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Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, stay longer. All right, good lord,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about. Should we start with

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Speaker 1: introducing our guests. We're talking about Phil's new haircut.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: People get more conservative the older they get generally, not always,

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Speaker 1: but generally, and that's happening to Phil with his hair.

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Speaker 3: Because my hair is getting more like militaristic.

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Speaker 1: He pretty soon is gonna have a flat top.

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Speaker 3: That's what my grandpa died with. So it's only a

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Speaker 3: matter of time.

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Speaker 1: He's gradually going flat top. And Chester got a ball

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Speaker 1: sack tattooed to his arm. No, can I see it again?

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Speaker 1: Oh No, that's been there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you if they would just close this

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Speaker 2: upright there, it would be because like for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah you could have. I mean, if you've got

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Speaker 1: like the wrinkles, and if he got even a little

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Speaker 1: bit drunk, well, if you gave me a tattue gun,

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Speaker 1: I could turn it into a c and.

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Speaker 4: B wow, was the first time I heard that.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to think of how to keep a

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Speaker 1: family family friend would still be clear?

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Speaker 5: Just so everybody knows, it is, in fact, not a

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Speaker 5: ball sack.

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Speaker 2: It's a proof of sex tattoo. And it's a proof

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Speaker 5: It is all right. It's an old like spade fly,

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Speaker 5: like a steelhead, like a swing and fly swinging.

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Speaker 4: All right, I got through this material.

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Speaker 1: All right, Oh Chester, I've seen that tattoo a thousand times,

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Speaker 1: but I just didn't see it that way.

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Speaker 3: Now you can't un see it.

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Speaker 5: Did you know what it was?

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Speaker 1: I've always known, But then when someone when you said

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Speaker 1: what your sister thought it was, then I looked at

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Speaker 1: it all anew.

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Speaker 5: Because when my arms down like this, you know, kind

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Speaker 5: of can I is?

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Speaker 1: Can I get a pen? Can I give it a

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Speaker 1: couple of little Can I give it a couple of

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Speaker 1: little hairs?

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Speaker 2: Just to see? What? Like? The only one we have

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Speaker 2: What kind of fly is that?

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Speaker 5: It's just like you know those like spade flies, those

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Speaker 5: fancy feathered flies that people tie up with a guinea hen.

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Speaker 5: And it's one of them. Danielle and I were in

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Speaker 1: Did the Hawaiian know what that was?

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Speaker 5: He's like, oh that's cool, and then he had.

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Speaker 1: A little snicker with his buddies in the back.

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Speaker 3: Yea tourists.

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Speaker 1: I love that tattooed Chester. I think Chess has also

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Speaker 1: got an arrow tattooed up and down his arm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not really proportional. My mom hates that one.

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Speaker 5: It's like a crossbow bolt.

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Speaker 2: With the giants.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's got a lot fletching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's got to fly on the other arm.

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Speaker 1: What you got a trap on the other arm?

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Speaker 5: No, I should should.

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Speaker 1: I did a big old double long spring on there.

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Speaker 1: Joined today by Ben dettamante am I saying that, right,

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Speaker 1: you did you nail it. You guys are Italian, you know.

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Speaker 2: I like to say I'm one hundred percent Italian, although

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Speaker 1: Did you know I'm ten times more African than Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: I say, count it. I'd be putting that on two

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Speaker 2: That's a good place. We're from Lake Como apparently.

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Speaker 1: Oh really so you go by?

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Speaker 1: I know this because on your social media stuff shed crazy?

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Speaker 1: Tell people about that. You know you're not like crazy

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Speaker 2: Sometimes? I don't get picked like sick of finding sheds,

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, but you you retired from being a custodian.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that, yeah, in order to in

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I left an illustrious career as a custodian to

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Speaker 1: And right now it's like, you should not be here

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sacrificing some prime real estate, some prime time

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Speaker 1: I found a shed yesterday, but then I realized I'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you refound my dog.

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Speaker 1: Because my dog carried it off and I thought I

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Speaker 2: It's probably just as exciting though, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, another thing you know we like to If

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Speaker 1: of our new podcast, This Country Life with Brent Reeves.

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Speaker 1: It's the it's really really good it's really funny. I driving,

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Speaker 3: It called, Phil, the stuff in my pockets?

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Speaker 1: The stuff in my I was gonna say, what's in

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Speaker 1: and put it in this feed. Phil, you think about that.

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Speaker 1: of the show. Gordon Lightfoot passed away.

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Speaker 2: One of the greats.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, the legend lives on inarguably.

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Speaker 1: Inarguably he wrote the greatest song of all time, the

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Speaker 1: Record of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Interestingly, if you go on Spotify,

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Speaker 1: the record the Edmund Fitzgerald has this is just one measure,

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Speaker 1: okay on the album Summertime Dream. The Record of the

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Speaker 3: This is nineteen seventy six. So he wrote it right out.

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Speaker 1: that is not the greatest song ever written by Man

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Speaker 2: And it's catchier like to the mainstream too, is it?

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Speaker 1: It's been sampled?

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Speaker 1: Like movies and stuff sundown. Oh yeah, it's been sampled,

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Speaker 1: and I think, like, wasn't it like P Diddy? What

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Speaker 1: the hell's his name?

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Speaker 2: Is that what he goes by these days? Right?

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Speaker 1: Now the wreck for you, for you folk, Phil, Let's

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Speaker 1: queue up the part where he talks about Lake Michigan,

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Speaker 1: because there's a part and this is always spoke to

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Speaker 1: me because I grew up on Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan

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Speaker 1: steams like a young man's dreams, Her islands and bays

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Speaker 1: are for sportsmen. Well, he he what he does in

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Speaker 1: his song. He does a comparison contrasts between all the

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Speaker 1: Michigan is Lake Michigan steams like young man's dreams, Her

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Speaker 5: That's a good line.

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Speaker 1: That's great, which makes it seem like it's like a

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Speaker 8: In the rooms of her Icewater mansion, Michigan steams like

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Speaker 2: I would like to get Gord's carcass.

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Speaker 1: It's not too late. I'm assuming.

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Speaker 1: I would like to get Gord's carcass, get that same

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Speaker 1: well you weighed it down.

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Speaker 2: Last thing's light foot. He might just that it's a good.

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Speaker 1: Joke, just like he's a three good jokes.

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Speaker 1: If I had jokes, good yours, I'd say, I'm super loud.

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Speaker 1: Oh so rest piece, I gotta do a cover of that.

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Speaker 1: Oh you should have Dandy Warhol's covered it seven minutes.

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Speaker 1: That's the third thing I want to add. It got

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Speaker 1: was a song? Was this three and a half minutes long? Okay,

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Speaker 1: verse chorus, verse, chorus, bridge chorus. It was like love

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Speaker 5: I can't funny thing you're saying that I wrote a

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Speaker 3: Oh bridges are Chester Chait put a bridge in it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah now and then something slips through the cracks. You

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Speaker 1: that's the greatest song ever written, Tonight we rides the

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Speaker 1: my book, great detail, that's my favorite song. Pancho Villa

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. It's a great song. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: we should make a playlist, Phil, we can do that.

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Speaker 3: You made a playlist for the live show that you

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Speaker 2: That's how you push a horse hard.

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Speaker 1: He says when he catches he was going to catch

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Speaker 2: Shoot his horse. Yet they laywise in this twenty seven

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Speaker 1: He observes that you don't need no teeth for kissing

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's back.

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Speaker 1: When they could write rest in peace, Gordon, rest in peace.

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Speaker 1: Maybe even better than dumping them over the ship, was

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Speaker 2: Suit for that.

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Speaker 6: I'm surprised there's no life down there. Yeah, that's that

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Speaker 1: So, if Gord's family's listening, think about this, or you

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Speaker 2: See that thing we got.

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Speaker 1: You know that artillery shell we got down there? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: put his ashes in there. Put a bunch of melted

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Speaker 6: They could use that artillery shell if they wanted.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know what you should do?

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Speaker 1: I got it now, Phil, We're gonna wrap it up

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Speaker 2: Then you got to ring it one time for him

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Speaker 1: Chime to the ring one time Gordon for the for

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Speaker 3: If you didn't end up in a family plots to you,

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Speaker 1: I know exactly where I want it. Yeah, I've told

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to be quartered out hauled

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Speaker 5: Who's packing the head.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter me. It'll be out to my kids,

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Speaker 2: near green burrial. We burned a lot of time, up, Krinn.

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Speaker 4: We can cut half of the talking points.

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Speaker 2: What was a few things here?

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Speaker 6: There's some great stuff in here.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting. Okay, here's the deal. You guys are

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Speaker 1: all familiar with Saxon Pope, Pope and Young. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know this. So Saxon Pope had a book, Hunting

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Speaker 1: with the Bow and Arrow nineteen forty seven. Now, Krinin

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Speaker 1: if I'm understanding this is in Saxon Pope's book. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so Saxon Pope and what was Young's first name?

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Speaker 2: You remember him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Saxon Pope and Art Young, two early archers.

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Speaker 1: What's kind of funny about archerie today is people talk

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Speaker 1: took a long high like traditional archery took off, took

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Speaker 1: Horn in eighteen seventy six, they were still well at

441
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Speaker 1: the Federman Fight, which is sixty three eighteen sixty three.

442
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: I think it was the Federman Fight sixty three or

443
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: sixty four. Primarily bows. The Sioux involved in that fight

444
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: when they killed they called it the Battle of one

445
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: hundred in the Hand because they killed about one hundred

446
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Speaker 1: cavalry soldiers primarily with archery equipment. You get to eighteen

447
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: seventy six battle a Little Big Horn, they killed several

448
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: hundred soldiers, still using bows. Primarily guns at that point,

449
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: still some archery stuff though, and it had like a

450
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: strategic advantage because they would use their bows. You could

451
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: shoot people without seeing them because you could just lib arrows.

452
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: They would lib arrows. So if you were like dug

453
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: into little holes, they might have guns, but they could

454
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: just lob arrows up and just land arrows down on

455
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: things that were in holes or out of sight. But

456
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: then it was by nineteen hundred people weren't using bows,

457
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: so it took a big break. And then you get

458
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Speaker 1: into the forties and then dudes like Saxon Pope kind

459
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: of like reinvigorate rediscovery, rediscover archery hunting. Sax And Pope

460
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Speaker 1: has this story in his book. I had no idea,

461
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't I haven't read this. He's talking about Humboldt County.

462
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: People that like to smoke a lot of weed know

463
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: that place. There was an old settler named Pete Blueford.

464
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: Now they use a derogatory term that was very common

465
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: anytime you're reading books from the term. There's a term

466
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: you see all the time in old books called a

467
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: squaw man, and a squawman is a derogatory term for

468
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: like it'd be a derogatory term for a white person.

469
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: If a white man married a Native American woman and

470
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: lived with her family or lived in her village, he

471
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Speaker 1: became not Bob or Doug. He became a squawman. That

472
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: was his defining characteristic. So he's talking about a man

473
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: who he's using the term a squawman, which means a

474
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: white man was married to a Native American woman. This

475
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: fella shot a female grizzly with cubs within a quarter

476
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: of a mile from what is now Blocksburg in Humboldt County.

477
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: It mauled him real good, tore his abdomen open, pulled

478
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: his guts out. His buddy's sewing back together. He lives

479
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: many years afterward. Now, when the guy was sewing him up,

480
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: there was a large glob of fat protruding from the incision,

481
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: and you couldn't get it tucked in right.

482
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: He later greased his boots with it.

483
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 6: Wow with his wonder how.

484
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: Rendered down his own belly fat and greased his boots.

485
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: That is waste, not want not.

486
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I when I'm talking, when I'm explained why

487
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: I love America, That's why I love America. That's why

488
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: America is my number one favorite country. No, I like that,

489
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, bald eagles and belly fat Gordon Lightfoot's country

490
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: would probably be a distant third for me.

491
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Speaker 4: That's pretty grotesque though.

492
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Speaker 2: That's why I refuse to lose weight. Like you never know,

493
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: and you're gonna need a little boot grease, you know,

494
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: to come in handy.

495
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: You could, Yeah, you could grease a handful of boots.

496
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: I thought he was going to render it and like

497
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 5: cook something minute me too.

498
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: That's where I thought it was going.

499
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: That that would have been see, that would have been

500
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: just that's just gross.

501
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

502
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Still after our this guy, someone wrote in, so we

503
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: still get a lot of notes about gators from our

504
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: Gator podcast, and I remember one guy wrote in that

505
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: he loved hearing, he loved hearing all of you Northerners

506
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: get real excited about alligator fast. So this guy writes in,

507
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed your podcast, especially the recent episode and alligators.

508
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: He's a private lands biologist in southeastern North Carolina. Part

509
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: of his role includes handling nuisance gator issues. Oh, Crintis

510
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: this morning sent me photos of them pulling human parts

511
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: the gator.

512
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another a gap.

513
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Have those been on the internet.

514
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I thought about posting, but that seems like a good

515
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: way to get your account taken away.

516
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's old. Yeah that happened. I forget what year

517
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 4: it was.

518
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I told you about when I was in fifth grade.

519
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: The teacher brought in pictures of her boyfriend's remains removed

520
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: from a crocodile. What's interesting is another alum from Rhese

521
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: Puffer rode in to say, dude, I had the same teacher,

522
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: same grade. She showed me the same pictures.

523
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: Wow, He's like, you.

524
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: Weren't wrong, because you weren't remembering wrong. She showed me

525
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: those pictures.

526
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: That's I never thought.

527
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: So she kept her job for a while.

528
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: We know that for sure.

529
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: We used to fish wally dogs right out in front

530
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: of her house. She lived on the Muskegon River.

531
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Speaker 3: Swamp as she sings pasted.

532
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, was it pictures like what we saw? I

533
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: mean basically, it's like a gator's belly open and you

534
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: see like an entire you know, it looked like it

535
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 4: just looks like your arm. It wasn't digested because it

536
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: was so he sent like an arm. It's like it's

537
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 4: like someone someone who is retrieving the arm from the belly.

538
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: It's almost like he's like holding the hand of the

539
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: severed arm.

540
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: Hand was.

541
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Just someone pulling it like an arm.

542
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 6: What's the story behind it?

543
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: It was just there was an attack.

544
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh okay, last summer, this guy goes on. You know

545
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: what it reminded Seeing that photo reminded me of and

546
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm still traumatized from it. I don't know if I

547
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: ever told you the story.

548
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: Here, I'll show it to everyone else so they get traumatized.

549
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, I watched them pull

550
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: remains from an airplane wreck.

551
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: Oh what if you don't know that he's not alive

552
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: in there, like maybe she's just helping him out, like

553
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: he's he's like, get me out of here.

554
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: He's But then there's another picture of you know, like

555
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: the person lying there without there.

556
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: This guy goes on. Last summer, I found an entire

557
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: barred owl and a recently consumed turtle inside of a

558
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: seven footer that turned up dead at a golf course

559
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: after being killed by a larger gator. They had a

560
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: GPS alligator swallow a basketball and that slowly starved to death.

561
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: It took it multiple years to starve to death. That

562
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: same alligator also had a six inch arrow shaft embedded

563
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: in its skull behind the eyes that likely altered its vision.

564
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 5: Jeez, I wonder how did it get a bard owl?

565
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: You know, my here's my theory on it. After I

566
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: thought long and hard about it. That owl was laying

567
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: there dead in the water.

568
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: That's what I thought most probably.

569
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember on a recent episode we were talking

570
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: about them having those gators mummies, the Egyptians having two

571
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: thousand year old gator mummies. That gator mummy has thirty

572
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: one crocodiles in it. It had a five point five

573
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: foot croc and thirty kroc babies, all embalmed and positions

574
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: so as to appear riding on the larger individual's back.

575
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 6: Wow.

576
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: In the antiquities, there's a term called the provenance might

577
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: saying that right provenance, meaning like, let's say I came

578
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: to you and I said, hey, check this out. I

579
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: actually own the Mona Lisa. People will be like, well,

580
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 1: I'd like to understand the provenance of that, meaning how

581
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: did it flow from the louver to you.

582
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: Steve's actually a very successful harder. Yeah.

583
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety nine, Phoebe Hurst of the Hers family, right,

584
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: she bought it from an antiquities dealer in Egypt. Now,

585
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: so we were wandering in there. They said, how there

586
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: was a fish hook in there, and we're like, what

587
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of fish hook? And why would it not have corroded?

588
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: They believe it was a bronze hook, is how they

589
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: caught that thing. So people in Egypt two thousand years

590
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: ago fishing gators of bronze hooks.

591
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's less susceptible to corrosion than copper and contemporary

592
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 4: forms of iron and steel, says this archaeologist. And yeah,

593
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: bronze would have been consistent with contemporary fishing fish hook

594
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: manufacturers at that time, even well into the iron Age.

595
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: Here's a story from Minnesota. Oh you'll appreciate this, Ben,

596
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: all right, Ready, guy in Minnesota was living near a

597
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: registered sex offender.

598
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: Oh, let me just do the transition. This guy who

599
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 4: wrote in about the Gator Mummy is shared this story

600
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: because his parents live in this town where it happened,

601
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 4: and he didn't he doesn't. He didn't bring it up

602
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: with his parents or ask around because it's a small

603
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: town so everyone knows everyone. So this story comes from

604
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: the same guy who just wrote in about the crack Mummy.

605
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: So he has eclectic interests.

606
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 4: Yes, very much. It's a very interesting email. You know,

607
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: you don't expect the second part of the email after

608
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 4: reading the first.

609
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, like usually when you send someone an email,

610
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: you put the really interesting.

611
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 2: Part in the front.

612
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, Like you'd never be like, oh, and by

613
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: the way, I was mauled by you know prey.

614
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole sworded story. I don't want to

615
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: get into all the details.

616
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: But basically a involves antler sheds a man, a.

617
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: Man be a child, molesser to death with an antler.

618
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I support it.

619
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: Multi use dog chews, well, they I.

620
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: Mean they can be a serious weapon. I mean I've

621
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: thought about it many times, Like when I'm not carrying

622
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: you know, pistol or bear spray. Got a he shed

623
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: just in case.

624
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: Would you go pedical side first as the club or.

625
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: I think i'd have to try to get the times

626
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: in there. Yeah right, yeah, a little bit of stabbing

627
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: motion in there. I think like a big like a

628
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: five point like a raghorn elk shed. You could get

629
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: some leth velocity behind that thing.

630
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: Be pretty easy for that to accidentally end up one

631
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: hundred eighty degrees the other way at some point during

632
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: a struggle.

633
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: Well, oh, and your opponent would turn it on you. Yeah, yeah,

634
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 2: not in my experience.

635
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: But the guy wrote in about me complaining about I

636
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: think that Wisconsin voters and I'm just I'm carpetbagging here.

637
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm not from wiscons I'm not a Wisconsin voter. I

638
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: think Wisconsin Nights have made a horrible mistake and not

639
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: allowing through the ice Northern Pike spearing.

640
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: In their waters. The argument against it.

641
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Is they won't be able to tell a pike from

642
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: a musky. That's what the argument sounds like in that voice.

643
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 5: They won't be able to tell a pipe from musky.

644
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 5: That's people, Why why why don't they keep the closing

645
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 5: musky waters?

646
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Well, hear me out, How can hunters and anglers be

647
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: trusted to.

648
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Tell a tell a uh.

649
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: Female from a male.

650
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: Uh pike black bear.

651
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to the skot doc.

652
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think of here.

653
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm in a little buying here because I'm trying to

654
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: think of a duck species where you need to know

655
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: male from female, where the male and female are not

656
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: super And I'm struggling, But okay, thirty minutes before sunrise.

657
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: You can be trusted to tell a drake from a mallard.

658
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: They can trust you with that. Yeah, you can be

659
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: trusted to tell a two inch long spike antler from

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Speaker 1: a three inch long spike antler. Hunters can be trusted

661
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: to determine that a black bear does not have a

662
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: cub hidden in the bushes, Tom Rahan, you can be

663
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: trusted to tell if a turkey has.

664
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Speaker 2: A beard or not.

665
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: The one I shot barely a singular feather.

666
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: It's a feather.

667
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: A beard is a feather, a singular feather growing out

668
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: of his chest. We can trust hunters to figure that out,

669
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: but they can't be trusted to tell if you're spearing

670
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: a pike or a muskie. You can be trusted to

671
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: know if you're throwing a pike or a muskie into

672
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: your ice box. You can be trusted to know that

673
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: you're putting a gaff into a pike or muskie at

674
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Speaker 1: the hole when you're tip up fishing, but you can't

675
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Speaker 1: be trusted to tell a pike from a muskie when

676
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: your spirit. And a guy wrote in saying you have

677
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: to understand how drunk these people are. That is, he said,

678
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: there's two kinds of goggles. He says, there's beer goggles

679
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and there's snorkeling goggles.

680
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: He thinks that you.

681
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Should definitely be allowed to spear northerns in with Wisconsin

682
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: underwater with goggles on spearfishing, because those people aren't drunk.

683
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: He then followed up with a chart that shows excessive

684
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: drinking by county across the country yesterday, Okay, excessive drinking

685
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: by county across the country, Holy cow, Wisconsin. Excessive drinking

686
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: is marked by dark blue. Wisconsin is the only state

687
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: where ever, every county is, all of Wisconsin is dark blue.

688
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Even if you go look where Wisconsin rolls into the

689
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: Michigan's Upper Peninsula, it's like at the line they just

690
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: stop excessive drinking.

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's bizarre.

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00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: And then you go to Utah, Dude, those guys don't

693
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: drink because there's that joke, like there's.

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Speaker 2: That joke like, oh, you know, how do you take

695
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: to I'm not gonna tell jokes. We got.

696
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: Listen Utah, they are not excessive drinking, but I wonder

697
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: if it's all like voluntary, like do you excessive drink?

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00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: Gonna say yes to that question.

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00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: You know what the funny Wisconsin like, yes, sir.

700
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: I do you know what? The thing I noticed about

701
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 5: that Wisconsin map is Lake Winnebago is all white.

702
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: But because they're not excessive drinking on the there's a misrepresentation.

703
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: It's just.

704
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: When that thing is frozen.

705
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: Why is green? Yeah?

706
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: Why is green Bay white?

707
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: That's a great green Bay should be dark blue.

708
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 6: If you notice in Montana, Gallatin County, the county county

709
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 6: we're in right now, hard drinking, hard drinking county.

710
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: But Wisconsin, my goodness, and they like to pull a

711
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: cork around Duluth too.

712
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: I just love how clearly Utah's outlined in that map

713
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: so you can't really tell it.

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Speaker 1: And Appalachia, you know why, because they're making their own

715
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: and they're lying about it. Yeah, don't have any no,

716
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: none here, None of that stuff in this household.

717
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: The dry county is here because.

718
00:40:49,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: Appalaysia sober as the day is long. Wisconsin just wunk

719
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: as a skunk. And he says, that is why you

720
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: can't trust those people with us.

721
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: With a speaking of tell us about forest floor foods,

722
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 3: old fashioned kid Chester.

723
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, we have those on sale. So my

724
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 5: dad he started this. We've talked about it before, like

725
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: a cocktail garnish company for like Bloody Mary's and stuff.

726
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 5: It's great state to be in for that kind of business,

727
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 5: as you can see. But now meat Eater and they

728
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 5: have been if they're selling that old fashioned kits on

729
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 5: the website, so you know, after you get done spearing

730
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 5: pike and whatnot, you can have yourself a cocktail.

731
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: Continue to contribute to that dark navy blue color.

732
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, they My parents actually just got their

733
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 5: products at the Brewers Stadium, so they call the Brewers nice.

734
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 5: That's big Packer games. They have some of their stuff there.

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00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 7: Congrats.

736
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Speaker 5: N kind of cool, yeah, kind of proud moment.

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00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: Recently recovered the this move like all these people banning

738
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: kangaroo leather.

739
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Adiita Snike And why did.

740
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: Doug Why did bubbly Doug write me a think about

741
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: posh spice? Was she on the list of people remember

742
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: the band?

743
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: That's a Victoria Beckham? She's a huge eg fashion person.

744
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: Now who's married to that?

745
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 10: Was?

746
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Who that was? Yeah?

747
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Well, what's her story like? Did she is she protesting?

748
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: Because Doug was pointing out her husband has used has

749
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: worn out thousands of shoes made of kangaroo.

750
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: I wonder if she is. We didn't I didn't research that.

751
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't Victoria Beckham one of the names that Steve listed

752
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: in the in the p She's married to David Beckham and.

753
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: She has a fashion line that will don't use kangaro leather,

754
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: even though her old man's been running around and kangaroo.

755
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: Shoes his entire life.

756
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: There you go, genuine. Ozzie wrote in just thought I'd

757
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: add some detail to how idiotic the kangaroo leather boycott

758
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: is as a roushooter myself, as a way it's controlling kangaroos.

759
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: We have two different permits, harvest permits and drop permits.

760
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Harvest permits require a firearm accuracy test, butchering course and

761
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: certified holding rack to acquire on top of a gun

762
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: license oh okay, a certified holding, so they're heavily licensed

763
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: to get their firearm, which all in all costs around

764
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand bucks if starting from scratch. There are strict

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Speaker 1: rules around the gutting and transport of kangaroos. Generally they

766
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: are used for either pet food or human consumption, depending

767
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: on your nearest drop point. A drop permit is as

768
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: it sounds, you shoot the kangaroo and leave the carcass.

769
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I've heard about these. You legally cannot utilize any part

770
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: of the carcass on that permit. These can be obtained

771
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: by landowners and carried out by anyone with a gun

772
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: license that's approved for hunting. Every year, the same amount

773
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: of kangaroos are killed. They're either killed by a drop

774
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: permit or they're killed by a harvest permit. If you're

775
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: not using the harvest permits, they just shoot them under

776
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: a drop permit. The amount of harvest permits that are

777
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: used is proportional to the price you get per kilogram

778
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: of kangaroo. At the moment, it's a buck twenty per

779
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: kilogram of carcass weight. That market took a big hit

780
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: last year. Price wise due to Germany banning the use

781
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: of human consumption of kangaroo. That's pretty rich coming from that,

782
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: And I can only assume the price will drop again

783
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: with these US based bands on kangaroo leather. So what

784
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: you will see in twenty twenty four, harvest permits will

785
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: go down, drop permits will go way up. The same

786
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: amount of kangaroos will hit the ground and they'll just

787
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: lay there and rot on the ground.

788
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 4: And he points out that kangaroo leather. They're not killing

789
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: kangaroos for their leather. The leather is a byproduct of

790
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: hunting the animal and consuming its meat.

791
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Much like beef leather, hm, cow leather, cattle letter, whatever

792
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: you want to call it. You know you're not. No

793
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: one's raising them. I shouldn't say no. Maybe some freakish situation.

794
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: They are.

795
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: No one's raising them. Oh, you know, this girl I

796
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: went to high school with married this dude who was

797
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: from South America and he was in the cattle business.

798
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: And this is crazy. He was telling me that he

799
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: buys leather for luxury automobile manufacturers and he targets leather

800
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: not from the US but from areas in South America

801
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: where they don't use barbed wire.

802
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 6: Oh huh, makes sense.

803
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 4: Makes sense.

804
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: He's he's looking for absolutely blemish free leather for the

805
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: finest luxury cars and he needs to find it where

806
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: there's no barboaring.

807
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 4: That makes sense.

808
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: Put that podcast.

809
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: That's good stuff right there.

810
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: Just put it there.

811
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 5: Kangaroo leather is like really really soft, right.

812
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: I think I've I've heard it's really durable, but I don't.

813
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 5: Durable and kind. I think my soccer shoes probably kangaroo

814
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 5: leather back.

815
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: In high school. You can buy like the kind of

816
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 2: back to the ball sack topic, Like you can buy

817
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: a kangaroo coin pouch, like we bought it at the

818
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: airport when you're coming home from Australia, like a kangaroo nutsacker.

819
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: You got that tattooed.

820
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: That's what it's reminded me. Yeah, So because of Posh.

821
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 6: Spice, a lot more kangaroos are just gonna good work.

822
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 4: We should like partner with some hundreds in Australians start

823
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: like a butcher box of sorts.

824
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had a whole different Like if

825
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: I could like wrap up my current line of work,

826
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: my new line of work would be parkas with coyote,

827
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: rough kangaroo, leather sneakers. Now just double down on stuff.

828
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: I would double down on great ideas that people are

829
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: throwing out from being dumb.

830
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, utilize those natural materials that are going to waste.

831
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 6: Yep, there you go.

832
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: Ben.

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00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Are you are you interested in ethics? Connectquette?

834
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: Not really not my strong for sure.

835
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: Here's a listener. We got Chester in the rooms. We're

836
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna hit it. Currently listening to podcast episode four three

837
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: to one, and I had to drop an interesting, complicated

838
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: scenario that is related to the discussion the crew had

839
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: regarding the unwarranted disclosure of the status of firearms in

840
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: someone's house for the sake of guest children present in

841
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: the house. This guy's a very good writer. Last summer,

842
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I were on a No, he's not well.

843
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Plus he wasn't on the house, he was.

844
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 7: In the house.

845
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 4: They were on a rental house tour.

846
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: He's back to being a good rite.

847
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: Last summer of my girlfriend and I were on a

848
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: rental house tour for a prospective apartment in Western New York.

849
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: At one point during the tour, we sat down with

850
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: the landlord. I should note this is a parenthetical. I

851
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: should note that she was a novice landlord as this

852
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: was about to be her first rental property. To review

853
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: our responses to a tenant questionnaire, we filled out. One

854
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: of the questions on the questionnaire inquired about firearms ownership

855
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: and potential gun storage in the apartment. I, being an

856
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: honest person, checked yes and had to elaborate to the

857
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: landlord that I am an avid hunter in firearms enthusiasts

858
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: and have several firearms that I intended to keep properly

859
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: locked away in the apartment if we had the opportunity

860
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: to sign a lease. I even went so far as

861
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: to show the landlord my valid pistol permit. Regardless of

862
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: my auntswer I could tell the landlord seemed very uneasy

863
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: about firearms being stored on her property. After the tour ended,

864
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: my girlfriend got very upset with me for potentially ruining

865
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: our chances at being able to sign a lease.

866
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: Should I have lied, Yeah.

867
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: Dude, But he didn't know initially what this girl's reaction

868
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 5: was going to be.

869
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: Right, listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: If the things said do you plan on partying? What

871
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: are you gonna put?

872
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yes, occasionally, I don't think so. I'm

873
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: from I think the least amount of people that know

874
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: that you have firearms, the better.

875
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: I would have put down. I would have put down

876
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: short for Nunya, which is no.

877
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: Mind your business?

878
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 5: Really, Yes, absolutely, yeah, even if you didn't know what,

879
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 5: like I suppose have the question in there was a

880
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 5: red flag, well it's.

881
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: A liability question. I would have flat outled. I would

882
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: have flat outlighted, and I wouldn't have viewed it as

883
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: a moral infraction.

884
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree with you.

885
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 5: I agree. I probably would have done the same thing

886
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 5: as he did, later thinking I should have lied about.

887
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: It Chester because it's chattikit. Yeah, you get to have

888
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: the final say.

889
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 5: Oh, the final say.

890
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 6: I mean.

891
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 3: He's struggling. This is tough.

892
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I it's depends how bad they

893
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 5: wanted the apartment. There's a lot of things in there

894
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 5: that ches.

895
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: You don't get wishy washy bro.

896
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 5: I probably would have done the same thing he did.

897
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: Do.

898
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 5: I think.

899
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:14,479
Speaker 7: It's not lying.

900
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: It's not lying, it's deferring. It's it's not lying, it's

901
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: it's putting. It's it's it's uh.

902
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 5: When someone asks you do you plan on storing something

903
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 5: in this place? And you tell him no, and then

904
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 5: you do it. That's a lie.

905
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Okay, let me put it this way. Let's say your heartboring,

906
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: that's why it's okay. Let's say you're let's okay, here's

907
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: let's say this. Let's say you look out the window

908
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: and there's a cold blooded axe murderer in your yard

909
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: and he knocks on the door and says, I'm I'm

910
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna murder your wife.

911
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: Where is she?

912
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: And you say, well, You're like, well, I can't lie.

913
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: She's in the closet.

914
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 3: But that's different, Nori. This is a one to one scenario,

915
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: perfect analogy.

916
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: I can't tell you probably got to grab one of

917
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: those guns.

918
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 6: And film full of holes.

919
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 5: I'd be like, I'd be like it. She's she's in

920
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 5: the bedroom right now. And if you try and take

921
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 5: one step in this house, I've got a shotgun sitting

922
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 5: right next to the door. We're gonna have a dog.

923
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: Try to think of another scenario.

924
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: All right, here's I got a scenario where Chester has

925
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 2: to lie. Yeah. Yeah, So say you check into a hotel,

926
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: you put down one guest, one room, then you meet

927
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: a go off tinder. I mean, obviously this doesn't apply

928
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: to you. You're gonna go to the front desk and

929
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: tell them you have another guest in your room. No,

930
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: I need to update.

931
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: Excuse me, ma'am, excuse me. I just actually do need

932
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: to add a guest to my room. And then Chester

933
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: has to go back to his date and be like,

934
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: the lobby's closed. You're just gonna have to go home

935
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: because I can't update my thing to say that there's

936
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: two people in this room. I'm sorry, but.

937
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: At the time that he said one person, he was

938
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: telling the truth. It's different to update.

939
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could allow that, but I think you got

940
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: to gauge the situation because there might be cases where

941
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: the landlord wants you to have guns in the house too.

942
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 2: Maybe that could win you an apartment. You have to judge.

943
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: Judge lit the landlord a little bit character. Yeah, if

944
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: she's wearing a you know, federal shirt, Yeah, I got guns.

945
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

946
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: I mean he.

947
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 5: I don't even know if the if he I think

948
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: him lying in that case is valid.

949
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: Looks like you're struggling there. I think you're just.

950
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 5: Wasn't feel.

951
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: That's good.

952
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't know.

953
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 5: The big thing here is probably know not have guns

954
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: in there.

955
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 6: It's New York.

956
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 7: Give us.

957
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: The final answer.

958
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 5: I think if your wife really wanted that apartment and

959
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: you did too, and you had guns, mm hmm, then

960
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 5: h you could fib about it a little bit.

961
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 9: Let's say you were Harriet Tubman Apple's Taples.

962
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 5: I mean, did he get the apartment?

963
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: I didn't read that far.

964
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: No, either way, the scenario really chapped my Oh. Sorry,

965
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: Luckily for me, we ended up living elsewhere for unrelated reasons.

966
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: There you go, a little wishy washy Chester Ben.

967
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: You'll appreciate this one. This is our last news item.

968
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'm ready. I'm excited.

969
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: A repeat violator, shed hunt violator punished crank can't spell punished?

970
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 4: Yes, Typo.

971
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: A Bozeman man, so hometown man convicted of illegally stashing

972
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: shed antlers in Wyoming, they point out to profit by

973
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: selling them as dog chews. Can't set foot on federal

974
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: public land or hunt anywhere in the world.

975
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't get that one. Oh, because it's federal.

976
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 5: Why the world?

977
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, federal. Oh, it's federal.

978
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

979
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: So there's this thing called the there's this thing that's

980
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: the It used to be the Western States Violator Compact,

981
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: which now is way.

982
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: Beyond the way.

983
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: Now it's everybody. So if you lose your hunting privileges,

984
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: if you lose your hunting and fishing privilege, hunting and

985
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: or fishing privileges in any state, you lose them in

986
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: every state that belongs to the Violator Compact and now provinces.

987
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: At a time, it was like a collection of Western

988
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: states because they would just have a problem with they'd

989
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: have like a repeat violator, right, and then he'd be like, oh, okay,

990
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: so I lost my hunting privileges in Wyoming. I'll just

991
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: hunt Montana and Colorado, no problem. And so all these

992
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: states started signing out. And now I think it's like,

993
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: I know, Hawaii's not in it, Nebraska's not either, Nebraska

994
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: not in it, but forty some states are. It's forty

995
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: eight are in the compact, and then several provinces are

996
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: in the compact. So this guy was is in federal trouble.

997
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: But here's what he was doing. I don't know if

998
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: you do this, Ben, hopefully not, you won't. I love

999
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: how this article uses the word rat hole.

1000
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: He was going into.

1001
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: Into areas before they're open, so shed hunting areas before

1002
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: they open up, finding big piles of sheds and rat

1003
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: hole and.

1004
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: I know people that do.

1005
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: I've known people that have done this in their younger,

1006
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: more reckless days. Uh, he's just going to make a

1007
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: little stashes and then wait for the season to open

1008
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: and go up and get it. But he got caught

1009
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: doing it multiple times. For the first offense, he was

1010
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: ordered to pay fifteen thousand dollars in restitution to the

1011
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: Wyoming Game and Fish Department and subject to a five

1012
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: year worldwide band on hunting. He was also ordered to

1013
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: not set foot for five years on the National Elk

1014
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: Refuge near Jackson or in Teetown or Yellowstone Parks. Says

1015
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: the tactics were well known to investigators. Illegal shed antler

1016
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: hunters tried to hide stashes of antlers ahead of the

1017
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: season opener, then return to get them when the season opens.

1018
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: That's not a cash.

1019
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: That's a onewy three year old law on the refuge.

1020
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: Wow. Oh.

1021
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: He was charged both times under the federal Lacy Act.

1022
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: For you folks at home, here's what the Lacy Act is.

1023
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: The Lacy Act means that if you break a game law,

1024
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: like let's say you're in Michigan and you poach a deer. Okay,

1025
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: you poach a buck and your tax dervices in Indiana,

1026
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: and so you poach a buck and you drive an

1027
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: hour south to bring it to your tax nermous in Indiana.

1028
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: You violated Michigan's law by poaching a deer. You also

1029
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: violated federal law because you committed a wild LA violation

1030
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: across state lines. The reason they brought that into play

1031
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: was when they were first trying to establish game laws

1032
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: and conservation laws, they had states that would just turn

1033
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: a blind eye to violations. So like the plume hunters

1034
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: in Florida who would hunt for feathers for hat adornments.

1035
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: It was illegal, but no one cared, not no one cared,

1036
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything about it. Florida just lacks about enforcement.

1037
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: So then they'd say, Okay, we're gonna make a thing

1038
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: that if you're a plume hunter and you shoot an

1039
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: egret in Florida and then bring those feathers to sell

1040
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: them to a dealer in New York, I don't care

1041
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: what the state says. You violated a federal law now

1042
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: and you could really go after the poachers. And that

1043
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: was like that was a nineteen hundred. That was like

1044
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: very important to getting uncontrolled market hunting under control with

1045
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: the LASIAC. So this guy had a LASIAC violation because

1046
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: she was bringing those antlers across state lines into Montana

1047
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: and then it was also selling them online.

1048
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a dog chewed dealer, I understand. That's the

1049
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: way I understand it. So he was going out and

1050
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: collecting inventory, and I thought I read somewhere that he

1051
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: was cutting him up and like bringing him out in

1052
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: horse saddle bags.

1053
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: Mmm.

1054
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure if he's actually cutting him up

1055
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: out on the the ranger if that was just the

1056
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: way they made a sound in the article.

1057
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 5: But Ben, you've probably seen some crazy stuff shed hunting,

1058
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 5: because I feel like shed hunters that I know that

1059
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 5: are real serious about it have seen some pretty wild

1060
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 5: stuff like that.

1061
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, I've seen. Well, I just seen

1062
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people do shady stuff like that. I

1063
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: mean that happens a lot. Like the stashing is is

1064
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: very normal. Like I found stash piles before more people

1065
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: stashed them during close times. You know, you walk up

1066
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: and them be five or six and one pile or something.

1067
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: But and then what do you do take them? I'm

1068
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: not going to leave them, Oh, because you're there doing staff.

1069
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm legally yeah, I'll look around like I'm not trying

1070
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: to rob him from a guy who maybe just like

1071
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: made a little pile and went to go look for

1072
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: more that day. You know, but if they're clearly there

1073
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: from before the season, it's really only happened one time

1074
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: like that where they were clearly there from before the

1075
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: season and I just took them.

1076
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: We had it was a tragedy where not too far

1077
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: from here, a guy was killed shed hunting, killed by

1078
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: grizzly last spring shed hunting, and when they did the investigation,

1079
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: he had done one of those. Yeah, he had a

1080
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: little stash of antlers he found, left him on a ridge,

1081
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: went down into a bowl and got killed by a bear.

1082
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he had his little micro stash there.

1083
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's pretty common, you know, if you get into

1084
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: a good handful of antlers to just leave him somewhere

1085
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: so you can keep covering miles and find it more

1086
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: and then you just pull him out later, as long

1087
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: as it's all legal. You know.

1088
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: How did you get into the custodian business.

1089
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: I kind of fell into it. It was I was

1090
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: doing I was going to school to be a paramedic.

1091
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: I was going to be a paramedic firefighter, and I

1092
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: had a year in between finishing my EMT one and

1093
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: two and then starting a paramedic program. I had to

1094
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: like wait a year for the course to come up again.

1095
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: And so I moved to the city where the school

1096
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: was where I was going to go to paramedic school,

1097
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: and just was looking for kind of a job in

1098
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: the meantime. And a buddy of mine was the head

1099
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: custodian at a local high school, offered me a job

1100
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: and so I started working there for him, just kind

1101
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: of waiting for that course. And then I just decided

1102
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be a paramedic, so I started

1103
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: just working as a janitor or whatever, and it gave

1104
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: me a lot of free time on my phone. I

1105
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: started building this brand while I was working on the clock.

1106
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: So thanks to the Washington County School District sponsoring me

1107
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: in a way. Yeah, and then I kind of just

1108
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: transformed into this from that.

1109
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: But were you a daytime or nighttime custodian?

1110
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 2: I was a swing shift custodian, so I'd go in

1111
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: like two PM. I'd be there for all the evening activities,

1112
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: football games, whatever was going on at the school, and

1113
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: I'd have like a cleaning list and I would get

1114
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: off like at ten pm.

1115
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 1: Were you popular with the kids?

1116
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't really see them too much because

1117
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: they were all even school when I got there, But

1118
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: like I had some Yeah, definitely some buddies and stuff

1119
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: like there're some some kids that were fun to be around,

1120
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of obnoxious ones too.

1121
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: When you started getting really into shed hunting, well, when

1122
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: did you get really into shed hunting?

1123
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 2: I got like crazy into it maybe twelve thirteen years ago,

1124
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: like right before I got married is when I got

1125
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 2: really really into it. But I've been doing it off

1126
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: and on since I was like fourteen fifteen years old.

1127
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: Why, I mean, do you like them better? Like, do

1128
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: you like them better hooked to the skull or better

1129
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: off the skull?

1130
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: It's a toss up. It's tough. There's definitely been times

1131
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: like when I was more into shed hunting than hunting, Like.

1132
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: Would you ever be like, oh, I could shoot that

1133
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: big buck, but I might wait because I could probably

1134
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: pick his antlers up after they fell off.

1135
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: No, just because the probability of getting them so low.

1136
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: But I mean there's times where like you see a

1137
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: big bull get killed and you're like, damn, I wish

1138
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: I could have found his sheds instead of seeing him die.

1139
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: You know really, yeah for sure.

1140
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: And then when you got into it, did you got

1141
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: into it because the market.

1142
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: Part of it, Yeah, for sure, Like just the ability

1143
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: to be able to pay yourself back, you know, pay

1144
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: yourself a little bit of fuel money for going out

1145
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: and finding Antler's. And then I really got into it

1146
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: because my brother in laws were just crazy about it

1147
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: since they were I mean since the early nineties, they've

1148
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: been just wild about it. And where'd you grow up?

1149
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: Southern Utah? What town Cedar City is where I was born,

1150
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: and then I live in Laverkin now and they were

1151
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: making bank. I mean, they had a lot of Antler

1152
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 2: back then, but the prices weren't what they are now.

1153
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: So I mean it's kind of the same. Like now

1154
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: you can find less antler and make the same amount

1155
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: of money.

1156
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: But whatder prices right now?

1157
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: I think the last I checked on Elk, it's like

1158
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 2: seventeen to eighteen dollars a pound for a brown Elk Antler,

1159
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: and then your hard white will be anywhere like ten

1160
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: to eleven. And then chalk, Like maybe chalk kind of

1161
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: has the most variation. If your antler buyer has a

1162
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: good market for chalk, you could get four four dollars

1163
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: a pound maybe out of your chalk antler, and if

1164
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't, maybe a dollar two dollars.

1165
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 6: Do those prices fluctuate much?

1166
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: They do? Yeah, Like it seems lately they've just gone

1167
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: up a dollar or two every year. Oh, and they

1168
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: kind of start off like if a buyer gets desperate

1169
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: to fill an order towards the end of the buying season,

1170
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: he might bump his prices up. So sometimes you can

1171
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: do better by hanging on a little bit, yeah, and

1172
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 2: get maybe another fifty cents a dollar a pound.

1173
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 5: Do you know what kind of profit these buyers are making.

1174
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was a buyer for like maybe

1175
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: a year or two, and I was aimed for a

1176
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: dollar a pound. But I was middleman of middlemen, you know,

1177
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: Like I was basically just using social media to find

1178
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: the seller buying antler and selling them to another antler buyer.

1179
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 2: And I just tried to make a dollar a pound

1180
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: and buy as many as I could, gotcha. So I

1181
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: think like on the top end they're trying to make

1182
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: a few dollars a pound per antler, like per Yeah.

1183
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 4: How many layers do you think there are in this?

1184
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: Like seventeen middlemen?

1185
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: It depends. When I was buying, the buyer that I

1186
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: would sell to had a buyer that he sold to,

1187
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: and he was an exporter. At that time, most the

1188
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: antler was going overseas for medicinal type stuff, and I know,

1189
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: I mean there had to be me than him, then

1190
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: the exporter, and then whoever he was selling to in China.

1191
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: So I mean it could be five or six layers

1192
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: to it, but a lot of it now is more.

1193
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 2: I mean it can be direct consumer because a lot

1194
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: of people who find them cut them and sell them

1195
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 2: for dog choice, or they sell them to a buyer

1196
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: who cuts them and sells them for dog chuice. So

1197
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of a lessened the the tears of the

1198
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 2: market a little bit.

1199
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: What's been your thoughts on, Well, I'll ask you this

1200
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: not then we'll go back to we'll go back to earlier.

1201
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: What's been your thoughts on sort of what I gathered

1202
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: from my perspective to be increasing sensitivity around shed hunting

1203
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: activities and how they affect animals at their most vulnerable

1204
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: state in the winter.

1205
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: I think it's I feel like it's overblown, like from

1206
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: what I can see in my experience. Either I'm fully

1207
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: biased one hundred percent admit that I want I want

1208
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: to shed hunt and I want to shed hut more.

1209
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: I hate shed seasons. I've been an opponent to shed

1210
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: seasons almost across the board.

1211
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: Have you yeah, walt me through it? Want me through first.

1212
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: I want to see how good you can do. Articulate

1213
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: for me why someone would want shed seasons.

1214
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 2: So, the theory behind most shed seasons is animals are depleted.

1215
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: You know, shed hunters on the landscape, displaces the wildlife,

1216
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: further depletes them and causes an increase in winter kill.

1217
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: That's the idea, and that sounds, you know, pretty solid,

1218
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: common sense, makes it makes sense to most people, and

1219
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 2: that's why these seasons continually get a lot of support.

1220
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 2: In my experience, I don't think that's necessarily true. I

1221
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 2: guess it has to put like an asterisk there, because

1222
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: in certain cases it can be true, like this winner

1223
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: with the snow levels, how they have been Like I

1224
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: actually ended up supporting the seasons that were put in place,

1225
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 2: like emergency closures in Houtah this year, a more surgical approach. Yeah,

1226
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: That's always been my thing is I want them to

1227
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: actually do the research and decide which areas need to

1228
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: be open and which areas need to be closed, instead

1229
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: of just saying a mass oh, okay, stays closed. Because

1230
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: I live in the desert, I live into the south

1231
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: end of the state, our deer don't really win or kill.

1232
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,480
Speaker 2: Our elk don't winter kill, they never will, rarely get snowbound.

1233
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: We don't deal with the same issues as the rest

1234
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: of the state, but we always get shut down. And

1235
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: I understand their logic, like they're trying to keep the

1236
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 2: northern people from flooding us out in the south, So

1237
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: it's not no season, isn't the best solution. I don't

1238
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: like the full closure either, so I don't know. I

1239
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: guess I'm not really making a great argument for my case.

1240
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: But my experience is that I can shed hunt without

1241
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: disturbing animals for the most part, like you are going

1242
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: to bump them. But I think that they're a lot

1243
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: tougher than people give them credit for. And I think

1244
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: displacing an elk, like if it stands up out of

1245
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: its bed and identifies you as a threat or not

1246
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 2: a threat. It stands around for a minute, maybe runs

1247
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: up the hill, and beds back down. I don't see

1248
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: that actually causing much harm. I've never seen any data

1249
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: to support that it does.

1250
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: So it does, Yeah, I could see that it might

1251
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: be theoretical. But there's an issue we've been covering a

1252
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: lot is the trail cam issue. Okay, And in talking

1253
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: about Arizona, Utah, Kansas public lands banning trail cams, we've

1254
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: gotten into like what are the different motivations for it,

1255
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: where some people that are some people that don't like

1256
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: trail cams are coming and saying violation of privacy. There's

1257
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: an assumed privacy on public lands. Yeah, and it's a

1258
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: violation of privacy. There's people that come and make this

1259
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: argument like, oh, it's not fair. It's like the whole

1260
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: fair chase thing about trail camps.

1261
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: But we had.

1262
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: Frequent guests on the show, Jim Hefflefinger, who's a biologist

1263
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: in Arizona. He sent us some materials on the trail

1264
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: cam question in Arizona, and there's a wrinkle to it

1265
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: that I hadn't considered.

1266
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: Well.

1267
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: One he sends us a picture of a water hole

1268
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: in Arizona that has fifteen cameras on it. Yeah, on

1269
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: the strip. I'm sure. A concern that was articulated in

1270
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: the documents that he sent was something I hadn't thought of.

1271
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: It was if you put fifteen cameras. First off, you

1272
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: have limited water, You're in a desert ecosystem, you have

1273
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: limited water. You have fifteen people monitoring pulling cards on cameras.

1274
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hadn't thought about.

1275
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: He's like, the amount of disturbance that is happening of

1276
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 1: a large group of animals, that's their place to go

1277
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: get water, The amount of time they need to be

1278
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: able to spend there getting cool, getting water, and the

1279
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: constant disturbance of people coming to check the cameras at

1280
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: the water is one articulation of what is the issue.

1281
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: So that's not even a thing I had considered. I've

1282
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: never considered wildlife disturbance. But I don't know that someone

1283
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: would go and measure. I suppose you could go and

1284
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: measure the cost of that.

1285
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be a tough thing to actually determine, because

1286
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you look at the health of

1287
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: the animal versus the pressure and determine that that was

1288
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: the cause. But I think, like you're saying, with the

1289
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 2: trail cameras, I think that's a great argument for cell cameras,

1290
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, is to those people don't have to go

1291
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 2: out there and actually check that, yeah, that water source.

1292
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is a concern, especially out there in

1293
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: Arizona where there's that many cameras while the hunts are going.

1294
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 2: When it was allowed to run cameras during the hunts,

1295
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: those outfitters and guys were checking those cameras daily to

1296
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 2: see what had come in during the night. So yeah,

1297
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: there's a legitimate argument there. When you.

1298
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: So when you started Shed Crazy, like just like a

1299
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: sort of brand company whatever around shed hunting, do you

1300
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: imagine it being do you imagine yourself being mainly into

1301
01:11:55,720 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: shed hunting as a because they're cool to look at,

1302
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: or because you because you can make money messing around outside,

1303
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: which is everybody's dream.

1304
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always it was always kind of both to me.

1305
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: Like I love antlers, I still like go crazy. That

1306
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: sounds stupid. I love antlers. You go crazy? Yeah, I

1307
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: go crazy for ant But yeah I still am. I

1308
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: love to find big antlers. I love the idea that

1309
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: you can go to these premium units and find you know,

1310
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: giant bowls and Giant Bucks without having to get a

1311
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: tag there. You get experience those places. But yeah, there

1312
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 2: was always a financial element to it. For me in

1313
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 2: the beginning. It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to grow

1314
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: this brand so that I don't have to work anymore.

1315
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: It was just everybody on Instagram seemed like they were

1316
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 2: starting pages that were like, you know whatever, big book

1317
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: Killer Outdoors, and it was a thing to do. And

1318
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, I want to check that page

1319
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: probably exists, and I'm like, I'll start on Instagram about

1320
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: my passion on the side, which is you know, finding

1321
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: sheds and finding antlers. And I lived right down the

1322
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: road from Newly Crazy. I'm like, oh, shake Crazy sounds

1323
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: pretty cool. So just ripped them off kind.

1324
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: Of How how would you rate? Uh? How would you? Okay,

1325
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: I think that that, uh, lion hunting.

1326
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 2: Is really really hard.

1327
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: Hound hunting for line, especially dry ground lion hunting. I

1328
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: think it's like very very very hard, like maybe one

1329
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: of the most challenging outdoor pursuits. Okay, I think that

1330
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: land I think that like uh.

1331
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: Trapping uh fox and coyotes is hard.

1332
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 1: Technically difficult okay, and then you can like kind of

1333
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: rank all these things out right, all these different outdoor pursuits.

1334
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: Do you like, do you think that there's how much

1335
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: uh skill? Do you feel like, how much skill are

1336
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: you utilizing as a shed hunter?

1337
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: This? I don't know that I would have even call

1338
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 2: it skill as much as like determination.

1339
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: It's like but think about it fer me though, And

1340
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm wanna put words your mouth, but you have to

1341
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: know where they are, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1342
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: where are they standing the day when their antler falls off?

1343
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? You do put a ton of time into the

1344
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:22,480
Speaker 2: online maps and to understanding like the feed that they're utilizing,

1345
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: migration routes, where they are when the snow melts, where

1346
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 2: they're able to travel to because of snow, what the

1347
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: wind's doing, where they're able to find places to get

1348
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 2: out of the wind. You look at stuff like where

1349
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: the green up happened first, what kind of grass they

1350
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: were hitting early spring. So there is like a large

1351
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 2: barrier to being able to do it successfully is and

1352
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: you have to learn all that stuff. But then like

1353
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of places too, like even in Arizona,

1354
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: where there's just big seed or flats that have elk

1355
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: antlers in them, and it's just those places you walk

1356
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 2: enough miles, you're gonna find sheds. So it's like anything.

1357
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 2: It's like saying, you know, ranking it next to mule

1358
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: deer hunting or whatever. To kill a big mule deer,

1359
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: a big mature buck is hard to kill any mule

1360
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 2: deer is not that difficult. But shed hunting is the

1361
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 2: same way. If you want to find you know, smaller

1362
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: antlers or a lot of antlers, it's not terribly difficult

1363
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: to just find wintering ground where there's a lot of

1364
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 2: animals hanging out and you'll be able to find a few.

1365
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 2: If you want to target big bulls on premium units

1366
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: that a lot of other people are also targeting, or

1367
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,879
Speaker 2: big mule deer, then you do have to do your homework.

1368
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 2: So it's tough for me. I think finding a big

1369
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 2: set of sheds is harder than like killing a bowl

1370
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: on a unit in Utah. Really for me, it's hasn't been.

1371
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: I've killed a lot more elk than I have found

1372
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 2: like giant sets of sheds.

1373
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: So right now, let's say you go to take a

1374
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: premium unit like name. It doesn't need to be one

1375
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: of your favorite ones, but name like what you'd regard

1376
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: as a great shed hunting state, locality, whatever however you

1377
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: want to put it.

1378
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean Arizona is a good state, and there's

1379
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,480
Speaker 2: a bunch of good units in Arizona.

1380
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: What percent of the antlers get picked up? Let's say

1381
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: you took a unit, doesn't need to be a specific one,

1382
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: take taking your mind, a great shed antler unit, a

1383
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: destination shed antler unit. Yeah, uh, what percent of the

1384
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: antlers to hit the ground? I think you can get

1385
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: as high as fifty percent.

1386
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 5: You can probably kind of gauge it on how many

1387
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 5: like white and chalks you're finding.

1388
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: With the popularity of it chalks, it's like, oh, someone

1389
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: didn't find that one, right.

1390
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 2: That's the coolest thing about finding the chalk is that

1391
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: people missed it for multiple years, you know, and you

1392
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: just hit the right line to pick it up. But

1393
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think in very popular units they

1394
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: get half and maybe more just judging them. I mean

1395
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: there are places now where I shed hint where you're

1396
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: pretty much only finding browns, so that most of them,

1397
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: most of them get picked up.

1398
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: Did you know you're sitting across the table from an

1399
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 1: exceptional shed hunter I didn't.

1400
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't even try, so Wow, He's drawn to him

1401
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: like like a magnet, like like like a fly to excrement.

1402
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 5: He is kind of like that one we've found in

1403
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 5: uh uh, Michigan, Michigan.

1404
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, seth, he found an antler hanging from a grape

1405
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: vine mich ducked under it so as to not poked

1406
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: my eye out.

1407
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 6: I found a couple of kansas on this line.

1408
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: You could be walking five people walking in the line, says,

1409
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: taking up the rear, and also you looking he's holding.

1410
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: Antler, No kidding, Well, the shed eye is a real thing, Like.

1411
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: He's got a shed eye. Yeah, well, I think it's

1412
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: like a Jedi.

1413
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 6: But I'm always like when i'm I think I'm a

1414
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 6: bad hunter because I'm always looking at the ground because

1415
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 6: you always find cool ship laying on the ground, like

1416
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 6: arrowheads and sheds and cool rock.

1417
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: I can't stop. I got I want you to finish,

1418
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: but I'm so hung up on can we let's make

1419
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: Can we have a hunter make a shirt that says

1420
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: of shedd eye Warrior.

1421
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 2: It's like in my language, every think should no, But

1422
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: I think I follow a dude that's count On instagramad.

1423
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 5: Warriors, so like a Jedi.

1424
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: It looked like Luke Skywalker holding the antler.

1425
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: I remember, I don't know. I think maybe I've seen

1426
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: it out.

1427
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: There TYPD Warrior where it's Luke Skywalker, you know, like

1428
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,759
Speaker 1: you know how like uh, it's like he's got laying everybody,

1429
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: he's kind of on the top and he's holding that

1430
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: lightsaber up in the sky.

1431
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah he could be holding, but he's holding the antler.

1432
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: I like that return of the shed Eye.

1433
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: When you find him.

1434
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: Let's do this, but don't ask any freaking lawyers about it.

1435
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's no Yeah, yeah, but I google it.

1436
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 2: It might just be like a user name for for

1437
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 2: somebody on Instagram.

1438
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 4: Go straight to Instagram.

1439
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 3: But he's like not, I think we're still good.

1440
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: I think we are at people.

1441
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh shut eye master, Yeah yeah, yeah, that's what He's got.

1442
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: Pictures of his girlfriend, so he doesn't care that much,

1443
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: committed at all. No, he's she dedicated because he does

1444
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 2: a lot of hunting and stuff too.

1445
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 6: He's gonna be stuffed.

1446
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: By shed crazy. I think I follow him.

1447
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, never mind, he already came up with it.

1448
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 4: It's okay, Yeah, this was completely and he doesn't have

1449
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 4: a shirt.

1450
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: Maybe we do a deal where he gets a buck

1451
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: off every shirt.

1452
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: Say I said it, I want the buck off everything.

1453
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 2: You didn't say it like Jedi.

1454
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: You said it like a said shde but you meant

1455
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: it like Jedi.

1456
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: If I say that, I get the dollar a shirt,

1457
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 2: damn it. No, you can just do it. That's all right,

1458
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: you can have it. That one's free. I'll have some

1459
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 2: other good ideas in this podcast I have to charge.

1460
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel now like we can't do it

1461
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: because this guy already came.

1462
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 2: Up with him. But does he have like a logo

1463
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 2: or it's called the Shaddye Master. Come on, it's a

1464
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: good name, right, yeah, but there's nothing that has to

1465
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 2: do with like spin offs from stars Horses.

1466
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: The whole name is a spinoff from star Wars. After

1467
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: this podcast, Jettikut question for you on the right, dar Chester.

1468
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about stealing someone's idea.

1469
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 2: And making didn't steal it.

1470
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 4: You didn't know about it, Okay, and we have I can.

1471
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 5: Tell you right now this podcast, we definitely kind of

1472
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 5: came up with this idea ourselves, not knowing about this guy.

1473
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 5: We should probably reach out to him.

1474
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's in the public domains. Go back and

1475
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:39,839
Speaker 2: see how long it's been on Instagram.

1476
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if he has, it's good. I mean,

1477
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 5: if there is not a T shirt out there, SHEDI master.

1478
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: He invented shed Sorry Chester, gohead.

1479
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 5: If there's not a T shirt out there with a

1480
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,480
Speaker 5: guy that looks like a Jedi holding up a shed.

1481
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got none of that.

1482
01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 5: We should be able to do it.

1483
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 2: I think it's fair play.

1484
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 4: The jury says, yes, yes.

1485
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: Well, because I feel bad now, please.

1486
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: Collab. I might have to call the shedde I asked

1487
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: her shoot him an Instagram message.

1488
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: Heads up, yeah, because here's the deal though, too, you

1489
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: said shedd I like game I shd I. When you

1490
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: said shaddy, did you were you thinking about how it

1491
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: sounds like Jedi or did you just mean a good

1492
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 1: game I shed eye.

1493
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: It's both right. We called the shed Ie. We've called

1494
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 2: it the shed I forever. But I mean it's not

1495
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 2: necessarily referencing Star Wars, so it wasn't like a play

1496
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: on jet. I didn't like envision, you know, Seth fully

1497
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 2: decked out in Star Wars regal.

1498
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 5: Wait are you saying CHEDI or.

1499
01:21:59,320 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: Too?

1500
01:21:59,520 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 6: That's good?

1501
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: Let me see.

1502
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 6: When you click on it says page not found. But

1503
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 6: someone made a shed Eye Master t shirt before.

1504
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 2: What's the site? Well, no, it's a cowboy wielding of antler.

1505
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I mean, well.

1506
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: It's close enough.

1507
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: Don't talk to any lawyers, Karin. Time to get a

1508
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 1: good idea, to go to a lawyer, they're gonna be like, well,

1509
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: I recommend against it.

1510
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 3: I got let's just wait for the cease and assists.

1511
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 3: It's like when has to play a song on the podcast, like, well.

1512
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: Let's go check with the lawyer.

1513
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: We'll just never mind. Let's just not do it. Happen

1514
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: you're check with the lawyers.

1515
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: Don't do it because they're gonna tell you no.

1516
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 5: Every good idea that you think you have. Nowadays, it's

1517
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 5: really hard to find somebody. I've got a real good

1518
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 5: idea that I thought of the other day.

1519
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 6: Don't say it chets and we'll steal it.

1520
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 5: But I think it would be I don't think I

1521
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 5: could do it unless it was with you guys.

1522
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: Tell me later. It'd be a conflicting.

1523
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: Why did shed Crazy become a humor site. It's like

1524
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 1: a comedy site.

1525
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny, thank you.

1526
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to have you on because I

1527
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: always get like a mega chuckle.

1528
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh good. Yeah, it was really like kind of my

1529
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: wife's doing. So she's funny, No, she's not. I mean

1530
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: she's not going to listen to this, so it doesn't matter.

1531
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: She's not gonna listen.

1532
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't care what you do. No, really, she

1533
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: didn't even know where She texted me before, like where

1534
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: are you again?

1535
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 4: You know?

1536
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: But no, she is actually pretty funny. But I kind

1537
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 2: of like when I started the page, I thought people

1538
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: wanted like badass hunting content, you know, So I was

1539
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 2: trying to go down the road of like, oh, cool

1540
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: guy stuff. Yeah, and like she would look at my Instagram,

1541
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: She's like this is like not even close to who

1542
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: you are, Like why do you pretend to be like

1543
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 2: a tough guy on the internet? And so I started thinking.

1544
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: About it, and did you have like kiss makeup?

1545
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 8: Oh?

1546
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't that tough. Like I didn't paint

1547
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: my face or go to the gym or anything like that.

1548
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: But so you didn't get any kind of any kind

1549
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:54,440
Speaker 1: of injections.

1550
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 2: No, I mean nothing, maybe minor like light drugs. But

1551
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: so she I used to send her stupid videos like

1552
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: when I was out hiking I just make dumb videos

1553
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: and send them to her, and she was just laugh

1554
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 2: at them, and she's like, why don't wy don't you

1555
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: post these, Like why don't you show people that, like

1556
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 2: you have a good sense of humor. So randomly I

1557
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 2: just started posting just stupid videos about like little Debbie

1558
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: snack cakes and energy drinks and whatever else, and they

1559
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 2: started doing way better than any of the shed stuff

1560
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: I was doing.

1561
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 7: So I just started rolling with that.

1562
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 2: Kind of see what sticks.

1563
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, there's the one you did. It was a

1564
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: while ago, but you did one about it was like

1565
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: you talking like when someone asked you where you killed

1566
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: a buck or something like that. Yeah, it was like

1567
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: just the most like OFU skating answer.

1568
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's that Napoleon Dynamite clip the guy

1569
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 2: talking about finding narrowheads. But yeah, I like that stuff.

1570
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 2: Man to me, like, I want hunting to be like fun.

1571
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 2: I like, the whole badass mentality thing is so old

1572
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: and it's so played out and you have to like

1573
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: post a reel with like ass rock music in the

1574
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: background and then like make yourself look cool. I hate

1575
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1576
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 5: I did one of those fine.

1577
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Jess was legitimately tough though. Yeah, obviously

1578
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: tattoos and everything. His nickname at work is the muscle Hamster.

1579
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 2: I could see it. I could see it. Oh he

1580
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 2: beat your ass. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure you would

1581
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 2: not shed though, beat you like a.

1582
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 5: God.

1583
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: So then you started doing that, But like, how do you, uh,

1584
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: you quit your job? Yeah, but it wasn't you didn't

1585
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: quit your job because you're making so much money selling

1586
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: antlers or was it?

1587
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 2: Well that was part of it, Like you don't make

1588
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: that much as a custodian, Like news flash, you just don't.

1589
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 2: So like it's you don't have leverage, right, Yeah, it

1590
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 2: wasn't that hard to replace my income, So I wasn't

1591
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: earning a terribly like a large amount of money.

1592
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: We go to college.

1593
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 2: I just my EMT stuff is all I did after

1594
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 2: high school. But we kind of were in a place financially,

1595
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 2: like we got totally out of debt. We just decided that,

1596
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 2: like we were going to do that before we kind

1597
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: of did it so I could go to paramedic school,

1598
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: sold our house and sold all our stuff and got

1599
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: to where we had zero debt and we really needed

1600
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: like very little money to live on every month so you.

1601
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: Were living in a house you bought and then sold

1602
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: it to rent.

1603
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a crazy move.

1604
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: No one does that move.

1605
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like not good. It's not a good move usually,

1606
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: like even in our circumstancedic. Well, I just have like

1607
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 2: I hate debt. I hate being saddled by debt. It

1608
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 2: makes me feel like I can't do what I want

1609
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: to do. So I just got rid of the house

1610
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 2: and the cars and everything. And we had a couple

1611
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: hundred thousand in debt, and we knocked it out in

1612
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: like six months and sold what we needed to, and

1613
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: then I started picking up antlers to get out of debt,

1614
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: like a lot of it. I would be like, oh,

1615
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 2: if I can go find five or six elk shed,

1616
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: that's five or six hundred bucks I can pay off

1617
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 2: on just like stupid credit cards and stuff that we had.

1618
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: So we knocked all that out.

1619
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,919
Speaker 5: Oh really, do you sell everything?

1620
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 7: Ben?

1621
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: Like yeah, like ninety nine percent.

1622
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: Probably you got a big pile of weird shit you found.

1623
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: I got a decent like a storage locker full of

1624
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: just like unique or big stuff. M Yeah, I got

1625
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: some some crazy stuff.

1626
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 6: It's almost like a little savings account kind of like

1627
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 6: times get tough if you just sell this.

1628
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've kind of been through some tough times though,

1629
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: so most of it's kind of got cold off to

1630
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 2: gauge how much I'm attached to any specific antler a

1631
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: few times.

1632
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: But so when you were so how much? Uh get

1633
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: what's your average antler weight?

1634
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 2: Like for el No? No, no, I ever, what what's

1635
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 2: a big elk antler? Way? Ten pounds? It's a big antler?

1636
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: Okay, we had a guy talking and then we had

1637
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: a guy talk about like he must have been talking

1638
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: about like an extraordinary one because we had a guy.

1639
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,639
Speaker 1: Was he saying like a twenty pound antler or something

1640
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: like that?

1641
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just an insane that's right, top zero

1642
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: zero zero point one percent. Like the biggest free range

1643
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 2: elk shed we've ever held is a set that my

1644
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: uncle found and the heavy side of that bowl weighs

1645
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: seventeen and seventeen pounds six ounces.

1646
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: But that's a four hundred plus inch four Yeah.

1647
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: Four hundred and nine inch set of sheds. Got ya?

1648
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: So an absolute stomper trophy bowl by anyone's standard. Yeah,

1649
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars Southwest Reservation Hunt Bowl. Yeah, we'll throw

1650
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: a seventeen pound anler.

1651
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not always because I found one of my

1652
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: biggest single elk sheds is off of a three hundred

1653
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: and probably eighty inch bowl and it's a six and

1654
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: a half pound dollar what. Yeah, just it doesn't always translate.

1655
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 2: So much of it's just related to the amount of

1656
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 2: moisture in the area. The desert bolls always way less.

1657
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 6: You can probably find heavy ass antlers in Pennsylvania elk sheds. Yeah,

1658
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 6: but you can't sell them.

1659
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah? Really?

1660
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 6: Yeah? Why, I don't know. You can't sell like animal

1661
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 6: parts other than like fir and stuff that you trapped.

1662
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: That's interesting.

1663
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: They roll antlers into that.

1664
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 2: If you go across state lines and sell them, is

1665
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 2: at a LASIAC violation.

1666
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1667
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 2: Sure, So that's interesting.

1668
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 1: Do you know do you know the logic behind it?

1669
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 8: Uh?

1670
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 6: No, I think it's just is that just with elk, No, it's.

1671
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: With Yeah, I think California has something similar to because

1672
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: my buddies that live down there, I was just keeping them,

1673
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 2: keeping them. They said they can't sell them down there

1674
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 2: for some reason.

1675
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, unless they change that, But as far as I know,

1676
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,440
Speaker 6: you can't sell antlers that Pennsylvania.

1677
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, just says PA dot Gov. I didn't open up

1678
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 4: the page directly, but part of it is it is

1679
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 4: unlawful for individuals to possess shed antler shed antler, to sell,

1680
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 4: barter or trade, or to offer to sell, barter or

1681
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 4: trade any shed antler.

1682
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 2: That's wild.

1683
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 4: That's from the Game Commission. Now let me click to

1684
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 4: see if there's any rationale.

1685
01:29:58,920 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 2: Grow up.

1686
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: I don't understand the I mean, I'm not I'm not here.

1687
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't like to just start randomly, you know, being

1688
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: like what bullshit like. But I don't understand the logic.

1689
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: I don't understand the logic that that if a farmer

1690
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: found a elkshd antler on his place, and it's not

1691
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: attached to the skull, so there's no question about that,

1692
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: you can tell an antler that shed naturally. There's no

1693
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: question that he shot the bowl in order to sell

1694
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: four hundred bucks worth the antler. I just don't understand.

1695
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 1: I don't understand.

1696
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it says it's lawful for individuals to

1697
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 4: retain deer an elk antlers found on public land, so

1698
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 4: as long as they were shed through natural causes. But

1699
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 4: what's unlawfuls for them to possess it to sell, barter

1700
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 4: or trade.

1701
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I heard the public land.

1702
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 2: Thing.

1703
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: You want to know, crazy ass deadhead rule is remember

1704
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 1: when we were in when I drew that Ibex tag

1705
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: in New Mexico, Yeah, that is this is crazy.

1706
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: And we found.

1707
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: At the base of a cliff we found some Ibex

1708
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: horns and so they don't shed, right, So it's it's

1709
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: like if you find the horn, it's something died not shed,

1710
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: so it's different. But we called the game warden.

1711
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 2: You were there, were.

1712
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 5: Grab Yeah, remember that grabbed him.

1713
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: You got to call the game ward The game ward

1714
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 1: comes out and says, here's what you owe the state

1715
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: if you'd.

1716
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 5: Like to have that, And it seemed like you you

1717
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 5: could almost like kind of barter with.

1718
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: Him, right, Oh yeah, the game warden. Besides it like

1719
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 2: on the side right there, what do you say, twenty bucks?

1720
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, and you're paying cash. Yeah, they

1721
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: give you a receipt or.

1722
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 5: It might have been like we offered twenty he's like

1723
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 5: house fifteen or something like that.

1724
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he proceeded to check our licenses.

1725
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were dialed after he cam.

1726
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 5: He also checked out.

1727
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 2: No, he's like while I'm here, what permits have a look?

1728
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, But at first I was like, what the heck?

1729
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 5: But then you know, you're like, this guy's doing his job.

1730
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for those ibex horns, I kept one, No,

1731
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: I didn't. Kevin Murphy kept one out and who else

1732
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: kept the other one? You have one, and he wanted

1733
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: like twenty bucks. But if you found some big like

1734
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: two hundred inches melely deadhead, he might come and say

1735
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: that they can just as well come and say, uh,

1736
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, five hundred bucks. And then one time

1737
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 1: I was at a thing in New Mexico where they

1738
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: auction off all the ship all the road kill stuff,

1739
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: all the confiscated stuff, and they'll pull out like tank

1740
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: or mulely dead heads.

1741
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: And you just you can bid on them. Yeah yeah.

1742
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Utah does that every year too. They have a big

1743
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: auction every year.

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01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: So if you if you look at it, let's say

1745
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: you find what is the value of when you just

1746
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: said you go out and find a few antlers and

1747
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: that's a couple hundred bucks or whatever. You can go

1748
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 1: out your place and find like like let's say you

1749
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: find a three fifty bulls one side off a three

1750
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: fifty bolt. You could be holding a couple hundred dollars.

1751
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's if it's a brown antler, yeah, you

1752
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 2: could one hundred to two hundred dollars pretty easy. If

1753
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 2: it weighs up again, could you.

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01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Sell I could see the appeal of that, because like

1755
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: you could go trap, like trap a beaver. You got

1756
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 1: trap them, haul them all the ship you need to buy,

1757
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: flesh them, yeah, stretch them. Yeah, and that takes specialized equipment.

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01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this I mean you can meet your antler buyer

1759
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 2: when you get to town, or you'll hand your cash

1760
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: and you're done.

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01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 6: So can you sell like a big set for more

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01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 6: money than if it was just like a like an

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01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 6: individual antler sometimes? Or could you sell them to like

1764
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 6: niche markets like a taxidermist or something that.

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01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can sell them to collector sometimes if they're

1766
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 2: over like you know it's on elk, like big big

1767
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: like three eighty or seventy three eighty plus. Or the

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01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 2: best thing you can do is if you find a set,

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01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 2: like an older set off a bowl that somebody's killed

1770
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: a lot of times, they'll want them so you can

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01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 2: make a deal with them.

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01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 6: Oh or you know thought of that.

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01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you can get a little better price for

1774
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 2: like a big set from a buyer to like, if

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01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 2: you have a big set, they might I mean what

1776
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: I usually do if I have something big or special,

1777
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 2: I'll just kind of set it aside and just ask

1778
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 2: the buyer if that's worth anything more than regular poundage

1779
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 2: to him, and he might have some sort of a

1780
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 2: market for it. And then I've got like maybe an

1781
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 2: extra dollar a pound or a couple dollars a pound

1782
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 2: out of something big.

1783
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 6: Gotcha.

1784
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: But if you find like a super freak thing that's

1785
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: just cool look at, that's a whole different market though

1786
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: it can be. Yeah, you're just can you just set

1787
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: up a website? Would be like weird ass shit I found.

1788
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea.

1789
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: I write that down.

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01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: Do check with the lawyer on that one. Yeah. I

1791
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: saw the couple on eBay just out of curiosity to

1792
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: see what they would do, and they both sold for

1793
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 2: a ton. I posted them on my Instagram. I'm like,

1794
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: I found these sheds. They're on eba, go bit on them.

1795
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 2: I saw the elk shed for like nine and fifty

1796
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 2: bucks what, and then a deer shed for like I

1797
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 2: think it was like two eighty or two ninety really,

1798
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 2: but you can you can.

1799
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 5: Get a little more for a nice match set too.

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01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, depending like same if they're above that trophy

1801
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 2: class like on deer, they had to be over like

1802
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,560
Speaker 2: really one eighty or have somebody has to have some

1803
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 2: attachment to them.

1804
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 1: A shed I have that I feel would be of

1805
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 1: exceptional value, but it has a very prominent position in

1806
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:47,839
Speaker 1: my home. I have a moose paddle that was burned

1807
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: a little bit in a fire and has a weird

1808
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: drop time coming off the back of the paddle, so

1809
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: it stands like a three legged tripod free standards man,

1810
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and it stands like totally on display with a little

1811
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 1: prong of growth coming out the bag, and you can

1812
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 1: tell that it's been burnt, singed and burnt in a fire.

1813
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 6: That's cool, it's a beautiful While you're here, you should

1814
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 6: go out the three forks to what's what's that guy's name,

1815
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 6: Jim Oh?

1816
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: The Shed Antler Museum.

1817
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, look at that place.

1818
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 1: Really, you'd like it the most?

1819
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to check it out.

1820
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 3: How you gotta do it?

1821
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a collection he's got out there, dude,

1822
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: he's got like thousand never how it was talking about

1823
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: the louver earlier.

1824
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 4: This is like the louver of antlers, but like and

1825
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 4: the building has also made it.

1826
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: You know, this guy is an eccentric, obsessed dude, and

1827
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: he was doing it when it wasn't a thing people did.

1828
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: He has the craziest He's one of two people I

1829
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: know that legit found a bear trap. Oh really like

1830
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: the old and the Woods found a grizzly in the

1831
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: Woods found it. Have always wanted to find one of those,

1832
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: you and me both. Yeah, my buddy Mike found one,

1833
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: and he found one.

1834
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 2: Huh, that's cool. Yeah, I'd like to check it out.

1835
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 2: I could spend some days there.

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01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure we did a show from there. He's a

1837
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: hell of a gardener too.

1838
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 6: He lives a couple of blocks from me.

1839
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you guys are neighbors.

1840
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 3: Jim Phillips is his name you there?

1841
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 6: No, I haven't.

1842
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 2: It's I saw some pictures. I don't know what you

1843
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 2: guys posted them, but it looked like the inside of

1844
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 2: a barn or something like.

1845
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 6: Maybe we have pictures on the website.

1846
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: He's a craftsman man. He's an obsessive collector. I mean

1847
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: he's a collector of weird rocks, trees.

1848
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's cool.

1849
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: He's obsessive, probably, I don't know, might be a hard

1850
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: man to live with.

1851
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 4: He seems lovely. He's also a writer.

1852
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 2: But the amount of work.

1853
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Everything he told is everything around him.

1854
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 4: Is like craft thousands.

1855
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1856
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: Yes, he's like see that garden. You look at the garden,

1857
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 1: be like that looks like thousands of hours. Yeah, see

1858
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:15,640
Speaker 1: this this should I do with the trees I planted to? Like,

1859
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 1: that's thousands of hours. Everything he does, all the rocks

1860
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: he has, yeah, and then what he does with them.

1861
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 6: His whole front bed in his house is all like

1862
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 6: instead of mulch, it's all fossilized wood that he found

1863
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 6: and brought back.

1864
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

1865
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Thousands of hours.

1866
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 2: It sounds like my wife's grandpa. He was just like

1867
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: picking up antlers in the sixties seventies and just to

1868
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 2: have them in his yard when he when he passed away,

1869
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: Like he had one hundred plus deer antlers just in

1870
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: his planter in his front yard. Yeah, just went out

1871
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 2: and got him because he thought they were cool.

1872
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 1: Imagine if you took all the time you spent doing

1873
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: like dumb, non memorable stuff and spent it doing like

1874
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 1: obsessing over your space in like finding things and building

1875
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: things out of things you found.

1876
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 2: It's a I would like, I love this place.

1877
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: He's was a great guess, great guy. I think that

1878
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: his place would be as interesting to someone who is

1879
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 1: interested in human behavior as it would be to someone

1880
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 1: that's interested in Chad Antler's I mean this in the

1881
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 1: Krin's laughing. I mean this in the nicest, most flattering

1882
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: way possible.

1883
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, it's interesting to see how different people

1884
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 4: focus their energy and their time, and that is like

1885
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 4: a visual representation of god knows how many hours of

1886
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 4: someone's mental focus.

1887
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he at some point early on had to

1888
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: have envisioned in his head some aspect of what it

1889
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 1: was going to look like in the end. Meaning when

1890
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to quate this to the Pyramids, I am.

1891
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: When someone started making the peer mids, they were like,

1892
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: and it'll look like this one. We're done, right, Yeah,

1893
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 1: do you know how much money and poundage that is?

1894
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, you're probably gonna eye

1895
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 4: that and like estimate.

1896
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 2: He's never sold an Antler trades.

1897
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: He's never sold he trades and fines.

1898
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 2: That's that's respectable that's commendable.

1899
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: He'll find a bunch of normal stuff and then trade

1900
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: it for the weird ship.

1901
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he likes the weird stuff. Huh. Oh, and he's

1902
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 2: got little he's got.

1903
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 4: Like clubs like antler. I mean, he's got all kinds

1904
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 4: of things that maybe would work very well weaponry.

1905
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: No, you and him be, You and him be best friends.

1906
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: I'd be. I could spend a lot of time at

1907
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 2: that place, for sure.

1908
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 4: I'll find his contact information for Yeah.

1909
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: You got to be like best bodies.

1910
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,200
Speaker 5: Did he find most of those?

1911
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 4: All of them trades?

1912
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1913
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: You got You guys get kicked off of each other.

1914
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 2: There's like a big oh man, that's double beam bull.

1915
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 2: She's he's got a few years on you. Yeah, I'll

1916
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 2: catch him, give me some time. Well, I just mean

1917
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 2: an age. I won't catch him.

1918
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Well, no, eventually he'll stop right and then you'll.

1919
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 2: With diminishing opportunities. We'll see though. Like it's getting harder

1920
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 2: out there, is it. Yeah?

1921
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: For sure are the good old days of shed hunting over?

1922
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Yes? And no, like you just I mean you got

1923
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 2: to work for him so much harder now. It used

1924
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 2: to be like we would literally drive out to Nevada,

1925
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: park in the desert walk and pick him up. And

1926
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 2: now you got to be pretty pretty calculated because the

1927
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 2: people interested in him. Yeah, it's because he's damn YouTubers

1928
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 2: ruined it for everybody.

1929
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, ruined the finding of antlers. Have you gone down

1930
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: the path of getting a dog to do it?

1931
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 2: I uh not really. I started talking to a kid

1932
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 2: recently about getting one, but I just am not. I'm

1933
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 2: not a good dog owner. I'm just not home enough. Like,

1934
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 2: we have a dog, it's a family dog, and she's awesome.

1935
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 2: I love that dog. But for me to take a

1936
01:41:54,479 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 2: dog with me everywhere I go so much of it's

1937
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 2: like staying in hotels and driving around of my van.

1938
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 2: It's like taking care of it would probably be too

1939
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 2: much hassle at this point, But someday I will when

1940
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm back to kind of just doing the Western, like

1941
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: the elk shed thing. Walk me through the idea that

1942
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 2: you wanna you have a quest to find a shed

1943
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,960
Speaker 2: antler in all fifty Yeah, one year. Yeah, I don't

1944
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 2: know if I'll do it in a year, Like the

1945
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 2: idea was between this shed season and the end of

1946
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 2: next shed season, so it could be like a year

1947
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 2: and a half. But Yeah, that's the goal. Man. I

1948
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 2: started talking.

1949
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: About it with my buddy Josh like five or six

1950
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,760
Speaker 1: years ago, and I always wanted to do it, and

1951
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 1: I was going to do it the year of COVID,

1952
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 1: which is twenty twenty, and everything got so screwed up.

1953
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it then. So as soon as we

1954
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,600
Speaker 2: got out of that darkness, I started planning trying to

1955
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 2: figure it out.

1956
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,560
Speaker 1: So if you imagine the pile, all fifty of the

1957
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 1: shed antlers in a pile, how many white tail sheds

1958
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: are in that pile?

1959
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 2: Oh man, a lot, like thirty something, and there's one

1960
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 2: access to er yep from Hawaii.

1961
01:42:56,880 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's probably two or three moves sheds.

1962
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Moose trips planned and figured out right now.

1963
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 2: Caribou maybe I think we'll get a caribou. It's kind

1964
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,439
Speaker 2: of in the works. And uh yeah, maybe a seca

1965
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 2: dear maybe, Uh, I don't know, maybe a sandbar. I'm

1966
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 2: not opposed to picking up a couple exotics while I'm

1967
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 2: out and about. Well in Hawaii, you'll have to, yeah

1968
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 2: for sure.

1969
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Why uh you know what if you to get a

1970
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 1: glimpse of what shed hunt used to be like, probably

1971
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean if you go way way back, there's all

1972
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: kinds of areas in Alaska where no one's gonna pick

1973
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 1: it up. There's no way to get it out of there, right,

1974
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,799
Speaker 1: And you'll see like a saddle, you know, like a pass,

1975
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 1: and you'll fly over it and it'll be literally dozens, yeah,

1976
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: like literally dozens of antlers. That sounds awesome in a paddle,

1977
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 1: or you'll be flying you'll be flying up a braided

1978
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: channel of a stream that's all willow flats and you'll

1979
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: be flying up it's just like moose antley, moose, moose, you.

1980
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 2: Know, just everywhere.

1981
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 1: That's the stuff I dream about usually at like usually

1982
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: if you go to any landing strip in Alaska that

1983
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: are down along the river that most of them are

1984
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: like down along the willow flats. You just often are

1985
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: landing willow flats and you get like, oh, we got

1986
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: to wait an hour for the next plane or whatever,

1987
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,560
Speaker 1: and you just start cutting loops you will find a

1988
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 1: moose antler.

1989
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 2: Really, Oh yeah, that's sweet man, that's you know, they're nasty,

1990
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,599
Speaker 2: yeah right, but yeah, Well, I've talked to some guys

1991
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 2: up there that are really good, you know, shed hunters

1992
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 2: in Alaska and that's I mean, they say, they just

1993
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 2: it's not finding them. It's just the logistics of getting

1994
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 2: them to anywhere you can even collect them or sell

1995
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:35,320
Speaker 2: them or whatever.

1996
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, we met a guy that does it for moose

1997
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: out of a super cub and he just lashes them

1998
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: to the struts. But yeah, but he's looking. He's picking

1999
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: up huge brown moose sheds. Yeah, and apparently the money

2000
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 1: is good enough that you're like burning that level of fuel.

2001
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's uh, what's moose moose shed worth versus antler

2002
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:00,719
Speaker 4: per pound?

2003
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 2: It used to be the highest. Like when I first

2004
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 2: really get into selling antlers, everybody wanted moose. But I

2005
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 2: think it's kind of slumped off a little bit comparatively.

2006
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 2: I think there's I can't remember if I read it.

2007
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 2: Maybe it was caribou, but there's one type of antler

2008
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 2: that's not as nutrient dense for like a dog chew,

2009
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 2: and the hardness isn't right for dogs, so it doesn't

2010
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 2: have as desirable of them.

2011
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: It might that might be caribou, but well that stuff

2012
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: is exceptionally hard.

2013
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. But I know the markets

2014
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 2: for moose is down a little bit. I think it's

2015
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 2: like maybe fifteen or sixteen dollars a pound.

2016
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: Last I heard another way down another thing about cariboo,

2017
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 1: which is interesting.

2018
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 2: It's got flex, really a lot of flex.

2019
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: Huh.

2020
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think I've ever really held like a

2021
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 2: big caribou antler.

2022
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: Oh you could take a big ass antler, put one

2023
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: in on the ground and press the top.

2024
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 5: And really yeah, very like bendable, got flex. Really you'll

2025
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 5: see those caribou running, you know and stuff and it jiggles.

2026
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool, it'll be it'll be back like hard

2027
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 4: Wie is like almost pliable.

2028
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 1: You can bend well, no, it goes right back, but

2029
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: it's got spring to it.

2030
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 2: Do they think they break less because of that? Man?

2031
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: You know where you know where they talk a lot

2032
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: about this is in John McPhee's Coming into the Country.

2033
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 1: He talks about the tool use of caribou antlers and

2034
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: talks about but I can't remember.

2035
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 2: I have to see if I can find a cliff

2036
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 2: note somewhere. That sounds like a good read.

2037
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: So when you do the all fifty uh, what's the

2038
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: goal of picking up shed antler in all fifty states?

2039
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 2: That's it quest?

2040
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 4: Can I follow up on that? Is it like you

2041
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 4: have a standard for size measurement or you'll like step

2042
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 4: foot in the state and be like Spike okay, yeah.

2043
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we got it to Arkansas. We met up

2044
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,680
Speaker 2: with my buddy Austin down there and he just had

2045
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 2: some public land kind of that he shed once occasionally.

2046
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 2: And we got out of the van, we crossed the road,

2047
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 2: walked up the hill and boom, Spike shed. I'm like,

2048
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 2: get back in. The fanboys were out of here. Count it. Yeah,

2049
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 2: we've knocked her off and away stays you guys so

2050
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 2: far fourteen and that's just since March.

2051
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: So are you gonna find one here while you're here?

2052
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. We're going tomorrow meeting up with Dylan from

2053
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 2: on X and we're headed here to Montana to look

2054
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 2: for El Caner.

2055
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 6: I I I.

2056
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 1: Got a little well you know what, The water's up

2057
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 1: right now?

2058
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 2: Pretty bad? Yeah? Got a spot.

2059
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, I think that I have a spot

2060
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 1: where you could very very very close by.

2061
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 2: So I like to hear, go find some sheds. Yeah,

2062
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:40,639
Speaker 2: I could take your point and sit it on the air.

2063
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna water is higher right now.

2064
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:43,679
Speaker 2: Waters.

2065
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 6: I went and looked a little something something this morning

2066
01:47:45,960 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 6: for something and I couldn't get there because.

2067
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 5: No, I swim, you can't even tell us what you're

2068
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 5: looking for.

2069
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,560
Speaker 1: No, when we leave here, I'll take you to a

2070
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 1: spot and I'll show you, and I guarantee you're going

2071
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: there and find one.

2072
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 2: Really, if you got a good shed, I I'm down. Yeah,

2073
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,639
Speaker 2: I got the shed. I I got the shed.

2074
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: I you know where I'm talking about?

2075
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 2: Do I maybe what kind of a shed? Would it be?

2076
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 2: White tail? Right on? I like picking white tail sheds.

2077
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 2: I found a new affinity for it. I got just

2078
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 2: the spot from you.

2079
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:20,560
Speaker 7: Let's go.

2080
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going that's fine, I'll show you where perfect,

2081
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 2: you'll be there and not long. That's good.

2082
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: I like.

2083
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 2: I like urban antlers. Yeah. I used to pick a

2084
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 2: lot of mule their sheds, Like in town and Cedar

2085
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 2: where I grew up. They were just coming to town

2086
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 2: at night and feeding vacant lots and everything, and we'd

2087
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 2: go pick them up. One of the biggest deer sheds

2088
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 2: I ever found came out of a vacant lot next

2089
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 2: to our hospital in town.

2090
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 6: Really nice.

2091
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: If someone came and said, I'm gonna take all your sheds,

2092
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 1: but you can only have one shed, and that's the

2093
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: only shed you can have for the rest of your life.

2094
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:03,600
Speaker 2: What shed would it be? Oh? Man, that's tough. I

2095
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 2: have this this Nevada ble that I picked up, and

2096
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 2: it was like it was cool because it was the

2097
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 2: first set I ever found in this new area. I

2098
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 2: went out there exploring, never been anywhere near there, and

2099
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 2: uh hiked all over, never found really any sign or anything.

2100
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 2: I got up on this point to glass, I put

2101
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 2: up my binocular glass and sheds. Oh yeah, yeah. We

2102
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:28,760
Speaker 2: glassed for antlers a lot. I remember setting. I'll bring

2103
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 2: a spotter if if I'm looking at big enough country,

2104
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 2: but most of the time just binoculars on a tripod.

2105
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: It's so funny you say that, because that's another way

2106
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: hunting moose. You find so many moose sheds.

2107
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, glassing just spot them scanning around.

2108
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 1: That's a great point.

2109
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tip.

2110
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 1: Glass and tip. That might be a good episode for

2111
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 1: the show Glass and for sheds.

2112
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 4: I wonder if we should claim it like.

2113
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 2: Glass and shed ched. I wore, Yeah, there you go,

2114
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,800
Speaker 2: So I glassed up, like yeah, one thing I like

2115
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 2: to do, and I'm glass for sheds. I'll put a

2116
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 2: timer on my phone and I'll make myself glass for

2117
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:13,719
Speaker 2: that long, because otherwise I'll get distracted and I won't

2118
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 2: won't put in the actual much. I think I set

2119
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 2: a timer for twenty minutes one spot.

2120
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 6: Do you like a string grid that you follow?

2121
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 2: I try to just follow terrain like I do. I do.

2122
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I do grid, but I'll just follow a

2123
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:27,439
Speaker 2: ridge down, pick up the next ridge, and go back up.

2124
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,759
Speaker 2: And if I'm going too fast after my ride myself

2125
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 2: to slow down.

2126
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: As you're talking, I'm thinking how many times I've glassed

2127
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 1: up like mildew sheds.

2128
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see them from a long ways away, but.

2129
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:38,840
Speaker 1: I've never sat down to glass of shed. Yeah, but

2130
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 1: you're just glassing and be like there's a shed yep,

2131
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,599
Speaker 1: that works the same. I can see how one would

2132
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: discover that, huh.

2133
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 2: But I glasted up a giant five point side out there,

2134
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 2: like an elk side, and I really wasn't even expecting

2135
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 2: there to be elk in that spot necessarily, and uh,

2136
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:57,560
Speaker 2: it was a long ways away. I got over to

2137
01:50:57,680 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 2: it and it was busted, but it was a great

2138
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 2: big like a three seventy type side off of a bowl.

2139
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:04,920
Speaker 2: And I walked up the ridge and his other side

2140
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 2: was right there and it's just this big webbed out

2141
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 2: and it's split on its fifth point and it's fourth

2142
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 2: and it has a little brow tying, so I was

2143
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:16,719
Speaker 2: like nine points on it totals just beautiful, heavy webbed

2144
01:51:16,760 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 2: out And I think that's my favorite elk shed that

2145
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 2: I've ever found. I'd probably unto, yeah, And what I

2146
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 2: like about it is like after I found those sheds,

2147
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,600
Speaker 2: I ended up finding like, over the course of the

2148
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,719
Speaker 2: next couple of years, probably one hundred to two hundred

2149
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,600
Speaker 2: elk sheds in that little spot, and it was just

2150
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 2: loaded up And I never would have gone in there

2151
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 2: if I wouldn't have seen that one side.

2152
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:39,639
Speaker 1: And it's paid off multiple years.

2153
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I go back there every year at some point.

2154
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 2: So that's the number one for me.

2155
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,640
Speaker 1: Have you, I know, the timing's way off, But does

2156
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 1: does your shed hunting activities inform your hunting activities a

2157
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: little bit?

2158
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 2: Like I do have some deer that I target and

2159
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 2: try to find their sheds specifically because I can hunt them,

2160
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 2: But most of the time I'm head into units that

2161
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna have a tag in, at least not

2162
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 2: for a long time. But it's helped like buddies, like

2163
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 2: my brother in law drew an elk tag in a

2164
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 2: unit in Nevada that I loved to shed hunk, and

2165
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 2: it was a late rifle tag, so all those elk

2166
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 2: were right where they would be during shed time. So

2167
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 2: we were able to see some of the bulls that

2168
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 2: I had antlers off of and use that knowledge to

2169
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 2: find big bulls right at that time. So yeah, we

2170
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 2: use it a little bit.

2171
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 1: It's not like a major tool what I wanted to

2172
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 1: ask about to lay out from me, how you're going

2173
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 1: to tackle the whole country. Are you being systematic about it?

2174
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 2: No, I'm not that systematic. I'll start in Florida's zag well,

2175
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 2: kind like I'll plan my road trips like that. Like

2176
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 2: I just did a road trip from Utah. I first

2177
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 2: place I was Texas, and we found some antlers in Texas,

2178
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,839
Speaker 2: and then we shot over and I got Mississippi and Alabama,

2179
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 2: and then we went north and got Arkansas and then

2180
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 2: up through Missouri and then went to Wisconsin and got

2181
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 2: Wisconsin Haikeyani's place and in Wisconsin and then you found

2182
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 2: you fohon on the left. I didn't find it on

2183
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 2: his place. Like the one I picked up was in

2184
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 2: Travis's which is right next door. Got it. And then

2185
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 2: I came home through north South Dakota, Minnesota, and so

2186
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 2: I just tried to hit them all on a big loop.

2187
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: But so, but here's the thing, here's what you're not

2188
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: thinking about too clearly. You got to go back down

2189
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: now and do Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, do Alabama.

2190
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Alabama.

2191
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 1: You should have mopped up that little corner down there.

2192
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 2: It's timing though, like I can't. I mean not trying

2193
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 2: to stay onn the road for like two weeks. You know,

2194
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,280
Speaker 2: do you turkey on it all? Not much.

2195
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 6: It's gonna say, if you're a turkey hunter, you could

2196
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:41,800
Speaker 6: fit in a lot of turkey hunting with these with

2197
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 6: these shed trips, for sure.

2198
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people that when I tell

2199
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 2: them I'm coming, they're like, let's go hunt turkeys and

2200
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:47,880
Speaker 2: look for sheds, And I just kind of tell them like,

2201
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm here to get antler and get out of here.

2202
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 2: So probably passing up some good opportunities. Does your wife

2203
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 2: like to look at the shed antlers? No, she doesn't

2204
01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 2: give a shit, Like I'll bring them home and show

2205
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 2: them to She's like, yeah, good job. Anyway, Yeah, I've

2206
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 2: been home with the kids for seven days.

2207
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask about that. How many kids

2208
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 1: you got?

2209
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 2: I have three boys, and how old? Seven, eight and four?

2210
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 2: That's great. How long you've been married eleven years? Eleven years?

2211
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 2: What's the key to eleven years of marriage? For us?

2212
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 2: It's to be gone a lot. That works great for us.

2213
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:23,120
Speaker 2: You don't get burned out. No, Like it's good because,

2214
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean, me and my wife were a good team.

2215
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 2: And when I'm home, it's cool. And then after about

2216
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 2: four or five days, she's ready to send me out

2217
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 2: the door again, and I go do my thing, and

2218
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 2: she's a very like she's a very career oriented woman.

2219
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,920
Speaker 2: She's very I mean, she just handles stuff. And so

2220
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 2: I come home and help out and do what I

2221
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 2: can see my boys, and then I'm gone again and

2222
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:45,080
Speaker 2: she just handles everything.

2223
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 1: Do they like shed hunting?

2224
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. The older they get, the more like they

2225
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 2: want to be involved and stuff. I'm excited for them

2226
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 2: to get out of school this year because we're going

2227
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of places this summer, little shed hunting family vacation. Yeah,

2228
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna go knock them all out. So that'd be good,

2229
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,879
Speaker 2: good movie man. Yeah, I'm excited for a little.

2230
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 1: Shed hunting road trip that have broad mass appeal.

2231
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:07,760
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it? Yeah, niche as it gets baby.

2232
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:10,720
Speaker 1: So this summer where you.

2233
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,280
Speaker 2: Guys gonna head, I'm gonna start knocking out Western states.

2234
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 2: I left a lot of them undone and just not

2235
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 2: mess with because of snow and because of the seasons,

2236
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,720
Speaker 2: and because you can get antlers all through the summer

2237
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 2: in the West. They don't really get eaten up that

2238
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:24,920
Speaker 2: bad and you can find out clanntlers in the tall grass.

2239
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start knocking those out. We're doing a

2240
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 2: thing with first light in June, so I'll go get

2241
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 2: Idaho then and then start working through I haven't done

2242
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 2: Avata yet, which is like my bread and butter.

2243
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 1: Are there any states that you're most worried about and

2244
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 1: you could use a little intel and you might take

2245
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 1: this opportunity to throw out, Hey, shoot me a DM

2246
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: as the kids say, about any hot tips for how

2247
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: I can pick off some certain state.

2248
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 2: I think the northeast has me a little worried. I

2249
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 2: main I have really covered like a lot of friends

2250
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 2: who pick up moose paddles. Main, but like I really

2251
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 2: don't know my way around any of the stuff, like Vermont,

2252
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, New Jersey. I mean, there's a lot of

2253
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 2: states out there that I'm just going into totally blind,

2254
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 2: and I don't really know anybody. So anybody in the

2255
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 2: Northeast would be super helpful then, even like North Carolina,

2256
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 2: South Carolina. I have some some friends like in the

2257
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 2: Virginia's but I think it's uh West Virginia that it

2258
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 2: might be illegal to pick him up on public land.

2259
01:56:25,680 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I'll have to find some.

2260
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 6: I found sheds in New Jersey just driving around. Really,

2261
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 6: there's so many deers that're just just laying around.

2262
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:34,720
Speaker 2: That's that's what I like to hear.

2263
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 6: See stay right in the van.

2264
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 2: It won't be that big of a deal.

2265
01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,760
Speaker 1: I know a guy that has so many white tails

2266
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: on his place that we were talking about ship antlers

2267
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 1: and he was complaining about them because they puncture his tires.

2268
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the that's one of the pictures.

2269
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 1: The first thing that came to his mind when we

2270
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 1: talked about shy.

2271
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 4: Doesn't he just become a seller real quick? You know?

2272
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't. There's a farmer he does.

2273
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 1: Farmers like to farm, and that's about all they want to,

2274
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, not all they want to do, but I

2275
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 1: mean it's just a demanding thing. And he's like, yeah,

2276
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 1: it was very critical of deer for dropping things that

2277
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:11,560
Speaker 1: puncture his tires.

2278
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 2: Well that's the number one like positive response when we

2279
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 2: ask for permission is is farmers saying like, yeah, get

2280
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 2: those damn things out of the field, please. But like

2281
01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 2: we even call people an offer and be like we're

2282
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:25,320
Speaker 2: picking up antlers. We save you some tires, and I

2283
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 2: mean you save them one one of those track tires

2284
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 2: are expensive.

2285
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell them I'm from the Tire Preservation Society. Yeah,

2286
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 1: that's honestly a decent pitch. We're doing some that's a

2287
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: shirt trying to find a shirt and here somewhere, Yeah,

2288
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: volunteers antler and it says the Tire Preservation is a

2289
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 1: shy warrior.

2290
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 2: And he's like smashing a tire with an antler. They

2291
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 2: could get somewhere. It's gotta be a t shirting here somewhere.

2292
01:57:49,480 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 1: We got a good shirt coming up, because my body. Tommy,

2293
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 1: he's in a Kyle Milken tournament.

2294
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:56,480
Speaker 2: A tournament.

2295
01:57:57,880 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 3: Is this the blue collar.

2296
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Listen, he's serious about man, they got a team

2297
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:06,280
Speaker 1: there's prize money. You got to milk a wild cow?

2298
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:12,680
Speaker 2: You got wild? Yes, now I know what You're just

2299
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 2: pictured him exercise in his hands. Man, you got to

2300
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 2: catch a cow and milk it. Yeah, those are pretty rowdy.

2301
01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 1: That's a great turn to do that.

2302
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 5: That like rodeos, I think, right, you gotta get a

2303
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:24,080
Speaker 5: drop of milk.

2304
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: So he's got a team and we're sponsoring his cow

2305
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: milking team. And then uh our artists, our artist did

2306
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 1: his team shirt Spencer. It's a gnome with a big

2307
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: old one of them old style bug jugs of milk

2308
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:44,440
Speaker 1: riding a milk bucking milk and cow. And so Tommy

2309
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: needed five of them, but we made one hundred and five.

2310
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna sell a hundred of them.

2311
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 2: One of those.

2312
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell ninety nine.

2313
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm keeping one.

2314
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have one if you got to, Well, we'll sell

2315
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 1: you one. Have something to sell here, all that's fair.

2316
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 2: Just give me some kind of a promo code, give

2317
01:59:02,520 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 2: me a deal we'll give you.

2318
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 1: Or if you trade me that five you know what

2319
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 1: that five that crazy five point Yeah, give me that.

2320
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 1: I'll give you that for a T shirt.

2321
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:12,240
Speaker 2: Milking shirt. Yeah, I'll think about.

2322
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 1: It all right, Well, tell people how to find you.

2323
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: You stick around for trivia?

2324
01:59:18,160 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you ever listened to the trivia show? Yeah?

2325
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,720
Speaker 2: I did one during hooton Nanny. I think your first

2326
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 2: light so yeah I did. Spencer hosted, Yeah, Spencer hosted.

2327
01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:30,720
Speaker 2: How'd you do? I think I got? I did?

2328
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:32,880
Speaker 1: Okay it the first light store in Haley.

2329
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 2: How'd you do? I think I got four or five? Right,

2330
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:40,400
Speaker 2: I think I maybe got second or third. So strong player. Yeah,

2331
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to oversell it.

2332
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna he's gonna throw you a bone

2333
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 1: or a shed. Okay, good stuff. That's he's gonna throw

2334
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: you a bone a shed. I'm gonna say that during

2335
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,360
Speaker 1: the trivia show, like it was my joke because it

2336
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:04,680
Speaker 1: might be.

2337
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 2: Different people listening.

2338
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people know I stole it, but I might

2339
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,720
Speaker 1: catch a few that don't know, because I meet a

2340
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of people in the airport and whatnot that just

2341
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:13,960
Speaker 1: listen to the tribute show.

2342
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:16,800
Speaker 6: Mm hmm taking over.

2343
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like you just like, oh my god, my

2344
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 2: boyfriend listens to the whole time. Drives me crazy stuff

2345
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:31,480
Speaker 2: like that. But yeah, what was that joke?

2346
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:32,760
Speaker 1: Oh, throw you a shed?

2347
02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 2: But I don't know what it would be.

2348
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 1: How do you throw a shed hunter a bone in

2349
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 1: the tributa show?

2350
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll find out.

2351
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 4: Maybe it'll be something about like regulations.

2352
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:43,160
Speaker 2: What state.

2353
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 1: It'll be like what state does not have a ton

2354
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 1: of excessive drinking?

2355
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:49,320
Speaker 2: Yep?

2356
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,320
Speaker 1: Probably like yeah, my home state.

2357
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to see that map. If they're talking

2358
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 2: about green yellow though, it would be a whole different story.

2359
02:00:57,200 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 1: Green yellowp uh huh.

2360
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Donta's number one and green jellow consumption, which is

2361
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:06,640
Speaker 2: what like narrow jellow shot. No, no, this is no,

2362
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 2: there's no innuendo involved. I'm talking about actual jello jello. Yeah,

2363
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:13,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. It was like, why do I

2364
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:16,400
Speaker 2: like green jello? I don't know, man, I was just

2365
02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 2: born there. That's something that we always eat. Huh.

2366
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:20,640
Speaker 1: Do you hunt pretty hard?

2367
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2368
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:22,920
Speaker 1: Do you hunt more than you hunt shit? Do you

2369
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 1: hunt deer more? Or do you hunt animals more than sheds?

2370
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably now you do?

2371
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:27,560
Speaker 7: Well?

2372
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used for a long time, No way, a

2373
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:33,720
Speaker 2: long time. I would shed hunt maybe like fifty seventy

2374
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:35,920
Speaker 2: five days a year and then just hunt my couple

2375
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 2: tags in Utah. Let me ask you this because.

2376
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,760
Speaker 1: It's the true test all right, have you ever shed

2377
02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:42,040
Speaker 1: hunted deering hunting season?

2378
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. There's a lot of times where like

2379
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,800
Speaker 2: I'll start hunting and start glassing antlers and I'm like,

2380
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 2: screw it, I'm shed hunting now, and so I'll just

2381
02:01:50,120 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 2: go start walking ridges and picking up antlers. If I

2382
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 2: start finding sheds while I'm hunting, I drop interest in honting.

2383
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:01,480
Speaker 2: But it's dedication, Yeah, edication, shedycation.

2384
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 3: How about this like shed heead like like you know,

2385
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 3: like like a grateful day, but it's like all those

2386
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:12,920
Speaker 3: little rainbow bears, you know, but they're holding different sheds. Yeah, huh,

2387
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 3: you guys are that.

2388
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:16,920
Speaker 2: I can tell you guys are new to the shed market.

2389
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:21,240
Speaker 2: I can tell also, Yeah, that's completely original. Yeah. I

2390
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:25,040
Speaker 2: think you could find it on instolvent look it up

2391
02:02:25,080 --> 02:02:25,920
Speaker 2: Phil shed heads.

2392
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:27,720
Speaker 1: All right, tell people how to find yourself.

2393
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:30,800
Speaker 2: So you find me on Instagram at shed crazy all

2394
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 2: one word. Same with YouTube, shed Crazy And uh, you've

2395
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:37,560
Speaker 2: got a lot of subscribers on YouTube. Yeah, it's like

2396
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 2: maybe thirty twenty five thirty thousand there. That's great.

2397
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, how how often you drop video?

2398
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:44,920
Speaker 2: I've been dropping two a week while I've been on

2399
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:46,200
Speaker 2: this shed tour.

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02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:47,760
Speaker 6: So you got some fresh content.

2401
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a bunch. I think there's at least

2402
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 2: I think I'm totally up to date on the USA tour.

2403
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,520
Speaker 2: So Sweeten, everything's live over there?

2404
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 1: Does that live under its own house?

2405
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:58,720
Speaker 2: Not really, It's just all on my shed Crazy channel.

2406
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 2: I'll make a playlist for it so people can just

2407
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 2: binge those episodes if they want. But cool, that's great,

2408
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 2: Good luck man, Thank you. I appreciate it.

2409
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,400
Speaker 1: Sure you don't want to ask for any hot tips

2410
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 1: any spot.

2411
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I have a link on my Instagram that

2412
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 2: has like a Google form people can fill out, and

2413
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:19,960
Speaker 2: it's a bunch of questions and like, you know, information.

2414
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 4: That's such a way.

2415
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:25,360
Speaker 2: That was my wife's idea again, So it's a form

2416
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 2: they can go and fill. It's like a questionnaire basically

2417
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 2: like what state are you in? Like what kind of

2418
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 2: animals you know, like you know, shed hunts. What's your information?

2419
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:33,560
Speaker 2: And then I can go through to the back end

2420
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 2: and read the responses and then contact people via phone

2421
02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 2: or email off of their responses so.

2422
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 4: He doesn't get bombarded with random I.

2423
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:44,960
Speaker 2: Understand now, yea, because I'm getting like hundreds of d

2424
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 2: MS people that come here, and I'm like, oh, sweet, yeah,

2425
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:48,920
Speaker 2: for sure I will. But then they're so lost in

2426
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,440
Speaker 2: the messages by the time, Oh I understand, I get there.

2427
02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:54,880
Speaker 2: So it's a big help. So check them out.

2428
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,280
Speaker 1: Shed Crazy, your real name doesn't even matter. Bend out

2429
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 1: of money.

2430
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:01,520
Speaker 2: Yep, nobody calls me. That calls me Shed what's your

2431
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 2: wife call you? I don't know, I can say it

2432
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:05,040
Speaker 2: on the air.

2433
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:08,520
Speaker 1: All right, man, thanks for coming on.

2434
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:09,200
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.

2435
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:10,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you want to have a laugh, go

2436
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 1: to Shed Crazy on Instagram. Super funny videos, no toughness,

2437
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:20,480
Speaker 1: no zero percent, just fun, just laughs, no tough all laughs. Yeah,

2438
02:04:21,000 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 1: all right man, thanks a lot.

2439
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 2: Rid On.

2440
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:40,320
Speaker 4: On seal Gray shine like silver in the sun.

2441
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 7: Riright, rid On alone, sweetheart.

2442
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 10: We done beat this damn course to dad taking her

2443
02:04:57,680 --> 02:05:08,360
Speaker 10: new rid We're done beat this damn parsday. So take

2444
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:10,680
Speaker 10: your new one and right on.

2445
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:24,400
Speaker 7: Welcome to this country Life. I'm your host, Brent Rieves

2446
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:28,880
Speaker 7: from coon hunting to trot lining and just general country living.

2447
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 7: I want you to stay a while as I share

2448
02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 7: my stories and the country skills that will help you

2449
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:37,560
Speaker 7: beat the system. This country Life is proudly presented as

2450
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 7: part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network, bringing you the best

2451
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 7: outdoor podcast the airways have to offer. All right, friends,

2452
02:05:45,400 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 7: pull you up a chair or drop that tailgate. I

2453
02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 7: think I got a thing or two the teacher. The

2454
02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:00,760
Speaker 7: stuff we towed around in our pockets every day carry

2455
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:03,720
Speaker 7: is a term I'm only recently familiar with, but one

2456
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:06,480
Speaker 7: I've been practicing since my feet hit the ground in

2457
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:10,640
Speaker 7: the mid sixties. Now that's only partially true because some

2458
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:13,640
Speaker 7: of that time, at least initially, I was what was

2459
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:18,120
Speaker 7: being toted around every day. But from my earliest memories

2460
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:20,920
Speaker 7: of having breeches with pockets, I've had my go to

2461
02:06:21,080 --> 02:06:24,000
Speaker 7: items that I couldn't leave the crib without, especially after

2462
02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:26,560
Speaker 7: I got out of the actual crib. Now why is

2463
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 7: this important because a man needs to be prepared. Well,

2464
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:33,520
Speaker 7: that's partially true. The correct answer is we all need

2465
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:37,240
Speaker 7: to be prepared and carry things we need, So feel

2466
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:43,160
Speaker 7: free to interchange pocket with purse, backpack, satchel, briefcase, sock, brazier,

2467
02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:46,640
Speaker 7: or wherever you decide to cash something that you might

2468
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 7: need later. But what are these items? Are they there

2469
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:53,920
Speaker 7: out of necessity and utility or are they simply there

2470
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,560
Speaker 7: for nostalgia or maybe a little bit of both. I

2471
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 7: can't speak for yours, but I'm going to tell you

2472
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 7: all about mine. We're gonna talk about it in a minute,

2473
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:11,640
Speaker 7: because first I'm gonna tell you a story. Mister Bill

2474
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 7: Chancellor was attractor mechanic. He could more accurately be described

2475
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 7: as the tractor mechanic. Now, I'm not saying he was

2476
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 7: the only one around, because where I grew up, you

2477
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,240
Speaker 7: couldn't swing a dead cat around more than once without

2478
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,360
Speaker 7: hitting the tractor man. Regardless of where you were standing.

2479
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:33,040
Speaker 7: There was lots of folks that were tractor mechanics. What

2480
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:36,280
Speaker 7: I am saying is, if a tractor mechanic needed a

2481
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:40,240
Speaker 7: tractor mechanic, he called mister Bill. Now, I can't remember

2482
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,800
Speaker 7: where my dad got his tractor, but it wasn't in

2483
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:45,000
Speaker 7: the best of shape, and he got a pretty good

2484
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:47,440
Speaker 7: deal on it because of that. It was a thirty

2485
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 7: five horsepower massive Ferson and the red paint had long

2486
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:54,040
Speaker 7: faded to a rust brown, and the gray color of

2487
02:07:54,080 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 7: the engine and the chassis that was all gone. There

2488
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:59,120
Speaker 7: was a little paddent left in the seat, and the

2489
02:07:59,200 --> 02:08:02,080
Speaker 7: only thing left that identified it as a massive Ferguson

2490
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 7: was a sliver of one of the decals that was

2491
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,800
Speaker 7: on the hood, but the plan was to help mister

2492
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:11,040
Speaker 7: Bill rebuild it from the floor to the ceiling and

2493
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:14,120
Speaker 7: mister Bill's shop. So whenever Dad got away from work

2494
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 7: that summer, we worked on that tractor under the guidance

2495
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:22,440
Speaker 7: of mister Bill. I was probably eleven or twelve and

2496
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 7: trying to make a track in every track my Daddy

2497
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:28,120
Speaker 7: made at that time, And on this particular day we

2498
02:08:28,240 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 7: were nearing the completion of the tractor restoration that let

2499
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 7: me tell you that joker looked good. The engine had

2500
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:39,800
Speaker 7: been completely overhauled. The paint was original Massy Ferguson red

2501
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 7: and gray paint. Mister Bill had replaced the decals with

2502
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:47,440
Speaker 7: originals he'd gotten from the massive Ferguson headquarters. I remember

2503
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 7: exactly where I was standing, watching mister Bill as he

2504
02:08:50,440 --> 02:08:53,240
Speaker 7: adjusted something under the hood, and he asked my dad

2505
02:08:53,320 --> 02:08:56,640
Speaker 7: above the racket of the tractor. He said, Buddy, I

2506
02:08:56,760 --> 02:09:00,320
Speaker 7: can't reach my knife, let me borrow yours. I started

2507
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:03,160
Speaker 7: looking around for mister Bill's knife because I knew my

2508
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:04,680
Speaker 7: Dad was not about.

2509
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 2: To hand him his.

2510
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 7: When I see my Dad reaching his pocket and hand

2511
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:11,240
Speaker 7: it to him, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

2512
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 7: I wasn't allowed to touch it, and here mister Bill

2513
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 7: was scraping and gallging on metal with all his might.

2514
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 2: I was shocked.

2515
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:21,560
Speaker 7: That was a killing of fence. But my dad just

2516
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 7: looked on like nothing was happening, Like the previous eleven

2517
02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:28,320
Speaker 7: years of proper knife care instruction that he drilled into

2518
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 7: my head had never happened. That's a knife, not a screwdriver.

2519
02:09:33,160 --> 02:09:36,640
Speaker 7: That's a knife, not a hammer. And yet right before

2520
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:40,560
Speaker 7: my eyes, I was watching mister Bill slap annihilate the

2521
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 7: edge off my father's case knife, which was the knife

2522
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:50,040
Speaker 7: everyone who knew reeves was correctly spelled r EA and

2523
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 7: not re carried in their pocket. There were no exceptions.

2524
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:58,640
Speaker 7: Dad got that pocket knife back and eventually we loaded

2525
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,480
Speaker 7: up and we headed home. Now we ain't got out

2526
02:10:01,480 --> 02:10:03,880
Speaker 7: of the driveway when I said that I saw you

2527
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:07,280
Speaker 7: had mister Bill your pocket knife. He kind of laughed

2528
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:10,520
Speaker 7: and he said, son, you saw me hand him a

2529
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:14,360
Speaker 7: pocket knife. He handed it to me. It wasn't a

2530
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 7: case I was a little confused. I said, I thought

2531
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:20,280
Speaker 7: we only told the case knives. He said, we do, son,

2532
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:29,600
Speaker 7: but we don't want them all right, every day carry

2533
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 7: e DC for short the stuff in your pocket or

2534
02:10:34,120 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 7: in my case pockets, because I got stuff in just

2535
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:40,360
Speaker 7: about all of them. This is learned behavior from someone

2536
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:43,200
Speaker 7: in my formative years, like my dad, my grandpa, my

2537
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:46,520
Speaker 7: older brothers, folks I spent the most time hanging out with,

2538
02:10:47,200 --> 02:10:50,160
Speaker 7: which was exactly how they came about carrying the items

2539
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:54,080
Speaker 7: in their pockets. Every male member of the Rhees family

2540
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,040
Speaker 7: carries a case pocket knife. Now you ladies, hold on

2541
02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 7: to you hate mail. My sister in law has a

2542
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 7: collection of them that would rival most museums.

2543
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:04,480
Speaker 2: I kid you not.

2544
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 7: My wife doesn't tell one because she has me, but

2545
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 7: if she wanted to, she would, and I would make

2546
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 7: sure she had a good one. Now, I don't know

2547
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:17,640
Speaker 7: what number of great grandpas it was that started this tradition,

2548
02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 7: but I could testify that the Reeves family has been

2549
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:24,640
Speaker 7: patrolled in Arkansas and removing with a knife all the

2550
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:27,800
Speaker 7: parts of animals that don't taste good since before the

2551
02:11:27,880 --> 02:11:31,640
Speaker 7: Civil War and way before the case brothers got together

2552
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:34,960
Speaker 7: in eighteen eighty nine and commenced to giving birth to

2553
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:38,440
Speaker 7: what would become a staple in the Reeves boys every

2554
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:43,120
Speaker 7: day carry the case pocket knife. Around nineteen twenty one

2555
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 7: of them jokers designed the trapper model, and that's the one.

2556
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:51,000
Speaker 7: That knife has become a part of our identity. And

2557
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:53,280
Speaker 7: you can bet one thing for sure. If you see

2558
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 7: one of us and need a knife, we got at

2559
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:58,880
Speaker 7: least one. We ain't gonna let you borrow it. Just

2560
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 7: show us what you need, cut and get out of

2561
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 7: the way. Anyway. Let's start with the right front pocket

2562
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:11,720
Speaker 7: of these American made round house overalls. Inside you'll find

2563
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,800
Speaker 7: a case, pocket knife and a tuba chapstick. Now, some

2564
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 7: might say, why would a man told a pocket knife

2565
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:20,120
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three, Same reason he told one in

2566
02:12:20,240 --> 02:12:23,919
Speaker 7: six hundred BC, when the first folding knife was invented.

2567
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:27,280
Speaker 7: Did I say six hundred BC? I sure did, because

2568
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:29,640
Speaker 7: that's when some cat in Austria got tired of his

2569
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,440
Speaker 7: wife hollering at him for poking holes in his breeches

2570
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 7: every time he put his knife back in his pocket. Now,

2571
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:37,560
Speaker 7: I'm sure she had plenty of soul and to do

2572
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:40,400
Speaker 7: without fixing his clothes every time he got finished skin

2573
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:43,320
Speaker 7: in a mess of squirrel soap. He invented the folding

2574
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 7: pocket knife and marital bliss, and for at least twenty

2575
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:50,280
Speaker 7: six hundred years a man that was prepared and ready

2576
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:53,040
Speaker 7: to be a man has toaded a pocket knife and

2577
02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:56,760
Speaker 7: just think six hundred and one years after he invented it,

2578
02:12:57,160 --> 02:13:00,280
Speaker 7: say around one ad. I bet he was a most

2579
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:03,240
Speaker 7: popular dadd in Austria when the tales of him setting

2580
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:06,080
Speaker 7: around the tree cutting ribbons off of Christmas presents quicker

2581
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:09,880
Speaker 7: than a hiccup way to gold Man in Austria, You, sir,

2582
02:13:10,240 --> 02:13:13,440
Speaker 7: are a legend. Now. If you're not prepared to answer

2583
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,880
Speaker 7: the call when your wife hollers for you cut something

2584
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:20,480
Speaker 7: for I wonder about your priorities and her judgment. At

2585
02:13:20,520 --> 02:13:22,840
Speaker 7: the beginning of our marriage, a lectis would say, Brent,

2586
02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:25,880
Speaker 7: do you have your knife? And my answer would usually

2587
02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:29,680
Speaker 7: reference a question about a bear's wilderness bathroom habits. Now

2588
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:33,839
Speaker 7: years later, as she celebrates daily her lottery like husband,

2589
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:37,480
Speaker 7: when it's a simple honey, cut this for me and bam,

2590
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:41,840
Speaker 7: the deed is done, I'm always ready. A pocket knife

2591
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:45,240
Speaker 7: can protect your family, skin your supper, help you build

2592
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:49,839
Speaker 7: a shelter, open a package, perform surgery. The possible uses

2593
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:53,600
Speaker 7: are endless. When you need one and have it, life

2594
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:56,640
Speaker 7: is golden when you need one and don't. There's not

2595
02:13:56,760 --> 02:14:00,280
Speaker 7: a more helpless feeling. This is normally where I in

2596
02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 7: a story about how I got in a bind one

2597
02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:05,560
Speaker 7: time and needed a knife and didn't have one. I

2598
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:08,720
Speaker 7: can't do that, you know why, because I ain't never

2599
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:11,760
Speaker 7: been with that one, except when we go to airport's

2600
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:15,640
Speaker 7: concerts and different places now where you can't tote one.

2601
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:18,440
Speaker 7: I can't tell you how many times I'll pat my

2602
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:21,360
Speaker 7: pocket for the knife that ain't there, and the short

2603
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:24,720
Speaker 7: lived panic that startles me till I realized I didn't

2604
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:27,480
Speaker 7: bring it with me on purpose, which reminds me of

2605
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:30,040
Speaker 7: a time when me and Clay Nukem we're catching a

2606
02:14:30,120 --> 02:14:33,680
Speaker 7: flight out of northwest Arkansas. We were headed for British

2607
02:14:33,720 --> 02:14:36,720
Speaker 7: Columbia on a bear hunt, and it's not a big airport,

2608
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:39,880
Speaker 7: but the security folks there are just as observant and

2609
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,600
Speaker 7: dedicated to doing their job and making things safe for

2610
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:46,200
Speaker 7: all of us. Fortunately, we were in Arkansas and not

2611
02:14:46,360 --> 02:14:48,960
Speaker 7: some big city airport when the X ray man found

2612
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 7: the skinny knife and Clay Bow's carry on. Apparently our

2613
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:55,400
Speaker 7: clothes and our gear leaned more toward a couple of

2614
02:14:55,480 --> 02:14:58,840
Speaker 7: hunters than a couple of fellows with nefarious intentions. We

2615
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 7: called Misty. She came and picked up the knife. The

2616
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:05,680
Speaker 7: TSA guy was cool about it. Besides, we had several

2617
02:15:05,800 --> 02:15:09,080
Speaker 7: others legally packed and secured in our luggage. We wound

2618
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:11,240
Speaker 7: up not needing the skin a knife anyway, But that's

2619
02:15:11,240 --> 02:15:12,320
Speaker 7: a different story.

2620
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:15,840
Speaker 2: All right.

2621
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:19,280
Speaker 7: Pocket knife covered that one pretty well, at least till

2622
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:21,600
Speaker 7: we get to the other pocket. But until we do,

2623
02:15:22,440 --> 02:15:26,320
Speaker 7: what else is in the old right front pocket? Chapstick?

2624
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:29,960
Speaker 7: Now here's a disclaimer down here. We call lip bomb

2625
02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:33,840
Speaker 7: chapstick regardless of the brand, but we never call it

2626
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:37,280
Speaker 7: lip bomb. Hey, I don't make the rules. I just

2627
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:41,640
Speaker 7: live bomb. That's the end of the disclaimer. Chapstick. Not

2628
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:45,280
Speaker 7: much you can say about that. Sure you can. You

2629
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:47,640
Speaker 7: can dive it on a cut to help stop bleeding.

2630
02:15:48,280 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 7: You can use it to moisturize dry skin. Heck, you

2631
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:53,680
Speaker 7: can even use it to help with building a fire

2632
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:57,120
Speaker 7: and keep you from having chapped lips. My dad told

2633
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 7: me a joke when I was a kid about an

2634
02:15:58,640 --> 02:16:01,440
Speaker 7: old cowboy that rode into town from out on the range.

2635
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:03,800
Speaker 7: Instead of rushing into the sloan to get him a

2636
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:06,600
Speaker 7: cold drink, he hitched his horse up and pulled a

2637
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:09,320
Speaker 7: brush out of his saddle and started brushing itself off.

2638
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:11,840
Speaker 7: The mayor of the town was watching him as the

2639
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:15,760
Speaker 7: cowboy cleaned up as best he could, straightened his clothes,

2640
02:16:16,200 --> 02:16:18,880
Speaker 7: washed his hands in the trough, and tucked his shirt in.

2641
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:22,320
Speaker 7: The mayor was impressed and started walking toward him and

2642
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 7: welcomed him to the town. When the cowboy walked around

2643
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:27,520
Speaker 7: to the back of the horse, poked his finger and

2644
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,520
Speaker 7: the horses behind, and rubbed it on his lips, the

2645
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:34,000
Speaker 7: mayor was shocked, but he welcomed him anyway, and he said,

2646
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:37,200
Speaker 7: I appreciate you cleaning up when you got here. We

2647
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 7: got a lovely little town and we want to keep

2648
02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 7: it that way. But man, I only got one question.

2649
02:16:43,160 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 7: Why did you poke your horses behind and rub it

2650
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:49,320
Speaker 7: on your lips. The old cowboy looked at him and said,

2651
02:16:49,360 --> 02:16:51,920
Speaker 7: my lips are chapped, and the mayor said, oh, what

2652
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,360
Speaker 7: is that cure? And the cowboy said no, but it

2653
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:57,960
Speaker 7: keeps me from licking them and making it worse. Told

2654
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:00,920
Speaker 7: some chapstick with you. It's smaller and a horse cheaper

2655
02:17:00,959 --> 02:17:04,800
Speaker 7: to feed, and there's no bad aftertaste. The right front

2656
02:17:04,879 --> 02:17:10,840
Speaker 7: pocket is done, so what's an old lefty? The loaner

2657
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:14,120
Speaker 7: pocket knife, a buckeye and a sack at your wheel

2658
02:17:14,200 --> 02:17:17,480
Speaker 7: one dollar coin. The loner knife is for your friend

2659
02:17:17,560 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 7: that doesn't carry one but finds himself in the need

2660
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:23,520
Speaker 7: of one on occasion, which is the very reason you

2661
02:17:23,640 --> 02:17:27,320
Speaker 7: tote one to begin with. And if he doesn't tote one,

2662
02:17:27,640 --> 02:17:30,280
Speaker 7: he ain't got enough sense not to use your good

2663
02:17:30,320 --> 02:17:33,360
Speaker 7: one in a manner that it wasn't designed. All these

2664
02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:35,600
Speaker 7: things I'm about to say now go slap out the

2665
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:38,080
Speaker 7: window and in its emergency, when it's life and death,

2666
02:17:38,480 --> 02:17:42,440
Speaker 7: nothing else matters. However, when it ain't and you need

2667
02:17:42,520 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 7: a wire cut, a screw tightened, or a pry bar,

2668
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:49,000
Speaker 7: don't look at me and ask to borrow my pocket knife.

2669
02:17:49,480 --> 02:17:53,960
Speaker 7: It's something to be respected, taken care of, maintained, and

2670
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:57,800
Speaker 7: sharpened regularly, because a dull one is of no service

2671
02:17:57,879 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 7: to anyone. Now, I'm not gonna tell you what the

2672
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:03,480
Speaker 7: brand of my loneer pocket knife is because it don't matter.

2673
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:04,920
Speaker 2: It ain't a case.

2674
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 7: It's a well made pocket knife, I assure you. But

2675
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:10,600
Speaker 7: I'm talking about what's in my pockets and what I

2676
02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 7: like the best. You may hate case pocket knives and

2677
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,640
Speaker 7: like something totally different. I don't care. That's fine with me.

2678
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:18,600
Speaker 7: But you ought to be in jail if you do.

2679
02:18:19,200 --> 02:18:22,800
Speaker 7: Just kidding, not really. What about that sack of jewee

2680
02:18:22,879 --> 02:18:25,240
Speaker 7: a one dollar coin, Well, I can tell you it

2681
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:28,800
Speaker 7: was minted in two thousand. Monetarily it's worth whatever a

2682
02:18:28,879 --> 02:18:31,680
Speaker 7: dollarbile value. But my wife gave it to me. And

2683
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 7: if you don't know who sack of jewel is, do

2684
02:18:34,480 --> 02:18:37,160
Speaker 7: yourself a favor and look her up, or better yet,

2685
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:41,920
Speaker 7: read Undaunted Courage by Stephen Ambrose. That book is thicker

2686
02:18:41,959 --> 02:18:44,560
Speaker 7: than a cathead biscuit, but worth the effort and just

2687
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 7: as ease to digest. She was an invaluable guide and

2688
02:18:48,720 --> 02:18:51,520
Speaker 7: interpreter that helped Lewis and Clark find their way across

2689
02:18:51,560 --> 02:18:54,520
Speaker 7: the wilderness and back when our country was young and

2690
02:18:54,640 --> 02:18:57,600
Speaker 7: we didn't know our behinds from fifteen cents about anything

2691
02:18:57,680 --> 02:19:00,680
Speaker 7: west to Saint Louis. The coin serves is a symbol

2692
02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 7: from my wife to me that when I'm out on

2693
02:19:03,160 --> 02:19:05,640
Speaker 7: a hunt or a long journey, that I can always

2694
02:19:05,720 --> 02:19:09,400
Speaker 7: find my way home. She's my Sackagey will. She's a

2695
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:11,880
Speaker 7: whole lot more, but she's not much on skin and

2696
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:14,800
Speaker 7: stuff though, and I have a feeling Sackagey we was anyway,

2697
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:16,120
Speaker 7: That's why I told it.

2698
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:20,600
Speaker 2: The buckeye.

2699
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:23,600
Speaker 7: If you've listened to any of the Bear Grease Render

2700
02:19:23,720 --> 02:19:27,600
Speaker 7: podcast you may have heard me mention it. I'll tell

2701
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:30,840
Speaker 7: you about this particular one in a minute. First, I

2702
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:32,879
Speaker 7: want to talk about why you'd have one.

2703
02:19:32,959 --> 02:19:33,480
Speaker 2: To begin with.

2704
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:39,040
Speaker 7: Esculus pavia, commonly referred to as the red buckeye, that

2705
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,960
Speaker 7: is the most prominent variety of the two known grove

2706
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:46,240
Speaker 7: to Arkansas. It produces a nut, which is actually the seed,

2707
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:49,760
Speaker 7: and it grows in a pod that matures in late summer. Now,

2708
02:19:49,800 --> 02:19:51,840
Speaker 7: folks have been toting them in their pockets for luck

2709
02:19:51,920 --> 02:19:55,280
Speaker 7: for generations. There's an old saying that when you'll never

2710
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:57,640
Speaker 7: find a dead man with a buck eye in his pocket.

2711
02:19:58,080 --> 02:19:58,200
Speaker 2: Now.

2712
02:19:58,200 --> 02:19:59,880
Speaker 7: I don't know if that's because you don't find a

2713
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,240
Speaker 7: a lot of dead men laying around, or because it

2714
02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:04,959
Speaker 7: wouldn't be too cool to peel for through their clothes

2715
02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:08,039
Speaker 7: if you did, my family, close friends, and I would

2716
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:10,200
Speaker 7: give them to each other as tokens of good luck

2717
02:20:10,280 --> 02:20:13,800
Speaker 7: for hunting. Somewhere in our families passed it was dictated

2718
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:16,200
Speaker 7: that one hunter had to give it to another for

2719
02:20:16,360 --> 02:20:18,920
Speaker 7: it to work. You couldn't just find one and put

2720
02:20:18,959 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 7: it in your pocket and reap the benefits. That ain't

2721
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:21,879
Speaker 7: how that works.

2722
02:20:22,520 --> 02:20:22,640
Speaker 2: Now.

2723
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:26,160
Speaker 7: I'm not superstitious at all. I just firmly believe that

2724
02:20:26,280 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 7: if I was to lose the one I got in

2725
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:30,720
Speaker 7: my pocket, that I wouldn't never have another successful hunt.

2726
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:32,920
Speaker 7: The one I have I've been caring for close to

2727
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:35,560
Speaker 7: ten years, and it means a lot to me. First

2728
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:38,120
Speaker 7: time I met Old Clay Bow, he'd ask me to

2729
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:40,400
Speaker 7: come film a bear hunt for him in the Washtall

2730
02:20:40,480 --> 02:20:43,600
Speaker 7: Mountains in Arkansas. He and the majority of his youngest

2731
02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:45,880
Speaker 7: took me around where he grew up hunting, and we

2732
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,400
Speaker 7: wound up on a mountain in the area and I

2733
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 7: saw a buckeye bush. I told him the story of

2734
02:20:51,800 --> 02:20:55,160
Speaker 7: how my family traded them back and forth and handed

2735
02:20:55,240 --> 02:20:57,640
Speaker 7: him one, and in return, he gave one to me.

2736
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:01,440
Speaker 7: I'm still toting it to this day, and I have

2737
02:21:01,800 --> 02:21:05,880
Speaker 7: every day since that hunt nearly ten years ago. Clay's

2738
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:08,240
Speaker 7: always amazed when he asked about it and I take

2739
02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:09,720
Speaker 7: it out of my pocket and show it to me.

2740
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:12,200
Speaker 7: He told me he lost the one I gave him

2741
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:14,720
Speaker 7: before we got off the mountain that day. He didn't

2742
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:18,360
Speaker 7: kill a bear that year either. The incidence we'll never

2743
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:26,840
Speaker 7: know for sure, but no absolutely not a coincidence. In

2744
02:21:26,959 --> 02:21:29,640
Speaker 7: the bill of my overalls. On the right side, I

2745
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:34,040
Speaker 7: carried my billfold all my folding money. Inside that bill

2746
02:21:34,120 --> 02:21:37,880
Speaker 7: fold is a five centennial quarter, a quarter minuted in

2747
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:41,680
Speaker 7: nineteen seventy six. My dad had jars full of them, so,

2748
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:45,440
Speaker 7: along with everything else that's part of my uniform, I

2749
02:21:45,560 --> 02:21:48,200
Speaker 7: told one of those in remembrance of him. Until I

2750
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:52,400
Speaker 7: started thinking about all my everyday carry items to tell

2751
02:21:52,440 --> 02:21:56,080
Speaker 7: you all about, I never really seen how much connection

2752
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:58,680
Speaker 7: there was to the memories of my family who passed away,

2753
02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:02,040
Speaker 7: But now I do, and talking about each one of

2754
02:22:02,120 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 7: them makes me smile. I've always fancied a good pocket watch,

2755
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 7: and on one Father's Day, my wife and little girl

2756
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:12,360
Speaker 7: Bailey gave me one. It came all the way from London, England,

2757
02:22:12,440 --> 02:22:15,240
Speaker 7: and it keeps time like a man possessed. It has

2758
02:22:15,320 --> 02:22:18,720
Speaker 7: a decorative silver coon attached to a short chain on

2759
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:20,640
Speaker 7: the other end that hangs on the outside of the

2760
02:22:20,680 --> 02:22:24,240
Speaker 7: bill by overalls. Now for all those that have a

2761
02:22:24,320 --> 02:22:28,160
Speaker 7: pair of overalls, real overalls, and you never quite figured

2762
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:30,440
Speaker 7: out what that slit was above the bill of the

2763
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:34,160
Speaker 7: pockets and the small hidden pocket sewing into the scene

2764
02:22:34,400 --> 02:22:36,280
Speaker 7: on the bib. If you didn't know what that was for,

2765
02:22:37,320 --> 02:22:40,800
Speaker 7: stand by for news. It's for your pocket watch chain

2766
02:22:41,360 --> 02:22:45,280
Speaker 7: and your pocket watch. The watch is obviously for telling time,

2767
02:22:45,400 --> 02:22:47,760
Speaker 7: but the fob tells everyone a little bit about you.

2768
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:51,480
Speaker 7: It makes a statement without making one. I like to

2769
02:22:51,560 --> 02:22:54,160
Speaker 7: think that when folks see mind It, they see a

2770
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:57,400
Speaker 7: country boy that's proud of where he came from, proud

2771
02:22:57,400 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 7: of the folks he raised him, and even more proud

2772
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 7: to share these stories. Thank you so much for listening.

2773
02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:06,640
Speaker 7: If you like it, share it with your friends. Maybe

2774
02:23:06,680 --> 02:23:11,200
Speaker 7: they'll like it too. And hey, beat the system. Talk

2775
02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:14,680
Speaker 7: to pocket knives, keep the good one for yourself, along

2776
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:17,920
Speaker 7: the other ones to your friends. This is Brent Reeves

2777
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:18,560
Speaker 7: signing off.

2778
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:20,279
Speaker 2: Y'all be careful