WEBVTT - Ep. 440: Glassing for Sheds 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:13.320 If this is the me Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.720 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.720 Listenst you can't predict anything. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.320 Presented by First Light, creating proven versatile hunting apparel from 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.880 Marino bass layers to technical outer wear. For every hunt, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:35.920 First Light, Go Farther, stay longer. All right, good lord, 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.159 there's a lot to talk about. Should we start with 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.400 introducing our guests. We're talking about Phil's new haircut. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:43.240 People. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:50.280 People get more conservative the older they get generally, not always, 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.080 but generally, and that's happening to Phil with his hair. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.200 Because my hair is getting more like militaristic. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.240 He pretty soon is gonna have a flat top. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.960 That's what my grandpa died with. So it's only a 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:03.520 matter of time. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.520 He's gradually going flat top. And Chester got a ball 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:12.759 sack tattooed to his arm. No, can I see it again? 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.160 Oh No, that's been there. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.200 Yeah. Yeah, if you if they would just close this 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.160 upright there, it would be because like for. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.640 Sure, yeah you could have. I mean, if you've got 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.000 like the wrinkles, and if he got even a little 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.800 bit drunk, well, if you gave me a tattue gun, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:31.920 I could turn it into a c and. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.880 B wow, was the first time I heard that. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:38.960 I was trying to think of how to keep a 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.560 family family friend would still be clear? 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.800 Just so everybody knows, it is, in fact, not a 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:47.520 ball sack. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:53.160 It's a proof of sex tattoo. And it's a proof 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:54.000 of sex tattoo. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:02:01.440 It is all right. It's an old like spade fly, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.520 like a steelhead, like a swing and fly swinging. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:10.760 All right, I got through this material. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:18.000 All right, Oh Chester, I've seen that tattoo a thousand times, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.560 but I just didn't see it that way. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:21.919 Now you can't un see it. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:23.520 Did you know what it was? 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.680 I've always known, But then when someone when you said 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.720 what your sister thought it was, then I looked at 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:30.760 it all anew. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.280 Because when my arms down like this, you know, kind 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.120 of can I is? 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:38.840 Can I get a pen? Can I give it a 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.359 couple of little Can I give it a couple of 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:40.959 little hairs? 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.400 Just to see? What? Like? The only one we have 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:45.119 is a sharpie? 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:45.799 That's too bad? 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:49.440 What kind of fly is that? 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.120 It's just like you know those like spade flies, those 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.720 fancy feathered flies that people tie up with a guinea hen. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.120 And it's one of them. Danielle and I were in 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:05.880 Hawaii and I was we just decided to get tattoos 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:07.120 spur of the moment. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.200 Did the Hawaiian know what that was? 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:09.840 No? 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:11.360 M hmmm. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.400 He's like, oh that's cool, and then he had. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.200 A little snicker with his buddies in the back. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.680 Yea tourists. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.920 I love that tattooed Chester. I think Chess has also 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.880 got an arrow tattooed up and down his arm. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.800 Yeah, it's not really proportional. My mom hates that one. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.320 It's like a crossbow bolt. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:33.640 With the giants. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.240 Oh yeah, it's got a lot fletching. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:36.160 Yeah. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.600 Yeah, and he's got to fly on the other arm. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.080 What you got a trap on the other arm? 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:41.600 No, I should should. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.280 I did a big old double long spring on there. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.280 Joined today by Ben dettamante am I saying that, right, 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.160 you did you nail it. You guys are Italian, you know. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.840 I like to say I'm one hundred percent Italian, although 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.400 I'm not actually a hundred percent Italian. 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.920 A little bit to twenty five fantastic, yeah right where 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.600 I'm at. Yeah, it's a good number. Have you done 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.440 the twenty three and me? 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.360 Oh yeah, yeah, we did the whole breakdown. Really, I 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.520 think it was like about a quarter for me. Well, 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.080 actually my dad did. I didn't do it, so I'm 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.360 deducing from his results. Yeah what I am? 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.360 Did you know I'm ten times more African than Elizabeth 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:14.520 Warren is Native American. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.120 I say, count it. I'd be putting that on two 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.359 percent paperwork. Count it because my my Italians are from Sicily. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.560 That's a good place. We're from Lake Como apparently. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.520 Oh really so you go by? 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.200 Uh? 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.080 I know this because on your social media stuff shed crazy? 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:32.880 Tell people about that. You know you're not like crazy 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:33.919 about building sheds. 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.240 Well, no, I don't know anything about building sheds for sure, 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.039 but yeah it does, you know, come up a lot, 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.599 you know, shit crazy. But yeah, that's kind of just 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.200 a little thing. I started social media back maybe twenty 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.440 twelve or something, start a little Instagram page, and now 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.800 it's my identity. Because you love picking up I love 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:53.640 picking up sheds. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:54.720 Do you get sick of it? 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.279 Sometimes? I don't get picked like sick of finding sheds, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.000 but like the grind that comes with like constantly going 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.560 out and trying to find new areas and stuff gets old, 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:03.920 for sure. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.560 Really yeah, but you you retired from being a custodian. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:07.840 I did. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.159 We're gonna get into that, yeah, in order to in 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.240 order to hunt sheds. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.839 Yeah. I left an illustrious career as a custodian to 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.880 do this full time. So it's a interesting way to 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:18.479 make a living. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.680 And right now it's like, you should not be here 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:21.640 right now, you should be doing that. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.680 No, I'm sacrificing some prime real estate, some prime time 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.840 in the hills to be here, So you guys are welcome. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.680 I found a shed yesterday, but then I realized I'd 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:29.400 already found it. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.039 Yeah, you refound my dog. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.200 Because my dog carried it off and I thought I 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:34.960 found it, and then I got to looking at it 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.919 and realized that it had the same string that I 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.520 used to hang it into a tree. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.520 It's probably just as exciting though, right. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.080 Oh hey, another thing you know we like to If 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.800 you're a frequent listener, you know that we like to 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.680 tack things on the end of the show. So the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.680 show will end and you'll hear a new thing that's 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.359 interesting or whatever. We're going to tack on an episode 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.719 of our new podcast, This Country Life with Brent Reeves. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:09.520 It's the it's really really good it's really funny. I driving, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.799 if I'm driving around, listen to it. I laugh out loud. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.280 My kid, my older boy loves that show. He just 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.120 sits there going I like this guy. I like this guy. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.640 Do you like this guy? I like this guy. It's 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.039 so good. We're gonna tack on an episode. It runs 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.520 on the bear Grease feed, So the same way if 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.000 you have the media podcast feed and the trivia show 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.279 shows up on there. If you're on the bear Grease 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.920 feed and you listen to Clay's bear Grease podcast, you'll 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.200 see that. Now you're also going to get served this 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.520 country life with Brent Reeves, just so you get a 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:42.760 taste a little lickings. We're gonna tack what what's. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.920 It called, Phil, the stuff in my pockets? 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.440 The stuff in my I was gonna say, what's in 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.640 my pocket? The stuff in my pockets on the end 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.000 of the show. So give that a listen. If you 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.520 love it, go over subscribe to bear Grease and you'll 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.880 see it. You'll see it rolled into the bear Grease feed. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:06:59.840 I like it so much, I might steal it from 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.040 and put it in this feed. Phil, you think about that. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:04.719 You and Clay might have to throw some fists, but 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:05.599 we'll make it happen. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.840 We'll see enjoy that when you get to the end 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:14.200 of the show. Gordon Lightfoot passed away. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.120 One of the greats. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.120 Oh my god, the legend lives on inarguably. 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.720 Inarguably he wrote the greatest song of all time, the 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:28.520 Record of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Interestingly, if you go on Spotify, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.640 the record the Edmund Fitzgerald has this is just one measure, 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:40.040 okay on the album Summertime Dream. The Record of the 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:45.320 Edmund Fitzgerald has fifty two million, seven hundred and sixty 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:50.280 five and thirty plays on the album. It came out 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:58.560 on a seven minute song. They came out the record, Phil, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.400 can you check what year record the Edvan fie Gerald 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.000 came out. The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald was nineteen 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:04.360 seventy five. I was one years old. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.120 This is nineteen seventy six. So he wrote it right out. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.840 So at the centennial, at the American Centennial, the American 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:16.040 bi Centennial, Gord, Canadian folk singer Gord comes out with 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.760 the greatest song ever written by man, the recor of 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:23.400 the Edmond Fitzgerald on that album that it released on 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.560 that's something he plays, it has on Spotify. So just 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:30.520 a relative picture here, fifty two million will round up 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.280 to fifty three million plays on his album Summertime Dream. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:40.880 Guess what the second highest number of plays is on 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:47.040 Spotify on that album Sundown, different album this is where 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.280 It Get get You already skipped ahead of the depressing 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:56.559 part two million plays. So his Race among the Ruins 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.480 not a great song, has two million plays. The recor 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.480 of the EDMF Fidh drailed fifty three million plays. However, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.800 like Chester Brought Up, this is this is how you 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.679 find out what's wrong with America. Like Chester Brought Up, 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.120 you go to his album Sundown Great or you know 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:22.400 Great Tune, and Sundown right now is sitting at ninety 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:28.559 eight million, meaning that more people listen to a song 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.240 that is not the greatest song ever written by Man 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.520 than than listen to the greatest song ever written by Man. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.600 I wonder if that's because people have a hard time, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.280 like holding their attention to something for seven minutes. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.240 It sounds only three and a half minutes long. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.080 And it's catchier like to the mainstream too, is it? 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:49.920 It's been sampled? 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:50.760 Hasn't that been? 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.520 Like movies and stuff sundown. Oh yeah, it's been sampled, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.280 and I think, like, wasn't it like P Diddy? What 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:57.040 the hell's his name? 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:01.720 Is that what he goes by these days? Right? 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.600 Yeah, so I'm sure he goes by his name. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.880 Now the wreck for you, for you folk, Phil, Let's 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.199 queue up the part where he talks about Lake Michigan, 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.679 because there's a part and this is always spoke to 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.760 me because I grew up on Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:22.040 steams like a young man's dreams, Her islands and bays 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.160 are for sportsmen. Well, he he what he does in 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.480 his song. He does a comparison contrasts between all the 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:31.840 great lakes, and he's like, basically, Lake Superior is a 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.960 cold bitch, and then all the other lakes. He has 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.240 whatever he has to say, and his typification of Lake 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.800 Michigan is Lake Michigan steams like young man's dreams, Her 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:42.240 islands and bays are for sportsmen. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:43.920 That's a good line. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:47.000 That's great, which makes it seem like it's like a 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:52.480 like a like a wimpy little lake. Not that theed 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:57.880 mephis Gerald's Hall and iron Ore, I believe from Duluth 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:04.000 to down to Young's I believe it sank in a 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:09.040 horrible November storm nineteen seventy five. Twenty nine people aboard. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.200 It sank in five hundred feet of water in Lake Superior. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.680 At five hundred feet there's no life and no light, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:20.319 and there's no current, which I didn't really know until recently. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:21.120 No current. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.480 It's in five hundred feet of water. So you used 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.559 to not be able to dive it, but you can. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:30.079 People can dive it, and so starting in the nineties 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.079 people started to be able to dive down to the wreck. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:39.480 The bodies are still identifiable. No whoa still identifiable? 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:40.120 Really? 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:41.000 Yeah? 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.080 Sitting in thirty four degree water, no current, no light, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:49.480 no life. A guy took pictures of identifiable bodies. They 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.160 later made it illegal to sell out to dive that 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.520 wreck and pull stuff off it. But they took the 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.120 bell off it and they replaced it with a bell 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:04.160 with all twenty nine sailors his names etched into the bell. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.439 So now in five hundred feet in Lake Superior is 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.560 a bell, a new bell with all twenty nine sailors. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:13.600 Names on it. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:19.960 So at the Maritimes Sailor's Cathedral at a church in Detroit. 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:25.800 The next morning, someone came out and rang the bell 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.760 in Detroit twenty nine times, once for every person lost 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.360 on the ship. A journalist saw him do it and 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.720 knocked on the door of the church and interviewed the 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:37.960 person who rang the bell, and that became a big 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.920 news story. So in the Reck of the Edmin Fitzgerald, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:45.040 when Gordon Lightfoot says the church bell chimed till it 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.479 rang twenty nine times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.040 that's what he's alluding to. And now that bell, there's 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.079 a bell on the ship. And once they found the ship, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.679 they found out that a detail like Gord was real specific. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.840 He even says that the ship weigh twenty six thousand 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.600 tons more than it weighed empty, like very specific. I 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.560 didn't know this. He later changed. I was just reading 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.280 about this all when he died. He changed the lyrics 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.160 about the cause of the ship because he's at at 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.000 seven PM a main hatchway caved in, and now it 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.400 seems like maybe that's not the case, and he changed 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.560 the lyrics to stay true to current understanding of what 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.559 sunk that ship. We used to ice Fish and Whitefish 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.720 Bay looking out toward where it was. I've seen Gored 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.720 do that song live two times. The first time I 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.679 saw him do it live was at Interlock and which 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.600 is like an artsy fartsy camp in Michigan. Second time 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.360 I saw him do it was at a big hockey 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:47.720 arena in Ontario, so then you're in shipping country. I mean, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.720 Interlocking is on the lake that steams like a young 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.320 man's dreams. When I saw it the second time, it 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.920 was where Lake Superior flows into the Saint Mary's River, 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:05.160 which drops twenty some feet into Lake Huron. So Lake 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:09.360 Huron accepts Lake Superior. Lake Superior dumps through the Saint 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.640 Mary's Rapids and flows into there. So I saw him 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:17.240 there at that very important place and Gord is standing 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.280 up on stage and it's in the hockey stadium. This 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.960 place is packed because he's Canadian. I can't remember what 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.360 year it was, but he basically stands up and says 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.680 like in the later in the concert, because when you 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.400 have a big hit, you always do it late. Right 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.520 like when I saw a Marshall Tucker band. You don't 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.760 come out and you can't see right off the bat 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:44.360 because everybody leaves right standing in the line from Marshall 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.960 Tucker Band my friend Brian said, if she don't like Tucker, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:59.680 I ain't gonna fill in the blank. So they're at 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.520 the high AA. Gord, towards the end of the show 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.680 stands up and I can't remember what year it was, 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.600 but it would have been. He stands up and says 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:15.280 something like, it'll be thirty five years this November. It's 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:16.400 all he needed to say. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.480 The crowd erupted, Oh my god. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.280 I often allude to when we beat the Russians in 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:30.120 hockey in the Olympics in like the eighties. That feeling 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.120 of that emotional catharsis that America went through when Gordon. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.160 It was nothing compared to when Gordon stood up and 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.200 said in Canada it'll be It'll be whatever, thirty five 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:45.920 years of November. I mean, people wept, oh, and he 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.480 passed away, made it into his eighties. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:57.360 In the rooms of her Icewater mansion, Michigan steams like 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:04.440 a young man's dreams. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:03.920 Oh. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.760 You know when they killed Ben Laden, they supposedly put 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.240 him in a in a sack with an anchor and overboard. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.880 I would like to get Gord's carcass. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.000 It's not too late. I'm assuming. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.280 You might have a lot I don't know. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.040 I would like to get Gord's carcass, get that same 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:36.680 set up and go right to that waypoint that's where 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.480 he belongs to put him down there with the thin 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:41.560 well you weighed it down. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.120 Last thing's light foot. He might just that it's a good. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.240 Joke, just like he's a three good jokes. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:49.440 I would say. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.040 If I had jokes, good yours, I'd say, I'm super loud. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.480 Yeah, maybe your headphones are just quiet. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.320 Oh so rest piece, I gotta do a cover of that. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.679 Oh you should have Dandy Warhol's covered it seven minutes. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:09.560 That's the third thing I want to add. It got 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:13.879 to number two and stayed in the Billboard charts for months. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.960 And this is at a time when songs had to 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.520 be three minutes long, and they were a boy it 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.359 was a song? Was this three and a half minutes long? Okay, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:29.240 verse chorus, verse, chorus, bridge chorus. It was like love 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:34.919 goes wrong, Like there's love, it goes wrong. I left her, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.359 she left me. I wish she was back. Like that 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:38.639 was what music was. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.199 I can't funny thing you're saying that I wrote a 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.440 song the other day, and it's exactly what you're saying. 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.600 It goes wrong, it's gonna be a hit. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.160 Verse chorus, there's no bridge. I don't like bridges. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.840 Oh bridges are Chester Chait put a bridge in it. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.960 And here's the guy that comes out with a seven 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:04.840 in it. Song detailing in great specificity and iron ore 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.399 freighter sinking in Lake Superior. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.440 With the tonnage. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.639 Yeah now and then something slips through the cracks. You 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.720 could picture just as well that Gord would have written 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:24.480 to Edmund Fitzgerald and no one listened to it. If 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.720 that's the greatest song ever written, Tonight we rides the 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.800 second game. That's what I was. That's number one in 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:33.320 my book, great detail, that's my favorite song. Pancho Villa 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.720 comes into the US raids a Texas town. Black Jack Pershing, 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.760 who would later make his name in World War One, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.280 goes in pursuit of him, chases him for two years. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.439 Some of the guys he's with decided to hang on 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:52.600 down in Mexico. They have various adventures. Nothing about boys 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.159 and girls. Well no, because he does. He alludes to 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:57.840 going to a whorehouse. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:06.840 Yeah, there you go. It's a great song. Oh man, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.240 we should make a playlist, Phil, we can do that. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.359 You made a playlist for the live show that you 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.040 you had me, this would be a different bla be 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:15.600 a different one. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.919 Blackjack pershing on a dancing horse is waiting in the wings. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.359 I had looked like it's yeah, it's like the writing 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.080 of Cormick McCarthy, where you got to look a lot 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.680 of stuff up, stuff up, because he said, when Jackie 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:31.840 wasn't looking, I stole his fine spade bit. The hell's 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.280 a spade bit. I didn't know what did you know 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:34.719 what that was? 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.440 I mean a general idea of what it is. I 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:37.480 don't know too specifically. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:42.320 It's a spade shaped blade that goes into a horse's mouth, 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.720 So when you pull on the rein, it drives that 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.160 spade shaped blade up into the roof of its mouth, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:48.960 greatly irritating. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:51.760 That's how you push a horse hard. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:54.840 He says when he catches he was going to catch 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.480 Pancho Villa and make chaps out of Pancho Villa's skin. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.480 Shoot his horse. Yet they laywise in this twenty seven 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.200 brides Yep, it's a good song. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.960 He observes that you don't need no teeth for kissing 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:13.119 gals and smoking sheep stars. I sleep with one eyes 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.840 open need neath God's celestial stars. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.200 Yep, that's back. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:25.280 When they could write rest in peace, Gordon, rest in peace. 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.280 Maybe even better than dumping them over the ship, was 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:30.880 he to get one of those divers and go tuck 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:37.439 them in down in that ship. Hmmm, get a wet. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:37.760 Suit for that. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.080 I'm surprised there's no life down there. Yeah, that's that 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:42.880 was very surprised. 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.760 In the ocean. Giant squid eat them. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:47.119 Yeah. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:56.200 So, if Gord's family's listening, think about this, or you 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.480 could just take a more modest approach. Put his stuff 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.240 in a big, old heavy. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:02.320 See that thing we got. 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.320 You know that artillery shell we got down there? Oh yeah, 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.840 put his ashes in there. Put a bunch of melted 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.840 lead in there, and right down where you want her. 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.240 They could use that artillery shell if they wanted. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.680 Gordon's families listening, We have an artillery shell. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:22.959 Oh you know what you should do? 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.719 I got it now, Phil, We're gonna wrap it up 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.639 on this conversation. Yeah, this is what they should do. 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:36.160 Get a bell, Oh, carve Gord. Here lies here lies 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.760 Gord or Gord or Gordon lightfoot, depending on how if 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:45.480 the person etching it has that much time Gordon, lightfoot 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.520 into the bell, invert the bell, put the ashes in there, 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.520 pour a bunch of lead in on top of that, and. 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:53.560 Then you got to ring it one time for him 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:57.920 church bell. 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.080 Chime to the ring one time Gordon for the for 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:02.639 the writer of the Edmundon. 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.399 If you didn't end up in a family plots to you, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.240 where would you want your body or ashes to? 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.040 I know exactly where I want it. Yeah, I've told 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:12.080 my kids. I've told my wife. None of them listens. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.600 I know exactly where I want it. I want it 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:20.200 on top of a particular butte, and I want preferably 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.520 them to quarter my carcass out. I've explained this to him. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.639 Oh my god, I want to be quartered out hauled 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.000 up there. It's three miles hauled there and left there, 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.560 tucked in a little out of the way so I 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:37.359 could be scavenged by wolves and grizzlies. That's what I 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.080 would like. I've said. I've told them. If you aren't 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.360 able to do that, dump the ashes there. 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.040 Who's packing the head. 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.200 It doesn't matter me. It'll be out to my kids, 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:50.479 just three of them. It's like not a bad load. Now, 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:51.719 it's fifty pound packs. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:58.719 Quartered cooled, properly, bled out in a game bag and 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:00.760 just tucked in out of the way, and something can 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.359 eat me. That's what I want, all right. It's a 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:11.760 near green burrial. We burned a lot of time, up, Krinn. 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.679 We can cut half of the talking points. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:13.200 What was a few things here? 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:15.800 There's some great stuff in here. 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:24.760 This is interesting. Okay, here's the deal. You guys are 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:30.600 all familiar with Saxon Pope, Pope and Young. Okay, I 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.680 didn't know this. So Saxon Pope had a book, Hunting 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:38.080 with the Bow and Arrow nineteen forty seven. Now, Krinin 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.960 if I'm understanding this is in Saxon Pope's book. Yes, 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.480 so Saxon Pope and what was Young's first name? 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:45.040 You remember him? 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:45.800 Art? 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:52.320 Yeah, Saxon Pope and Art Young, two early archers. 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.000 Uh who. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:01.879 What's kind of funny about archerie today is people talk 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:06.800 about traditional archery. Traditional archery isn't old. I mean it 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:10.160 took a long high like traditional archery took off, took 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.200 a long hiatus. Now, at the Battle a Little Big 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.199 Horn in eighteen seventy six, they were still well at 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.479 the Federman Fight, which is sixty three eighteen sixty three. 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:23.080 I think it was the Federman Fight sixty three or 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:28.280 sixty four. Primarily bows. The Sioux involved in that fight 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.879 when they killed they called it the Battle of one 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:34.560 hundred in the Hand because they killed about one hundred 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:39.480 cavalry soldiers primarily with archery equipment. You get to eighteen 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.520 seventy six battle a Little Big Horn, they killed several 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:49.000 hundred soldiers, still using bows. Primarily guns at that point, 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.719 still some archery stuff though, and it had like a 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:56.120 strategic advantage because they would use their bows. You could 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.040 shoot people without seeing them because you could just lib arrows. 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.600 They would lib arrows. So if you were like dug 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.680 into little holes, they might have guns, but they could 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.520 just lob arrows up and just land arrows down on 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.439 things that were in holes or out of sight. But 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.080 then it was by nineteen hundred people weren't using bows, 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:15.680 so it took a big break. And then you get 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:21.720 into the forties and then dudes like Saxon Pope kind 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:28.200 of like reinvigorate rediscovery, rediscover archery hunting. Sax And Pope 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:29.760 has this story in his book. I had no idea, 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.439 I don't I haven't read this. He's talking about Humboldt County. 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:35.760 People that like to smoke a lot of weed know 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:41.240 that place. There was an old settler named Pete Blueford. 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:46.159 Now they use a derogatory term that was very common 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:51.440 anytime you're reading books from the term. There's a term 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:52.840 you see all the time in old books called a 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:58.159 squaw man, and a squawman is a derogatory term for 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.400 like it'd be a derogatory term for a white person. 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.639 If a white man married a Native American woman and 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.760 lived with her family or lived in her village, he 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:14.399 became not Bob or Doug. He became a squawman. That 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:18.720 was his defining characteristic. So he's talking about a man 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.560 who he's using the term a squawman, which means a 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.720 white man was married to a Native American woman. This 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:31.040 fella shot a female grizzly with cubs within a quarter 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.720 of a mile from what is now Blocksburg in Humboldt County. 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:40.680 It mauled him real good, tore his abdomen open, pulled 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:49.320 his guts out. His buddy's sewing back together. He lives 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:54.919 many years afterward. Now, when the guy was sewing him up, 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:59.000 there was a large glob of fat protruding from the incision, 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.840 and you couldn't get it tucked in right. 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:10.720 He later greased his boots with it. 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.879 Wow with his wonder how. 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.360 Rendered down his own belly fat and greased his boots. 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.040 That is waste, not want not. 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:28.760 Yeah. When I when I'm talking, when I'm explained why 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:34.520 I love America, That's why I love America. That's why 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.480 America is my number one favorite country. No, I like that, 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.600 you know, bald eagles and belly fat Gordon Lightfoot's country 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:47.639 would probably be a distant third for me. 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:50.520 That's pretty grotesque though. 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.159 That's why I refuse to lose weight. Like you never know, 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.000 and you're gonna need a little boot grease, you know, 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:56.240 to come in handy. 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.760 You could, Yeah, you could grease a handful of boots. 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.600 I thought he was going to render it and like 0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.200 cook something minute me too. 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:06.480 That's where I thought it was going. 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:09.320 That that would have been see, that would have been 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:10.680 just that's just gross. 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:11.120 Yeah. 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:20.760 Still after our this guy, someone wrote in, so we 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:23.760 still get a lot of notes about gators from our 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.760 Gator podcast, and I remember one guy wrote in that 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:33.120 he loved hearing, he loved hearing all of you Northerners 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:42.160 get real excited about alligator fast. So this guy writes in, 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.080 I really enjoyed your podcast, especially the recent episode and alligators. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:51.480 He's a private lands biologist in southeastern North Carolina. Part 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:57.040 of his role includes handling nuisance gator issues. Oh, Crintis 0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.000 this morning sent me photos of them pulling human parts 0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:00.760 the gator. 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:02.480 Yeah, that's another a gap. 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:04.400 Have those been on the internet. 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:06.600 I thought about posting, but that seems like a good 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.200 way to get your account taken away. 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:13.720 Yeah, it's old. Yeah that happened. I forget what year 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:14.240 it was. 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:16.240 I told you about when I was in fifth grade. 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.160 The teacher brought in pictures of her boyfriend's remains removed 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.680 from a crocodile. What's interesting is another alum from Rhese 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.400 Puffer rode in to say, dude, I had the same teacher, 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.080 same grade. She showed me the same pictures. 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.880 Wow, He's like, you. 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.240 Weren't wrong, because you weren't remembering wrong. She showed me 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:33.840 those pictures. 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:34.920 That's I never thought. 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.200 So she kept her job for a while. 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:37.680 We know that for sure. 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:40.120 We used to fish wally dogs right out in front 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.000 of her house. She lived on the Muskegon River. 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:46.240 Swamp as she sings pasted. 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.000 Oh yeah, was it pictures like what we saw? I 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.840 mean basically, it's like a gator's belly open and you 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.880 see like an entire you know, it looked like it 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.440 just looks like your arm. It wasn't digested because it 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.960 was so he sent like an arm. It's like it's 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:07.200 like someone someone who is retrieving the arm from the belly. 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.800 It's almost like he's like holding the hand of the 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:11.120 severed arm. 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:12.400 Hand was. 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.400 Just someone pulling it like an arm. 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:19.440 What's the story behind it? 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:21.720 It was just there was an attack. 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:27.960 Oh okay, last summer, this guy goes on. You know 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.520 what it reminded Seeing that photo reminded me of and 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.280 I'm still traumatized from it. I don't know if I 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:34.200 ever told you the story. 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.240 Here, I'll show it to everyone else so they get traumatized. 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.000 When I was a little kid, I watched them pull 0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:40.600 remains from an airplane wreck. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:46.200 Oh what if you don't know that he's not alive 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.520 in there, like maybe she's just helping him out, like 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:50.360 he's he's like, get me out of here. 0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:54.960 He's But then there's another picture of you know, like 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:56.920 the person lying there without there. 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.840 This guy goes on. Last summer, I found an entire 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:06.560 barred owl and a recently consumed turtle inside of a 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.720 seven footer that turned up dead at a golf course 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.480 after being killed by a larger gator. They had a 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.120 GPS alligator swallow a basketball and that slowly starved to death. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.520 It took it multiple years to starve to death. That 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.320 same alligator also had a six inch arrow shaft embedded 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:29.200 in its skull behind the eyes that likely altered its vision. 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:36.000 Jeez, I wonder how did it get a bard owl? 0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.640 You know, my here's my theory on it. After I 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.440 thought long and hard about it. That owl was laying 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:43.200 there dead in the water. 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.320 That's what I thought most probably. 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:58.120 Do you remember on a recent episode we were talking 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:02.640 about them having those gators mummies, the Egyptians having two 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:09.600 thousand year old gator mummies. That gator mummy has thirty 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:15.720 one crocodiles in it. It had a five point five 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:21.600 foot croc and thirty kroc babies, all embalmed and positions 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.880 so as to appear riding on the larger individual's back. 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:29.160 Wow. 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.360 In the antiquities, there's a term called the provenance might 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:37.880 saying that right provenance, meaning like, let's say I came 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.440 to you and I said, hey, check this out. I 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:43.440 actually own the Mona Lisa. People will be like, well, 0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:46.239 I'd like to understand the provenance of that, meaning how 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.840 did it flow from the louver to you. 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.800 Steve's actually a very successful harder. Yeah. 0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:01.120 In eighteen ninety nine, Phoebe Hurst of the Hers family, right, 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:07.000 she bought it from an antiquities dealer in Egypt. Now, 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:09.440 so we were wandering in there. They said, how there 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.760 was a fish hook in there, and we're like, what 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.320 kind of fish hook? And why would it not have corroded? 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:24.360 They believe it was a bronze hook, is how they 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:28.440 caught that thing. So people in Egypt two thousand years 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:30.080 ago fishing gators of bronze hooks. 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.640 Yeah, it's less susceptible to corrosion than copper and contemporary 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:43.320 forms of iron and steel, says this archaeologist. And yeah, 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.920 bronze would have been consistent with contemporary fishing fish hook 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.000 manufacturers at that time, even well into the iron Age. 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:55.200 Here's a story from Minnesota. Oh you'll appreciate this, Ben, 0:33:55.320 --> 0:34:03.920 all right, Ready, guy in Minnesota was living near a 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:06.840 registered sex offender. 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:09.520 Oh, let me just do the transition. This guy who 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.760 wrote in about the Gator Mummy is shared this story 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.920 because his parents live in this town where it happened, 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.200 and he didn't he doesn't. He didn't bring it up 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.239 with his parents or ask around because it's a small 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.719 town so everyone knows everyone. So this story comes from 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.000 the same guy who just wrote in about the crack Mummy. 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:26.360 So he has eclectic interests. 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:28.880 Yes, very much. It's a very interesting email. You know, 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.120 you don't expect the second part of the email after 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:31.879 reading the first. 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.120 But yeah, like usually when you send someone an email, 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:37.080 you put the really interesting. 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:37.479 Part in the front. 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.200 Yep, yep, Like you'd never be like, oh, and by 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.600 the way, I was mauled by you know prey. 0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:49.080 Yeah, it's a whole sworded story. I don't want to 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:50.440 get into all the details. 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:55.360 But basically a involves antler sheds a man, a. 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.280 Man be a child, molesser to death with an antler. 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.000 Yeah, I support it. 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.000 Multi use dog chews, well, they I. 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.399 Mean they can be a serious weapon. I mean I've 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:11.480 thought about it many times, Like when I'm not carrying 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.359 you know, pistol or bear spray. Got a he shed 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:16.080 just in case. 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.440 Would you go pedical side first as the club or. 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.360 I think i'd have to try to get the times 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.000 in there. Yeah right, yeah, a little bit of stabbing 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.840 motion in there. I think like a big like a 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.440 five point like a raghorn elk shed. You could get 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.200 some leth velocity behind that thing. 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.880 Be pretty easy for that to accidentally end up one 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.279 hundred eighty degrees the other way at some point during 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:36.840 a struggle. 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.319 Well, oh, and your opponent would turn it on you. Yeah, yeah, 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:42.280 not in my experience. 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:47.040 But the guy wrote in about me complaining about I 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:51.000 think that Wisconsin voters and I'm just I'm carpetbagging here. 0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:53.120 I'm not from wiscons I'm not a Wisconsin voter. I 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.960 think Wisconsin Nights have made a horrible mistake and not 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:01.240 allowing through the ice Northern Pike spearing. 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.880 In their waters. The argument against it. 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.520 Is they won't be able to tell a pike from 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.720 a musky. That's what the argument sounds like in that voice. 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:14.880 They won't be able to tell a pipe from musky. 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.360 That's people, Why why why don't they keep the closing 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:19.240 musky waters? 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.880 Well, hear me out, How can hunters and anglers be 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:24.680 trusted to. 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:31.000 Tell a tell a uh. 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:34.960 Female from a male. 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:38.879 Uh pike black bear. 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:41.640 I'm pointing to the skot doc. 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.480 I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think of here. 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:44.960 I'm in a little buying here because I'm trying to 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:46.520 think of a duck species where you need to know 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.600 male from female, where the male and female are not 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:56.040 super And I'm struggling, But okay, thirty minutes before sunrise. 0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.520 You can be trusted to tell a drake from a mallard. 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.239 They can trust you with that. Yeah, you can be 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:09.719 trusted to tell a two inch long spike antler from 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:14.960 a three inch long spike antler. Hunters can be trusted 0:37:15.760 --> 0:37:19.200 to determine that a black bear does not have a 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:24.600 cub hidden in the bushes, Tom Rahan, you can be 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.840 trusted to tell if a turkey has. 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:28.640 A beard or not. 0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.000 The one I shot barely a singular feather. 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:34.120 It's a feather. 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.719 A beard is a feather, a singular feather growing out 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.839 of his chest. We can trust hunters to figure that out, 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:43.080 but they can't be trusted to tell if you're spearing 0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.880 a pike or a muskie. You can be trusted to 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.000 know if you're throwing a pike or a muskie into 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:53.200 your ice box. You can be trusted to know that 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.279 you're putting a gaff into a pike or muskie at 0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.840 the hole when you're tip up fishing, but you can't 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.279 be trusted to tell a pike from a muskie when 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.719 your spirit. And a guy wrote in saying you have 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:14.680 to understand how drunk these people are. That is, he said, 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.760 there's two kinds of goggles. He says, there's beer goggles 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:18.960 and there's snorkeling goggles. 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.279 He thinks that you. 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.960 Should definitely be allowed to spear northerns in with Wisconsin 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:29.839 underwater with goggles on spearfishing, because those people aren't drunk. 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:37.600 He then followed up with a chart that shows excessive 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:45.160 drinking by county across the country yesterday, Okay, excessive drinking 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:52.280 by county across the country, Holy cow, Wisconsin. Excessive drinking 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:57.200 is marked by dark blue. Wisconsin is the only state 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.600 where ever, every county is, all of Wisconsin is dark blue. 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.200 Even if you go look where Wisconsin rolls into the 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:09.800 Michigan's Upper Peninsula, it's like at the line they just 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:11.120 stop excessive drinking. 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:14.600 Yeah, that's bizarre. 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:20.439 And then you go to Utah, Dude, those guys don't 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:22.880 drink because there's that joke, like there's. 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.040 That joke like, oh, you know, how do you take 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.880 to I'm not gonna tell jokes. We got. 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:36.319 Listen Utah, they are not excessive drinking, but I wonder 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.600 if it's all like voluntary, like do you excessive drink? 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:42.359 Gonna say yes to that question. 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.680 You know what the funny Wisconsin like, yes, sir. 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.520 I do you know what? The thing I noticed about 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.880 that Wisconsin map is Lake Winnebago is all white. 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:57.400 But because they're not excessive drinking on the there's a misrepresentation. 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:57.920 It's just. 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:01.600 When that thing is frozen. 0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:04.520 Why is green? Yeah? 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:05.959 Why is green Bay white? 0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.359 That's a great green Bay should be dark blue. 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.440 If you notice in Montana, Gallatin County, the county county 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.840 we're in right now, hard drinking, hard drinking county. 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:22.600 But Wisconsin, my goodness, and they like to pull a 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:24.080 cork around Duluth too. 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.120 I just love how clearly Utah's outlined in that map 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:30.160 so you can't really tell it. 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:36.319 And Appalachia, you know why, because they're making their own 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:41.719 and they're lying about it. Yeah, don't have any no, 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.800 none here, None of that stuff in this household. 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:46.640 The dry county is here because. 0:40:49.120 --> 0:41:00.239 Appalaysia sober as the day is long. Wisconsin just wunk 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:05.480 as a skunk. And he says, that is why you 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.560 can't trust those people with us. 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.480 With a speaking of tell us about forest floor foods, 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.080 old fashioned kid Chester. 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:18.000 Oh oh yeah, we have those on sale. So my 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.880 dad he started this. We've talked about it before, like 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:25.160 a cocktail garnish company for like Bloody Mary's and stuff. 0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.680 It's great state to be in for that kind of business, 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:31.080 as you can see. But now meat Eater and they 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:35.080 have been if they're selling that old fashioned kits on 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:39.720 the website, so you know, after you get done spearing 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:44.200 pike and whatnot, you can have yourself a cocktail. 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.080 Continue to contribute to that dark navy blue color. 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:53.239 Yes, yeah, yeah, they My parents actually just got their 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:57.919 products at the Brewers Stadium, so they call the Brewers nice. 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.560 That's big Packer games. They have some of their stuff there. 0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:02.960 Congrats. 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:06.279 N kind of cool, yeah, kind of proud moment. 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:12.720 Recently recovered the this move like all these people banning 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:13.600 kangaroo leather. 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.640 Yeah, like Adiita Snike And why did. 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.919 Doug Why did bubbly Doug write me a think about 0:42:21.000 --> 0:42:24.600 posh spice? Was she on the list of people remember 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:25.000 the band? 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:29.920 That's a Victoria Beckham? She's a huge eg fashion person. 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:31.440 Now who's married to that? 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:31.600 Was? 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.200 Who that was? Yeah? 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:40.239 Well, what's her story like? Did she is she protesting? 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.160 Because Doug was pointing out her husband has used has 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:46.080 worn out thousands of shoes made of kangaroo. 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.680 I wonder if she is. We didn't I didn't research that. 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.600 Wasn't Victoria Beckham one of the names that Steve listed 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:57.440 in the in the p She's married to David Beckham and. 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.040 She has a fashion line that will don't use kangaro leather, 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.520 even though her old man's been running around and kangaroo. 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:04.160 Shoes his entire life. 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:12.120 There you go, genuine. Ozzie wrote in just thought I'd 0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:15.120 add some detail to how idiotic the kangaroo leather boycott 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:21.120 is as a roushooter myself, as a way it's controlling kangaroos. 0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:24.040 We have two different permits, harvest permits and drop permits. 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:30.719 Harvest permits require a firearm accuracy test, butchering course and 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:34.560 certified holding rack to acquire on top of a gun 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:40.880 license oh okay, a certified holding, so they're heavily licensed 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.440 to get their firearm, which all in all costs around 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:49.040 ten thousand bucks if starting from scratch. There are strict 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:53.160 rules around the gutting and transport of kangaroos. Generally they 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.880 are used for either pet food or human consumption, depending 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:02.600 on your nearest drop point. A drop permit is as 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.920 it sounds, you shoot the kangaroo and leave the carcass. 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:10.960 I've heard about these. You legally cannot utilize any part 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:17.160 of the carcass on that permit. These can be obtained 0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.480 by landowners and carried out by anyone with a gun 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:25.680 license that's approved for hunting. Every year, the same amount 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.279 of kangaroos are killed. They're either killed by a drop 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.600 permit or they're killed by a harvest permit. If you're 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.560 not using the harvest permits, they just shoot them under 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:40.480 a drop permit. The amount of harvest permits that are 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:44.560 used is proportional to the price you get per kilogram 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:49.000 of kangaroo. At the moment, it's a buck twenty per 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:53.799 kilogram of carcass weight. That market took a big hit 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.560 last year. Price wise due to Germany banning the use 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.840 of human consumption of kangaroo. That's pretty rich coming from that, 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.319 And I can only assume the price will drop again 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:08.719 with these US based bands on kangaroo leather. So what 0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:13.560 you will see in twenty twenty four, harvest permits will 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.239 go down, drop permits will go way up. The same 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.520 amount of kangaroos will hit the ground and they'll just 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.759 lay there and rot on the ground. 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:26.760 And he points out that kangaroo leather. They're not killing 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.840 kangaroos for their leather. The leather is a byproduct of 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.480 hunting the animal and consuming its meat. 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:37.640 Much like beef leather, hm, cow leather, cattle letter, whatever 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:39.320 you want to call it. You know you're not. No 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:43.240 one's raising them. I shouldn't say no. Maybe some freakish situation. 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:43.560 They are. 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.640 No one's raising them. Oh, you know, this girl I 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:48.719 went to high school with married this dude who was 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.400 from South America and he was in the cattle business. 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.200 And this is crazy. He was telling me that he 0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:02.879 buys leather for luxury automobile manufacturers and he targets leather 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.760 not from the US but from areas in South America 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.160 where they don't use barbed wire. 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:10.480 Oh huh, makes sense. 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:12.680 Makes sense. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:18.120 He's he's looking for absolutely blemish free leather for the 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.520 finest luxury cars and he needs to find it where 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:21.320 there's no barboaring. 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:22.080 That makes sense. 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:23.840 Put that podcast. 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:25.000 That's good stuff right there. 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:25.920 Just put it there. 0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:32.600 Kangaroo leather is like really really soft, right. 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.200 I think I've I've heard it's really durable, but I don't. 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:42.120 Durable and kind. I think my soccer shoes probably kangaroo 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:43.040 leather back. 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.920 In high school. You can buy like the kind of 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:48.839 back to the ball sack topic, Like you can buy 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.040 a kangaroo coin pouch, like we bought it at the 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:55.880 airport when you're coming home from Australia, like a kangaroo nutsacker. 0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:57.480 You got that tattooed. 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:03.640 That's what it's reminded me. Yeah, So because of Posh. 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:07.839 Spice, a lot more kangaroos are just gonna good work. 0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:13.000 We should like partner with some hundreds in Australians start 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:14.440 like a butcher box of sorts. 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.839 Yeah, I wish I had a whole different Like if 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.279 I could like wrap up my current line of work, 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:23.000 my new line of work would be parkas with coyote, 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:27.360 rough kangaroo, leather sneakers. Now just double down on stuff. 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:32.480 I would double down on great ideas that people are 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.399 throwing out from being dumb. 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.120 Yeah, utilize those natural materials that are going to waste. 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:40.920 Yep, there you go. 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:43.520 Ben. 0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.040 Are you are you interested in ethics? Connectquette? 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:51.319 Not really not my strong for sure. 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.839 Here's a listener. We got Chester in the rooms. We're 0:47:55.840 --> 0:48:00.200 gonna hit it. Currently listening to podcast episode four three 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.440 to one, and I had to drop an interesting, complicated 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.919 scenario that is related to the discussion the crew had 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.600 regarding the unwarranted disclosure of the status of firearms in 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.880 someone's house for the sake of guest children present in 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:17.200 the house. This guy's a very good writer. Last summer, 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.560 my girlfriend and I were on a No, he's not well. 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.120 Plus he wasn't on the house, he was. 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:22.520 In the house. 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.120 They were on a rental house tour. 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:30.719 He's back to being a good rite. 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:34.960 Last summer of my girlfriend and I were on a 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.879 rental house tour for a prospective apartment in Western New York. 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:40.840 At one point during the tour, we sat down with 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:46.000 the landlord. I should note this is a parenthetical. I 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:48.480 should note that she was a novice landlord as this 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.400 was about to be her first rental property. To review 0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.200 our responses to a tenant questionnaire, we filled out. One 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:59.160 of the questions on the questionnaire inquired about firearms ownership 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.200 and potential gun storage in the apartment. I, being an 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.680 honest person, checked yes and had to elaborate to the 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.520 landlord that I am an avid hunter in firearms enthusiasts 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:11.160 and have several firearms that I intended to keep properly 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.920 locked away in the apartment if we had the opportunity 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.400 to sign a lease. I even went so far as 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:20.759 to show the landlord my valid pistol permit. Regardless of 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:22.920 my auntswer I could tell the landlord seemed very uneasy 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.719 about firearms being stored on her property. After the tour ended, 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.560 my girlfriend got very upset with me for potentially ruining 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.200 our chances at being able to sign a lease. 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.360 Should I have lied, Yeah. 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:41.000 Dude, But he didn't know initially what this girl's reaction 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:41.640 was going to be. 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:46.200 Right, listen, listen. 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.400 If the things said do you plan on partying? What 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:50.080 are you gonna put? 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:54.879 I'd be like, yes, occasionally, I don't think so. I'm 0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:56.719 from I think the least amount of people that know 0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:58.520 that you have firearms, the better. 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.080 I would have put down. I would have put down 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:09.160 short for Nunya, which is no. 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:11.880 Mind your business? 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:17.520 Really, Yes, absolutely, yeah, even if you didn't know what, 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:21.480 like I suppose have the question in there was a 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:23.800 red flag, well it's. 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:26.399 A liability question. I would have flat outled. I would 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:27.960 have flat outlighted, and I wouldn't have viewed it as 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:28.800 a moral infraction. 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:33.600 Yeah, I mean I agree with you. 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:38.399 I agree. I probably would have done the same thing 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:42.160 as he did, later thinking I should have lied about. 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:46.680 It Chester because it's chattikit. Yeah, you get to have 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:47.560 the final say. 0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:49.160 Oh, the final say. 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:49.760 I mean. 0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:55.399 He's struggling. This is tough. 0:50:55.920 --> 0:51:01.680 I don't know, man, I it's depends how bad they 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:03.680 wanted the apartment. There's a lot of things in there 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:04.680 that ches. 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:05.880 You don't get wishy washy bro. 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.399 I probably would have done the same thing he did. 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:10.360 Do. 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:10.920 I think. 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:14.479 It's not lying. 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:22.520 It's not lying, it's deferring. It's it's not lying, it's 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:25.040 it's putting. It's it's it's uh. 0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:28.880 When someone asks you do you plan on storing something 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.120 in this place? And you tell him no, and then 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:32.480 you do it. That's a lie. 0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.640 Okay, let me put it this way. Let's say your heartboring, 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.719 that's why it's okay. Let's say you're let's okay, here's 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:44.760 let's say this. Let's say you look out the window 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:50.359 and there's a cold blooded axe murderer in your yard 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:55.759 and he knocks on the door and says, I'm I'm 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:57.600 gonna murder your wife. 0:51:58.239 --> 0:51:58.719 Where is she? 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:04.359 And you say, well, You're like, well, I can't lie. 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:06.040 She's in the closet. 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.840 But that's different, Nori. This is a one to one scenario, 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:09.920 perfect analogy. 0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:12.640 I can't tell you probably got to grab one of 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:13.400 those guns. 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:14.360 And film full of holes. 0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.360 I'd be like, I'd be like it. She's she's in 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:19.439 the bedroom right now. And if you try and take 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.439 one step in this house, I've got a shotgun sitting 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:23.960 right next to the door. We're gonna have a dog. 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:27.160 Try to think of another scenario. 0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:30.560 All right, here's I got a scenario where Chester has 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.280 to lie. Yeah. Yeah, So say you check into a hotel, 0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:37.040 you put down one guest, one room, then you meet 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:39.120 a go off tinder. I mean, obviously this doesn't apply 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:41.160 to you. You're gonna go to the front desk and 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.239 tell them you have another guest in your room. No, 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:46.440 I need to update. 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.480 Excuse me, ma'am, excuse me. I just actually do need 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.560 to add a guest to my room. And then Chester 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:55.080 has to go back to his date and be like, 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.799 the lobby's closed. You're just gonna have to go home 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.719 because I can't update my thing to say that there's 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.440 two people in this room. I'm sorry, but. 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.880 At the time that he said one person, he was 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.080 telling the truth. It's different to update. 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:15.719 Yeah. I could allow that, but I think you got 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.040 to gauge the situation because there might be cases where 0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.160 the landlord wants you to have guns in the house too. 0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:24.320 Maybe that could win you an apartment. You have to judge. 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.400 Judge lit the landlord a little bit character. Yeah, if 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:32.120 she's wearing a you know, federal shirt, Yeah, I got guns. 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:33.680 Yeah. 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:34.719 I mean he. 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:40.839 I don't even know if the if he I think 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:45.960 him lying in that case is valid. 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:49.640 Looks like you're struggling there. I think you're just. 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:54.320 Wasn't feel. 0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:57.080 That's good. 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:57.960 I mean, he didn't know. 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:02.840 The big thing here is probably know not have guns 0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:03.200 in there. 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:05.439 It's New York. 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:08.000 Give us. 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:08.880 The final answer. 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:17.120 I think if your wife really wanted that apartment and 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:23.239 you did too, and you had guns, mm hmm, then 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.640 h you could fib about it a little bit. 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:38.320 Let's say you were Harriet Tubman Apple's Taples. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:41.720 I mean, did he get the apartment? 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:43.560 I didn't read that far. 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.440 No, either way, the scenario really chapped my Oh. Sorry, 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.920 Luckily for me, we ended up living elsewhere for unrelated reasons. 0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:01.560 There you go, a little wishy washy Chester Ben. 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.360 You'll appreciate this one. This is our last news item. 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:05.640 You know, I'm ready. I'm excited. 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:14.400 A repeat violator, shed hunt violator punished crank can't spell punished? 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:17.359 Yes, Typo. 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:27.480 A Bozeman man, so hometown man convicted of illegally stashing 0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:34.600 shed antlers in Wyoming, they point out to profit by 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:39.280 selling them as dog chews. Can't set foot on federal 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:42.200 public land or hunt anywhere in the world. 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:46.160 I don't get that one. Oh, because it's federal. 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:48.720 Why the world? 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:54.040 I don't know, Yeah, federal. Oh, it's federal. 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:56.320 I didn't know that. 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.439 So there's this thing called the there's this thing that's 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.840 the It used to be the Western States Violator Compact, 0:56:04.719 --> 0:56:05.680 which now is way. 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:06.080 Beyond the way. 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:09.719 Now it's everybody. So if you lose your hunting privileges, 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.200 if you lose your hunting and fishing privilege, hunting and 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:17.440 or fishing privileges in any state, you lose them in 0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:22.520 every state that belongs to the Violator Compact and now provinces. 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:24.560 At a time, it was like a collection of Western 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:26.319 states because they would just have a problem with they'd 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:32.440 have like a repeat violator, right, and then he'd be like, oh, okay, 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:34.880 so I lost my hunting privileges in Wyoming. I'll just 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:39.200 hunt Montana and Colorado, no problem. And so all these 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.040 states started signing out. And now I think it's like, 0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.800 I know, Hawaii's not in it, Nebraska's not either, Nebraska 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.680 not in it, but forty some states are. It's forty 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:51.719 eight are in the compact, and then several provinces are 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:55.200 in the compact. So this guy was is in federal trouble. 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:58.239 But here's what he was doing. I don't know if 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:10.680 you do this, Ben, hopefully not, you won't. I love 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:12.600 how this article uses the word rat hole. 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:16.280 He was going into. 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:22.440 Into areas before they're open, so shed hunting areas before 0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:26.000 they open up, finding big piles of sheds and rat 0:57:26.040 --> 0:57:26.480 hole and. 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:27.600 I know people that do. 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.480 I've known people that have done this in their younger, 0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:34.920 more reckless days. Uh, he's just going to make a 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.000 little stashes and then wait for the season to open 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:38.400 and go up and get it. But he got caught 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.600 doing it multiple times. For the first offense, he was 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.360 ordered to pay fifteen thousand dollars in restitution to the 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:48.120 Wyoming Game and Fish Department and subject to a five 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:52.480 year worldwide band on hunting. He was also ordered to 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:54.680 not set foot for five years on the National Elk 0:57:54.760 --> 0:58:00.640 Refuge near Jackson or in Teetown or Yellowstone Parks. Says 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:04.080 the tactics were well known to investigators. Illegal shed antler 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.320 hunters tried to hide stashes of antlers ahead of the 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:09.480 season opener, then return to get them when the season opens. 0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:12.840 That's not a cash. 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:17.920 That's a onewy three year old law on the refuge. 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:22.720 Wow. Oh. 0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:26.320 He was charged both times under the federal Lacy Act. 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.200 For you folks at home, here's what the Lacy Act is. 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:37.040 The Lacy Act means that if you break a game law, 0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.040 like let's say you're in Michigan and you poach a deer. Okay, 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:46.160 you poach a buck and your tax dervices in Indiana, 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:49.120 and so you poach a buck and you drive an 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.600 hour south to bring it to your tax nermous in Indiana. 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.919 You violated Michigan's law by poaching a deer. You also 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.880 violated federal law because you committed a wild LA violation 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:03.479 across state lines. The reason they brought that into play 0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:06.880 was when they were first trying to establish game laws 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:09.200 and conservation laws, they had states that would just turn 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:12.200 a blind eye to violations. So like the plume hunters 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:15.200 in Florida who would hunt for feathers for hat adornments. 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:18.480 It was illegal, but no one cared, not no one cared, 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.840 wouldn't do anything about it. Florida just lacks about enforcement. 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:23.960 So then they'd say, Okay, we're gonna make a thing 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:26.680 that if you're a plume hunter and you shoot an 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:29.520 egret in Florida and then bring those feathers to sell 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:31.360 them to a dealer in New York, I don't care 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:33.560 what the state says. You violated a federal law now 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:38.200 and you could really go after the poachers. And that 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.040 was like that was a nineteen hundred. That was like 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:45.560 very important to getting uncontrolled market hunting under control with 0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.960 the LASIAC. So this guy had a LASIAC violation because 0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:51.920 she was bringing those antlers across state lines into Montana 0:59:52.640 --> 0:59:54.400 and then it was also selling them online. 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:57.720 Yeah, he's a dog chewed dealer, I understand. That's the 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:00.880 way I understand it. So he was going out and 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.840 collecting inventory, and I thought I read somewhere that he 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:06.040 was cutting him up and like bringing him out in 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.560 horse saddle bags. 1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:08.360 Mmm. 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:10.520 But I'm not sure if he's actually cutting him up 1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:12.960 out on the the ranger if that was just the 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:14.360 way they made a sound in the article. 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:19.160 But Ben, you've probably seen some crazy stuff shed hunting, 1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.400 because I feel like shed hunters that I know that 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:25.640 are real serious about it have seen some pretty wild 1:00:27.120 --> 1:00:27.720 stuff like that. 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.320 Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I've seen. Well, I just seen 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:32.640 a lot of people do shady stuff like that. I 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:35.360 mean that happens a lot. Like the stashing is is 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:39.640 very normal. Like I found stash piles before more people 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:42.240 stashed them during close times. You know, you walk up 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:44.120 and them be five or six and one pile or something. 1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:47.080 But and then what do you do take them? I'm 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.040 not going to leave them, Oh, because you're there doing staff. 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:53.360 I'm legally yeah, I'll look around like I'm not trying 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.000 to rob him from a guy who maybe just like 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:56.560 made a little pile and went to go look for 1:00:56.640 --> 1:00:59.360 more that day. You know, but if they're clearly there 1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:01.600 from before the season, it's really only happened one time 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:03.520 like that where they were clearly there from before the 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:04.960 season and I just took them. 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:12.040 We had it was a tragedy where not too far 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:16.440 from here, a guy was killed shed hunting, killed by 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:20.000 grizzly last spring shed hunting, and when they did the investigation, 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:23.880 he had done one of those. Yeah, he had a 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:26.480 little stash of antlers he found, left him on a ridge, 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:28.760 went down into a bowl and got killed by a bear. 1:01:28.920 --> 1:01:31.080 But yeah, so he had his little micro stash there. 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:33.560 Yeah. It's pretty common, you know, if you get into 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:35.560 a good handful of antlers to just leave him somewhere 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:37.320 so you can keep covering miles and find it more 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:40.400 and then you just pull him out later, as long 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:41.320 as it's all legal. You know. 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:53.000 How did you get into the custodian business. 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:57.520 I kind of fell into it. It was I was 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.120 doing I was going to school to be a paramedic. 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:03.320 I was going to be a paramedic firefighter, and I 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:06.360 had a year in between finishing my EMT one and 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.640 two and then starting a paramedic program. I had to 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:10.680 like wait a year for the course to come up again. 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:14.080 And so I moved to the city where the school 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:15.600 was where I was going to go to paramedic school, 1:02:15.600 --> 1:02:17.240 and just was looking for kind of a job in 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:19.320 the meantime. And a buddy of mine was the head 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:21.760 custodian at a local high school, offered me a job 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:23.480 and so I started working there for him, just kind 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:26.960 of waiting for that course. And then I just decided 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:29.880 I didn't want to be a paramedic, so I started 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:33.080 just working as a janitor or whatever, and it gave 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:34.520 me a lot of free time on my phone. I 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.840 started building this brand while I was working on the clock. 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:40.560 So thanks to the Washington County School District sponsoring me 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:42.640 in a way. Yeah, and then I kind of just 1:02:42.720 --> 1:02:43.800 transformed into this from that. 1:02:44.000 --> 1:02:46.080 But were you a daytime or nighttime custodian? 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:47.800 I was a swing shift custodian, so I'd go in 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:50.720 like two PM. I'd be there for all the evening activities, 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:53.240 football games, whatever was going on at the school, and 1:02:53.320 --> 1:02:55.080 I'd have like a cleaning list and I would get 1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:56.080 off like at ten pm. 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:57.439 Were you popular with the kids? 1:02:57.920 --> 1:02:59.520 I mean I didn't really see them too much because 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:02.160 they were all even school when I got there, But 1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:04.600 like I had some Yeah, definitely some buddies and stuff 1:03:04.680 --> 1:03:07.080 like there're some some kids that were fun to be around, 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:08.680 and there was a lot of obnoxious ones too. 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.280 When you started getting really into shed hunting, well, when 1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:13.680 did you get really into shed hunting? 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:18.919 I got like crazy into it maybe twelve thirteen years ago, 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.320 like right before I got married is when I got 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.080 really really into it. But I've been doing it off 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:25.200 and on since I was like fourteen fifteen years old. 1:03:27.160 --> 1:03:30.240 Why, I mean, do you like them better? Like, do 1:03:30.280 --> 1:03:32.040 you like them better hooked to the skull or better 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:32.800 off the skull? 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:37.280 It's a toss up. It's tough. There's definitely been times 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:40.880 like when I was more into shed hunting than hunting, Like. 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:42.680 Would you ever be like, oh, I could shoot that 1:03:42.720 --> 1:03:44.600 big buck, but I might wait because I could probably 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:46.320 pick his antlers up after they fell off. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:49.600 No, just because the probability of getting them so low. 1:03:49.800 --> 1:03:52.160 But I mean there's times where like you see a 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:53.760 big bull get killed and you're like, damn, I wish 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:57.320 I could have found his sheds instead of seeing him die. 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:59.120 You know really, yeah for sure. 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:01.520 And then when you got into it, did you got 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:02.920 into it because the market. 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:05.680 Part of it, Yeah, for sure, Like just the ability 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:08.320 to be able to pay yourself back, you know, pay 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.720 yourself a little bit of fuel money for going out 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:13.120 and finding Antler's. And then I really got into it 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:15.400 because my brother in laws were just crazy about it 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:17.600 since they were I mean since the early nineties, they've 1:04:17.640 --> 1:04:20.480 been just wild about it. And where'd you grow up? 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:24.040 Southern Utah? What town Cedar City is where I was born, 1:04:24.080 --> 1:04:27.120 and then I live in Laverkin now and they were 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:30.600 making bank. I mean, they had a lot of Antler 1:04:30.680 --> 1:04:32.720 back then, but the prices weren't what they are now. 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:36.880 So I mean it's kind of the same. Like now 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:38.640 you can find less antler and make the same amount 1:04:38.680 --> 1:04:39.160 of money. 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:40.800 But whatder prices right now? 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:43.200 I think the last I checked on Elk, it's like 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:45.720 seventeen to eighteen dollars a pound for a brown Elk Antler, 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.600 and then your hard white will be anywhere like ten 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:51.680 to eleven. And then chalk, Like maybe chalk kind of 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:54.240 has the most variation. If your antler buyer has a 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.360 good market for chalk, you could get four four dollars 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:58.400 a pound maybe out of your chalk antler, and if 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:00.000 he doesn't, maybe a dollar two dollars. 1:05:00.760 --> 1:05:02.400 Do those prices fluctuate much? 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.360 They do? Yeah, Like it seems lately they've just gone 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:07.760 up a dollar or two every year. Oh, and they 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:11.360 kind of start off like if a buyer gets desperate 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:13.200 to fill an order towards the end of the buying season, 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:15.760 he might bump his prices up. So sometimes you can 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:17.720 do better by hanging on a little bit, yeah, and 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:19.880 get maybe another fifty cents a dollar a pound. 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.800 Do you know what kind of profit these buyers are making. 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:27.040 I don't know. I was a buyer for like maybe 1:05:27.120 --> 1:05:30.200 a year or two, and I was aimed for a 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:33.000 dollar a pound. But I was middleman of middlemen, you know, 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:36.640 Like I was basically just using social media to find 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:40.160 the seller buying antler and selling them to another antler buyer. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:41.800 And I just tried to make a dollar a pound 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.280 and buy as many as I could, gotcha. So I 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:45.840 think like on the top end they're trying to make 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:49.480 a few dollars a pound per antler, like per Yeah. 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.760 How many layers do you think there are in this? 1:05:53.200 --> 1:05:54.320 Like seventeen middlemen? 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:58.680 It depends. When I was buying, the buyer that I 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.520 would sell to had a buyer that he sold to, 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.200 and he was an exporter. At that time, most the 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:08.760 antler was going overseas for medicinal type stuff, and I know, 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:12.440 I mean there had to be me than him, then 1:06:12.440 --> 1:06:14.640 the exporter, and then whoever he was selling to in China. 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:17.520 So I mean it could be five or six layers 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.120 to it, but a lot of it now is more. 1:06:20.560 --> 1:06:23.080 I mean it can be direct consumer because a lot 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:24.840 of people who find them cut them and sell them 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:27.439 for dog choice, or they sell them to a buyer 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:29.520 who cuts them and sells them for dog chuice. So 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:32.440 it's kind of a lessened the the tears of the 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:33.160 market a little bit. 1:06:33.960 --> 1:06:39.520 What's been your thoughts on, Well, I'll ask you this 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:42.240 not then we'll go back to we'll go back to earlier. 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:47.080 What's been your thoughts on sort of what I gathered 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:55.000 from my perspective to be increasing sensitivity around shed hunting 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:59.200 activities and how they affect animals at their most vulnerable 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:00.439 state in the winter. 1:07:00.920 --> 1:07:03.720 I think it's I feel like it's overblown, like from 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:07.560 what I can see in my experience. Either I'm fully 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:10.680 biased one hundred percent admit that I want I want 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:12.040 to shed hunt and I want to shed hut more. 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:14.120 I hate shed seasons. I've been an opponent to shed 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:15.560 seasons almost across the board. 1:07:15.640 --> 1:07:18.840 Have you yeah, walt me through it? Want me through first. 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:21.760 I want to see how good you can do. Articulate 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:23.920 for me why someone would want shed seasons. 1:07:24.160 --> 1:07:27.520 So, the theory behind most shed seasons is animals are depleted. 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:31.560 You know, shed hunters on the landscape, displaces the wildlife, 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:34.880 further depletes them and causes an increase in winter kill. 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:37.400 That's the idea, and that sounds, you know, pretty solid, 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:40.160 common sense, makes it makes sense to most people, and 1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:42.920 that's why these seasons continually get a lot of support. 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:49.200 In my experience, I don't think that's necessarily true. I 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:51.840 guess it has to put like an asterisk there, because 1:07:51.840 --> 1:07:54.680 in certain cases it can be true, like this winner 1:07:54.760 --> 1:07:56.840 with the snow levels, how they have been Like I 1:07:56.920 --> 1:07:59.720 actually ended up supporting the seasons that were put in place, 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:03.800 like emergency closures in Houtah this year, a more surgical approach. Yeah, 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:06.600 That's always been my thing is I want them to 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:09.400 actually do the research and decide which areas need to 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.160 be open and which areas need to be closed, instead 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:13.800 of just saying a mass oh, okay, stays closed. Because 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:15.520 I live in the desert, I live into the south 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.400 end of the state, our deer don't really win or kill. 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:21.480 Our elk don't winter kill, they never will, rarely get snowbound. 1:08:21.800 --> 1:08:23.439 We don't deal with the same issues as the rest 1:08:23.439 --> 1:08:25.519 of the state, but we always get shut down. And 1:08:25.560 --> 1:08:27.400 I understand their logic, like they're trying to keep the 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:30.280 northern people from flooding us out in the south, So 1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:34.240 it's not no season, isn't the best solution. I don't 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:36.880 like the full closure either, so I don't know. I 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:38.880 guess I'm not really making a great argument for my case. 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:42.200 But my experience is that I can shed hunt without 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:45.000 disturbing animals for the most part, like you are going 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:46.880 to bump them. But I think that they're a lot 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:49.160 tougher than people give them credit for. And I think 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:51.120 displacing an elk, like if it stands up out of 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.240 its bed and identifies you as a threat or not 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:56.559 a threat. It stands around for a minute, maybe runs 1:08:56.640 --> 1:08:58.800 up the hill, and beds back down. I don't see 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:01.479 that actually causing much harm. I've never seen any data 1:09:01.520 --> 1:09:02.519 to support that it does. 1:09:03.560 --> 1:09:06.800 So it does, Yeah, I could see that it might 1:09:06.880 --> 1:09:10.400 be theoretical. But there's an issue we've been covering a 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:17.439 lot is the trail cam issue. Okay, And in talking 1:09:17.479 --> 1:09:23.680 about Arizona, Utah, Kansas public lands banning trail cams, we've 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:26.000 gotten into like what are the different motivations for it, 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:29.519 where some people that are some people that don't like 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:33.800 trail cams are coming and saying violation of privacy. There's 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:38.880 an assumed privacy on public lands. Yeah, and it's a 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:41.600 violation of privacy. There's people that come and make this 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.599 argument like, oh, it's not fair. It's like the whole 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:46.120 fair chase thing about trail camps. 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:47.280 But we had. 1:09:48.840 --> 1:09:51.760 Frequent guests on the show, Jim Hefflefinger, who's a biologist 1:09:51.800 --> 1:09:54.599 in Arizona. He sent us some materials on the trail 1:09:54.640 --> 1:09:58.840 cam question in Arizona, and there's a wrinkle to it 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:00.200 that I hadn't considered. 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:01.920 Well. 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:03.599 One he sends us a picture of a water hole 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.640 in Arizona that has fifteen cameras on it. Yeah, on 1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:11.600 the strip. I'm sure. A concern that was articulated in 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:14.600 the documents that he sent was something I hadn't thought of. 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:18.519 It was if you put fifteen cameras. First off, you 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:23.320 have limited water, You're in a desert ecosystem, you have 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:32.679 limited water. You have fifteen people monitoring pulling cards on cameras. 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:35.080 Yeah, and I hadn't thought about. 1:10:35.240 --> 1:10:39.960 He's like, the amount of disturbance that is happening of 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:43.560 a large group of animals, that's their place to go 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:45.240 get water, The amount of time they need to be 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:48.080 able to spend there getting cool, getting water, and the 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:52.360 constant disturbance of people coming to check the cameras at 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:57.840 the water is one articulation of what is the issue. 1:10:57.880 --> 1:11:00.120 So that's not even a thing I had considered. I've 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:03.240 never considered wildlife disturbance. But I don't know that someone 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:07.080 would go and measure. I suppose you could go and 1:11:07.200 --> 1:11:08.240 measure the cost of that. 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.320 Yeah, it'd be a tough thing to actually determine, because 1:11:11.439 --> 1:11:12.680 I mean, how do you look at the health of 1:11:12.720 --> 1:11:15.000 the animal versus the pressure and determine that that was 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.240 the cause. But I think, like you're saying, with the 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.679 trail cameras, I think that's a great argument for cell cameras, 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:22.080 you know, is to those people don't have to go 1:11:22.120 --> 1:11:24.719 out there and actually check that, yeah, that water source. 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:28.479 But yeah, it is a concern, especially out there in 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:31.519 Arizona where there's that many cameras while the hunts are going. 1:11:31.720 --> 1:11:33.679 When it was allowed to run cameras during the hunts, 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:36.960 those outfitters and guys were checking those cameras daily to 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.720 see what had come in during the night. So yeah, 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:42.519 there's a legitimate argument there. When you. 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:47.439 So when you started Shed Crazy, like just like a 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:52.080 sort of brand company whatever around shed hunting, do you 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:55.679 imagine it being do you imagine yourself being mainly into 1:11:55.720 --> 1:12:00.559 shed hunting as a because they're cool to look at, 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:03.439 or because you because you can make money messing around outside, 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:04.400 which is everybody's dream. 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:07.240 Yeah, I always it was always kind of both to me. 1:12:07.439 --> 1:12:10.240 Like I love antlers, I still like go crazy. That 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:13.080 sounds stupid. I love antlers. You go crazy? Yeah, I 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:16.880 go crazy for ant But yeah I still am. I 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:19.320 love to find big antlers. I love the idea that 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:22.479 you can go to these premium units and find you know, 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:25.000 giant bowls and Giant Bucks without having to get a 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:27.800 tag there. You get experience those places. But yeah, there 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:30.040 was always a financial element to it. For me in 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:32.040 the beginning. It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to grow 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:34.240 this brand so that I don't have to work anymore. 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:36.800 It was just everybody on Instagram seemed like they were 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:40.479 starting pages that were like, you know whatever, big book 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:43.240 Killer Outdoors, and it was a thing to do. And 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:44.880 so I'm like, oh, I want to check that page 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:49.559 probably exists, and I'm like, I'll start on Instagram about 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.439 my passion on the side, which is you know, finding 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:54.280 sheds and finding antlers. And I lived right down the 1:12:54.320 --> 1:12:56.840 road from Newly Crazy. I'm like, oh, shake Crazy sounds 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:59.880 pretty cool. So just ripped them off kind. 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:11.479 Of How how would you rate? Uh? How would you? Okay, 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:14.760 I think that that, uh, lion hunting. 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:17.599 Is really really hard. 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:21.640 Hound hunting for line, especially dry ground lion hunting. I 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:24.920 think it's like very very very hard, like maybe one 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:28.439 of the most challenging outdoor pursuits. Okay, I think that 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:32.639 land I think that like uh. 1:13:34.240 --> 1:13:38.160 Trapping uh fox and coyotes is hard. 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:43.560 Technically difficult okay, and then you can like kind of 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:47.360 rank all these things out right, all these different outdoor pursuits. 1:13:48.680 --> 1:13:50.960 Do you like, do you think that there's how much 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.960 uh skill? Do you feel like, how much skill are 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:57.639 you utilizing as a shed hunter? 1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:00.360 This? I don't know that I would have even call 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:02.640 it skill as much as like determination. 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:06.680 It's like but think about it fer me though, And 1:14:06.720 --> 1:14:09.840 I'm wanna put words your mouth, but you have to 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:11.679 know where they are, you know what I mean? Yeah, 1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:15.000 where are they standing the day when their antler falls off? 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.040 Yeah? You do put a ton of time into the 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:22.480 online maps and to understanding like the feed that they're utilizing, 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:26.479 migration routes, where they are when the snow melts, where 1:14:26.479 --> 1:14:29.320 they're able to travel to because of snow, what the 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:31.920 wind's doing, where they're able to find places to get 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:34.400 out of the wind. You look at stuff like where 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:36.960 the green up happened first, what kind of grass they 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:39.280 were hitting early spring. So there is like a large 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:41.560 barrier to being able to do it successfully is and 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:44.120 you have to learn all that stuff. But then like 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:47.280 there's a lot of places too, like even in Arizona, 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:49.080 where there's just big seed or flats that have elk 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:51.160 antlers in them, and it's just those places you walk 1:14:51.240 --> 1:14:54.439 enough miles, you're gonna find sheds. So it's like anything. 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:56.639 It's like saying, you know, ranking it next to mule 1:14:56.680 --> 1:14:59.240 deer hunting or whatever. To kill a big mule deer, 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:02.160 a big mature buck is hard to kill any mule 1:15:02.240 --> 1:15:04.720 deer is not that difficult. But shed hunting is the 1:15:04.760 --> 1:15:06.679 same way. If you want to find you know, smaller 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:09.559 antlers or a lot of antlers, it's not terribly difficult 1:15:09.640 --> 1:15:11.400 to just find wintering ground where there's a lot of 1:15:11.400 --> 1:15:13.280 animals hanging out and you'll be able to find a few. 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:16.639 If you want to target big bulls on premium units 1:15:16.680 --> 1:15:19.120 that a lot of other people are also targeting, or 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:21.879 big mule deer, then you do have to do your homework. 1:15:22.120 --> 1:15:26.000 So it's tough for me. I think finding a big 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:30.760 set of sheds is harder than like killing a bowl 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:34.080 on a unit in Utah. Really for me, it's hasn't been. 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:36.040 I've killed a lot more elk than I have found 1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:37.280 like giant sets of sheds. 1:15:38.360 --> 1:15:40.680 So right now, let's say you go to take a 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:43.519 premium unit like name. It doesn't need to be one 1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:45.920 of your favorite ones, but name like what you'd regard 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:50.160 as a great shed hunting state, locality, whatever however you 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:50.680 want to put it. 1:15:51.240 --> 1:15:53.800 Oh, I mean Arizona is a good state, and there's 1:15:53.920 --> 1:15:55.480 a bunch of good units in Arizona. 1:15:56.360 --> 1:15:59.479 What percent of the antlers get picked up? Let's say 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:02.160 you took a unit, doesn't need to be a specific one, 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:05.960 take taking your mind, a great shed antler unit, a 1:16:06.120 --> 1:16:12.040 destination shed antler unit. Yeah, uh, what percent of the 1:16:12.040 --> 1:16:15.760 antlers to hit the ground? I think you can get 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:17.800 as high as fifty percent. 1:16:18.760 --> 1:16:21.000 You can probably kind of gauge it on how many 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:23.920 like white and chalks you're finding. 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:29.280 With the popularity of it chalks, it's like, oh, someone 1:16:29.360 --> 1:16:30.680 didn't find that one, right. 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:32.560 That's the coolest thing about finding the chalk is that 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:34.400 people missed it for multiple years, you know, and you 1:16:34.560 --> 1:16:37.040 just hit the right line to pick it up. But 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:39.880 I think, yeah, I think in very popular units they 1:16:39.960 --> 1:16:44.960 get half and maybe more just judging them. I mean 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:46.760 there are places now where I shed hint where you're 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:50.400 pretty much only finding browns, so that most of them, 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:51.519 most of them get picked up. 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:53.640 Did you know you're sitting across the table from an 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:55.719 exceptional shed hunter I didn't. 1:16:56.840 --> 1:16:59.800 I don't even try, so Wow, He's drawn to him 1:16:59.880 --> 1:17:05.040 like like a magnet, like like like a fly to excrement. 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:07.720 He is kind of like that one we've found in 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:10.920 uh uh, Michigan, Michigan. 1:17:11.080 --> 1:17:15.080 Yeah, seth, he found an antler hanging from a grape 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:21.000 vine mich ducked under it so as to not poked 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:21.439 my eye out. 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:25.080 I found a couple of kansas on this line. 1:17:25.120 --> 1:17:27.760 You could be walking five people walking in the line, says, 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:29.639 taking up the rear, and also you looking he's holding. 1:17:29.439 --> 1:17:33.519 Antler, No kidding, Well, the shed eye is a real thing, Like. 1:17:33.680 --> 1:17:35.720 He's got a shed eye. Yeah, well, I think it's 1:17:35.760 --> 1:17:36.200 like a Jedi. 1:17:36.320 --> 1:17:39.880 But I'm always like when i'm I think I'm a 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:43.719 bad hunter because I'm always looking at the ground because 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:45.640 you always find cool ship laying on the ground, like 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:48.360 arrowheads and sheds and cool rock. 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:50.280 I can't stop. I got I want you to finish, 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:52.680 but I'm so hung up on can we let's make 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:55.960 Can we have a hunter make a shirt that says 1:17:56.080 --> 1:17:57.360 of shedd eye Warrior. 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:04.320 It's like in my language, every think should no, But 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:08.800 I think I follow a dude that's count On instagramad. 1:18:09.040 --> 1:18:11.519 Warriors, so like a Jedi. 1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:14.120 It looked like Luke Skywalker holding the antler. 1:18:14.600 --> 1:18:16.960 I remember, I don't know. I think maybe I've seen 1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:17.360 it out. 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:21.160 There TYPD Warrior where it's Luke Skywalker, you know, like 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.759 you know how like uh, it's like he's got laying everybody, 1:18:25.120 --> 1:18:26.760 he's kind of on the top and he's holding that 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:28.040 lightsaber up in the sky. 1:18:28.200 --> 1:18:30.559 Yeah he could be holding, but he's holding the antler. 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:32.639 I like that return of the shed Eye. 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:35.200 When you find him. 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:40.880 Let's do this, but don't ask any freaking lawyers about it. 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:47.439 Oh no, there's no Yeah, yeah, but I google it. 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:49.640 It might just be like a user name for for 1:18:49.760 --> 1:18:50.679 somebody on Instagram. 1:18:50.880 --> 1:18:52.120 Go straight to Instagram. 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:57.320 But he's like not, I think we're still good. 1:18:57.360 --> 1:18:59.840 I think we are at people. 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:04.120 Oh shut eye master, Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what He's got. 1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:07.479 Pictures of his girlfriend, so he doesn't care that much, 1:19:09.880 --> 1:19:15.439 committed at all. No, he's she dedicated because he does 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:16.920 a lot of hunting and stuff too. 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:19.960 He's gonna be stuffed. 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:24.720 By shed crazy. I think I follow him. 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:26.600 Yeah all right, never mind, he already came up with it. 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:32.200 It's okay, Yeah, this was completely and he doesn't have 1:19:32.280 --> 1:19:32.639 a shirt. 1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:35.120 Maybe we do a deal where he gets a buck 1:19:35.160 --> 1:19:35.800 off every shirt. 1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:38.080 Say I said it, I want the buck off everything. 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:39.280 You didn't say it like Jedi. 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:41.479 You said it like a said shde but you meant 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:42.040 it like Jedi. 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:44.160 If I say that, I get the dollar a shirt, 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:47.880 damn it. No, you can just do it. That's all right, 1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:49.400 you can have it. That one's free. I'll have some 1:19:49.520 --> 1:19:51.559 other good ideas in this podcast I have to charge. 1:19:52.120 --> 1:19:55.080 Yeah, yeah, I feel now like we can't do it 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:56.080 because this guy already came. 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:57.759 Up with him. But does he have like a logo 1:19:57.960 --> 1:20:01.519 or it's called the Shaddye Master. Come on, it's a 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.760 good name, right, yeah, but there's nothing that has to 1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:08.200 do with like spin offs from stars Horses. 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.680 The whole name is a spinoff from star Wars. After 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:16.439 this podcast, Jettikut question for you on the right, dar Chester. 1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:20.880 I'm thinking about stealing someone's idea. 1:20:21.400 --> 1:20:22.840 And making didn't steal it. 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:26.360 You didn't know about it, Okay, and we have I can. 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:29.800 Tell you right now this podcast, we definitely kind of 1:20:29.840 --> 1:20:32.720 came up with this idea ourselves, not knowing about this guy. 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:34.559 We should probably reach out to him. 1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:38.400 Maybe maybe it's in the public domains. Go back and 1:20:38.439 --> 1:20:39.839 see how long it's been on Instagram. 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:42.320 Yeah, I mean if he has, it's good. I mean, 1:20:42.400 --> 1:20:47.240 if there is not a T shirt out there, SHEDI master. 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:49.160 He invented shed Sorry Chester, gohead. 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:51.800 If there's not a T shirt out there with a 1:20:51.840 --> 1:20:54.480 guy that looks like a Jedi holding up a shed. 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:57.439 Yeah, he's got none of that. 1:20:57.520 --> 1:20:58.720 We should be able to do it. 1:20:58.880 --> 1:20:59.679 I think it's fair play. 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:06.200 The jury says, yes, yes. 1:21:08.120 --> 1:21:10.720 Well, because I feel bad now, please. 1:21:13.000 --> 1:21:15.840 Collab. I might have to call the shedde I asked 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:18.200 her shoot him an Instagram message. 1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:26.240 Heads up, yeah, because here's the deal though, too, you 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:31.680 said shedd I like game I shd I. When you 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:36.880 said shaddy, did you were you thinking about how it 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:40.040 sounds like Jedi or did you just mean a good 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:41.720 game I shed eye. 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:44.080 It's both right. We called the shed Ie. We've called 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:45.680 it the shed I forever. But I mean it's not 1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:48.719 necessarily referencing Star Wars, so it wasn't like a play 1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:52.040 on jet. I didn't like envision, you know, Seth fully 1:21:52.200 --> 1:21:53.679 decked out in Star Wars regal. 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:56.080 Wait are you saying CHEDI or. 1:21:59.320 --> 1:21:59.439 Too? 1:21:59.520 --> 1:21:59.880 That's good? 1:22:00.640 --> 1:22:01.320 Let me see. 1:22:02.680 --> 1:22:04.760 When you click on it says page not found. But 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:07.360 someone made a shed Eye Master t shirt before. 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:12.479 What's the site? Well, no, it's a cowboy wielding of antler. 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:16.600 Yeah, but I mean, well. 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:17.280 It's close enough. 1:22:17.720 --> 1:22:23.160 Don't talk to any lawyers, Karin. Time to get a 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:25.640 good idea, to go to a lawyer, they're gonna be like, well, 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:26.760 I recommend against it. 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:29.080 I got let's just wait for the cease and assists. 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:31.759 It's like when has to play a song on the podcast, like, well. 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:33.439 Let's go check with the lawyer. 1:22:33.479 --> 1:22:35.120 We'll just never mind. Let's just not do it. Happen 1:22:35.439 --> 1:22:36.439 you're check with the lawyers. 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:38.080 Don't do it because they're gonna tell you no. 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:41.479 Every good idea that you think you have. Nowadays, it's 1:22:41.640 --> 1:22:44.120 really hard to find somebody. I've got a real good 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:45.519 idea that I thought of the other day. 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:47.720 Don't say it chets and we'll steal it. 1:22:48.840 --> 1:22:50.680 But I think it would be I don't think I 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:52.400 could do it unless it was with you guys. 1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:56.920 Tell me later. It'd be a conflicting. 1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:00.840 Why did shed Crazy become a humor site. It's like 1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:01.639 a comedy site. 1:23:02.040 --> 1:23:03.760 Yeah, funny, thank you. 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:05.200 That's why I wanted to have you on because I 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:06.479 always get like a mega chuckle. 1:23:06.600 --> 1:23:10.120 Oh good. Yeah, it was really like kind of my 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:14.360 wife's doing. So she's funny, No, she's not. I mean 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:16.840 she's not going to listen to this, so it doesn't matter. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:18.360 She's not gonna listen. 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:20.280 Yeah, she doesn't care what you do. No, really, she 1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:22.120 didn't even know where She texted me before, like where 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:22.639 are you again? 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:23.640 You know? 1:23:23.800 --> 1:23:27.840 But no, she is actually pretty funny. But I kind 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:29.800 of like when I started the page, I thought people 1:23:29.840 --> 1:23:32.160 wanted like badass hunting content, you know, So I was 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:33.960 trying to go down the road of like, oh, cool 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:37.439 guy stuff. Yeah, and like she would look at my Instagram, 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:39.280 She's like this is like not even close to who 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:40.720 you are, Like why do you pretend to be like 1:23:40.760 --> 1:23:44.080 a tough guy on the internet? And so I started thinking. 1:23:43.880 --> 1:23:46.160 About it, and did you have like kiss makeup? 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:46.400 Oh? 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:48.479 I mean it wasn't that tough. Like I didn't paint 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:50.080 my face or go to the gym or anything like that. 1:23:50.240 --> 1:23:53.519 But so you didn't get any kind of any kind 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:54.440 of injections. 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:57.640 No, I mean nothing, maybe minor like light drugs. But 1:23:59.400 --> 1:24:01.800 so she I used to send her stupid videos like 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:03.800 when I was out hiking I just make dumb videos 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:05.479 and send them to her, and she was just laugh 1:24:05.520 --> 1:24:06.720 at them, and she's like, why don't wy don't you 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:08.439 post these, Like why don't you show people that, like 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:11.640 you have a good sense of humor. So randomly I 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:14.439 just started posting just stupid videos about like little Debbie 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:17.479 snack cakes and energy drinks and whatever else, and they 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:19.559 started doing way better than any of the shed stuff 1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:20.000 I was doing. 1:24:20.080 --> 1:24:21.960 So I just started rolling with that. 1:24:23.600 --> 1:24:24.519 Kind of see what sticks. 1:24:24.560 --> 1:24:28.000 You know, there's the one you did. It was a 1:24:28.040 --> 1:24:32.280 while ago, but you did one about it was like 1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:36.080 you talking like when someone asked you where you killed 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:37.920 a buck or something like that. Yeah, it was like 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:41.439 just the most like OFU skating answer. 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:46.400 Yeah. I think it's that Napoleon Dynamite clip the guy 1:24:46.520 --> 1:24:50.240 talking about finding narrowheads. But yeah, I like that stuff. 1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:52.719 Man to me, like, I want hunting to be like fun. 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:55.679 I like, the whole badass mentality thing is so old 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:57.080 and it's so played out and you have to like 1:24:57.520 --> 1:24:59.519 post a reel with like ass rock music in the 1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:02.479 background and then like make yourself look cool. I hate 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:02.960 that stuff. 1:25:03.160 --> 1:25:04.759 I did one of those fine. 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:09.360 I mean, yeah, Jess was legitimately tough though. Yeah, obviously 1:25:09.760 --> 1:25:14.040 tattoos and everything. His nickname at work is the muscle Hamster. 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:18.920 I could see it. I could see it. Oh he 1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:21.280 beat your ass. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure you would 1:25:22.400 --> 1:25:30.600 not shed though, beat you like a. 1:25:32.880 --> 1:25:33.120 God. 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:38.680 So then you started doing that, But like, how do you, uh, 1:25:40.240 --> 1:25:43.599 you quit your job? Yeah, but it wasn't you didn't 1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:45.760 quit your job because you're making so much money selling 1:25:45.800 --> 1:25:46.960 antlers or was it? 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:49.400 Well that was part of it, Like you don't make 1:25:49.439 --> 1:25:53.439 that much as a custodian, Like news flash, you just don't. 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:56.760 So like it's you don't have leverage, right, Yeah, it 1:25:56.920 --> 1:26:00.240 wasn't that hard to replace my income, So I wasn't 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:02.280 earning a terribly like a large amount of money. 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:03.160 We go to college. 1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:05.880 I just my EMT stuff is all I did after 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:10.599 high school. But we kind of were in a place financially, 1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:12.920 like we got totally out of debt. We just decided that, 1:26:13.040 --> 1:26:15.760 like we were going to do that before we kind 1:26:15.800 --> 1:26:17.320 of did it so I could go to paramedic school, 1:26:18.320 --> 1:26:20.200 sold our house and sold all our stuff and got 1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:21.960 to where we had zero debt and we really needed 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:24.280 like very little money to live on every month so you. 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:26.519 Were living in a house you bought and then sold 1:26:26.560 --> 1:26:27.080 it to rent. 1:26:27.320 --> 1:26:28.720 Yeah, well that's a crazy move. 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:29.479 No one does that move. 1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:32.200 Yeah, it's like not good. It's not a good move usually, 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:35.760 like even in our circumstancedic. Well, I just have like 1:26:35.880 --> 1:26:37.720 I hate debt. I hate being saddled by debt. It 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:39.479 makes me feel like I can't do what I want 1:26:39.520 --> 1:26:41.519 to do. So I just got rid of the house 1:26:41.560 --> 1:26:43.519 and the cars and everything. And we had a couple 1:26:43.640 --> 1:26:45.519 hundred thousand in debt, and we knocked it out in 1:26:45.640 --> 1:26:49.200 like six months and sold what we needed to, and 1:26:49.240 --> 1:26:51.559 then I started picking up antlers to get out of debt, 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:53.120 like a lot of it. I would be like, oh, 1:26:53.120 --> 1:26:54.679 if I can go find five or six elk shed, 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:56.400 that's five or six hundred bucks I can pay off 1:26:56.920 --> 1:26:59.519 on just like stupid credit cards and stuff that we had. 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:01.840 So we knocked all that out. 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:03.919 Oh really, do you sell everything? 1:27:04.120 --> 1:27:04.280 Ben? 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:07.920 Like yeah, like ninety nine percent. 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:10.439 Probably you got a big pile of weird shit you found. 1:27:10.760 --> 1:27:13.080 I got a decent like a storage locker full of 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:17.240 just like unique or big stuff. M Yeah, I got 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:18.240 some some crazy stuff. 1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.640 It's almost like a little savings account kind of like 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:22.200 times get tough if you just sell this. 1:27:22.479 --> 1:27:24.720 Yeah, yeah, I've kind of been through some tough times though, 1:27:24.760 --> 1:27:28.360 so most of it's kind of got cold off to 1:27:28.880 --> 1:27:31.680 gauge how much I'm attached to any specific antler a 1:27:31.760 --> 1:27:32.280 few times. 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:36.800 But so when you were so how much? Uh get 1:27:36.880 --> 1:27:38.439 what's your average antler weight? 1:27:39.439 --> 1:27:41.160 Like for el No? No, no, I ever, what what's 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:44.360 a big elk antler? Way? Ten pounds? It's a big antler? 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:47.720 Okay, we had a guy talking and then we had 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:49.120 a guy talk about like he must have been talking 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:51.320 about like an extraordinary one because we had a guy. 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:53.639 Was he saying like a twenty pound antler or something 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:53.800 like that? 1:27:53.840 --> 1:27:56.280 I mean, that's just an insane that's right, top zero 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:59.519 zero zero point one percent. Like the biggest free range 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:01.800 elk shed we've ever held is a set that my 1:28:01.960 --> 1:28:04.439 uncle found and the heavy side of that bowl weighs 1:28:04.479 --> 1:28:06.920 seventeen and seventeen pounds six ounces. 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:09.920 But that's a four hundred plus inch four Yeah. 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:12.360 Four hundred and nine inch set of sheds. Got ya? 1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:18.639 So an absolute stomper trophy bowl by anyone's standard. Yeah, 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:26.000 sixty thousand dollars Southwest Reservation Hunt Bowl. Yeah, we'll throw 1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:27.120 a seventeen pound anler. 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.720 Yeah, but not always because I found one of my 1:28:30.760 --> 1:28:33.000 biggest single elk sheds is off of a three hundred 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:35.280 and probably eighty inch bowl and it's a six and 1:28:35.280 --> 1:28:39.599 a half pound dollar what. Yeah, just it doesn't always translate. 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:41.479 So much of it's just related to the amount of 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:43.960 moisture in the area. The desert bolls always way less. 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:48.880 You can probably find heavy ass antlers in Pennsylvania elk sheds. Yeah, 1:28:48.960 --> 1:28:49.840 but you can't sell them. 1:28:50.240 --> 1:28:52.160 Oh really yeah? Really? 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:55.920 Yeah? Why, I don't know. You can't sell like animal 1:28:56.000 --> 1:28:58.880 parts other than like fir and stuff that you trapped. 1:28:59.000 --> 1:28:59.599 That's interesting. 1:28:59.880 --> 1:29:01.040 They roll antlers into that. 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:04.280 If you go across state lines and sell them, is 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:05.360 at a LASIAC violation. 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:06.360 I don't know. 1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.719 Sure, So that's interesting. 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:10.600 Do you know do you know the logic behind it? 1:29:12.840 --> 1:29:12.960 Uh? 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:17.479 No, I think it's just is that just with elk, No, it's. 1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:22.320 With Yeah, I think California has something similar to because 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:24.360 my buddies that live down there, I was just keeping them, 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:25.840 keeping them. They said they can't sell them down there 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:26.400 for some reason. 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:31.040 Yeah, unless they change that, But as far as I know, 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.440 you can't sell antlers that Pennsylvania. 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:38.000 Yeah, just says PA dot Gov. I didn't open up 1:29:38.040 --> 1:29:41.960 the page directly, but part of it is it is 1:29:42.080 --> 1:29:46.760 unlawful for individuals to possess shed antler shed antler, to sell, 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:51.880 barter or trade, or to offer to sell, barter or 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:53.160 trade any shed antler. 1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:53.840 That's wild. 1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:56.960 That's from the Game Commission. Now let me click to 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:58.360 see if there's any rationale. 1:29:58.920 --> 1:29:59.400 Grow up. 1:30:00.040 --> 1:30:02.559 I don't understand the I mean, I'm not I'm not here. 1:30:02.680 --> 1:30:05.880 I don't like to just start randomly, you know, being 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:09.439 like what bullshit like. But I don't understand the logic. 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:14.639 I don't understand the logic that that if a farmer 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:22.160 found a elkshd antler on his place, and it's not 1:30:22.280 --> 1:30:25.479 attached to the skull, so there's no question about that, 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:28.240 you can tell an antler that shed naturally. There's no 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:31.000 question that he shot the bowl in order to sell 1:30:31.080 --> 1:30:34.120 four hundred bucks worth the antler. I just don't understand. 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:34.759 I don't understand. 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:38.080 Yeah, I mean, it says it's lawful for individuals to 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:42.040 retain deer an elk antlers found on public land, so 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.800 as long as they were shed through natural causes. But 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:48.920 what's unlawfuls for them to possess it to sell, barter 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:49.559 or trade. 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:52.679 So, yeah, I heard the public land. 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:52.920 Thing. 1:30:54.400 --> 1:30:59.880 You want to know, crazy ass deadhead rule is remember 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.200 when we were in when I drew that Ibex tag 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:07.040 in New Mexico, Yeah, that is this is crazy. 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:08.760 And we found. 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.080 At the base of a cliff we found some Ibex 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:17.240 horns and so they don't shed, right, So it's it's 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:19.800 like if you find the horn, it's something died not shed, 1:31:19.920 --> 1:31:22.880 so it's different. But we called the game warden. 1:31:23.280 --> 1:31:23.840 You were there, were. 1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:27.640 Grab Yeah, remember that grabbed him. 1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:30.439 You got to call the game ward The game ward 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:34.559 comes out and says, here's what you owe the state 1:31:34.720 --> 1:31:35.320 if you'd. 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:38.400 Like to have that, And it seemed like you you 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:41.200 could almost like kind of barter with. 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:44.240 Him, right, Oh yeah, the game warden. Besides it like 1:31:44.439 --> 1:31:46.559 on the side right there, what do you say, twenty bucks? 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:49.120 Yeah, something like that, and you're paying cash. Yeah, they 1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:49.960 give you a receipt or. 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:51.720 It might have been like we offered twenty he's like 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:53.640 house fifteen or something like that. 1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:57.520 Yeah, and then he proceeded to check our licenses. 1:31:57.800 --> 1:32:00.320 Yeah, but we were dialed after he cam. 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:01.599 He also checked out. 1:32:02.680 --> 1:32:07.040 No, he's like while I'm here, what permits have a look? 1:32:07.240 --> 1:32:09.599 Yeah, But at first I was like, what the heck? 1:32:09.680 --> 1:32:12.160 But then you know, you're like, this guy's doing his job. 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:16.000 Yeah, I think for those ibex horns, I kept one, No, 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:18.320 I didn't. Kevin Murphy kept one out and who else 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:20.960 kept the other one? You have one, and he wanted 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:23.720 like twenty bucks. But if you found some big like 1:32:23.760 --> 1:32:26.120 two hundred inches melely deadhead, he might come and say 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:29.000 that they can just as well come and say, uh, 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:32.000 I don't know, five hundred bucks. And then one time 1:32:32.080 --> 1:32:33.559 I was at a thing in New Mexico where they 1:32:33.680 --> 1:32:38.840 auction off all the ship all the road kill stuff, 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:42.360 all the confiscated stuff, and they'll pull out like tank 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:43.880 or mulely dead heads. 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.519 And you just you can bid on them. Yeah yeah. 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:48.320 Utah does that every year too. They have a big 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:49.080 auction every year. 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:00.720 So if you if you look at it, let's say 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:04.800 you find what is the value of when you just 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:06.400 said you go out and find a few antlers and 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:11.479 that's a couple hundred bucks or whatever. You can go 1:33:11.560 --> 1:33:13.760 out your place and find like like let's say you 1:33:13.800 --> 1:33:16.960 find a three fifty bulls one side off a three 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:20.360 fifty bolt. You could be holding a couple hundred dollars. 1:33:20.760 --> 1:33:23.120 Yeah, if it's if it's a brown antler, yeah, you 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:25.280 could one hundred to two hundred dollars pretty easy. If 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:28.240 it weighs up again, could you. 1:33:28.320 --> 1:33:30.280 Sell I could see the appeal of that, because like 1:33:31.360 --> 1:33:34.519 you could go trap, like trap a beaver. You got 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:37.519 trap them, haul them all the ship you need to buy, 1:33:38.040 --> 1:33:46.120 flesh them, yeah, stretch them. Yeah, and that takes specialized equipment. 1:33:46.240 --> 1:33:48.000 Yeah, this I mean you can meet your antler buyer 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:49.439 when you get to town, or you'll hand your cash 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:49.920 and you're done. 1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:54.439 So can you sell like a big set for more 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:57.439 money than if it was just like a like an 1:33:57.840 --> 1:34:01.200 individual antler sometimes? Or could you sell them to like 1:34:01.360 --> 1:34:04.680 niche markets like a taxidermist or something that. 1:34:05.200 --> 1:34:07.439 Yeah, you can sell them to collector sometimes if they're 1:34:07.479 --> 1:34:10.400 over like you know it's on elk, like big big 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:13.439 like three eighty or seventy three eighty plus. Or the 1:34:13.560 --> 1:34:15.599 best thing you can do is if you find a set, 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:18.200 like an older set off a bowl that somebody's killed 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:20.080 a lot of times, they'll want them so you can 1:34:20.120 --> 1:34:20.880 make a deal with them. 1:34:21.120 --> 1:34:22.960 Oh or you know thought of that. 1:34:23.280 --> 1:34:25.360 Yeah, sometimes you can get a little better price for 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.680 like a big set from a buyer to like, if 1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:30.040 you have a big set, they might I mean what 1:34:30.160 --> 1:34:32.040 I usually do if I have something big or special, 1:34:32.400 --> 1:34:33.800 I'll just kind of set it aside and just ask 1:34:33.800 --> 1:34:36.240 the buyer if that's worth anything more than regular poundage 1:34:36.240 --> 1:34:37.720 to him, and he might have some sort of a 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:40.280 market for it. And then I've got like maybe an 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:42.320 extra dollar a pound or a couple dollars a pound 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:42.920 out of something big. 1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:43.479 Gotcha. 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:46.400 But if you find like a super freak thing that's 1:34:46.479 --> 1:34:48.840 just cool look at, that's a whole different market though 1:34:49.320 --> 1:34:52.280 it can be. Yeah, you're just can you just set 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:54.760 up a website? Would be like weird ass shit I found. 1:34:55.600 --> 1:34:56.400 It's not a bad idea. 1:34:57.520 --> 1:34:58.320 I write that down. 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:01.920 Do check with the lawyer on that one. Yeah. I 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:06.080 saw the couple on eBay just out of curiosity to 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:08.479 see what they would do, and they both sold for 1:35:08.560 --> 1:35:10.880 a ton. I posted them on my Instagram. I'm like, 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:12.760 I found these sheds. They're on eba, go bit on them. 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:15.400 I saw the elk shed for like nine and fifty 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:17.680 bucks what, and then a deer shed for like I 1:35:17.720 --> 1:35:19.840 think it was like two eighty or two ninety really, 1:35:20.560 --> 1:35:21.760 but you can you can. 1:35:21.720 --> 1:35:24.080 Get a little more for a nice match set too. 1:35:24.120 --> 1:35:27.200 Right, Yeah, depending like same if they're above that trophy 1:35:27.240 --> 1:35:30.000 class like on deer, they had to be over like 1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:32.560 really one eighty or have somebody has to have some 1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:33.400 attachment to them. 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:37.920 A shed I have that I feel would be of 1:35:38.080 --> 1:35:42.439 exceptional value, but it has a very prominent position in 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:47.839 my home. I have a moose paddle that was burned 1:35:48.000 --> 1:35:52.479 a little bit in a fire and has a weird 1:35:52.680 --> 1:35:57.439 drop time coming off the back of the paddle, so 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:01.040 it stands like a three legged tripod free standards man, 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:05.080 and it stands like totally on display with a little 1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:08.680 prong of growth coming out the bag, and you can 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:11.479 tell that it's been burnt, singed and burnt in a fire. 1:36:11.640 --> 1:36:13.920 That's cool, it's a beautiful While you're here, you should 1:36:13.920 --> 1:36:16.479 go out the three forks to what's what's that guy's name, 1:36:16.560 --> 1:36:17.160 Jim Oh? 1:36:17.200 --> 1:36:18.320 The Shed Antler Museum. 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:20.679 Yeah, dude, look at that place. 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:23.639 Really, you'd like it the most? 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:25.760 Yeah, like to check it out. 1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:26.600 How you gotta do it? 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:29.960 Yeah, it's just a collection he's got out there, dude, 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:34.360 he's got like thousand never how it was talking about 1:36:34.360 --> 1:36:35.200 the louver earlier. 1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:39.320 This is like the louver of antlers, but like and 1:36:39.400 --> 1:36:40.840 the building has also made it. 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:47.360 You know, this guy is an eccentric, obsessed dude, and 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:49.559 he was doing it when it wasn't a thing people did. 1:36:50.439 --> 1:36:55.280 He has the craziest He's one of two people I 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:59.200 know that legit found a bear trap. Oh really like 1:36:59.280 --> 1:37:01.960 the old and the Woods found a grizzly in the 1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:04.240 Woods found it. Have always wanted to find one of those, 1:37:05.240 --> 1:37:08.439 you and me both. Yeah, my buddy Mike found one, 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:09.080 and he found one. 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.479 Huh, that's cool. Yeah, I'd like to check it out. 1:37:11.520 --> 1:37:12.599 I could spend some days there. 1:37:12.600 --> 1:37:16.439 I'm sure we did a show from there. He's a 1:37:16.479 --> 1:37:17.360 hell of a gardener too. 1:37:18.160 --> 1:37:19.320 He lives a couple of blocks from me. 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:21.880 Oh yeah, you guys are neighbors. 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:25.200 Jim Phillips is his name you there? 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:27.080 No, I haven't. 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:30.080 It's I saw some pictures. I don't know what you 1:37:30.120 --> 1:37:32.120 guys posted them, but it looked like the inside of 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:32.920 a barn or something like. 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:35.360 Maybe we have pictures on the website. 1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:38.960 He's a craftsman man. He's an obsessive collector. I mean 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:42.559 he's a collector of weird rocks, trees. 1:37:43.760 --> 1:37:45.200 I don't know, that's cool. 1:37:45.640 --> 1:37:50.840 He's obsessive, probably, I don't know, might be a hard 1:37:51.000 --> 1:37:51.680 man to live with. 1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:55.200 He seems lovely. He's also a writer. 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:57.200 But the amount of work. 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:03.120 Everything he told is everything around him. 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:04.320 Is like craft thousands. 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:05.280 Yeah. 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:07.639 Yes, he's like see that garden. You look at the garden, 1:38:07.720 --> 1:38:11.639 be like that looks like thousands of hours. Yeah, see 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:15.640 this this should I do with the trees I planted to? Like, 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:20.320 that's thousands of hours. Everything he does, all the rocks 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:23.200 he has, yeah, and then what he does with them. 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:26.519 His whole front bed in his house is all like 1:38:26.760 --> 1:38:30.360 instead of mulch, it's all fossilized wood that he found 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:31.160 and brought back. 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:32.000 That's so cool. 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:33.040 Thousands of hours. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:36.880 It sounds like my wife's grandpa. He was just like 1:38:37.040 --> 1:38:40.000 picking up antlers in the sixties seventies and just to 1:38:40.120 --> 1:38:41.880 have them in his yard when he when he passed away, 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:44.920 Like he had one hundred plus deer antlers just in 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:47.400 his planter in his front yard. Yeah, just went out 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:48.639 and got him because he thought they were cool. 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:51.360 Imagine if you took all the time you spent doing 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:58.000 like dumb, non memorable stuff and spent it doing like 1:38:58.120 --> 1:39:02.920 obsessing over your space in like finding things and building 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:04.240 things out of things you found. 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:08.880 It's a I would like, I love this place. 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:12.479 He's was a great guess, great guy. I think that 1:39:12.680 --> 1:39:16.200 his place would be as interesting to someone who is 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:19.639 interested in human behavior as it would be to someone 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:21.720 that's interested in Chad Antler's I mean this in the 1:39:22.120 --> 1:39:25.599 Krin's laughing. I mean this in the nicest, most flattering 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:26.400 way possible. 1:39:28.040 --> 1:39:30.880 Yeah, it's like, it's interesting to see how different people 1:39:31.040 --> 1:39:33.840 focus their energy and their time, and that is like 1:39:34.240 --> 1:39:38.200 a visual representation of god knows how many hours of 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:40.639 someone's mental focus. 1:39:41.280 --> 1:39:45.640 Yeah, and he at some point early on had to 1:39:45.760 --> 1:39:51.800 have envisioned in his head some aspect of what it 1:39:51.920 --> 1:39:54.880 was going to look like in the end. Meaning when 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:57.200 I'm not trying to quate this to the Pyramids, I am. 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:01.080 When someone started making the peer mids, they were like, 1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:04.280 and it'll look like this one. We're done, right, Yeah, 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:07.439 do you know how much money and poundage that is? 1:40:07.520 --> 1:40:09.160 I was just going to say, you're probably gonna eye 1:40:09.240 --> 1:40:10.880 that and like estimate. 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:13.599 He's never sold an Antler trades. 1:40:14.120 --> 1:40:16.599 He's never sold he trades and fines. 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:18.560 That's that's respectable that's commendable. 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:21.439 He'll find a bunch of normal stuff and then trade 1:40:21.479 --> 1:40:22.439 it for the weird ship. 1:40:22.640 --> 1:40:27.960 Yeah, he likes the weird stuff. Huh. Oh, and he's 1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:29.559 got little he's got. 1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:32.200 Like clubs like antler. I mean, he's got all kinds 1:40:32.240 --> 1:40:36.040 of things that maybe would work very well weaponry. 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:38.280 No, you and him be, You and him be best friends. 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:39.920 I'd be. I could spend a lot of time at 1:40:39.920 --> 1:40:40.920 that place, for sure. 1:40:41.120 --> 1:40:43.360 I'll find his contact information for Yeah. 1:40:43.200 --> 1:40:44.519 You got to be like best bodies. 1:40:47.160 --> 1:40:49.200 Did he find most of those? 1:40:49.760 --> 1:40:50.920 All of them trades? 1:40:52.800 --> 1:40:52.960 Yeah? 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:54.559 You got You guys get kicked off of each other. 1:40:54.600 --> 1:40:59.760 There's like a big oh man, that's double beam bull. 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:04.080 She's he's got a few years on you. Yeah, I'll 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:06.599 catch him, give me some time. Well, I just mean 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:07.920 an age. I won't catch him. 1:41:08.360 --> 1:41:11.360 Well, no, eventually he'll stop right and then you'll. 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:14.559 With diminishing opportunities. We'll see though. Like it's getting harder 1:41:14.600 --> 1:41:15.519 out there, is it. Yeah? 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:17.519 For sure are the good old days of shed hunting over? 1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:20.120 Yes? And no, like you just I mean you got 1:41:20.200 --> 1:41:22.000 to work for him so much harder now. It used 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.559 to be like we would literally drive out to Nevada, 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:27.040 park in the desert walk and pick him up. And 1:41:27.120 --> 1:41:30.600 now you got to be pretty pretty calculated because the 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:33.400 people interested in him. Yeah, it's because he's damn YouTubers 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:34.439 ruined it for everybody. 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:38.680 Yeah, ruined the finding of antlers. Have you gone down 1:41:38.720 --> 1:41:39.960 the path of getting a dog to do it? 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:44.360 I uh not really. I started talking to a kid 1:41:45.160 --> 1:41:47.960 recently about getting one, but I just am not. I'm 1:41:48.000 --> 1:41:50.160 not a good dog owner. I'm just not home enough. Like, 1:41:50.240 --> 1:41:52.120 we have a dog, it's a family dog, and she's awesome. 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:54.400 I love that dog. But for me to take a 1:41:54.479 --> 1:41:56.280 dog with me everywhere I go so much of it's 1:41:56.360 --> 1:41:58.559 like staying in hotels and driving around of my van. 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:00.840 It's like taking care of it would probably be too 1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:03.800 much hassle at this point, But someday I will when 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:05.680 I'm back to kind of just doing the Western, like 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:09.840 the elk shed thing. Walk me through the idea that 1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:16.280 you wanna you have a quest to find a shed 1:42:16.320 --> 1:42:19.960 antler in all fifty Yeah, one year. Yeah, I don't 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:21.160 know if I'll do it in a year, Like the 1:42:21.240 --> 1:42:23.360 idea was between this shed season and the end of 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:25.160 next shed season, so it could be like a year 1:42:25.200 --> 1:42:27.720 and a half. But Yeah, that's the goal. Man. I 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:28.479 started talking. 1:42:28.479 --> 1:42:31.000 About it with my buddy Josh like five or six 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:33.760 years ago, and I always wanted to do it, and 1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:36.719 I was going to do it the year of COVID, 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:39.439 which is twenty twenty, and everything got so screwed up. 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:41.280 I couldn't do it then. So as soon as we 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:43.600 got out of that darkness, I started planning trying to 1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:44.160 figure it out. 1:42:44.560 --> 1:42:46.560 So if you imagine the pile, all fifty of the 1:42:46.600 --> 1:42:49.840 shed antlers in a pile, how many white tail sheds 1:42:49.880 --> 1:42:50.439 are in that pile? 1:42:50.560 --> 1:42:54.599 Oh man, a lot, like thirty something, and there's one 1:42:54.720 --> 1:42:56.559 access to er yep from Hawaii. 1:42:56.880 --> 1:43:00.280 Yeah, yeah, there's probably two or three moves sheds. 1:43:00.200 --> 1:43:03.080 Yep, yep. Moose trips planned and figured out right now. 1:43:04.040 --> 1:43:07.320 Caribou maybe I think we'll get a caribou. It's kind 1:43:07.320 --> 1:43:10.439 of in the works. And uh yeah, maybe a seca 1:43:10.520 --> 1:43:13.800 dear maybe, Uh, I don't know, maybe a sandbar. I'm 1:43:13.840 --> 1:43:16.120 not opposed to picking up a couple exotics while I'm 1:43:16.160 --> 1:43:18.920 out and about. Well in Hawaii, you'll have to, yeah 1:43:19.000 --> 1:43:19.360 for sure. 1:43:19.439 --> 1:43:23.000 Why uh you know what if you to get a 1:43:23.080 --> 1:43:26.360 glimpse of what shed hunt used to be like, probably 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:28.439 I mean if you go way way back, there's all 1:43:28.520 --> 1:43:31.040 kinds of areas in Alaska where no one's gonna pick 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:32.559 it up. There's no way to get it out of there, right, 1:43:33.000 --> 1:43:35.799 And you'll see like a saddle, you know, like a pass, 1:43:37.120 --> 1:43:41.880 and you'll fly over it and it'll be literally dozens, yeah, 1:43:42.120 --> 1:43:46.040 like literally dozens of antlers. That sounds awesome in a paddle, 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:50.080 or you'll be flying you'll be flying up a braided 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:53.320 channel of a stream that's all willow flats and you'll 1:43:53.320 --> 1:43:56.760 be flying up it's just like moose antley, moose, moose, you. 1:43:56.760 --> 1:43:57.519 Know, just everywhere. 1:43:57.640 --> 1:44:01.160 That's the stuff I dream about usually at like usually 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:06.280 if you go to any landing strip in Alaska that 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:08.559 are down along the river that most of them are 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:11.040 like down along the willow flats. You just often are 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:14.160 landing willow flats and you get like, oh, we got 1:44:14.160 --> 1:44:15.920 to wait an hour for the next plane or whatever, 1:44:15.960 --> 1:44:17.560 and you just start cutting loops you will find a 1:44:17.640 --> 1:44:18.120 moose antler. 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:22.599 Really, Oh yeah, that's sweet man, that's you know, they're nasty, 1:44:22.680 --> 1:44:24.599 yeah right, but yeah, Well, I've talked to some guys 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:27.000 up there that are really good, you know, shed hunters 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:28.920 in Alaska and that's I mean, they say, they just 1:44:29.400 --> 1:44:31.719 it's not finding them. It's just the logistics of getting 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:34.800 them to anywhere you can even collect them or sell 1:44:34.800 --> 1:44:35.320 them or whatever. 1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:37.479 Yeah, we met a guy that does it for moose 1:44:38.200 --> 1:44:41.080 out of a super cub and he just lashes them 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:44.519 to the struts. But yeah, but he's looking. He's picking 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:50.559 up huge brown moose sheds. Yeah, and apparently the money 1:44:50.680 --> 1:44:53.880 is good enough that you're like burning that level of fuel. 1:44:54.120 --> 1:44:59.719 Yeah, what's uh, what's moose moose shed worth versus antler 1:45:00.200 --> 1:45:00.719 per pound? 1:45:01.040 --> 1:45:03.320 It used to be the highest. Like when I first 1:45:03.439 --> 1:45:06.960 really get into selling antlers, everybody wanted moose. But I 1:45:07.040 --> 1:45:09.240 think it's kind of slumped off a little bit comparatively. 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:12.600 I think there's I can't remember if I read it. 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:14.519 Maybe it was caribou, but there's one type of antler 1:45:15.040 --> 1:45:17.160 that's not as nutrient dense for like a dog chew, 1:45:17.200 --> 1:45:20.240 and the hardness isn't right for dogs, so it doesn't 1:45:20.280 --> 1:45:21.400 have as desirable of them. 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:25.400 It might that might be caribou, but well that stuff 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:26.880 is exceptionally hard. 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:30.599 Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. But I know the markets 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:33.599 for moose is down a little bit. I think it's 1:45:33.640 --> 1:45:35.599 like maybe fifteen or sixteen dollars a pound. 1:45:35.720 --> 1:45:38.880 Last I heard another way down another thing about cariboo, 1:45:38.880 --> 1:45:39.719 which is interesting. 1:45:40.240 --> 1:45:43.120 It's got flex, really a lot of flex. 1:45:43.240 --> 1:45:43.400 Huh. 1:45:43.680 --> 1:45:45.600 Yeah. I don't think I've ever really held like a 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:46.679 big caribou antler. 1:45:46.800 --> 1:45:48.439 Oh you could take a big ass antler, put one 1:45:48.479 --> 1:45:50.080 in on the ground and press the top. 1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:55.559 And really yeah, very like bendable, got flex. Really you'll 1:45:55.600 --> 1:45:59.759 see those caribou running, you know and stuff and it jiggles. 1:46:00.280 --> 1:46:04.120 Yeah, that's cool, it'll be it'll be back like hard 1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:08.080 Wie is like almost pliable. 1:46:08.160 --> 1:46:10.560 You can bend well, no, it goes right back, but 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:12.479 it's got spring to it. 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:16.800 Do they think they break less because of that? Man? 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:18.400 You know where you know where they talk a lot 1:46:18.439 --> 1:46:21.400 about this is in John McPhee's Coming into the Country. 1:46:22.200 --> 1:46:27.400 He talks about the tool use of caribou antlers and 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:28.960 talks about but I can't remember. 1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:30.320 I have to see if I can find a cliff 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:34.080 note somewhere. That sounds like a good read. 1:46:34.280 --> 1:46:37.920 So when you do the all fifty uh, what's the 1:46:38.000 --> 1:46:40.200 goal of picking up shed antler in all fifty states? 1:46:40.360 --> 1:46:42.120 That's it quest? 1:46:42.280 --> 1:46:43.920 Can I follow up on that? Is it like you 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:48.360 have a standard for size measurement or you'll like step 1:46:48.439 --> 1:46:51.599 foot in the state and be like Spike okay, yeah. 1:46:51.920 --> 1:46:54.360 Yeah, Like we got it to Arkansas. We met up 1:46:54.400 --> 1:46:56.680 with my buddy Austin down there and he just had 1:46:56.720 --> 1:46:59.400 some public land kind of that he shed once occasionally. 1:46:59.520 --> 1:47:01.960 And we got out of the van, we crossed the road, 1:47:02.040 --> 1:47:03.920 walked up the hill and boom, Spike shed. I'm like, 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:08.840 get back in. The fanboys were out of here. Count it. Yeah, 1:47:08.920 --> 1:47:10.880 we've knocked her off and away stays you guys so 1:47:11.000 --> 1:47:14.040 far fourteen and that's just since March. 1:47:14.400 --> 1:47:17.120 So are you gonna find one here while you're here? 1:47:17.200 --> 1:47:19.439 Yeah, totally. We're going tomorrow meeting up with Dylan from 1:47:19.439 --> 1:47:22.880 on X and we're headed here to Montana to look 1:47:22.880 --> 1:47:23.439 for El Caner. 1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:24.000 I I I. 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:27.880 Got a little well you know what, The water's up 1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:28.240 right now? 1:47:28.360 --> 1:47:30.120 Pretty bad? Yeah? Got a spot. 1:47:30.520 --> 1:47:32.719 Yeah, oh man, I think that I have a spot 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:35.680 where you could very very very close by. 1:47:36.520 --> 1:47:38.439 So I like to hear, go find some sheds. Yeah, 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:40.639 I could take your point and sit it on the air. 1:47:40.760 --> 1:47:43.240 I'm not gonna water is higher right now. 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:43.679 Waters. 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:45.880 I went and looked a little something something this morning 1:47:45.960 --> 1:47:49.280 for something and I couldn't get there because. 1:47:52.560 --> 1:47:54.920 No, I swim, you can't even tell us what you're 1:47:55.000 --> 1:47:55.360 looking for. 1:47:55.640 --> 1:47:58.560 No, when we leave here, I'll take you to a 1:47:58.600 --> 1:48:00.640 spot and I'll show you, and I guarantee you're going 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:01.240 there and find one. 1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:03.280 Really, if you got a good shed, I I'm down. Yeah, 1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:05.639 I got the shed. I I got the shed. 1:48:05.720 --> 1:48:07.400 I you know where I'm talking about? 1:48:08.800 --> 1:48:12.920 Do I maybe what kind of a shed? Would it be? 1:48:13.280 --> 1:48:15.519 White tail? Right on? I like picking white tail sheds. 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:19.360 I found a new affinity for it. I got just 1:48:19.439 --> 1:48:20.120 the spot from you. 1:48:20.240 --> 1:48:20.560 Let's go. 1:48:21.640 --> 1:48:27.360 I'm not going that's fine, I'll show you where perfect, 1:48:28.640 --> 1:48:33.679 you'll be there and not long. That's good. 1:48:34.040 --> 1:48:34.320 I like. 1:48:34.760 --> 1:48:38.120 I like urban antlers. Yeah. I used to pick a 1:48:38.160 --> 1:48:40.439 lot of mule their sheds, Like in town and Cedar 1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:42.559 where I grew up. They were just coming to town 1:48:42.600 --> 1:48:45.559 at night and feeding vacant lots and everything, and we'd 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:47.559 go pick them up. One of the biggest deer sheds 1:48:47.560 --> 1:48:49.240 I ever found came out of a vacant lot next 1:48:49.280 --> 1:48:50.479 to our hospital in town. 1:48:50.760 --> 1:48:52.040 Really nice. 1:48:52.360 --> 1:48:55.200 If someone came and said, I'm gonna take all your sheds, 1:48:55.200 --> 1:48:56.680 but you can only have one shed, and that's the 1:48:56.720 --> 1:48:58.160 only shed you can have for the rest of your life. 1:48:58.200 --> 1:49:03.600 What shed would it be? Oh? Man, that's tough. I 1:49:03.720 --> 1:49:07.400 have this this Nevada ble that I picked up, and 1:49:07.520 --> 1:49:09.519 it was like it was cool because it was the 1:49:09.600 --> 1:49:11.800 first set I ever found in this new area. I 1:49:11.880 --> 1:49:14.479 went out there exploring, never been anywhere near there, and 1:49:14.680 --> 1:49:18.679 uh hiked all over, never found really any sign or anything. 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:21.439 I got up on this point to glass, I put 1:49:21.520 --> 1:49:23.960 up my binocular glass and sheds. Oh yeah, yeah. We 1:49:24.080 --> 1:49:28.760 glassed for antlers a lot. I remember setting. I'll bring 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:32.320 a spotter if if I'm looking at big enough country, 1:49:32.800 --> 1:49:34.519 but most of the time just binoculars on a tripod. 1:49:34.560 --> 1:49:36.760 It's so funny you say that, because that's another way 1:49:36.880 --> 1:49:39.960 hunting moose. You find so many moose sheds. 1:49:40.040 --> 1:49:42.400 Yeah, glassing just spot them scanning around. 1:49:43.720 --> 1:49:44.479 That's a great point. 1:49:44.800 --> 1:49:46.759 Yeah, it's a tip. 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:51.880 Glass and tip. That might be a good episode for 1:49:51.960 --> 1:49:53.360 the show Glass and for sheds. 1:49:53.479 --> 1:49:55.120 I wonder if we should claim it like. 1:49:58.920 --> 1:50:01.360 Glass and shed ched. I wore, Yeah, there you go, 1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:07.800 So I glassed up, like yeah, one thing I like 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:09.240 to do, and I'm glass for sheds. I'll put a 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:11.280 timer on my phone and I'll make myself glass for 1:50:11.360 --> 1:50:13.719 that long, because otherwise I'll get distracted and I won't 1:50:13.960 --> 1:50:16.320 won't put in the actual much. I think I set 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:18.280 a timer for twenty minutes one spot. 1:50:18.760 --> 1:50:20.439 Do you like a string grid that you follow? 1:50:20.760 --> 1:50:23.320 I try to just follow terrain like I do. I do. 1:50:23.439 --> 1:50:25.439 I mean, I do grid, but I'll just follow a 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:27.439 ridge down, pick up the next ridge, and go back up. 1:50:27.479 --> 1:50:29.759 And if I'm going too fast after my ride myself 1:50:29.760 --> 1:50:30.280 to slow down. 1:50:31.040 --> 1:50:33.120 As you're talking, I'm thinking how many times I've glassed 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:34.599 up like mildew sheds. 1:50:34.720 --> 1:50:36.519 Yeah, you can see them from a long ways away, but. 1:50:36.520 --> 1:50:38.840 I've never sat down to glass of shed. Yeah, but 1:50:38.960 --> 1:50:41.280 you're just glassing and be like there's a shed yep, 1:50:42.000 --> 1:50:43.599 that works the same. I can see how one would 1:50:43.600 --> 1:50:45.400 discover that, huh. 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.840 But I glasted up a giant five point side out there, 1:50:48.960 --> 1:50:52.000 like an elk side, and I really wasn't even expecting 1:50:52.040 --> 1:50:55.599 there to be elk in that spot necessarily, and uh, 1:50:55.880 --> 1:50:57.560 it was a long ways away. I got over to 1:50:57.680 --> 1:50:59.160 it and it was busted, but it was a great 1:50:59.200 --> 1:51:02.760 big like a three seventy type side off of a bowl. 1:51:03.200 --> 1:51:04.920 And I walked up the ridge and his other side 1:51:05.000 --> 1:51:07.519 was right there and it's just this big webbed out 1:51:07.600 --> 1:51:10.599 and it's split on its fifth point and it's fourth 1:51:10.680 --> 1:51:12.880 and it has a little brow tying, so I was 1:51:12.920 --> 1:51:16.719 like nine points on it totals just beautiful, heavy webbed 1:51:16.760 --> 1:51:18.920 out And I think that's my favorite elk shed that 1:51:18.960 --> 1:51:21.519 I've ever found. I'd probably unto, yeah, And what I 1:51:21.640 --> 1:51:23.559 like about it is like after I found those sheds, 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:26.600 I ended up finding like, over the course of the 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:29.719 next couple of years, probably one hundred to two hundred 1:51:29.920 --> 1:51:32.600 elk sheds in that little spot, and it was just 1:51:32.720 --> 1:51:34.800 loaded up And I never would have gone in there 1:51:34.800 --> 1:51:36.760 if I wouldn't have seen that one side. 1:51:38.040 --> 1:51:39.639 And it's paid off multiple years. 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:42.479 Oh yeah, I go back there every year at some point. 1:51:43.880 --> 1:51:45.760 So that's the number one for me. 1:51:46.200 --> 1:51:49.640 Have you, I know, the timing's way off, But does 1:51:49.840 --> 1:51:52.680 does your shed hunting activities inform your hunting activities a 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:53.200 little bit? 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:57.360 Like I do have some deer that I target and 1:51:57.439 --> 1:51:59.720 try to find their sheds specifically because I can hunt them, 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:02.439 But most of the time I'm head into units that 1:52:02.479 --> 1:52:04.439 I'm never gonna have a tag in, at least not 1:52:04.520 --> 1:52:07.080 for a long time. But it's helped like buddies, like 1:52:07.520 --> 1:52:09.120 my brother in law drew an elk tag in a 1:52:09.200 --> 1:52:11.400 unit in Nevada that I loved to shed hunk, and 1:52:11.520 --> 1:52:13.800 it was a late rifle tag, so all those elk 1:52:13.840 --> 1:52:16.200 were right where they would be during shed time. So 1:52:16.960 --> 1:52:18.439 we were able to see some of the bulls that 1:52:18.479 --> 1:52:21.120 I had antlers off of and use that knowledge to 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:25.080 find big bulls right at that time. So yeah, we 1:52:25.360 --> 1:52:26.000 use it a little bit. 1:52:26.000 --> 1:52:28.720 It's not like a major tool what I wanted to 1:52:28.760 --> 1:52:30.439 ask about to lay out from me, how you're going 1:52:30.520 --> 1:52:32.960 to tackle the whole country. Are you being systematic about it? 1:52:33.680 --> 1:52:37.960 No, I'm not that systematic. I'll start in Florida's zag well, 1:52:38.040 --> 1:52:40.400 kind like I'll plan my road trips like that. Like 1:52:40.479 --> 1:52:43.320 I just did a road trip from Utah. I first 1:52:43.320 --> 1:52:46.439 place I was Texas, and we found some antlers in Texas, 1:52:46.479 --> 1:52:49.839 and then we shot over and I got Mississippi and Alabama, 1:52:50.600 --> 1:52:54.519 and then we went north and got Arkansas and then 1:52:54.640 --> 1:52:57.920 up through Missouri and then went to Wisconsin and got 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:03.439 Wisconsin Haikeyani's place and in Wisconsin and then you found 1:53:03.680 --> 1:53:06.439 you fohon on the left. I didn't find it on 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:08.320 his place. Like the one I picked up was in 1:53:08.439 --> 1:53:11.240 Travis's which is right next door. Got it. And then 1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:15.040 I came home through north South Dakota, Minnesota, and so 1:53:15.120 --> 1:53:16.479 I just tried to hit them all on a big loop. 1:53:16.560 --> 1:53:18.320 But so, but here's the thing, here's what you're not 1:53:18.400 --> 1:53:21.439 thinking about too clearly. You got to go back down 1:53:21.600 --> 1:53:26.040 now and do Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, do Alabama. 1:53:26.200 --> 1:53:27.479 Yeah, I got Alabama. 1:53:28.000 --> 1:53:30.120 You should have mopped up that little corner down there. 1:53:30.240 --> 1:53:32.320 It's timing though, like I can't. I mean not trying 1:53:32.320 --> 1:53:33.880 to stay onn the road for like two weeks. You know, 1:53:34.439 --> 1:53:36.280 do you turkey on it all? Not much. 1:53:36.640 --> 1:53:38.880 It's gonna say, if you're a turkey hunter, you could 1:53:39.560 --> 1:53:41.800 fit in a lot of turkey hunting with these with 1:53:41.920 --> 1:53:43.040 these shed trips, for sure. 1:53:43.080 --> 1:53:44.360 And there's a lot of people that when I tell 1:53:44.360 --> 1:53:45.880 them I'm coming, they're like, let's go hunt turkeys and 1:53:45.920 --> 1:53:47.880 look for sheds, And I just kind of tell them like, 1:53:47.880 --> 1:53:49.240 I'm here to get antler and get out of here. 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:54.479 So probably passing up some good opportunities. Does your wife 1:53:54.680 --> 1:53:57.240 like to look at the shed antlers? No, she doesn't 1:53:57.240 --> 1:53:59.720 give a shit, Like I'll bring them home and show 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:03.720 them to She's like, yeah, good job. Anyway, Yeah, I've 1:54:03.760 --> 1:54:05.519 been home with the kids for seven days. 1:54:05.400 --> 1:54:06.920 So I was gonna ask about that. How many kids 1:54:06.920 --> 1:54:07.160 you got? 1:54:07.200 --> 1:54:10.160 I have three boys, and how old? Seven, eight and four? 1:54:10.920 --> 1:54:15.120 That's great. How long you've been married eleven years? Eleven years? 1:54:15.200 --> 1:54:18.479 What's the key to eleven years of marriage? For us? 1:54:18.560 --> 1:54:20.800 It's to be gone a lot. That works great for us. 1:54:20.880 --> 1:54:23.120 You don't get burned out. No, Like it's good because, 1:54:23.520 --> 1:54:25.200 I mean, me and my wife were a good team. 1:54:25.960 --> 1:54:28.479 And when I'm home, it's cool. And then after about 1:54:28.479 --> 1:54:30.040 four or five days, she's ready to send me out 1:54:30.080 --> 1:54:32.080 the door again, and I go do my thing, and 1:54:32.160 --> 1:54:35.280 she's a very like she's a very career oriented woman. 1:54:35.360 --> 1:54:38.920 She's very I mean, she just handles stuff. And so 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:41.720 I come home and help out and do what I 1:54:41.760 --> 1:54:43.520 can see my boys, and then I'm gone again and 1:54:44.080 --> 1:54:45.080 she just handles everything. 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:46.520 Do they like shed hunting? 1:54:46.760 --> 1:54:49.480 Yeah? Yeah. The older they get, the more like they 1:54:49.520 --> 1:54:51.320 want to be involved and stuff. I'm excited for them 1:54:51.320 --> 1:54:52.800 to get out of school this year because we're going 1:54:52.840 --> 1:54:56.160 a bunch of places this summer, little shed hunting family vacation. Yeah, 1:54:56.160 --> 1:54:59.320 we're gonna go knock them all out. So that'd be good, 1:55:00.040 --> 1:55:02.879 good movie man. Yeah, I'm excited for a little. 1:55:02.640 --> 1:55:05.320 Shed hunting road trip that have broad mass appeal. 1:55:05.080 --> 1:55:07.760 Wouldn't it? Yeah, niche as it gets baby. 1:55:09.880 --> 1:55:10.720 So this summer where you. 1:55:10.720 --> 1:55:13.280 Guys gonna head, I'm gonna start knocking out Western states. 1:55:13.440 --> 1:55:16.160 I left a lot of them undone and just not 1:55:16.280 --> 1:55:18.280 mess with because of snow and because of the seasons, 1:55:18.320 --> 1:55:20.720 and because you can get antlers all through the summer 1:55:20.800 --> 1:55:22.440 in the West. They don't really get eaten up that 1:55:22.560 --> 1:55:24.920 bad and you can find out clanntlers in the tall grass. 1:55:25.520 --> 1:55:28.000 So I'm gonna start knocking those out. We're doing a 1:55:28.080 --> 1:55:31.400 thing with first light in June, so I'll go get 1:55:31.440 --> 1:55:34.960 Idaho then and then start working through I haven't done 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:36.640 Avata yet, which is like my bread and butter. 1:55:37.160 --> 1:55:40.160 Are there any states that you're most worried about and 1:55:40.200 --> 1:55:41.960 you could use a little intel and you might take 1:55:42.040 --> 1:55:47.520 this opportunity to throw out, Hey, shoot me a DM 1:55:47.720 --> 1:55:51.360 as the kids say, about any hot tips for how 1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:52.800 I can pick off some certain state. 1:55:53.160 --> 1:55:56.640 I think the northeast has me a little worried. I 1:55:57.000 --> 1:55:58.880 main I have really covered like a lot of friends 1:55:58.920 --> 1:56:01.960 who pick up moose paddles. Main, but like I really 1:56:02.040 --> 1:56:05.040 don't know my way around any of the stuff, like Vermont, 1:56:05.200 --> 1:56:07.680 New Hampshire, New Jersey. I mean, there's a lot of 1:56:07.760 --> 1:56:10.040 states out there that I'm just going into totally blind, 1:56:10.080 --> 1:56:12.360 and I don't really know anybody. So anybody in the 1:56:12.440 --> 1:56:14.960 Northeast would be super helpful then, even like North Carolina, 1:56:15.040 --> 1:56:19.360 South Carolina. I have some some friends like in the 1:56:19.480 --> 1:56:23.080 Virginia's but I think it's uh West Virginia that it 1:56:23.280 --> 1:56:25.240 might be illegal to pick him up on public land. 1:56:25.680 --> 1:56:27.480 Oh yeah, so I'll have to find some. 1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:30.800 I found sheds in New Jersey just driving around. Really, 1:56:30.880 --> 1:56:33.120 there's so many deers that're just just laying around. 1:56:33.560 --> 1:56:34.720 That's that's what I like to hear. 1:56:35.000 --> 1:56:36.240 See stay right in the van. 1:56:37.240 --> 1:56:38.720 It won't be that big of a deal. 1:56:39.240 --> 1:56:41.760 I know a guy that has so many white tails 1:56:41.840 --> 1:56:44.640 on his place that we were talking about ship antlers 1:56:44.640 --> 1:56:47.160 and he was complaining about them because they puncture his tires. 1:56:47.480 --> 1:56:49.720 Well, that's one of the that's one of the pictures. 1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:51.720 The first thing that came to his mind when we 1:56:51.800 --> 1:56:52.600 talked about shy. 1:56:54.880 --> 1:56:57.040 Doesn't he just become a seller real quick? You know? 1:56:58.520 --> 1:57:00.760 Yeah, they don't. There's a farmer he does. 1:57:00.880 --> 1:57:02.880 Farmers like to farm, and that's about all they want to, 1:57:02.960 --> 1:57:04.560 you know, not all they want to do, but I 1:57:04.600 --> 1:57:07.040 mean it's just a demanding thing. And he's like, yeah, 1:57:07.120 --> 1:57:10.480 it was very critical of deer for dropping things that 1:57:10.600 --> 1:57:11.560 puncture his tires. 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:15.400 Well that's the number one like positive response when we 1:57:15.480 --> 1:57:17.920 ask for permission is is farmers saying like, yeah, get 1:57:17.960 --> 1:57:21.400 those damn things out of the field, please. But like 1:57:21.520 --> 1:57:23.440 we even call people an offer and be like we're 1:57:23.440 --> 1:57:25.320 picking up antlers. We save you some tires, and I 1:57:25.400 --> 1:57:27.240 mean you save them one one of those track tires 1:57:27.280 --> 1:57:27.800 are expensive. 1:57:27.840 --> 1:57:30.360 Yeah, tell them I'm from the Tire Preservation Society. Yeah, 1:57:30.520 --> 1:57:34.240 that's honestly a decent pitch. We're doing some that's a 1:57:34.320 --> 1:57:36.400 shirt trying to find a shirt and here somewhere, Yeah, 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:41.800 volunteers antler and it says the Tire Preservation is a 1:57:41.840 --> 1:57:42.800 shy warrior. 1:57:42.560 --> 1:57:45.120 And he's like smashing a tire with an antler. They 1:57:45.160 --> 1:57:47.680 could get somewhere. It's gotta be a t shirting here somewhere. 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:52.240 We got a good shirt coming up, because my body. Tommy, 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:55.280 he's in a Kyle Milken tournament. 1:57:55.520 --> 1:57:56.480 A tournament. 1:57:57.880 --> 1:57:58.800 Is this the blue collar. 1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:03.760 Wisconsin Listen, he's serious about man, they got a team 1:58:03.840 --> 1:58:06.280 there's prize money. You got to milk a wild cow? 1:58:06.440 --> 1:58:12.680 You got wild? Yes, now I know what You're just 1:58:12.760 --> 1:58:15.720 pictured him exercise in his hands. Man, you got to 1:58:15.800 --> 1:58:19.000 catch a cow and milk it. Yeah, those are pretty rowdy. 1:58:19.320 --> 1:58:20.400 That's a great turn to do that. 1:58:20.600 --> 1:58:23.280 That like rodeos, I think, right, you gotta get a 1:58:23.400 --> 1:58:24.080 drop of milk. 1:58:24.400 --> 1:58:26.840 So he's got a team and we're sponsoring his cow 1:58:26.960 --> 1:58:31.360 milking team. And then uh our artists, our artist did 1:58:31.400 --> 1:58:35.600 his team shirt Spencer. It's a gnome with a big 1:58:35.640 --> 1:58:38.560 old one of them old style bug jugs of milk 1:58:39.440 --> 1:58:44.440 riding a milk bucking milk and cow. And so Tommy 1:58:44.520 --> 1:58:46.680 needed five of them, but we made one hundred and five. 1:58:46.720 --> 1:58:47.880 We're gonna sell a hundred of them. 1:58:48.520 --> 1:58:49.000 One of those. 1:58:49.640 --> 1:58:50.720 I'm gonna sell ninety nine. 1:58:51.120 --> 1:58:51.840 I'm keeping one. 1:58:53.600 --> 1:58:57.600 Wouldn't have one if you got to, Well, we'll sell 1:58:57.640 --> 1:59:00.360 you one. Have something to sell here, all that's fair. 1:59:00.800 --> 1:59:02.520 Just give me some kind of a promo code, give 1:59:02.520 --> 1:59:04.400 me a deal we'll give you. 1:59:04.960 --> 1:59:06.600 Or if you trade me that five you know what 1:59:06.880 --> 1:59:09.080 that five that crazy five point Yeah, give me that. 1:59:09.200 --> 1:59:10.360 I'll give you that for a T shirt. 1:59:10.520 --> 1:59:12.240 Milking shirt. Yeah, I'll think about. 1:59:12.000 --> 1:59:16.560 It all right, Well, tell people how to find you. 1:59:16.800 --> 1:59:18.000 You stick around for trivia? 1:59:18.160 --> 1:59:20.160 Yeah? Have you ever listened to the trivia show? Yeah? 1:59:20.160 --> 1:59:22.720 I did one during hooton Nanny. I think your first 1:59:22.840 --> 1:59:27.640 light so yeah I did. Spencer hosted, Yeah, Spencer hosted. 1:59:27.640 --> 1:59:30.720 How'd you do? I think I got? I did? 1:59:30.760 --> 1:59:32.880 Okay it the first light store in Haley. 1:59:33.960 --> 1:59:35.920 How'd you do? I think I got four or five? Right, 1:59:35.960 --> 1:59:40.400 I think I maybe got second or third. So strong player. Yeah, 1:59:40.640 --> 1:59:41.760 I don't want to oversell it. 1:59:42.280 --> 1:59:44.760 You know, he's gonna he's gonna throw you a bone 1:59:45.680 --> 1:59:57.520 or a shed. Okay, good stuff. That's he's gonna throw 1:59:57.600 --> 2:00:01.000 you a bone a shed. I'm gonna say that during 2:00:01.000 --> 2:00:04.360 the trivia show, like it was my joke because it 2:00:04.440 --> 2:00:04.680 might be. 2:00:04.680 --> 2:00:05.560 Different people listening. 2:00:06.040 --> 2:00:08.240 Yeah, some people know I stole it, but I might 2:00:08.320 --> 2:00:10.720 catch a few that don't know, because I meet a 2:00:10.720 --> 2:00:12.640 lot of people in the airport and whatnot that just 2:00:12.760 --> 2:00:13.960 listen to the tribute show. 2:00:14.760 --> 2:00:16.800 Mm hmm taking over. 2:00:17.120 --> 2:00:21.000 Yeah, they're like you just like, oh my god, my 2:00:21.120 --> 2:00:24.840 boyfriend listens to the whole time. Drives me crazy stuff 2:00:24.880 --> 2:00:31.480 like that. But yeah, what was that joke? 2:00:31.840 --> 2:00:32.760 Oh, throw you a shed? 2:00:33.120 --> 2:00:34.160 But I don't know what it would be. 2:00:35.800 --> 2:00:37.680 How do you throw a shed hunter a bone in 2:00:37.760 --> 2:00:38.560 the tributa show? 2:00:38.760 --> 2:00:39.760 I'm sure we'll find out. 2:00:40.120 --> 2:00:42.000 Maybe it'll be something about like regulations. 2:00:42.400 --> 2:00:43.160 What state. 2:00:45.360 --> 2:00:47.560 It'll be like what state does not have a ton 2:00:47.600 --> 2:00:48.640 of excessive drinking? 2:00:49.120 --> 2:00:49.320 Yep? 2:00:49.680 --> 2:00:52.320 Probably like yeah, my home state. 2:00:52.440 --> 2:00:54.240 Yeah, I like to see that map. If they're talking 2:00:54.280 --> 2:00:56.840 about green yellow though, it would be a whole different story. 2:00:57.200 --> 2:00:58.920 Green yellowp uh huh. 2:00:59.120 --> 2:01:03.480 Yeah, Donta's number one and green jellow consumption, which is 2:01:03.600 --> 2:01:06.640 what like narrow jellow shot. No, no, this is no, 2:01:06.840 --> 2:01:10.760 there's no innuendo involved. I'm talking about actual jello jello. Yeah, 2:01:11.040 --> 2:01:13.880 I didn't know that. It was like, why do I 2:01:14.040 --> 2:01:16.400 like green jello? I don't know, man, I was just 2:01:16.440 --> 2:01:19.360 born there. That's something that we always eat. Huh. 2:01:19.720 --> 2:01:20.640 Do you hunt pretty hard? 2:01:20.960 --> 2:01:21.160 Yeah? 2:01:21.640 --> 2:01:22.920 Do you hunt more than you hunt shit? Do you 2:01:23.000 --> 2:01:25.280 hunt deer more? Or do you hunt animals more than sheds? 2:01:25.720 --> 2:01:27.160 Yeah? Probably now you do? 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:27.560 Well? 2:01:28.160 --> 2:01:29.680 Yeah. I used for a long time, No way, a 2:01:29.760 --> 2:01:33.720 long time. I would shed hunt maybe like fifty seventy 2:01:33.760 --> 2:01:35.920 five days a year and then just hunt my couple 2:01:36.000 --> 2:01:38.720 tags in Utah. Let me ask you this because. 2:01:38.480 --> 2:01:40.760 It's the true test all right, have you ever shed 2:01:40.840 --> 2:01:42.040 hunted deering hunting season? 2:01:42.120 --> 2:01:44.840 Oh yeah, yeah. There's a lot of times where like 2:01:45.360 --> 2:01:47.800 I'll start hunting and start glassing antlers and I'm like, 2:01:48.080 --> 2:01:50.040 screw it, I'm shed hunting now, and so I'll just 2:01:50.120 --> 2:01:53.160 go start walking ridges and picking up antlers. If I 2:01:53.200 --> 2:01:56.800 start finding sheds while I'm hunting, I drop interest in honting. 2:01:58.520 --> 2:02:01.480 But it's dedication, Yeah, edication, shedycation. 2:02:04.560 --> 2:02:06.560 How about this like shed heead like like you know, 2:02:06.640 --> 2:02:08.960 like like a grateful day, but it's like all those 2:02:08.960 --> 2:02:12.920 little rainbow bears, you know, but they're holding different sheds. Yeah, huh, 2:02:13.080 --> 2:02:14.280 you guys are that. 2:02:14.360 --> 2:02:16.920 I can tell you guys are new to the shed market. 2:02:17.000 --> 2:02:21.240 I can tell also, Yeah, that's completely original. Yeah. I 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:25.040 think you could find it on instolvent look it up 2:02:25.080 --> 2:02:25.920 Phil shed heads. 2:02:26.160 --> 2:02:27.720 All right, tell people how to find yourself. 2:02:27.960 --> 2:02:30.800 So you find me on Instagram at shed crazy all 2:02:30.880 --> 2:02:34.760 one word. Same with YouTube, shed Crazy And uh, you've 2:02:34.760 --> 2:02:37.560 got a lot of subscribers on YouTube. Yeah, it's like 2:02:37.640 --> 2:02:40.160 maybe thirty twenty five thirty thousand there. That's great. 2:02:40.360 --> 2:02:42.960 Yeah, how how often you drop video? 2:02:43.080 --> 2:02:44.920 I've been dropping two a week while I've been on 2:02:45.000 --> 2:02:46.200 this shed tour. 2:02:46.360 --> 2:02:47.760 So you got some fresh content. 2:02:47.840 --> 2:02:49.520 Oh yeah, there's a bunch. I think there's at least 2:02:49.840 --> 2:02:52.040 I think I'm totally up to date on the USA tour. 2:02:52.160 --> 2:02:54.520 So Sweeten, everything's live over there? 2:02:54.920 --> 2:02:56.280 Does that live under its own house? 2:02:56.760 --> 2:02:58.720 Not really, It's just all on my shed Crazy channel. 2:02:58.960 --> 2:03:00.600 I'll make a playlist for it so people can just 2:03:00.640 --> 2:03:04.680 binge those episodes if they want. But cool, that's great, 2:03:05.160 --> 2:03:07.000 Good luck man, Thank you. I appreciate it. 2:03:07.800 --> 2:03:09.400 Sure you don't want to ask for any hot tips 2:03:09.440 --> 2:03:10.440 any spot. 2:03:10.600 --> 2:03:15.120 I mean, I have a link on my Instagram that 2:03:15.200 --> 2:03:16.960 has like a Google form people can fill out, and 2:03:17.040 --> 2:03:19.960 it's a bunch of questions and like, you know, information. 2:03:20.720 --> 2:03:21.800 That's such a way. 2:03:22.000 --> 2:03:25.360 That was my wife's idea again, So it's a form 2:03:25.440 --> 2:03:27.320 they can go and fill. It's like a questionnaire basically 2:03:27.440 --> 2:03:29.440 like what state are you in? Like what kind of 2:03:29.560 --> 2:03:32.080 animals you know, like you know, shed hunts. What's your information? 2:03:32.200 --> 2:03:33.560 And then I can go through to the back end 2:03:33.600 --> 2:03:36.640 and read the responses and then contact people via phone 2:03:36.720 --> 2:03:39.040 or email off of their responses so. 2:03:39.120 --> 2:03:41.680 He doesn't get bombarded with random I. 2:03:41.800 --> 2:03:44.960 Understand now, yea, because I'm getting like hundreds of d 2:03:45.080 --> 2:03:47.040 MS people that come here, and I'm like, oh, sweet, yeah, 2:03:47.080 --> 2:03:48.920 for sure I will. But then they're so lost in 2:03:49.000 --> 2:03:51.440 the messages by the time, Oh I understand, I get there. 2:03:52.160 --> 2:03:54.880 So it's a big help. So check them out. 2:03:54.960 --> 2:03:57.280 Shed Crazy, your real name doesn't even matter. Bend out 2:03:57.280 --> 2:03:57.680 of money. 2:03:57.840 --> 2:04:01.520 Yep, nobody calls me. That calls me Shed what's your 2:04:01.520 --> 2:04:04.640 wife call you? I don't know, I can say it 2:04:04.680 --> 2:04:05.040 on the air. 2:04:07.320 --> 2:04:08.520 All right, man, thanks for coming on. 2:04:08.680 --> 2:04:09.200 Thank you guys. 2:04:09.200 --> 2:04:10.480 But yeah, if you want to have a laugh, go 2:04:10.600 --> 2:04:14.240 to Shed Crazy on Instagram. Super funny videos, no toughness, 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:20.480 no zero percent, just fun, just laughs, no tough all laughs. Yeah, 2:04:21.000 --> 2:04:22.000 all right man, thanks a lot. 2:04:27.880 --> 2:04:29.280 Rid On. 2:04:33.600 --> 2:04:40.320 On seal Gray shine like silver in the sun. 2:04:44.240 --> 2:04:51.760 Riright, rid On alone, sweetheart. 2:04:52.640 --> 2:04:57.600 We done beat this damn course to dad taking her 2:04:57.680 --> 2:05:08.360 new rid We're done beat this damn parsday. So take 2:05:08.440 --> 2:05:10.680 your new one and right on. 2:05:20.400 --> 2:05:24.400 Welcome to this country Life. I'm your host, Brent Rieves 2:05:25.160 --> 2:05:28.880 from coon hunting to trot lining and just general country living. 2:05:29.280 --> 2:05:31.240 I want you to stay a while as I share 2:05:31.320 --> 2:05:33.640 my stories and the country skills that will help you 2:05:33.800 --> 2:05:37.560 beat the system. This country Life is proudly presented as 2:05:37.600 --> 2:05:41.080 part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network, bringing you the best 2:05:41.160 --> 2:05:45.160 outdoor podcast the airways have to offer. All right, friends, 2:05:45.400 --> 2:05:48.280 pull you up a chair or drop that tailgate. I 2:05:48.360 --> 2:05:54.760 think I got a thing or two the teacher. The 2:05:54.880 --> 2:06:00.760 stuff we towed around in our pockets every day carry 2:06:00.920 --> 2:06:03.720 is a term I'm only recently familiar with, but one 2:06:03.800 --> 2:06:06.480 I've been practicing since my feet hit the ground in 2:06:06.520 --> 2:06:10.640 the mid sixties. Now that's only partially true because some 2:06:10.800 --> 2:06:13.640 of that time, at least initially, I was what was 2:06:13.720 --> 2:06:18.120 being toted around every day. But from my earliest memories 2:06:18.200 --> 2:06:20.920 of having breeches with pockets, I've had my go to 2:06:21.080 --> 2:06:24.000 items that I couldn't leave the crib without, especially after 2:06:24.080 --> 2:06:26.560 I got out of the actual crib. Now why is 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:29.280 this important because a man needs to be prepared. Well, 2:06:29.760 --> 2:06:33.520 that's partially true. The correct answer is we all need 2:06:33.600 --> 2:06:37.240 to be prepared and carry things we need, So feel 2:06:37.360 --> 2:06:43.160 free to interchange pocket with purse, backpack, satchel, briefcase, sock, brazier, 2:06:43.800 --> 2:06:46.640 or wherever you decide to cash something that you might 2:06:46.840 --> 2:06:50.280 need later. But what are these items? Are they there 2:06:50.360 --> 2:06:53.920 out of necessity and utility or are they simply there 2:06:54.000 --> 2:06:57.560 for nostalgia or maybe a little bit of both. I 2:06:57.680 --> 2:06:59.880 can't speak for yours, but I'm going to tell you 2:07:00.160 --> 2:07:03.000 all about mine. We're gonna talk about it in a minute, 2:07:03.080 --> 2:07:11.640 because first I'm gonna tell you a story. Mister Bill 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:16.920 Chancellor was attractor mechanic. He could more accurately be described 2:07:17.000 --> 2:07:21.160 as the tractor mechanic. Now, I'm not saying he was 2:07:21.200 --> 2:07:23.760 the only one around, because where I grew up, you 2:07:23.800 --> 2:07:26.240 couldn't swing a dead cat around more than once without 2:07:26.320 --> 2:07:29.360 hitting the tractor man. Regardless of where you were standing. 2:07:29.800 --> 2:07:33.040 There was lots of folks that were tractor mechanics. What 2:07:33.240 --> 2:07:36.280 I am saying is, if a tractor mechanic needed a 2:07:36.480 --> 2:07:40.240 tractor mechanic, he called mister Bill. Now, I can't remember 2:07:40.320 --> 2:07:42.800 where my dad got his tractor, but it wasn't in 2:07:42.880 --> 2:07:45.000 the best of shape, and he got a pretty good 2:07:45.080 --> 2:07:47.440 deal on it because of that. It was a thirty 2:07:47.520 --> 2:07:51.560 five horsepower massive Ferson and the red paint had long 2:07:51.680 --> 2:07:54.040 faded to a rust brown, and the gray color of 2:07:54.080 --> 2:07:57.000 the engine and the chassis that was all gone. There 2:07:57.120 --> 2:07:59.120 was a little paddent left in the seat, and the 2:07:59.200 --> 2:08:02.080 only thing left that identified it as a massive Ferguson 2:08:02.240 --> 2:08:04.800 was a sliver of one of the decals that was 2:08:04.880 --> 2:08:07.800 on the hood, but the plan was to help mister 2:08:07.960 --> 2:08:11.040 Bill rebuild it from the floor to the ceiling and 2:08:11.120 --> 2:08:14.120 mister Bill's shop. So whenever Dad got away from work 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:17.680 that summer, we worked on that tractor under the guidance 2:08:17.720 --> 2:08:22.440 of mister Bill. I was probably eleven or twelve and 2:08:22.560 --> 2:08:25.320 trying to make a track in every track my Daddy 2:08:25.400 --> 2:08:28.120 made at that time, And on this particular day we 2:08:28.240 --> 2:08:31.520 were nearing the completion of the tractor restoration that let 2:08:31.600 --> 2:08:35.280 me tell you that joker looked good. The engine had 2:08:35.360 --> 2:08:39.800 been completely overhauled. The paint was original Massy Ferguson red 2:08:39.840 --> 2:08:42.800 and gray paint. Mister Bill had replaced the decals with 2:08:42.920 --> 2:08:47.440 originals he'd gotten from the massive Ferguson headquarters. I remember 2:08:47.520 --> 2:08:50.360 exactly where I was standing, watching mister Bill as he 2:08:50.440 --> 2:08:53.240 adjusted something under the hood, and he asked my dad 2:08:53.320 --> 2:08:56.640 above the racket of the tractor. He said, Buddy, I 2:08:56.760 --> 2:09:00.320 can't reach my knife, let me borrow yours. I started 2:09:00.360 --> 2:09:03.160 looking around for mister Bill's knife because I knew my 2:09:03.320 --> 2:09:04.680 Dad was not about. 2:09:04.400 --> 2:09:05.000 To hand him his. 2:09:05.280 --> 2:09:08.240 When I see my Dad reaching his pocket and hand 2:09:08.320 --> 2:09:11.240 it to him, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 2:09:11.800 --> 2:09:14.240 I wasn't allowed to touch it, and here mister Bill 2:09:14.480 --> 2:09:17.480 was scraping and gallging on metal with all his might. 2:09:17.600 --> 2:09:18.480 I was shocked. 2:09:19.000 --> 2:09:21.560 That was a killing of fence. But my dad just 2:09:21.680 --> 2:09:25.080 looked on like nothing was happening, Like the previous eleven 2:09:25.200 --> 2:09:28.320 years of proper knife care instruction that he drilled into 2:09:28.360 --> 2:09:32.520 my head had never happened. That's a knife, not a screwdriver. 2:09:33.160 --> 2:09:36.640 That's a knife, not a hammer. And yet right before 2:09:36.760 --> 2:09:40.560 my eyes, I was watching mister Bill slap annihilate the 2:09:40.800 --> 2:09:45.240 edge off my father's case knife, which was the knife 2:09:45.680 --> 2:09:50.040 everyone who knew reeves was correctly spelled r EA and 2:09:50.200 --> 2:09:54.360 not re carried in their pocket. There were no exceptions. 2:09:54.960 --> 2:09:58.640 Dad got that pocket knife back and eventually we loaded 2:09:58.760 --> 2:10:01.480 up and we headed home. Now we ain't got out 2:10:01.480 --> 2:10:03.880 of the driveway when I said that I saw you 2:10:04.000 --> 2:10:07.280 had mister Bill your pocket knife. He kind of laughed 2:10:07.320 --> 2:10:10.520 and he said, son, you saw me hand him a 2:10:11.040 --> 2:10:14.360 pocket knife. He handed it to me. It wasn't a 2:10:14.440 --> 2:10:17.640 case I was a little confused. I said, I thought 2:10:17.720 --> 2:10:20.280 we only told the case knives. He said, we do, son, 2:10:21.000 --> 2:10:29.600 but we don't want them all right, every day carry 2:10:29.840 --> 2:10:34.040 e DC for short the stuff in your pocket or 2:10:34.120 --> 2:10:37.280 in my case pockets, because I got stuff in just 2:10:37.360 --> 2:10:40.360 about all of them. This is learned behavior from someone 2:10:40.480 --> 2:10:43.200 in my formative years, like my dad, my grandpa, my 2:10:43.280 --> 2:10:46.520 older brothers, folks I spent the most time hanging out with, 2:10:47.200 --> 2:10:50.160 which was exactly how they came about carrying the items 2:10:50.240 --> 2:10:54.080 in their pockets. Every male member of the Rhees family 2:10:54.480 --> 2:10:57.040 carries a case pocket knife. Now you ladies, hold on 2:10:57.200 --> 2:10:59.920 to you hate mail. My sister in law has a 2:11:00.080 --> 2:11:03.040 collection of them that would rival most museums. 2:11:03.640 --> 2:11:04.480 I kid you not. 2:11:05.360 --> 2:11:08.360 My wife doesn't tell one because she has me, but 2:11:08.480 --> 2:11:11.600 if she wanted to, she would, and I would make 2:11:11.640 --> 2:11:13.960 sure she had a good one. Now, I don't know 2:11:14.240 --> 2:11:17.640 what number of great grandpas it was that started this tradition, 2:11:18.240 --> 2:11:21.080 but I could testify that the Reeves family has been 2:11:21.160 --> 2:11:24.640 patrolled in Arkansas and removing with a knife all the 2:11:24.760 --> 2:11:27.800 parts of animals that don't taste good since before the 2:11:27.880 --> 2:11:31.640 Civil War and way before the case brothers got together 2:11:31.760 --> 2:11:34.960 in eighteen eighty nine and commenced to giving birth to 2:11:35.080 --> 2:11:38.440 what would become a staple in the Reeves boys every 2:11:38.600 --> 2:11:43.120 day carry the case pocket knife. Around nineteen twenty one 2:11:43.200 --> 2:11:46.800 of them jokers designed the trapper model, and that's the one. 2:11:47.800 --> 2:11:51.000 That knife has become a part of our identity. And 2:11:51.080 --> 2:11:53.280 you can bet one thing for sure. If you see 2:11:53.320 --> 2:11:55.760 one of us and need a knife, we got at 2:11:55.840 --> 2:11:58.880 least one. We ain't gonna let you borrow it. Just 2:11:59.040 --> 2:12:00.760 show us what you need, cut and get out of 2:12:00.800 --> 2:12:04.800 the way. Anyway. Let's start with the right front pocket 2:12:05.160 --> 2:12:11.720 of these American made round house overalls. Inside you'll find 2:12:11.760 --> 2:12:14.800 a case, pocket knife and a tuba chapstick. Now, some 2:12:15.040 --> 2:12:17.120 might say, why would a man told a pocket knife 2:12:17.160 --> 2:12:20.120 in twenty twenty three, Same reason he told one in 2:12:20.240 --> 2:12:23.919 six hundred BC, when the first folding knife was invented. 2:12:24.280 --> 2:12:27.280 Did I say six hundred BC? I sure did, because 2:12:27.360 --> 2:12:29.640 that's when some cat in Austria got tired of his 2:12:29.800 --> 2:12:32.440 wife hollering at him for poking holes in his breeches 2:12:32.880 --> 2:12:35.480 every time he put his knife back in his pocket. Now, 2:12:35.520 --> 2:12:37.560 I'm sure she had plenty of soul and to do 2:12:37.680 --> 2:12:40.400 without fixing his clothes every time he got finished skin 2:12:40.480 --> 2:12:43.320 in a mess of squirrel soap. He invented the folding 2:12:43.360 --> 2:12:47.360 pocket knife and marital bliss, and for at least twenty 2:12:47.440 --> 2:12:50.280 six hundred years a man that was prepared and ready 2:12:50.360 --> 2:12:53.040 to be a man has toaded a pocket knife and 2:12:53.280 --> 2:12:56.760 just think six hundred and one years after he invented it, 2:12:57.160 --> 2:13:00.280 say around one ad. I bet he was a most 2:13:00.320 --> 2:13:03.240 popular dadd in Austria when the tales of him setting 2:13:03.280 --> 2:13:06.080 around the tree cutting ribbons off of Christmas presents quicker 2:13:06.160 --> 2:13:09.880 than a hiccup way to gold Man in Austria, You, sir, 2:13:10.240 --> 2:13:13.440 are a legend. Now. If you're not prepared to answer 2:13:13.520 --> 2:13:15.880 the call when your wife hollers for you cut something 2:13:15.960 --> 2:13:20.480 for I wonder about your priorities and her judgment. At 2:13:20.520 --> 2:13:22.840 the beginning of our marriage, a lectis would say, Brent, 2:13:22.960 --> 2:13:25.880 do you have your knife? And my answer would usually 2:13:25.960 --> 2:13:29.680 reference a question about a bear's wilderness bathroom habits. Now 2:13:29.880 --> 2:13:33.839 years later, as she celebrates daily her lottery like husband, 2:13:33.920 --> 2:13:37.480 when it's a simple honey, cut this for me and bam, 2:13:37.920 --> 2:13:41.840 the deed is done, I'm always ready. A pocket knife 2:13:41.880 --> 2:13:45.240 can protect your family, skin your supper, help you build 2:13:45.280 --> 2:13:49.839 a shelter, open a package, perform surgery. The possible uses 2:13:50.000 --> 2:13:53.600 are endless. When you need one and have it, life 2:13:53.720 --> 2:13:56.640 is golden when you need one and don't. There's not 2:13:56.760 --> 2:14:00.280 a more helpless feeling. This is normally where I in 2:14:00.360 --> 2:14:02.840 a story about how I got in a bind one 2:14:02.920 --> 2:14:05.560 time and needed a knife and didn't have one. I 2:14:05.640 --> 2:14:08.720 can't do that, you know why, because I ain't never 2:14:08.840 --> 2:14:11.760 been with that one, except when we go to airport's 2:14:11.880 --> 2:14:15.640 concerts and different places now where you can't tote one. 2:14:16.240 --> 2:14:18.440 I can't tell you how many times I'll pat my 2:14:18.600 --> 2:14:21.360 pocket for the knife that ain't there, and the short 2:14:21.440 --> 2:14:24.720 lived panic that startles me till I realized I didn't 2:14:24.760 --> 2:14:27.480 bring it with me on purpose, which reminds me of 2:14:27.560 --> 2:14:30.040 a time when me and Clay Nukem we're catching a 2:14:30.120 --> 2:14:33.680 flight out of northwest Arkansas. We were headed for British 2:14:33.720 --> 2:14:36.720 Columbia on a bear hunt, and it's not a big airport, 2:14:36.800 --> 2:14:39.880 but the security folks there are just as observant and 2:14:40.040 --> 2:14:42.600 dedicated to doing their job and making things safe for 2:14:42.720 --> 2:14:46.200 all of us. Fortunately, we were in Arkansas and not 2:14:46.360 --> 2:14:48.960 some big city airport when the X ray man found 2:14:49.000 --> 2:14:52.240 the skinny knife and Clay Bow's carry on. Apparently our 2:14:52.320 --> 2:14:55.400 clothes and our gear leaned more toward a couple of 2:14:55.480 --> 2:14:58.840 hunters than a couple of fellows with nefarious intentions. We 2:14:59.040 --> 2:15:02.160 called Misty. She came and picked up the knife. The 2:15:02.280 --> 2:15:05.680 TSA guy was cool about it. Besides, we had several 2:15:05.800 --> 2:15:09.080 others legally packed and secured in our luggage. We wound 2:15:09.200 --> 2:15:11.240 up not needing the skin a knife anyway, But that's 2:15:11.240 --> 2:15:12.320 a different story. 2:15:15.440 --> 2:15:15.840 All right. 2:15:16.320 --> 2:15:19.280 Pocket knife covered that one pretty well, at least till 2:15:19.280 --> 2:15:21.600 we get to the other pocket. But until we do, 2:15:22.440 --> 2:15:26.320 what else is in the old right front pocket? Chapstick? 2:15:27.000 --> 2:15:29.960 Now here's a disclaimer down here. We call lip bomb 2:15:30.080 --> 2:15:33.840 chapstick regardless of the brand, but we never call it 2:15:34.080 --> 2:15:37.280 lip bomb. Hey, I don't make the rules. I just 2:15:37.440 --> 2:15:41.640 live bomb. That's the end of the disclaimer. Chapstick. Not 2:15:41.840 --> 2:15:45.280 much you can say about that. Sure you can. You 2:15:45.360 --> 2:15:47.640 can dive it on a cut to help stop bleeding. 2:15:48.280 --> 2:15:51.240 You can use it to moisturize dry skin. Heck, you 2:15:51.320 --> 2:15:53.680 can even use it to help with building a fire 2:15:53.880 --> 2:15:57.120 and keep you from having chapped lips. My dad told 2:15:57.160 --> 2:15:58.640 me a joke when I was a kid about an 2:15:58.640 --> 2:16:01.440 old cowboy that rode into town from out on the range. 2:16:01.720 --> 2:16:03.800 Instead of rushing into the sloan to get him a 2:16:03.840 --> 2:16:06.600 cold drink, he hitched his horse up and pulled a 2:16:06.640 --> 2:16:09.320 brush out of his saddle and started brushing itself off. 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:11.840 The mayor of the town was watching him as the 2:16:12.360 --> 2:16:15.760 cowboy cleaned up as best he could, straightened his clothes, 2:16:16.200 --> 2:16:18.880 washed his hands in the trough, and tucked his shirt in. 2:16:19.720 --> 2:16:22.320 The mayor was impressed and started walking toward him and 2:16:22.520 --> 2:16:25.120 welcomed him to the town. When the cowboy walked around 2:16:25.200 --> 2:16:27.520 to the back of the horse, poked his finger and 2:16:27.600 --> 2:16:30.520 the horses behind, and rubbed it on his lips, the 2:16:30.680 --> 2:16:34.000 mayor was shocked, but he welcomed him anyway, and he said, 2:16:34.000 --> 2:16:37.200 I appreciate you cleaning up when you got here. We 2:16:37.360 --> 2:16:39.640 got a lovely little town and we want to keep 2:16:39.680 --> 2:16:42.200 it that way. But man, I only got one question. 2:16:43.160 --> 2:16:45.760 Why did you poke your horses behind and rub it 2:16:45.840 --> 2:16:49.320 on your lips. The old cowboy looked at him and said, 2:16:49.360 --> 2:16:51.920 my lips are chapped, and the mayor said, oh, what 2:16:52.080 --> 2:16:54.360 is that cure? And the cowboy said no, but it 2:16:54.520 --> 2:16:57.960 keeps me from licking them and making it worse. Told 2:16:58.080 --> 2:17:00.920 some chapstick with you. It's smaller and a horse cheaper 2:17:00.959 --> 2:17:04.800 to feed, and there's no bad aftertaste. The right front 2:17:04.879 --> 2:17:10.840 pocket is done, so what's an old lefty? The loaner 2:17:10.920 --> 2:17:14.120 pocket knife, a buckeye and a sack at your wheel 2:17:14.200 --> 2:17:17.480 one dollar coin. The loner knife is for your friend 2:17:17.560 --> 2:17:20.680 that doesn't carry one but finds himself in the need 2:17:20.760 --> 2:17:23.520 of one on occasion, which is the very reason you 2:17:23.640 --> 2:17:27.320 tote one to begin with. And if he doesn't tote one, 2:17:27.640 --> 2:17:30.280 he ain't got enough sense not to use your good 2:17:30.320 --> 2:17:33.360 one in a manner that it wasn't designed. All these 2:17:33.440 --> 2:17:35.600 things I'm about to say now go slap out the 2:17:35.640 --> 2:17:38.080 window and in its emergency, when it's life and death, 2:17:38.480 --> 2:17:42.440 nothing else matters. However, when it ain't and you need 2:17:42.520 --> 2:17:45.720 a wire cut, a screw tightened, or a pry bar, 2:17:46.400 --> 2:17:49.000 don't look at me and ask to borrow my pocket knife. 2:17:49.480 --> 2:17:53.960 It's something to be respected, taken care of, maintained, and 2:17:54.160 --> 2:17:57.800 sharpened regularly, because a dull one is of no service 2:17:57.879 --> 2:18:00.520 to anyone. Now, I'm not gonna tell you what the 2:18:00.600 --> 2:18:03.480 brand of my loneer pocket knife is because it don't matter. 2:18:04.160 --> 2:18:04.920 It ain't a case. 2:18:05.520 --> 2:18:08.160 It's a well made pocket knife, I assure you. But 2:18:08.280 --> 2:18:10.600 I'm talking about what's in my pockets and what I 2:18:10.840 --> 2:18:13.640 like the best. You may hate case pocket knives and 2:18:13.760 --> 2:18:16.640 like something totally different. I don't care. That's fine with me. 2:18:17.080 --> 2:18:18.600 But you ought to be in jail if you do. 2:18:19.200 --> 2:18:22.800 Just kidding, not really. What about that sack of jewee 2:18:22.879 --> 2:18:25.240 a one dollar coin, Well, I can tell you it 2:18:25.360 --> 2:18:28.800 was minted in two thousand. Monetarily it's worth whatever a 2:18:28.879 --> 2:18:31.680 dollarbile value. But my wife gave it to me. And 2:18:31.760 --> 2:18:34.280 if you don't know who sack of jewel is, do 2:18:34.480 --> 2:18:37.160 yourself a favor and look her up, or better yet, 2:18:37.680 --> 2:18:41.920 read Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose. That book is thicker 2:18:41.959 --> 2:18:44.560 than a cathead biscuit, but worth the effort and just 2:18:44.680 --> 2:18:48.600 as ease to digest. She was an invaluable guide and 2:18:48.720 --> 2:18:51.520 interpreter that helped Lewis and Clark find their way across 2:18:51.560 --> 2:18:54.520 the wilderness and back when our country was young and 2:18:54.640 --> 2:18:57.600 we didn't know our behinds from fifteen cents about anything 2:18:57.680 --> 2:19:00.680 west to Saint Louis. The coin serves is a symbol 2:19:00.760 --> 2:19:03.080 from my wife to me that when I'm out on 2:19:03.160 --> 2:19:05.640 a hunt or a long journey, that I can always 2:19:05.720 --> 2:19:09.400 find my way home. She's my Sackagey will. She's a 2:19:09.400 --> 2:19:11.880 whole lot more, but she's not much on skin and 2:19:11.920 --> 2:19:14.800 stuff though, and I have a feeling Sackagey we was anyway, 2:19:15.200 --> 2:19:16.120 That's why I told it. 2:19:20.040 --> 2:19:20.600 The buckeye. 2:19:20.879 --> 2:19:23.600 If you've listened to any of the Bear Grease Render 2:19:23.720 --> 2:19:27.600 podcast you may have heard me mention it. I'll tell 2:19:27.600 --> 2:19:30.840 you about this particular one in a minute. First, I 2:19:31.000 --> 2:19:32.879 want to talk about why you'd have one. 2:19:32.959 --> 2:19:33.480 To begin with. 2:19:34.600 --> 2:19:39.040 Esculus pavia, commonly referred to as the red buckeye, that 2:19:39.200 --> 2:19:41.960 is the most prominent variety of the two known grove 2:19:42.080 --> 2:19:46.240 to Arkansas. It produces a nut, which is actually the seed, 2:19:46.360 --> 2:19:49.760 and it grows in a pod that matures in late summer. Now, 2:19:49.800 --> 2:19:51.840 folks have been toting them in their pockets for luck 2:19:51.920 --> 2:19:55.280 for generations. There's an old saying that when you'll never 2:19:55.400 --> 2:19:57.640 find a dead man with a buck eye in his pocket. 2:19:58.080 --> 2:19:58.200 Now. 2:19:58.200 --> 2:19:59.880 I don't know if that's because you don't find a 2:20:00.000 --> 2:20:02.240 a lot of dead men laying around, or because it 2:20:02.280 --> 2:20:04.959 wouldn't be too cool to peel for through their clothes 2:20:05.040 --> 2:20:08.039 if you did, my family, close friends, and I would 2:20:08.080 --> 2:20:10.200 give them to each other as tokens of good luck 2:20:10.280 --> 2:20:13.800 for hunting. Somewhere in our families passed it was dictated 2:20:13.879 --> 2:20:16.200 that one hunter had to give it to another for 2:20:16.360 --> 2:20:18.920 it to work. You couldn't just find one and put 2:20:18.959 --> 2:20:21.160 it in your pocket and reap the benefits. That ain't 2:20:21.200 --> 2:20:21.879 how that works. 2:20:22.520 --> 2:20:22.640 Now. 2:20:22.640 --> 2:20:26.160 I'm not superstitious at all. I just firmly believe that 2:20:26.280 --> 2:20:27.760 if I was to lose the one I got in 2:20:27.840 --> 2:20:30.720 my pocket, that I wouldn't never have another successful hunt. 2:20:31.000 --> 2:20:32.920 The one I have I've been caring for close to 2:20:33.000 --> 2:20:35.560 ten years, and it means a lot to me. First 2:20:35.640 --> 2:20:38.120 time I met Old Clay Bow, he'd ask me to 2:20:38.200 --> 2:20:40.400 come film a bear hunt for him in the Washtall 2:20:40.480 --> 2:20:43.600 Mountains in Arkansas. He and the majority of his youngest 2:20:43.640 --> 2:20:45.880 took me around where he grew up hunting, and we 2:20:46.000 --> 2:20:48.400 wound up on a mountain in the area and I 2:20:48.640 --> 2:20:51.720 saw a buckeye bush. I told him the story of 2:20:51.800 --> 2:20:55.160 how my family traded them back and forth and handed 2:20:55.240 --> 2:20:57.640 him one, and in return, he gave one to me. 2:20:58.760 --> 2:21:01.440 I'm still toting it to this day, and I have 2:21:01.800 --> 2:21:05.880 every day since that hunt nearly ten years ago. Clay's 2:21:05.920 --> 2:21:08.240 always amazed when he asked about it and I take 2:21:08.280 --> 2:21:09.720 it out of my pocket and show it to me. 2:21:10.440 --> 2:21:12.200 He told me he lost the one I gave him 2:21:12.240 --> 2:21:14.720 before we got off the mountain that day. He didn't 2:21:14.760 --> 2:21:18.360 kill a bear that year either. The incidence we'll never 2:21:18.480 --> 2:21:26.840 know for sure, but no absolutely not a coincidence. In 2:21:26.959 --> 2:21:29.640 the bill of my overalls. On the right side, I 2:21:29.800 --> 2:21:34.040 carried my billfold all my folding money. Inside that bill 2:21:34.120 --> 2:21:37.880 fold is a five centennial quarter, a quarter minuted in 2:21:38.040 --> 2:21:41.680 nineteen seventy six. My dad had jars full of them, so, 2:21:41.840 --> 2:21:45.440 along with everything else that's part of my uniform, I 2:21:45.560 --> 2:21:48.200 told one of those in remembrance of him. Until I 2:21:48.280 --> 2:21:52.400 started thinking about all my everyday carry items to tell 2:21:52.440 --> 2:21:56.080 you all about, I never really seen how much connection 2:21:56.200 --> 2:21:58.680 there was to the memories of my family who passed away, 2:21:59.120 --> 2:22:02.040 But now I do, and talking about each one of 2:22:02.120 --> 2:22:05.920 them makes me smile. I've always fancied a good pocket watch, 2:22:06.160 --> 2:22:08.640 and on one Father's Day, my wife and little girl 2:22:08.720 --> 2:22:12.360 Bailey gave me one. It came all the way from London, England, 2:22:12.440 --> 2:22:15.240 and it keeps time like a man possessed. It has 2:22:15.320 --> 2:22:18.720 a decorative silver coon attached to a short chain on 2:22:18.800 --> 2:22:20.640 the other end that hangs on the outside of the 2:22:20.680 --> 2:22:24.240 bill by overalls. Now for all those that have a 2:22:24.320 --> 2:22:28.160 pair of overalls, real overalls, and you never quite figured 2:22:28.160 --> 2:22:30.440 out what that slit was above the bill of the 2:22:30.520 --> 2:22:34.160 pockets and the small hidden pocket sewing into the scene 2:22:34.400 --> 2:22:36.280 on the bib. If you didn't know what that was for, 2:22:37.320 --> 2:22:40.800 stand by for news. It's for your pocket watch chain 2:22:41.360 --> 2:22:45.280 and your pocket watch. The watch is obviously for telling time, 2:22:45.400 --> 2:22:47.760 but the fob tells everyone a little bit about you. 2:22:48.520 --> 2:22:51.480 It makes a statement without making one. I like to 2:22:51.560 --> 2:22:54.160 think that when folks see mind It, they see a 2:22:54.240 --> 2:22:57.400 country boy that's proud of where he came from, proud 2:22:57.400 --> 2:22:59.760 of the folks he raised him, and even more proud 2:22:59.840 --> 2:23:03.400 to share these stories. Thank you so much for listening. 2:23:03.800 --> 2:23:06.640 If you like it, share it with your friends. Maybe 2:23:06.680 --> 2:23:11.200 they'll like it too. And hey, beat the system. Talk 2:23:11.280 --> 2:23:14.680 to pocket knives, keep the good one for yourself, along 2:23:14.760 --> 2:23:17.920 the other ones to your friends. This is Brent Reeves 2:23:18.000 --> 2:23:18.560 signing off. 2:23:19.560 --> 2:23:20.279 Y'all be careful