1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Hi everybody, it's Bruce. Thanks for joining us for another 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: episode of Table for Two. Today we're back at one 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: of my favorite places, the Tower Bar, for another amazing lunch. 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: I mean I usually do the chop with chicken. Yeah, 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: that's my I'll see. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: I'm going to do the exact same things. It's one 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: of my favorite things. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: This time around, we're speaking with someone who has helped 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: changed the landscape of television as the co CEO of Netflix, 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: but today we're going to be focusing in on something 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: very important to him. 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: Family. 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: Our guest recently wrote a touching forward to the paperback 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: version of his wife, Nicole Levant's book, Think You'll Be Happy. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: Oh actually I can take smigula. Normally it takes sparkling. 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: But you know you're not going to say you. 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: Take sparkling please. 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: That's right. 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: We're having lunch with Ted Surrandos. 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about. 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: His in laws, his own parents, and how his childhood 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: help shape who he is today. So sit back, grab 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: a glass of rose, and I hope you enjoy our conversation. 24 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: I'm rus Bozzie and this is my podcast Table for two. 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: So if you've pulled up a chair today, it's your 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: lucky day. We're having lunch with You've changed what TV is, 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: how we watch TV. You are a man of such. 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: Integrity and warmth, and. 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: I've had such the pleasure of getting to know you 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: and your wife Nicole. 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: We are having lunch today with Ted Sorrandos. 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for joining me. 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: And you know we're and today is an interesting conversation 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: that we're going to have because Nicole, your wife, Nicole 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: was on the show and she wrote her memoir I 37 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: think You'll be happy moving through grief with great grace 38 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: and gratitude. 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: And the second edition has just been dropped. 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, and you wrote the prologue to it, 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: and I did. 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: I've never done that before. 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell me and I want to talk about 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: your phrase I will meet you there. 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: I think it's so beautiful. But Rick, how did that 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: come about? 47 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: To ask me to write the foot the road for 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: the for the book was so important for her because 49 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: and for both of us really, because it's how you 50 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: process grief, for how you process events in your life 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 3: is really up to you. Like you realize pretty quick 52 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 3: that you don't have much control over these things. That happened. 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: We did not anticipate, you know, months before the you know, 54 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: the terrible murder of Nicholl's mother or the you know, 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: the timely passing of my father, that either one of 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: those things will be true, that we were planning his 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: eightieth birthday and we you know, just have Thanksgiving. 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: It's just it's a yeah, I mean, it's a contextualized 59 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: to a listener. Within a week, Ted you lost your 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: father who was about to be eighty, and a home 61 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: break in Jacqueline and she was murdered, and like that's 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: like life changes like. 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: This, just like that. And again neither neither we could 64 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: have been planned on or thought about or such a 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: terrible turn of events. And I think the thing that 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: you know Nicole as well, But I think what about 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: the thing about her is that she really is this 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: kind of EmPATH, and she really is so thinking of 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: other people so unconsciously. I don't think she wrote the 70 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: book thinking she wrote the book for herself, but of 71 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: course it's a book that helps millions of people, Yes, 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: and it's a she knew going into it. What can 73 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: I do? How can I turn this terrible thing in 74 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: my life into something positive for other people, and that 75 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: was the moment because she had been struggling to write 76 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: a book for a long time, for a few years, 77 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: more of a biography, more was about her, And it 78 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: totally makes sense that what she needed to get over 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: is not making it about her as soon as it 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: was about somebody else. It was about her mom's that 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: it flowed out of her just came out of her. 82 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: So the process of going with her to some of 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: the bookstops and hearing seeing the emotional reaction from people 84 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: who've read the book, it's very very moving and very 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: very touching. And it was me watching her journey from 86 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: the side and reading around and shearing heron for sure. 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: And then she's reminded me one night, she said, you 88 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: know you're you're inextractable from this story. Is this was 89 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: your you know Jackie as she was a mother. I 90 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: say she was a mother, my mother in law. But 91 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: she was everything you'd hope your mother would be, you know, meaning, 92 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: super supportive, incredibly wise, every loving, everything you really want 93 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: your mom to be. My you know, Jackie got to 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: be from my mother passed away several years before, and 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 3: so she was great and not just for me, but 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 3: for my kids as a grandmother, unbelievably supportive and engaged 97 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 3: and wise, and people look up to her, including my kids, 98 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: and so universal. 99 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: When you ever her name is mentioned, it. 100 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: No, she was earned. I mean she's she did more 101 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: on this planet in a very short time. I know, 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, you die in your eighties, you figure, oh 103 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: you had a good run. But she jammed a lot 104 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: of life into that into there. And I look at 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: that that she's so inspiring in that way. So and 106 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: when Nicole said, you know, the book, the paperback was 107 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 3: coming out and it was an opportunity for the book 108 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: to reach an even wider audience, and she asked me 109 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: if I would take a run it right in the phone. 110 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: It was very very moved that she asked her. 111 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: It's really beautiful. Your words are really beautiful. 112 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: And the picture you paint of not only sort of 113 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: the trauma of that night and receiving that phone call, 114 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: but also sort of getting the family to the hospital, 115 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: and then the emergence of watching your wife take on 116 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: this moment where becoming the matriarch in this sort of, 117 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: as you said, way that her mother could never have 118 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: imagined but had prepared her that way, and then being 119 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: with Clarence as he departed the past. Where did that 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: come from from? 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: With? Well, I mean for Jackie preparing Nicole for anything, 122 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: the how beautiful it is, it included preparing her for 123 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: the very worst thing you can imagine, not intentionally, but 124 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: but maybe intentionally, you know. And I think that her 125 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: her the way that Nicole just Rice rose to the occasion. 126 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: There was no time, there's no time for anything but 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: for me to step up, right, and she instinctively knew that. 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: You know, we're in we're in the we're in the 129 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: emergency room. We're waiting for the word from the doctor. 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: So what happened? How was Jackie, which is going to 131 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: make it through this surgery after this shooting? And they 132 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: did the thing that you see on TV where they 133 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: come and ask you to go to a little room, 134 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: right and you know, so walking to the room, we knew, 135 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: you know, that was not going to be good. 136 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Yea. 137 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: And Nicole's brother Alex was there. He was distraught, and 138 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 3: her father was just overcome with griefs and it's almost 139 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: as if the entire room melted down and Nicole rose 140 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: up because she knew she had to and it was 141 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 3: just it's a beautiful thing to think back on that, 142 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: you know, such a horrific night. Yeah, to actually watch 143 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: this physical transformation of somebody, somebody you love as much 144 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: as I love to call and know that it wasn't 145 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: like she didn't that in that moment she didn't need 146 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: my help. I knew she would, I knew she would 147 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: down the road, and in that moment she did not. 148 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: It was very instinctive and very automatic for her. It 149 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: was just a reflex. 150 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: I really do love I will meet you there. We're 151 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: going to revisit that. But so, like, let's just talk 152 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: about the actual reel, Like where did. 153 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: You meet n I met Nicoll during the Obama run 154 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: for the first one. I was going to a We 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: went to a big fundraiser here in La. It was 156 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: the first one he did after he got the nomination. 157 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: And I was the last person to arrive and she 158 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: was pissed late. Yeah. So her very first words to 159 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: me were, you are late. Words I have heard many times. 160 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Wait, this was the first time you met, the first 161 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: time I laid eyes on, first time, you are late. 162 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: And she she's like she again, she's immediately she was 163 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: in charge, she was running this event. You take your 164 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: pictures and you get to your table. And I remember 165 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: just having my breath taken away a little bit when 166 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: I walked in the room at her energy and I 167 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: and her beauty of course, but also energy. And I'm 168 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: looking at her and I found myself watching her work 169 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: the room like working around. You go here, you go there. 170 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: She was very, very very much in charge of that room. 171 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: And a friend of ours, Laurence Bender, who actually introduced 172 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: me to Nicole, was hosting a table and that we 173 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: were sitting at, and she came over to tell Lawrence 174 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: you are not the Senator is not coming to your table. 175 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: If you want to meet the Senator, you go to 176 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: that table, and she stormed away again. And so I 177 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: said to Lawrence to go who is this. 178 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: She's a frire story. 179 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: And he said, how do you not know Nicole Avon? 180 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: She's famous in this town. I have no I've never 181 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,239 Speaker 3: met her. He goes, oh, you'll meet her tonight. She's great. 182 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: And so after the event was over, Laurence hosted a 183 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: table at Ago, the former Ago, and said, you guy, 184 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: should you should come? So I said great. We go 185 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: to the dinner and Nicole comes walking in the room 186 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: and Laurence said, switch seats. You should talk to Nicoll. 187 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: She's she's great. You should get to know Nicole. And 188 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: she sat down next to me and we talked for 189 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: three hours with a table of ten, but it was 190 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 3: just the table for two, isn't that we talked for 191 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 3: three hours straight. 192 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: That's when that takes over and like the white light, 193 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: everything goes away, but the two of you, like all 194 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: the noise in the restaurant was just and from that 195 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: point on, So then you asked her out on a date. 196 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, we talked that night though by the way, we 197 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: talked about everything you're never supposed to talk about on 198 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: a date, Like we talked about religion, politics, history, everything 199 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: we're not supposed to talk about it, right, And it 200 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: really was an unbelievable experience that by the time we 201 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 3: I did ask her for a date if you afterwards, 202 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: and she she she had she tells the story, but 203 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: that she had been She said kind of like unconscious. 204 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: I hope I see him again. And I wrote a 205 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 3: note to her at the bottom, but I said, I 206 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 3: hope I see you again. So and uh. 207 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: So Nicole has that way about her. She yes, she's 208 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: a manifestor, Yeah, she's a manifestor she really is. 209 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: But she so that then that we met for a 210 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: drink that turned into dinner and after a pretty short time, right, 211 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 3: we not only were together after very sure you were married? Right? 212 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: Well? 213 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if I truly believe, like I shouldn't point 214 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: in your life too, when you've lived enough life and 215 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: you know, you just know, you know, you. 216 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 2: Know, and it's just like, yeah, let's we we gain 217 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: our life together. Yeah, we were. 218 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: I think we're about nine months in and I said 219 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: to her, I don't know what else I'm going to 220 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: know in six months that I don't already know, right, 221 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: And I was very sure about it, right. Yeah. 222 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: My next question in reading this, when I was thinking 223 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: about it, I was like, so, when was the first. 224 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: Time you said I will meet you there, like. 225 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, in because there's two ways to be saying yeah, 226 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: i'll meet you there, I'll meet you at. 227 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: The tower, or i'll meet you there. 228 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's kind of like that you'll be 229 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: happy in the way, but it was it was not 230 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: a conscious. 231 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: Decision, right, so that you'll be happy. 232 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: To also take that right away, think you'll be happy, 233 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: but i'll meet you there. Is it actually just kind 234 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: of very organically flowed and I sat down to write 235 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: at the first draft, and it's a thing that stuck 236 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: out to me as kind of an like you said, 237 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: it's a string of words, it means very little, or 238 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: it could be life changing, and for me it was. 239 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 3: And again, meeting somebody where they are physically or where 240 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: they are emotionally, and to recognition that in a life together, 241 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: consequences dictate that things change and and you change, and 242 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: you're not in the same state that you were in, 243 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: and you're not in the same space that you were 244 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: in sometimes and you have to meet that person where 245 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: they are and try to help them through it and 246 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: that they will do the same for you. 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: That's very important. 248 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: And it's not always easy, as you know, to meet 249 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: someone there, you know, as we evolve, as you have 250 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: a shared life, a journey, which is really what you 251 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: have with someone when you really choose to spend. Has 252 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: there been a time where to meet Nicole or meet 253 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: or you know, having Hole meet you there wasn't so 254 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: easy where it's like, Okay, I'm gonna get there, but 255 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how much. 256 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 3: Oh for sure, it's all I mean, I would say 257 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: when the first time I consciously remember the meet you there. 258 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: Being part of our life was right after we got married, 259 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: she became the US ambassador to the rahamas sure and 260 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: physically moved to the Bahamas, and I could not physically 261 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: move with her at that time, so we were I 262 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: was doing two weeks home and one week there for 263 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: the first couple of years of our marriage. Okay, so 264 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: our whole marriage was I'll meet you there, and then 265 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 3: when I would meet there, I would you know, get 266 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: off the plane and get into a suit and be 267 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: you know, you had duty duties on top of that, 268 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: and then also I had to show up for her 269 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: in a way that she was there by herself, you know, 270 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: so to be able to make up for lost time 271 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: constantly and then still invest in time, invest our time 272 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: in each other. We had little bites of getaway time 273 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 3: together that were not part of duty. And then also 274 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: we're you know, both that we have kids that were 275 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: also needed that attention. And then yeah, and so when 276 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: I have a Sarah an TONI and Sarah and Nicole 277 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: came into our lives and at a really ruckous time 278 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 3: going into early teens. 279 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, with me with Brian and Billy's it's 280 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: not an easy time. 281 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: To begin a relationship with somebody because what you also 282 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: realized that I'm sure the call felt this way and 283 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: you they have to love you like you love her 284 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: and she loves you, because without that it's not easy. 285 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's and it's bouncy. And I think about 286 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: it the time together and Nicole's willingness to invest and 287 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: lean into them and uh and you know sometimes swallow 288 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: some pretty hard transactions, yes, and also like to step 289 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: into a role and she really did. I mean, I 290 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: think some of Sarah and my daughter's favorite times in 291 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: our relationship together was times that she was in the 292 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: Bahamas without me with Nicole. Yeah, and just really that 293 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: spent some real time and saying with san with TONI 294 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: told me would have these really almost rituals in the 295 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 3: Bamas that he really loved and enjoyed it. And then 296 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: he would show up and have duty. So like he 297 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 3: you know, when he showed up he was the ambassador's 298 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: son and they would you know, he would show up 299 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: on an aircraft carrier and to meet people. 300 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And it's funny with when when you were 301 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: a kid and you're like because. 302 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: When you're the step which I hate the word, I 303 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: never you know, Billy and I we don't really use 304 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: step because it's you know, you get past whatever that is. 305 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: But you also have to. 306 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: Maintain your sense of like who you are as the like. 307 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: So in the room sometimes you know, you respect the parents, 308 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: the biological parents, and you might disagree or agree, but 309 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: you have to find that thread. 310 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: It's a difficult road. It's a difficult road and not 311 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: underappreciated too. Yeah, so I definitely think that that is 312 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: something where if you could find that place and people 313 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: comment on it a lot about Nicole and the relationship 314 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: with the kids, Yeah, it's very special. 315 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: Kind of sounds like this could be a good show 316 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: on Netflix. 317 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: So I'll meet you there kind of again started with 318 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: this dual life we had back and forth. Interesting when 319 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: Nicole came back from the Bahamas, it was because my 320 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: mother had just passed, and it was this time where 321 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: she writes about it in the book What a Difficult 322 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: How she looks back with great regret her reaction because 323 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: she was so busy in the role that I was 324 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: talking to her about the funeral and she was talking 325 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: back and forth about work, and then this realization that 326 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: she was not in the right place at that moment. 327 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: But she came to that conclusion on her own, and 328 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: it was led to the chain of events and led 329 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: to her coming home, which was, you know, there's a 330 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: lot that she was needed for here, and then she 331 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: came back and up to work work on Obama's reelection, 332 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: but also more importantly, she came home to be with 333 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: the family. It's so unlikely, not because she's black and 334 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: I'm white. It's because I grew up like very lower 335 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: middle class and I find out later that I'm dating 336 00:15:52,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 3: a princess at Beverly Hills. 337 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Table for two. 338 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: We've been speaking with our guest, Ted Crandos about his wife, Nicole. 339 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: Levant's parents, Clarence and Jacqueline. Clarence was known as the 340 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Black Godfather at Motown Records. Jacqueline, or Jackie as she 341 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: was lovingly known, was a huge influence in both Nicole 342 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: and Ted's lives before her tragic murder in twenty twenty one. 343 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: People don't experience, you know, knock on wood, hopefully what 344 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: you guys experienced within that short period of time. So 345 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: how did the light come back in through into your family, 346 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: into you and Nicole through the darkest hour of that, 347 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, how does how do you dealing with grief? 348 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: As Nicole is written about. 349 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because I feel like it was very 350 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: it also was organic as as as shocking as the 351 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 3: whole incident was and the whole dealing with it, this 352 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 3: whole kind of organic period that kind of started with 353 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 3: the passing of my father and ended with the passing 354 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: of Clarence a couple of years later, with this tragedy 355 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 3: in the middle, you know what I mean. So it 356 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: wasn't it kind of eased, It almost eased you into 357 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 3: it out of it. And and like my father passed 358 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: exactly the way we all hope to, just took a shower, 359 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: put on his pajamas, went to sleep and didn't wait God, 360 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: bless God. He was about to turn eighty and was 361 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: you know, he had lived a life and it was beautiful. 362 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 3: And then you know, Jackie, with that, you know, kind 363 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: of horrific and you couldn't have imagine Clarence was kind 364 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: of in that, you know, somewhere in between. Yeah, we 365 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: didn't really see it coming, but he was sick and 366 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: said he was you know, uh, And and then what 367 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: we did have is that last week together where he 368 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: you know, he was unconscious for you know, for that 369 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: period of time because. 370 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: He moved in with you and Nicole. 371 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you have this whole immediately he came, he came 372 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 4: from the hospital to live with Nicole and I and 373 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 4: we and it was like a gift, I say in 374 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: the in the forward, it was like a cosmic payback almost, 375 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: this incredible experience of. 376 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: Having them with us for a couple of years. Uh, 377 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: and to tell great stories. And I took that as 378 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: like almost like a like a built in mentorship at home. 379 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 3: Have to imagine making deals for a living and having 380 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 3: clear at the house. Yeah, and he and he veryly 381 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: never he always had great advice, and it was never 382 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: about the deal itself. It was just about people and 383 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: how people react to different things. Did you try this, 384 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: did you think about this? You should ask to mention 385 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 3: this or that kind of thing. Yes, Yeah, it was 386 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 3: all the things that happened on the edge of a 387 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: deal that make the deal open, you know, closer enough. 388 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: So really helpful in that way. But we'd have these 389 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: meals together. We just talked about music and we talked 390 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: about life. And he would tell you know, he hit 391 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: a very big repertoire of stories, they kind of got 392 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: smaller and smaller every night. And the story. I'm always 393 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: endlessly fascinated by what stories stayed with you till the 394 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: very very yeah, from childhood or from adult even from 395 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: your later adult lives. And so in that way, it 396 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: was a very interesting thing to watch, and we would 397 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 3: just spend we got to spend a lot of time together, 398 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: which in contrast, when my father passed fairly unexpectedly and 399 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: he had lost my father had a stroke several years 400 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: before and lost his speech. So for seven or eight 401 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: years of end of his life, we didn't really talk, 402 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: couldn't talk, and so my father was a I would 403 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 3: say a kind of a long goodbye in that way, 404 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: and Clarence said, filled a big, gigantic void for that 405 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: time that I wish I had with my dad. 406 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: Is there a story that came out of that that 407 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: you had never known? That you were like, oh, wow. 408 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: You know, there's funny. He would say these little It 409 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 3: wasn't really out of it, didn't come out of that, 410 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 3: but it's like he planted the seed for it there 411 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: then you find I found out about it later. Actually, 412 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: he would always say these things because he did so 413 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: many enormous things. He would say some things in a 414 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: very nonchalant way. You know. I helped Albell sell Stax Records. 415 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: Just that that's it. 416 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: And then you see this great Stax Records documentary on 417 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: HBO recently, and Clarence changed the face of those artists 418 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: and changed the whole fate and future of a certain 419 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: kind of music because of that deal. And so you 420 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: realized these things later as they come out. He just 421 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: did him. It was just like, oh, yeah, help the buddy. 422 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 3: I helped the buddy. 423 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: You know. 424 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: You you talked about the ability just to keep going 425 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: forward and not be stuck in the nostalgia of what 426 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: was and creating. 427 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: And I love and admire and respect these guys, you know, 428 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 3: these pioneers ahead of us. And I became very good friends. 429 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: I've been for a for a long time, very good 430 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: friends with Tony Bennett. We did a document before Netflix 431 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: streaming even we did a documentary on Tony Bennett with 432 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 3: Clint Eastwood, and somebody knew I was a I was 433 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 3: obsessed with Tony Bennett, and they said, hey, this might 434 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: be an interesting thing. Clin Eewood's going to produce it 435 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: and his team is directing and an editing, and I'm like, 436 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: let's do this, right, So do this. I get to 437 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: know Tony. I joined his board for Exploring the Arts, 438 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: which is a nonprofit that pays for performing arts programs 439 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: in public schools. So after the budget gets cut, the 440 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: first thing that gets cut usually is the arts programs. 441 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: So we come in and backfill that. We do it 442 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 3: for seventeen schools in New York and LA and and 443 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: through that process, and this was Tony's you know, passion, 444 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 3: right and through that and so much so that he 445 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: built a performing arts school in Queens in his hometown 446 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 3: of Astoria. And he named it the Frank Sinatra School. 447 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: So imagine doing all that work and naming it for 448 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: somebody else, right, But that's to me, it's like that 449 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: kind of humility. So great. But I knew. So I 450 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: got to Tony, and then I got Norman Lear, who's 451 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: become a very good friend. And you know, I knew 452 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: once I knew all these guys in there who were 453 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: in their nineties, I knew that these days were coming, 454 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: and have so many of them in the last few years. 455 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: It's just it's kind of opened to either a void 456 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: or an opportunity in the universe. 457 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: That's a good way to look at the opportunity and also. 458 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: The the the idea that you were able to, you know, 459 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: share a journey. 460 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 2: Where does that fit into your work? 461 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Because now you have all these really great stories, does 462 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: that inspire you or motivate your help sort of shape 463 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: the work that you've done. 464 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look at the idea that you can have, 465 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 3: that your the work can have a lasting impact is phenomenal. 466 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: In a world is full of distraction and full of noise, 467 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: something that really stands out or sticks around is pretty special. 468 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: We were talking before we started here about how young 469 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: people don't really know old things right, and we grew 470 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: up on old things right. So the reason I think 471 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: one of the things that really influenced my success had 472 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: been I grew up watching I couldn't sleep at night. 473 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: I was not never a big sleeper, like five hours 474 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: a night when I was a kid. So you watch 475 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: late night TV. So I watched. I knew every episode 476 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: of the Jack Benny Show, the Dye Griffis Show, Thank You, 477 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: I Love Lucy, And so for me, I was really 478 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: shaped by those early days of comedy and and so 479 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: for me and that influences I desire to make things 480 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: that people can't wait to see. I remember reading an 481 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 3: article about I Love Lucy was so popular and it's 482 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: peak that during the commercial breaks, the water pressure in 483 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 3: New York City would drop because that's what people would wait, 484 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: everyone's going to go to the time. And it's like 485 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,239 Speaker 3: that impact our custure. And then you know, the other night, 486 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: we had a hundred million people around the world watching 487 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 3: the Jake powfight. Yeah you know, I mean yeah, you 488 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: so back fifty years to find an audience that big, right, 489 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: and especially for you know, for for a boxing match 490 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: was back with Muhammad Ali was fighting on ABC to 491 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: get a bigger and after that, the next biggest audience 492 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 3: at the same time would have been the Mash finale 493 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: over forty years ago, right exactly. So so so a 494 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: lot of these things will stick with me about what 495 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: to do and and to get to know people who 496 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: have done it way before me. That's you know, that's 497 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: a gift in life. 498 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: I think, you know, to being raised by her mother. 499 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: The sense of when you would speak about Jackie was 500 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: all about really making sure how you presented and how 501 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: and level of respect and how you spoke to people 502 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: like that's a very important thing to pass on to 503 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: your children, because the Cole calls it home training. 504 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: Home training, right. You know, you were not messing around 505 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: with Jackie. 506 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: You know one of our one of the times, one 507 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: of the business stories with Jackie and me is she 508 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 3: we were we went to visit one time during We 509 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 3: were bringing food over to the house all the time 510 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: during COVID, but we went over to visit one time 511 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: and she obviously had this thing planned because she was ready. 512 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: So Nicole goes in the other room. She's talking to Clarence. 513 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 3: I'm talking to Jackie, and she says to me, you 514 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: should make a show on Netflix about Queen Charlotte. Just 515 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: out of the blue, WHOA, And I call Jackie. There 516 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: is a show a Netflix abou Quen Charlotte. It's called Bridgerton. 517 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 3: She goes, no, no, no, I've seen that show. It's great Jesus, 518 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: but it's you know, the Queen Charlotte's a real person 519 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: and she's got an unbelievable history, and you should do 520 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: something about Queen Charlotte specifically. And I go. She rolls 521 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: her eyes and walks down the hall and she comes 522 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: back with a stack of books about Queen Charlotte and letters, 523 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 3: handwritten letters that Queen Charlotte had written that Jackie had 524 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: collected at auctions over the years because she was, you know, 525 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: she was obsessed with history and history makers, particularly black history, 526 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: and you know, Queen Charlotte is this incredible figure and 527 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: she's a you know, she's the real deal figure. And 528 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: so I almost, like, almost just being nice, I say, 529 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'll take a look, you know, because Jackie's 530 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: never done this before. It never suggested or pitched any 531 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 3: And I get home and start flipping through the material 532 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: and it's remarkable. Her life is remarkable. And I called 533 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 3: Shanda and I said, Shonda, my mother in law thinks 534 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: you should do this. And I started reading through, and 535 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: I think you should. And in fact, I worry now 536 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: that Charlotte has become a popular character because of Bridgington 537 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: and someone else is going to do it. You should 538 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: do that. You should be the one's true And she 539 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: sent her We sent the materials. As she dug into it, 540 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: she goes, we're doing this right, and it just came 541 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: together that quick. 542 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: That's fascinating. She was sitting on that like she knew. 543 00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: She had the stack. 544 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: She was just like, okay, you wait for the right now. 545 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: Watched Bridgerton then said, wait a minute, you're missing a 546 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: character here that needs her story told. 547 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: Yea, and Nicole talks about it. But you know they 548 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: had her girl indoor and she grew up much did 549 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: with Jackie's influence. But they had a wall of power 550 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: basically just like a wall of black people first who 551 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: did this, that and the other and all like people 552 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: who are super accomplished Black people through history, and it 553 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: was Nicole knew every one of them and every story 554 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: growing up, and that was never lost at that history 555 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: was never lost on her. So for Jackie to bring 556 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 3: Queen Charlotte back to life something that she'd done for 557 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 3: Nicole her whole life. So she just did it for 558 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 3: the rest of the world. 559 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Table for two. 560 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: While his wife Nicole had incredible parents, so did Ted Sarantos. 561 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: Long before his time. 562 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: As co CEO of Netflix, Ted grew up with his 563 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: family in Phoenix, Arizona. What lasting influence did his parents 564 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: leave on him? When you lost your dad and I 565 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: didn't realize that there was a time where he couldn't speak. 566 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: But a son losing a father's very seminal. 567 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 3: It's a big moment. 568 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: How did that change you? Do you think? 569 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: How did it impact me? With my dad? Mostly there's 570 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: a role reversal that happens eventually where you're taking care 571 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: of your parents, right, And my dad was pretty independent 572 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: and before he had his stroke, he lived on a boat. 573 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: It was funny, he was. My parents were very young 574 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: parents in their twenties and four kids together. And then 575 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: my younger brother, who passed away also several years ago, 576 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: came later, so he had raising five kids. They were 577 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: just kids raising kids. And I remember growing up having this, 578 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: you know that it's not that they were you didn't 579 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 3: like having young, fun parents. When you're younger, you want, right, 580 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: you want your parents to be your parents, and and 581 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: he used to be crazy. But I realized as I 582 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 3: got older and became a parent of myself, what was 583 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 3: happening was my parents were just trying to capture the 584 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 3: little the youth that got away from them, right, because 585 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: they got to get too young. They started babies too young. 586 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: So my dad was in his forties, he was trying 587 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: to find his twenties, you know. And I came to 588 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: understand that later too late in life actually, And same 589 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: with my mom, like you know, and then they didn't 590 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 3: really have like incredible role models in that way. So 591 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 3: that for us growing up, it was I always jokingly 592 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: saying I was raised by wolves because we didn't have 593 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: a lot of rules in the house when they had 594 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: set dinner time. The reason they watch TV all night 595 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: is they weren't paying attention. Uh, And part of me 596 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: was like mad about that all the time. And I 597 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: would argue, and I used to argue with my dad 598 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: a lot about all kinds of stuff, right, And then 599 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: I realized at some point that the limited time we 600 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: had together, but a silly thing to do is waste 601 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: that time arguing with them. So he would say something 602 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 3: that I either was wrong or I disagreed with politically 603 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: or something, and instead of arguing with them, like oh 604 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: that's interesting, and just stop arguing with it. Right, And 605 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 3: we had a beautiful relationship. 606 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: And once you can make a shift, yeah, big shift. 607 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: That's it comes with age, it comes with wisdom, and 608 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: it also comes with the. 609 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: Real realization that her life and we had this really. 610 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: I mean, as much as I talk about the life 611 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: being chaotic and crazy, there's a real beauty to what 612 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: was happening there too. My sister, my oldest sister, Kathy. 613 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: I mean I think back of like memories and influence 614 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: everything else. I read the book Jaws, which was a 615 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: very racy book at that time when I was very. 616 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: I never read that really. 617 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's very graphic sex scenes and kind of 618 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: and but I got but I took it. I took 619 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: it from from her. And she was a dance in 620 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: an Arthur Murray dance instructure at some point. She did 621 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: this really cool thing when we were growing up. She 622 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: would always bring the kind of orphaned people to Thanksgiving 623 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: and Christmas dinner at our house, and so being exposed 624 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: to a variety of people in the lives and story 625 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: he's started very young for me, and in fact, many 626 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: of the stories that we did, you know, the folks 627 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: who came to that dinner that would likely to be 628 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: a gay dancer, who whose parents kicked him out right 629 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: and didn't have family to spell celebrate the holidays with 630 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff I'm talking about in the 631 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: late in the mid seventies and eighties in Arizona. 632 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: In Arizona, yeah, yeah, concern, yeah yeah. 633 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: So she so again she kind of exposed me to 634 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 3: this world that was you know, bigger than bigger than me. Uh. 635 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: And this the stories that are being told at the 636 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: table are not typical of the Arizona Table stories anyway. Uh. 637 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: And then my sister Jean is this crazed growing up, 638 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: she was this crazy Barbara streisand fan. So I think 639 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: she gave me the sense of a fandom, like a 640 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: real understanding of fandom, and like she would change her 641 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: hairstyle of Barbara did. 642 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: So, and she changed her hairstyle a lot. 643 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, she did the Superman my favorite. This 644 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: is my sister trying desperately to coffee that look in 645 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 3: the fact, so much so that her boyfriend at the 646 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: time who later became her husband, took me to see 647 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: the uh the filming of the Original starsbod they did it. 648 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 3: I was like a ten years older. We did it. 649 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 3: They did at the ASU the opening of the film. 650 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: Offer me yeah, because they had the big scene. 651 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they had to fill up the stadium, so 652 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: it was the gigantic bill of rock stars. Peter Frampton, 653 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: who was like the biggest start at the time with 654 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: the liner to fill up the stadium, right, Okay, So 655 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 3: again it's kind of very all these kind of early 656 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 3: influences I always trying to think about. And then my 657 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: sister Terry, who's two years older than me. Her she 658 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 3: is like she understood, she understood a relationship with my 659 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: dad better than I did. My dad loved cars and mechanics. 660 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: He could fix anything, can build anything. And she talk 661 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: about meets you where you are. She started doing that 662 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: stuff to get bad more quality time with my dad. Yeah, 663 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: and she's you know so, and she's so decided I'm 664 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: watching her house. She kind of and it managed relationships 665 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: in a way by meeting people where they are. It 666 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 3: was a really cool influence. And my brother Joey who 667 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: passed away too young, but he incredibly talented designer and 668 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: dancer and super gifted guy who just like I just 669 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: feel like he just wasn't built for this world. He 670 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 3: had He had a really hard time and for someone 671 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: so gifted and talented, he just had a really hard 672 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: time getting things together all the time. So and but 673 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 3: his kind of just passion for life and living life 674 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: was something that was irew. 675 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: What an interesting I did not know any of this 676 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: in regard to you, how you grew up and and 677 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: I think having the young parents created this like camp 678 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: in a way that. 679 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: You could, you know, become who you are and like 680 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: lean into. 681 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: It and maybe you don't ever know what when you're 682 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: in the middle of it, you know, really have to 683 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 3: look back at I think my favorite show as a kid, 684 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 3: I used to love that Happy Days of Her usurely. 685 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: I mean that lineup, I forget about it. 686 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: But I also remember watching because my dad. My dad 687 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 3: smoked a lot, so we never went to the movies 688 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: because he didn't want to go to I was though smoking. 689 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: But if it was about the fifties we're in, that 690 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: was that was his thing. 691 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: Go two hours? What was the Richard American? 692 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 3: American American everywhere? All the Americans and all that stuff. 693 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: We saw them all you got drive in? 694 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: We did. We went to the big sky drive in. 695 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't you bring those back? 696 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: I know it was a great COVID was going to 697 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 3: bring him back and it didn't stick. 698 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: You drive in the cars going up and down window, 699 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, the kids out of the trunk. People 700 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: are running around, little kids in their pajamas. 701 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: So soundestly, I mean we used to go and those 702 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: were really special night. 703 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun. But also I was thinking about 704 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: Happy Days, like the influence of that time period, you know, 705 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: because iknew about knew about the fifties, I knew about 706 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: old stuff and he but I remember our whole family 707 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: watching Love American Style too, watching what became the pilot 708 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: for Happiness was. 709 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: On Love Oh that they had a little vignette. 710 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 711 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Love America Style was. I mean we were young, 712 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: the come on with the. 713 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: Heart that was like the red, white and blue and 714 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: it was like a vignette to a vignette. I mean 715 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: my parents were out, my sister and I were like young. 716 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: It was like that was like the ten o'clock sah. 717 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: It was like it was like racy, and that's where 718 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: kids don't have that they don't have like what we had. 719 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: Also, you know the you can only see something once 720 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: a week, and you. 721 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: Know you were like looking forward to happy days and 722 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: line I can tell you the eight is Enough, Charlie's 723 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: Angels Vegas lineup on ABC or. 724 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: You know, you just knew what you were into. 725 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: And it was I was saying, I attribute a lot 726 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 3: of my what drew me to television was order, like 727 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: schedule and order, and I knew what time things were 728 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 3: on and where I could find them and all that 729 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: kind of stuff, and the house was not orderly at all. 730 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 3: And I talk about my brothers and sister and my dad, 731 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: but I didn't tell you anything about my mom, who 732 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 3: is the funniest woman you've ever met. The life of 733 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 3: the party. 734 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 2: My mom. 735 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 3: My mom was the life of the party at all times. Hysterical, 736 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 3: hysterically funny and irresponsible. 737 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: Okay, did she smoke too, She was. 738 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: She was great. She would smoke and then quit, and 739 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: then smoke, then quit. She was like she was selectively addictive. 740 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 3: And I think about her personality, but to everything were 741 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 3: smoking driving, We drove across country. We moved from New 742 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 3: Jersey to Arizona. When I was a kid, we drove 743 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: across country. I don't think they cracked the window. 744 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: Was smoking away. We were just like no. 745 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: Seatbelts, crawling up and down, having them exactly try to 746 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: hate you in the back seat when he was especially 747 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: with as many. 748 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 3: So here's my growing up. My parents, my mom, we 749 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 3: were always out of money. I always thought we were poor, poor, 750 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 3: but actually my mom they were just terrible with money. 751 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 3: Because my dad was an electric working union electrician, so 752 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: they probably had enough money. But we're always we always 753 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 3: had like the utility some one utility was always off, 754 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 3: so it was called dueling utilities. The electric was on, 755 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 3: the gas was off, the thought, the phone was off. 756 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: So it's like all the constantly. Again, they were just 757 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 3: bad managing money. So we did one year for Christmas. 758 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 3: My dad was it was during a layoff period and 759 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 3: we had no money for Christmas and my dad, uh 760 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 3: built so I'm gonna make the kids gifts for Christmas 761 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 3: and he made us. I still have mine. He's like 762 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 3: chests like a treasure Mine was like a treasure chest 763 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 3: a store like the store, yeah, and built up and 764 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 3: they're all different, they're different looking, and uh like I said, 765 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 3: I still have that gift. I know have And my 766 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 3: mom she was on the mission and okay, we're gonna 767 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: make gifts this year. Okay, I got it, but she 768 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 3: couldn't take it. So like Christmas, Eves went out and 769 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 3: bounced checks and bought us all crazy toys and everything else. 770 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: So I still have those toys. 771 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: I don't have any of those toys, but I still 772 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 3: have the chest. 773 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 2: So what's things like that like? 774 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: Again, as you look back, like I can look back 775 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: on all the toys, I don't have things like that 776 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: that become the most meaningful. 777 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: And we used to go on these vacates. Once a 778 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 3: year we go on a vacation and we usually always 779 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: the sad go for a week, okay, And one year 780 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 3: we went and this is per classic my mom and 781 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: classic my dad. We go and check in the hotel, 782 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 3: and then the last day we're going to check out, 783 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 3: my mom tells my dad all your money to pay 784 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 3: the bill, to pay the hotel. Boll So of course 785 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 3: you wouldn't cancel the trip. You're just gonna go figure out, 786 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 3: figured it out, and I'll wait till the end, wait 787 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 3: till the exactly so that my dad goes to the 788 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: marina and fix his boats until he makes enough money 789 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 3: to pay for the hotel. 790 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: See said, all those stories you said make you you 791 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: yeah and bring you to the call telling you it's 792 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: like there's like no coincidences in this world. Like it 793 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: gives you, like the backbone, It gives you the integrity, 794 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: It gives you the ambition, it gives you the heart 795 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: because to have dueling utilities to be like in that 796 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: situation where like you're like, oh no, like you're kid, 797 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: you're taking it in. 798 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 3: And I really like now I look back and like 799 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 3: I needed like we needed the fun of that vacation, 800 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 3: and we needed to see my dad's work ethic to 801 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 3: pay for it, right, you know what I mean. So 802 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 3: it's that that exposure to it. 803 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: Exactly. Did you come Arizona to Los Angeles? Yeah? 804 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 3: I went. It was a period of time. So I 805 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 3: came up through home and working video stores first and 806 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 3: then through home video distribution, and the distribution business got 807 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: dried up. Basically, the Blockbuster Video went direct and just 808 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 3: squeezed out all the distributors, and we were the biggest 809 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 3: distributor at the time, and so we took our billion 810 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 3: dollar private company I was working at called et D 811 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 3: lost like six or seven hundred million dollars in sales 812 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 3: overnight as a Blockbuster. So we started shutting down plants. 813 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: It was like it was not a great time professional 814 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 3: and I knew I wanted to be in the business 815 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: and I wanted to be in some steer in some 816 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 3: steering capacity. So I'm gonna have to be in California 817 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 3: to do that. I didn't know what, you know what 818 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 3: that in what form that would take. I got recruited 819 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: from a company a West Coast video video city that's 820 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 3: their headquarters was in Torrance at the time, uh, in Philadelphia, 821 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 3: and got recruited to co to work for them doing 822 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 3: I was ahead of products, so basically the programming for 823 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 3: the stores, which is a Hollywood video kind of size 824 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 3: video chain. Yeah, uh and marked and marketing and merchandising, 825 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 3: and so I did that for a pretty short time, 826 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 3: about a year. But that's what moved me to LA 827 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 3: And then I got in that year at the at 828 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 3: that chain, I did a deal. It was the big 829 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 3: emergence of DVD and I did a deal with this 830 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: with Warner Brothers and Sony Columbia then to do revenue 831 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: sharing on DVD, which was unheard of at the time. Yes, 832 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 3: And it got into the trade magazines and read Hastings 833 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 3: read the magazine article and said, I need that guy, 834 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 3: I need that deal wow, And read knew, you know, 835 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: he's a brilliant engineer, had a great idea for this, 836 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 3: you know, for Netflix, envisioned it to be exactly what 837 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 3: Netflix is now. And when I talked to him first 838 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety nine. 839 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 2: That's crazy. And when you were getting like the DVDs 840 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 2: out of the machine, Yeah. 841 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 3: Well for us, it was you know the or this 842 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 3: back then er we're doing a right mail. 843 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 2: When I first met up, and it was so harsh 844 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,240 Speaker 2: for me to wrap my head around. 845 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 3: But this is rethinking. Like he went to the video 846 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 3: store and got a forty dollars late charge for Apollo thirteen, 847 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 3: and he said, this is toumb this is stupid. I'm 848 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 3: gonna do something about this. And instead of like protesting 849 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 3: the late feet, he built the company. And somebody said, 850 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 3: these things called DVDs are coming, and Read had this idea, like, 851 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 3: why don't we use the mail to send the videos 852 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 3: back and forth? They were the tapes are too heavy, 853 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 3: but DVDs were light. 854 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 2: Enough put the whole thing together. 855 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 3: He went to Tower Records and about five CDs and 856 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 3: mailed them to himself. He goes, oh, this will work. 857 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 3: That's the genius of Read Hastings. And then when I 858 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 3: met him, he described Netflix pretty much as it sits 859 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 3: right now, full digital media company. That the Internet at 860 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 3: that time was so slow and so expensive that was unfathomable, 861 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 3: and but he said, no, no, the Internet's going to get 862 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: twice as fast at half the price every eighteen months. 863 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 3: It's called More's law. And I just nodded, like I 864 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 3: knew what. 865 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 2: He's talking about. I had no idea what he was 866 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 2: talking about. 867 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 3: And I can't remember coming back home and thinking, I 868 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 3: don't know if he's crazy or he's a genius or both, 869 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,799 Speaker 3: but he's going to do something to change the world, right. 870 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 871 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, I just I love how 872 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: life works. I love the you know, how you got 873 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: you get put into different rooms or people start to say, okay, well. 874 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 3: That deal put me on Read's radar, which led to 875 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 3: this role at Netflix. But if it was a different 876 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 3: executive than Read, he most it would never allow a 877 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 3: guy like me to exist, you know what I mean. 878 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 3: And he gave me even when you know we did 879 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 3: the deal for House of Cards was our first series 880 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 3: we did the that was the first deal we did. 881 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 3: We first, Lillly Hammer was the first one to get 882 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 3: on our air, but House of Cards was the first 883 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 3: big deal we did. And I remember at the time 884 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 3: He's like it was it was more than the entire 885 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 3: budget we had for streaming at the time, and we 886 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 3: did the deal, and Read afterwards it's like, why did 887 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: you do that? When I did in the original cut 888 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 3: that business and and I told him, I said, I read, 889 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 3: I did the risk, risk reward analysis on huh, And 890 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 3: I said, if this works will fundamentally change our business. 891 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 3: If it doesn't, we will have overpaid for a show. 892 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 3: We do it all the time. And he goes, oh, okay, 893 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 3: I'm totally supportive and just set and we're off to 894 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 3: the rasis wow and a different He created a company 895 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 3: and a culture that gave me the running room and 896 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 3: the confidence to do that. And then also, didn't you 897 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 3: know at any time we'll be tripped up anywhere along 898 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 3: the way. He didn't crush you and kill you. And 899 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 3: it's like, which is key. 900 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the humanity in it, in the humanity in you. 901 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 2: That's what comes across. 902 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: Because when you have those kind of like influences, people 903 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: tend to pass that out. 904 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I look back to it. That is what 905 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 3: struck me about that first meeting with Reading ninety nine 906 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 3: was that he talked about this gigantic company that didn't exist, 907 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 3: and he talked about a company that was going to 908 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 3: be around after him, which is interesting now I think 909 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 3: about at this kind of succession and I look at it. 910 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 3: He was thinking about succession before the company was even built, 911 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 3: you know, if because if you want a company to 912 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 3: be around a long time. It implies there will be 913 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 3: succession exactly so like and even the way he toyed 914 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 3: around with the co CEO models and all these kind 915 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 3: of things, all selfless all ways to make this company 916 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 3: that will last, you know, for generations and generations and 917 00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 3: you know, way after you're going to be around. You 918 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 3: have to be able to at your company without yourself, right, 919 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 3: which is hard for especially for a founder. 920 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: One hundred percent believe me, coming from a family business 921 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: that lasted ninety four years. 922 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 2: I think that was one of the. 923 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: Things that they stopped thinking about was just to you know, 924 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: you know, not only to be innovative during a time 925 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: of such great innovation in business, but also how was 926 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: it going to look. I will take your line, I 927 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: will meet you there, Because I think it's so powerful 928 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: in life, from even raising your daughter who's seventeen and 929 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: having moments right now where we're sort of at each 930 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: other to take a step back to say, okay, where 931 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: is she at? 932 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 2: How do I meet her there? 933 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: And how do I teach her to also understand how 934 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: to you know, how do we all meet each other 935 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: there at a time where right now it's a very. 936 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 3: We've been so much energy trying to drag people to 937 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 3: where we are right exactly, intead of saying now I'll 938 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 3: meet you there, and so we can't get there together. 939 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 940 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's it's it's it's so beautiful 941 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: and I really want people to If you haven't read 942 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: Nicole's memoir, think I think You'll be happy, which is 943 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: the text, right. 944 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 3: It is a text that Nicole got from her mother 945 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 3: six hours before she was I think. 946 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 2: You'll be happy, and you're you're right. It's all like 947 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: how do you say it? 948 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: And you know, Norman ly said to me once and 949 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: I only met him once and I was sat on 950 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: his podcast and he said something, but I think it 951 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: is on a moment right here is if I changed 952 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: one piece of my life, one piece. 953 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 2: I would not be sitting here with you right now. 954 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 2: Everything I've done brings us to this moment. 955 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: And then he goes and now it's gone, like it's okay, 956 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: like now, and I was like, like, oh my god, 957 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: this is Normally I. 958 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: Always think about it in terms of perspective, right, And 959 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 3: Norman had that way of putting everything in perspective before 960 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 3: a meal, looking around the table, just telling everyone, wait, 961 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 3: imagine how many things had to happen just like that 962 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 3: for us to be here right now, and you just 963 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 3: pause and think about it. Right, It's like everything that 964 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 3: went wrong right is now part of this thing that 965 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 3: went so perfectly right. Yeah. And I think that's a 966 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 3: really great lesson for Nicole and for the book and 967 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 3: for her story, which is all these things that went 968 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 3: wrong actually ended up in this gigantic big picture of 969 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 3: where things that are so right exactly and so worth 970 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 3: being grateful for us completely. And it's that kind of 971 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 3: grateful to be grateful in the face of incredible loss 972 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 3: and tragedy. Something medical role models for me, and hopefully 973 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 3: when you read her books you can role model for everybody. 974 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 2: I think she does. 975 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,719 Speaker 1: If I sort of as we come sort of to 976 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: the conclusion of our lunch, and I hope everyone has 977 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: enjoyed your your So I could spend hours talking to 978 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: if I had to ask you, if you had to, 979 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: like say a word about your in laws and your wife, 980 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: like to just one word that comes to you to 981 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: describe Jackie or or feeling, what would they be? 982 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 3: Elegant? Yeah, true elegance, True elegance. It's which is, you know, 983 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 3: a way of over you know, captured, you know, encapsuling 984 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 3: grace and dignity and elegance that all comes together like 985 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 3: it was everything put together, everything thought of. You know, 986 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,720 Speaker 3: it's just elegance, right, And you're. 987 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: Forward to I will meet you, you know, I will 988 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,319 Speaker 1: meet you there for Nicole's book. You say, I try 989 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: to keep up. I try to find the same comfort 990 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640 Speaker 1: she does. I love where it takes her and I 991 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: love to meet her there. And I think that is 992 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: a beautiful sentiment. 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