission is to fight the injustice facing humans in

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Speaker 1: this world. Yeah, the parts of this embarrassed me most

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Speaker 1: about myself is and and admittedly is even in midst

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Speaker 1: that being the mission, I've never stopped to focus on

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Speaker 1: my neighbors next to me and my friends who are black,

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Speaker 1: saying listen up, listen to me. I'm hurting. And that's

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Speaker 1: why these last few weeks have been a lot of

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Speaker 1: learning for me personally. I agree. It's like I said,

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Speaker 1: last just completely opened my eyes and I just feel

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Speaker 1: so stupid sometimes for not seeing what was definitely around me.

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Speaker 1: This week is a podcast uh where were we will

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Speaker 1: be talking about this topic. We will be talking about

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Speaker 1: Black Lives matter. We will be interviewing people, especially within

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, who has really spoken up on the topics. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And some opinions have been agreed upon by us and

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Speaker 1: some have not, but we want to hear from them.

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Speaker 1: This is what this podcast has always been. It's been

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Speaker 1: a podcast to update people on what's going on in

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, and we won't stop this week because once again,

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Speaker 1: I'm like a broken record every dime I say it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it happens. We haven't had new

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Speaker 1: Bachelor content in a long time, yet Bachelor Nation has

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Speaker 1: not stopped filling the news waves. Uh. Starting with a

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Speaker 1: petition that's came out this week. UH. It's hashtag b

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Speaker 1: I P O C Bachelor. The tag line is it's

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Speaker 1: time We've seen multiple Bachelor franchise contestants uh participating this petition.

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Speaker 1: UH and Uh it says forty season, eighteen years. One

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Speaker 1: black lead, Rachel Lindsay has gone as far to say

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Speaker 1: that she will exit the franchise if diversity issues aren't addressed.

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Speaker 1: And that's what this petition is saying, is, Hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: we need more diversity in the Bachelor. I think it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's obvious, Like the numbers

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Speaker 1: point to it. You've had thirty total seasons, one black,

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Speaker 1: forty total seasons. Whatever it is, one black lead. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody's gonna argue that The Bachelor couldn't do better.

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Speaker 1: I will say that since I've been on the show,

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Speaker 1: it has been something that I've heard producers talk about

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Speaker 1: more and more and working on. I don't know the

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Speaker 1: casting side of things. I don't know how that works.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of that. I'm

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Speaker 1: very far removed from that, but I do know that

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Speaker 1: it is something that the Bachelor franchise really is trying

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Speaker 1: to focus on. But they could definitely do better. Right. Um.

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Speaker 1: Rachel says it's embarrassing, honestly to be affiliated with the

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Speaker 1: franchise at this point. Um, I think that there have

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Speaker 1: been an increasing number of people of color in the cast.

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Speaker 1: But she's right about the lead. I mean that that

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Speaker 1: is a crazy statistics forty seasons one lead. Um. If

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Speaker 1: you guys do want to sign this petition, you go

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Speaker 1: to change dot org. And it's a long ago hill.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read out for you guys, but

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Speaker 1: if you go to change dot org and then you

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Speaker 1: search a campaign for anti racism in the Bachelor franchise,

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Speaker 1: you'll be able to sign it. So far, two hundred

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Speaker 1: people who create aided the campaign. There's no like this

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Speaker 1: is not to try to end the franchise. This petition

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Speaker 1: was started to bring light to the the topics that

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Speaker 1: so that's where this petition started from. But it's all

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Speaker 1: who will continue to watch the show. So we started

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Speaker 1: on the batchelor. She admitted to check a box as

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Speaker 1: a Filipino woman. She admits this, and this is released

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Speaker 1: uh in US magazine Ashley tell Us about it. So

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Speaker 1: Catherine said, as Benjo said, when I was originally cast,

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Speaker 1: I was very flattered, but somewhat grounded by the fact

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Speaker 1: Sean liked. I thought that I was just there to

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Speaker 1: check a box, but the season ended with so much more.

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Speaker 1: She also said, I became present with the process, and

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Speaker 1: as he started noticing me for who I really was.

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Speaker 1: a mixed race community. This week has a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have been called out. There's been confrontation, UM, there

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Speaker 1: Garrett You're going in as mentioned before, had posted on

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Speaker 1: and Becca Martinez and UH came out against Garrett, saying

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Speaker 1: not okay, UH so that we don't speak for Becca.

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Speaker 1: We're actually gonna bring Becca on now UH to talk

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Speaker 1: to speak against Garrett publicly as promised. One of our favorites,

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Hello Becca, Hello, how are you guys? We're good,

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Speaker 1: But Becca, I have some questions for you real quick

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Speaker 1: brought you into. Uh, you're really close to your due date.

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Speaker 1: incredibly impressive whatever you're about to do. My question really is,

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Speaker 1: that's so fair. That is so fair, honestly. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: the first time around, you know, I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: to other things. You're having another You're having another at

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Speaker 1: to peekyback off that and just add one more thing too.

428
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: And I think that it's also important to know. I've

429
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people saying like, well, don't speak

430
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: on this because you weren't black, or I don't have

431
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: anything to say because I'm not black. Well, you know,

432
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Garrett isn't a cop, so but he can still empathize

433
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: with that experience, you know, like you don't have to

434
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: be something to be able to speak on it. People

435
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: have been talking about these variences of doctors and nurses

436
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: during COVID, like and nobody says like, are you a

437
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: doctor or a nurse? Can you speak to how hard

438
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: their experiences? Like what if we start applying that logically

439
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: to other areas, Like that's absurd, right, Like you don't

440
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: have to experience something directly to empathize or to speak

441
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: out about it. So so I just wanted to to

442
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: add that on come into solidarity with it, like to

443
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: come to try to try our best yet to support Yeah,

444
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard because like I was saying in

445
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: the beginning. Um, then I went on my own page

446
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: and posted some that I felt like my post itself

447
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: like I made myself very clear what I was saying,

448
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: and then I also included a very inflammatory photo which

449
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: now looking back on it, I'm like, did I have

450
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: to know? Probably not, Like do I do I like

451
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: disagree with it? No? But did that maybe make people

452
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: tune out when they needed to be tuning in? Yeah,

453
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: and like go back to what you're talking about with

454
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: tone police, right, Maybe I need to I not, Maybe

455
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: I know I need to work on policing my tone

456
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: to reach more people and there and it's it takes judgment, right,

457
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: and it takes learning, because there's a time to speak

458
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: up and say no, this is gonna piss you off,

459
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: but I'm going to fucking say it. And you know,

460
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people and someone who's just telling me today,

461
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, like Hannah Brown, she lost more followers with

462
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: her response, and she did when she said the N word.

463
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that up, because I was I

464
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: was just going to bring that up. I was just

465
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: gonna bring that up. There is a website out there

466
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: that tracks followers, how many gain, how many lose, your stats,

467
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff. In the two weeks that Hannah, you know,

468
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: was silent after saying the N word. She she I

469
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: don't know the number that she lost, but I do

470
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: know that in the weekend of her apology, the long

471
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: twenty minute one, she lost more followers after that apology,

472
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: and I am called. I've been repeating the stat to

473
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: like anybody who will listen over the past couple of

474
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: days because it is so mind boggling to me. But

475
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: it says it all like that's all I don't even have.

476
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: There's so much it avoids over explaining certain things because

477
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: like with that's that it just says everything. Yeah, the

478
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: same thing happened, I guess um. I mean that that,

479
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: like example, between those two of the lots of followers

480
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: is so says so much. But even other people, like

481
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: I guess um, someone was just telling me today that

482
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Maddie Kruett has been going to protests and like speaking

483
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: out and she also has lost a substantial amount of followers.

484
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: So you know, there's a time in place to be

485
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: like it and if you're going to tune out right now,

486
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: like that says a lot more about you than it

487
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: says a lot about me. I don't think that was

488
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: exactly the case with with um, with my with my

489
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: post um. But you know what I'm still seeing though,

490
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: is a lot of people who are missing the point.

491
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: So then I went on my page and I posted

492
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: my my own post, and I was basically talking specifically

493
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: about Blue Lives Matter, um, because I also knew that. Uh.

494
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: I also knew that Garrett had, based on his Instagram

495
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: likes and stuff, supported Blue Lives Matter before. And I'm

496
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: willing to bet, yes, this is an assumption percent willing

497
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: to bet that he supports the Blue Lives Matter movement,

498
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: which is in direct opposition was created in the direct

499
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: opposition of the Black Lives Matter movement. Um. But I

500
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: was just basically posting about how you know, being you

501
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: can't say blue lives because no one has a blue life.

502
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: This is just the basic of my argument. You no

503
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: one has a blue life. Being black isn't in uniform

504
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: you get to remove at the end of day. It's

505
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: not something to get paid for. It's not something you

506
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: can quit or retire from. It definitely isn't something that

507
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: protects you from the justice system, all of which are true.

508
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: For police officers, Yes, their jobs are very hard, and

509
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: I completely like, I don't know how many times I

510
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: can say like I do not. I am not anti

511
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: law enforcement, and I support the people in law enforcement,

512
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: but just as much I support the accountability of people

513
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: in law enforcement and making any move possible to eliminate

514
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: and hold accountable UM police brutality anyway. So, I mean,

515
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: I just saw a lot of people missing the point

516
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: and being like, well, I hope you never have to

517
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: I hope you never have to call the cops because

518
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: this is what you think of them. And I'm like, actually,

519
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: if you read through everything I wrote. Never once did

520
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I say I was in opposition two cops. And I

521
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: also got a lot of messages and comments too from

522
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: people who said, my father or brother or grandfather, whoever

523
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: sister is a law enforcement officer, and I agree with

524
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: this message and they do as well. Um, we and

525
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: we do not support the Blue Lives Matter of movement

526
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: because for so many, so many reasons. So it's like,

527
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've just been it's been disheartening to

528
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: see people twist it into kind of their there, into

529
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: the message they want it to be, so that they

530
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: can hate it. Can I make an assumption another assumption here,

531
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: saying blue lives matter is kind of the same these

532
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: days as saying all lives matter. Okay, I think so.

533
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure people will disagree, but I think

534
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: so because because being as again like Ben was saying,

535
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: what is it doing? The purpose of it is too

536
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: distract and detract whether or not that's the individual's intent

537
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: from the Black Lives Matter movement, which is what we

538
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: need to be focusing on right now and continuing to

539
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: focus on. I do want to make clear that we

540
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: did ask character come on here. He couldn't today, I

541
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: we want to show both sides to this, and um.

542
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Becca Kouferin, of course, his fiance, said on Friday on Instagram,

543
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: many conversations are being had between friends, family members, Garrett,

544
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: and podcast crew alike. Because I'm silent on my Instagram

545
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: right now doesn't mean that I'm silent in my life.

546
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Have you and Becca spoken? So Becca actually reached out

547
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: to me this morning and she asked we could talk

548
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: on the phone this week, and I said, like, yeah, absolutely,

549
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: and I just and I messaged her and I just said,

550
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: um uh, I said totally. And and with that, I said,

551
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear, um, I said, I

552
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: want to be fully transparent and let you know that

553
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: I don't feel any kind of allegiance or obligation to

554
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: caudle any of my friends partners on our offline. But

555
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: that being said, I see people's partners of separate entities,

556
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: and I don't associate their partner's views or attitudes with

557
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: them necessarily, And so I just wanted to let her

558
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: know that upfront, and I'm looking forward to chatting with her,

559
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to like, I mean, it's not

560
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: really it's I don't it's it's not like I mean,

561
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: I know Garrett posted his whole story to like you're

562
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: not invited over anymore and all that, but that's what

563
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, so like you're now not invited.

564
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Becca's Becca's Garrett and Garrett's Garrett.

565
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: I I love Becca and I have a lot of

566
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: respect for her, and I'm really, by the way, looking

567
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: forward to her episode chatting with Rachel about this um

568
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and Garrett is Garrett. I don't particularly like Garrett. I'm

569
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: not interested in having to dinner with them, and I

570
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: do hope that. I mean, it doesn't affect my relationship

571
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: with Becca, just to be totally honest, I mean, and

572
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: she knows this too. It's not like we've been super

573
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: close the past year or so, not for any particular reason,

574
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: but that's just kind of how that goes. But I

575
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: do think there is a little bit of a misconception

576
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: to in Bachelor, quote Bachelor Nation, or like in the

577
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Bachelor Family that like someone you were on both on

578
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, like you are friends or like you should

579
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: met because people were like, oh, you should have messaged

580
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: Garrett privately, and I'm like, well, I don't know Garrett

581
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and he's posting this publicly, and I think it's fine

582
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: to also respond to it publicly. And I don't know,

583
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I I and I just see that that kind of way.

584
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: In general. I think it's a little different when you're

585
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: close friends with someone, but like in the case of

586
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Hannah Bran too, when someone has a very large public

587
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: platform that they profit off of and spread messages from,

588
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I think it's totally fine for them also to be

589
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: held accountable on those public platforms by other people in

590
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: public positions. Anyway, Well, Becca, thanks for coming on this

591
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: platform and talking with us. I'm sorry. I feel like

592
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of that was kind of like disjointed and

593
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: my head's kind of been a jump just talking about

594
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: this on the podcast the past couple of hours, and

595
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure I could have been a lot more clear

596
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: and concise. But thank you so much for having me

597
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: on Where Else can People Find You? Uh? And what like,

598
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: what's your podcast called? Where Can They Find You? Yeah?

599
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: So podcast is Chatty Broad's and um so Tuesday, uh,

600
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: Tuesday the ninth, we will be relea seeing an episode

601
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: kind of talking about everything that's gone down in Bachelor Nation,

602
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: um of the past week. In the week of George

603
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: Floyd's murder, so Chatty Broad's UM and then of course

604
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: Instagram to uh, there's always a lot going on there

605
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: and the baby's coming soon. I want to wrap this

606
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: up by saying that you made a thousand dollar donation

607
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: to the National Police Accountability Project in Garrett's name. Can

608
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit more about this? Yeah, I

609
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: mean so he called me. He screenshotted my comment on

610
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: apparently he blocked Nick, which he hasn't blocked me, so

611
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm insulted by that. Um. Instead of blocking me, he

612
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: screenshotted my comment, and I wrote this thing on his

613
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: story saying like, remember when you told Becca you loved

614
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: me and and and you were sorry for everything you

615
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: said about me, Like it turns out you never got

616
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: to know me and you're not invited over whatever whatever.

617
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: And then I responded back to him in our d

618
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: M s and our private DM and I just said

619
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I said sorry for giving you

620
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: so much because at the time I thought cared and

621
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you do anymore. Anyway, He's screenshotting that

622
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: and then put that on his story, to which I'm like,

623
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why you did that because you didn't

624
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: really make you look any better and you just now

625
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't have to say anything because you did the

626
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: work for me. But I was like, do I post

627
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: about this? And I'm like, no, that this is that.

628
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I can be pretty competti, but I was like,

629
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually accomplishing anything. And that's another thing.

630
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: Like Garrett had the time to talk about me on

631
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: his stories. We didn't have a time to talk about

632
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: black lives matter on his story, so that's all the

633
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: same on that. But I was like, Okay, how can

634
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I be petty and productive at the same time. Oh,

635
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: I'll just do a donation to the Police Accountability Fund

636
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: in his name. And I didn't and you could see

637
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: it in really small letters, but I think a lot

638
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: of people still caught on and I had fun with

639
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: it and was it petty, yes, But I also got

640
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: a lot of screenshots from people also donating to the

641
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Police Accountability Fund after, so that was kind of fun

642
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: cool way. So that's how I'm That's how I'm going

643
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: to be doing my pettiness, moving for the productive, trying

644
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: to be more productively petty productive pettiness beca Martinez. Thanks

645
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: for coming on the Almost This podcast. You're the best

646
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you soon. Good luck this week

647
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: for you by and just want to refer back to

648
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: what Becca and I were talking about about Hannah's social following.

649
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: I didn't do the research on it. I read an article,

650
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: so because I haven't looked at the numbers myself and

651
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: done the math, I don't want to say that has

652
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: um lost that many followers in the periods of time

653
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: that I refer to, But it is on social blade

654
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: dot com. If you can, you can do the math yourself.

655
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: It's wild, Ashley, I never even knew this stuff existed.

656
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: As you two were talking, I was looking on my

657
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: Instagram to see what's going on in my stuff this week. Uh,

658
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: it's been an enormous amount of people that have unfollowed me.

659
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what that says. Let's say

660
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: that FOS this week. Yeah, I don't. I don't know

661
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: what that says. I don't think it says anything good.

662
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not mad about it. I think I've

663
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: asked people who are are not going to support the

664
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: lives of black men and women across the world to unfoled.

665
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: It's not really people that I want following me in

666
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: the first place. But I didn't realize it was going

667
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: to be this many, this many people felt that way.

668
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm boggled, truly, mind boggled. Alright, Ash, well,

669
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Speaker 1: let's take a break here. When we come back, we're

670
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: an interview some of Shan Lowe's past contestants uh and

671
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: uh and hear what they think of their season re

672
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: airing on ABC. So you guys know that in uh January,

673
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: we had a really cool event. It was our almost

674
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: famous podcast live in San Francisco, so many of you

675
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: came out and it encouraged us to want to do

676
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: it in far more cities across the country. But because

677
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: of COVID, we won't be able to do that this year,

678
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: so we're gonna do something else. Um adapting to the times,

679
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a live virtual podcast so we can

680
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: have a live audience but still say stay still, say still,

681
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: stay safe. We're gonna do it on June twenty two,

682
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it from four to five Pacific time.

683
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of happy our time, So grab a glass

684
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: of wine and talk Bachelor with with us. Ben tell

685
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: them where they can get tickets and how much it

686
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: costs and how how we're gonna do this deally, Yeah,

687
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: this is a big deal. We're super bund that we

688
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: already able to get out with you all this year.

689
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: We really wanted to, as actually mentioned, So if you're

690
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: interested in this once again this June from four to

691
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: five pm Pacific time. Ticket price is nine dollars and

692
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Since that's nine, its nine nine tents to

693
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: hang out with Ashley and I uh, I'll pay for

694
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: a ticket just to hang out with you, Ashley. So

695
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: that's the deal I'm gonna make. I'm gonna buy a ticket,

696
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: so I'm like everybody else if we're gonna ask our

697
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: fans to buy tickets, I'm gonna buy a ticket as well,

698
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: just to be able to hear your voice and see

699
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: your face live and in person. Here's the ticket leak.

700
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: You can go to www dot c y A dot

701
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: live slash event slash to one seven two. The c

702
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: y A platform is like Instagram Live meets zoom meets

703
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: Netflix Party. We will be able to chat live with you.

704
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: We'll have a cool celebrity guest and a live question

705
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: answer just like our live shows. It's gonna be great.

706
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: It's hey, what else are you gonna be doing? Come

707
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: join us June two from four to five p m

708
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: once again. The link is www dot c y a

709
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Speaker 1: dot live slash event slash two one seven to We'll

710
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: see you there and we will be probably talking about

711
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: one of the Bachelor the greatest seasons ever? Is that

712
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: what it's called? Because I just want to call it

713
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: Bachelor's Greatest Hits? Can I on this podcast going forward

714
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: for the next time weeks just call it Bachelor's Greatest Hits?

715
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: It just rolls off my tongue better. Okay, great, So

716
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that there and after this break,

717
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: we are going to be talking to some of the

718
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: girls from Sean Low season, which we got to revisit

719
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: last night. Um, and it'll it'll be cool to see

720
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: where they are today seven years later. I'm blown away,

721
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: blown away that we get this opportunity to reconnect with

722
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: some of the people that I grew up watching in college,

723
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: some of my after I vividly remember watching this in

724
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: grad school. It was one of the last seasons that

725
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: I watched before being in the casting process myself. So

726
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I remember all my friends been like, would you ever

727
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: sign up for this, and then being like, yeah, I

728
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: definitely would, and then being inspired by this and does

729
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: this season and being like, Okay, I'm gonna send it in. Well,

730
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: take a break, Ashley, and our dreams will come true. Uh.

731
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Talking to some of our Bachelor favorites right after this.

732
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: You know what, Actually I talked about it at the

733
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast. Right now, the Bachelor is coming

734
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: out with new content and it's Ashley, what are you

735
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: calling it? I'm calling it The Bachelor's Greatest Hits. Well,

736
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: the Bachelor's Greatest Hits starts tonight, and as you just

737
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: heard the adorable laugh of Ashley Frazier, we have her

738
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. Hello Ashley, Hello everybody. How are you?

739
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: We're good? How are you pretty good? Just you know,

740
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: living life after So how weird was it to rewatch

741
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: your season and have it aired to the public again

742
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: when Bachelor Nation is bigger than ever and certain more

743
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: vocal than ever. Yeah, definitely. I think it's It's an

744
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: interesting time. I think it comes at a good time

745
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: because it was a good time to beyond Bachelor, you know,

746
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: because it wasn't everyone wasn't invested in social media, and

747
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: so people's minds were set a little different than and

748
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: you didn't have this like, oh, well, whatever, when I

749
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: get home, I'm going to be Instagram famous, you know

750
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: So I think that that kind of gives you. Um,

751
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just a little different way to

752
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: think about it, you know. So, But a lot of

753
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: people have been reaching out and wondering how I feel

754
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: about a lot of things that happened on the show

755
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: now that it's been I didn't even know how many years,

756
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, So it's interesting seven years have been seven years,

757
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: you're a runner up on Shawn's season season and now

758
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: you are happily married, you have your second child on

759
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: the way. But is it weird to have this older

760
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: love story airing now when you're married? Like, what does

761
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: your husband think of all this? He actually, he's surprised

762
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: me because we don't really talk about it too much

763
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: unless someone else brings it up or is watching and

764
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: ask questions. But she was kind of like, oh, this

765
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Like I think he's he realizes it's

766
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: been so many years as part of our lives behind

767
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: the scenes, so now for it to be on. He's

768
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: actually a really good supportive about it. I thought he

769
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: was gonna be kind of weird at out, because I'm

770
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: pretty sure I would be weird about But then again,

771
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: it's so long ago too, so I don't know. Is

772
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: he gonna watch it. I don't know. I need to

773
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: ask him. He's at work right now, but I was

774
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: wondering the same thing earlier. I have to ask, Hey,

775
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: might I don't think they're going to show the entire thing,

776
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: so um, I'm sure he'll watch. He'll tune in on

777
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: some of it. He'll probably give me a hard time

778
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: about some of it too. Well, Jessica, my fiance has

779
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: zero interest in watching my season, and I don't blame her,

780
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: like zero interest. Well, and a part of it is like, hey,

781
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: I just think it's unhealthy a little bit weird to

782
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: see a proposal to somebody else when you're in planning

783
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: on your wedding. But it is always that interesting dynamic

784
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: of kind of are you intrigued are you not intrigued?

785
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: So back to you, though, are you intrigued to watch it?

786
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: I am, because there's a lot of things that I

787
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: don't remember, and so I kind of want to know, like, oh,

788
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: how is that again? Or you know, what really happened? Um,

789
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: because I didn't really watch a lot of my season

790
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: because at that point when it aired, I was still

791
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: so emotional about everything that it was hard, and so

792
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: now out it seems like it's almost almost like it

793
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: wasn't me in that space, and so now I'm like, oh,

794
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I come from a totally different way of looking at it,

795
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, you know, what, is there

796
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: any particular moment in the season that you'd be not

797
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: excited to watch back? Oh? Yeah, there there's some romantic moments,

798
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: And I know that they're gonna be airing some parts that,

799
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: um is that are unseen footage, and so I'm interested

800
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: to see what that is. You know. But what people

801
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: don't realize is they had they had me cast as

802
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: like a serious girl, like mother of the house type person.

803
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun and we giggled

804
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: and left and it was a lot more fun than

805
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 1: was ever aired. And so I hope that they maybe

806
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: show some of those parts too. I doubt it, but

807
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: they make you know, they may so. Yeah, asked as

808
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: somebody who's seen the you know, the whatever whatever we

809
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: call them, a screener, Um, I feel like that's the

810
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: only thing I'm disappointed in is that we didn't get

811
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things that we've never seen before.

812
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: I think this was a great opportunity to use like

813
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: funny scenes of the girls bonding or yeah, yeah, you know,

814
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: like those those moments that you when you watch your season,

815
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I can't believe they didn't

816
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: make that into the final cut. We didn't get that.

817
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be different for the

818
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: follow for the you know, following couple of weeks, but

819
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: that was my only complaint about it. Yeah, yeah, that

820
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: would be really good. And I think the audience wants

821
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: to know that too, because they ask a lot of

822
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: questions that throughout all these years, they've asked questions of

823
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes or what didn't we see or

824
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: what was your best part? What was your best memory?

825
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: And so it'd be nice to see other parts as well.

826
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: Added in, I mean, they could probably do a whole

827
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: new show with the season, right. Yeah. And then with Catherine,

828
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: she was like the most dark horse winner. That's probably

829
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: one thing that people say to me. One of the

830
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: top ten things people say is I saw that for nowhere,

831
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: because that came in from nowhere, So I thought this

832
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: would have been a great opportunity for them to show

833
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: their chemistry before the Top four, because I think that's

834
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: when it started to become more clear to us as

835
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: an audience that she was somebody that really had Sean's attention.

836
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, they can kind of

837
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: show us the depth that they had going into that.

838
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: But we didn't get that either, which you know, bummed

839
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: me out or maybe my memory doesn't serve me well.

840
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: And these were additional scenes that we've never seen, but

841
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: there was nothing that really added to the story. Yeah, yeah,

842
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I would actually like to see

843
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: that too, because obviously I was invested in my season,

844
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, and um, while I do believe he absolutely

845
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: made the right choice for him, um, I just I

846
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: still love the love story even if I wasn't the one,

847
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, So it would be nice to see. Yeah,

848
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: m hm. That brings me to the you know kind

849
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: of our final question, did you being in the season

850
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: yourself knowing now eight years later it's gonna be played back?

851
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: What about desire being the Bachelor at was that a shocker?

852
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Because I think, again I get that question a lot

853
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: of desert being the Bachelor. That was a shocker. Yeah,

854
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't because I knew Lindsay wasn't interested, and then

855
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: when we had talked about it, at first I was,

856
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: and then I kind of backed out of it because

857
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: I felt, um, I think it was a mutual agreement,

858
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: but I felt like my husband wasn't there, and I

859
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: had several conversations with people, with production people and just

860
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: feeling like that wasn't my direction. As much as someone

861
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: would want to do that, it's not for everybody. And

862
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: what makes that decision hard is, you know, the whole

863
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: final after the final Rose, when Sean had told me

864
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: whatever he said about his feelings, well, all I kept

865
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: replaying in my head was, gosh, what if I got

866
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: caught up like that too, and then I accidentally tell somebody,

867
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: or I start to have feelings for two people or

868
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: three people and I say the wrong thing and I

869
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: hurt somebody, Or what if I had to play along

870
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: and keep somebody that I'm completely not interested in, but

871
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: I have to have seventeen people, or I have to

872
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: have ten people. And so I just, deep down inside

873
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't know how well I could

874
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: play along with that, And so that kind of made

875
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: the decision what it is. But as far as desire,

876
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, people people are pretty shocked because they were

877
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think everyone tells whomever they're in front of, oh,

878
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: you're my favorite. You know, when you're in public, they're like, oh, Ashley, ah,

879
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: you're my You're the best. And then Ben, you're the

880
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: best bachelor theyre ever was you know, people tell you

881
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: that to your face, and so I've always heard like,

882
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: I wish you would have been it, and so I

883
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I think she was good and I'm at

884
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: the end of the day, she looks, she's married, she's happy,

885
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: she kind of family, and so it was right for her. Definitely. Yeah,

886
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: they say it to your face, they say you're the

887
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: best bachelor ever. They turn around, they go, yeah, right,

888
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: we have so many better. You're kind of saying that.

889
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: You feel like because you and Lindsay didn't want it,

890
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: that like des was defaulted the bachelor. I don't know,

891
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: to be honest, because you don't. I don't. I never

892
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: got back story on it, um and I've never actually

893
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: sought to ask, but um, I know that they didn't

894
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: ask Lindsay because she or they may have asked her

895
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: but she was already in a relationship as soon as

896
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: she got home, so and then I don't know if

897
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: they talked to anybody else from my season, but I

898
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: know it was between for sure, between us myself. Okay,

899
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: so um, I just want to say one more thing

900
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: about this episode. It was so great seeing Lindsay again

901
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: because I feel like she was super forgot and then

902
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: we got kind of got to see what she what

903
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: she's been doing. I think that like a lot of

904
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: hardcore bachelor fans follow you on Instagram and they're able

905
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: to they've been keeping up with your life and then

906
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: with does his life, and then of course Catherine and Shawn's.

907
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: But then she was just kind of like a ghost afterward,

908
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: and even Chris Harrison was like, seven years, we haven't

909
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: talked to you, And it was really nice to see

910
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: like she's kind of found her happily ever after. Yeah,

911
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: I know she I've been following her from the beginning.

912
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: She's one of my favorite people because she's just so

913
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 1: genuinely sweet and kind and I was actually a little

914
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: surprised if they wouldn't end up together, her and Sean

915
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: because I saw more of her corny, like cheesy side

916
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: that Sean has. Then I did friend Katherine. You know,

917
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: now we see it from Catherine probably, you know, because

918
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: we see it from Sean a lot. But um, I

919
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: always thought it would be Lindsay. You know, we not

920
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: from the beginning, but like towards the end, I was like, wow,

921
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: they're very similar in personality. Yeah, I can see that.

922
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: All right. Well, Ashley, thank you so much for coming on.

923
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: And it was really cool to you know, catch up

924
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, it was good to talk to you guys. Bye,

925
00:53:48,280 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: okay bye. One of the best things about The Bachelor

926
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: Greatest Hits is we, as Chris Harrison said, we get

927
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: to see some of Bachelor Nation's favorites once again on

928
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: our TV screens, and our guests today are definitely some

929
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: of the favorites ever on The Bachelor. Sarah Herron is

930
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: joining us right now on the Almost Famous podcast. Hello Sarah, Hi,

931
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: how are you? Guys? So good? We're good? How are you?

932
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm good. It's so good to hear your voices, and

933
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: it's been forever since we've talked. Definitely, Oh, you're so sweet.

934
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that it was really cool

935
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: to see, like how you were the first person on

936
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: the show, I think, who was very open about having

937
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: a disability and you and you talk about it so eloquently.

938
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: How did like, if you were in somebody else's season,

939
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: do you feel like you would be able to be

940
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: as comfortable with it? Did? Was Shaun a big factor

941
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: in you feeling okay talking about it? Um, It's it's

942
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: interesting that you put it that way, because I actually

943
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: feel like so much has changed in seven years, and

944
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: so much has changed around my confidence and ability to

945
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: talk about being physically different and being able to talk

946
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: about having a disability. So when I look back on that,

947
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: I cringe because I know watching you here talk about it,

948
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, like in the recapped version, I know, Well,

949
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: it's it's just, you know, so much growth has been

950
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: had and and like I said, for me, it's like

951
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: cringe worthy to watch it because I just feel like

952
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: today I'm able to talk about myself and my difference

953
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: is better. But you know, I did feel really uncomfortable,

954
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: I'll admit it at the time because it was new

955
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: for me to talk about such like personal personal, vulnerable

956
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: content with a total stranger, let alone on TV. So

957
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: it was really nerve wracking. But I just remember Sewan

958
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: was fortunately really comforting and such a kind person that

959
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: it made it that much easier. Are you still in

960
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: good touch with them today? Are you friends with Catherine?

961
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: I am like we I wouldn't say we're close, but

962
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, we remained friends on Instagram. And I think

963
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the last time I saw them was at one of

964
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: The Bachelor in Paradise after like one of those after show. Um,

965
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: remember when they were doing that. So I think that

966
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: was like the last one I saw them forever ago. Yeah,

967
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: I think that was season and three A Bachelor Paradise. Yeah. Yeah.

968
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: What's it like leading up to watching this back? Sarah?

969
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: You mean this came out of nowhere. I think for

970
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: all of us, all of a sudden, the bachel says, hey,

971
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: seasons are coming back on, and we're all like, we

972
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: don't get to say okay, uh yeah, well fortunately for me,

973
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean then I think you're in a more difficult position.

974
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,959
Speaker 1: But it's like it's I'm super nervous. Like I said,

975
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: seven years ago is crazy. It's a crazy amount of time,

976
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: especially coming from being twenty five years old to now

977
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: being thirty three. It's just I feel like I was

978
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: a different person, same person, but younger, and so it's

979
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm nervous, I'm my stomach is in knots. It's just uncomfortable.

980
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: Is Dylan, your boyfriend of three years, gonna be watching

981
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: this and this is it gonna be weird for him? Yeah?

982
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: So he is going to watch with me. He's never

983
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: watched any of my seasons, although in like the last

984
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: year or two of dating, I've roped him into watching

985
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: with me. Um from time to time. So he's going

986
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: to watch tonight. He's not stoked about it. I'll be honest, Um,

987
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: I think it's just like a little uncomfortable, and it's

988
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for me. I don't know. I'm like, I don't

989
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: want him to see any back then, but it'll be fun.

990
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: It's all part of the experience. I want to go

991
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: back to your disability for a second. Is it hurtful

992
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: to see that they haven't had anybody else with a

993
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: disability in the season since years? Um? It's I think

994
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: the word I would use is surprising, not hurtful necessarily,

995
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: but I guess I'm just surprised because so many people

996
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: are living with physical differences in the whole range of

997
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: like there's a whole spectrum, right, You can have invisible disabilities,

998
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: you can have visible disabilities and UM, and so I'm

999
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: a little surprised that there hasn't been more representation. UM.

1000
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: Hopefully that will change. And I was just gonna say

1001
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: that it feels very weird for me to call you

1002
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: have a disability, and then I was reminded when you

1003
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: just said that you like to call it a physical difference,

1004
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: which I much prefer. Yeah, I don't know, I just

1005
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: never Everyone has their own way of of their preference

1006
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: for how they want to call their physical difference. And

1007
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: for me, just growing up, my mom and my dad

1008
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: never taught me to really say that I had a disability.

1009
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: So for me, I just my lane was physical difference.

1010
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: But everyone has a different um way that they prefer

1011
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: to be called. I want to talk a little bit

1012
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: more about this episode and what what I've seen as

1013
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: I've seen the screener. I now you're pretty open about

1014
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: the fact that we were recording this on Monday afternoon.

1015
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: It's a couple hours away from Sarah being able to

1016
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: see it live. She didn't get a screener, but you'll

1017
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: be able to answer these these from memory anyway. We

1018
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: are really reminded in this episode that Tierra is oh

1019
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: a little lackey, the most maybe the most extra person

1020
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, Definitely craving attention, always getting quote I

1021
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: don't quote hurt, I don't. I don't know. Maybe she

1022
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: truly was hurt in those instances. But what was Tierra

1023
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes? Is it what you see is

1024
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: what you get? I'm so interested in this question. This

1025
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: is like the this is my biggest takeaway from the

1026
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: whole episode is like this, Oh my god, Okay, are

1027
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: you guys going to have her on this show? No? So, actually,

1028
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: since you didn't see this, Chris Harrison tells us on

1029
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: the three hour episode that they had asked and asked

1030
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: for her to come on and she refused to come on,

1031
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: So she really doesn't want to be any part of

1032
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation anymore. Yeah, wow, Okay, I'm not surprised to

1033
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: hear that. But because she's always been that way, it

1034
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: was like, as soon as the show wrapped she went

1035
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: silent on social media. It was really, I think, really

1036
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: dramatizing for her to see it play it all play back.

1037
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: But um, with that said, Tierra in the house, you know,

1038
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: I remember, like most cases with the quote unquote villain

1039
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: um sometimes like they're not as bad as the edit um.

1040
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: And I had a harder time seeing it at first

1041
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: because I was Tierra's roommate, so we shared a bunk.

1042
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: And then when we started traveling, for some reason, Tira

1043
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: always got her own room. And I don't know if

1044
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: it was a request she was making or or what,

1045
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: but she would always be put in her own room

1046
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: with me. And so like I remember when we got

1047
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: to Canada, UM all of the ladies were in one

1048
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: big bedroom that was like Madeline style with bunks just

1049
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: lined up. But then Tira got to be in her

1050
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: own presidential suite. There's mentioned that she had like a cot,

1051
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: like she was always sleeping on a cot. Maybe that

1052
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: was separately, yeah, maybe, but just separate. And so I,

1053
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, I started to see that draw wedge for sure,

1054
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: and I felt in an uncomfortable position because I was like, well,

1055
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't really understand I'm always staying with Tira. I

1056
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: think I was a little bit of a safe place

1057
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: for her UM. But then I knew the rest of

1058
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: the women in the house really didn't like her UM,

1059
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: so it was really tough to be kind of in

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01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: the middle. But I will say it was. It was

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01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: just con cent drama. There was always something that like

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01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: Tierra needed attention for, and you know, that's it's just

1063
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: a weird situation. I had never been put into that.

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01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have I have a half sister,

1065
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: but I've never grew up with sisters. I've never lived

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01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: in a house full of girls. And to just see,

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01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, so much drama coming from one person was intense.

1068
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: So that with Tierra, then, um, I'm just really intrigued

1069
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: because we have these villains and I just hate that.

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: I hate the word villain. We have these characters that

1071
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: come on the show who are highlighted. I really feel

1072
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: like leaning into that and if that's not you, then

1073
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: you lean into it and show the public that that's

1074
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: not you. I feel like typically it works out all right,

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: especially if you're just you know, if you're just a

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: character that's highlighted because you're extra. I mean, I think

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: that actually kind of benefits you in the end. So,

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01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: you mean, if you're just kind of if you're if

1079
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: you lean into being unapologetic yourself or if you apologize

1080
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: but running from the public makes us all go, hey,

1081
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: we miss you, or we want to know more about

1082
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: you or we want to see you. Well, it's just

1083
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: interesting because she's not really giving herself a chance for

1084
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: a redemption, you know, by staying silent. It's like she's

1085
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: kind of just allowing the narrative to continue. And so

1086
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: I really I feel like if she took the opportunity

1087
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: to come forward, especially seven years, seven years, That's that's

1088
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Nobody's anymore. No, Now we think it's

1089
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: funny and we would love to see where her life

1090
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: is now, totally. I would I mean, I would love

1091
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: to know. It's maybe she doesn't want us to see her.

1092
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, nobody's mad anymore. And now

1093
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: we're just having fun with this. This is this whole

1094
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: show is about. Yeah, another another point of your season

1095
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: that you weren't there for, but I remember so vividly,

1096
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: and it was fun to rewatch. Well, actually it was

1097
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: sad to rewatch was Desire's brother and his reaction towards

1098
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: Sean calling them, you know, the born again virgin bachelor

1099
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: playboy so silly. Do you have any idea how that

1100
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: affected Desiree from continuing on past the top four? You

1101
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: think that Sean would have kept her around had it

1102
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: not been the brother And do you know from you know,

1103
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: des his mouth, how like the brother and her relationship

1104
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: was after the fact, Gosh, I actually totally forgot about that, um,

1105
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: And I don't feel like I really know about the dynamic.

1106
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: I just know it was, you know, I'm sure really

1107
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: really hurtful for her and probably felt like that totally

1108
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: jeopardized her experience. But how she had answered today, probably

1109
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: that it all worked out the way it was supposed to.

1110
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know exactly what how that

1111
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 1: all played a part. Yeah, in a way, it's kind

1112
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: of faithful. Yeah, yeah, the okay Sarah to ended up here.

1113
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: I know you have a big night ahead of you, um,

1114
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: with a lot of with a lot of hanging out

1115
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: watching some very anxious moments. Yeah, looking back in your

1116
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: time now seven years later, are you thankfully you've done it?

1117
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time, you know, because

1118
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people want to say, like, oh,

1119
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: is it worth it? Was it everything that you see

1120
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: on TV? Um, would you do it over again? And

1121
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: I always say one changed my life for the better,

1122
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: and um, it just opened a world of self growth

1123
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: and opportunity for me. And it was a dream. It

1124
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: truly was a fairy tale. Like Ashley, I think you

1125
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: can relate to this. I grew up watching the show.

1126
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: I loved it, and going on was just a dream

1127
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: come true in the way that it's all played out

1128
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: in my life. I'm forever grateful for speaking about relatability.

1129
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: I have to throw one thing in there that I

1130
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: thought of watching this episode, and that when I was younger,

1131
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: I I wasn't as outspoken as I am today, but

1132
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: I was relating so much to Catherine and like her thinking,

1133
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: I can't believe that I got this guy. I can't

1134
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: believe like I'm getting my dream man. Her nerves written

1135
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: all of her face and moments, and then she was

1136
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: just like, you're so hot, You're so hot, like I

1137
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: can't believe it, I can't believe it. I'm obsessed with you.

1138
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, that is me. Like that, I

1139
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: was exactly like her with Jared, and it was just

1140
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: fun and relatable to see a girl just like kind

1141
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: of geek out over the guy she was with about

1142
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: how she was when like the entire process, she was

1143
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: always just kind of like I think, in disbelief of

1144
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: where she was and the connection she was having with Sean,

1145
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: and I think she always used to call like a beefcake,

1146
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: or she goes, I'm a vegan, but I just want

1147
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: you to know that I like the beef. Yeah. So

1148
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: she was like, I gave believe this is happening to me.

1149
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: So you're right, that is a totally relatable, very human

1150
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: experience that she got to have. We should ask her today,

1151
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: after a couple of kids, in a few years of marriage,

1152
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: if she still calls him a beefcake and if she's

1153
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: still so obsessed with him or not. That's exactly what

1154
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: my mom said. We should definitely watch. Hey, uh well,

1155
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: Sarah Herren, We're really glad that The Bachelor had you on,

1156
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: that you said yes to it, and that you came

1157
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Everybody, Once again, this has been Sarah Herren,

1158
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: and uh hey, good luck watching Actually I've seen it,

1159
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: but good luck watching this episode. Thank you, Thanks Sarah,

1160
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: Bye bye, guys. She's she's always a bright light. Um,

1161
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: always somebody that we enjoy interviewing, and uh, you know

1162
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: what it in a weird way, actually this these episodes,

1163
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: they feel like reunion of sorts for us to have

1164
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: these people back on who you know, three years ago

1165
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: when we started this podcast, they were like very much

1166
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: still on the scene, they're very much talked about, and

1167
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: now it's like, hey, come back on and let's chat again.

1168
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: It's it's been It's kind of nice, yes, Ben, It's

1169
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: kind of like watching your favorite chick flick over and

1170
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: over again, like revisiting these love stories. So if if

1171
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, is this show going to be a hit, yeah,

1172
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: because it's like watching your favorite rom com characters all

1173
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: over again. And we all know that we do that

1174
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: whenever we're scrolling through the TV and we see twenty

1175
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: one dresses, um, my best friend's wedding and the wedding planner. Yeah,

1176
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: all the good stuff that we love to watch and enjoy. Well, hey,

1177
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: once again everybody out there listening. Uh, if you are

1178
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: hanging out, which you definitely are, you have the time

1179
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: come join us. Since we can't come to a city

1180
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: near you, we have a live virtual podcast on June

1181
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: from four to five pm. Ashley and I are buying

1182
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: tickets to this as well so we can be there.

1183
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: It's nine dollars and cents. You can go to www

1184
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: dot c y a dot Live slash events slash to

1185
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: one seven to to get your tickets. Also, don't forget

1186
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: that The Bachelor. We We're just gonna quint to our term.

1187
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. Greatest hits are now airing every Monday night

1188
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: on a BC, starting with Sean Lowe's season. Ashley, you

1189
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: to bomb you the best. Let's talk soon, Okay you two,

1190
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: all right, see you next week. Bye, guys, thank you

1191
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: so much. And for now this has been Ashley. I.

1192
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I messed up ear ending And for

1193
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: now I've been Ashley and I've Ben Ben. We'll talk

1194
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 1: to you later, guys by follow the Benn and Ashley

1195
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart Radio or subscribe

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