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Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about. Should we start with
Speaker 1: introducing our guests. We're talking about Phil's new haircut.
Speaker 2: People.
Speaker 1: People get more conservative the older they get generally, not always,
Speaker 1: but generally, and that's happening to Phil with his hair.
Speaker 3: Because my hair is getting more like militaristic.
Speaker 1: He pretty soon is gonna have a flat top.
Speaker 3: That's what my grandpa died with. So it's only a
Speaker 3: matter of time.
Speaker 1: He's gradually going flat top. And Chester got a ball
Speaker 1: sack tattooed to his arm. No, can I see it again?
Speaker 1: Oh No, that's been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you if they would just close this
Speaker 2: upright there, it would be because like for.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah you could have. I mean, if you've got
Speaker 1: like the wrinkles, and if he got even a little
Speaker 1: bit drunk, well, if you gave me a tattue gun,
Speaker 1: I could turn it into a c and.
Speaker 4: B wow, was the first time I heard that.
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of how to keep a
Speaker 1: family family friend would still be clear?
Speaker 5: Just so everybody knows, it is, in fact, not a
Speaker 5: ball sack.
Speaker 2: It's a proof of sex tattoo. And it's a proof
Speaker 2: of sex tattoo.
Speaker 5: It is all right. It's an old like spade fly,
Speaker 5: like a steelhead, like a swing and fly swinging.
Speaker 4: All right, I got through this material.
Speaker 1: All right, Oh Chester, I've seen that tattoo a thousand times,
Speaker 1: but I just didn't see it that way.
Speaker 3: Now you can't un see it.
Speaker 5: Did you know what it was?
Speaker 1: I've always known, But then when someone when you said
Speaker 1: what your sister thought it was, then I looked at
Speaker 1: it all anew.
Speaker 5: Because when my arms down like this, you know, kind
Speaker 5: of can I is?
Speaker 1: Can I get a pen? Can I give it a
Speaker 1: couple of little Can I give it a couple of
Speaker 1: little hairs?
Speaker 2: Just to see? What? Like? The only one we have
Speaker 2: is a sharpie?
Speaker 3: That's too bad?
Speaker 2: What kind of fly is that?
Speaker 5: It's just like you know those like spade flies, those
Speaker 5: fancy feathered flies that people tie up with a guinea hen.
Speaker 5: And it's one of them. Danielle and I were in
Speaker 5: Hawaii and I was we just decided to get tattoos
Speaker 5: spur of the moment.
Speaker 1: Did the Hawaiian know what that was?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: M hmmm.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh that's cool, and then he had.
Speaker 1: A little snicker with his buddies in the back.
Speaker 3: Yea tourists.
Speaker 1: I love that tattooed Chester. I think Chess has also
Speaker 1: got an arrow tattooed up and down his arm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not really proportional. My mom hates that one.
Speaker 5: It's like a crossbow bolt.
Speaker 2: With the giants.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's got a lot fletching.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's got to fly on the other arm.
Speaker 1: What you got a trap on the other arm?
Speaker 5: No, I should should.
Speaker 1: I did a big old double long spring on there.
Speaker 1: Joined today by Ben dettamante am I saying that, right,
Speaker 1: you did you nail it. You guys are Italian, you know.
Speaker 2: I like to say I'm one hundred percent Italian, although
Speaker 2: I'm not actually a hundred percent Italian.
Speaker 1: A little bit to twenty five fantastic, yeah right where
Speaker 1: I'm at. Yeah, it's a good number. Have you done
Speaker 1: the twenty three and me?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we did the whole breakdown. Really, I
Speaker 2: think it was like about a quarter for me. Well,
Speaker 2: actually my dad did. I didn't do it, so I'm
Speaker 2: deducing from his results. Yeah what I am?
Speaker 1: Did you know I'm ten times more African than Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Warren is Native American.
Speaker 2: I say, count it. I'd be putting that on two
Speaker 2: percent paperwork. Count it because my my Italians are from Sicily.
Speaker 2: That's a good place. We're from Lake Como apparently.
Speaker 1: Oh really so you go by?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I know this because on your social media stuff shed crazy?
Speaker 1: Tell people about that. You know you're not like crazy
Speaker 1: about building sheds.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't know anything about building sheds for sure,
Speaker 2: but yeah it does, you know, come up a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, shit crazy. But yeah, that's kind of just
Speaker 2: a little thing. I started social media back maybe twenty
Speaker 2: twelve or something, start a little Instagram page, and now
Speaker 2: it's my identity. Because you love picking up I love
Speaker 2: picking up sheds.
Speaker 5: Do you get sick of it?
Speaker 2: Sometimes? I don't get picked like sick of finding sheds,
Speaker 2: but like the grind that comes with like constantly going
Speaker 2: out and trying to find new areas and stuff gets old,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, but you you retired from being a custodian.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that, yeah, in order to in
Speaker 1: order to hunt sheds.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I left an illustrious career as a custodian to
Speaker 2: do this full time. So it's a interesting way to
Speaker 2: make a living.
Speaker 1: And right now it's like, you should not be here
Speaker 1: right now, you should be doing that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sacrificing some prime real estate, some prime time
Speaker 2: in the hills to be here, So you guys are welcome.
Speaker 1: I found a shed yesterday, but then I realized I'd
Speaker 1: already found it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you refound my dog.
Speaker 1: Because my dog carried it off and I thought I
Speaker 1: found it, and then I got to looking at it
Speaker 1: and realized that it had the same string that I
Speaker 1: used to hang it into a tree.
Speaker 2: It's probably just as exciting though, right.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, another thing you know we like to If
Speaker 1: you're a frequent listener, you know that we like to
Speaker 1: tack things on the end of the show. So the
Speaker 1: show will end and you'll hear a new thing that's
Speaker 1: interesting or whatever. We're going to tack on an episode
Speaker 1: of our new podcast, This Country Life with Brent Reeves.
Speaker 1: It's the it's really really good it's really funny. I driving,
Speaker 1: if I'm driving around, listen to it. I laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: My kid, my older boy loves that show. He just
Speaker 1: sits there going I like this guy. I like this guy.
Speaker 1: Do you like this guy? I like this guy. It's
Speaker 1: so good. We're gonna tack on an episode. It runs
Speaker 1: on the bear Grease feed, So the same way if
Speaker 1: you have the media podcast feed and the trivia show
Speaker 1: shows up on there. If you're on the bear Grease
Speaker 1: feed and you listen to Clay's bear Grease podcast, you'll
Speaker 1: see that. Now you're also going to get served this
Speaker 1: country life with Brent Reeves, just so you get a
Speaker 1: taste a little lickings. We're gonna tack what what's.
Speaker 3: It called, Phil, the stuff in my pockets?
Speaker 1: The stuff in my I was gonna say, what's in
Speaker 1: my pocket? The stuff in my pockets on the end
Speaker 1: of the show. So give that a listen. If you
Speaker 1: love it, go over subscribe to bear Grease and you'll
Speaker 1: see it. You'll see it rolled into the bear Grease feed.
Speaker 1: I like it so much, I might steal it from
Speaker 1: and put it in this feed. Phil, you think about that.
Speaker 3: You and Clay might have to throw some fists, but
Speaker 3: we'll make it happen.
Speaker 1: We'll see enjoy that when you get to the end
Speaker 1: of the show. Gordon Lightfoot passed away.
Speaker 2: One of the greats.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, the legend lives on inarguably.
Speaker 1: Inarguably he wrote the greatest song of all time, the
Speaker 1: Record of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Interestingly, if you go on Spotify,
Speaker 1: the record the Edmund Fitzgerald has this is just one measure,
Speaker 1: okay on the album Summertime Dream. The Record of the
Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald has fifty two million, seven hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five and thirty plays on the album. It came out
Speaker 1: on a seven minute song. They came out the record, Phil,
Speaker 1: can you check what year record the Edvan fie Gerald
Speaker 1: came out. The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald was nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy five. I was one years old.
Speaker 3: This is nineteen seventy six. So he wrote it right out.
Speaker 1: So at the centennial, at the American Centennial, the American
Speaker 1: bi Centennial, Gord, Canadian folk singer Gord comes out with
Speaker 1: the greatest song ever written by man, the recor of
Speaker 1: the Edmond Fitzgerald on that album that it released on
Speaker 1: that's something he plays, it has on Spotify. So just
Speaker 1: a relative picture here, fifty two million will round up
Speaker 1: to fifty three million plays on his album Summertime Dream.
Speaker 1: Guess what the second highest number of plays is on
Speaker 1: Spotify on that album Sundown, different album this is where
Speaker 1: It Get get You already skipped ahead of the depressing
Speaker 1: part two million plays. So his Race among the Ruins
Speaker 1: not a great song, has two million plays. The recor
Speaker 1: of the EDMF Fidh drailed fifty three million plays. However,
Speaker 1: like Chester Brought Up, this is this is how you
Speaker 1: find out what's wrong with America. Like Chester Brought Up,
Speaker 1: you go to his album Sundown Great or you know
Speaker 1: Great Tune, and Sundown right now is sitting at ninety
Speaker 1: eight million, meaning that more people listen to a song
Speaker 1: that is not the greatest song ever written by Man
Speaker 1: than than listen to the greatest song ever written by Man.
Speaker 5: I wonder if that's because people have a hard time,
Speaker 5: like holding their attention to something for seven minutes.
Speaker 3: It sounds only three and a half minutes long.
Speaker 2: And it's catchier like to the mainstream too, is it?
Speaker 1: It's been sampled?
Speaker 2: Hasn't that been?
Speaker 1: Like movies and stuff sundown. Oh yeah, it's been sampled,
Speaker 1: and I think, like, wasn't it like P Diddy? What
Speaker 1: the hell's his name?
Speaker 2: Is that what he goes by these days? Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm sure he goes by his name.
Speaker 1: Now the wreck for you, for you folk, Phil, Let's
Speaker 1: queue up the part where he talks about Lake Michigan,
Speaker 1: because there's a part and this is always spoke to
Speaker 1: me because I grew up on Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan
Speaker 1: steams like a young man's dreams, Her islands and bays
Speaker 1: are for sportsmen. Well, he he what he does in
Speaker 1: his song. He does a comparison contrasts between all the
Speaker 1: great lakes, and he's like, basically, Lake Superior is a
Speaker 1: cold bitch, and then all the other lakes. He has
Speaker 1: whatever he has to say, and his typification of Lake
Speaker 1: Michigan is Lake Michigan steams like young man's dreams, Her
Speaker 1: islands and bays are for sportsmen.
Speaker 5: That's a good line.
Speaker 1: That's great, which makes it seem like it's like a
Speaker 1: like a like a wimpy little lake. Not that theed
Speaker 1: mephis Gerald's Hall and iron Ore, I believe from Duluth
Speaker 1: to down to Young's I believe it sank in a
Speaker 1: horrible November storm nineteen seventy five. Twenty nine people aboard.
Speaker 1: It sank in five hundred feet of water in Lake Superior.
Speaker 1: At five hundred feet there's no life and no light,
Speaker 1: and there's no current, which I didn't really know until recently.
Speaker 2: No current.
Speaker 1: It's in five hundred feet of water. So you used
Speaker 1: to not be able to dive it, but you can.
Speaker 1: People can dive it, and so starting in the nineties
Speaker 1: people started to be able to dive down to the wreck.
Speaker 1: The bodies are still identifiable. No whoa still identifiable?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sitting in thirty four degree water, no current, no light,
Speaker 1: no life. A guy took pictures of identifiable bodies. They
Speaker 1: later made it illegal to sell out to dive that
Speaker 1: wreck and pull stuff off it. But they took the
Speaker 1: bell off it and they replaced it with a bell
Speaker 1: with all twenty nine sailors his names etched into the bell.
Speaker 1: So now in five hundred feet in Lake Superior is
Speaker 1: a bell, a new bell with all twenty nine sailors.
Speaker 2: Names on it.
Speaker 1: So at the Maritimes Sailor's Cathedral at a church in Detroit.
Speaker 1: The next morning, someone came out and rang the bell
Speaker 1: in Detroit twenty nine times, once for every person lost
Speaker 1: on the ship. A journalist saw him do it and
Speaker 1: knocked on the door of the church and interviewed the
Speaker 1: person who rang the bell, and that became a big
Speaker 1: news story. So in the Reck of the Edmin Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: when Gordon Lightfoot says the church bell chimed till it
Speaker 1: rang twenty nine times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: that's what he's alluding to. And now that bell, there's
Speaker 1: a bell on the ship. And once they found the ship,
Speaker 1: they found out that a detail like Gord was real specific.
Speaker 1: He even says that the ship weigh twenty six thousand
Speaker 1: tons more than it weighed empty, like very specific. I
Speaker 1: didn't know this. He later changed. I was just reading
Speaker 1: about this all when he died. He changed the lyrics
Speaker 1: about the cause of the ship because he's at at
Speaker 1: seven PM a main hatchway caved in, and now it
Speaker 1: seems like maybe that's not the case, and he changed
Speaker 1: the lyrics to stay true to current understanding of what
Speaker 1: sunk that ship. We used to ice Fish and Whitefish
Speaker 1: Bay looking out toward where it was. I've seen Gored
Speaker 1: do that song live two times. The first time I
Speaker 1: saw him do it live was at Interlock and which
Speaker 1: is like an artsy fartsy camp in Michigan. Second time
Speaker 1: I saw him do it was at a big hockey
Speaker 1: arena in Ontario, so then you're in shipping country. I mean,
Speaker 1: Interlocking is on the lake that steams like a young
Speaker 1: man's dreams. When I saw it the second time, it
Speaker 1: was where Lake Superior flows into the Saint Mary's River,
Speaker 1: which drops twenty some feet into Lake Huron. So Lake
Speaker 1: Huron accepts Lake Superior. Lake Superior dumps through the Saint
Speaker 1: Mary's Rapids and flows into there. So I saw him
Speaker 1: there at that very important place and Gord is standing
Speaker 1: up on stage and it's in the hockey stadium. This
Speaker 1: place is packed because he's Canadian. I can't remember what
Speaker 1: year it was, but he basically stands up and says
Speaker 1: like in the later in the concert, because when you
Speaker 1: have a big hit, you always do it late. Right
Speaker 1: like when I saw a Marshall Tucker band. You don't
Speaker 1: come out and you can't see right off the bat
Speaker 1: because everybody leaves right standing in the line from Marshall
Speaker 1: Tucker Band my friend Brian said, if she don't like Tucker,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna fill in the blank. So they're at
Speaker 1: the high AA. Gord, towards the end of the show
Speaker 1: stands up and I can't remember what year it was,
Speaker 1: but it would have been. He stands up and says
Speaker 1: something like, it'll be thirty five years this November. It's
Speaker 1: all he needed to say.
Speaker 2: The crowd erupted, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I often allude to when we beat the Russians in
Speaker 1: hockey in the Olympics in like the eighties. That feeling
Speaker 1: of that emotional catharsis that America went through when Gordon.
Speaker 1: It was nothing compared to when Gordon stood up and
Speaker 1: said in Canada it'll be It'll be whatever, thirty five
Speaker 1: years of November. I mean, people wept, oh, and he
Speaker 1: passed away, made it into his eighties.
Speaker 8: In the rooms of her Icewater mansion, Michigan steams like
Speaker 8: a young man's dreams.
Speaker 9: Oh.
Speaker 1: You know when they killed Ben Laden, they supposedly put
Speaker 1: him in a in a sack with an anchor and overboard.
Speaker 2: I would like to get Gord's carcass.
Speaker 1: It's not too late. I'm assuming.
Speaker 2: You might have a lot I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would like to get Gord's carcass, get that same
Speaker 1: set up and go right to that waypoint that's where
Speaker 1: he belongs to put him down there with the thin
Speaker 1: well you weighed it down.
Speaker 2: Last thing's light foot. He might just that it's a good.
Speaker 1: Joke, just like he's a three good jokes.
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 1: If I had jokes, good yours, I'd say, I'm super loud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe your headphones are just quiet.
Speaker 1: Oh so rest piece, I gotta do a cover of that.
Speaker 1: Oh you should have Dandy Warhol's covered it seven minutes.
Speaker 1: That's the third thing I want to add. It got
Speaker 1: to number two and stayed in the Billboard charts for months.
Speaker 1: And this is at a time when songs had to
Speaker 1: be three minutes long, and they were a boy it
Speaker 1: was a song? Was this three and a half minutes long? Okay,
Speaker 1: verse chorus, verse, chorus, bridge chorus. It was like love
Speaker 1: goes wrong, Like there's love, it goes wrong. I left her,
Speaker 1: she left me. I wish she was back. Like that
Speaker 1: was what music was.
Speaker 5: I can't funny thing you're saying that I wrote a
Speaker 5: song the other day, and it's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It goes wrong, it's gonna be a hit.
Speaker 5: Verse chorus, there's no bridge. I don't like bridges.
Speaker 3: Oh bridges are Chester Chait put a bridge in it.
Speaker 1: And here's the guy that comes out with a seven
Speaker 1: in it. Song detailing in great specificity and iron ore
Speaker 1: freighter sinking in Lake Superior.
Speaker 2: With the tonnage.
Speaker 1: Yeah now and then something slips through the cracks. You
Speaker 1: could picture just as well that Gord would have written
Speaker 1: to Edmund Fitzgerald and no one listened to it. If
Speaker 1: that's the greatest song ever written, Tonight we rides the
Speaker 1: second game. That's what I was. That's number one in
Speaker 1: my book, great detail, that's my favorite song. Pancho Villa
Speaker 1: comes into the US raids a Texas town. Black Jack Pershing,
Speaker 1: who would later make his name in World War One,
Speaker 1: goes in pursuit of him, chases him for two years.
Speaker 1: Some of the guys he's with decided to hang on
Speaker 1: down in Mexico. They have various adventures. Nothing about boys
Speaker 1: and girls. Well no, because he does. He alludes to
Speaker 1: going to a whorehouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. It's a great song. Oh man,
Speaker 2: we should make a playlist, Phil, we can do that.
Speaker 3: You made a playlist for the live show that you
Speaker 3: you had me, this would be a different bla be
Speaker 3: a different one.
Speaker 5: Blackjack pershing on a dancing horse is waiting in the wings.
Speaker 1: I had looked like it's yeah, it's like the writing
Speaker 1: of Cormick McCarthy, where you got to look a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff up, stuff up, because he said, when Jackie
Speaker 1: wasn't looking, I stole his fine spade bit. The hell's
Speaker 1: a spade bit. I didn't know what did you know
Speaker 1: what that was?
Speaker 2: I mean a general idea of what it is. I
Speaker 2: don't know too specifically.
Speaker 1: It's a spade shaped blade that goes into a horse's mouth,
Speaker 1: So when you pull on the rein, it drives that
Speaker 1: spade shaped blade up into the roof of its mouth,
Speaker 1: greatly irritating.
Speaker 2: That's how you push a horse hard.
Speaker 1: He says when he catches he was going to catch
Speaker 1: Pancho Villa and make chaps out of Pancho Villa's skin.
Speaker 2: Shoot his horse. Yet they laywise in this twenty seven
Speaker 2: brides Yep, it's a good song.
Speaker 1: He observes that you don't need no teeth for kissing
Speaker 1: gals and smoking sheep stars. I sleep with one eyes
Speaker 1: open need neath God's celestial stars.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's back.
Speaker 1: When they could write rest in peace, Gordon, rest in peace.
Speaker 1: Maybe even better than dumping them over the ship, was
Speaker 1: he to get one of those divers and go tuck
Speaker 1: them in down in that ship. Hmmm, get a wet.
Speaker 2: Suit for that.
Speaker 6: I'm surprised there's no life down there. Yeah, that's that
Speaker 6: was very surprised.
Speaker 1: In the ocean. Giant squid eat them.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, if Gord's family's listening, think about this, or you
Speaker 1: could just take a more modest approach. Put his stuff
Speaker 1: in a big, old heavy.
Speaker 2: See that thing we got.
Speaker 1: You know that artillery shell we got down there? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: put his ashes in there. Put a bunch of melted
Speaker 1: lead in there, and right down where you want her.
Speaker 6: They could use that artillery shell if they wanted.
Speaker 1: Gordon's families listening, We have an artillery shell.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what you should do?
Speaker 1: I got it now, Phil, We're gonna wrap it up
Speaker 1: on this conversation. Yeah, this is what they should do.
Speaker 1: Get a bell, Oh, carve Gord. Here lies here lies
Speaker 1: Gord or Gord or Gordon lightfoot, depending on how if
Speaker 1: the person etching it has that much time Gordon, lightfoot
Speaker 1: into the bell, invert the bell, put the ashes in there,
Speaker 1: pour a bunch of lead in on top of that, and.
Speaker 2: Then you got to ring it one time for him
Speaker 2: church bell.
Speaker 1: Chime to the ring one time Gordon for the for
Speaker 1: the writer of the Edmundon.
Speaker 3: If you didn't end up in a family plots to you,
Speaker 3: where would you want your body or ashes to?
Speaker 1: I know exactly where I want it. Yeah, I've told
Speaker 1: my kids. I've told my wife. None of them listens.
Speaker 1: I know exactly where I want it. I want it
Speaker 1: on top of a particular butte, and I want preferably
Speaker 1: them to quarter my carcass out. I've explained this to him.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to be quartered out hauled
Speaker 1: up there. It's three miles hauled there and left there,
Speaker 1: tucked in a little out of the way so I
Speaker 1: could be scavenged by wolves and grizzlies. That's what I
Speaker 1: would like. I've said. I've told them. If you aren't
Speaker 1: able to do that, dump the ashes there.
Speaker 5: Who's packing the head.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter me. It'll be out to my kids,
Speaker 1: just three of them. It's like not a bad load. Now,
Speaker 1: it's fifty pound packs.
Speaker 2: Quartered cooled, properly, bled out in a game bag and
Speaker 2: just tucked in out of the way, and something can
Speaker 2: eat me. That's what I want, all right. It's a
Speaker 2: near green burrial. We burned a lot of time, up, Krinn.
Speaker 4: We can cut half of the talking points.
Speaker 2: What was a few things here?
Speaker 6: There's some great stuff in here.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. Okay, here's the deal. You guys are
Speaker 1: all familiar with Saxon Pope, Pope and Young. Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't know this. So Saxon Pope had a book, Hunting
Speaker 1: with the Bow and Arrow nineteen forty seven. Now, Krinin
Speaker 1: if I'm understanding this is in Saxon Pope's book. Yes,
Speaker 1: so Saxon Pope and what was Young's first name?
Speaker 2: You remember him?
Speaker 5: Art?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saxon Pope and Art Young, two early archers.
Speaker 2: Uh who.
Speaker 1: What's kind of funny about archerie today is people talk
Speaker 1: about traditional archery. Traditional archery isn't old. I mean it
Speaker 1: took a long high like traditional archery took off, took
Speaker 1: a long hiatus. Now, at the Battle a Little Big
Speaker 1: Horn in eighteen seventy six, they were still well at
Speaker 1: the Federman Fight, which is sixty three eighteen sixty three.
Speaker 1: I think it was the Federman Fight sixty three or
Speaker 1: sixty four. Primarily bows. The Sioux involved in that fight
Speaker 1: when they killed they called it the Battle of one
Speaker 1: hundred in the Hand because they killed about one hundred
Speaker 1: cavalry soldiers primarily with archery equipment. You get to eighteen
Speaker 1: seventy six battle a Little Big Horn, they killed several
Speaker 1: hundred soldiers, still using bows. Primarily guns at that point,
Speaker 1: still some archery stuff though, and it had like a
Speaker 1: strategic advantage because they would use their bows. You could
Speaker 1: shoot people without seeing them because you could just lib arrows.
Speaker 1: They would lib arrows. So if you were like dug
Speaker 1: into little holes, they might have guns, but they could
Speaker 1: just lob arrows up and just land arrows down on
Speaker 1: things that were in holes or out of sight. But
Speaker 1: then it was by nineteen hundred people weren't using bows,
Speaker 1: so it took a big break. And then you get
Speaker 1: into the forties and then dudes like Saxon Pope kind
Speaker 1: of like reinvigorate rediscovery, rediscover archery hunting. Sax And Pope
Speaker 1: has this story in his book. I had no idea,
Speaker 1: I don't I haven't read this. He's talking about Humboldt County.
Speaker 1: People that like to smoke a lot of weed know
Speaker 1: that place. There was an old settler named Pete Blueford.
Speaker 1: Now they use a derogatory term that was very common
Speaker 1: anytime you're reading books from the term. There's a term
Speaker 1: you see all the time in old books called a
Speaker 1: squaw man, and a squawman is a derogatory term for
Speaker 1: like it'd be a derogatory term for a white person.
Speaker 1: If a white man married a Native American woman and
Speaker 1: lived with her family or lived in her village, he
Speaker 1: became not Bob or Doug. He became a squawman. That
Speaker 1: was his defining characteristic. So he's talking about a man
Speaker 1: who he's using the term a squawman, which means a
Speaker 1: white man was married to a Native American woman. This
Speaker 1: fella shot a female grizzly with cubs within a quarter
Speaker 1: of a mile from what is now Blocksburg in Humboldt County.
Speaker 1: It mauled him real good, tore his abdomen open, pulled
Speaker 1: his guts out. His buddy's sewing back together. He lives
Speaker 1: many years afterward. Now, when the guy was sewing him up,
Speaker 1: there was a large glob of fat protruding from the incision,
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get it tucked in right.
Speaker 2: He later greased his boots with it.
Speaker 6: Wow with his wonder how.
Speaker 1: Rendered down his own belly fat and greased his boots.
Speaker 2: That is waste, not want not.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I when I'm talking, when I'm explained why
Speaker 1: I love America, That's why I love America. That's why
Speaker 1: America is my number one favorite country. No, I like that,
Speaker 1: you know, bald eagles and belly fat Gordon Lightfoot's country
Speaker 1: would probably be a distant third for me.
Speaker 4: That's pretty grotesque though.
Speaker 2: That's why I refuse to lose weight. Like you never know,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna need a little boot grease, you know,
Speaker 2: to come in handy.
Speaker 1: You could, Yeah, you could grease a handful of boots.
Speaker 5: I thought he was going to render it and like
Speaker 5: cook something minute me too.
Speaker 4: That's where I thought it was going.
Speaker 1: That that would have been see, that would have been
Speaker 1: just that's just gross.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Still after our this guy, someone wrote in, so we
Speaker 1: still get a lot of notes about gators from our
Speaker 1: Gator podcast, and I remember one guy wrote in that
Speaker 1: he loved hearing, he loved hearing all of you Northerners
Speaker 1: get real excited about alligator fast. So this guy writes in,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed your podcast, especially the recent episode and alligators.
Speaker 1: He's a private lands biologist in southeastern North Carolina. Part
Speaker 1: of his role includes handling nuisance gator issues. Oh, Crintis
Speaker 1: this morning sent me photos of them pulling human parts
Speaker 1: the gator.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another a gap.
Speaker 2: Have those been on the internet.
Speaker 1: I thought about posting, but that seems like a good
Speaker 1: way to get your account taken away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's old. Yeah that happened. I forget what year
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: I told you about when I was in fifth grade.
Speaker 1: The teacher brought in pictures of her boyfriend's remains removed
Speaker 1: from a crocodile. What's interesting is another alum from Rhese
Speaker 1: Puffer rode in to say, dude, I had the same teacher,
Speaker 1: same grade. She showed me the same pictures.
Speaker 6: Wow, He's like, you.
Speaker 1: Weren't wrong, because you weren't remembering wrong. She showed me
Speaker 1: those pictures.
Speaker 4: That's I never thought.
Speaker 3: So she kept her job for a while.
Speaker 2: We know that for sure.
Speaker 1: We used to fish wally dogs right out in front
Speaker 1: of her house. She lived on the Muskegon River.
Speaker 3: Swamp as she sings pasted.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, was it pictures like what we saw? I
Speaker 4: mean basically, it's like a gator's belly open and you
Speaker 4: see like an entire you know, it looked like it
Speaker 4: just looks like your arm. It wasn't digested because it
Speaker 4: was so he sent like an arm. It's like it's
Speaker 4: like someone someone who is retrieving the arm from the belly.
Speaker 4: It's almost like he's like holding the hand of the
Speaker 4: severed arm.
Speaker 2: Hand was.
Speaker 1: Just someone pulling it like an arm.
Speaker 6: What's the story behind it?
Speaker 4: It was just there was an attack.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, last summer, this guy goes on. You know
Speaker 1: what it reminded Seeing that photo reminded me of and
Speaker 1: I'm still traumatized from it. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: ever told you the story.
Speaker 4: Here, I'll show it to everyone else so they get traumatized.
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, I watched them pull
Speaker 1: remains from an airplane wreck.
Speaker 2: Oh what if you don't know that he's not alive
Speaker 2: in there, like maybe she's just helping him out, like
Speaker 2: he's he's like, get me out of here.
Speaker 4: He's But then there's another picture of you know, like
Speaker 4: the person lying there without there.
Speaker 1: This guy goes on. Last summer, I found an entire
Speaker 1: barred owl and a recently consumed turtle inside of a
Speaker 1: seven footer that turned up dead at a golf course
Speaker 1: after being killed by a larger gator. They had a
Speaker 1: GPS alligator swallow a basketball and that slowly starved to death.
Speaker 1: It took it multiple years to starve to death. That
Speaker 1: same alligator also had a six inch arrow shaft embedded
Speaker 1: in its skull behind the eyes that likely altered its vision.
Speaker 5: Jeez, I wonder how did it get a bard owl?
Speaker 1: You know, my here's my theory on it. After I
Speaker 1: thought long and hard about it. That owl was laying
Speaker 1: there dead in the water.
Speaker 6: That's what I thought most probably.
Speaker 1: Do you remember on a recent episode we were talking
Speaker 1: about them having those gators mummies, the Egyptians having two
Speaker 1: thousand year old gator mummies. That gator mummy has thirty
Speaker 1: one crocodiles in it. It had a five point five
Speaker 1: foot croc and thirty kroc babies, all embalmed and positions
Speaker 1: so as to appear riding on the larger individual's back.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: In the antiquities, there's a term called the provenance might
Speaker 1: saying that right provenance, meaning like, let's say I came
Speaker 1: to you and I said, hey, check this out. I
Speaker 1: actually own the Mona Lisa. People will be like, well,
Speaker 1: I'd like to understand the provenance of that, meaning how
Speaker 1: did it flow from the louver to you.
Speaker 4: Steve's actually a very successful harder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety nine, Phoebe Hurst of the Hers family, right,
Speaker 1: she bought it from an antiquities dealer in Egypt. Now,
Speaker 1: so we were wandering in there. They said, how there
Speaker 1: was a fish hook in there, and we're like, what
Speaker 1: kind of fish hook? And why would it not have corroded?
Speaker 1: They believe it was a bronze hook, is how they
Speaker 1: caught that thing. So people in Egypt two thousand years
Speaker 1: ago fishing gators of bronze hooks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's less susceptible to corrosion than copper and contemporary
Speaker 4: forms of iron and steel, says this archaeologist. And yeah,
Speaker 4: bronze would have been consistent with contemporary fishing fish hook
Speaker 4: manufacturers at that time, even well into the iron Age.
Speaker 1: Here's a story from Minnesota. Oh you'll appreciate this, Ben,
Speaker 1: all right, Ready, guy in Minnesota was living near a
Speaker 1: registered sex offender.
Speaker 4: Oh, let me just do the transition. This guy who
Speaker 4: wrote in about the Gator Mummy is shared this story
Speaker 4: because his parents live in this town where it happened,
Speaker 4: and he didn't he doesn't. He didn't bring it up
Speaker 4: with his parents or ask around because it's a small
Speaker 4: town so everyone knows everyone. So this story comes from
Speaker 4: the same guy who just wrote in about the crack Mummy.
Speaker 1: So he has eclectic interests.
Speaker 4: Yes, very much. It's a very interesting email. You know,
Speaker 4: you don't expect the second part of the email after
Speaker 4: reading the first.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like usually when you send someone an email,
Speaker 1: you put the really interesting.
Speaker 2: Part in the front.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Like you'd never be like, oh, and by
Speaker 1: the way, I was mauled by you know prey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole sworded story. I don't want to
Speaker 2: get into all the details.
Speaker 4: But basically a involves antler sheds a man, a.
Speaker 1: Man be a child, molesser to death with an antler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I support it.
Speaker 4: Multi use dog chews, well, they I.
Speaker 2: Mean they can be a serious weapon. I mean I've
Speaker 2: thought about it many times, Like when I'm not carrying
Speaker 2: you know, pistol or bear spray. Got a he shed
Speaker 2: just in case.
Speaker 5: Would you go pedical side first as the club or.
Speaker 2: I think i'd have to try to get the times
Speaker 2: in there. Yeah right, yeah, a little bit of stabbing
Speaker 2: motion in there. I think like a big like a
Speaker 2: five point like a raghorn elk shed. You could get
Speaker 2: some leth velocity behind that thing.
Speaker 3: Be pretty easy for that to accidentally end up one
Speaker 3: hundred eighty degrees the other way at some point during
Speaker 3: a struggle.
Speaker 2: Well, oh, and your opponent would turn it on you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: not in my experience.
Speaker 1: But the guy wrote in about me complaining about I
Speaker 1: think that Wisconsin voters and I'm just I'm carpetbagging here.
Speaker 1: I'm not from wiscons I'm not a Wisconsin voter. I
Speaker 1: think Wisconsin Nights have made a horrible mistake and not
Speaker 1: allowing through the ice Northern Pike spearing.
Speaker 2: In their waters. The argument against it.
Speaker 1: Is they won't be able to tell a pike from
Speaker 1: a musky. That's what the argument sounds like in that voice.
Speaker 5: They won't be able to tell a pipe from musky.
Speaker 5: That's people, Why why why don't they keep the closing
Speaker 5: musky waters?
Speaker 1: Well, hear me out, How can hunters and anglers be
Speaker 1: trusted to.
Speaker 2: Tell a tell a uh.
Speaker 1: Female from a male.
Speaker 2: Uh pike black bear.
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to the skot doc.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think of here.
Speaker 1: I'm in a little buying here because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of a duck species where you need to know
Speaker 1: male from female, where the male and female are not
Speaker 1: super And I'm struggling, But okay, thirty minutes before sunrise.
Speaker 1: You can be trusted to tell a drake from a mallard.
Speaker 1: They can trust you with that. Yeah, you can be
Speaker 1: trusted to tell a two inch long spike antler from
Speaker 1: a three inch long spike antler. Hunters can be trusted
Speaker 1: to determine that a black bear does not have a
Speaker 1: cub hidden in the bushes, Tom Rahan, you can be
Speaker 1: trusted to tell if a turkey has.
Speaker 2: A beard or not.
Speaker 1: The one I shot barely a singular feather.
Speaker 2: It's a feather.
Speaker 1: A beard is a feather, a singular feather growing out
Speaker 1: of his chest. We can trust hunters to figure that out,
Speaker 1: but they can't be trusted to tell if you're spearing
Speaker 1: a pike or a muskie. You can be trusted to
Speaker 1: know if you're throwing a pike or a muskie into
Speaker 1: your ice box. You can be trusted to know that
Speaker 1: you're putting a gaff into a pike or muskie at
Speaker 1: the hole when you're tip up fishing, but you can't
Speaker 1: be trusted to tell a pike from a muskie when
Speaker 1: your spirit. And a guy wrote in saying you have
Speaker 1: to understand how drunk these people are. That is, he said,
Speaker 1: there's two kinds of goggles. He says, there's beer goggles
Speaker 1: and there's snorkeling goggles.
Speaker 2: He thinks that you.
Speaker 1: Should definitely be allowed to spear northerns in with Wisconsin
Speaker 1: underwater with goggles on spearfishing, because those people aren't drunk.
Speaker 1: He then followed up with a chart that shows excessive
Speaker 1: drinking by county across the country yesterday, Okay, excessive drinking
Speaker 1: by county across the country, Holy cow, Wisconsin. Excessive drinking
Speaker 1: is marked by dark blue. Wisconsin is the only state
Speaker 1: where ever, every county is, all of Wisconsin is dark blue.
Speaker 1: Even if you go look where Wisconsin rolls into the
Speaker 1: Michigan's Upper Peninsula, it's like at the line they just
Speaker 1: stop excessive drinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's bizarre.
Speaker 1: And then you go to Utah, Dude, those guys don't
Speaker 1: drink because there's that joke, like there's.
Speaker 2: That joke like, oh, you know, how do you take
Speaker 2: to I'm not gonna tell jokes. We got.
Speaker 1: Listen Utah, they are not excessive drinking, but I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's all like voluntary, like do you excessive drink?
Speaker 2: Gonna say yes to that question.
Speaker 1: You know what the funny Wisconsin like, yes, sir.
Speaker 5: I do you know what? The thing I noticed about
Speaker 5: that Wisconsin map is Lake Winnebago is all white.
Speaker 1: But because they're not excessive drinking on the there's a misrepresentation.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 5: When that thing is frozen.
Speaker 2: Why is green? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why is green Bay white?
Speaker 2: That's a great green Bay should be dark blue.
Speaker 6: If you notice in Montana, Gallatin County, the county county
Speaker 6: we're in right now, hard drinking, hard drinking county.
Speaker 1: But Wisconsin, my goodness, and they like to pull a
Speaker 1: cork around Duluth too.
Speaker 2: I just love how clearly Utah's outlined in that map
Speaker 2: so you can't really tell it.
Speaker 1: And Appalachia, you know why, because they're making their own
Speaker 1: and they're lying about it. Yeah, don't have any no,
Speaker 1: none here, None of that stuff in this household.
Speaker 3: The dry county is here because.
Speaker 1: Appalaysia sober as the day is long. Wisconsin just wunk
Speaker 1: as a skunk. And he says, that is why you
Speaker 1: can't trust those people with us.
Speaker 3: With a speaking of tell us about forest floor foods,
Speaker 3: old fashioned kid Chester.
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, we have those on sale. So my
Speaker 5: dad he started this. We've talked about it before, like
Speaker 5: a cocktail garnish company for like Bloody Mary's and stuff.
Speaker 5: It's great state to be in for that kind of business,
Speaker 5: as you can see. But now meat Eater and they
Speaker 5: have been if they're selling that old fashioned kits on
Speaker 5: the website, so you know, after you get done spearing
Speaker 5: pike and whatnot, you can have yourself a cocktail.
Speaker 4: Continue to contribute to that dark navy blue color.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, they My parents actually just got their
Speaker 5: products at the Brewers Stadium, so they call the Brewers nice.
Speaker 5: That's big Packer games. They have some of their stuff there.
Speaker 7: Congrats.
Speaker 5: N kind of cool, yeah, kind of proud moment.
Speaker 1: Recently recovered the this move like all these people banning
Speaker 1: kangaroo leather.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Adiita Snike And why did.
Speaker 1: Doug Why did bubbly Doug write me a think about
Speaker 1: posh spice? Was she on the list of people remember
Speaker 1: the band?
Speaker 3: That's a Victoria Beckham? She's a huge eg fashion person.
Speaker 4: Now who's married to that?
Speaker 10: Was?
Speaker 2: Who that was? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, what's her story like? Did she is she protesting?
Speaker 1: Because Doug was pointing out her husband has used has
Speaker 1: worn out thousands of shoes made of kangaroo.
Speaker 4: I wonder if she is. We didn't I didn't research that.
Speaker 3: Wasn't Victoria Beckham one of the names that Steve listed
Speaker 3: in the in the p She's married to David Beckham and.
Speaker 1: She has a fashion line that will don't use kangaro leather,
Speaker 1: even though her old man's been running around and kangaroo.
Speaker 2: Shoes his entire life.
Speaker 1: There you go, genuine. Ozzie wrote in just thought I'd
Speaker 1: add some detail to how idiotic the kangaroo leather boycott
Speaker 1: is as a roushooter myself, as a way it's controlling kangaroos.
Speaker 1: We have two different permits, harvest permits and drop permits.
Speaker 1: Harvest permits require a firearm accuracy test, butchering course and
Speaker 1: certified holding rack to acquire on top of a gun
Speaker 1: license oh okay, a certified holding, so they're heavily licensed
Speaker 1: to get their firearm, which all in all costs around
Speaker 1: ten thousand bucks if starting from scratch. There are strict
Speaker 1: rules around the gutting and transport of kangaroos. Generally they
Speaker 1: are used for either pet food or human consumption, depending
Speaker 1: on your nearest drop point. A drop permit is as
Speaker 1: it sounds, you shoot the kangaroo and leave the carcass.
Speaker 1: I've heard about these. You legally cannot utilize any part
Speaker 1: of the carcass on that permit. These can be obtained
Speaker 1: by landowners and carried out by anyone with a gun
Speaker 1: license that's approved for hunting. Every year, the same amount
Speaker 1: of kangaroos are killed. They're either killed by a drop
Speaker 1: permit or they're killed by a harvest permit. If you're
Speaker 1: not using the harvest permits, they just shoot them under
Speaker 1: a drop permit. The amount of harvest permits that are
Speaker 1: used is proportional to the price you get per kilogram
Speaker 1: of kangaroo. At the moment, it's a buck twenty per
Speaker 1: kilogram of carcass weight. That market took a big hit
Speaker 1: last year. Price wise due to Germany banning the use
Speaker 1: of human consumption of kangaroo. That's pretty rich coming from that,
Speaker 1: And I can only assume the price will drop again
Speaker 1: with these US based bands on kangaroo leather. So what
Speaker 1: you will see in twenty twenty four, harvest permits will
Speaker 1: go down, drop permits will go way up. The same
Speaker 1: amount of kangaroos will hit the ground and they'll just
Speaker 1: lay there and rot on the ground.
Speaker 4: And he points out that kangaroo leather. They're not killing
Speaker 4: kangaroos for their leather. The leather is a byproduct of
Speaker 4: hunting the animal and consuming its meat.
Speaker 1: Much like beef leather, hm, cow leather, cattle letter, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to call it. You know you're not. No
Speaker 1: one's raising them. I shouldn't say no. Maybe some freakish situation.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 1: No one's raising them. Oh, you know, this girl I
Speaker 1: went to high school with married this dude who was
Speaker 1: from South America and he was in the cattle business.
Speaker 1: And this is crazy. He was telling me that he
Speaker 1: buys leather for luxury automobile manufacturers and he targets leather
Speaker 1: not from the US but from areas in South America
Speaker 1: where they don't use barbed wire.
Speaker 6: Oh huh, makes sense.
Speaker 4: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: He's he's looking for absolutely blemish free leather for the
Speaker 1: finest luxury cars and he needs to find it where
Speaker 1: there's no barboaring.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Put that podcast.
Speaker 1: That's good stuff right there.
Speaker 4: Just put it there.
Speaker 5: Kangaroo leather is like really really soft, right.
Speaker 4: I think I've I've heard it's really durable, but I don't.
Speaker 5: Durable and kind. I think my soccer shoes probably kangaroo
Speaker 5: leather back.
Speaker 2: In high school. You can buy like the kind of
Speaker 2: back to the ball sack topic, Like you can buy
Speaker 2: a kangaroo coin pouch, like we bought it at the
Speaker 2: airport when you're coming home from Australia, like a kangaroo nutsacker.
Speaker 1: You got that tattooed.
Speaker 2: That's what it's reminded me. Yeah, So because of Posh.
Speaker 6: Spice, a lot more kangaroos are just gonna good work.
Speaker 4: We should like partner with some hundreds in Australians start
Speaker 4: like a butcher box of sorts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had a whole different Like if
Speaker 1: I could like wrap up my current line of work,
Speaker 1: my new line of work would be parkas with coyote,
Speaker 1: rough kangaroo, leather sneakers. Now just double down on stuff.
Speaker 1: I would double down on great ideas that people are
Speaker 1: throwing out from being dumb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, utilize those natural materials that are going to waste.
Speaker 6: Yep, there you go.
Speaker 2: Ben.
Speaker 1: Are you are you interested in ethics? Connectquette?
Speaker 2: Not really not my strong for sure.
Speaker 1: Here's a listener. We got Chester in the rooms. We're
Speaker 1: gonna hit it. Currently listening to podcast episode four three
Speaker 1: to one, and I had to drop an interesting, complicated
Speaker 1: scenario that is related to the discussion the crew had
Speaker 1: regarding the unwarranted disclosure of the status of firearms in
Speaker 1: someone's house for the sake of guest children present in
Speaker 1: the house. This guy's a very good writer. Last summer,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I were on a No, he's not well.
Speaker 1: Plus he wasn't on the house, he was.
Speaker 7: In the house.
Speaker 4: They were on a rental house tour.
Speaker 2: He's back to being a good rite.
Speaker 1: Last summer of my girlfriend and I were on a
Speaker 1: rental house tour for a prospective apartment in Western New York.
Speaker 1: At one point during the tour, we sat down with
Speaker 1: the landlord. I should note this is a parenthetical. I
Speaker 1: should note that she was a novice landlord as this
Speaker 1: was about to be her first rental property. To review
Speaker 1: our responses to a tenant questionnaire, we filled out. One
Speaker 1: of the questions on the questionnaire inquired about firearms ownership
Speaker 1: and potential gun storage in the apartment. I, being an
Speaker 1: honest person, checked yes and had to elaborate to the
Speaker 1: landlord that I am an avid hunter in firearms enthusiasts
Speaker 1: and have several firearms that I intended to keep properly
Speaker 1: locked away in the apartment if we had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to sign a lease. I even went so far as
Speaker 1: to show the landlord my valid pistol permit. Regardless of
Speaker 1: my auntswer I could tell the landlord seemed very uneasy
Speaker 1: about firearms being stored on her property. After the tour ended,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend got very upset with me for potentially ruining
Speaker 1: our chances at being able to sign a lease.
Speaker 2: Should I have lied, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Dude, But he didn't know initially what this girl's reaction
Speaker 5: was going to be.
Speaker 2: Right, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: If the things said do you plan on partying? What
Speaker 1: are you gonna put?
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yes, occasionally, I don't think so. I'm
Speaker 2: from I think the least amount of people that know
Speaker 2: that you have firearms, the better.
Speaker 1: I would have put down. I would have put down
Speaker 1: short for Nunya, which is no.
Speaker 2: Mind your business?
Speaker 5: Really, Yes, absolutely, yeah, even if you didn't know what,
Speaker 5: like I suppose have the question in there was a
Speaker 5: red flag, well it's.
Speaker 1: A liability question. I would have flat outled. I would
Speaker 1: have flat outlighted, and I wouldn't have viewed it as
Speaker 1: a moral infraction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I agree. I probably would have done the same thing
Speaker 5: as he did, later thinking I should have lied about.
Speaker 1: It Chester because it's chattikit. Yeah, you get to have
Speaker 1: the final say.
Speaker 5: Oh, the final say.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 3: He's struggling. This is tough.
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I it's depends how bad they
Speaker 5: wanted the apartment. There's a lot of things in there
Speaker 5: that ches.
Speaker 1: You don't get wishy washy bro.
Speaker 5: I probably would have done the same thing he did.
Speaker 4: Do.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 7: It's not lying.
Speaker 1: It's not lying, it's deferring. It's it's not lying, it's
Speaker 1: it's putting. It's it's it's uh.
Speaker 5: When someone asks you do you plan on storing something
Speaker 5: in this place? And you tell him no, and then
Speaker 5: you do it. That's a lie.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me put it this way. Let's say your heartboring,
Speaker 1: that's why it's okay. Let's say you're let's okay, here's
Speaker 1: let's say this. Let's say you look out the window
Speaker 1: and there's a cold blooded axe murderer in your yard
Speaker 1: and he knocks on the door and says, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna murder your wife.
Speaker 2: Where is she?
Speaker 1: And you say, well, You're like, well, I can't lie.
Speaker 2: She's in the closet.
Speaker 3: But that's different, Nori. This is a one to one scenario,
Speaker 3: perfect analogy.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you probably got to grab one of
Speaker 2: those guns.
Speaker 6: And film full of holes.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, I'd be like it. She's she's in
Speaker 5: the bedroom right now. And if you try and take
Speaker 5: one step in this house, I've got a shotgun sitting
Speaker 5: right next to the door. We're gonna have a dog.
Speaker 1: Try to think of another scenario.
Speaker 2: All right, here's I got a scenario where Chester has
Speaker 2: to lie. Yeah. Yeah, So say you check into a hotel,
Speaker 2: you put down one guest, one room, then you meet
Speaker 2: a go off tinder. I mean, obviously this doesn't apply
Speaker 2: to you. You're gonna go to the front desk and
Speaker 2: tell them you have another guest in your room. No,
Speaker 2: I need to update.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, ma'am, excuse me. I just actually do need
Speaker 1: to add a guest to my room. And then Chester
Speaker 1: has to go back to his date and be like,
Speaker 1: the lobby's closed. You're just gonna have to go home
Speaker 1: because I can't update my thing to say that there's
Speaker 1: two people in this room. I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 4: At the time that he said one person, he was
Speaker 4: telling the truth. It's different to update.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could allow that, but I think you got
Speaker 2: to gauge the situation because there might be cases where
Speaker 2: the landlord wants you to have guns in the house too.
Speaker 2: Maybe that could win you an apartment. You have to judge.
Speaker 2: Judge lit the landlord a little bit character. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: she's wearing a you know, federal shirt, Yeah, I got guns.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he.
Speaker 5: I don't even know if the if he I think
Speaker 5: him lying in that case is valid.
Speaker 4: Looks like you're struggling there. I think you're just.
Speaker 5: Wasn't feel.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't know.
Speaker 5: The big thing here is probably know not have guns
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 6: It's New York.
Speaker 7: Give us.
Speaker 1: The final answer.
Speaker 5: I think if your wife really wanted that apartment and
Speaker 5: you did too, and you had guns, mm hmm, then
Speaker 5: h you could fib about it a little bit.
Speaker 9: Let's say you were Harriet Tubman Apple's Taples.
Speaker 5: I mean, did he get the apartment?
Speaker 2: I didn't read that far.
Speaker 4: No, either way, the scenario really chapped my Oh. Sorry,
Speaker 4: Luckily for me, we ended up living elsewhere for unrelated reasons.
Speaker 2: There you go, a little wishy washy Chester Ben.
Speaker 1: You'll appreciate this one. This is our last news item.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm ready. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: A repeat violator, shed hunt violator punished crank can't spell punished?
Speaker 4: Yes, Typo.
Speaker 1: A Bozeman man, so hometown man convicted of illegally stashing
Speaker 1: shed antlers in Wyoming, they point out to profit by
Speaker 1: selling them as dog chews. Can't set foot on federal
Speaker 1: public land or hunt anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: I don't get that one. Oh, because it's federal.
Speaker 5: Why the world?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, federal. Oh, it's federal.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: So there's this thing called the there's this thing that's
Speaker 1: the It used to be the Western States Violator Compact,
Speaker 1: which now is way.
Speaker 2: Beyond the way.
Speaker 1: Now it's everybody. So if you lose your hunting privileges,
Speaker 1: if you lose your hunting and fishing privilege, hunting and
Speaker 1: or fishing privileges in any state, you lose them in
Speaker 1: every state that belongs to the Violator Compact and now provinces.
Speaker 1: At a time, it was like a collection of Western
Speaker 1: states because they would just have a problem with they'd
Speaker 1: have like a repeat violator, right, and then he'd be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so I lost my hunting privileges in Wyoming. I'll just
Speaker 1: hunt Montana and Colorado, no problem. And so all these
Speaker 1: states started signing out. And now I think it's like,
Speaker 1: I know, Hawaii's not in it, Nebraska's not either, Nebraska
Speaker 1: not in it, but forty some states are. It's forty
Speaker 1: eight are in the compact, and then several provinces are
Speaker 1: in the compact. So this guy was is in federal trouble.
Speaker 1: But here's what he was doing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you do this, Ben, hopefully not, you won't. I love
Speaker 1: how this article uses the word rat hole.
Speaker 2: He was going into.
Speaker 1: Into areas before they're open, so shed hunting areas before
Speaker 1: they open up, finding big piles of sheds and rat
Speaker 1: hole and.
Speaker 2: I know people that do.
Speaker 1: I've known people that have done this in their younger,
Speaker 1: more reckless days. Uh, he's just going to make a
Speaker 1: little stashes and then wait for the season to open
Speaker 1: and go up and get it. But he got caught
Speaker 1: doing it multiple times. For the first offense, he was
Speaker 1: ordered to pay fifteen thousand dollars in restitution to the
Speaker 1: Wyoming Game and Fish Department and subject to a five
Speaker 1: year worldwide band on hunting. He was also ordered to
Speaker 1: not set foot for five years on the National Elk
Speaker 1: Refuge near Jackson or in Teetown or Yellowstone Parks. Says
Speaker 1: the tactics were well known to investigators. Illegal shed antler
Speaker 1: hunters tried to hide stashes of antlers ahead of the
Speaker 1: season opener, then return to get them when the season opens.
Speaker 4: That's not a cash.
Speaker 1: That's a onewy three year old law on the refuge.
Speaker 2: Wow. Oh.
Speaker 1: He was charged both times under the federal Lacy Act.
Speaker 1: For you folks at home, here's what the Lacy Act is.
Speaker 1: The Lacy Act means that if you break a game law,
Speaker 1: like let's say you're in Michigan and you poach a deer. Okay,
Speaker 1: you poach a buck and your tax dervices in Indiana,
Speaker 1: and so you poach a buck and you drive an
Speaker 1: hour south to bring it to your tax nermous in Indiana.
Speaker 1: You violated Michigan's law by poaching a deer. You also
Speaker 1: violated federal law because you committed a wild LA violation
Speaker 1: across state lines. The reason they brought that into play
Speaker 1: was when they were first trying to establish game laws
Speaker 1: and conservation laws, they had states that would just turn
Speaker 1: a blind eye to violations. So like the plume hunters
Speaker 1: in Florida who would hunt for feathers for hat adornments.
Speaker 1: It was illegal, but no one cared, not no one cared,
Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything about it. Florida just lacks about enforcement.
Speaker 1: So then they'd say, Okay, we're gonna make a thing
Speaker 1: that if you're a plume hunter and you shoot an
Speaker 1: egret in Florida and then bring those feathers to sell
Speaker 1: them to a dealer in New York, I don't care
Speaker 1: what the state says. You violated a federal law now
Speaker 1: and you could really go after the poachers. And that
Speaker 1: was like that was a nineteen hundred. That was like
Speaker 1: very important to getting uncontrolled market hunting under control with
Speaker 1: the LASIAC. So this guy had a LASIAC violation because
Speaker 1: she was bringing those antlers across state lines into Montana
Speaker 1: and then it was also selling them online.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a dog chewed dealer, I understand. That's the
Speaker 2: way I understand it. So he was going out and
Speaker 2: collecting inventory, and I thought I read somewhere that he
Speaker 2: was cutting him up and like bringing him out in
Speaker 2: horse saddle bags.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure if he's actually cutting him up
Speaker 2: out on the the ranger if that was just the
Speaker 2: way they made a sound in the article.
Speaker 5: But Ben, you've probably seen some crazy stuff shed hunting,
Speaker 5: because I feel like shed hunters that I know that
Speaker 5: are real serious about it have seen some pretty wild
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I've seen. Well, I just seen
Speaker 2: a lot of people do shady stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: mean that happens a lot. Like the stashing is is
Speaker 2: very normal. Like I found stash piles before more people
Speaker 2: stashed them during close times. You know, you walk up
Speaker 2: and them be five or six and one pile or something.
Speaker 2: But and then what do you do take them? I'm
Speaker 2: not going to leave them, Oh, because you're there doing staff.
Speaker 2: I'm legally yeah, I'll look around like I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to rob him from a guy who maybe just like
Speaker 2: made a little pile and went to go look for
Speaker 2: more that day. You know, but if they're clearly there
Speaker 2: from before the season, it's really only happened one time
Speaker 2: like that where they were clearly there from before the
Speaker 2: season and I just took them.
Speaker 1: We had it was a tragedy where not too far
Speaker 1: from here, a guy was killed shed hunting, killed by
Speaker 1: grizzly last spring shed hunting, and when they did the investigation,
Speaker 1: he had done one of those. Yeah, he had a
Speaker 1: little stash of antlers he found, left him on a ridge,
Speaker 1: went down into a bowl and got killed by a bear.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he had his little micro stash there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's pretty common, you know, if you get into
Speaker 2: a good handful of antlers to just leave him somewhere
Speaker 2: so you can keep covering miles and find it more
Speaker 2: and then you just pull him out later, as long
Speaker 2: as it's all legal. You know.
Speaker 1: How did you get into the custodian business.
Speaker 2: I kind of fell into it. It was I was
Speaker 2: doing I was going to school to be a paramedic.
Speaker 2: I was going to be a paramedic firefighter, and I
Speaker 2: had a year in between finishing my EMT one and
Speaker 2: two and then starting a paramedic program. I had to
Speaker 2: like wait a year for the course to come up again.
Speaker 2: And so I moved to the city where the school
Speaker 2: was where I was going to go to paramedic school,
Speaker 2: and just was looking for kind of a job in
Speaker 2: the meantime. And a buddy of mine was the head
Speaker 2: custodian at a local high school, offered me a job
Speaker 2: and so I started working there for him, just kind
Speaker 2: of waiting for that course. And then I just decided
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be a paramedic, so I started
Speaker 2: just working as a janitor or whatever, and it gave
Speaker 2: me a lot of free time on my phone. I
Speaker 2: started building this brand while I was working on the clock.
Speaker 2: So thanks to the Washington County School District sponsoring me
Speaker 2: in a way. Yeah, and then I kind of just
Speaker 2: transformed into this from that.
Speaker 1: But were you a daytime or nighttime custodian?
Speaker 2: I was a swing shift custodian, so I'd go in
Speaker 2: like two PM. I'd be there for all the evening activities,
Speaker 2: football games, whatever was going on at the school, and
Speaker 2: I'd have like a cleaning list and I would get
Speaker 2: off like at ten pm.
Speaker 1: Were you popular with the kids?
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't really see them too much because
Speaker 2: they were all even school when I got there, But
Speaker 2: like I had some Yeah, definitely some buddies and stuff
Speaker 2: like there're some some kids that were fun to be around,
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of obnoxious ones too.
Speaker 1: When you started getting really into shed hunting, well, when
Speaker 1: did you get really into shed hunting?
Speaker 2: I got like crazy into it maybe twelve thirteen years ago,
Speaker 2: like right before I got married is when I got
Speaker 2: really really into it. But I've been doing it off
Speaker 2: and on since I was like fourteen fifteen years old.
Speaker 1: Why, I mean, do you like them better? Like, do
Speaker 1: you like them better hooked to the skull or better
Speaker 1: off the skull?
Speaker 2: It's a toss up. It's tough. There's definitely been times
Speaker 2: like when I was more into shed hunting than hunting, Like.
Speaker 1: Would you ever be like, oh, I could shoot that
Speaker 1: big buck, but I might wait because I could probably
Speaker 1: pick his antlers up after they fell off.
Speaker 2: No, just because the probability of getting them so low.
Speaker 2: But I mean there's times where like you see a
Speaker 2: big bull get killed and you're like, damn, I wish
Speaker 2: I could have found his sheds instead of seeing him die.
Speaker 2: You know really, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: And then when you got into it, did you got
Speaker 1: into it because the market.
Speaker 2: Part of it, Yeah, for sure, Like just the ability
Speaker 2: to be able to pay yourself back, you know, pay
Speaker 2: yourself a little bit of fuel money for going out
Speaker 2: and finding Antler's. And then I really got into it
Speaker 2: because my brother in laws were just crazy about it
Speaker 2: since they were I mean since the early nineties, they've
Speaker 2: been just wild about it. And where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2: Southern Utah? What town Cedar City is where I was born,
Speaker 2: and then I live in Laverkin now and they were
Speaker 2: making bank. I mean, they had a lot of Antler
Speaker 2: back then, but the prices weren't what they are now.
Speaker 2: So I mean it's kind of the same. Like now
Speaker 2: you can find less antler and make the same amount
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 1: But whatder prices right now?
Speaker 2: I think the last I checked on Elk, it's like
Speaker 2: seventeen to eighteen dollars a pound for a brown Elk Antler,
Speaker 2: and then your hard white will be anywhere like ten
Speaker 2: to eleven. And then chalk, Like maybe chalk kind of
Speaker 2: has the most variation. If your antler buyer has a
Speaker 2: good market for chalk, you could get four four dollars
Speaker 2: a pound maybe out of your chalk antler, and if
Speaker 2: he doesn't, maybe a dollar two dollars.
Speaker 6: Do those prices fluctuate much?
Speaker 2: They do? Yeah, Like it seems lately they've just gone
Speaker 2: up a dollar or two every year. Oh, and they
Speaker 2: kind of start off like if a buyer gets desperate
Speaker 2: to fill an order towards the end of the buying season,
Speaker 2: he might bump his prices up. So sometimes you can
Speaker 2: do better by hanging on a little bit, yeah, and
Speaker 2: get maybe another fifty cents a dollar a pound.
Speaker 5: Do you know what kind of profit these buyers are making.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was a buyer for like maybe
Speaker 2: a year or two, and I was aimed for a
Speaker 2: dollar a pound. But I was middleman of middlemen, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I was basically just using social media to find
Speaker 2: the seller buying antler and selling them to another antler buyer.
Speaker 2: And I just tried to make a dollar a pound
Speaker 2: and buy as many as I could, gotcha. So I
Speaker 2: think like on the top end they're trying to make
Speaker 2: a few dollars a pound per antler, like per Yeah.
Speaker 4: How many layers do you think there are in this?
Speaker 4: Like seventeen middlemen?
Speaker 2: It depends. When I was buying, the buyer that I
Speaker 2: would sell to had a buyer that he sold to,
Speaker 2: and he was an exporter. At that time, most the
Speaker 2: antler was going overseas for medicinal type stuff, and I know,
Speaker 2: I mean there had to be me than him, then
Speaker 2: the exporter, and then whoever he was selling to in China.
Speaker 2: So I mean it could be five or six layers
Speaker 2: to it, but a lot of it now is more.
Speaker 2: I mean it can be direct consumer because a lot
Speaker 2: of people who find them cut them and sell them
Speaker 2: for dog choice, or they sell them to a buyer
Speaker 2: who cuts them and sells them for dog chuice. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of a lessened the the tears of the
Speaker 2: market a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's been your thoughts on, Well, I'll ask you this
Speaker 1: not then we'll go back to we'll go back to earlier.
Speaker 1: What's been your thoughts on sort of what I gathered
Speaker 1: from my perspective to be increasing sensitivity around shed hunting
Speaker 1: activities and how they affect animals at their most vulnerable
Speaker 1: state in the winter.
Speaker 2: I think it's I feel like it's overblown, like from
Speaker 2: what I can see in my experience. Either I'm fully
Speaker 2: biased one hundred percent admit that I want I want
Speaker 2: to shed hunt and I want to shed hut more.
Speaker 2: I hate shed seasons. I've been an opponent to shed
Speaker 2: seasons almost across the board.
Speaker 1: Have you yeah, walt me through it? Want me through first.
Speaker 1: I want to see how good you can do. Articulate
Speaker 1: for me why someone would want shed seasons.
Speaker 2: So, the theory behind most shed seasons is animals are depleted.
Speaker 2: You know, shed hunters on the landscape, displaces the wildlife,
Speaker 2: further depletes them and causes an increase in winter kill.
Speaker 2: That's the idea, and that sounds, you know, pretty solid,
Speaker 2: common sense, makes it makes sense to most people, and
Speaker 2: that's why these seasons continually get a lot of support.
Speaker 2: In my experience, I don't think that's necessarily true. I
Speaker 2: guess it has to put like an asterisk there, because
Speaker 2: in certain cases it can be true, like this winner
Speaker 2: with the snow levels, how they have been Like I
Speaker 2: actually ended up supporting the seasons that were put in place,
Speaker 2: like emergency closures in Houtah this year, a more surgical approach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: That's always been my thing is I want them to
Speaker 2: actually do the research and decide which areas need to
Speaker 2: be open and which areas need to be closed, instead
Speaker 2: of just saying a mass oh, okay, stays closed. Because
Speaker 2: I live in the desert, I live into the south
Speaker 2: end of the state, our deer don't really win or kill.
Speaker 2: Our elk don't winter kill, they never will, rarely get snowbound.
Speaker 2: We don't deal with the same issues as the rest
Speaker 2: of the state, but we always get shut down. And
Speaker 2: I understand their logic, like they're trying to keep the
Speaker 2: northern people from flooding us out in the south, So
Speaker 2: it's not no season, isn't the best solution. I don't
Speaker 2: like the full closure either, so I don't know. I
Speaker 2: guess I'm not really making a great argument for my case.
Speaker 2: But my experience is that I can shed hunt without
Speaker 2: disturbing animals for the most part, like you are going
Speaker 2: to bump them. But I think that they're a lot
Speaker 2: tougher than people give them credit for. And I think
Speaker 2: displacing an elk, like if it stands up out of
Speaker 2: its bed and identifies you as a threat or not
Speaker 2: a threat. It stands around for a minute, maybe runs
Speaker 2: up the hill, and beds back down. I don't see
Speaker 2: that actually causing much harm. I've never seen any data
Speaker 2: to support that it does.
Speaker 1: So it does, Yeah, I could see that it might
Speaker 1: be theoretical. But there's an issue we've been covering a
Speaker 1: lot is the trail cam issue. Okay, And in talking
Speaker 1: about Arizona, Utah, Kansas public lands banning trail cams, we've
Speaker 1: gotten into like what are the different motivations for it,
Speaker 1: where some people that are some people that don't like
Speaker 1: trail cams are coming and saying violation of privacy. There's
Speaker 1: an assumed privacy on public lands. Yeah, and it's a
Speaker 1: violation of privacy. There's people that come and make this
Speaker 1: argument like, oh, it's not fair. It's like the whole
Speaker 1: fair chase thing about trail camps.
Speaker 2: But we had.
Speaker 1: Frequent guests on the show, Jim Hefflefinger, who's a biologist
Speaker 1: in Arizona. He sent us some materials on the trail
Speaker 1: cam question in Arizona, and there's a wrinkle to it
Speaker 1: that I hadn't considered.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: One he sends us a picture of a water hole
Speaker 1: in Arizona that has fifteen cameras on it. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: the strip. I'm sure. A concern that was articulated in
Speaker 1: the documents that he sent was something I hadn't thought of.
Speaker 1: It was if you put fifteen cameras. First off, you
Speaker 1: have limited water, You're in a desert ecosystem, you have
Speaker 1: limited water. You have fifteen people monitoring pulling cards on cameras.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hadn't thought about.
Speaker 1: He's like, the amount of disturbance that is happening of
Speaker 1: a large group of animals, that's their place to go
Speaker 1: get water, The amount of time they need to be
Speaker 1: able to spend there getting cool, getting water, and the
Speaker 1: constant disturbance of people coming to check the cameras at
Speaker 1: the water is one articulation of what is the issue.
Speaker 1: So that's not even a thing I had considered. I've
Speaker 1: never considered wildlife disturbance. But I don't know that someone
Speaker 1: would go and measure. I suppose you could go and
Speaker 1: measure the cost of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be a tough thing to actually determine, because
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you look at the health of
Speaker 2: the animal versus the pressure and determine that that was
Speaker 2: the cause. But I think, like you're saying, with the
Speaker 2: trail cameras, I think that's a great argument for cell cameras,
Speaker 2: you know, is to those people don't have to go
Speaker 2: out there and actually check that, yeah, that water source.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is a concern, especially out there in
Speaker 2: Arizona where there's that many cameras while the hunts are going.
Speaker 2: When it was allowed to run cameras during the hunts,
Speaker 2: those outfitters and guys were checking those cameras daily to
Speaker 2: see what had come in during the night. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a legitimate argument there. When you.
Speaker 1: So when you started Shed Crazy, like just like a
Speaker 1: sort of brand company whatever around shed hunting, do you
Speaker 1: imagine it being do you imagine yourself being mainly into
Speaker 1: shed hunting as a because they're cool to look at,
Speaker 1: or because you because you can make money messing around outside,
Speaker 1: which is everybody's dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always it was always kind of both to me.
Speaker 2: Like I love antlers, I still like go crazy. That
Speaker 2: sounds stupid. I love antlers. You go crazy? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: go crazy for ant But yeah I still am. I
Speaker 2: love to find big antlers. I love the idea that
Speaker 2: you can go to these premium units and find you know,
Speaker 2: giant bowls and Giant Bucks without having to get a
Speaker 2: tag there. You get experience those places. But yeah, there
Speaker 2: was always a financial element to it. For me in
Speaker 2: the beginning. It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to grow
Speaker 2: this brand so that I don't have to work anymore.
Speaker 2: It was just everybody on Instagram seemed like they were
Speaker 2: starting pages that were like, you know whatever, big book
Speaker 2: Killer Outdoors, and it was a thing to do. And
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, I want to check that page
Speaker 2: probably exists, and I'm like, I'll start on Instagram about
Speaker 2: my passion on the side, which is you know, finding
Speaker 2: sheds and finding antlers. And I lived right down the
Speaker 2: road from Newly Crazy. I'm like, oh, shake Crazy sounds
Speaker 2: pretty cool. So just ripped them off kind.
Speaker 1: Of How how would you rate? Uh? How would you? Okay,
Speaker 1: I think that that, uh, lion hunting.
Speaker 2: Is really really hard.
Speaker 1: Hound hunting for line, especially dry ground lion hunting. I
Speaker 1: think it's like very very very hard, like maybe one
Speaker 1: of the most challenging outdoor pursuits. Okay, I think that
Speaker 1: land I think that like uh.
Speaker 2: Trapping uh fox and coyotes is hard.
Speaker 1: Technically difficult okay, and then you can like kind of
Speaker 1: rank all these things out right, all these different outdoor pursuits.
Speaker 1: Do you like, do you think that there's how much
Speaker 1: uh skill? Do you feel like, how much skill are
Speaker 1: you utilizing as a shed hunter?
Speaker 2: This? I don't know that I would have even call
Speaker 2: it skill as much as like determination.
Speaker 1: It's like but think about it fer me though, And
Speaker 1: I'm wanna put words your mouth, but you have to
Speaker 1: know where they are, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where are they standing the day when their antler falls off?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You do put a ton of time into the
Speaker 2: online maps and to understanding like the feed that they're utilizing,
Speaker 2: migration routes, where they are when the snow melts, where
Speaker 2: they're able to travel to because of snow, what the
Speaker 2: wind's doing, where they're able to find places to get
Speaker 2: out of the wind. You look at stuff like where
Speaker 2: the green up happened first, what kind of grass they
Speaker 2: were hitting early spring. So there is like a large
Speaker 2: barrier to being able to do it successfully is and
Speaker 2: you have to learn all that stuff. But then like
Speaker 2: there's a lot of places too, like even in Arizona,
Speaker 2: where there's just big seed or flats that have elk
Speaker 2: antlers in them, and it's just those places you walk
Speaker 2: enough miles, you're gonna find sheds. So it's like anything.
Speaker 2: It's like saying, you know, ranking it next to mule
Speaker 2: deer hunting or whatever. To kill a big mule deer,
Speaker 2: a big mature buck is hard to kill any mule
Speaker 2: deer is not that difficult. But shed hunting is the
Speaker 2: same way. If you want to find you know, smaller
Speaker 2: antlers or a lot of antlers, it's not terribly difficult
Speaker 2: to just find wintering ground where there's a lot of
Speaker 2: animals hanging out and you'll be able to find a few.
Speaker 2: If you want to target big bulls on premium units
Speaker 2: that a lot of other people are also targeting, or
Speaker 2: big mule deer, then you do have to do your homework.
Speaker 2: So it's tough for me. I think finding a big
Speaker 2: set of sheds is harder than like killing a bowl
Speaker 2: on a unit in Utah. Really for me, it's hasn't been.
Speaker 2: I've killed a lot more elk than I have found
Speaker 2: like giant sets of sheds.
Speaker 1: So right now, let's say you go to take a
Speaker 1: premium unit like name. It doesn't need to be one
Speaker 1: of your favorite ones, but name like what you'd regard
Speaker 1: as a great shed hunting state, locality, whatever however you
Speaker 1: want to put it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean Arizona is a good state, and there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of good units in Arizona.
Speaker 1: What percent of the antlers get picked up? Let's say
Speaker 1: you took a unit, doesn't need to be a specific one,
Speaker 1: take taking your mind, a great shed antler unit, a
Speaker 1: destination shed antler unit. Yeah, uh, what percent of the
Speaker 1: antlers to hit the ground? I think you can get
Speaker 1: as high as fifty percent.
Speaker 5: You can probably kind of gauge it on how many
Speaker 5: like white and chalks you're finding.
Speaker 1: With the popularity of it chalks, it's like, oh, someone
Speaker 1: didn't find that one, right.
Speaker 2: That's the coolest thing about finding the chalk is that
Speaker 2: people missed it for multiple years, you know, and you
Speaker 2: just hit the right line to pick it up. But
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think in very popular units they
Speaker 2: get half and maybe more just judging them. I mean
Speaker 2: there are places now where I shed hint where you're
Speaker 2: pretty much only finding browns, so that most of them,
Speaker 2: most of them get picked up.
Speaker 1: Did you know you're sitting across the table from an
Speaker 1: exceptional shed hunter I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't even try, so Wow, He's drawn to him
Speaker 2: like like a magnet, like like like a fly to excrement.
Speaker 5: He is kind of like that one we've found in
Speaker 5: uh uh, Michigan, Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seth, he found an antler hanging from a grape
Speaker 1: vine mich ducked under it so as to not poked
Speaker 1: my eye out.
Speaker 6: I found a couple of kansas on this line.
Speaker 1: You could be walking five people walking in the line, says,
Speaker 1: taking up the rear, and also you looking he's holding.
Speaker 2: Antler, No kidding, Well, the shed eye is a real thing, Like.
Speaker 1: He's got a shed eye. Yeah, well, I think it's
Speaker 1: like a Jedi.
Speaker 6: But I'm always like when i'm I think I'm a
Speaker 6: bad hunter because I'm always looking at the ground because
Speaker 6: you always find cool ship laying on the ground, like
Speaker 6: arrowheads and sheds and cool rock.
Speaker 1: I can't stop. I got I want you to finish,
Speaker 1: but I'm so hung up on can we let's make
Speaker 1: Can we have a hunter make a shirt that says
Speaker 1: of shedd eye Warrior.
Speaker 2: It's like in my language, every think should no, But
Speaker 2: I think I follow a dude that's count On instagramad.
Speaker 5: Warriors, so like a Jedi.
Speaker 1: It looked like Luke Skywalker holding the antler.
Speaker 2: I remember, I don't know. I think maybe I've seen
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: There TYPD Warrior where it's Luke Skywalker, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know how like uh, it's like he's got laying everybody,
Speaker 1: he's kind of on the top and he's holding that
Speaker 1: lightsaber up in the sky.
Speaker 2: Yeah he could be holding, but he's holding the antler.
Speaker 1: I like that return of the shed Eye.
Speaker 2: When you find him.
Speaker 1: Let's do this, but don't ask any freaking lawyers about it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's no Yeah, yeah, but I google it.
Speaker 2: It might just be like a user name for for
Speaker 2: somebody on Instagram.
Speaker 4: Go straight to Instagram.
Speaker 3: But he's like not, I think we're still good.
Speaker 2: I think we are at people.
Speaker 1: Oh shut eye master, Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what He's got.
Speaker 2: Pictures of his girlfriend, so he doesn't care that much,
Speaker 2: committed at all. No, he's she dedicated because he does
Speaker 2: a lot of hunting and stuff too.
Speaker 6: He's gonna be stuffed.
Speaker 2: By shed crazy. I think I follow him.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, never mind, he already came up with it.
Speaker 4: It's okay, Yeah, this was completely and he doesn't have
Speaker 4: a shirt.
Speaker 1: Maybe we do a deal where he gets a buck
Speaker 1: off every shirt.
Speaker 2: Say I said it, I want the buck off everything.
Speaker 2: You didn't say it like Jedi.
Speaker 1: You said it like a said shde but you meant
Speaker 1: it like Jedi.
Speaker 2: If I say that, I get the dollar a shirt,
Speaker 2: damn it. No, you can just do it. That's all right,
Speaker 2: you can have it. That one's free. I'll have some
Speaker 2: other good ideas in this podcast I have to charge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel now like we can't do it
Speaker 1: because this guy already came.
Speaker 2: Up with him. But does he have like a logo
Speaker 2: or it's called the Shaddye Master. Come on, it's a
Speaker 2: good name, right, yeah, but there's nothing that has to
Speaker 2: do with like spin offs from stars Horses.
Speaker 1: The whole name is a spinoff from star Wars. After
Speaker 1: this podcast, Jettikut question for you on the right, dar Chester.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about stealing someone's idea.
Speaker 2: And making didn't steal it.
Speaker 4: You didn't know about it, Okay, and we have I can.
Speaker 5: Tell you right now this podcast, we definitely kind of
Speaker 5: came up with this idea ourselves, not knowing about this guy.
Speaker 5: We should probably reach out to him.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's in the public domains. Go back and
Speaker 2: see how long it's been on Instagram.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if he has, it's good. I mean,
Speaker 5: if there is not a T shirt out there, SHEDI master.
Speaker 1: He invented shed Sorry Chester, gohead.
Speaker 5: If there's not a T shirt out there with a
Speaker 5: guy that looks like a Jedi holding up a shed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got none of that.
Speaker 5: We should be able to do it.
Speaker 2: I think it's fair play.
Speaker 4: The jury says, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Well, because I feel bad now, please.
Speaker 2: Collab. I might have to call the shedde I asked
Speaker 2: her shoot him an Instagram message.
Speaker 1: Heads up, yeah, because here's the deal though, too, you
Speaker 1: said shedd I like game I shd I. When you
Speaker 1: said shaddy, did you were you thinking about how it
Speaker 1: sounds like Jedi or did you just mean a good
Speaker 1: game I shed eye.
Speaker 2: It's both right. We called the shed Ie. We've called
Speaker 2: it the shed I forever. But I mean it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily referencing Star Wars, so it wasn't like a play
Speaker 2: on jet. I didn't like envision, you know, Seth fully
Speaker 2: decked out in Star Wars regal.
Speaker 5: Wait are you saying CHEDI or.
Speaker 2: Too?
Speaker 6: That's good?
Speaker 2: Let me see.
Speaker 6: When you click on it says page not found. But
Speaker 6: someone made a shed Eye Master t shirt before.
Speaker 2: What's the site? Well, no, it's a cowboy wielding of antler.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean, well.
Speaker 2: It's close enough.
Speaker 1: Don't talk to any lawyers, Karin. Time to get a
Speaker 1: good idea, to go to a lawyer, they're gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: I recommend against it.
Speaker 3: I got let's just wait for the cease and assists.
Speaker 3: It's like when has to play a song on the podcast, like, well.
Speaker 1: Let's go check with the lawyer.
Speaker 2: We'll just never mind. Let's just not do it. Happen
Speaker 2: you're check with the lawyers.
Speaker 1: Don't do it because they're gonna tell you no.
Speaker 5: Every good idea that you think you have. Nowadays, it's
Speaker 5: really hard to find somebody. I've got a real good
Speaker 5: idea that I thought of the other day.
Speaker 6: Don't say it chets and we'll steal it.
Speaker 5: But I think it would be I don't think I
Speaker 5: could do it unless it was with you guys.
Speaker 2: Tell me later. It'd be a conflicting.
Speaker 1: Why did shed Crazy become a humor site. It's like
Speaker 1: a comedy site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to have you on because I
Speaker 1: always get like a mega chuckle.
Speaker 2: Oh good. Yeah, it was really like kind of my
Speaker 2: wife's doing. So she's funny, No, she's not. I mean
Speaker 2: she's not going to listen to this, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't care what you do. No, really, she
Speaker 2: didn't even know where She texted me before, like where
Speaker 2: are you again?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: But no, she is actually pretty funny. But I kind
Speaker 2: of like when I started the page, I thought people
Speaker 2: wanted like badass hunting content, you know, So I was
Speaker 2: trying to go down the road of like, oh, cool
Speaker 2: guy stuff. Yeah, and like she would look at my Instagram,
Speaker 2: She's like this is like not even close to who
Speaker 2: you are, Like why do you pretend to be like
Speaker 2: a tough guy on the internet? And so I started thinking.
Speaker 1: About it, and did you have like kiss makeup?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't that tough. Like I didn't paint
Speaker 2: my face or go to the gym or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But so you didn't get any kind of any kind
Speaker 1: of injections.
Speaker 2: No, I mean nothing, maybe minor like light drugs. But
Speaker 2: so she I used to send her stupid videos like
Speaker 2: when I was out hiking I just make dumb videos
Speaker 2: and send them to her, and she was just laugh
Speaker 2: at them, and she's like, why don't wy don't you
Speaker 2: post these, Like why don't you show people that, like
Speaker 2: you have a good sense of humor. So randomly I
Speaker 2: just started posting just stupid videos about like little Debbie
Speaker 2: snack cakes and energy drinks and whatever else, and they
Speaker 2: started doing way better than any of the shed stuff
Speaker 2: I was doing.
Speaker 7: So I just started rolling with that.
Speaker 2: Kind of see what sticks.
Speaker 1: You know, there's the one you did. It was a
Speaker 1: while ago, but you did one about it was like
Speaker 1: you talking like when someone asked you where you killed
Speaker 1: a buck or something like that. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: just the most like OFU skating answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's that Napoleon Dynamite clip the guy
Speaker 2: talking about finding narrowheads. But yeah, I like that stuff.
Speaker 2: Man to me, like, I want hunting to be like fun.
Speaker 2: I like, the whole badass mentality thing is so old
Speaker 2: and it's so played out and you have to like
Speaker 2: post a reel with like ass rock music in the
Speaker 2: background and then like make yourself look cool. I hate
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 5: I did one of those fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Jess was legitimately tough though. Yeah, obviously
Speaker 1: tattoos and everything. His nickname at work is the muscle Hamster.
Speaker 2: I could see it. I could see it. Oh he
Speaker 2: beat your ass. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure you would
Speaker 2: not shed though, beat you like a.
Speaker 5: God.
Speaker 1: So then you started doing that, But like, how do you, uh,
Speaker 1: you quit your job? Yeah, but it wasn't you didn't
Speaker 1: quit your job because you're making so much money selling
Speaker 1: antlers or was it?
Speaker 2: Well that was part of it, Like you don't make
Speaker 2: that much as a custodian, Like news flash, you just don't.
Speaker 2: So like it's you don't have leverage, right, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: wasn't that hard to replace my income, So I wasn't
Speaker 2: earning a terribly like a large amount of money.
Speaker 1: We go to college.
Speaker 2: I just my EMT stuff is all I did after
Speaker 2: high school. But we kind of were in a place financially,
Speaker 2: like we got totally out of debt. We just decided that,
Speaker 2: like we were going to do that before we kind
Speaker 2: of did it so I could go to paramedic school,
Speaker 2: sold our house and sold all our stuff and got
Speaker 2: to where we had zero debt and we really needed
Speaker 2: like very little money to live on every month so you.
Speaker 1: Were living in a house you bought and then sold
Speaker 1: it to rent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a crazy move.
Speaker 1: No one does that move.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like not good. It's not a good move usually,
Speaker 2: like even in our circumstancedic. Well, I just have like
Speaker 2: I hate debt. I hate being saddled by debt. It
Speaker 2: makes me feel like I can't do what I want
Speaker 2: to do. So I just got rid of the house
Speaker 2: and the cars and everything. And we had a couple
Speaker 2: hundred thousand in debt, and we knocked it out in
Speaker 2: like six months and sold what we needed to, and
Speaker 2: then I started picking up antlers to get out of debt,
Speaker 2: like a lot of it. I would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: if I can go find five or six elk shed,
Speaker 2: that's five or six hundred bucks I can pay off
Speaker 2: on just like stupid credit cards and stuff that we had.
Speaker 2: So we knocked all that out.
Speaker 5: Oh really, do you sell everything?
Speaker 7: Ben?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like ninety nine percent.
Speaker 1: Probably you got a big pile of weird shit you found.
Speaker 2: I got a decent like a storage locker full of
Speaker 2: just like unique or big stuff. M Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: some some crazy stuff.
Speaker 6: It's almost like a little savings account kind of like
Speaker 6: times get tough if you just sell this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've kind of been through some tough times though,
Speaker 2: so most of it's kind of got cold off to
Speaker 2: gauge how much I'm attached to any specific antler a
Speaker 2: few times.
Speaker 1: But so when you were so how much? Uh get
Speaker 1: what's your average antler weight?
Speaker 2: Like for el No? No, no, I ever, what what's
Speaker 2: a big elk antler? Way? Ten pounds? It's a big antler?
Speaker 1: Okay, we had a guy talking and then we had
Speaker 1: a guy talk about like he must have been talking
Speaker 1: about like an extraordinary one because we had a guy.
Speaker 1: Was he saying like a twenty pound antler or something
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just an insane that's right, top zero
Speaker 2: zero zero point one percent. Like the biggest free range
Speaker 2: elk shed we've ever held is a set that my
Speaker 2: uncle found and the heavy side of that bowl weighs
Speaker 2: seventeen and seventeen pounds six ounces.
Speaker 1: But that's a four hundred plus inch four Yeah.
Speaker 2: Four hundred and nine inch set of sheds. Got ya?
Speaker 1: So an absolute stomper trophy bowl by anyone's standard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars Southwest Reservation Hunt Bowl. Yeah, we'll throw
Speaker 1: a seventeen pound anler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not always because I found one of my
Speaker 2: biggest single elk sheds is off of a three hundred
Speaker 2: and probably eighty inch bowl and it's a six and
Speaker 2: a half pound dollar what. Yeah, just it doesn't always translate.
Speaker 2: So much of it's just related to the amount of
Speaker 2: moisture in the area. The desert bolls always way less.
Speaker 6: You can probably find heavy ass antlers in Pennsylvania elk sheds. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but you can't sell them.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah? Really?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Why, I don't know. You can't sell like animal
Speaker 6: parts other than like fir and stuff that you trapped.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: They roll antlers into that.
Speaker 2: If you go across state lines and sell them, is
Speaker 2: at a LASIAC violation.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sure, So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you know do you know the logic behind it?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 6: No, I think it's just is that just with elk, No, it's.
Speaker 2: With Yeah, I think California has something similar to because
Speaker 2: my buddies that live down there, I was just keeping them,
Speaker 2: keeping them. They said they can't sell them down there
Speaker 2: for some reason.
Speaker 6: Yeah, unless they change that, But as far as I know,
Speaker 6: you can't sell antlers that Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just says PA dot Gov. I didn't open up
Speaker 4: the page directly, but part of it is it is
Speaker 4: unlawful for individuals to possess shed antler shed antler, to sell,
Speaker 4: barter or trade, or to offer to sell, barter or
Speaker 4: trade any shed antler.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 4: That's from the Game Commission. Now let me click to
Speaker 4: see if there's any rationale.
Speaker 2: Grow up.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the I mean, I'm not I'm not here.
Speaker 1: I don't like to just start randomly, you know, being
Speaker 1: like what bullshit like. But I don't understand the logic.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the logic that that if a farmer
Speaker 1: found a elkshd antler on his place, and it's not
Speaker 1: attached to the skull, so there's no question about that,
Speaker 1: you can tell an antler that shed naturally. There's no
Speaker 1: question that he shot the bowl in order to sell
Speaker 1: four hundred bucks worth the antler. I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it says it's lawful for individuals to
Speaker 4: retain deer an elk antlers found on public land, so
Speaker 4: as long as they were shed through natural causes. But
Speaker 4: what's unlawfuls for them to possess it to sell, barter
Speaker 4: or trade.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I heard the public land.
Speaker 2: Thing.
Speaker 1: You want to know, crazy ass deadhead rule is remember
Speaker 1: when we were in when I drew that Ibex tag
Speaker 1: in New Mexico, Yeah, that is this is crazy.
Speaker 2: And we found.
Speaker 1: At the base of a cliff we found some Ibex
Speaker 1: horns and so they don't shed, right, So it's it's
Speaker 1: like if you find the horn, it's something died not shed,
Speaker 1: so it's different. But we called the game warden.
Speaker 2: You were there, were.
Speaker 5: Grab Yeah, remember that grabbed him.
Speaker 1: You got to call the game ward The game ward
Speaker 1: comes out and says, here's what you owe the state
Speaker 1: if you'd.
Speaker 5: Like to have that, And it seemed like you you
Speaker 5: could almost like kind of barter with.
Speaker 2: Him, right, Oh yeah, the game warden. Besides it like
Speaker 2: on the side right there, what do you say, twenty bucks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, and you're paying cash. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: give you a receipt or.
Speaker 5: It might have been like we offered twenty he's like
Speaker 5: house fifteen or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he proceeded to check our licenses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were dialed after he cam.
Speaker 5: He also checked out.
Speaker 2: No, he's like while I'm here, what permits have a look?
Speaker 5: Yeah, But at first I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 5: But then you know, you're like, this guy's doing his job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for those ibex horns, I kept one, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. Kevin Murphy kept one out and who else
Speaker 1: kept the other one? You have one, and he wanted
Speaker 1: like twenty bucks. But if you found some big like
Speaker 1: two hundred inches melely deadhead, he might come and say
Speaker 1: that they can just as well come and say, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, five hundred bucks. And then one time
Speaker 1: I was at a thing in New Mexico where they
Speaker 1: auction off all the ship all the road kill stuff,
Speaker 1: all the confiscated stuff, and they'll pull out like tank
Speaker 1: or mulely dead heads.
Speaker 2: And you just you can bid on them. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Utah does that every year too. They have a big
Speaker 2: auction every year.
Speaker 1: So if you if you look at it, let's say
Speaker 1: you find what is the value of when you just
Speaker 1: said you go out and find a few antlers and
Speaker 1: that's a couple hundred bucks or whatever. You can go
Speaker 1: out your place and find like like let's say you
Speaker 1: find a three fifty bulls one side off a three
Speaker 1: fifty bolt. You could be holding a couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's if it's a brown antler, yeah, you
Speaker 2: could one hundred to two hundred dollars pretty easy. If
Speaker 2: it weighs up again, could you.
Speaker 1: Sell I could see the appeal of that, because like
Speaker 1: you could go trap, like trap a beaver. You got
Speaker 1: trap them, haul them all the ship you need to buy,
Speaker 1: flesh them, yeah, stretch them. Yeah, and that takes specialized equipment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this I mean you can meet your antler buyer
Speaker 2: when you get to town, or you'll hand your cash
Speaker 2: and you're done.
Speaker 6: So can you sell like a big set for more
Speaker 6: money than if it was just like a like an
Speaker 6: individual antler sometimes? Or could you sell them to like
Speaker 6: niche markets like a taxidermist or something that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can sell them to collector sometimes if they're
Speaker 2: over like you know it's on elk, like big big
Speaker 2: like three eighty or seventy three eighty plus. Or the
Speaker 2: best thing you can do is if you find a set,
Speaker 2: like an older set off a bowl that somebody's killed
Speaker 2: a lot of times, they'll want them so you can
Speaker 2: make a deal with them.
Speaker 6: Oh or you know thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you can get a little better price for
Speaker 2: like a big set from a buyer to like, if
Speaker 2: you have a big set, they might I mean what
Speaker 2: I usually do if I have something big or special,
Speaker 2: I'll just kind of set it aside and just ask
Speaker 2: the buyer if that's worth anything more than regular poundage
Speaker 2: to him, and he might have some sort of a
Speaker 2: market for it. And then I've got like maybe an
Speaker 2: extra dollar a pound or a couple dollars a pound
Speaker 2: out of something big.
Speaker 6: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: But if you find like a super freak thing that's
Speaker 1: just cool look at, that's a whole different market though
Speaker 1: it can be. Yeah, you're just can you just set
Speaker 1: up a website? Would be like weird ass shit I found.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea.
Speaker 1: I write that down.
Speaker 2: Do check with the lawyer on that one. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: saw the couple on eBay just out of curiosity to
Speaker 2: see what they would do, and they both sold for
Speaker 2: a ton. I posted them on my Instagram. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I found these sheds. They're on eba, go bit on them.
Speaker 2: I saw the elk shed for like nine and fifty
Speaker 2: bucks what, and then a deer shed for like I
Speaker 2: think it was like two eighty or two ninety really,
Speaker 2: but you can you can.
Speaker 5: Get a little more for a nice match set too.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, depending like same if they're above that trophy
Speaker 2: class like on deer, they had to be over like
Speaker 2: really one eighty or have somebody has to have some
Speaker 2: attachment to them.
Speaker 1: A shed I have that I feel would be of
Speaker 1: exceptional value, but it has a very prominent position in
Speaker 1: my home. I have a moose paddle that was burned
Speaker 1: a little bit in a fire and has a weird
Speaker 1: drop time coming off the back of the paddle, so
Speaker 1: it stands like a three legged tripod free standards man,
Speaker 1: and it stands like totally on display with a little
Speaker 1: prong of growth coming out the bag, and you can
Speaker 1: tell that it's been burnt, singed and burnt in a fire.
Speaker 6: That's cool, it's a beautiful While you're here, you should
Speaker 6: go out the three forks to what's what's that guy's name,
Speaker 6: Jim Oh?
Speaker 1: The Shed Antler Museum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, look at that place.
Speaker 1: Really, you'd like it the most?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to check it out.
Speaker 3: How you gotta do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a collection he's got out there, dude,
Speaker 1: he's got like thousand never how it was talking about
Speaker 1: the louver earlier.
Speaker 4: This is like the louver of antlers, but like and
Speaker 4: the building has also made it.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy is an eccentric, obsessed dude, and
Speaker 1: he was doing it when it wasn't a thing people did.
Speaker 1: He has the craziest He's one of two people I
Speaker 1: know that legit found a bear trap. Oh really like
Speaker 1: the old and the Woods found a grizzly in the
Speaker 1: Woods found it. Have always wanted to find one of those,
Speaker 1: you and me both. Yeah, my buddy Mike found one,
Speaker 1: and he found one.
Speaker 2: Huh, that's cool. Yeah, I'd like to check it out.
Speaker 2: I could spend some days there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we did a show from there. He's a
Speaker 1: hell of a gardener too.
Speaker 6: He lives a couple of blocks from me.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you guys are neighbors.
Speaker 3: Jim Phillips is his name you there?
Speaker 6: No, I haven't.
Speaker 2: It's I saw some pictures. I don't know what you
Speaker 2: guys posted them, but it looked like the inside of
Speaker 2: a barn or something like.
Speaker 6: Maybe we have pictures on the website.
Speaker 1: He's a craftsman man. He's an obsessive collector. I mean
Speaker 1: he's a collector of weird rocks, trees.
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's cool.
Speaker 1: He's obsessive, probably, I don't know, might be a hard
Speaker 1: man to live with.
Speaker 4: He seems lovely. He's also a writer.
Speaker 2: But the amount of work.
Speaker 1: Everything he told is everything around him.
Speaker 4: Is like craft thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's like see that garden. You look at the garden,
Speaker 1: be like that looks like thousands of hours. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: this this should I do with the trees I planted to? Like,
Speaker 1: that's thousands of hours. Everything he does, all the rocks
Speaker 1: he has, yeah, and then what he does with them.
Speaker 6: His whole front bed in his house is all like
Speaker 6: instead of mulch, it's all fossilized wood that he found
Speaker 6: and brought back.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: Thousands of hours.
Speaker 2: It sounds like my wife's grandpa. He was just like
Speaker 2: picking up antlers in the sixties seventies and just to
Speaker 2: have them in his yard when he when he passed away,
Speaker 2: Like he had one hundred plus deer antlers just in
Speaker 2: his planter in his front yard. Yeah, just went out
Speaker 2: and got him because he thought they were cool.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you took all the time you spent doing
Speaker 1: like dumb, non memorable stuff and spent it doing like
Speaker 1: obsessing over your space in like finding things and building
Speaker 1: things out of things you found.
Speaker 2: It's a I would like, I love this place.
Speaker 1: He's was a great guess, great guy. I think that
Speaker 1: his place would be as interesting to someone who is
Speaker 1: interested in human behavior as it would be to someone
Speaker 1: that's interested in Chad Antler's I mean this in the
Speaker 1: Krin's laughing. I mean this in the nicest, most flattering
Speaker 1: way possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, it's interesting to see how different people
Speaker 4: focus their energy and their time, and that is like
Speaker 4: a visual representation of god knows how many hours of
Speaker 4: someone's mental focus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he at some point early on had to
Speaker 1: have envisioned in his head some aspect of what it
Speaker 1: was going to look like in the end. Meaning when
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to quate this to the Pyramids, I am.
Speaker 1: When someone started making the peer mids, they were like,
Speaker 1: and it'll look like this one. We're done, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you know how much money and poundage that is?
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, you're probably gonna eye
Speaker 4: that and like estimate.
Speaker 2: He's never sold an Antler trades.
Speaker 1: He's never sold he trades and fines.
Speaker 2: That's that's respectable that's commendable.
Speaker 1: He'll find a bunch of normal stuff and then trade
Speaker 1: it for the weird ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he likes the weird stuff. Huh. Oh, and he's
Speaker 2: got little he's got.
Speaker 4: Like clubs like antler. I mean, he's got all kinds
Speaker 4: of things that maybe would work very well weaponry.
Speaker 1: No, you and him be, You and him be best friends.
Speaker 2: I'd be. I could spend a lot of time at
Speaker 2: that place, for sure.
Speaker 4: I'll find his contact information for Yeah.
Speaker 1: You got to be like best bodies.
Speaker 5: Did he find most of those?
Speaker 4: All of them trades?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You got You guys get kicked off of each other.
Speaker 2: There's like a big oh man, that's double beam bull.
Speaker 2: She's he's got a few years on you. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: catch him, give me some time. Well, I just mean
Speaker 2: an age. I won't catch him.
Speaker 1: Well, no, eventually he'll stop right and then you'll.
Speaker 2: With diminishing opportunities. We'll see though. Like it's getting harder
Speaker 2: out there, is it. Yeah?
Speaker 1: For sure are the good old days of shed hunting over?
Speaker 2: Yes? And no, like you just I mean you got
Speaker 2: to work for him so much harder now. It used
Speaker 2: to be like we would literally drive out to Nevada,
Speaker 2: park in the desert walk and pick him up. And
Speaker 2: now you got to be pretty pretty calculated because the
Speaker 2: people interested in him. Yeah, it's because he's damn YouTubers
Speaker 2: ruined it for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ruined the finding of antlers. Have you gone down
Speaker 1: the path of getting a dog to do it?
Speaker 2: I uh not really. I started talking to a kid
Speaker 2: recently about getting one, but I just am not. I'm
Speaker 2: not a good dog owner. I'm just not home enough. Like,
Speaker 2: we have a dog, it's a family dog, and she's awesome.
Speaker 2: I love that dog. But for me to take a
Speaker 2: dog with me everywhere I go so much of it's
Speaker 2: like staying in hotels and driving around of my van.
Speaker 2: It's like taking care of it would probably be too
Speaker 2: much hassle at this point, But someday I will when
Speaker 2: I'm back to kind of just doing the Western, like
Speaker 2: the elk shed thing. Walk me through the idea that
Speaker 2: you wanna you have a quest to find a shed
Speaker 2: antler in all fifty Yeah, one year. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'll do it in a year, Like the
Speaker 2: idea was between this shed season and the end of
Speaker 2: next shed season, so it could be like a year
Speaker 2: and a half. But Yeah, that's the goal. Man. I
Speaker 2: started talking.
Speaker 1: About it with my buddy Josh like five or six
Speaker 1: years ago, and I always wanted to do it, and
Speaker 1: I was going to do it the year of COVID,
Speaker 1: which is twenty twenty, and everything got so screwed up.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it then. So as soon as we
Speaker 2: got out of that darkness, I started planning trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out.
Speaker 1: So if you imagine the pile, all fifty of the
Speaker 1: shed antlers in a pile, how many white tail sheds
Speaker 1: are in that pile?
Speaker 2: Oh man, a lot, like thirty something, and there's one
Speaker 2: access to er yep from Hawaii.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's probably two or three moves sheds.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Moose trips planned and figured out right now.
Speaker 2: Caribou maybe I think we'll get a caribou. It's kind
Speaker 2: of in the works. And uh yeah, maybe a seca
Speaker 2: dear maybe, Uh, I don't know, maybe a sandbar. I'm
Speaker 2: not opposed to picking up a couple exotics while I'm
Speaker 2: out and about. Well in Hawaii, you'll have to, yeah
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Why uh you know what if you to get a
Speaker 1: glimpse of what shed hunt used to be like, probably
Speaker 1: I mean if you go way way back, there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of areas in Alaska where no one's gonna pick
Speaker 1: it up. There's no way to get it out of there, right,
Speaker 1: And you'll see like a saddle, you know, like a pass,
Speaker 1: and you'll fly over it and it'll be literally dozens, yeah,
Speaker 1: like literally dozens of antlers. That sounds awesome in a paddle,
Speaker 1: or you'll be flying you'll be flying up a braided
Speaker 1: channel of a stream that's all willow flats and you'll
Speaker 1: be flying up it's just like moose antley, moose, moose, you.
Speaker 2: Know, just everywhere.
Speaker 1: That's the stuff I dream about usually at like usually
Speaker 1: if you go to any landing strip in Alaska that
Speaker 1: are down along the river that most of them are
Speaker 1: like down along the willow flats. You just often are
Speaker 1: landing willow flats and you get like, oh, we got
Speaker 1: to wait an hour for the next plane or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you just start cutting loops you will find a
Speaker 1: moose antler.
Speaker 2: Really, Oh yeah, that's sweet man, that's you know, they're nasty,
Speaker 2: yeah right, but yeah, Well, I've talked to some guys
Speaker 2: up there that are really good, you know, shed hunters
Speaker 2: in Alaska and that's I mean, they say, they just
Speaker 2: it's not finding them. It's just the logistics of getting
Speaker 2: them to anywhere you can even collect them or sell
Speaker 2: them or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we met a guy that does it for moose
Speaker 1: out of a super cub and he just lashes them
Speaker 1: to the struts. But yeah, but he's looking. He's picking
Speaker 1: up huge brown moose sheds. Yeah, and apparently the money
Speaker 1: is good enough that you're like burning that level of fuel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's uh, what's moose moose shed worth versus antler
Speaker 4: per pound?
Speaker 2: It used to be the highest. Like when I first
Speaker 2: really get into selling antlers, everybody wanted moose. But I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of slumped off a little bit comparatively.
Speaker 2: I think there's I can't remember if I read it.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was caribou, but there's one type of antler
Speaker 2: that's not as nutrient dense for like a dog chew,
Speaker 2: and the hardness isn't right for dogs, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: have as desirable of them.
Speaker 1: It might that might be caribou, but well that stuff
Speaker 1: is exceptionally hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. But I know the markets
Speaker 2: for moose is down a little bit. I think it's
Speaker 2: like maybe fifteen or sixteen dollars a pound.
Speaker 1: Last I heard another way down another thing about cariboo,
Speaker 1: which is interesting.
Speaker 2: It's got flex, really a lot of flex.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think I've ever really held like a
Speaker 2: big caribou antler.
Speaker 1: Oh you could take a big ass antler, put one
Speaker 1: in on the ground and press the top.
Speaker 5: And really yeah, very like bendable, got flex. Really you'll
Speaker 5: see those caribou running, you know and stuff and it jiggles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool, it'll be it'll be back like hard
Speaker 4: Wie is like almost pliable.
Speaker 1: You can bend well, no, it goes right back, but
Speaker 1: it's got spring to it.
Speaker 2: Do they think they break less because of that? Man?
Speaker 1: You know where you know where they talk a lot
Speaker 1: about this is in John McPhee's Coming into the Country.
Speaker 1: He talks about the tool use of caribou antlers and
Speaker 1: talks about but I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I have to see if I can find a cliff
Speaker 2: note somewhere. That sounds like a good read.
Speaker 1: So when you do the all fifty uh, what's the
Speaker 1: goal of picking up shed antler in all fifty states?
Speaker 2: That's it quest?
Speaker 4: Can I follow up on that? Is it like you
Speaker 4: have a standard for size measurement or you'll like step
Speaker 4: foot in the state and be like Spike okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we got it to Arkansas. We met up
Speaker 2: with my buddy Austin down there and he just had
Speaker 2: some public land kind of that he shed once occasionally.
Speaker 2: And we got out of the van, we crossed the road,
Speaker 2: walked up the hill and boom, Spike shed. I'm like,
Speaker 2: get back in. The fanboys were out of here. Count it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've knocked her off and away stays you guys so
Speaker 2: far fourteen and that's just since March.
Speaker 1: So are you gonna find one here while you're here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. We're going tomorrow meeting up with Dylan from
Speaker 2: on X and we're headed here to Montana to look
Speaker 2: for El Caner.
Speaker 6: I I I.
Speaker 1: Got a little well you know what, The water's up
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Pretty bad? Yeah? Got a spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, I think that I have a spot
Speaker 1: where you could very very very close by.
Speaker 2: So I like to hear, go find some sheds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I could take your point and sit it on the air.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna water is higher right now.
Speaker 2: Waters.
Speaker 6: I went and looked a little something something this morning
Speaker 6: for something and I couldn't get there because.
Speaker 5: No, I swim, you can't even tell us what you're
Speaker 5: looking for.
Speaker 1: No, when we leave here, I'll take you to a
Speaker 1: spot and I'll show you, and I guarantee you're going
Speaker 1: there and find one.
Speaker 2: Really, if you got a good shed, I I'm down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got the shed. I I got the shed.
Speaker 1: I you know where I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Do I maybe what kind of a shed? Would it be?
Speaker 2: White tail? Right on? I like picking white tail sheds.
Speaker 2: I found a new affinity for it. I got just
Speaker 2: the spot from you.
Speaker 7: Let's go.
Speaker 2: I'm not going that's fine, I'll show you where perfect,
Speaker 2: you'll be there and not long. That's good.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: I like urban antlers. Yeah. I used to pick a
Speaker 2: lot of mule their sheds, Like in town and Cedar
Speaker 2: where I grew up. They were just coming to town
Speaker 2: at night and feeding vacant lots and everything, and we'd
Speaker 2: go pick them up. One of the biggest deer sheds
Speaker 2: I ever found came out of a vacant lot next
Speaker 2: to our hospital in town.
Speaker 6: Really nice.
Speaker 1: If someone came and said, I'm gonna take all your sheds,
Speaker 1: but you can only have one shed, and that's the
Speaker 1: only shed you can have for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: What shed would it be? Oh? Man, that's tough. I
Speaker 2: have this this Nevada ble that I picked up, and
Speaker 2: it was like it was cool because it was the
Speaker 2: first set I ever found in this new area. I
Speaker 2: went out there exploring, never been anywhere near there, and
Speaker 2: uh hiked all over, never found really any sign or anything.
Speaker 2: I got up on this point to glass, I put
Speaker 2: up my binocular glass and sheds. Oh yeah, yeah. We
Speaker 2: glassed for antlers a lot. I remember setting. I'll bring
Speaker 2: a spotter if if I'm looking at big enough country,
Speaker 2: but most of the time just binoculars on a tripod.
Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because that's another way
Speaker 1: hunting moose. You find so many moose sheds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, glassing just spot them scanning around.
Speaker 1: That's a great point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tip.
Speaker 1: Glass and tip. That might be a good episode for
Speaker 1: the show Glass and for sheds.
Speaker 4: I wonder if we should claim it like.
Speaker 2: Glass and shed ched. I wore, Yeah, there you go,
Speaker 2: So I glassed up, like yeah, one thing I like
Speaker 2: to do, and I'm glass for sheds. I'll put a
Speaker 2: timer on my phone and I'll make myself glass for
Speaker 2: that long, because otherwise I'll get distracted and I won't
Speaker 2: won't put in the actual much. I think I set
Speaker 2: a timer for twenty minutes one spot.
Speaker 6: Do you like a string grid that you follow?
Speaker 2: I try to just follow terrain like I do. I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I do grid, but I'll just follow a
Speaker 2: ridge down, pick up the next ridge, and go back up.
Speaker 2: And if I'm going too fast after my ride myself
Speaker 2: to slow down.
Speaker 1: As you're talking, I'm thinking how many times I've glassed
Speaker 1: up like mildew sheds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see them from a long ways away, but.
Speaker 1: I've never sat down to glass of shed. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're just glassing and be like there's a shed yep,
Speaker 1: that works the same. I can see how one would
Speaker 1: discover that, huh.
Speaker 2: But I glasted up a giant five point side out there,
Speaker 2: like an elk side, and I really wasn't even expecting
Speaker 2: there to be elk in that spot necessarily, and uh,
Speaker 2: it was a long ways away. I got over to
Speaker 2: it and it was busted, but it was a great
Speaker 2: big like a three seventy type side off of a bowl.
Speaker 2: And I walked up the ridge and his other side
Speaker 2: was right there and it's just this big webbed out
Speaker 2: and it's split on its fifth point and it's fourth
Speaker 2: and it has a little brow tying, so I was
Speaker 2: like nine points on it totals just beautiful, heavy webbed
Speaker 2: out And I think that's my favorite elk shed that
Speaker 2: I've ever found. I'd probably unto, yeah, And what I
Speaker 2: like about it is like after I found those sheds,
Speaker 2: I ended up finding like, over the course of the
Speaker 2: next couple of years, probably one hundred to two hundred
Speaker 2: elk sheds in that little spot, and it was just
Speaker 2: loaded up And I never would have gone in there
Speaker 2: if I wouldn't have seen that one side.
Speaker 1: And it's paid off multiple years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I go back there every year at some point.
Speaker 2: So that's the number one for me.
Speaker 1: Have you, I know, the timing's way off, But does
Speaker 1: does your shed hunting activities inform your hunting activities a
Speaker 1: little bit?
Speaker 2: Like I do have some deer that I target and
Speaker 2: try to find their sheds specifically because I can hunt them,
Speaker 2: But most of the time I'm head into units that
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna have a tag in, at least not
Speaker 2: for a long time. But it's helped like buddies, like
Speaker 2: my brother in law drew an elk tag in a
Speaker 2: unit in Nevada that I loved to shed hunk, and
Speaker 2: it was a late rifle tag, so all those elk
Speaker 2: were right where they would be during shed time. So
Speaker 2: we were able to see some of the bulls that
Speaker 2: I had antlers off of and use that knowledge to
Speaker 2: find big bulls right at that time. So yeah, we
Speaker 2: use it a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's not like a major tool what I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask about to lay out from me, how you're going
Speaker 1: to tackle the whole country. Are you being systematic about it?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not that systematic. I'll start in Florida's zag well,
Speaker 2: kind like I'll plan my road trips like that. Like
Speaker 2: I just did a road trip from Utah. I first
Speaker 2: place I was Texas, and we found some antlers in Texas,
Speaker 2: and then we shot over and I got Mississippi and Alabama,
Speaker 2: and then we went north and got Arkansas and then
Speaker 2: up through Missouri and then went to Wisconsin and got
Speaker 2: Wisconsin Haikeyani's place and in Wisconsin and then you found
Speaker 2: you fohon on the left. I didn't find it on
Speaker 2: his place. Like the one I picked up was in
Speaker 2: Travis's which is right next door. Got it. And then
Speaker 2: I came home through north South Dakota, Minnesota, and so
Speaker 2: I just tried to hit them all on a big loop.
Speaker 1: But so, but here's the thing, here's what you're not
Speaker 1: thinking about too clearly. You got to go back down
Speaker 1: now and do Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, do Alabama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Alabama.
Speaker 1: You should have mopped up that little corner down there.
Speaker 2: It's timing though, like I can't. I mean not trying
Speaker 2: to stay onn the road for like two weeks. You know,
Speaker 2: do you turkey on it all? Not much.
Speaker 6: It's gonna say, if you're a turkey hunter, you could
Speaker 6: fit in a lot of turkey hunting with these with
Speaker 6: these shed trips, for sure.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people that when I tell
Speaker 2: them I'm coming, they're like, let's go hunt turkeys and
Speaker 2: look for sheds, And I just kind of tell them like,
Speaker 2: I'm here to get antler and get out of here.
Speaker 2: So probably passing up some good opportunities. Does your wife
Speaker 2: like to look at the shed antlers? No, she doesn't
Speaker 2: give a shit, Like I'll bring them home and show
Speaker 2: them to She's like, yeah, good job. Anyway, Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been home with the kids for seven days.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask about that. How many kids
Speaker 1: you got?
Speaker 2: I have three boys, and how old? Seven, eight and four?
Speaker 2: That's great. How long you've been married eleven years? Eleven years?
Speaker 2: What's the key to eleven years of marriage? For us?
Speaker 2: It's to be gone a lot. That works great for us.
Speaker 2: You don't get burned out. No, Like it's good because,
Speaker 2: I mean, me and my wife were a good team.
Speaker 2: And when I'm home, it's cool. And then after about
Speaker 2: four or five days, she's ready to send me out
Speaker 2: the door again, and I go do my thing, and
Speaker 2: she's a very like she's a very career oriented woman.
Speaker 2: She's very I mean, she just handles stuff. And so
Speaker 2: I come home and help out and do what I
Speaker 2: can see my boys, and then I'm gone again and
Speaker 2: she just handles everything.
Speaker 1: Do they like shed hunting?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. The older they get, the more like they
Speaker 2: want to be involved and stuff. I'm excited for them
Speaker 2: to get out of school this year because we're going
Speaker 2: a bunch of places this summer, little shed hunting family vacation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go knock them all out. So that'd be good,
Speaker 2: good movie man. Yeah, I'm excited for a little.
Speaker 1: Shed hunting road trip that have broad mass appeal.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it? Yeah, niche as it gets baby.
Speaker 1: So this summer where you.
Speaker 2: Guys gonna head, I'm gonna start knocking out Western states.
Speaker 2: I left a lot of them undone and just not
Speaker 2: mess with because of snow and because of the seasons,
Speaker 2: and because you can get antlers all through the summer
Speaker 2: in the West. They don't really get eaten up that
Speaker 2: bad and you can find out clanntlers in the tall grass.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start knocking those out. We're doing a
Speaker 2: thing with first light in June, so I'll go get
Speaker 2: Idaho then and then start working through I haven't done
Speaker 2: Avata yet, which is like my bread and butter.
Speaker 1: Are there any states that you're most worried about and
Speaker 1: you could use a little intel and you might take
Speaker 1: this opportunity to throw out, Hey, shoot me a DM
Speaker 1: as the kids say, about any hot tips for how
Speaker 1: I can pick off some certain state.
Speaker 2: I think the northeast has me a little worried. I
Speaker 2: main I have really covered like a lot of friends
Speaker 2: who pick up moose paddles. Main, but like I really
Speaker 2: don't know my way around any of the stuff, like Vermont,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, New Jersey. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: states out there that I'm just going into totally blind,
Speaker 2: and I don't really know anybody. So anybody in the
Speaker 2: Northeast would be super helpful then, even like North Carolina,
Speaker 2: South Carolina. I have some some friends like in the
Speaker 2: Virginia's but I think it's uh West Virginia that it
Speaker 2: might be illegal to pick him up on public land.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I'll have to find some.
Speaker 6: I found sheds in New Jersey just driving around. Really,
Speaker 6: there's so many deers that're just just laying around.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I like to hear.
Speaker 6: See stay right in the van.
Speaker 2: It won't be that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: I know a guy that has so many white tails
Speaker 1: on his place that we were talking about ship antlers
Speaker 1: and he was complaining about them because they puncture his tires.
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the that's one of the pictures.
Speaker 1: The first thing that came to his mind when we
Speaker 1: talked about shy.
Speaker 4: Doesn't he just become a seller real quick? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't. There's a farmer he does.
Speaker 1: Farmers like to farm, and that's about all they want to,
Speaker 1: you know, not all they want to do, but I
Speaker 1: mean it's just a demanding thing. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very critical of deer for dropping things that
Speaker 1: puncture his tires.
Speaker 2: Well that's the number one like positive response when we
Speaker 2: ask for permission is is farmers saying like, yeah, get
Speaker 2: those damn things out of the field, please. But like
Speaker 2: we even call people an offer and be like we're
Speaker 2: picking up antlers. We save you some tires, and I
Speaker 2: mean you save them one one of those track tires
Speaker 2: are expensive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell them I'm from the Tire Preservation Society. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's honestly a decent pitch. We're doing some that's a
Speaker 1: shirt trying to find a shirt and here somewhere, Yeah,
Speaker 1: volunteers antler and it says the Tire Preservation is a
Speaker 1: shy warrior.
Speaker 2: And he's like smashing a tire with an antler. They
Speaker 2: could get somewhere. It's gotta be a t shirting here somewhere.
Speaker 1: We got a good shirt coming up, because my body. Tommy,
Speaker 1: he's in a Kyle Milken tournament.
Speaker 2: A tournament.
Speaker 3: Is this the blue collar.
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Listen, he's serious about man, they got a team
Speaker 1: there's prize money. You got to milk a wild cow?
Speaker 2: You got wild? Yes, now I know what You're just
Speaker 2: pictured him exercise in his hands. Man, you got to
Speaker 2: catch a cow and milk it. Yeah, those are pretty rowdy.
Speaker 1: That's a great turn to do that.
Speaker 5: That like rodeos, I think, right, you gotta get a
Speaker 5: drop of milk.
Speaker 1: So he's got a team and we're sponsoring his cow
Speaker 1: milking team. And then uh our artists, our artist did
Speaker 1: his team shirt Spencer. It's a gnome with a big
Speaker 1: old one of them old style bug jugs of milk
Speaker 1: riding a milk bucking milk and cow. And so Tommy
Speaker 1: needed five of them, but we made one hundred and five.
Speaker 1: We're gonna sell a hundred of them.
Speaker 2: One of those.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell ninety nine.
Speaker 2: I'm keeping one.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have one if you got to, Well, we'll sell
Speaker 1: you one. Have something to sell here, all that's fair.
Speaker 2: Just give me some kind of a promo code, give
Speaker 2: me a deal we'll give you.
Speaker 1: Or if you trade me that five you know what
Speaker 1: that five that crazy five point Yeah, give me that.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that for a T shirt.
Speaker 2: Milking shirt. Yeah, I'll think about.
Speaker 1: It all right, Well, tell people how to find you.
Speaker 1: You stick around for trivia?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you ever listened to the trivia show? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I did one during hooton Nanny. I think your first
Speaker 2: light so yeah I did. Spencer hosted, Yeah, Spencer hosted.
Speaker 2: How'd you do? I think I got? I did?
Speaker 1: Okay it the first light store in Haley.
Speaker 2: How'd you do? I think I got four or five? Right,
Speaker 2: I think I maybe got second or third. So strong player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to oversell it.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna he's gonna throw you a bone
Speaker 1: or a shed. Okay, good stuff. That's he's gonna throw
Speaker 1: you a bone a shed. I'm gonna say that during
Speaker 1: the trivia show, like it was my joke because it
Speaker 1: might be.
Speaker 2: Different people listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people know I stole it, but I might
Speaker 1: catch a few that don't know, because I meet a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the airport and whatnot that just
Speaker 1: listen to the tribute show.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm taking over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like you just like, oh my god, my
Speaker 2: boyfriend listens to the whole time. Drives me crazy stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, what was that joke?
Speaker 1: Oh, throw you a shed?
Speaker 2: But I don't know what it would be.
Speaker 1: How do you throw a shed hunter a bone in
Speaker 1: the tributa show?
Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll find out.
Speaker 4: Maybe it'll be something about like regulations.
Speaker 2: What state.
Speaker 1: It'll be like what state does not have a ton
Speaker 1: of excessive drinking?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Probably like yeah, my home state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to see that map. If they're talking
Speaker 2: about green yellow though, it would be a whole different story.
Speaker 1: Green yellowp uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Donta's number one and green jellow consumption, which is
Speaker 2: what like narrow jellow shot. No, no, this is no,
Speaker 2: there's no innuendo involved. I'm talking about actual jello jello. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. It was like, why do I
Speaker 2: like green jello? I don't know, man, I was just
Speaker 2: born there. That's something that we always eat. Huh.
Speaker 1: Do you hunt pretty hard?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you hunt more than you hunt shit? Do you
Speaker 1: hunt deer more? Or do you hunt animals more than sheds?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably now you do?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used for a long time, No way, a
Speaker 2: long time. I would shed hunt maybe like fifty seventy
Speaker 2: five days a year and then just hunt my couple
Speaker 2: tags in Utah. Let me ask you this because.
Speaker 1: It's the true test all right, have you ever shed
Speaker 1: hunted deering hunting season?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. There's a lot of times where like
Speaker 2: I'll start hunting and start glassing antlers and I'm like,
Speaker 2: screw it, I'm shed hunting now, and so I'll just
Speaker 2: go start walking ridges and picking up antlers. If I
Speaker 2: start finding sheds while I'm hunting, I drop interest in honting.
Speaker 2: But it's dedication, Yeah, edication, shedycation.
Speaker 3: How about this like shed heead like like you know,
Speaker 3: like like a grateful day, but it's like all those
Speaker 3: little rainbow bears, you know, but they're holding different sheds. Yeah, huh,
Speaker 3: you guys are that.
Speaker 2: I can tell you guys are new to the shed market.
Speaker 2: I can tell also, Yeah, that's completely original. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think you could find it on instolvent look it up
Speaker 2: Phil shed heads.
Speaker 1: All right, tell people how to find yourself.
Speaker 2: So you find me on Instagram at shed crazy all
Speaker 2: one word. Same with YouTube, shed Crazy And uh, you've
Speaker 2: got a lot of subscribers on YouTube. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: maybe thirty twenty five thirty thousand there. That's great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how how often you drop video?
Speaker 2: I've been dropping two a week while I've been on
Speaker 2: this shed tour.
Speaker 6: So you got some fresh content.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a bunch. I think there's at least
Speaker 2: I think I'm totally up to date on the USA tour.
Speaker 2: So Sweeten, everything's live over there?
Speaker 1: Does that live under its own house?
Speaker 2: Not really, It's just all on my shed Crazy channel.
Speaker 2: I'll make a playlist for it so people can just
Speaker 2: binge those episodes if they want. But cool, that's great,
Speaker 2: Good luck man, Thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Sure you don't want to ask for any hot tips
Speaker 1: any spot.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a link on my Instagram that
Speaker 2: has like a Google form people can fill out, and
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of questions and like, you know, information.
Speaker 4: That's such a way.
Speaker 2: That was my wife's idea again, So it's a form
Speaker 2: they can go and fill. It's like a questionnaire basically
Speaker 2: like what state are you in? Like what kind of
Speaker 2: animals you know, like you know, shed hunts. What's your information?
Speaker 2: And then I can go through to the back end
Speaker 2: and read the responses and then contact people via phone
Speaker 2: or email off of their responses so.
Speaker 4: He doesn't get bombarded with random I.
Speaker 2: Understand now, yea, because I'm getting like hundreds of d
Speaker 2: MS people that come here, and I'm like, oh, sweet, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure I will. But then they're so lost in
Speaker 2: the messages by the time, Oh I understand, I get there.
Speaker 2: So it's a big help. So check them out.
Speaker 1: Shed Crazy, your real name doesn't even matter. Bend out
Speaker 1: of money.
Speaker 2: Yep, nobody calls me. That calls me Shed what's your
Speaker 2: wife call you? I don't know, I can say it
Speaker 2: on the air.
Speaker 1: All right, man, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you want to have a laugh, go
Speaker 1: to Shed Crazy on Instagram. Super funny videos, no toughness,
Speaker 1: no zero percent, just fun, just laughs, no tough all laughs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right man, thanks a lot.
Speaker 2: Rid On.
Speaker 4: On seal Gray shine like silver in the sun.
Speaker 7: Riright, rid On alone, sweetheart.
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Speaker 7: Welcome to this country Life. I'm your host, Brent Rieves
Speaker 7: from coon hunting to trot lining and just general country living.
Speaker 7: I want you to stay a while as I share
Speaker 7: my stories and the country skills that will help you
Speaker 7: beat the system. This country Life is proudly presented as
Speaker 7: part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network, bringing you the best
Speaker 7: outdoor podcast the airways have to offer. All right, friends,
Speaker 7: pull you up a chair or drop that tailgate. I
Speaker 7: think I got a thing or two the teacher. The
Speaker 7: stuff we towed around in our pockets every day carry
Speaker 7: is a term I'm only recently familiar with, but one
Speaker 7: I've been practicing since my feet hit the ground in
Speaker 7: the mid sixties. Now that's only partially true because some
Speaker 7: of that time, at least initially, I was what was
Speaker 7: being toted around every day. But from my earliest memories
Speaker 7: of having breeches with pockets, I've had my go to
Speaker 7: items that I couldn't leave the crib without, especially after
Speaker 7: I got out of the actual crib. Now why is
Speaker 7: this important because a man needs to be prepared. Well,
Speaker 7: that's partially true. The correct answer is we all need
Speaker 7: to be prepared and carry things we need, So feel
Speaker 7: free to interchange pocket with purse, backpack, satchel, briefcase, sock, brazier,
Speaker 7: or wherever you decide to cash something that you might
Speaker 7: need later. But what are these items? Are they there
Speaker 7: out of necessity and utility or are they simply there
Speaker 7: for nostalgia or maybe a little bit of both. I
Speaker 7: can't speak for yours, but I'm going to tell you
Speaker 7: all about mine. We're gonna talk about it in a minute,
Speaker 7: because first I'm gonna tell you a story. Mister Bill
Speaker 7: Chancellor was attractor mechanic. He could more accurately be described
Speaker 7: as the tractor mechanic. Now, I'm not saying he was
Speaker 7: the only one around, because where I grew up, you
Speaker 7: couldn't swing a dead cat around more than once without
Speaker 7: hitting the tractor man. Regardless of where you were standing.
Speaker 7: There was lots of folks that were tractor mechanics. What
Speaker 7: I am saying is, if a tractor mechanic needed a
Speaker 7: tractor mechanic, he called mister Bill. Now, I can't remember
Speaker 7: where my dad got his tractor, but it wasn't in
Speaker 7: the best of shape, and he got a pretty good
Speaker 7: deal on it because of that. It was a thirty
Speaker 7: five horsepower massive Ferson and the red paint had long
Speaker 7: faded to a rust brown, and the gray color of
Speaker 7: the engine and the chassis that was all gone. There
Speaker 7: was a little paddent left in the seat, and the
Speaker 7: only thing left that identified it as a massive Ferguson
Speaker 7: was a sliver of one of the decals that was
Speaker 7: on the hood, but the plan was to help mister
Speaker 7: Bill rebuild it from the floor to the ceiling and
Speaker 7: mister Bill's shop. So whenever Dad got away from work
Speaker 7: that summer, we worked on that tractor under the guidance
Speaker 7: of mister Bill. I was probably eleven or twelve and
Speaker 7: trying to make a track in every track my Daddy
Speaker 7: made at that time, And on this particular day we
Speaker 7: were nearing the completion of the tractor restoration that let
Speaker 7: me tell you that joker looked good. The engine had
Speaker 7: been completely overhauled. The paint was original Massy Ferguson red
Speaker 7: and gray paint. Mister Bill had replaced the decals with
Speaker 7: originals he'd gotten from the massive Ferguson headquarters. I remember
Speaker 7: exactly where I was standing, watching mister Bill as he
Speaker 7: adjusted something under the hood, and he asked my dad
Speaker 7: above the racket of the tractor. He said, Buddy, I
Speaker 7: can't reach my knife, let me borrow yours. I started
Speaker 7: looking around for mister Bill's knife because I knew my
Speaker 7: Dad was not about.
Speaker 2: To hand him his.
Speaker 7: When I see my Dad reaching his pocket and hand
Speaker 7: it to him, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Speaker 7: I wasn't allowed to touch it, and here mister Bill
Speaker 7: was scraping and gallging on metal with all his might.
Speaker 2: I was shocked.
Speaker 7: That was a killing of fence. But my dad just
Speaker 7: looked on like nothing was happening, Like the previous eleven
Speaker 7: years of proper knife care instruction that he drilled into
Speaker 7: my head had never happened. That's a knife, not a screwdriver.
Speaker 7: That's a knife, not a hammer. And yet right before
Speaker 7: my eyes, I was watching mister Bill slap annihilate the
Speaker 7: edge off my father's case knife, which was the knife
Speaker 7: everyone who knew reeves was correctly spelled r EA and
Speaker 7: not re carried in their pocket. There were no exceptions.
Speaker 7: Dad got that pocket knife back and eventually we loaded
Speaker 7: up and we headed home. Now we ain't got out
Speaker 7: of the driveway when I said that I saw you
Speaker 7: had mister Bill your pocket knife. He kind of laughed
Speaker 7: and he said, son, you saw me hand him a
Speaker 7: pocket knife. He handed it to me. It wasn't a
Speaker 7: case I was a little confused. I said, I thought
Speaker 7: we only told the case knives. He said, we do, son,
Speaker 7: but we don't want them all right, every day carry
Speaker 7: e DC for short the stuff in your pocket or
Speaker 7: in my case pockets, because I got stuff in just
Speaker 7: about all of them. This is learned behavior from someone
Speaker 7: in my formative years, like my dad, my grandpa, my
Speaker 7: older brothers, folks I spent the most time hanging out with,
Speaker 7: which was exactly how they came about carrying the items
Speaker 7: in their pockets. Every male member of the Rhees family
Speaker 7: carries a case pocket knife. Now you ladies, hold on
Speaker 7: to you hate mail. My sister in law has a
Speaker 7: collection of them that would rival most museums.
Speaker 2: I kid you not.
Speaker 7: My wife doesn't tell one because she has me, but
Speaker 7: if she wanted to, she would, and I would make
Speaker 7: sure she had a good one. Now, I don't know
Speaker 7: what number of great grandpas it was that started this tradition,
Speaker 7: but I could testify that the Reeves family has been
Speaker 7: patrolled in Arkansas and removing with a knife all the
Speaker 7: parts of animals that don't taste good since before the
Speaker 7: Civil War and way before the case brothers got together
Speaker 7: in eighteen eighty nine and commenced to giving birth to
Speaker 7: what would become a staple in the Reeves boys every
Speaker 7: day carry the case pocket knife. Around nineteen twenty one
Speaker 7: of them jokers designed the trapper model, and that's the one.
Speaker 7: That knife has become a part of our identity. And
Speaker 7: you can bet one thing for sure. If you see
Speaker 7: one of us and need a knife, we got at
Speaker 7: least one. We ain't gonna let you borrow it. Just
Speaker 7: show us what you need, cut and get out of
Speaker 7: the way. Anyway. Let's start with the right front pocket
Speaker 7: of these American made round house overalls. Inside you'll find
Speaker 7: a case, pocket knife and a tuba chapstick. Now, some
Speaker 7: might say, why would a man told a pocket knife
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three, Same reason he told one in
Speaker 7: six hundred BC, when the first folding knife was invented.
Speaker 7: Did I say six hundred BC? I sure did, because
Speaker 7: that's when some cat in Austria got tired of his
Speaker 7: wife hollering at him for poking holes in his breeches
Speaker 7: every time he put his knife back in his pocket. Now,
Speaker 7: I'm sure she had plenty of soul and to do
Speaker 7: without fixing his clothes every time he got finished skin
Speaker 7: in a mess of squirrel soap. He invented the folding
Speaker 7: pocket knife and marital bliss, and for at least twenty
Speaker 7: six hundred years a man that was prepared and ready
Speaker 7: to be a man has toaded a pocket knife and
Speaker 7: just think six hundred and one years after he invented it,
Speaker 7: say around one ad. I bet he was a most
Speaker 7: popular dadd in Austria when the tales of him setting
Speaker 7: around the tree cutting ribbons off of Christmas presents quicker
Speaker 7: than a hiccup way to gold Man in Austria, You, sir,
Speaker 7: are a legend. Now. If you're not prepared to answer
Speaker 7: the call when your wife hollers for you cut something
Speaker 7: for I wonder about your priorities and her judgment. At
Speaker 7: the beginning of our marriage, a lectis would say, Brent,
Speaker 7: do you have your knife? And my answer would usually
Speaker 7: reference a question about a bear's wilderness bathroom habits. Now
Speaker 7: years later, as she celebrates daily her lottery like husband,
Speaker 7: when it's a simple honey, cut this for me and bam,
Speaker 7: the deed is done, I'm always ready. A pocket knife
Speaker 7: can protect your family, skin your supper, help you build
Speaker 7: a shelter, open a package, perform surgery. The possible uses
Speaker 7: are endless. When you need one and have it, life
Speaker 7: is golden when you need one and don't. There's not
Speaker 7: a more helpless feeling. This is normally where I in
Speaker 7: a story about how I got in a bind one
Speaker 7: time and needed a knife and didn't have one. I
Speaker 7: can't do that, you know why, because I ain't never
Speaker 7: been with that one, except when we go to airport's
Speaker 7: concerts and different places now where you can't tote one.
Speaker 7: I can't tell you how many times I'll pat my
Speaker 7: pocket for the knife that ain't there, and the short
Speaker 7: lived panic that startles me till I realized I didn't
Speaker 7: bring it with me on purpose, which reminds me of
Speaker 7: a time when me and Clay Nukem we're catching a
Speaker 7: flight out of northwest Arkansas. We were headed for British
Speaker 7: Columbia on a bear hunt, and it's not a big airport,
Speaker 7: but the security folks there are just as observant and
Speaker 7: dedicated to doing their job and making things safe for
Speaker 7: all of us. Fortunately, we were in Arkansas and not
Speaker 7: some big city airport when the X ray man found
Speaker 7: the skinny knife and Clay Bow's carry on. Apparently our
Speaker 7: clothes and our gear leaned more toward a couple of
Speaker 7: hunters than a couple of fellows with nefarious intentions. We
Speaker 7: called Misty. She came and picked up the knife. The
Speaker 7: TSA guy was cool about it. Besides, we had several
Speaker 7: others legally packed and secured in our luggage. We wound
Speaker 7: up not needing the skin a knife anyway, But that's
Speaker 7: a different story.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 7: Pocket knife covered that one pretty well, at least till
Speaker 7: we get to the other pocket. But until we do,
Speaker 7: what else is in the old right front pocket? Chapstick?
Speaker 7: Now here's a disclaimer down here. We call lip bomb
Speaker 7: chapstick regardless of the brand, but we never call it
Speaker 7: lip bomb. Hey, I don't make the rules. I just
Speaker 7: live bomb. That's the end of the disclaimer. Chapstick. Not
Speaker 7: much you can say about that. Sure you can. You
Speaker 7: can dive it on a cut to help stop bleeding.
Speaker 7: You can use it to moisturize dry skin. Heck, you
Speaker 7: can even use it to help with building a fire
Speaker 7: and keep you from having chapped lips. My dad told
Speaker 7: me a joke when I was a kid about an
Speaker 7: old cowboy that rode into town from out on the range.
Speaker 7: Instead of rushing into the sloan to get him a
Speaker 7: cold drink, he hitched his horse up and pulled a
Speaker 7: brush out of his saddle and started brushing itself off.
Speaker 7: The mayor of the town was watching him as the
Speaker 7: cowboy cleaned up as best he could, straightened his clothes,
Speaker 7: washed his hands in the trough, and tucked his shirt in.
Speaker 7: The mayor was impressed and started walking toward him and
Speaker 7: welcomed him to the town. When the cowboy walked around
Speaker 7: to the back of the horse, poked his finger and
Speaker 7: the horses behind, and rubbed it on his lips, the
Speaker 7: mayor was shocked, but he welcomed him anyway, and he said,
Speaker 7: I appreciate you cleaning up when you got here. We
Speaker 7: got a lovely little town and we want to keep
Speaker 7: it that way. But man, I only got one question.
Speaker 7: Why did you poke your horses behind and rub it
Speaker 7: on your lips. The old cowboy looked at him and said,
Speaker 7: my lips are chapped, and the mayor said, oh, what
Speaker 7: is that cure? And the cowboy said no, but it
Speaker 7: keeps me from licking them and making it worse. Told
Speaker 7: some chapstick with you. It's smaller and a horse cheaper
Speaker 7: to feed, and there's no bad aftertaste. The right front
Speaker 7: pocket is done, so what's an old lefty? The loaner
Speaker 7: pocket knife, a buckeye and a sack at your wheel
Speaker 7: one dollar coin. The loner knife is for your friend
Speaker 7: that doesn't carry one but finds himself in the need
Speaker 7: of one on occasion, which is the very reason you
Speaker 7: tote one to begin with. And if he doesn't tote one,
Speaker 7: he ain't got enough sense not to use your good
Speaker 7: one in a manner that it wasn't designed. All these
Speaker 7: things I'm about to say now go slap out the
Speaker 7: window and in its emergency, when it's life and death,
Speaker 7: nothing else matters. However, when it ain't and you need
Speaker 7: a wire cut, a screw tightened, or a pry bar,
Speaker 7: don't look at me and ask to borrow my pocket knife.
Speaker 7: It's something to be respected, taken care of, maintained, and
Speaker 7: sharpened regularly, because a dull one is of no service
Speaker 7: to anyone. Now, I'm not gonna tell you what the
Speaker 7: brand of my loneer pocket knife is because it don't matter.
Speaker 2: It ain't a case.
Speaker 7: It's a well made pocket knife, I assure you. But
Speaker 7: I'm talking about what's in my pockets and what I
Speaker 7: like the best. You may hate case pocket knives and
Speaker 7: like something totally different. I don't care. That's fine with me.
Speaker 7: But you ought to be in jail if you do.
Speaker 7: Just kidding, not really. What about that sack of jewee
Speaker 7: a one dollar coin, Well, I can tell you it
Speaker 7: was minted in two thousand. Monetarily it's worth whatever a
Speaker 7: dollarbile value. But my wife gave it to me. And
Speaker 7: if you don't know who sack of jewel is, do
Speaker 7: yourself a favor and look her up, or better yet,
Speaker 7: read Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose. That book is thicker
Speaker 7: than a cathead biscuit, but worth the effort and just
Speaker 7: as ease to digest. She was an invaluable guide and
Speaker 7: interpreter that helped Lewis and Clark find their way across
Speaker 7: the wilderness and back when our country was young and
Speaker 7: we didn't know our behinds from fifteen cents about anything
Speaker 7: west to Saint Louis. The coin serves is a symbol
Speaker 7: from my wife to me that when I'm out on
Speaker 7: a hunt or a long journey, that I can always
Speaker 7: find my way home. She's my Sackagey will. She's a
Speaker 7: whole lot more, but she's not much on skin and
Speaker 7: stuff though, and I have a feeling Sackagey we was anyway,
Speaker 7: That's why I told it.
Speaker 2: The buckeye.
Speaker 7: If you've listened to any of the Bear Grease Render
Speaker 7: podcast you may have heard me mention it. I'll tell
Speaker 7: you about this particular one in a minute. First, I
Speaker 7: want to talk about why you'd have one.
Speaker 2: To begin with.
Speaker 7: Esculus pavia, commonly referred to as the red buckeye, that
Speaker 7: is the most prominent variety of the two known grove
Speaker 7: to Arkansas. It produces a nut, which is actually the seed,
Speaker 7: and it grows in a pod that matures in late summer. Now,
Speaker 7: folks have been toting them in their pockets for luck
Speaker 7: for generations. There's an old saying that when you'll never
Speaker 7: find a dead man with a buck eye in his pocket.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: I don't know if that's because you don't find a
Speaker 7: a lot of dead men laying around, or because it
Speaker 7: wouldn't be too cool to peel for through their clothes
Speaker 7: if you did, my family, close friends, and I would
Speaker 7: give them to each other as tokens of good luck
Speaker 7: for hunting. Somewhere in our families passed it was dictated
Speaker 7: that one hunter had to give it to another for
Speaker 7: it to work. You couldn't just find one and put
Speaker 7: it in your pocket and reap the benefits. That ain't
Speaker 7: how that works.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: I'm not superstitious at all. I just firmly believe that
Speaker 7: if I was to lose the one I got in
Speaker 7: my pocket, that I wouldn't never have another successful hunt.
Speaker 7: The one I have I've been caring for close to
Speaker 7: ten years, and it means a lot to me. First
Speaker 7: time I met Old Clay Bow, he'd ask me to
Speaker 7: come film a bear hunt for him in the Washtall
Speaker 7: Mountains in Arkansas. He and the majority of his youngest
Speaker 7: took me around where he grew up hunting, and we
Speaker 7: wound up on a mountain in the area and I
Speaker 7: saw a buckeye bush. I told him the story of
Speaker 7: how my family traded them back and forth and handed
Speaker 7: him one, and in return, he gave one to me.
Speaker 7: I'm still toting it to this day, and I have
Speaker 7: every day since that hunt nearly ten years ago. Clay's
Speaker 7: always amazed when he asked about it and I take
Speaker 7: it out of my pocket and show it to me.
Speaker 7: He told me he lost the one I gave him
Speaker 7: before we got off the mountain that day. He didn't
Speaker 7: kill a bear that year either. The incidence we'll never
Speaker 7: know for sure, but no absolutely not a coincidence. In
Speaker 7: the bill of my overalls. On the right side, I
Speaker 7: carried my billfold all my folding money. Inside that bill
Speaker 7: fold is a five centennial quarter, a quarter minuted in
Speaker 7: nineteen seventy six. My dad had jars full of them, so,
Speaker 7: along with everything else that's part of my uniform, I
Speaker 7: told one of those in remembrance of him. Until I
Speaker 7: started thinking about all my everyday carry items to tell
Speaker 7: you all about, I never really seen how much connection
Speaker 7: there was to the memories of my family who passed away,
Speaker 7: But now I do, and talking about each one of
Speaker 7: them makes me smile. I've always fancied a good pocket watch,
Speaker 7: and on one Father's Day, my wife and little girl
Speaker 7: Bailey gave me one. It came all the way from London, England,
Speaker 7: and it keeps time like a man possessed. It has
Speaker 7: a decorative silver coon attached to a short chain on
Speaker 7: the other end that hangs on the outside of the
Speaker 7: bill by overalls. Now for all those that have a
Speaker 7: pair of overalls, real overalls, and you never quite figured
Speaker 7: out what that slit was above the bill of the
Speaker 7: pockets and the small hidden pocket sewing into the scene
Speaker 7: on the bib. If you didn't know what that was for,
Speaker 7: stand by for news. It's for your pocket watch chain
Speaker 7: and your pocket watch. The watch is obviously for telling time,
Speaker 7: but the fob tells everyone a little bit about you.
Speaker 7: It makes a statement without making one. I like to
Speaker 7: think that when folks see mind It, they see a
Speaker 7: country boy that's proud of where he came from, proud
Speaker 7: of the folks he raised him, and even more proud
Speaker 7: to share these stories. Thank you so much for listening.
Speaker 7: If you like it, share it with your friends. Maybe
Speaker 7: they'll like it too. And hey, beat the system. Talk
Speaker 7: to pocket knives, keep the good one for yourself, along
Speaker 7: the other ones to your friends. This is Brent Reeves
Speaker 7: signing off.
Speaker 2: Y'all be careful