1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks so 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: much for joining us again. Kathy and I are so 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: excited to be back. How are you today, Kat? 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: Ugh, Well, I'm okay, except you know, I sprained my 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: back because I had to decorate for Christmas early, so 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: I was lugging the tree and so you know, I 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: need some pain meds not on it yet, but I'm 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: getting them. 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: I too like to put my trees up, yeah, because 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: it feels so rushed afterwards and then between traveling a 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: little bit. Because I'm excited about what's coming up for 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: me in Las Vegas. I have to have everything done 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: before I get I think I actually gave you the 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: idea to get that tree. I'm sorry. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Oh no, I've had a tree in my garage every year. 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: I haven't put up for the last few years because 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: I've been out of town. But this year I'm going 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: to be home and I thought, you know, why not 19 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: get it done early. So that's how I sprain in 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: my back. But I actually love if I'm going to 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 2: put Christmas decorations. You know, I know people complain about 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: get through Thanksgiving first, but you show me where that's 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: written anywhere in the Torah in the Bible anywhere, there's 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: no rule that says you cannot put a Christmas tree 25 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: up before Thanksgiving. 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: I like it up on Thanksgiving, and Thanksgiving happens to 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: be one of my favorite holidays because the tree is up, 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: it does feel festive. But there's no gift exchange in chaos. 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: It's just being with family or friends and saying something 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: that you're grateful for. I make everybody go around the table. 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: We do that. 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: We say grace and say something you're thankful for. And 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: so many years and kids are like, Mom, I'm thankful 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: for my mom cooking. 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: You know. 36 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, as long as you're thankful and 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: grateful for something, that's what this season is all about 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned. So you know what, if 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: they're greatfully got to sleep in an extra ten minutes, 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: go kids. 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: You go for it. Ten minutes, ten minutes. So okay. 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: So we also we know that people that listen to 43 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: us in Bachelor Nation, you and I do a lot 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 2: of coffee talks, especially when we're traveling, and we love 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: doing that because we just put on bathrobes, whether we're 46 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: in a hotel, at your house, my house, we put 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: on bathrooms. We pour coffee, although one time we did 48 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: get caught with empty cups, so we've never pulled that 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: one again. We put coffee or hot tea in those 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: cups and we just sit and talk about anything, and 51 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: and people think that we staged that we that we 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 2: run the camera and then edit. 53 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: We have you seen my hair in these coffee talks? 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty obvious that I just rolled over 55 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: put the robe on. 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean, in terms of what we 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: talk about, it it's just you say something, it rolls off. 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: So so you know, we we love that, and we 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: we're glad that we entertain you guys, and we hope 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: that they that we give you some good advice. 61 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 62 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And we're going to do one right here, all right. 63 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to have my hair crazy and my robe 64 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: on because we don't get to see each other that much, 65 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: but although we make it a point like we can't 66 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: go that long without visiting. 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: That's what I'm giving things for this year. My family 68 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: and my friends get me through another year. And you know, 69 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: how lucky are we to have such good friendships. 70 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: And we're blessed. We're really blessed, all right, then, so 71 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: do you want to get started? Okay, since this is 72 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: a podcast all about advice, we're going to answer some 73 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: of our most asked questions, starting with dating and relationships. 74 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: All right, Kathy, do you want to read the first 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: one for us? 76 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. How do you know? Oh boy, 77 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: how do you know if marriage is ripe for you? 78 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: Now? 79 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: I could let me just say, I could start out 80 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: with a joke saying, as soon as I find the guy, 81 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: I'll let you know of marriages, right, but I'm going 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: to defer to you God. 83 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: That always helps when you do have the guy that 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: How do you know if marriage is right for you? 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: I'm getting the second time around. We're talking second time 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: around here, right? 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know, are we? I mean, yes, you're 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: all are so we have to be right, ok right, 89 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: right ahead? How do you know if it's right for you? 90 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: It's a feeling. I guess it's something that you have 91 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: to know. That's a tough question because now today that 92 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight, I'm still sixty eight for a few 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: more months. People, I don't know if marriage is that 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: like signing the paper is that important? As I prefer 95 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: to just have somebody in my life. When you get 96 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: married in your golden years, there's a lot of red 97 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: tape that's going to happen, whether it's pre nups or 98 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: you know what, do you think? 99 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: Well, I think that again, I'm not in the position 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: to have to consider it. But one thing I've learned 101 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: in my golden years is to never say never. So 102 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: I would never say that I will never. How many 103 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: nevers can I say? Get married again? But I do 104 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: think at our age, we're not raising children, we're not 105 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: having children, we're not at starting careers, and I think 106 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: those are things that when you're married younger, those are 107 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: all things you consider where you're going to live, although 108 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: you do that in your golden years too, but what 109 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: careers you're going to have, who's going to manage the kids, 110 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: how are you going to handle all those things, finances 111 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: when you're in your golden years. To me, it's more 112 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: of a conscious decision. I personally don't think you know 113 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: if marriage is right for you as a golden I 114 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: think it's a conscious decision. You decide, or I would decide, 115 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: you know what, I want to spend the rest of 116 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: my days with this person. I want him to be 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: integrated fully into my life, and in my mind that 118 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: would include marriage. 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: I'm not about like a commitment ceremony, just committing to 120 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: one another. 121 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: So I think at our age, that's a very reasonable, 122 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: a really reasonable idea. Why not just commit to each other. 123 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: I think I'm a little old fashioned here, Susan, and 124 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna take heat for this too. I 125 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: think it's so easy if you don't have a legal marriage, 126 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: to say, you know what and the horse you rode 127 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: in on. So in other words, yes, I think it's 128 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: very easy to toss in the towel when you just 129 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: have a commitment ceremony. I think marriage makes you think 130 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: a little bit more about whether you. 131 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: Marriage being a legal marriage. 132 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 2: Yes, because because I do believe that once you're married, 133 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: you're going to think a little more about do I 134 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: want to stay in this or get out of this? Now, 135 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: hopefully on the second time around, we both have learned. 136 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you're divorced, I'm a widow, but you I 137 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: would think that we would know what it would take 138 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: for the man to be the man that we would 139 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: commit marriage to. 140 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know now, I don't think I 141 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: would do it. 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying is it's easier to pack 143 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: your things and leave because there's no legal bind right. However, 144 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: divorce is so easy today too, when you're both in 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: the same place. It's like boom boom, you sign papers. 146 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: It is a little bit more. 147 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: Well, again, we have we have some amount of wealth, 148 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: some amount of resources, property, real property, homes, I mean 149 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: at least hopefully one home, all those things that we've 150 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: amassed or hopefully amassed in our in our lifetime. I 151 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: think that those things unless you do a prenup and 152 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: then you get into a lot of legal you know, 153 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: so I. 154 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Don't know, living with some one and committing to somebody 155 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: and living in the same house you decide which one 156 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: that's going to be, or you're buying a new one together, right, 157 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: that's a whole nother entity in this, if you will, right, 158 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: and walking away is meaning you're going to have to 159 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: go find a place to live. 160 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: So either way, it's I just think I think it's 161 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: the way. 162 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: Why are we talking about ending it before we're talking 163 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: about the exit. We didn't even get in yet. 164 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, because because we are of an age, 165 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: Susan that we know if we get into something we 166 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: need to have a strategic exit. Really, that's why we're smarter. 167 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: We know if you were about to go into with somebody, 168 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: you're already going to prethink that. 169 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm saying, before I commit to marriage, I'm 170 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: going to understand that things can go south sometimes. 171 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: And if it did, this is what will happen. 172 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: Right, and younger people when they get married, I don't 173 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: think they think that hard. 174 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: Think that way. They shouldn't. 175 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: Right, really, okay, now, before we get married, what about 176 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: having sex? 177 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: Yes, when is it appropriate to have sex for the 178 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: first time with someone you are seeing? And I might 179 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: be on the opposite ends of the spectrum here, but 180 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you asked the first question I asked 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: this one, you go first. 182 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: You know what that's I was just going to say, 183 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: you jumped in there. I was trying to jump in 184 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: and aunce the questions so you'd have to answer. 185 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: I noticed. 186 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: Okay, when you know what. 187 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: I don't think at our age there is an appropriate 188 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: or inappropriate time we have sex for the first time. 189 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: I think that is a very personal decision about when 190 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: you might have sex for the first time. I you know, 191 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: if anyone's interested, I will not have sex on the 192 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: first date. If it's a weekend date, I'm not having 193 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: sex that first weekend date. I got to feel my 194 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: my rule of thumb always is I'm only having sex 195 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: with a man that I'm either in a relationship with 196 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: or what I'm pretty sure I'm tend to be into. 197 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: There's a strong potential to be in a relationship. 198 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: Absolutely, what about get and I've read all the books 199 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: you're supposed to wait, I think it was the fifth 200 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: date or something you have to date five times? You 201 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: know what, it is a personal thing. Some women just 202 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: like to have sex. For me, personally, I happen to 203 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: agree with you. It's somebody that there's a potential relationship starting, 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: and I have a conversation first. You know what I'm saying, 205 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: like where you're at or where I'm at in this 206 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: before we sleep together, because once you do, it changes 207 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: everything for me. 208 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: Well for women it does, I think, Yeah, although maybe 209 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: so less so at our age. But now I'm going 210 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 2: to go you know me, I'm going to dig a 211 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: little deeper. 212 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: Hair. 213 00:10:51,320 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: Suis do you require before you sleep with the man 214 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: that he is a condom or or that he has 215 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: blood work to make sure he has no sexually transmitted disease. 216 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: So not that I've slept with dozens of people. However, 217 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: I have a conversation. Yes, I know that I'm tested 218 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: every year from my gynecologists, and I know I'm good, 219 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: and I do have a conversation. No, Kathy, to answer 220 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: your question, I don't make them prepare paperwork, a legal 221 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: document stating that they are clean. I don't. Maybe sounds 222 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: taking chances, but that's okay. 223 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: I have. 224 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: Again, it's not like I've slept with the US Army 225 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: or anything. But the men I have slept with, I 226 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: either know them well enough and trust them that when 227 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: they say they haven't slept with anyone or whatever the 228 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: time period has been, then I feel secure. 229 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: However, lie right, they could lie. 230 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: But that's my point. I'm not getting in bed with 231 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: someone who I think is a liar. So I've got 232 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 2: a really good sense about somebody. That's why I don't 233 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: sleep with a guy on the first or second date. 234 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: I have to get to know him, and if I'm 235 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: not sure, oh yeah, I'm asking for blood work. Yep, 236 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: I am, and I have not only would I I have? 237 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: Oh well, I just want to keep you know, doctors 238 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: in labs in business. 239 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't want to take any chances. 240 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's our last chapter. However, I'm not 241 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: going to screw that up and sleep with somebody that 242 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: has an STD or well. But but I'm just going 243 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: to be honest hurt my health. 244 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: You know again, you know, I'm not trying to dig 245 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: too deeply. But you you said it. If you just 246 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: have a conversation with someone and you're not in that 247 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: deeply with them, yet you're not in that deeper relationship 248 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: where you're not there's you know, what's this toop a 249 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: guy from saying or a woman frankly from saying, you know, 250 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: I'm fine, when really maybe I am, maybe I'm not. 251 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: I I don't and you know I to anyone who 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: might say turn around's fair play, you're absolutely right. I 253 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: also get tested every year because that's a smart, reasonable 254 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: thing to do. 255 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: But I do think that some women. 256 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: You know, I read I read a I don't remember 257 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: where I read it, but that in fifty five and 258 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: over like not not communities, but yes. 259 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: Community are the one that we don't say it. 260 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: Don't say it, don't say to that that there are 261 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: communities where STDs the percent is rampant. So you know, 262 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: everyone can say, oh, I'm clean, I'm this, I'm that, 263 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: and maybe they are, maybe they aren't. 264 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: So in my in my world, I'm getting up tested. 265 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: That's score is something we heard or read? Is it true? 266 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: We don't know. 267 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: I've read it several times on my liable news sources. 268 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: Yes, I am imagining that that could happen these people 269 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: in these close retirement communities. 270 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: But you know what happens, Yeah, because they haven't been 271 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: because they have set they have STDs, and they're spreading them. Therefore, 272 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: my PSA for the day is go get tested everyone 273 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: before you. 274 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: Okay, we've had. 275 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: This conversation before. Do you hear this one? 276 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: Guys? 277 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: What changes when you're dating someone with pets? I can 278 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: tell you the date's end. I mean, wait, can I 279 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: I know it's your turn, but can I just you 280 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: know this story. I dated a guy for like ten 281 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: months who was a very nice guy. He had some issues, 282 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: don't we all. But when I broke up with him, 283 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: I said there were other reasons, but I said to him, 284 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: your dog is first in your life. Your dog is 285 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: second in your life. Your computer is third in your life. 286 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: Your daughter's fourth. In your life, and I'm a very 287 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: distant fifth Like that guy would not have a date 288 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: with me, Like let's go to dinner at at six, 289 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: or let's go to an early movie at five and 290 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: have did Oh I can't. I have to feed the 291 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: dog at five, eight sheets every day at five. I'm like, 292 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: oh my god, what the dog does? 293 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: That? Have no deal? Like if you've met somebody and 294 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: they have a pet. 295 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: Would you No, it's not a no deal. It's not 296 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: a deal breaker for me. But I've had two men 297 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: twice that put their animals before me. 298 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: What about you? I want to hear what you think. 299 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, to look at you because you 300 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: have cats and great ones too. You don't have to 301 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: be there every minute because cats can be left a 302 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: little longer than a dog. When you have a dog. 303 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: To me, I mean, I've had dogs forever raison my 304 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: family and always had a dog. Right now, I don't, 305 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: mainly because I don't want that responsibility. I come and 306 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: go as I please. And for me, dating somebody with 307 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: an animal, it can be annoying because they can't go 308 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: on that trip because they don't have anybody to watch 309 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: their dog. Or if you're out and about with a 310 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: girlfriend and we go, let's keep going, let's just spend 311 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: the night. We're having a great time. We'll get a room. 312 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: But I can't. I got to go home to the dog. 313 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: It is a huge responsibility. And I know people love 314 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: their pets. I loved mine. They're a part of your family. 315 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: But it makes things a little more difficult. It's one 316 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: more thing you have to set up and arrange before 317 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: you can do what you want to do. 318 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: So so talk about where there's a will, there's a way. 319 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: I have neighbors that watch my cat. I have a 320 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: pet service that I can call so to set up. Yes, 321 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: well that's what if you if you want a date 322 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: when you have a dog, get it set up. So 323 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: the guy I dated had a dog door so his 324 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: dog could come and go in his friend's Yard's fabulous, 325 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: but he still wouldn't do it because you know, the 326 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: dog needs to eat at five oh one pm, not five, 327 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: not five oh two, five oh one pm. So for me, 328 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: it's not a deal breaker. But I will say to 329 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: you that I make sure my pets, my Jerry after 330 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 2: cats who are very sweet, are taken care of. It 331 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: does not stop me from traveling dating. I pay someone 332 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: to come in. 333 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: There is another thing, ken, I'm going to say out loud. 334 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: And my boyfriend has a dog. Yeah, she's a great dog, 335 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: and it has been a problem when he couldn't come 336 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: because he couldn't get a dog sit her. But my 337 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: biggest dick is the hair. If you have an animal 338 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: that sheds, no matter cat, dog, I don't care what 339 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: it is. If it sheds, you ought to clean it 340 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: every single. 341 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: Okay, So now we're getting down to it, Susan. 342 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: It's not about the responsibility or the poor dog being lonely. 343 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 3: I know we're going to get to it. 344 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: She doesn't want dog hair, and that's the deal breaking 345 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: for if they've got a dog, it better be a 346 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: hairless dog. 347 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: No something doodle that doesn't share. 348 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: There great dogs because and my dogs were also dander 349 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: free and they did not shed. But a lot of 350 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: times if you're over someone's house and you go to 351 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: sit down, I don't want to be rude, but there's 352 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: dog hair or cat hair everywhere, and they have a 353 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: sheet over the furniture. Okay, that's great, remove it before 354 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: you invite me in to sit down. Now you want 355 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: me to sit on that sheet? And my girlfriend Karen. 356 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: I love her, and she had this cute little dog 357 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: in these deceased god bust, but he had short, wiry hair, 358 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: like really short. I would get in her car and 359 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: I'd say, are you getting me? 360 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: Are you sure that was some pubic hair? Where did 361 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: that come from? 362 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: It's crazy, I mean, and you go. 363 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 3: I hear you cat hair. I mean I have two cats, 364 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 3: and one's long haired. 365 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: I never see hair in your house ever. I've never 366 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: held a little box because you know, I would say it, because. 367 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: So I cleaned my litter boxes twice a day. I 368 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: vacuum the camere, I brushed the cats outside, take the 369 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 2: air off. But I still say all of those things 370 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: are doable with a guy who has pets. The problem 371 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: for me is when the pet in short, the problem 372 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: for me is when the pets is more important than 373 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: I am. Yes, and I and that is that's a 374 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: conversation I have really pretty quickly on And that was 375 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 2: one of the reasons, one of the many reasons. 376 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: It's not just pets that comes with anything. Like you 377 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: were saying earlier, I remember me when I met my husband, Dickie, 378 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: my ex husband, baseball came first. 379 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's different. 380 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: That's his career. 381 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: That's a career. Yes, that's different. 382 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to tell me that the 383 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: chihuahua is coming before me, all. 384 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 2: Right, So the answer is we're not getting any more pets, 385 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: and we're gonna we're gonna make guys take a lie 386 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: detector about how important their pets are to them before 387 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: we get in. 388 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: To just go to show me how much they clean 389 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: up after them. 390 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I want to move on to a 391 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: different subject because okay for me, transitioning totally different topic here, 392 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: but transitioning from a parent to a grandparent. You and 393 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: I I have five grandchildren, and those of you who 394 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: listen to my podcast, our podcast, I've always said I 395 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: have two granddaughters. Well I do, but I also have 396 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: three step grandsons, but they're not step I love them too. 397 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: So I now have five grandchildren. But I want to 398 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: how is it for you going from parent to grandparent? 399 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: And like how the differences in raising is kids versus 400 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: grandparent's better? 401 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: It's so much easier. I mean, I worry about them 402 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: like I do my own children, but it's more fun 403 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: if you will because you don't have them on a 404 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: full time basis. When you see them, it's always an 405 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: exciting moment. As a matter of fact, I'm going down 406 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: my granddaughter, Bella Isabella is turning thirteen on Friday, and 407 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: that's the one that I promised the Paris trip to 408 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, we're going in the spring. So I'm 409 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: going down to Virginia to my daughter's house to visit 410 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: with her, and we're going out to dinner on Friday. 411 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: But I thought it would be so exciting to take 412 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: the four year old. My daughter has a four year 413 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: old and my son has a four year old. They 414 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: are like besties, but they don't get to see each 415 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: other often. So I called my daughter in law and said, 416 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: what do you think I might take Stella with me 417 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: for a couple of days for a road trip. We're going. 418 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: She goes, oh my god, I can't even tell her yet. 419 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: She'll drive me crazy until Thursday. So she must have 420 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: shared it with my son. My son texts me last 421 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: night and said, Mom, could you do it now, Facetimer 422 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: because I want to watch her face when you tell 423 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: her what he has. So long story short, I said, Stella, 424 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Mimi's going to go to Virginia to Brittany's da da da, 425 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: Do you want to come? And the big eyes and 426 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: she's shaking her head. Yes, yes, I said, Friday is 427 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: Isabella's birthday and we're going to go out to dinner 428 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: because which she says, well, oh, should I pack a dress? 429 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: I said absolutely. 430 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 2: So that so your grandchildren, well, my grandsons are older, yes, 431 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: and and they're you know, I've only known them almost 432 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: two years, because that's how long Kyle and Candy have 433 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: been married almost two years. And they're great kids. And 434 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: but you know, boys, they're into sports there they all 435 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: take music lessons, they do four age I mean, these boys. 436 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: I don't know how Kyle and Candy do it because 437 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: my kids were busy. I will say my kids played piano, 438 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: they all did sports. But now watching my kids do 439 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: it with their kids is crazy. And then and then 440 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: my two granddaughters, one is seven and one is two 441 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: and a half. And the two and a half year old, 442 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: I guess for me, it's it's so fun to get 443 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: to relive my two and a half year old Reese 444 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: is this is her first Christmas that you knows what's 445 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: going on. And I was showing her we're going to 446 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: do a little Christmas velcrow tree. Tonight I got for 447 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: her to put the ornaments on her eyes. When I 448 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: was facetiming to this morning, she was like ada, a present, 449 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: a stocking, like all the little things to hang up. 450 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: And I think, for me, I'm really enjoying seeing the 451 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: wonderment in my grandkid's eyes. It's such a gift to 452 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: see that all over again, because when they're your children, 453 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: you love seeing those things, but you're so busy cooking 454 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: and making sure the clothes are clean. When it's your grandchildren, 455 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: it's just you really get to see, especially this time 456 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: of year, you get to see the magic of this 457 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: season and just watch their eyes and I love it. 458 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: It's also like second I'm home at. 459 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: The end of the night, Yeah exactly, And I feel 460 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: as if when I have to discipline, I do with grandchildren, 461 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: but that is not my job. I get to spoil 462 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: them a little more than being a parent. 463 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: As you wait, are you wait well, Susan? 464 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: Are you the me me that gives kids your grandkids 465 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: cookies before dinner? 466 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: Are you one of. 467 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: Those maybe stream cheese? Well, hell, that's dinner, I ask, Okay, 468 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: I have one for us, all right? How do you 469 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: manage integrating families when dating later in life and or 470 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: marrying a second time. So he has a family, You 471 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: have a family. 472 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: I got to tell you from again. 473 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: My experience, I think is different than yours because when 474 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 2: I first started dating after my husband Darryl died, uh, 475 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: my daughter was not interested in seeing a meeting or 476 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: anything not in the beginning. But now now they're all 477 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: on board. If I meet someone to bringing them home 478 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 2: and sharing holidays. 479 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 3: Here's the thing until it happens. Well, no, I don't 480 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: think so. I think my kids are already. I hear you. 481 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: I think my kids are. I'm going to ask you 482 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: that in a minute, so get your answer ready. But 483 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: I think that my kids are ready. I think the 484 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: bigger issue is when you have two sets of children 485 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: and probably two sets of grandchildren, mine and his right. 486 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: Well, think about it. 487 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: My kids aren't going to travel to you know, East Overshoe, 488 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: Wisconsin to spend the holiday with his kids. So I 489 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: think realistically, you have to be prepared that holidays might 490 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 2: be tricky. You might not get to spend every holiday 491 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 2: with each other or your children. You might have to 492 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: say this year, you know, let's call them John, I'm 493 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 2: going to spend the holiday with you, John and your kids, 494 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: and next year I'm going to spend it with my kids. 495 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: I think you have to be pliable, you have to 496 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: be flexible. You have to be willing to make some 497 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: decisions that you wouldn't have made when they're your children. 498 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely okay. Like this Thanksgiving, I thought my daughter in 499 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: law son would be here because they're rollways here and 500 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: they go, no, Mom, we do it every other year. 501 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Remember we're going to Jesice, but we'll be at your 502 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: house Christmas all day, but we won't be there Thanksgiving. 503 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: That part, yes, I take. I understand that's your own family. 504 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: Say yes. When you're in love with somebody else and 505 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: he has a family too, And if you were in 506 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: the same state, gush, it would make it a lot easier. 507 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 3: Unless it's Texas could be a ten hour drive. 508 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: To Florida's like that too, When do you say, Okay, guys, 509 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm not going to have Christmas dinner because I want 510 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: to spend it with his family this year. I don't 511 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: know that I can do that. 512 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: I could, I'll tell you why I could, Because if 513 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: I find the guy that I love, then it will 514 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: be equally important to me. To share those experiences with 515 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 2: him and his family. Of course, the ideal thing would 516 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: be for both families to get together, but that's not 517 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: always logical, or especially. 518 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: In my case, one lives on a land. 519 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 3: You know, it's just not always possible. 520 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: But I would want to make my partner happy and 521 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: I would want I would want us to share some 522 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: holidays together. So yeah, I would be willing to give up. 523 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: And of course for me, because my son is divorced, 524 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: the one that's remarried now. 525 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: My older granddaughter, I don't. 526 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: Get to see her every holiday, so you know, I'm 527 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: sort of used to it in that way. Again, I 528 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 2: think marriage relationships, dating holidays at our age just brings 529 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: another layer of difficulty. It's manageable, doable, but it's those 530 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: conversations said, if you don't have them up front, it 531 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: can get pretty sticky once you're knee deep in the 532 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: relations exactly. 533 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: I've known people that actually celebrate the day on a 534 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: different day so that she could have her whole family 535 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: there there. Christmas was like the weekend before, or or 536 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: a couple of days after, whatever the case may be, 537 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: and that was just as important to her because she 538 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: had everybody there and it helped her children not to 539 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: split it. I remember, like people pack up their kids. 540 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: They come here for three hours, and they got to 541 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 1: pack them all up again and go over there for 542 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: three hours. And it's difficult. 543 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: And that's why said, if you can be flexible, you know, 544 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: you can do Thanksgiving. 545 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: Uh. You know, Canadian Thanksgiving is a different day than. 546 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: A different ones. 547 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 2: This sounds pick another day, folks. You know, be flexible here. 548 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: What about the big one for me? What about becoming 549 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: an empty nest? 550 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean I got to put an input in here, Kathy. 551 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: I remember the story you told me how to sell 552 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: the freaking house. I can't live here anymore. I'll tell you. 553 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: When we bought that house in Austin, it was this 554 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: huge family house. It had I think it was six bedrooms, 555 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: five and a half baths, a big pull out in 556 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: the backyard to get a summer kitchen. I mean, it 557 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: was the house that I was going to have every 558 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: Christmas in with my husband, the kids, the queen. 559 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 3: That was the plan. 560 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: And then when the last one went off to college 561 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: and the others were not coming home they had internships 562 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: in the summer, they you know, they weren't coming home. 563 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: I would go up there because upstairs were three bedrooms, 564 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: three bathrooms, a playroom. It was like the kids whole 565 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: thing up here. They're sweet exactly, and I would walk 566 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 2: into the rooms and I would just start to cry. 567 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: You know. 568 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: There was all their memorabilia from high school and there. 569 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, no, no, no. 570 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: So I saw. I said, you guys, sell the house. 571 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: He's like, what, that's what you said? 572 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: You wanted this house? You were, I said, yep. Four 573 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 2: years later, out the door I was. And you know what, Susan, 574 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 2: I never looked back because to. 575 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: Me, that's something you needed to do. 576 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: But but an empty nester, for me, the hardest part, 577 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, was the first year my last 578 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: child went to college. Then I kind of got used 579 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: to it. 580 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 581 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: I can't tell you why, other than they didn't come 582 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: home that much. They came home for holidays and such, 583 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: but it was they didn't come home for summers anymore. 584 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: And but I really struggled. 585 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 3: Did you struggle. 586 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that struggle with empty nesters, 587 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: and I feel as if they're the kind of people 588 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: that don't think about their own lives, because that's when. 589 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: You're like, did I just hold on? Did you are 590 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: you just saying that I didn't think about my own life. 591 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: No, you just thought about getting another house like I 592 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: to remove myself from this place. But to me it 593 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: was hard. I remember crying when they went off to 594 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: college and they were moving the Florida to Brittany. But 595 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: I still have the boys. And then the boys only 596 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: one went. The other one hung around, so it was 597 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: never really empty. But when it finally was, I was like, oh, 598 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm cleaning that room, Kathy k I was disgusting me. 599 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: Just for all of you who don't know Susan Knowles 600 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: well enough, let me just let me give you the 601 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: down and dirty hair. Most things to Susan can be 602 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: boiled down to is it clean. If it's clean, Susan 603 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: can live with it. If it's not clean, she's out. 604 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not a germaphobic, but maybe I am. I'm 605 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: not a freak. I just like things in my house. 606 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: And everyone else's house. 607 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: I'll clean yours. I don't care. But so I missed them, 608 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: but I got used to it, and it was like 609 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: I look forward to when I'm going to see them. 610 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: But I liked not having them underfoot I like not 611 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: tripping over somebody sneakers walking in the door, or their 612 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: baseball glove or Britney's dance shoes or the ill. 613 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: I will say what you just alluded to a minute ago, 614 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: the fact that when we become empty nesters, it is 615 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: a golden, no pun intended opportunity for us to rediscover ourselves, 616 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: to rediscover our relationships with our husband or our partners, 617 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: our wives, whatever. It is an opportunity to take up new. 618 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: New hobby, fun things. You're going to have fine now 619 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: because you're not worried about even adult kids. You have 620 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: to keep up after. 621 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so it's You're right, it is. It 622 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: is another stepping stone. It's another chapter of our lives. 623 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: And I think once you accepted and embraced that chapter, 624 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel so sad anymore. It is, but the initial, 625 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: the initial abrupt when that last one leave house, whether 626 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: it's for a job, college, whatever it is, it's like, wow, 627 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: it's really quiet, and here it is. 628 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: It's true. And I was going to say something, but 629 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: I didn't want it interr up. Also, you just don't 630 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: know just when you get out of the depressed part 631 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: and you're cleaning up and everything's yours now and you're 632 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: doing it your way. They come back, and they come 633 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: back with kids. Sometimes you know, maybe their lives are 634 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: disrupted in some white mom I need to come home 635 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: for a while. I was like, oh, okay. 636 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 3: I remember. 637 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 2: I remember my son came home to stay with me 638 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: for a few months before he bought his own home 639 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: with my granddaughter, and I was up getting her breakfast, 640 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, at five point thirty six o'clock in the morning. 641 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: But knew the timeline that's more doable. If it's indefinitely, 642 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: that keeps you. 643 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: I got to say, I never, That's another whole question. 644 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: I never invited my children to come back and stay indefinitely. 645 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: When my son got his divorced, it was like sure. 646 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: I think I said, sure, until you can figure things out. 647 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: And he knows in my world that means figure things out, 648 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: which he did very quickly, bought a home, moved in 649 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 2: with his daughter. 650 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 3: I mean, it all went really well. 651 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: But I do think that's a whole other topic about 652 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: kids coming home to live with you. 653 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: We could do it a whole podcast on that one. 654 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 3: Did your kids stay and live with you for a while? 655 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: Well, wait, the boys were here, I have a funny story. 656 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: I was downstairs doing a friend's hair and I was 657 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: coming up the steps and it was about six thirty 658 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: and I forget which twin it was Nick or Chris. 659 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: It had to be Chris. And he goes, yo, Mom, 660 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: aren't you hungry? I said, yeah, I could eat. Mom 661 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: at six thirty, I said, yeah, aren't you gonna cook? 662 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: I go, Okay, family meeting time. It's just all you 663 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: people that came back. Sit down. Here's the good news. 664 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: The good news is that freezer is always full. Okay, 665 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: mommy keeps food. 666 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 3: I have a question. 667 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: Here's yes. What's a freezer, the freezer, refrigerator and your 668 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: freeze of cats? I said, here's what I would suggest. 669 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: When you get up in the morning to go to work, 670 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: think about what it is that you might want to 671 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: eat for dinner, take it out of the freezer so 672 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: it's to frosted, and when you come home prepared. They 673 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: looked at me, Kathy, I kid you not like I 674 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: have lost my mind. They go, why will we do that? 675 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: I got any serious right now, because I will always 676 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: be your mother, but I'm not your mommy anymore. Then 677 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: for yourselves, you guys are twenty some years old. Shape 678 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: it up. I mean I would cook occasionally, but well 679 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: I cooked seven. 680 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 3: Nights a week. 681 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 2: You know, that's another thing with grandkids. When it's children, 682 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 2: that's a perfect example of what we were talking about earlier. 683 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: When children your children, I've got to get and I'm 684 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 2: not a great cook. Taco Tuesday, here we come getting 685 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 2: food on the table because you know, one had baseball practice, 686 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 2: the other one had lacrosse practice, the other one had 687 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: soccer practice. Boom bang bang bang one right now or yeah, 688 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 2: oh thank god for hot dogs at the park. But 689 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: the but the other thing is now with grandchildren. Just 690 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: to go back there for a minute. My granddaughters come over. 691 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: I have little aprons for them. We bake homebake brownies. 692 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: And even though I'm not a great cook, I'm trying. 693 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: I can bake. 694 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 2: But I'm also encouraging them to try and get in 695 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 2: the kitchen because when my kids were little, we didn't 696 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 2: have time to teach them how to crack an egg, 697 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: or I didn't have time even to crack an egg. 698 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 2: It was very rare, and in fact, my kids to 699 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 2: this day, my two of my three children are excellent cooks. 700 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 2: The oldest one kind of rivals me. Uh, but the 701 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: the other two are great cooks and they they're self taught. 702 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: I got had an interest. So when they're interested in 703 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: something like my daughter, I would you would think that 704 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: she's going to be a fabulous cook. She wanted nothing to. 705 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 3: Do with because you did it all the time. 706 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: But I have them help my Nick. He'll come over 707 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: and say, Mom, let's make this together. But I want 708 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: to do it so I know what I'm doing. Yeah, 709 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: like he enjoys certain meals that he loves. Okay, let's go. 710 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 3: I mean I watch. 711 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: I remember when my husband was alive, we went to 712 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: New York City. My daughter was living in Brooklyn and 713 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 2: she lived in an apartment with her roommate. The kitchen 714 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: was the size of my powder room. 715 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: Oh it's awful in there. 716 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 3: No wait, I have to tell you. 717 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 2: I she cooked and a roommate cooked this entire meal. 718 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 2: My husband helped with the turkey in this tiny little 719 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 2: shoe box of a kitchen, and they set up a 720 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 2: card table to mix things. 721 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 3: It was. It was unbelos impressive. But you know what 722 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 3: it did to me. It depressed me because I have 723 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 3: this huge kitchen. 724 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: That it's spotless. Girls, it's spotless and you know what, Kathy, 725 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: I dare say this. We have another segment, but I 726 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: think we should save it for a whole episode. It's 727 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: about aging and I have a lot. 728 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 3: To sag aging. What's that? 729 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: What do you think? 730 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 2: I think we should do it another time because the talk, 731 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 2: the talk of marriage of children of grandchildren. 732 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 3: I need a nap, Paul in one day. 733 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: An aging thing is a whole another story and I've 734 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: got a lot to say. So with that being said, 735 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: we just want to thank you all so much for 736 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: joining us today. I hope you enjoyed this chat. 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