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Speaker 1: Oh, great time. Oh watch Steve Plasterer, goods down Down,

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Speaker 1: Down Time. Welcome to One Bills Live here in Orchard

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Speaker 1: Park in Easter Roor. I say Orchard Park, but we're

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Speaker 1: coming out of One Bills Drive theoretically. I'm at home

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Speaker 1: in Easter Roor and we are joined today by co

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Speaker 1: host Chris brown Brownie In. We said goodbye to John

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Speaker 1: Murphy on Thursday. Um, kind of an emotional thing for

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Speaker 1: fixture in Buffalo. We said goodbye to him. He stepped

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Speaker 1: away from the show. Gonna miss him, Chris brown In,

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Speaker 1: at least for this weekend beyond Um, Brownie, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on. Appreciate It's gonna be fun to have you on.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good to be here. Man. Uh fired up

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Speaker 1: for just kind of getting this thing rolling and kind

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Speaker 1: and closer and it can't come soon enough, Kenneth to

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Speaker 1: I mean, my god, I think we're all starved for

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Speaker 1: any kind of live sports, but football especially. Absolutely, we're

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Speaker 1: moving slow through the summer and actually since you know,

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Speaker 1: now we're just kind of looking forward to you know,

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Speaker 1: We haven't seen or heard from any of those guys,

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Speaker 1: and we're kind of watching everything around is to get going.

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Speaker 1: But by the same tone, it's great to have you

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about, a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff over the weekend. How is your How is your

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend? By the way, they can't beat the weather, right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I got my gosh. First things first, Okay, do you

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Speaker 1: realize ten days ago it was snowing. It was snowing.

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Speaker 1: It's no three times two was forty degrees like wet snow,

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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, my god, it's gonna be eighty seven

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Speaker 1: today ten days later. I mean, we always joke about

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Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. I don't know why. I mean, it disappeared.

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Speaker 1: I don't know when. Did you think spring just completely disappeared?

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Speaker 1: but there's no spring totally with you. I was, I

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Speaker 1: know where this Friday or Saturday. I didn't play both days.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember which day. I think was Saturday. No,

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Speaker 1: gonna man, I can't live like this. It is just

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Speaker 1: too hot. Well here's proof, here's proof for me. Proof

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Speaker 1: for me was I'm getting ready to do yardwork, which

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Speaker 1: I did a lot of over the last four or

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Speaker 1: five days, and I go into our mudroom and I

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Speaker 1: still have a jacket on my hook, you know, my

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Speaker 1: He's already resigned to it's not happening. There is all

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. But man, oh man, I'm I'm getting

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Speaker 1: Eight h three oh five fifty and one five fifty

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Speaker 1: on this conversation if you like. We've also got a

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll that we've got out that you can also

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are listening on the radio

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Speaker 1: or out and about um, you can tweet at us

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Speaker 1: about this Twitter question and this This is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a reflection, Brownie of what happened in the

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Speaker 1: thirty thirty over the weekend with Lance Armstrong. And for

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Speaker 1: those of you who remember, Lance Armstrong was a was

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Speaker 1: a Tour de France champions, I believe six time Tour

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Speaker 1: de France champion. He was a world champion at a

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Speaker 1: very young age. Came back, he got he got testicular cancer,

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Speaker 1: came back beat that became this really larger than life

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Speaker 1: figure celebrity, and then it was subsequently everybody in the

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Speaker 1: entire world found out that he had been cheating to

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Speaker 1: win all the Tour de Frances. He had been doping

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Speaker 1: blood doping and was discredited largely and now he's been

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Speaker 1: living in oblivion for the last what ten years or

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Speaker 1: so or whatever it happened. And so that's where this

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Speaker 1: Twitter poll came from. And the question is who's the

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Speaker 1: worst cheater in all of sports? It's not an open question.

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Speaker 1: We gave you three or four choices, but the first

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Speaker 1: choice is A and you know, I mean one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: This was going to be on the choices. A would

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Speaker 1: be Patriots and Spygate would be the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: The peed area for era from the late seventies eighties

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Speaker 1: to through the two thousands, see the Mark McGuire Sammy Sosa,

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Speaker 1: Barry Bond, steroid era in Major League Baseball, or d

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Speaker 1: this Armstrong guy that we've talked about, he was a

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Speaker 1: he and I know there's some I know my son.

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Speaker 1: I asked my twenty two year old you know who

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Speaker 1: he was? And he did. He had a pretty good

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Speaker 1: handle on whose Lance Armstrong was. So anybody twenty two

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Speaker 1: years old or old or should be able to have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good handle on this Lance Armstrong question as well? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what I watched the thing start to finish. What was

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Speaker 1: there any what was maybe the most shocking either revelation

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Speaker 1: that came out of it that maybe you weren't aware of,

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Speaker 1: or most shocking thing that he may have said through

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Speaker 1: the course. And this was only part one. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: run part two next Sunday of this two part series.

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Speaker 1: It's four hours total. What grabbed you though the most?

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Speaker 1: When when you were watching that it was there a

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Speaker 1: shocking part of it that you said that maybe you

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Speaker 1: didn't know. I mean, everybody knows the history of rights.

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Speaker 1: Something that grabbed you, you know, the thing that grabbed

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Speaker 1: me the most, Brownie, And I know I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: crushed for this. I have a hard time dredging up

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Speaker 1: any animosity towards him. Really, I have a really hard

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Speaker 1: time saying, ohow, the guy's a despicable piece of junk.

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Speaker 1: I just can't. I just can't, uh, I see it.

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Speaker 1: He was a young twenty one twenty two year old

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Speaker 1: kid who won, who's a world champion, who was in

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Speaker 1: a sport that I believed, even at the time before

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Speaker 1: any of this all came out, I believe you had

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Speaker 1: to dope to do that sport. I believe it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a given, I believe, and I still believe,

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Speaker 1: you can't ride in the Tour de France and not

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Speaker 1: beyond something. It's the hundred. It's averaging one hundred miles

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Speaker 1: a day at thirty five forty miles hour. Sometimes downhill

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Speaker 1: they're going sixty miles an hour and a bike and

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Speaker 1: they do it every single day for three weeks and

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Speaker 1: for the World Championship through these hills, and it's just

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Speaker 1: and it's a sport rife with that because of the

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Speaker 1: physical demands of the sport, and I think it's it

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Speaker 1: was a wink not nudge atmosphere, and it was a

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Speaker 1: totally obvious sport wide condition that they were that the

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Speaker 1: sport hierarchy and the athletes were willing to live with.

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Speaker 1: So I have a hard time dredging up a guy

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Speaker 1: and I guess in short, they say, listen, is it

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Speaker 1: cheating if that's the way everybody in the sport does it,

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Speaker 1: And I have a hard time dredging a passion about saying, yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's cheating. I'm sorry, I just can't get outraged by it.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? You know what rings in my

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Speaker 1: head when you say everybody's doing it? My mother is

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Speaker 1: saying to me, well, if your friend jumped off a bridge,

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Speaker 1: would you do it too? It depends that that's what

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Speaker 1: the rings. It depends on what's at the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the bridge, and depends on what's chasing me. Right, But

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Speaker 1: I guess got a reason to bring jump off the bridge.

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Speaker 1: I get the culture. And you can get into a

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Speaker 1: whole argument too about cycling and it's governing body, like

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Speaker 1: how up until I think it was the ninety eight

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Speaker 1: Tour de France when that one Festina team got completely

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Speaker 1: bounced from it because they found out they were doping.

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Speaker 1: Prior to that, there were no checks and balances, like

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Speaker 1: even the guys that were interviewed in the program. We're saying, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: it was the Wild West before that, before that team

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Speaker 1: in ninety eight got So, why is Lance Armstrong a

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Speaker 1: bad guy? Well, I think what this is outside that,

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Speaker 1: this is outside the cancer thing from back. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a different I think we'll get to that too. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's the extra layer that makes him such

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Speaker 1: a vilified human being, because yes, he cheated with all

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Speaker 1: these other people that did it also, right, but I

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Speaker 1: would say the vast majority of these people, once they

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Speaker 1: get caught, they kind of put their hands up and

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Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you got me. This guy fought it

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Speaker 1: for almost a decade, like whether it was in litigation, arbitration,

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Speaker 1: trying a strong arm and intimidate witnesses that we're going

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Speaker 1: to testify against him, like just tooth and nail, because

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Speaker 1: I think he knew it was this entire reputation and

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Speaker 1: everything he had become was gonna come tumbling down. He

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Speaker 1: went all out on the cover up, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And then you roll in the legion of people navigating

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Speaker 1: for inspiration or cancer survivors saying hey, I'm just like Lance,

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Speaker 1: and then finding out well, hell, I didn't cheat. I

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Speaker 1: didn't cheat in my life. Who the hell is this guy?

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Speaker 1: You know? And I think I think that's where the

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Speaker 1: deep seated hatred and animosity comes from. That's why it

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Speaker 1: was so fascinated by the by the creative way that

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Speaker 1: they started the program. I mean, they start with him

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Speaker 1: on camera and he's he said, after I kind of

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Speaker 1: came clean on everything when he basically had to in

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve or twenty thirteen, whenever it was, he says,

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for that time in public where I'm getting

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Speaker 1: f bombed basically by someone in public who recognizes me

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Speaker 1: and wants to spew hatred at me. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he kind of reveals the first time that that happened.

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Speaker 1: That's the first two minutes of the show, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, it up. And he must feel

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Speaker 1: like he must I he he must feel like he

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Speaker 1: can't even poke his head out his front door without

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Speaker 1: somebody doing that. And I don't know. I'm a long

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Speaker 1: way from that myself, but I get it. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with Lance Armstrong. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do it. You can get in on the Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: who's the worst cheater in all of sports. We got

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Speaker 1: the Patriot Spygate, NFL Peedd Area in the eighties to

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Speaker 1: the two thousands, Mark McGuire, Sammy Soilsberry Bonds and the

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball or this guy Lance Armstrong. We had

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Speaker 1: the thirty for thirty over this weekend, we can also

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Speaker 1: talk more about, say, yeah, this guy Lance Armstrong. You know,

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Speaker 1: this guy was a mythical figure. And that was another

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Speaker 1: thing too, Steve, he said, he said, I didn't even

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Speaker 1: realize that. Yeah. He and also too he and he

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Speaker 1: was right. He Goes. I was He Goes, I was

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Speaker 1: Lebron he Goes, I was Michael Jordan, I was Lance Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: I was one of those guys who had this mythic

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Speaker 1: do you have must the time? He was Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: he was Peyton Manning. He was as big an American

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Speaker 1: sports figure as there was the world figure. And here's

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Speaker 1: the thing, too, Brownie, in America, nobody cares about cycling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Tour to front Side, it's pretty you know, they

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Speaker 1: do they care about that. And he won it six times.

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Speaker 1: That was great, But it was the cancer thing I

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Speaker 1: think that catapulted him to this mythic status and overcoming

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Speaker 1: it and that's what you know, the livestrong thing and

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Speaker 1: all of that, so we can get it. We can

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Speaker 1: get into that more. Steve Tasker along with Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live. We're gonna come back right at you

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour. This is One Bills

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Speaker 1: Live presented by Kalida Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back to one of Bill's Lives.

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and Chris Brown talking about all things going

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Speaker 1: on in the sports world, particularly over the weekend with

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Speaker 1: the match Tiger, Tom Peyton and Phil fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: We're also talking about the biggest cheaters in sports history

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Speaker 1: and his Lance Armstrong among those guys along with the

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Speaker 1: Patriot Spygade, Major NFL football back in the eighties, in

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Speaker 1: the two thousands, and also Major League Baseball is hand

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Speaker 1: me Socia, Mark Reguire. You can take a look at

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Speaker 1: that Twitter poll, give us a tweet, see what you think.

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Speaker 1: You can vote at One Bills Live and you can

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Speaker 1: give us a call at eight or three oh five

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Speaker 1: fifty or one eight eight fifty two five fifty Steve

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Speaker 1: task or Chris Brown, Brownie, what do you think we've

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Speaker 1: got this thing where the owner of the And I

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Speaker 1: don't want to jump out of order here, but Stephen Ross,

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Speaker 1: who is the owner of the Miami Dolphins, said he

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Speaker 1: think he is there's gonna be a season. There's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an NFL season. What it looks like may be different,

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Speaker 1: maybe no fans. Okay, fine, But is that was that

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Speaker 1: a relief to you? I work in the industry, so

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like, wow, Okay, I'm glad. It was

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Speaker 1: certainly nice to hear. I'm not gonna deny that for

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Speaker 1: a second. I think what I took from it was somehow,

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Speaker 1: some way they're gonna get it done. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: don't have thirty two owners who have been as successful

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Speaker 1: as they have in the business world just throw their

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Speaker 1: hands up and say, well, I guess we're not going

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Speaker 1: to have a season. But I do also think that's

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Speaker 1: probably the only thing that they feel confident enough to

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Speaker 1: state in some way, shape or form. They're not telling

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Speaker 1: you how it's gonna look, but there's going to be

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Speaker 1: a season in some way, shape or form. And I

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Speaker 1: think the reason why they don't want to tell you

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Speaker 1: how it's gonna look is number one, they don't know

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Speaker 1: where we're going to be come September. That's number one,

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Speaker 1: But number two, I think these owners want to go

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Speaker 1: to school on what some of these other leagues do,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the NBA major League Baseball, who could have

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Speaker 1: players all back for all thirty teams in a controlled

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Speaker 1: environment by next week? I mean you have I mean

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Speaker 1: So I think the NFL is going to go to

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Speaker 1: and what Major League Baseball does and then hope they

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Speaker 1: can fill in specifics from there. How credible do you

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Speaker 1: think Stephen Ross is? I mean, he well, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, you gotta believe he's in

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Speaker 1: the room. I mean he's talking at the owners, mean

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Speaker 1: he's or at least he's listening. Do you think he

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Speaker 1: got a phone call? You know it? And but you

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Speaker 1: used to the word definitely, I could understand might have

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Speaker 1: raised a few eyebrows. But and it could be that

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Speaker 1: or whatever or whatever like, but I mean definitely. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty generalized statement, right, so I guess he

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Speaker 1: would probably be right. I don't know what caveat you

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Speaker 1: can throw in there or what caveat he actually did,

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Speaker 1: But well, definitely, it's pretty close to a guarantee that

637
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: there's gonna be football now. Now we've got this thing coming.

638
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: Also from Charles Robinson, NFL Communist, he said that coaches,

639
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: at least in some states, they're going to open up

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00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: their facilities for their coaches, and like next week for

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00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: some guys. The question has always been and we've had

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00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: guests on um Brant was on, I can't remember Kyle

643
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: not Kyle Brant. The other um from a Villanova came

644
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: on and said he thinks it's really hard Andrew Brant.

645
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: That's right. So Andrew was on, and he said, and rightfully.

646
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: So the league has always been about fair play, level field.

647
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: That to me, says, I don't he doesn't. I don't

648
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: think that they're going to open up one let one

649
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: team open up its facility and not the other team.

650
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be um, there's gonna have to

651
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: be a league wide opening up, not just like three

652
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: teams on the West coast, two teams in the Northeast,

653
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of teams on the Southwest. You

654
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing, they're gonna have to open

655
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: them all up at the same time. Do you agree

656
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: with that? Well, if you team equity and preparation equity

657
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: for a season, yeah, that's kind of how you have

658
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: to do it. So I don't see how you. But

659
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Speaker 1: the fly in the ointment here, Steve, is the fact

660
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Speaker 1: that you've got fifty states operating under fifty different modes

661
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: of when we're going to open. Now. I know that

662
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: a lot of these states have quickly tried to get

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Speaker 1: out in front of it and say we support our

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Speaker 1: pro sports teams getting back. Cuomo did it late last week.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, did it, which raised

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Speaker 1: a lot of eyebrows because just a week ago he

667
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Speaker 1: was talking about, I don't know how we have football

668
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: games in this state in September, So that was kind

669
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Speaker 1: of a reversal by him. So it sounds like the

670
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: NFL has to the vast majority of support from the

671
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: respective state governments, but you still have I mean New

672
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: York State, I mean here in Erie County, we have

673
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Speaker 1: to still get to phase two. So we're in phase

674
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: one of reopening, and phase two only lets people back

675
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: in the building into my knowledge, that's just staff, not coaches,

676
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: and certainly not players unless they're being there on strict

677
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: rehabilitation assignments, you know, medical stuff. So yeah, it's it's

678
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: it sounds great. I'm very curious as to how they're

679
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: going to navigate it though and keep it equal. As

680
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: you say, yeah, exactly. I think it's gonna be fun

681
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: to watch that stuff and see how it comes about.

682
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of a lot of other stuff

683
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: going on as well. We've been talking about, uh, not

684
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: only not only the uh, the season and how it

685
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: may or may not happen or how it may or

686
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: may not look, not only how it or may or

687
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: may or not get started, you know, And that's what

688
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: you and I as NFL coverage guys of media people,

689
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: we kind of watch for the start of everything, right,

690
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: how it's going to happen, and we've got stuff to

691
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: talk about, what rookies are looking good, what you know,

692
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: how long they're in and who's in, who's out, what

693
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: veterans did not show up for the OTAs, all of

694
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: that stuff, and then also that it's all going on

695
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, but on a wider scale,

696
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: you're watching these other leagues about how they're handling these

697
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: problems and what direction they're taking. And we've also got

698
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: an entire nation that's sports starved enough to watch four guys,

699
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: two of which can play golf and two of which

700
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: only dabble in it, play in this match and raise

701
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: twenty million bucks to do it. You know, which is

702
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: you gotta tip your hat to Tiger and Phil and

703
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Peyton and Tom for doing this match in the pouring

704
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: rain and having it raised twenty million bucks. Do you

705
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: think two things? Brownie to me raising twenty million bucks? Things, Okay,

706
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: this is going to happen again. Well, when you can

707
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: raise that kind of money, yeah, I think it's it's

708
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: a no brainer. And then and the networks, even the

709
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: cable networks, have proof that the viewing audience will support

710
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: it as well in terms of ratings, which means you're

711
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: getting your ad revenue that you're after to put the

712
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: thing on in the first place. So there's a there's

713
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: a it's a win win all the way around. So

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00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: I cannot see them, you know, moving away from this,

715
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I think there will be more of these in the future,

716
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Speaker 1: depending on how long as a society we're dealing with Cox.

717
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: But I guess there could be other causes that you

718
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: do this for too. Next question, how's it gonna go?

719
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: And who's in? So now it's gonna be Okay, who

720
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: do I want to see in a foursome playing two

721
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: man best ball against each other? Right? It is it

722
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley against you know, right, guys I don't want

723
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: to see, right, I'd like Charles is great. And that's

724
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: the balance. That's probably the hardest thing. Yeah, the guys

725
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: you'd really like to play with, like Chuck, you know,

726
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: guy's gregarious, talks a lot, but he can't play a lick.

727
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: He's horrible. Now, you got to balance it between a

728
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: guy who's fun to be with and watch and a

729
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: guy that you can't watch on TV play golf. Right,

730
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: there's gotta be some ENTERTANMCE. It's gotta be entertainment value

731
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Speaker 1: in terms of golf ability. Then there's got to be

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Speaker 1: entertainment value in terms of personality, right, and which is

733
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Speaker 1: probably why they put Peyton Manning with Tiger Woods, because

734
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: they knew they were gonna get zero personality out of Tiger.

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00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: So they're like, all right, you play good golf and

736
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: we'll let Peyton handle the jokes. And that's kind of

737
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: the way those two went, and then the other two

738
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: were just kind of I don't know, Phil talked incessantly,

739
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: as you said, and then Tom was playing awful so

740
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: for the most part. But I think that's the challenge.

741
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: You better have good central casting if you're going to

742
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: do this again. That's kind of that's the big thing, right.

743
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: You gotta have good golfers who have national personalities kind

744
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: of bigger than life personalities. And then you gotta have

745
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: other guys who can play but are also pretty gregarious

746
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: and fun loving and at least Romo would be good,

747
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: I think, but you know, you can play. Well, here's

748
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: the thing, though, you gotta have somebody the guys comfortable with,

749
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Speaker 1: because Romo might not bust chops with, you know, if

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Speaker 1: he plays with you know, like Troy Aakman, right, or

751
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: Steve Young or whatever you name, or Chris Rock, you know,

752
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: or Chris Rock or somebody, they may not be buddies, right,

753
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: so they may not feel comfortable busting each other the chops.

754
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: And that's the fun of it, right, You got to

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00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: see their friendship. Yeah, Romo, people would watch that, uh

756
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: about Steve Young and Steve Young and uh, and Joe

757
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: Montana with I don't know whoever the golfer's got to

758
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: be good too, they don't. I don't know if Montana's

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00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: back would even let him swing a club at this point.

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00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: So right, but yeah, the point's probably moved anyway. All right,

761
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: Steve Task along with Chris Brown, we got lots more

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00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: to talk about. We're here till three at two o'clock. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We've got uh, Mike Giardi coming up from NFL Network.

764
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: He'll be talking with us. We've got a Twitter poll

765
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: out you can get us talk to us with that.

766
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: It is who are the greatest? Who's the worst cheater?

767
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: In all of sports? I guess all of sports history

768
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: would be good. Some of the old timers you could

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00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: probably call in and give us another one that's not

770
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: on our list, but the four people on our list,

771
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: or the four entities on our list of the Patriots

772
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: with their spygate, or the nflpeed era with the eighties

773
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: and the two thousands, the Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry

774
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Bonds era of Major League Baseball, or Lance Armstrong and

775
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: his huge scandal with cycling, and of course with his

776
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: cancer relief and his Live Strong movement that he started

777
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: then having that coming crashing down, you can give us

778
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Speaker 1: a call jump in on the conversation one eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty or around Buffalo area eight

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Speaker 1: o three oh five fifty. This is Steve, Steve Tasker

781
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: and Chris Brown on One Bills Live. We'll be back.

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Speaker 1: It's presented by Kalidah Health and this is Buffalo Bills Radio.

783
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker along with

784
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, got a lot to talk about today. The

785
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills still locked out of their facility, as are

786
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: all NFL teams. They can start having staff and all

787
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: that back, but you know, let's face it, Brownie, nobody

788
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: cares whether you know anybody else is in the building.

789
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: They just want to know if the football players, the

790
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: coaches and everybody's in there, right, I mean, well, yeah,

791
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: and that's not yet. Yeah, that's that's not happening. But

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00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: we did say, you know, the NFL probably and while

793
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, has said,

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00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: you know there's going to be a season, we don't

795
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: know when it will start in the off season. When

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00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: this when the you know, preseason will start up the

797
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: practices of the OTAs, but that's gonna happen. We're also

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00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: talking about the thirty for thirty over the weekend of

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong. Really, I don't know if there's anything new

800
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: in it. There. There's usually nothing new in any of

801
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: these except the fact that we don't we didn't know

802
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: about it because they take place years after the fact,

803
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: and this Lance Armstrong thing is no different. But it's

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00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: really interesting. Well, I think we did get a clearer

805
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: picture on how he views the whole situation, and he

806
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: said that right from the jump in part one on

807
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Sunday in the thirty for thirty, where he basically said, look,

808
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: we can debate all we want on what the absolute

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00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: truth is. What I'm going to give you is my

810
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: view of how everything went down and how I saw

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00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: it and interpreted everything. I was like, well, that's all

812
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: well and good Lance, but facts are facts. Like, what

813
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: are you still trying to spin this like I was?

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00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: When he said that, I was like, oh my god,

815
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: please please don't do that. Just be succinct, at least

816
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: try to be that in what could very well be

817
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: the epitaph to your public image as everybody knows it,

818
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: which is arguably this two part series one of the

819
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: other things that kind of got under the under the

820
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: radar this weekend. I know for a lot of people,

821
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: they won't know this person. He was a coach for

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills between nineteen eighty seven, I'm sorry, nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two and nineteen ninety seven. He was a coach

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00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: on the Bills when I was there. He passed away

825
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: over the weekend. He was a defensive line coach and

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Speaker 1: his name was Dan Sti Cannabich. He passed away this

827
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: last weekend, and the reason I found out about it

828
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: was because Bruce Smith texted us said, hey, guys, sick died.

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Speaker 1: Sakanovich died, and he's one of the guys who went

830
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: to a couple of Super Bowls with the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: He was in the National Football League for twenty years.

832
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: He was with the New York Jets for five or

833
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: six years. Then he was with the Atlanta Falcons for

834
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Speaker 1: a couple three years, with Miami Dolphins for a year,

835
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Speaker 1: and then came to Buffalo and was here for five

836
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: years and was here for two Super Bowls and a

837
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Speaker 1: lot of playoff runs. Dan Sakanovitch passed away over this

838
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: past weekend. A lot of people are gonna miss him.

839
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: He coached and touched a lot of lives, and I

840
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: just want to not let it go too far down

841
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: the road before I said something about it. A lot

842
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: of guys really miss him, and a lot of and

843
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: owe a lot to a guy. Coaches are special guys, Brownie.

844
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: For players, it's a personal relationship, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that by the very nature of the relationship,

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00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: you learn from them. You know, not only learned football

847
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: plays and where to run on a certain call, but

848
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you also learn what kind of guy they are and

849
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: how they got to where they are and then and

850
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: it's a it's a very intimate relationship between players and

851
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: their coaches because you live together and you find out

852
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: who each other is. Because right or wrong, you put

853
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: a hot you know, inside the locker room. You kind

854
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: of make it into a life and death day to

855
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: day thing. You know, these games are life and death.

856
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: You kind of put that kind of importance on them,

857
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: so you kind of you kind of let your guard

858
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: down with the people around you because they're in it

859
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: with you. And right Soakanovich holds a place for a

860
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Yeah, And I think the thing where

861
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: football is unique is it's so segmented in terms of

862
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: its coaching, where most other team sports just have a

863
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: head coach. I know baseball has hitting coaches and bench coaches,

864
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: but not they don't operate in the same way that

865
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: position coaches do in football. And I think it there's

866
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: a whole other layer of coach player relationships that exist

867
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: in football beyond the head coach, that really don't exist

868
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: all that much in a lot of the other team sports.

869
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: Even though there are assistant coaches on staff, there's not

870
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: the intimate seeing the daily interaction between a position coach

871
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: and their players as there is in football, and I

872
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: think that's what makes some of those relationships so special

873
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: in football specifically, right Dasi Candidate's passed away this last weekend.

874
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's coached from nineteen ninety two to ninety seven.

875
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: I knew the man and respect him a great deal.

876
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to see him go. So I just I

877
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: wish I wanted to touch on that. Um Brianie, we're

878
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: at the top of the hour. We're gonna have a

879
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: little sports update and then we can get into this

880
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: the Twitter poll about this the cheating incident and what

881
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: people think about it. I think it doesn't say something

882
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: about you when you have some sort of maybe a

883
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: different opinion about cheaters in sports other than everybody else.

884
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I think I think you should

885
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: certainly lend some perspective to the you know, to the

886
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: steroids era in the NFL, since, yeah, I mean I

887
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of lived through it. I was lived through living

888
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: through that. So so I think that's a unique perspective

889
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: that we got to bring to the table here in

890
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: the next hour in addition to getting what I'm already

891
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: seeing are some pretty strong opinions. I mean, how many

892
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: years removed. We're seven years removed from when Lance Armstrong

893
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: finally fest up, and there are still some very strong feelings,

894
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: as I'm seeing on the tweet sheet here early about

895
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong. So we got to get into that and

896
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: take the phone calls as well, because I think people

897
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: are still pretty hot about, you know, Lance Armstrong's career

898
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: and how it blew up quite frankly, exactly all right,

899
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. Steve Tasker, Chris Brown one Bills

900
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: Live on Kalida, presented by Kalidah Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio.

901
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh a great time. I'll watch Steve lasper donstacks down

902
00:47:48,160 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: down time. Welcome back for our number two one those

903
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: Lives Steve task along with Chris Brown broadcasting from our homes, respectively.

904
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: We're not actually at one Builds a Lot. Oh, we're

905
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: not actually at one of Bill's Drive as you can

906
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: imagine why like everybody else. But we're happy to be

907
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: with you here over the airwaves. Brownie. We're talking about

908
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong and the thirty for thirty was that came

909
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: out over the weekend, and I guess the question is

910
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: that we put this on our Twitter poll and we're

911
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: getting some shall we say, passionate responses on our Twitter poll.

912
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Who's the greatest who's the worst cheater of all in

913
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: all of sports? Uh? Patriots, Spygate, NFL peed Era, Mark McGuire,

914
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds or is it the Lance Armstrong

915
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: scandal that happened after we won six Tour de Frances

916
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: And we're getting a lot of responses on the tweet sheet?

917
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: Shall we take a couple of tweet sheets before we

918
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: go any further, Brownie, Yeah, I think there's some strong

919
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: opinions there right, all right, the gate brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving of the

921
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. You want to start it off, Brownie, Uh yeah,

922
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: I can do that, so I'll begin. This is from

923
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Cruiser in nineteen seventy seven, he said I hate the Patriots,

924
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: which incidentally, Steve is leading the poll with forty one

925
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: percent over Lance Armstrong at thirty point seven. But he

926
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: says I hate the Patriots. But Armstrong had seven Tour

927
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: de France titles stripped from him. That has to be

928
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: the winner and we should not forget. He also got

929
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: stripped of a bronze medal from the two thousand Sydney

930
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: Olympic Games for cycling there as well. So right out

931
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: of the gate, even though there is tremendous hatred for

932
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots here in Western New York, not surprisingly, Armstrong

933
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: still wins in the eyes of Cruiser in nineteen seventy seven,

934
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: and the Patriots never got stripped of any of their titles,

935
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even close. They had a fine and

936
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: some draft picks. Now they've been and they've been accused

937
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: of it as far back as the walk through before

938
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: they're Super Bowl. Their first Super Bowl appearances against the Rams.

939
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: So there's there's all. And you talk to some of

940
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: those guys on the Rams and they're still bitter about it.

941
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: Oh really? Oh yeah. Also from the tweet sheet, who's

942
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: the greatest cheater in sports history? It would be Jack.

943
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: My Bills fandom is screaming the Patriots. It's more than

944
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: just by Gate. It's the deflation of footballs. It's all

945
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: the weird radio issues teams had when in Foxborough. It's

946
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: wacky formations that are later outlawed, exploiting every loophole, it's

947
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: all the phantom calls and they benefit from. So Jack

948
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: is a fan of the conspiracy theory in New England,

949
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: which is what you know. Bills fans I think scream

950
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: about it and they suspect it without having you know,

951
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: whatever concrete. It's just the fact that nobody, no And

952
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: there are a lot of smart people in football, right Brownie.

953
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean a ton of really intelligent people getting paid

954
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money to win games and win as

955
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: many of them as they can. And nobody is even

956
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: in the realm of what the Patriots have done in

957
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. Nobody has even gotten close appearances

958
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: and I think what makes it worse is the fact that,

959
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, Roger Goodell with the Spygate thing, they destroyed

960
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: the tape so there was you know, no evidence for

961
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: all of time or you know what I mean, like,

962
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: but they didn't they punished them. Bill did half a

963
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: million dollars the draft picks they took from him. I

964
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: don't think it was to the level of satisfaction for

965
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people, which is why many of them

966
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: are still sore. And then we even had the incident

967
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: last year where the guy was supposedly filming a thing

968
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: for the team website, profiling one of their scouts shooting

969
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: the field. And it's hard to it's hard to it's

970
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: hard for even UNI, it's hard for us to get

971
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: riled over that that incident, because you mean, we've all

972
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: been they all every team has an enormous division within

973
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: their board, within their building. But it's about creating content.

974
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: You go out and you do, you shoot videos of

975
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: your coaches, you do, but and when you cross over,

976
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: like you can't point your camera and you've been at practice.

977
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: For us, we can't pan the field and show them

978
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: what practice going on in practice. We can't show people

979
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: that because the Jets, the Patriots, the Dolphins, and whoever

980
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: else is on the schedule. They watch it and they

981
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: get ideas, or they get a formation, they get a precedent,

982
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: they just and so our team doesn't even do that.

983
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: But so when you point your camera in the wrong

984
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: direction in the NFL world, there is a price to pay,

985
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: and it all comes from spygate, right, And they don't Yeah,

986
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: and they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. So

987
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: that's based on their history. So that's the issue there.

988
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: This one struck me, Steve from Tiffany. Lance Armstrong was

989
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: an iconic sports figure. His story of survival transcended sports

990
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: all along. He cheated using PDS to obtain greatness and

991
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: then lied about it. In my opinion, it's one of

992
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: the biggest black eyes in American sports history, forever tarnishing

993
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: his reputation. Now, that is the kind of response that

994
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: I quite frankly was expecting, because I think in that

995
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: answer it encapsulates what angers people so much, because, as

996
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: you said, Steve in the last hour, in general, sports

997
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: fans in the United States do not care about cycling, okay,

998
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: but they do care about winners, and Lance was a

999
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: winner to the youngteenth degree. I mean one seven in

1000
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: a row, which is you know, and in the most

1001
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: grueling race on the planet perhaps, And I think there

1002
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: was a troupe. There was even greater respect from him

1003
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: because he was also a comeback story. I total, yeah,

1004
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: well yeah, I mean I totally forgot Steve. He was

1005
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: stage four, Like. It wasn't like I've got testicular cancer.

1006
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: Let me have surgery and we're all good. It was

1007
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: metastasized to his brain. He had two Yeah, it was

1008
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: in his lungs, it was in his brain. I couldn't

1009
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: believe it. I totally forgot how bad it was. So

1010
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: to me. I So you take all of that, and

1011
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: so now I think it inflated his image even bigger

1012
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: than any successful athlete you can imagine. Now, he didn't

1013
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: recognize the magnitude of it at the time, and that's

1014
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: all well and good, But the fact that he had

1015
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: been inflated into this mythical person who came back from

1016
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: death's door. I mean, you heard the doctor in the

1017
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: in the special on Sunday on the thirty for thirty,

1018
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: he said, well, we told Lance twenty to fifty percent

1019
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: chance of survival coming back from this stage four cancer

1020
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: that he had. He's like realistic, it was like zero

1021
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: to two percent, Like he was the longest of odds

1022
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: you could possibly have, right. And then so just surviving that,

1023
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: forget about being an athlete, just surviving that is a

1024
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: gigantic victory with a capital V. Here's the problem, Brownie,

1025
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: with me dredging a passion for you know, Lance Armstrong

1026
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: being this old time cheater and how he misled the

1027
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: cancer community and that he wasn't cheating. And here's that

1028
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: sport is kind of to me, it's kind of like

1029
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: him an Olympic sport, right, protect particularly for American fans.

1030
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, we see it in the Olympics, and we

1031
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: don't really follow cycling, and it's not done much here

1032
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: in the United States. And and I was, and I

1033
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: was like, and I told you this earlier in the Yeah,

1034
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: of course everybody's doping. They're doing something that's humanly impossible.

1035
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: They're they're riding riding their bike on a marathon ride

1036
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: for three straight weeks every day. So and I and

1037
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: there's a ink nod atmosphere And you said it too.

1038
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: They kind of self admittedly when they caught that team

1039
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: the year before Lance came back. It was like, yeah,

1040
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: it's like it was the wild West. So it was

1041
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: that kind of atmosphere in cycling. And then here's and

1042
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: you can and I can just see this evolution happening

1043
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: for a guy like Lance Armstrong. He wins a Tour

1044
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: de France, wins a couple and he overcomes cancer and

1045
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: then comes back and I think I got that right.

1046
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: He won the Tour de Frances after he had came

1047
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: back from cancer, right, And so it's like, wow, this

1048
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: is it really is an amazing story. And then that

1049
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: catches on the United States. And of course nobody, not

1050
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: even those who knew everything about what was going on

1051
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: in the cycling world with doping and all of that,

1052
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: nobody was saying anything publicly. They were all like, of

1053
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: course not, no, none of that's going on, right, So

1054
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: he's got to he's got to draw that. He's got

1055
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: to tow that company line, like the cycling world line,

1056
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: about nothing's going on, because yeah, they caught that team

1057
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: five years ago, and now everybody's kind of on the

1058
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: shape up and now. But you know, even though the

1059
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: Tour de France is being run faster now than it

1060
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: was when those guys were doping. Nobody's doping. Yeah, okay,

1061
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: it was a company line, right, So it was a

1062
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: company line. He's not alone in the fact that he's doing.

1063
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: Now he's put in the spot where, Wow, you're a

1064
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: cancer survivor and you came back and you're doing all this.

1065
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: That's awesome, And now you're this celebrity that's got to

1066
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: single handedly continue this big charade that the entire sport

1067
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: is putting on. And you've got to do it in

1068
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: a country where they're actually taking him seriously. So all right,

1069
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: so let me let me pose it this way too,

1070
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: since you do have some measure of sympathy for Lance

1071
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: and what happened to him. So in a sport where

1072
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: doping transcends the culture that is cycling and is almost

1073
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: well within the sport anyway, is readily accepted as being

1074
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: necessary if you want to compete at the level I

1075
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: mean Lance has taken cortisone shots as a teenager put it,

1076
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: put it shortly like this, if you want to play,

1077
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to dope. You're gonna have to do it.

1078
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: If you want to be in the sport at the

1079
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: highest level, you've got to do it. And that was

1080
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: pretty widely accepted. Go ahead, right, So that so you

1081
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: take that. Now you're at the highest level, You're at

1082
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: the Tour de France. This guy comes back from cancer

1083
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: and not only wins the tour but does it in

1084
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: record setting time in nineteen ninety nine. But all the

1085
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: people that run the UIIC, which is the International Cycling Group. Yeah,

1086
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: everyone from UIC, everyone from the Tour de France, being

1087
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: a year removed from controversy and scandal with that team

1088
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: being tossed, simply looked the other way because they needed

1089
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: they needed Lance as the vehicle to bring the tour back.

1090
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: So now my question to you, Steve is does the

1091
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: culture of doping pretty much universally across the highest level

1092
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: of the sport and does the governing bodies looking the

1093
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: other way in ninety nine when it was patently obvious

1094
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: to every French reporter covering the thing that there was

1095
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: some cheating going on in some way, shape or form,

1096
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: because a guy doesn't come back a year and a

1097
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: half removed from cancer and win the tour and oh,

1098
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: by the way, do it in record setting time, crushing

1099
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: records from the previous years. Do you absolve Lance because

1100
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: of that culture that existed. Yeah, I would say for

1101
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: the simple fact that he was obviously not the only

1102
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: guy doing that. I would say, yeah, you point the

1103
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: point the finger at the leadership if you want to

1104
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: clean your sport up, clean it up. Well, yeah, and

1105
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: there was. But I don't know if I can't because

1106
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: let me to bring myself to absolve him. Though. That's

1107
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: the part that gets me, Like, just because everybody's doing

1108
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean what they do it's okay. Whether it's

1109
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: you or anybody else, that's just it. Not everybody. But

1110
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: he's the only one that we're punishing for it. We're

1111
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: not punishings. There were other people that suits were filed

1112
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: against them and they lost sponsorships and all of this.

1113
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: And even the guy that that Italian trainer a shower,

1114
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: he got fined like a million dollars and got banned

1115
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: from World Sports for life. So there are other people

1116
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: that paid a price. I think you can argue that

1117
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: Armstrong was a scapegoat because he was the most visible

1118
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: figure in the sport. And if we get this guy,

1119
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, cut the head off the snake kind of thing.

1120
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: I won't deny that the problem with me lies with

1121
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: it's even worse to me that he misled a movement

1122
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: of cancer survivors. Yeah, I think that's even worse than him.

1123
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: It is part in the cheating. That's what's the one

1124
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: that think about this though, Brownie, was he not completely

1125
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: trapped in that lie by the time this cancer thing

1126
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: got out in the and the momentum took and he's

1127
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: being asked to be the you know, he's you know,

1128
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: getting this award, begetting that were asked to speak here

1129
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: and get getting big fees for doing it, and all

1130
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: to perpetuate this comeback story that he had and raising

1131
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: millions of dollars for an awesome cause of this, the

1132
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: Livestrong movement and all that, And certainly he benefited personally

1133
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: from it. But by the same token, wasn't he almost

1134
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: like trapped inside this lie once you got it started

1135
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: and if you're gonna keep it going, you're gonna keep

1136
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: it going, And all of a sudden he becomes this

1137
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: larger than life hero as a cyclist because of his

1138
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: comeback story and also because that the sport itself demanded

1139
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: that he keep this to raps. Yeah, what I was

1140
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: trying to pull. He not trapped, well, I think because

1141
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: of the culture that he was in and wanting to

1142
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: and being the type a personality that he was, and

1143
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: wanting to compete at the highest level and to be successful.

1144
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: He had a decision to make, and the crossroads was

1145
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: do you want to be a champion in this sport

1146
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: that you have invested all this time in, Well, then

1147
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: you're going to have to do this. If you can't,

1148
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: if you can't reconcile that with your own code of ethics,

1149
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: then don't do it right. And he chose the He

1150
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: chose the Yeah, I want to compete and I want

1151
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: to be there. And and maybe as a professional athlete,

1152
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: Steve who played at the highest level, you can relate

1153
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: to this, maybe a little bit more because I think

1154
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: the average Joe has trouble coming to grips with them

1155
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: making that decision. Here's the here's what you And I

1156
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: don't know if the average guy can can relate to it.

1157
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: And I certainly can because I came up in the

1158
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: NFL fell during the mid eighties and it was you know,

1159
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: it was it was legal. It wasn't even illegal to

1160
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: take steroids. So my point is that you that you

1161
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: were just you know, talking about um is evident in

1162
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: that he would have had to walk away from all

1163
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: of it, all of it. He would have come back,

1164
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: live in Austin, get a different job, changes entirely, forget

1165
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: about being a world champion cyclist, forget about winning the

1166
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: Tour de France, get a job that whatever you wanted

1167
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: to do, that's it, that was gonna be, you know,

1168
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: take up a career elsewhere. You would have had to

1169
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: walk away from everything you had dedicated the first two

1170
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: and a half years of your life too, and just

1171
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: walk away from it and say goodbye, and that was it.

1172
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 1: And let me tell you that that's I think that's

1173
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: asking more than anybody would be willing to do. And

1174
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. In the NFL nineteen eighty five.

1175
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: I come into the league and and it was kind

1176
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: of a wink nod that all the big guys in

1177
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: the NFL we were juicing and it was all black market.

1178
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't like this doctor's helping him and this doctor's

1179
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: helping him. It was guys like you go in that

1180
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: you talk to bodybuilders, you talk to Olympic there's it's

1181
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole you can go down a long way.

1182
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: So everybody was, you know, it was just accepted that

1183
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: guys did that. And here's the thing. All of a sudden,

1184
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: you've got a chance at a young age to make

1185
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: seven figures or not or be or go out, and

1186
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: you came out, and whether you graduated or didn't graduate

1187
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: with your degree from whatever university you played football at,

1188
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: you're doing something else. Now, that's all there is to it.

1189
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for stopping by. You're done. You're not gonna be

1190
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. You're not gonna get on TV. You're

1191
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: not gonna be a Buffalo Bill, a Houston Oil or

1192
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: a New York Jet, whatever whatever team you pick. You're

1193
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: not gonna be that. You gotta do something else. That

1194
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: and knowing that your friends and the guys you've played with,

1195
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: they're going to continue to do it and it's not

1196
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: changing and there's not going to change anytime soon. Now

1197
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't cheating then there's just no rules against it. Yeah,

1198
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: so that's why you couldn't go to the public. That's

1199
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, that's the difference. Well, and while it is,

1200
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: while there is a difference, I was trying to get

1201
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: inside Armstrong's personality from the show. I was trying to

1202
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: really feel like what makes him tick, like why would

1203
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: he make this decision? And I mean you could go

1204
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: all the way back to when he was fifteen and

1205
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: forging his birth certificates so he could get into these

1206
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: events at age fifteen when the minimum age was sixteen.

1207
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: And I know that probably pales in comparison to doping.

1208
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 1: But I sat there thinking to myself, Man, I wonder

1209
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: if that's where you know, the seed was planted, like

1210
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: this is okay or whatever was whatever The next step

1211
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: might have been taking Cortison shots as a teenager. You know,

1212
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: we're starting the other kind of joping before that EPO

1213
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: became available and became rocket fuel for cyclists. But the

1214
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: thing that stuck with me because I was looking him

1215
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: up online after the show, you know, because I'm sure

1216
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: this will be unveiled in part two next Sunday in

1217
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: the thirty for thirty. But when he said, he said,

1218
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: after all of it came out and he went on

1219
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: Oprah and admitted everything and finally came clean, he said,

1220
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: my mythic perfect story was one big lie, and my

1221
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: denials came from quote being a guy who expected to

1222
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: get whatever he wanted and to control every outcome. He

1223
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: was a guy who thought he owned everything and was

1224
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: and obviously felt he was above the law and there

1225
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: were gonna be no repercussions because he was Lance Armstrong.

1226
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: And I think that and I think that was seed

1227
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: was planted in his head when the Cycling Union or board,

1228
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: the unit, the International Board look the other way in

1229
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine, right. And I think that's it's interesting too,

1230
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: because there's a lot, there's a lot in this to unpack,

1231
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: and they're going there's more episodes coming up on this

1232
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong thing. Chris Brown, along with Steve tasks before

1233
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: we go to we go, before we're going to break them,

1234
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna read one last tweet from the tweet sheet of

1235
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: Who's the worst cheater in sports History? And this from B.

1236
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: Morman twenty twenty. I and this is I think indicative

1237
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: of why people were so adamantly outraged by Lance Armstrong

1238
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: and says this, I remember from B. Mormon twenty twenty.

1239
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid and looking up to Armstrong

1240
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: and seeing him on TV. Balk at the French media

1241
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: cheatings claims at least with the Patriots, you know or

1242
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: they know that they're trying to cheat. Lance hiding it

1243
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: made it much worse in my opinion, and I that's

1244
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: one of the things too. It was the web if

1245
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: everybody is if everybody's doing it, everybody's doing it. Everybody's

1246
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: doing it. That's one thing. But to expand on it

1247
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: and benefit from it in so many other ways outside

1248
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: of cycling, like in the in the lance, in the

1249
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: Live Strong movement, and all the other things that are

1250
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: that went on with it, and to continually expand on

1251
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: it and double down on the on the lies and

1252
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: the cover ups and all of that. For a lot

1253
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: of people, that's what made it worse for them was

1254
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: the fact that he used the cancer movement for his

1255
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 1: personal game. I guess his personal game. I don't know

1256
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: that he made a dime off of it other than

1257
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: appearance fees and that kind of thing. But that's what

1258
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: makes it worse for a lot of people is the

1259
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: fact that he lied about it might rather than saying,

1260
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I had to do it. Everybody was

1261
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: doing it, um and it's the way the sport worked

1262
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: at that time, and I was willing to live with

1263
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: the consequences. So yeah, you know. So I don't know

1264
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: if that's one big rationalization perhaps, but I still got

1265
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: to think it was an atmosphere that a lot of

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Speaker 1: us just don't understand. And our and our producer Jay

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Speaker 1: Harris brought up a point before we went on the

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Speaker 1: air today too, with respect to the advantage that it

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Speaker 1: gave him. Now, granted, it gives the advantage to everybody

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Speaker 1: that's doping, but cycling is largely an endurance sport. You know,

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Speaker 1: you could talk about steroids making you stronger and helping

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Speaker 1: you in football. You still need enough skill to play football,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? There are in there

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Speaker 1: are inherent skills necessary to at least play the sport,

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Speaker 1: and then if he gets stronger, all the better. It's

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Speaker 1: not like cycling. Cycling is endurance only, Like as long

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Speaker 1: as you can balance yourself on a bike, it's end Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that EPO stuff put more red blood cells in

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Speaker 1: their bloodstream to carry more oxygen to their muscles so

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Speaker 1: they could perform longer at a higher exertion level. I

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Speaker 1: mean it was. It was the quintessential drug for an

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Speaker 1: endurance sport. I mean, I think the only other thing

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: that might compare is like a marathon runner. But I

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Speaker 1: just look at the whole thing, and I think people still,

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Speaker 1: even now, they can't forgive the guy right, And I

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: understand why, I really do, because even if he understands

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Speaker 1: now the magnitude of what he did, it's almost too little,

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01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: too late, I think in the eyes of a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that felt scorned by him, whether they were

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Speaker 1: a member of the cancer survivor community or knew. Because

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, too, Steve, you're touching an awful lot

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Speaker 1: of people when you're doing a cancer cause as big

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Speaker 1: as him. I mean, if you didn't have a live

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Speaker 1: strong bracelet on, you knew somebody who did. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't have cancer, you know a family member or

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Speaker 1: a friend or I mean, you're no more than two

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Speaker 1: degrees separated from someone who dealt with cancer, passed from cancer,

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Speaker 1: or is dealing with cancer. So I just think that

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Speaker 1: the tentacles of this at so far and so wide,

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: he impacted way too many people. He's never coming back from.

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Speaker 1: Who is the greatest sports cheater in all of all time?

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: We've got a list. You can tweet at us and vote,

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: or you can just just give us a call if

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Speaker 1: you want. At eight o three oh five fifty or

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Speaker 1: one eighty eight five fifty two five fifty. Steve Tasker

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Speaker 1: along with Chris Brown. At the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: We've got Mike Grdi coming on NFL Network Reporter. He's

1308
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: a contribute to NFL Total Access, NFL Game Day Morning,

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01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: and NFL Up to the Minute. You can also follow

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: Mike Gardi on Twitter at Mike gr at Mike Giardi Brandon.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Giardi's coming on. We've got more to talk about with

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong and much more. We've got What's for lunch

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Speaker 1: coming up as well as what did we learn? This

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Speaker 1: is one of Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health on

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to one of Dell's lives

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Speaker 1: Steave Task. Along with Chris Brown. We're talking about the

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Speaker 1: Lance arms Strong thirty for thirty over the weekend and

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Speaker 1: at one thing. We've also got a call coming in

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna take him in a Brownie. You up.

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Speaker 1: We started out the show's talking about the match the

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Speaker 1: golf thing. I think we'd beat that Integram. You can

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Speaker 1: call us about that as well. Uh what and maybe

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Speaker 1: tomorrow Brownie. Uh this little inspirational for tomorrow's Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: name the foursome. You want to watch on TV playing

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, you know I have to.

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Speaker 1: They got they gotta they gotta be able to play golf,

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Speaker 1: and they gotta be entertaining, and they gotta be competitors

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01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: now also too, they got to be friendly. I don't

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to sing up there, and

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Speaker 1: you know right, I don't. Yeah, I don't need that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the animosity. That's uncomfortable for me. I

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Speaker 1: want to be have fun. I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: you know, I need a couple of hockey players out there.

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: They usually swing pretty good sticks, so that's right, all right.

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Speaker 1: So who's the greatest cheater in sports? We've got a

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Speaker 1: call from Patrick and Buffalo on the line. He says,

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Speaker 1: it's the nineteen nineteen White Socks, which is a pretty

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: good call. Patrick, are you on the line? You're on

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Speaker 1: with Stephen Chris? How are you today? I dropped? That's

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: too bad. Sorry about that patch. We probably he called

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: right before the break and we didn't get a chance

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: to get to him before we had to go. But

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Speaker 1: Brownie yet, Uh knocks are interesting? Yeah? What about the

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Speaker 1: white the black socks? We called they were the Chicago

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Speaker 1: White Sox. But they're, you know, obviously called the black

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Speaker 1: Socks because of the gab they threw the World Series.

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Speaker 1: They got bought off basically, And yeah, I mean at

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Speaker 1: the time, baseball was really the only sport that mattered

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Speaker 1: in the United States at that time, so it was

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Speaker 1: gigantic news, and but it I think it pales in

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01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: comparison only because it wasn't on a world stage the

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Speaker 1: way Lance Armstrong was. Lance Armstrong was a world figure.

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Speaker 1: You know, you feel you kind of feel bad for

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: some of the guys on that team, like Chewless. Joe

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: Jackson is the poster child for not really understanding what

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01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: the heck was going on, because you look at his

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Speaker 1: stats from that World Series. I think he hit like

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Speaker 1: three seventy five. He had a great series, and it

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Speaker 1: was the best of nine back then, it wasn't the

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Speaker 1: best of seven. He had a fantastic series, but they

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Speaker 1: insisted that he was on the take two, but his

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Speaker 1: play didn't indicate that. It was gigantic headline, front page

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Speaker 1: news for weeks on end, including you know, whatever trial

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Speaker 1: ensued after that. But as big as that was on

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Speaker 1: the national stage at that time, I just don't think

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Speaker 1: it holds a candle to Lance Armstrong just because of

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Speaker 1: the global figure that he was at that time. And

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Speaker 1: even even at that time, social media during Lance Armstrong

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Speaker 1: time wasn't what it is now, right, you know, just

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Speaker 1: ten twelve years ago. But still his global reach was was.

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Speaker 1: Like he said in the show, it was like Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 1: it was like Lebron James. Yeah, first Muhammad Ali, but

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Speaker 1: you know it was it was global. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there was any question about that. I think too, And

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Speaker 1: I know it's we're all kind of a little bit

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Speaker 1: prisoners at the moment, uh, in whatever day and age

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Speaker 1: we find ourselves. But I think there is something to

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Speaker 1: be said for the fact that when something happens in

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Speaker 1: today and I'm saying in recent history, everybody finds out

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Speaker 1: about it simultaneously, that doesn't lessen the impact on like

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Speaker 1: something that happened on Lance Armstrong, where you find out

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Speaker 1: two weeks later, you know, after this trial happens and

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Speaker 1: stuff and the word gets out and you know, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make it to the sports shows or whatever whatever. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, you find out about it subsequently.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't lower the outrage. It just we don't all

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Speaker 1: outrage at the same time, I suppose well and the

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Speaker 1: other I think there's another element here too, with the

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong case in particular too Steve, because there was

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Speaker 1: mounting evidence against him, you know, doping. There's no way

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Speaker 1: this guy wasn't doping. There's no way his team wasn't doping.

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Speaker 1: You don't just win in seven in a row. You

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Speaker 1: don't just win three in a row. Quite frankly for

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Speaker 1: a race. That's so difficult, especially for a cancer survivor.

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Speaker 1: So there was this mounting evidence. In the United States

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Speaker 1: Anti Doping Agency got involved. They were putting a mountain

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Speaker 1: of evidence together, and yet it was just denial after

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01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: denial after denial. And very often when people are caught

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Speaker 1: and they see this evidence mounting against them, that's becoming

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01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: more and more difficult to refute. More often than not,

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: those people come clean. Yeah, this guy fought it for

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01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: probably six almost seven years, whether he was hiring lobbyists

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01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: to squash things in Congress, whether it was litigation to

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01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: get things thrown out of court on a technicality, to

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Speaker 1: stop people in their tracks. He even chose not to

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Speaker 1: respond to an arbitration put together by the US Anti

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Speaker 1: Doping Agency because his attorney told him. If we don't

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Speaker 1: respond and we don't contradict what they're alleging, it will

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Speaker 1: stay in a sealed envelope. It won't The records that

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Speaker 1: they found there are two hundred pages of evidence and

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Speaker 1: documents won't be released to the public. So he didn't

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Speaker 1: challenge it because he's like, let's keep it sealed. And

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Speaker 1: the only reason it came out was because the USA

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Speaker 1: DA changed their own by laws so they could release

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Speaker 1: records in a separate case entirely although it was cycling,

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden his stuff was available to

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Speaker 1: the public. And then that's what started the chain of

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Speaker 1: events that ultimately led to his admitting on OPRAH. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I did it all. It was one big lot.

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Speaker 1: It's just so not only deceiving cancer survivors, but then

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Speaker 1: the deny else for seven years before he finally said, ah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know that was me. I think that really rubs

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Speaker 1: people the wrong way too. Yeah, no question about it.

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01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 1: And and it's a thing that goes on and on

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Speaker 1: and on throughout the sport as well. And if you're

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong and you're sitting there in front of whatever,

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Speaker 1: some some congressional committee and they confront you within Listen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did all of it because I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: a cyclist if I wanted. If I wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: do that, I could not be that because you have

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Speaker 1: to do that to be that, you have to dope

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Speaker 1: to be a cyclist. And where I wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: walk away from a career that I dedicated my life too.

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Speaker 1: And I you know that, that to me is the

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Speaker 1: tipping point. And then the cancer survivorship thing is you know,

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Speaker 1: the inspiration and all the good that came out of it,

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Speaker 1: which there was a lot of it. Um, you can

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01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: say what you want about it, but what are you

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Speaker 1: What it boils down to is a young kid and

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Speaker 1: plus and all the Niles. It's throughout the this U

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Speaker 1: thirty for thirty that I saw this episode. That's the

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Speaker 1: kind of guy he was. He was combative, he was stubborn,

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01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: he was arrogant. Uh he and even some of his

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: critics that, what's going on with Lance? How's he doing

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Speaker 1: all this? And they said, and they said, no, he is.

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Speaker 1: He is a he is a badass, right, that was

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Speaker 1: what they called him. He is he is all of that.

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01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: And so he had everything. It took off the racetrack,

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01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: and you know, it did not that part of his

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01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: personality did not serve him well when he was trying

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01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: to fight this, you know, fight the uncovering of everything

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01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: that was going on in the cycling world in his career.

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Speaker 1: And it's amazing we've gotten this far in the show

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Speaker 1: about cheating, and we didn't even touch on the Astros

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Speaker 1: sign stealing thing, which is probably the most recent example,

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Speaker 1: you know, of cheating and everything. And you know, I

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: don't think I can be an objective observer that just

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Speaker 1: by virtue of the fact that I'm a big Yankees fan,

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Speaker 1: and it's hard not to say I feel and players

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Speaker 1: on that Yankees team have even said at cc Sabathium,

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Speaker 1: most notably he said he feels they got cheated out

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Speaker 1: of an opportunity to go to the World Series because

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Speaker 1: they were playing against a team that had a stack

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Speaker 1: deck and knew what pitches were coming. And so it's

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Speaker 1: it's hard to argue with that. No one will ever know,

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Speaker 1: and no, I don't know that anyone can ever quantify

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01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: the degree to which they had an advantage. But I

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01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: don't think there's any denial by anyone who knows anything

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: about baseball that when you know what pitch is coming,

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Speaker 1: you have a decided advantage. I mean, you still got

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01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: to put the thing in play, and it's got to

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01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: be where nobody else is fielding. But still in all

1474
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: you know you're getting a fastball, maybe I will turn

1475
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: on that thing and swing from your shoetops. Right, that's right,

1476
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: And see this, we're back. We're right back to the

1477
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: same thing though. Sign stealing really and I get it,

1478
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: they used they went a step further than anybody else camera, Yeah, exactly.

1479
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: I mean they had a contraption and and a protocol

1480
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: for doing it, and it was Yeah, it was sophisticated. Right, So, uh,

1481
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: that's a little bit different one, and it's it's blatant,

1482
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: and it was a conspiracy. It was a team wide,

1483
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,759
Speaker 1: organizational wide conspiracy. Whether there are people in the organization

1484
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: or not, there was enough people in the organization that

1485
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: it was. It was, you know, virtually top to bottom.

1486
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care for in the in the

1487
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: clubhouse anyway. So but but sign stealing is that goes

1488
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: back and baseball is has a problem in and of itself,

1489
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: you know, and you know my feelings on baseball. I mean,

1490
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm I've you know, i've laughingly, you know, ridiculed it

1491
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: for a long time in good fun. But anytime you've

1492
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: got a sport that hinges on unwritten rules, uh, you've

1493
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: got a problem. You've got a real problem. And and

1494
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: now I think baseball maybe we'll get out of its

1495
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: way and say, listening, we got to write some of

1496
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: this stuff down and enforce it. Um. As distasteful as

1497
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: that sounds, yeah, but they didn't even do that with

1498
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: some of the bands. The eventual band substances that Mark

1499
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: McGuire and Sammy Silso were taking, Andrew stein Dion was

1500
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: not a band substance. I mean, McGuire is getting interviewed

1501
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: the year of the home run chase in ninety eight,

1502
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: and he's got it sitting on his locker shelf behind

1503
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: him on camera. Oh yeah, oh yeah, take this every day,

1504
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: Andrew stein Dione, no problem. I mean, never mind that

1505
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: my shoulders are as big as my head and I

1506
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: have no neck. Uh. You know, Baseball needed that after

1507
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: the ninety four strike. Baseball needed them in ninety eight,

1508
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: And just like the Tour de France needed lance in

1509
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 1: ninety nine, Baseball needed so McGuire to get they they

1510
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: looked the other way, all right, Steve Tasker, Chris Brown,

1511
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: One Bill's livery to come back the top of the hour.

1512
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: Mike Giardi from NFL Network's going to be here. This

1513
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: is One Bills Live presented by Kalidah Health and this

1514
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One of Bills,

1515
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: the Lives Cheap task. Along with Chris Brown, we've been

1516
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: talking about the Lance Armstrong story. We've also, uh we

1517
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 1: touched base on the match with Tiger Phil Peyton and

1518
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: Tom over the weekend twenty million dollars charity match of

1519
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: the golf course that they played in the pouring rain.

1520
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun. The Lance Armstrong thing

1521
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: has got some legs though. That thing. We've got a

1522
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: Twitter pull out that is really telling about your opinions

1523
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: about who might be the most that the biggest cheater

1524
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: in sports history. And we've got every big thing from uh,

1525
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, the we we offered the Patriots, we offered

1526
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball, the NFL, and the Patriots in

1527
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: specifically Inspy Gate, and then of course I ended up

1528
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: with Lance Armstrong. We've got that going on. You can

1529
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: tweet us at that. We've got tweets on the tweet sheet. Um, Brownie,

1530
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's do some lunch. How about that. We're

1531
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna do a little bit of what's for lunch? So

1532
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: this is what what's for lunch is when Brownie and

1533
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: I have a few things on the menu, we have

1534
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: this or that kind of Uh, what would you rather

1535
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 1: have for lunch? In this in this particular moment of

1536
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: rookies who are coming into the National Football League, Brownie,

1537
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: who are you most interested in watching? Is it Joe

1538
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: Burrow first overall pick for the Cincinnati Bengals or Chase

1539
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: Young is a second overall pick to the Washington Redskins. Yeah,

1540
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy for me, and I'm always more I

1541
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: lean more towards the AFC than the NFC anyway, But

1542
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm interested in Burrow more primarily because I want to

1543
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:58,520
Speaker 1: see if he can raise the cachet of the Bengals.

1544
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: Can't and probably not going to happen in his rookie year,

1545
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: But is he going to show signs that he's going

1546
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: to be able to lift that organization up to a

1547
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: place where they can at least contend for a playoff

1548
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: spot and be another team that you know, the Bills

1549
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,839
Speaker 1: have to be concerned about in the AFC going forward.

1550
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that's the watch for me. I mean, we've

1551
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: seen great pass rushers coming the league and sad quarterbacks,

1552
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,879
Speaker 1: and that's all well and good, but knowing the importance

1553
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: of the quarterback position Burrow to me and seeing how

1554
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: seeing if he can replicate even some measure of the

1555
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: success he had at LSU would be very intriguing to me. Yeah,

1556
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit torn on this because Chase Young

1557
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 1: going to what has been in the past under the

1558
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: current leadership has been a really rough franchise to play for.

1559
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: Kind of defensive lineman, pass rusher really make a big

1560
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: difference on the team like that. I kind of doubt it.

1561
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: Certainly he'll be in the NFC heat He's gonna get

1562
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: a chance of some being some pretty high profile games.

1563
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: But I think you're right. I hate to say it.

1564
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I think this league

1565
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: is about quarterbacks and Chase and Joe Burrow is he

1566
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: kind of got to watch that. Um, he went to

1567
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: a bad franchise as well, one has been widely accepted

1568
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: as a bad franchise, a tough franchise to play for,

1569
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: one that doesn't really have a large budget, one that

1570
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: doesn't really spend money on its players, one that really

1571
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: doesn't um. You know, I've heard it written, read it

1572
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: written that back in the day Paul Brown, who was

1573
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: who was you know, kind of a you know Mount

1574
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: Rushmore type of NFL personality. He wasn't really the fun

1575
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: and happy, go lucky guy to work for. And he's

1576
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: more like, you know, had a ring through his player's

1577
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: nose and led him around like the prize livestock. And

1578
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: I think that I think that the vibe coming out

1579
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: of there has been echoed like that over the years

1580
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: with Mike Brown. So it's a tough place to play,

1581
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: it's a tough organization to play for and kind of

1582
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: be emotionally all in with. And if Joe Burrow can

1583
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: go in and change that, um, that'll be impressive. Particularly

1584
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: and I you know, who knows where he's gonna He's

1585
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: there's no way he's gonna recreate that season he had

1586
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: at LSU last year as an all time season. But

1587
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: quarterbacks struggle to begin with. And there have been two

1588
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks of note that have gone in there and had

1589
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: really nice careers that still don't have all that much

1590
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: nice things to say about Cincinnati being boomerus size and Carson.

1591
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Is Joe Burrow gonna go down that road? Maybe they

1592
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: had pretty good careers, but um, we're all that happy

1593
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: after their days in Cincinnati. Yeah, and Burrows a native

1594
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: Ohio and too, I mean he grew up in Athens,

1595
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 1: so I mean he's he's the home hometown kid, so

1596
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be clued to him. And I think he'll

1597
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 1: get the benefit of the doubt in his home state.

1598
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: All right, So both of us choose Joe Burrow over

1599
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Chase Sharing is being a guy we want to watch. Secondly,

1600
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: I want to go to this one. Yeah, one wide receiver.

1601
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Which guy do you want to take on your team? Brownie?

1602
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: Is it Terrell Owens or Randy Moss for me? I

1603
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question, but go ahead, Yeah, it's

1604
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Moss for me. While Owen's numbers and his ability to

1605
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: dominate a game are unquestioned, I'm just not dealing with

1606
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: the drama. I can't do it. I just I can't

1607
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: do it. And what does that say? I mean this

1608
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: guy when he retired, I think what was the third

1609
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: all time and catches? I think he's top five in

1610
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: yards and I think he's third or fourth and receiving touchdowns.

1611
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 1: I mean, his numbers are ridiculous. A guy is all world.

1612
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: He's elite, and it was from the moment he stepped

1613
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: on the field until he stepped off it. Right, But

1614
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: I'd rather go with Moss. Now, Moss had his drawbacks

1615
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: as well. I mean he was a little weird too

1616
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: at times, whether he's pretending he's pulling down his pants

1617
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: after a touchdown in Green Bay or doing some other

1618
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a risk when he was drafted

1619
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: by Minnesota. We can't forget that. I mean he was

1620
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: a character risk. Yeah, but I think you know, eventually

1621
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: it clicked for him. And even though he really didn't

1622
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: help Oakland in any way, shape or form in his

1623
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: short time there, that was a complete washout and disaster

1624
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: for the Raiders organization. You know, what he did with

1625
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota and with New England is well documented. Yeah, I

1626
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: would agree that Randy it's a no brain or Randy Moss.

1627
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this too, Randy Moss was well

1628
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: liked by his teammates. Right, it's ll Owens. I mean

1629
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you think of what look what happened in Philly how

1630
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: that came apart. That was a that was a nightmare.

1631
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: And it was him. You know, you can't point in

1632
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: anybody else. It was him and that's that. And he

1633
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: was doing it with Andy Reid, who is said to

1634
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: be the greatest players coach of all time. Right, he

1635
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 1: went just won a World's World championship with the Chiefs

1636
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: and those guys. You know, of course they're gonna say

1637
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: that on a year they're playing so well. But man

1638
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: oh Man so and Randy Moss. I've sat and talked

1639
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: with him, I've talked to his teammates, I've I've heard

1640
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: of it. I've seen him. Um. The problems he had,

1641
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 1: particularly before he got drafted at marshal Um, it was

1642
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:16,919
Speaker 1: kids stuff to me. Even when he was in Minnesota.

1643
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: Had one altercation with a police officer where they were

1644
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: trying to direct him and he didn't want to be

1645
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: directed and kind of kept going and all that, and

1646
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: and it was kids stuff. It was very minor as stuff,

1647
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: and it was and it was kind of I don't

1648
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 1: know what you would call it. It just wasn't serious,

1649
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: none of it, which is which is interesting that you

1650
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: bring it up, because Owens did not have off the

1651
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 1: field incidents. He had team and organizational incidents, not incidents

1652
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: with the law. Ever. That's right, that's right. It was

1653
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: totally and which I don't know whether that I don't

1654
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: know what that speaks to. All I'm saying is the

1655
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: all the problems Terrell Owens had were in the building,

1656
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 1: and Randy Moss had problems that were minor and they

1657
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 1: were away from the Nothing was a problem inside the building.

1658
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: That's why I want him amazing them to see that

1659
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: as more divisive I know. Alight, all right, here we

1660
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 1: go next on what's for lunch? Bigger quarterback gamble? Is

1661
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 1: it Gardner Minshew for the Jacksonville Jaguars or Drew Locke

1662
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos. I'm gonna go with Minshew here.

1663
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure why. I think Minshew

1664
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: is viewed as the bigger long shot just by virtue

1665
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: of you know, where he was drafted. Granted, he had

1666
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: stupid numbers in that air raid offensive Washington State, you know,

1667
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: under Mike Leach, who's not there anymore. But I don't

1668
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: know I think he's I think Drew Locke is more

1669
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 1: of the prototype of what you're looking for at the

1670
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: quarterback position. That's not to say that Gardner Minshew can't

1671
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 1: be a success, but if I have to put my

1672
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: money down on somebody, I think Drew Locke has the

1673
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: greater chance long term to be what's the word I'm

1674
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: looking for productive in this productive in this league where

1675
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna help you win games more Minshew might be entertaining.

1676
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's gonna win you enough games.

1677
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: And I agree, I think Drew Locke checks more physical

1678
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: boxes than Gardner Minshew does. I think Drew Locke is

1679
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,799
Speaker 1: in a quarter and I don't think it's It speaks

1680
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 1: as much to the organization as maybe we're making it out.

1681
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: But Denver has a reputation for plowing through quarterbacks, as

1682
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 1: John Elway knows what he's looking at. If he's given

1683
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: Drew Locke a chance, another chance of after last year,

1684
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: he sees something and I've got a lot of faith

1685
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: in that. Also, Gardner Minshew, that was a he got

1686
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: thrown in no expectations. Guys kind of rallied around him.

1687
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: Says a little bit about his leadership, but I don't

1688
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: think he's got it physically. What it's going to take

1689
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 1: for them to get over the top and for him

1690
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: to do what it's going to take for that team

1691
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: to win games because of their quarterback. So we'll see

1692
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 1: about that. All right. That's what's for lunch. Steve Tasker

1693
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: along with Chris Brown. Thanks for uh kind of sticking

1694
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: around with us. Whither we go down that menu. We've

1695
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: got uh Mike Girardi coming up right after this break us.

1696
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: He's an NFL Network analyst. He's a contributor to NFL

1697
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Total Access, Game Day, NFL Morning. This is Steve Tasker

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01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: and Chris Brown. We'll be back right after this. This

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01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: is One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health on Buffalo

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01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Oh a great tackle by Steve Taskers, Dome

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01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: bus down Down Time. Welcome back to One Bill's Live,

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01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: Steam Tasker along with Chris Brown here in Great Buffalo.

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01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: It's like eighty degrees outside, spectacularly sunny, and it's a

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01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 1: tremendous day. Steve Tasker, Chris, we're here with you till three,

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01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: and we'd like to take this minute to welcome on

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01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: our show. Mike Giardi, an NFL Network reporter, contributed to

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01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: NFL Total Access, NFL Game Day Morning, and NFL Up

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01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: to the minute. You can also follow Mike on Twitter

1709
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 1: at at Mike Gardy, Mike, Steve Tasker, and Chris Brown

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01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us. How are you?

1711
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm well, man, how are you? We're doing great. I

1712
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: gotta ask you too. Did you hear the report of

1713
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: late that some NFL coaches or maybe all of them,

1714
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: but states are going to allow NFL facilities to open

1715
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: and let coaches get back in the door. What do

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01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: you think that means short term and long term? Yeah,

1717
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: I did see it, and I think it's interesting because

1718
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: there's also a report that some teams might have full

1719
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: on mini camps in June. And now you're seeing jac

1720
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: Tredder from the Browns. I believes the PA's player head

1721
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 1: there and he said, there's nothing new, guys, we haven't

1722
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: agreed to anything yet, so you know, slow your role

1723
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 1: on that. As far as the coach is going back in.

1724
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the they're trying to slowly uh

1725
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: integrate this and show that it can be done with

1726
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the proper social distancing and make people feel comfortable in

1727
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: the environment. But again, I think we're still a long

1728
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: ways off from from having uh, you know, everybody in

1729
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 1: the same place at the same time, and you know,

1730
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: doing full on football activities. How how heavy a lift

1731
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: do you see that, Mike, in terms of keeping it

1732
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: an even playing field with whatever might be left of

1733
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 1: OTAs or training camp or preseason when you have fifty

1734
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: different states kind of operating, no real national policy on this.

1735
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: How heavy a lift is this going to be? Chris,

1736
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,640
Speaker 1: It's a It's a great question, and I think it

1737
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: is going to be a delicate balance at the league

1738
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: is going to have to strike um, not only with

1739
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 1: you know, when can places reopen? You know you've already

1740
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: got a bunch of coaches on record now, just off

1741
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:59,560
Speaker 1: the top of my head, I was on a on

1742
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: a zoom called Dan Quinn from Atlanta. Mike Tomlin has

1743
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: talked about it. I believe Rabel as well, like, hey,

1744
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: you know when we should all be opening up at

1745
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: the same time despite whatever the state rules are, because

1746
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: it's just obviously um for competitive balance and for fairness

1747
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: and I don't And there's gonna be a push and

1748
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: toll on that, because I think there's gonna be the

1749
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: owners are gonna want you can do it, let's do it,

1750
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: and you know, well, my state's not open yet. Well,

1751
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry your state's not open yet, but mine is.

1752
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I can get some people in the

1753
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: building too and do all these different things to to

1754
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 1: generate revenues. So it's it's definitely gonna be a fine

1755
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: line to walk. And obviously ownership and the PA are

1756
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to be on the same page. Otherwise we're gonna,

1757
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, have plenty more debates and and maybe little

1758
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: little fights brewing here and there and everywhere. Would it

1759
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 1: be a blatant nod to him? Money is the is

1760
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: the is the determining factors to you know, whether if

1761
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: it's the if it's the Giants and the Cowboys, and

1762
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: the and the Eagles and the Redskins, all the big

1763
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: or you know, the big time higher like the Rams

1764
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 1: and the big markets. If those teams can get back

1765
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: into their building and they can start driving revenue, particularly

1766
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 1: revenue that he's shared, do you think other teams will

1767
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: be like because the owners, I mean ultimately it's about

1768
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: money anyway. Do you think they can look the other

1769
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: way from the wind lost column? Or do you think

1770
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 1: I guess the question is, do you think money is

1771
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: that big a significant difference and a big a factor

1772
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: that they might just look the other way and let

1773
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 1: some teams open up and other's not. I think I

1774
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: think you always follow the money, right, I just right,

1775
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: there's so much at stake here, And if you're saying,

1776
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 1: you know, I think there was one report, and again

1777
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: who knows the accuracy of some of the numbers, um,

1778
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to just sort of let that,

1779
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 1: you know. I think you have to let it play

1780
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: out and then open everything up. And as we know,

1781
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: owners don't often like to open their books. But I

1782
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: saw one of the where's five point five billion if

1783
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: there were no fans or limited fans. So let's say

1784
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: you can get half the teams can get half their

1785
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 1: fans in, you know, forty thousand instead of eighty, or

1786
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand instead of seventy, and all of a sudden,

1787
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: five point five billion becomes three point eight billion or

1788
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: three point five billion, or whatever the number is. Then

1789
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: I think that's something that they'll that the other owners

1790
01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: will have to consider. You know, Oh, you mean, I'm

1791
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: going to take less of a bath if if you

1792
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: can get fans in in your place and I can't,

1793
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,799
Speaker 1: in mind, well, then you know, maybe for this one season.

1794
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: That's something that you have to consider because clearly this

1795
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 1: is something that we've never seen before. And hopefully we

1796
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to go through it again

1797
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: next year. But this is a unique year or a

1798
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 1: unique situation, and I think there's going to be a

1799
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: lot of different things on the table as they try

1800
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 1: to figure out how best to let the season play

1801
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 1: out and how best to monetize, you know, whatever they

1802
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: can with regards to this season. One thing is going

1803
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 1: to look at a lot different, Mike, when we do

1804
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: have football is the landscape of the AFC East. I

1805
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: know you've been asked in a couple of recent appearances

1806
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: on NFL Network about the quarterbacks in our division in

1807
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:17,080
Speaker 1: particular terms of who has the most pressure, the best

1808
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: surrounding cast, best system to succeed. Where do you kind

1809
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,560
Speaker 1: of come down in terms of who might be positioned

1810
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: best to be successful in the twenty twenty season of

1811
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: the four quarterbacks or maybe we make them five with

1812
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,680
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick N two of being a combo deal, Well,

1813
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if you're if you're just asking

1814
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: me who the best quarterback in the division is right

1815
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 1: now today, it's Ryan Fitzpatrick. Now, oh, you say, are

1816
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 1: you wait? You know, we had top top three pick

1817
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 1: in Sam Darnell, in a top ten pick in Josh Allen,

1818
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 1: and two is the top five picks. Well right now,

1819
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: probably the guy with the most experience and the best

1820
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 1: success this sits Patrick. But if you're telling me at

1821
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: the end of the year the Fitzpatrick is a guy,

1822
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: then I would tell you that the Bill season didn't

1823
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 1: go as planned, and the Jet season didn't go as planned,

1824
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: and the Patriots season didn't go as planned, and maybe

1825
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 1: the Dolphins season didn't go as planned, because you know,

1826
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,640
Speaker 1: if TWA can play, then I think they want you know,

1827
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 1: if two, if two was able to play, I think

1828
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to play to it. So um, I

1829
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: think it's really it's really interesting and unique as you

1830
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: go into the year. But I would say, by and large,

1831
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: the guy who's in the best position possible is Josh Allen.

1832
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 1: That that team, that culture that that Brandon Bean and

1833
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott have built, They've laid the foundation, they've acquired

1834
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,679
Speaker 1: the pieces. You know, Stephan Diggs might be that last ship,

1835
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, to help push them over the top. And

1836
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,759
Speaker 1: be um, you know, I don't know, if an elite offense,

1837
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 1: but you know, a high level offense consistently week to week.

1838
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: It's all in place for him. So to me, and

1839
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: I've said it before, I thank Josh. This is a

1840
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: huge year for Josh because I liked his improvement a lot.

1841
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: From year one to year two. You go from fifty

1842
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: nine fifty two to fifty nine percent completion percent. But

1843
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: to me, that number has got to come up around

1844
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: sixty five sixty six. That's the league we're in now,

1845
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 1: you know, with his athleticism, if he can do that

1846
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 1: and still continue to make plays with his feet, then

1847
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: you know, I think the Bills are in the best

1848
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: position to, you know, finally knock off the Patriots of

1849
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: the top dog in the AFC East. Yeah, and that's

1850
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that Bills fans are a little

1851
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable with is for the first time in some

1852
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: lifetimes that the Bills are picked above the Patriots to

1853
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 1: win the division. And I was going to ask you

1854
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: what you think about the Patriots, Jared Stidham, What do

1855
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots see that maybe everybody else is questioning so

1856
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: so they they like him and they you know, I

1857
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 1: obviously when you draft a quarterback, and even though he's

1858
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 1: picked in the fourth round and then he becomes the

1859
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 1: backup and they they jettison Brian Hoy or at least

1860
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: last year. Obviously, they bring Hoyer back this year to

1861
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: help compete for the job for Stidham to shoot here.

1862
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 1: But the intelligence, the way he processed all the information,

1863
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: his leadership qualities, he's a smart kid. There's all different

1864
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: things that come into play that they've talked about, and

1865
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 1: they've been talking about since September, since August even um.

1866
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 1: But then as I've talked to the people that you know,

1867
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I trust in the building, the ones that matter the most,

1868
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: and they say, Mike, it doesn't matter what we say

1869
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 1: until he goes and does it. Then then they're just words,

1870
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: right until he delivers on third and six on the

1871
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 1: road in Buffalo, down six or down three and takes

1872
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 1: some seventy five yards down the field in two minutes

1873
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: with one time out and they and they win the

1874
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: game in Buffalo, or they do it in Miami or whatever,

1875
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 1: and none of this matters, and you have to do

1876
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,520
Speaker 1: it consistently. So is the he is the great unknown

1877
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: going into the season, and it's you know, look, the

1878
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: Patriots have had certainty at that position for actually longer

1879
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 1: than twenty years, because you go and it wasn't just Brady,

1880
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 1: it was Bledsoe before, so they had their franchise quarterback

1881
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: for a handful of years before he got hurt and

1882
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 1: then and then Brady took over. And obviously for the

1883
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: last two decades, Brady has been the guy. So it's

1884
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 1: they're in a position that they haven't been in a

1885
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 1: long time. But I think there are plenty of people

1886
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: in that building who sort of like the way they're

1887
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 1: being portrayed right now, and they're sort of seizing on, Oh,

1888
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: they don't think we're any good or they think we

1889
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: were just all about Tom. You know, it's funny we

1890
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 1: we want how many Super Bowls? I guess none of

1891
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 1: the guys that were on that team are any good

1892
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: because it was just Tom. So that's that's gonna be

1893
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: a that's gonna be a roulling cry from within the

1894
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 1: building all year long. And I'm you know, as I've

1895
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: said a number of times on TV now and radio

1896
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, like I would never I've been around it

1897
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 1: for too many years that even though this year is

1898
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: clearly different without Tom, I would never write them off

1899
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: because I just think there are too many smart people

1900
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: in that building and they will Taylor the offense force

1901
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 1: did him or for Hoyer or for whoever it may be,

1902
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,599
Speaker 1: you know, because there's obviously the Cam Newton thing. Until

1903
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: Cam finds a team, you know, a team like the

1904
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: Patriots might be connected to him. So I'm really uh,

1905
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm really anxious to see how that looks and how

1906
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: they coach it up this year, especially again in a

1907
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, this tough here to make a transition for

1908
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you know, especially for a young one, when

1909
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: when you're not when you're not on the field like

1910
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,040
Speaker 1: you normally would be. We're Live on the Line with

1911
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Mike Giardi, NFL Network reporter contributor NFL Total Access. Mike,

1912
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 1: I want to ask you also about the rest of

1913
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 1: the division. You talked about two and if if Ryan

1914
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick plays sixteen games, it didn't go well for the

1915
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. Uh, and two may not be the guy.

1916
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: How what's the what's the best blueprint for the Miami Dolphins?

1917
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: And two A toga vloa and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Well, I mean,

1918
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I think for ideally for for any of these two,

1919
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, for for any team of the young quarterback,

1920
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: it's for that gotta come in and bam, he grabs

1921
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: the reins right away. Um. You know that that would

1922
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 1: be the ultimate sign of this guy's the boss and

1923
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: he's going to be our quarterback for you know, for

1924
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 1: the next decade plus. Um. But I think in their

1925
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 1: situation there isn't necessarily the need to rush. You know,

1926
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: they they sold Stephen Ross on the idea that they

1927
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: were going to build this thing, and year one under

1928
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: Flora's you know, they're a pretty dangerous team in the

1929
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: second half the season. The Patriots can certainly attested that

1930
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: losing the finale at home when they needed the game

1931
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: to get to buy and obviously if we know what

1932
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: happened the following week when they lose to Tennessee. So

1933
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 1: they're building in the proper way. I think, you know,

1934
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: we've seen Fitzpatrick go up and down. You know, he

1935
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: has one good year and then he sort of backslides,

1936
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 1: And I could see a scenario in which we're there

1937
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: again with him, where you know, maybe he gets the

1938
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 1: starting nod and it's five or six weeks in and

1939
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 1: they're two and four or one in five and it's Okay,

1940
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, we we gave two a little bit of

1941
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: extra time to learn the offense. We gave two a

1942
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 1: little bit of extra time to feel comfortable with his

1943
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: teammates and feel comfortable with the environment here, and now

1944
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: it's time, you know, unleash him and see, you know,

1945
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: what he's capable of. And um, that's a you know,

1946
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: that's a fascinating situation there too, because they also have

1947
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, who just a couple of years ago was

1948
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: a top ten pick and it's still someone who around

1949
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: the league, there are people that still believe Josh Rosen

1950
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: can be a starting quarterback in this league. So, um,

1951
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're definitely well armed. I liked the

1952
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: notion of teams being in the quarterback market at all

1953
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: times and being in the in the quarterback development market

1954
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: at all times and trying to be that team. You know,

1955
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: just go back to the bootprint for many years ago,

1956
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 1: Ron Wolf and Green Bay. You know, whether it was

1957
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: trading for Far drafting Brunel, drafting that Hassleback, turning both

1958
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: Burnell and Hassleback into into high draft picks. I think

1959
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: it's like he got a first for Hassleback I think

1960
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: that's Patriots. You know, they draft Garoppolo with the idea

1961
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: that he was gonna be Brady's replacement. Brady outlives it.

1962
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 1: You know, they probably could have gotten more for him,

1963
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 1: but they still flipped them for a second. So it's

1964
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it makes a lot of

1965
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: smart business sense to have multiple guys at that position

1966
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 1: at all times as you looked at build that position up. Mike,

1967
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't think I need to tell you how Stefon

1968
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 1: Diggs has kind of dominated the headlines for the Bills

1969
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:10,680
Speaker 1: this offseason just overall, but then also with respect to

1970
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: the teams passing game. But I know you had an

1971
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to speak with Dawson Knox, you know, who had

1972
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: a promising rookie campaign and probably had more on his

1973
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 1: plate than even he anticipated last year. Handled some of

1974
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 1: it well, kind of dealt with it as it came

1975
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: to him, with some of the other stuff. But I

1976
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: think there are big expectations for him that are kind

1977
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 1: of flying under the radar this year. What did you

1978
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,560
Speaker 1: kind of glean from your time with him? Yeah, I

1979
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: would totally agree, and I think that you know, he

1980
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: has first of all, he has I think a terrific

1981
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 1: relationship with Josh and obviously that's important, you know, to

1982
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 1: have that sort of not only on field, but off

1983
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: field chemistry with the quarterback. And then when you add

1984
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 1: someone like Diggs who's going to attract coverage, coverage is

1985
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: going to lean his way. He might see, you know,

1986
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 1: the doubles this shape to go over the top, and

1987
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: what is that gonna do. That's going to open the

1988
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: sealed up for someone like Dawson in the middle of

1989
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 1: the field. And I just's he's such a such a

1990
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 1: talented athlete, and you mentioned it, there were he had

1991
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: some really good moments last year and now you know,

1992
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Kenny take that next step. But I think with what

1993
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: they have in place with John Brown on the outside

1994
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: as well with Cole Beasley working the slot, you're probably

1995
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: looking at that team and saying, he's the third or

1996
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 1: fourth guy you gotta pay attention to. He's gonna get

1997
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: singled or he's gonna get lined up on a on

1998
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 1: a linebacker. And I think, you know, his athleticism and

1999
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: should allow him to to win those battles. And John

2000
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: Brown predict predicted he was gonna have a breakout year,

2001
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: and I think it's a John Brown has got a

2002
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good pick in my estimation. How do

2003
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 1: you rate this Bill's wide receiver corps? And with it

2004
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: including Dawson Nars. You've got Stefan Diggs, You've got John Brown,

2005
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 1: You've got Cole Beasley, and throw Dawson Knox into the

2006
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 1: mix along with the running backs Devin Singletary and perhaps

2007
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Zach Moss the draft pick. With all that they rookies,

2008
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: I will just put them into an unknown category. The

2009
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: guys that you know are going to line up for

2010
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Where do they rate as far as

2011
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: the division and perhaps even the conference? Yeah, I would

2012
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: say there's the best in the division. I don't even

2013
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 1: think there's that. I don't even hesitate. And when you

2014
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: ask me that, I mean, I think it's pretty clear

2015
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 1: and I think I think they're the best in the

2016
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: division with some space between between the number two team

2017
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 1: on that on that list. So and when you come

2018
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: to the conference, obviously, look you're gonna look at the

2019
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:28,760
Speaker 1: Chiefs and nobody can quite match the firepower that they

2020
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 1: bring to the table. But then I think there are

2021
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, three or four teams that are in that

2022
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: next tier and I would put Buffalo in that tier

2023
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 1: if if you can get digs to be consistently productive

2024
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: and consistently engaged. You know, I love Beasley in the slot.

2025
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 1: I think you know, he's always been a terrific player.

2026
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: You sort of missus the last couple of seasons in Dallas,

2027
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 1: But then I think you saw last year that he's

2028
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 1: still very much capable of of breaking angles from the slot,

2029
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 1: and Brown now is as not the focal point but

2030
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 1: sort of an ancillary piece. I think again makes a

2031
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: huge difference because he's going to see a lot of

2032
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 1: single coverage and you know, well you saw in New

2033
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: England in December him turn around. Stefan Gilmore is the

2034
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year on a beautiful touchdown path

2035
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 1: deep fall from from Alan. I mean, you're going to

2036
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: see a lot more single coverage, and you're not going

2037
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 1: to be going against the Stefan Gilmore's of the world.

2038
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna go against the number two and number three corners.

2039
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 1: Just with respect Mike to the Patriots receiving corps. I

2040
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: know everybody's wondering, as did him going to be able

2041
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 1: to carry this offense? Is he going to have enough

2042
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,560
Speaker 1: support around him from the receiving department. I mean, I

2043
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of people feeling kill Harry is still

2044
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:45,839
Speaker 1: largely unproven. I know Sinu was dealing with ankle problems

2045
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: last year or injury issues that kind of compromised his effectiveness.

2046
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 1: But where where does the Patriots receiving corps go here?

2047
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 1: Because it seems like they're almost back to square one

2048
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 1: in terms of a jumping off point. Yeah, they're clearly

2049
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 1: going to try to milk one more great year out

2050
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 1: of Julian Edelman. You know, he's thirty four now, and

2051
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's usually it's actually usually the slot receivers

2052
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 1: are usually on the down side at this point. But

2053
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: he's coming off you know, arguably his best year. It just,

2054
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, again, he was physically, he was pretty beat

2055
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: up at the end of the year and you saw,

2056
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, major difference in his final three or four games,

2057
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: just not the same player, dealing with the knee, dealing

2058
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: with the shoulder, dealing with a rib. But he's he's

2059
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:35,400
Speaker 1: been surgically repaired and has been training as normal this offseason.

2060
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: So that's that's good news. They definitely feel like some

2061
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:42,679
Speaker 1: new fits here, and you know, obviously the high ankle

2062
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: sprain was unfortunate, but he had to have surgery on

2063
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: that that high ankle. It's I think it's been out

2064
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: two months since the surgery, so I know he just

2065
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: got the boot off a couple of weeks ago and

2066
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: has been doing things, but you know, what's the time

2067
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 1: table there with him? And really, to me, it comes

2068
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,600
Speaker 1: down to the keel. And last year was a disappointment,

2069
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: first because he was hurt and he missed, you know,

2070
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 1: the first half of the season, and then he and

2071
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 1: Brady just could not get on the same page. And

2072
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for most young receivers to get on

2073
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 1: the same page with Tom, but they needed him last

2074
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 1: year and it just there are a lot of different

2075
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 1: reasons why it didn't happen. I think one of them

2076
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 1: is being addressed by nikey of this offseason. You know,

2077
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 1: I just talked to his trainer, and the feeling is

2078
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:31,600
Speaker 1: he's so big and so strong, but maybe sometimes that

2079
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 1: leads him to play a little bit slower. And they're

2080
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 1: trying for a little bit more functional strength as opposed

2081
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:38,800
Speaker 1: to weight room strength, and they're trying to get him

2082
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: to sort of loosen up on his release a little

2083
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:43,680
Speaker 1: bit because they felt like that's a point both on

2084
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 1: the release and then at the top of the route

2085
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: that he would get so low that it would slow

2086
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: him down and then he's not getting the separation. And

2087
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 1: the numbers actually backed it up. He was amongst the

2088
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 1: Patriots receivers, he was number one in terms of lack

2089
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 1: of separation. So that is a huge project that he

2090
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: is working on this offseason and that is going to

2091
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 1: be something that they need to carry over into the season.

2092
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: You know, that the ability to create a little bit

2093
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 1: more separation because I will say this, he and Stidham,

2094
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 1: and granted it was against twos and threes and guys

2095
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 1: that aren't in the league, but he Insteadham had a

2096
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: good connection in the summer last year, in the spring

2097
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 1: of the summer, and I think they're hoping that, you know,

2098
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: Stidham wins the job, that that chemistry is still in

2099
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: place and continues this year and continues to grow. Mike,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on. We really appreciate it. Have a

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Speaker 1: great day, you two guys. Mike's Gilardi, NFL Network reporter,

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Speaker 1: contributed NFL Total Access Game Day morning and the NFL

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Speaker 1: Up to the Minute had him on us talked about

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Speaker 1: the AFC East, the paid for, it's a lot about

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Speaker 1: the Bills. Seems to be as high on the Bills

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Speaker 1: as everybody else, Brownie, any wrap up thoughts about that

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Speaker 1: and what Mike Gi already had to say. I think

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Speaker 1: Dawson Knox is a forgotten element of passing game going

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Speaker 1: into this season. And you understand why Stefand has become

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Speaker 1: such a polarizing figure because he's the quintessential number one

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Speaker 1: receiving target that a lot of teams look to have

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Speaker 1: on their roster, and everybody anticipates, including me, that he

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Speaker 1: will be that for Buffalo. But I think the trickle

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Speaker 1: down effect of Dig's presence is going to be of

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Speaker 1: great benefit not only did John brown And to Cole Beasley,

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Speaker 1: but to a young up and coming tight end like

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Speaker 1: Dawson Knox. And I think it's largely gone under the

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Speaker 1: radar here this offseason. So it was interesting to kind

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Speaker 1: of get his take from his take on Dawson Knox

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Speaker 1: after having a chance to sit down with him, talk

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Speaker 1: to him and kind of feel him out. And he

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Speaker 1: unquestionably is tight with Josh and I think that translates

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Speaker 1: onto the field. I mean, he trusted Josh trusted Dawson

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Speaker 1: Knox a lot last year as a rookie, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's only going to be enhanced going into this season.

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Speaker 1: Who's the worst cheater in sports? We've given you some

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Speaker 1: choices you can call in or tweet at us. Forty

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Speaker 1: two percent of you think it's the Patriots and their Spygate,

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Speaker 1: thirty one percent of you think it's Lance Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: the thirty for thirty that was on this last weekend.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five percent of you think it was Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball during the Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire berry Bonds era,

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Speaker 1: and only two percent of you think it was the

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Speaker 1: National Football League between the nineteen eighties and the two thousands.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more we can discuss this and

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Speaker 1: a lot more of This is One Bills Live presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalidah Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live, Steak Tasker along with Chris Brown Brownie.

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Speaker 1: It's a great day outside, but it's been a pretty

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Speaker 1: good show as well. We're getting a ton of reaction

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Speaker 1: to our Twitter poll today Who's the biggest cheater in sports?

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Speaker 1: And we got to reset at forty two percent say

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Speaker 1: it's the Patriots with their Spygate. Thirty one sent say

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Speaker 1: it's Lance Armstrong and twenty five percent say it's Sosa McGuire,

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. Major League Baseball era, back in that day

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Speaker 1: when those guys were hitting home runs, and um, we've

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Speaker 1: got a new tweet. We got somebody, we got another

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet. We've got to start with who's the biggest

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Speaker 1: cheater in sports? From Matt, he says, I think you

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Speaker 1: need to consider Russia with their doping scandal. They were

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Speaker 1: completely banned from the Olympics in a huge, sweeping scandal

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Speaker 1: led by their government. I had forgotten about all that.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty recent too, I mean was just in

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Speaker 1: the last four or five years. And it was team wide.

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Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't just like, well, you know, the

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Speaker 1: weightlifting team blah blah blah. It's kind of makes the gymness.

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Speaker 1: It was there everybody. It kind of makes me recall

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Speaker 1: the I don't know if you remember this, the SNL

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Speaker 1: skit where they had the steroid Olympics and oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: they did a whole spoof on it. It was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got the weightlifter and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: his armfuls office. It was ridiculous. They had like a

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Speaker 1: two second hundred meter dash or something, and it was

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Speaker 1: just it was a good spoof on the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of the first thing I thought when

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Speaker 1: I was reading that thing from Matt, this one from Jeff.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't like any of our choices, he says, none

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Speaker 1: of the above. These are all extra edge forms of

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Speaker 1: cheating where others were cheating at the same time and

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Speaker 1: some got caught worse than others. Still bad, but he

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Speaker 1: thinks match fixing, point shaving, those things are worse, he said,

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, he's picking the nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: Black Socks. There were a lot of point shaving scandals

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Speaker 1: in college basketball over the years. Whether it's the nineteen

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Speaker 1: I hope, I might not have the year right, but

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Speaker 1: it's the nineteen fifty three CCNY team that was accused

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Speaker 1: of point shaving. You had that whole Boston College point

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Speaker 1: shaving scandal that was involved with Mafia figures. It's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of that over the years. And then there

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Speaker 1: was a huge match fixing scandal over in Europe with

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Speaker 1: soccer games that was just horrendous. They had the officials

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Speaker 1: in their pocket. Uh, they had players in their pocket.

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Speaker 1: It was it was bad. Yeah. And that's really the

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Speaker 1: one that the kind of uh insidious you know thing

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Speaker 1: that's always surrounds all of sports, and that's the gambling.

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Speaker 1: And when that starts to creep in, then you've then

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Speaker 1: you've got issues, which is why up until you know,

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Speaker 1: this last decade, the NFL has kept at full arm's length. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Only now in recent years has started to ease those tensions.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know, now you got a team in

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Speaker 1: Vegas and the league was taking advertising dollars from draft

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Speaker 1: Kings and and uh and and and other fantasy sits.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's but that's the one thing that that

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Speaker 1: gets people kind of like, oh, I see, you know

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Speaker 1: the guys were taking money. Also, this one, this is

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Speaker 1: down that line. This from the Who the Biggest Cheater

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Speaker 1: in Sports? Is our trivia quiz from David. He says

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Speaker 1: one Pete Rose arguably the best hitter in Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 1: band for life for cheating. Two Soviet Union World cheater

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Speaker 1: wins Olympic doping, then goes second Tier E. Then the

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Speaker 1: second goes to Tier E or three. East Germany. He's

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Speaker 1: saying East East Germany turns women into turns women into men.

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Speaker 1: Three Ruise, I remember listening for those of you know,

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Speaker 1: you had to remind me I didn't know who she was.

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Speaker 1: Rosie Ruise starts the New York City Marathon, takes a subway,

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Speaker 1: rejoins the race, and then has declared the winner. Remember

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Speaker 1: remember that, I remember it. It was ridiculous. Very quickly,

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Speaker 1: there was widespread suspicion because Rosie Ruise, at least on

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Speaker 1: the running circuit, wasn't known from a hole in the head.

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Speaker 1: So that raised suspicion first of all, because she came

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Speaker 1: out of absolutely nowhere, and then in the race, she

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Speaker 1: actually came out of absolutely nowhere. She came out of

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Speaker 1: the crowd to rejoin the race and basically ran I

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Speaker 1: think it was the last mile and a half and

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Speaker 1: her time was all off. And this was before they

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Speaker 1: had those chip readers on your bibs, you know. Nowadays,

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Speaker 1: a chip you can't do that these days. That has

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Speaker 1: you crossing certain mile checkpoints, you know, so they can

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Speaker 1: keep track of where the heck you are. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: kudos to her for planning it, but my god, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you really need to win the New York City

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Speaker 1: Marathon that bad? Do you need that attention? I don't know. Well,

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Speaker 1: there is a catch prize, I think, but not for nothing.

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Speaker 1: But all right, this one from Bill, he said, I said,

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Speaker 1: Lance Lance Armstrong, because he tried to actually ruin people's

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Speaker 1: lives that challenged him and his lies. That's the coldest,

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Speaker 1: cold bloodedest, that's the cold blooded. Yeah. I mean I

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Speaker 1: ran down some of the lists Steve already, I know

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Speaker 1: of some of the things that he did. But to

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Speaker 1: squash a lot of the cases that were levied against him,

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Speaker 1: he put together, like I said, lobbying efforts against chief investigators.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that you're getting a lobbying firm to

2233
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Speaker 1: dig up dirt on the chief investigator in your case?

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Speaker 1: Refused to go to arbitration against the USADA because it

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Speaker 1: would keep all of his findings confidential. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: intimidated witnesses like former teammates that were going to testify

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Speaker 1: against him. He would call them and try to strong

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Speaker 1: arm them into not testifying. He submitted his own false

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Speaker 1: haff at David's and then even after he was banned

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Speaker 1: for life, he tried to get the band reduced to

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Speaker 1: one year in if he cooperated to help them with

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Speaker 1: other cases. So it's almost like he's like, Wow, these

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Speaker 1: guys turned me, and how about I help you turn

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Speaker 1: them in and you reduce my lifetime band to a year.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's double dog dirty, isn't it. Yeah? And

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Speaker 1: it speaks to the you know, speaks to the kind

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Speaker 1: of competitor he was, no question, but man oh man,

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Speaker 1: and I think, and I said this earlier in the show,

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Speaker 1: once you go down that path, unless I'm sure willing

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Speaker 1: to come clean, that's what you gotta do, right, Brownie.

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Speaker 1: It gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and it becomes

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Speaker 1: more outrageous and more outrageous to the point where it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened to Lance Armstrong went. He went

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Speaker 1: further than maybe anybody's ever gone to try to keep

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Speaker 1: the lie alive. You want to talk about, trying to

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Speaker 1: prop it up for as long as he could. Holy crow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just he went to the nth degree

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Speaker 1: and then some I mean, really, I that's that's some

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02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:36,840
Speaker 1: twisted kind of dedication, Steve. I gotta say. And this

2260
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Speaker 1: is another tweet on our tweet sheet from who the Biggest,

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Speaker 1: Who's the Biggest cheater in sports. This from Mike and

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Speaker 1: is from a Bill's fan. No doubt, what separated the

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Speaker 1: Patriots from the field in this poll is that they

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Speaker 1: may be the only ones cheating in that manner. The

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Speaker 1: others could all argue that they were just doing what

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Speaker 1: everybody else was. The Patriots can't make that claim. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is an interesting angle that I had not really

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02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: contemplated right now. Could could it be possible that other

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Speaker 1: teams are trying to do similar things? I suppose, and

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Speaker 1: maybe they're just not getting caught or not even being

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Speaker 1: called into question. I suppose that could be true. But

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Speaker 1: this is an interesting point. They're kind of groundbreaking in

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Speaker 1: their cheating, and that makes it worse. I guess, I

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02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know, what do you do? You think that makes

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Speaker 1: them worse as cheaters if they're groundbreaking and in certain

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Speaker 1: areas of cheating, yeah, I figuring out wighs to cheat, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that kind of makes it worse. Now, Armstrong was vicious

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02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 1: in his defense of his cheating program right then in

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Speaker 1: the way he was doing it. He was vicious in

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02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: covering up what he had done. These guys you're talking

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Speaker 1: about like creating a way to do it and he's

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02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 1: twenty years ago at the very top level that they

2283
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 1: were accused of videoing the rams walk through. Um, remember

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Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf yea before the super Bowl,

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02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 1: right before the super Bowl, like like a day or

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02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:12,960
Speaker 1: two before the Super Bowl. So that all of that,

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02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 1: uh does put it in a different realm if indeed

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02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 1: all of this is true. But and that you know, yeah,

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02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 1: it does make a difference. And if you're gonna make

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02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:27,440
Speaker 1: that the differentiating factor of your judgment, I can see it.

2291
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:29,200
Speaker 1: There's a there's a claim to be made for that

2292
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 1: from Mike Um last one from Jose greatest cheaters in

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02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 1: Sports and from Jo Jose says natural response for a

2294
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:41,600
Speaker 1: Bills fan would be the Patriots. But for being honest

2295
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:45,240
Speaker 1: with ourselves, the steroid era in baseball is the biggest

2296
02:04:45,320 --> 02:04:49,720
Speaker 1: cheating scandal. I, for one, once it became obvious McGuire, Socie, etc.

2297
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:53,400
Speaker 1: All at all, we're cheating. I stopped being a fan

2298
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:56,600
Speaker 1: and I still am not. Well, that's a guy that's

2299
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Speaker 1: whose life was changed by this cheating, and that's that

2300
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:01,600
Speaker 1: for him. And there's no doubt that that was a

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02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:03,440
Speaker 1: big difference maker. And I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: people maybe Lance Armstrong among them, or people fans of

2303
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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong before he was discredited would say he changed

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Speaker 1: their life. Is that the thing, Brownie? Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like you were the one cheated? If you think it's

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Speaker 1: a bigger schae well, I just think that we have to.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, ESPN has a thirty for thirty

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Speaker 1: coming out on this too, the ninety eight season with

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Speaker 1: McGuire and Sosa, the whole home run chase. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be putting one of those out. I think McGuire hasn't

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Speaker 1: said he was cheating, right. I can't remember where he

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Speaker 1: came down on it. I do remember him being in

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Speaker 1: front of a congressional panel and denying, denying, denying. I

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Speaker 1: remember that. But it's crazy to me. But you have

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Speaker 1: to remember where baseball was at the time. They had

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Speaker 1: the strike in ninety four, and fans the following couple

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Speaker 1: of years really did not come back in the droves

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Speaker 1: that they anticipated. And so when this home run chase

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Speaker 1: happened in ninety eight, it captured the nation, you know,

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Speaker 1: because it was you know, these guys, these two guys

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Speaker 1: chasing Roger Marris, and it reinvigorated the sport in the

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Speaker 1: eyes of the fan and made it popular again, and

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Speaker 1: they did come back in droves, and it was probably

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Speaker 1: one of the first major examples where the league as

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Speaker 1: a as an entity turned a blind eye to what

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Speaker 1: was obviously happening because Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire looked

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Speaker 1: like linebackers and defensive ends and they're just crushing the

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Speaker 1: baseball at a rate that defied normal logic. And you

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Speaker 1: even had people like Kevin Elster, who was a no

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Speaker 1: nothing shortstop who played for the Mets and Rangers, hitting

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Speaker 1: twenty home runs when he was probably a two forty

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Speaker 1: lifetime hitter and and didn't have any pop in his bat?

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Speaker 1: What's he's hitting twenty home runs? What right? So it's

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Speaker 1: just but people just, ah, this is great. I love

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Speaker 1: home runs. So who doesn't love home runs? This is

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Speaker 1: all right, let's start right. And that's the big question

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Speaker 1: when you talk about all these other entities, particularly with

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong, how the cycling world was, you know, neck

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Speaker 1: deep in it, and also turned a blind eye to

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Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong because they were trying to recover from one

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Speaker 1: scandal that had happened just a year or two before

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Speaker 1: for the exact same thing. So when the sport becomes

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Speaker 1: complicit in your cheating? Is it cheating? I mean, right,

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Speaker 1: if the governing body doesn't do anything, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it makes them any less of a cheater.

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Speaker 1: I think it just makes what they're responsible for even worse.

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Speaker 1: Their ethics are even worse than the cheaters. But it

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Speaker 1: still doesn't It doesn't make a cheater a non cheater.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're gonna take a break. One Bills Live

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health. We'll be back with what do

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Speaker 1: we Learn on Buffalo Bills Radio. What do we Learn?

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental

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Speaker 1: company of the Buffalo Bills. Today we had Mike Girardi

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Speaker 1: of the Network in the NFL Network on. He talked

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Speaker 1: about Josh Allen being in the best position of any

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Speaker 1: quarterback in the afcast. Here's what Mike Girardi said about Josh,

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Speaker 1: by and large, the guy who's in the best position

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Speaker 1: possible is Josh Allen. That that team, that culture that

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Speaker 1: that Brandon Bean and Sean McDermot have built, They've laid

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Speaker 1: the foundation, they've acquired the pieces. You know, Stefan Diggs

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Speaker 1: might be that last chip you know, to help push

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Speaker 1: them over the top and be um. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if an elite offense, but you know, a

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Speaker 1: high level offense consistently weak to week. It's all in

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Speaker 1: place for him. So to me, and I've said it before,

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Speaker 1: this is a huge year for Josh. What do you

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Speaker 1: think that was? Mike Giardi brought to you by Skyworks, Bronnie,

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Speaker 1: what do you think I mean? Is anybody going to

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Speaker 1: pump the brakes on the Buffalo Bills this offseason until

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Speaker 1: we actually see some football played? Well? I think it

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Speaker 1: just to a lot of people. Their roster makes logical sense.

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Speaker 1: It's the deepest from top to bottom, both sides of

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Speaker 1: the ball, even on special teams, they improved, and with

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Speaker 1: where they are in their development as a team, in

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Speaker 1: terms of continuity, with the coaches both coordinators being in

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Speaker 1: their third year with the franchise, I just think there

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Speaker 1: are too many pieces in place for logic to tell

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Speaker 1: you otherwise. And while I still believe that the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are going to be a tough out, I think that

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of people believe that with continuity, culture,

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Speaker 1: and roster depth, that the Bills are going to be

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Speaker 1: the team that weathers, the storm of what is a

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Speaker 1: very difficult schedule for all the AFC teams from start

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Speaker 1: to finish. Have we seen enough for this coaching staff

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Speaker 1: to know that they're gonna get maximum out of this

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Speaker 1: roster no matter who's on it. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think there's enough hard evidence there and they are

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Speaker 1: quite frankly too many unknowns for all of the other teams.

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Speaker 1: Is the Jets offensive lying going to come together with

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Speaker 1: virtually no on field practice throughout the off season. Is

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Speaker 1: the Miami offense gonna be able to take the chan

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Speaker 1: Gaily system sooner rather than later with no on field practice.

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Speaker 1: Is Jared stid I'm going to be able to play

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Speaker 1: quarterback effectively? And as their wide receiving corp are gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to come together behind Julian Edelman. There's so

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Speaker 1: many other question marks for those teams. There's no other

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Speaker 1: way to pin it but on the Bills. That's for us.

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Speaker 1: From One Bill's Live. Thanks Brownie Good, Hey, Brownie good,

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Speaker 1: first day, Nice job. Yeah, we'll see you tomorrow. We'll

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Speaker 1: do it again. I'm gonna be back tomorrow noon to three.

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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive and

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Speaker 1: our homes. Thanks Jay Harris, We'll see you tomorrow. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. This has been Buffalo Bills Radio