1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Mama never told you production off, I hear radio's house 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: to works. And today, finally, finally, I have waited so long, 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: we are talking about Alien Alien Aliens. Yes, I already 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: corrected there. I van yelled at a few times actually 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: in the last week, not only by you, but the friend. 7 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: He continues like, it's alien. Well, and I was saying, 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: I completely understand that mistake because I actually saw Aliens first, 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: because I didn't realize it wasn't a one two situations. 10 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: The sequel is Aliens with an S directed by James Cameron, 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: but that's not the one we're talking about today, although 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: we will mention it. Um, we're going to be talking 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: about the nineteen seventy nine release Scott film Aliens. So 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: if you somehow some way haven't seen it and don't 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: want to be spoiled, then you may want to skip 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: this one. Trigger warning too for sexual assault and rape 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and discussion of disturbing sexual imagery. Yes, um, And I 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: know longtime listeners of this show should be celebrating for 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 1: me because I said I think in the very first 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: episode I just want to talk about Alien, and here 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: we are and here we are, yes, because it is 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: the fortie anniversary of Alien correct right, and it is 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: back in theaters for a few days beginning October. So 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: this is a chance to see it on the big 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: screen if you want. Um, and we of course went 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: or will be going depending on when you listen to 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: right um for research. This is some of the best research. 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: I will say. Yes, we started our research, Arlie. Yes, 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: because I refused to do this episode until I watched it, 30 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: because I knew this was going to be a probably 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: four hour episode with your excitement and your um what 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: is it? Zeal? Zeal, thank you to continue and to 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: talk about it, and I'm really excited with you. So 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, let me watch this. And I 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: did watch it. I didn't have commentary, but there was 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot of commentary from both sides of me because 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening? Okay? What? Okay? What to? A 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: lot of explanations, told, a lot of here it comes 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: moments are that a few times? Um? So I did 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: we did already kind of do a view research, yes, um, 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: but it's not going to be It wasn't in theater. 42 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: So and I promise to keep quiet. I'm really glad 43 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: you had the chance to be able to get all 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: of your excitement out so that when we're in the 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: theater you wouldn't do that, right. I still want to 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: do one viewing and you don't have to go, but 47 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: I want to do one with a theme like cocktail 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: that's red and just the whole thing is discussion and hey, 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: you know I'm always down with alcohol. Just to be 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: sitting there and nodding, just let me get it out, 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: get it out, like yes we go. Um, and yeah, 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: this was something I was very excited to share with 53 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: you and with anyone who hasn't seen it or has 54 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: only seen it once or twice in passing. And you 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: haven't taken this critical feminist lens to it because you 56 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: will not be able to unsee all the stuff we're 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: talking about. So if you happen to not want to 58 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: watch it with feminist lens, maybe skip it as well. 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: But I think it's fun, yea, And yeah, I have 60 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: told the story on the show before, I think. But um, 61 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: thanks to a truly epic and very mean and honestly 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: successful prank my older brother played on me, I was 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: terrified of aliens like the Trope, The Thing, the Monster 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: and movies and so fairly fairly recently. I didn't see 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: ET and Independence Day until I think a couple of 66 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: years ago. Um. My friends made me watch ET after 67 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: we wrote the ET Ride at Universal, and I was like, wait, 68 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: what is what? What? Well? Yeah, it's very different than 69 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: the movie. I've got to say, the Ride the only 70 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: movie I've ever walked out on because the fear was 71 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: lost in space. And yes, I know that's not a 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: great movie, but I was scared and I left. Um 73 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: and I almost walked out on signs. I would have 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: walked out if my friends hadn't been there, and I 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: was too embarrassed. I will say, have all three of 76 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: these movies I've only seen at really? Yeah, Because you know, 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: I kind of told you already I'm not a big 78 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: sci fi fan, so the idea of aliens has never been, 79 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: uh something that I've been really really interested in seeing. 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: The vampires, give me ghosts, give me demons, you know, 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: all of those all day, but technically aliens, I'm like, okay, whatever, sure, Yeah. 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: So what um and I did have on my list? 83 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: I had two movies that because I was trying to 84 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: get over this fear actively and the two movies they 85 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: had at the top of my list working my way 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: up was Event Horizon and Aliens, because again I didn't 87 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: realize that there was an alien before that, and I 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: cried during Aliens. I was so afraid, but I got 89 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: over it and you love it. Yeah. Now, I was 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: like wow with this and I was fortunate enough to 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: get to walk through this really scary alien set piece 92 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: at the movie um in London. That was pretty cool. Alright, 93 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: So that is a lot of exposition. Let's get into 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: the episode here, because we do have a lot to say, 95 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: or I have a lot to say in Samantha's came 96 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: to the very patient with me to start with. Alien 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: is Yes a nineteen seventy nine sci fi horror movie 98 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: distributed by twentieth Century Fox, directed by Ridley Scott, written 99 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: by Dan O'Bannon and starring Sigourney Weaver. Amazing Sigourney Weaver. Yes, 100 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: and I watched Kevin in the Woods last night and 101 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: I forgot she's in it. That was one of the 102 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: prime moments of candid Yes, Yes, Yes, um okay. So O'Bannon, 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: the writer, was looking to ride the success of Star 104 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: Wars with a different type of space story. It was 105 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: pitched as Jaws in space. I can see that. Ridley 106 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: Scott described it as Texas Chainsaw massacre, but science fiction, 107 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: and we should mention he gets sold credit. Abandon does 108 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: for the script, but a handful of others made pretty 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: big contributions with which led to a lot of tension. Yeah, 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: of course. Anyway, the story involves the crew of the Nostromo, 111 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: a commercial spaceship kind of like a space tow truck, 112 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: and their encounter with the quote perfect organism alien. The 113 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: main character, though you probably wouldn't know it for the 114 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: first act of the film, is Sigourne Weavers Ellen Ripley, 115 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: the capable and cool headed senior officer. One of the 116 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: posters came with the iconic tagline in space, no one 117 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: can hear you scream. Okay, I guess that's right unless 118 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: you're in although in the movie you don't hear them scream. 119 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: It is, yeah you did somehow. There's a moment where 120 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: I think they were playing with it, but then you 121 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: do hear them scream, so I was like, well, it 122 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: was like it's very muted though, or music is blaring 123 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: over it. Yeah, yeah, I think that was a choice. 124 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: It was a choice, but I don't know if it 125 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: was like for a reason. Yeah, exactly. Um the poster also, 126 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: by the way, that is just an egg on the front. Okay. 127 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: Both audiences and critics praised the film, and it went 128 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: on to win the Oscar for Best Visual Effects, three 129 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: Saturn Awards, and a Hugo Award. Several film critics regarded 130 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: as one of the best films of all time. It 131 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: grossed about two hundred million at the box office. In 132 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: two thousand two. The Library of Congress added it to 133 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: their National Film Registry, calling it culturally historically are esthetically significant. 134 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: The American Film Institute placed it at seventh place on 135 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: their list of best sci fi films. In two thousand eight, 136 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: An Empire put it into thirty third place when ranking 137 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: best movies of all time. Also, speaking rides, there used 138 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: to be I would love if a listener could write 139 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: it and confirm this, but I feel like there was 140 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: a ride called Alien Encounter, and I remember it being 141 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: in Magic Kingdom where Leelo and stitches now, but that 142 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: can't be right, right, that can't be right. It was 143 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: in Magic Kingdom. What well? Super producer Andrew confirms it 144 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: and my mind is blown. I just feel like it 145 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: was really scary. For Magic Kingdom is very scary. Um. Yeah, 146 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: it was for people who don't know. You were in 147 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: a chair and like there was the alien was in 148 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: the in a tube in front of you, and then 149 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: of course it gets out and you feel it breathing 150 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: on your neck and then you get sprayed with blood 151 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: as it kills somebody. It was very intense. I can 152 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: see why they may be replaced it with Leelo and Stitch, 153 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: where it's now kind of a funny ride. Um. Anyway, 154 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: my mom and dad used to tell me about their 155 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: experience seeing this movie in the theaters for the first time, 156 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: which I find funny for several reasons. But they also 157 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: went on to get married on which is the day 158 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: that it premiered, which I'm sure is a coincidence. But 159 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: they told me people were running, puking, screaming, um, that 160 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: they avoided looking at the poster after seeing it because 161 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: it scared them so much. Yeah, my dad popcorns up 162 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: in the air. Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: not too many things at the time. People haven't seen 164 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: too many things like that. Wasn't that in the same 165 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: era as Halloween and it was yeah and all that though. 166 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: It was close. Um, but like in space people passed 167 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: out during a New Hope because the spaceship in the 168 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: beginning just kept going on. So, you know, interesting. And 169 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I am playing the video game Alien Isolation right now, 170 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: which is a game where the alien can hear you, 171 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: as in the player, as in me, whatever is happening 172 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: in my real life environment, and it uses that in 173 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: the game. And I've died any many times. It wasn't 174 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: the recommendation to you about sit wearing headphones so you 175 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: can hear even louder, Yeah, because it's surround sound and 176 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: you can hear it in front of you. So this 177 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: film success went on to inspire a franchise. Seven more 178 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: films to date, if we include the Alien Versus Predator films, 179 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: which I also haven't seen those. Not really, they're fun, 180 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: not really. The books, comics, video games, and toys. Pretty 181 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: impressive for R rated film. Yeah, the toys thing. Yeah, 182 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: I can't think of too many other our movies, I 183 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: guess like serial Killers or you know, like Monsters. Oh yeah, 184 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: I think there wasn't actually like Halloween, Jason Toy, Freddy 185 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: Cougar Toy, which is really weird. Yeah, I'll think about 186 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: that later. Um. And yes, aliens, themes of motherhood, abortion, 187 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: fear of sexual assault, post humanism and sex in general, machines, 188 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: corporations putting technology, weaponry, and scientific discovery about the welfare 189 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: of people. Some people have even interpreted the film as 190 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: a metaphor for women's refusal to bear children. So, yes, 191 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: there is an actual reason why we're talking about it. 192 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: It's not because I'm just a huge fan. It has 193 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot of feminist issues and just kind of right 194 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: anxieties around well, as you have already discovered because researching 195 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: there's so many articles and YouTube videos of these theories 196 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: of how this is portraying the patriarchy as well as 197 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: versus like feminism. What is this whole idea of one 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: woman being independent, being a leader, all of these different 199 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: And of course I know you were talking more about it, 200 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: but birthing and vaginas, but yes, yes, specifically burning gam 201 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: vaginas no joke. Yeah, I am definitely not the only 202 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: one who has put some thought into this by far. 203 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: And I'm actually really relieved because I was watching that 204 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: movie SIMI recently. I'm like, I think this is a 205 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: got a lot going on with vaginas and stuff. And 206 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: then I wasn't wrong. I wasn't way off base with 207 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: that one um from Tom shown over at Slate. Quote 208 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: Alien has issues. It has mommy issues and sex issues 209 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: as a thing for strong women who it also likes 210 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: to ugle in their undies. It's a hot mess of 211 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: Freudian fever dream with its crabby and post coital atmosphere. 212 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: It's rebirthing imagery. It's queasily gynecological production design. It's night 213 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: sweat of male anxiety, a part pecularly horrifying confusion of 214 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: the sexual gynecological with the gastro intestinal, wrote James Kavanaugh 215 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: from Son of a Bitch, Feminism, Humanism, and Science, and 216 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: Alien of the famous John hurt Barth scene in which 217 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: a quote razor tooth phallic monster gnaws its way through 218 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: his stomach into the light. A kind of science fiction 219 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: faulst in tatus. Oh yeah, m hmmm. So the movie 220 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: came out during a tumultuous time in our society. So 221 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: rod versus Wade had just recently passed, and gender and 222 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: social politics are changing rapidly with the help of the 223 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: second Waite Feminism. Not only that, but people increasingly had 224 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: environmental concerns from pesticides, chemicals in our foods, and cancers 225 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: caused by humans. Yeah, like human whatever we're up to. Um. So, yeah, 226 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the feminism of this movie. If 227 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: you search for most feminist harmonies of all time, Alien 228 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: is almost guaranteed to make the list. And if you 229 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: just search this movie and feminism itself, yeah, you will 230 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: find pages and pages of thing pieces about it, some 231 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: lauding its accomplishments, some decrying its flaws. This movie is 232 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: frequently examined through a feminist lens, seeen as progressive for 233 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: its time, while nitpicked for not going far enough. Are 234 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: sometimes in the context of how little the rest of 235 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: the series has come in terms of feminism since that 236 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: first one, once described as quote, a rape movie with 237 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: male victims are an examination of the monstrous feminine. And yes, 238 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: before you write in, we all know men can be 239 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: and are the victims of rape as well, but this 240 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: is how people have described it. Dan O'Bannon, the writer himself, 241 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: claimed that to him, the movie examined the male fear 242 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: of penetration, in which case I suppose we could add 243 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: in homophobia in the general conversation here. Um, here's a 244 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: quote from him. One thing that people are all disturbed 245 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: about is sex. I said, that's how I'm going to 246 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: attack the audience. I'm going to attack them sexually, and 247 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go after the women in the 248 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: audience are going to attack them men. I'm going to 249 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: put in every image I can think of to make 250 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: the men in the audience cross their legs, homosexual, oral rape, birth. 251 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: The thing lays its eggs down your throat the whole number. 252 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: So that's the creator himself. Uh yeah, And that scene 253 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: where it attacks like attaches to that guy's face, what's 254 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: the character ash, that's the Okay, Okay, that's right Kane's face. 255 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: That was really felt like and very very disturbing in 256 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: every sense. Right, and and I want to go into that, 257 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: but before it will make sense, let's talk about how 258 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: this creature works and embrace yourself perhaps terrifying this thing is. 259 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: So the queen lays eggs and you actually don't see 260 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: that until the second one, but there's this big queen. 261 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: She lays eggs. When the eggs hatch, the resulting creatures 262 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: are called face huggers, and they find something living and 263 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: in this case, um humans to latch onto, as the 264 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: name applies, they usually latch onto someone's face, wrapping their 265 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: tail around the victim's throat and inserting their proboscis down 266 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: their throat and forcing them to become the host for 267 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: their baby. If you can call it that organism, I 268 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: guess it's a frightening, disturbing act, very very close to 269 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: oral rape. And I believe in the second one, you 270 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: get a closer look at it, and it does look 271 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: very vaginal, and then there's a probuscus that looks very phallic. 272 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: So it's kind of been described as this combination hugger 273 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: because I was going to say, when they examine face hugger, 274 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: it looked a lot like the Clinton of vagina, and 275 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: I was like, what, what's WHOA, Yeah, that's very very obvious. 276 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: It is quite obvious. The first victim was deliberately chosen 277 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: to be male, and yes, his name was Kane ash Um, 278 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: who you later find out is an android, but he's 279 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: the science officer on the ship. He refers to the 280 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: organism inside Kane as Kane's son, a reference to the 281 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: biblical Kine, whose sons were born outside of God's laws 282 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: and were therefore quite maunch risk. I did not pick 283 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: up on this until this last time we watched it. 284 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: Once the organism is ready inside the its host stomach, 285 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: it burst out of the victim's stomach and this is 286 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: called a chest burster. This was also famously parodied and Spaceballs, 287 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: which you was the one I remembered. I was like 288 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: dining diner, and and then my friend was the one 289 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: that said, where's the scene where these tap dance? Yes? Hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 290 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: all right. And then from there it grows very very rapidly, 291 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: like hours, into a full grown creature called a zeno 292 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: morph And I'm sure now I'm not sure at all 293 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: because you, all of you listeners probably don't traffic in 294 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: the same nursery that I do. But I see a 295 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: lot of YouTube videos that's like explained the morphology of 296 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: the zeno more of our the life cycle of zeno 297 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: more because it is kind of confusing, right, But those 298 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: are essentially the life that's the life cycle is that 299 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: I would never question it because I'm like, a's an alien. 300 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: What rational like what kind of rationale do you put 301 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: to that? As an alien? How do we know something 302 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: that we don't know? I think it just confuses people 303 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: that the face hugger essentially dies. It puts your egg in, 304 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: It puts its egg in you. That was twenty tho 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: questions I did ask them, like, wait, why if that's 306 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: the egg, why isn't the egg the thing? And why 307 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: does it need to do one more extra step than 308 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: just doing that? Because what it means a gestation period 309 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: in it. It's sometimes enough other movies it like takes 310 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: the DNA of the host of I guess because I 311 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: was very confused, like, if it's already in the egg 312 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: then and it's been birthed out of that egg, which 313 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: hatches out of it's been birthed, So why is it 314 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: doing it again? What is happening? We did have that moment, 315 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: we did, and um, one more thing about them is 316 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: they bleed acid. And this was done on purpose because 317 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the director and the writers were like, why would they 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: not just shoot them? Oh, I know, they bleed acid 319 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: and we'll destroy your space shap Yeah they worked. Okay, 320 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: so that establishes the alien some of the things that 321 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Um, but we do have a character 322 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: that's been pretty big in the genre since then. But 323 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: first we have a quick break for word from response 324 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. And another thing that 325 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: comes up when you're talking about feminism and alien is, 326 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: of course Ripley who. For listeners who have heard, I believe, 327 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: the first episode I ever did as full time host 328 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: was Final Girl. She is frequently pointed to as one 329 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: of the original Final Girls, which is someone usually virginal 330 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: who a woman who survives to the end of an 331 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: onslaught in horror movies. So when it comes to our 332 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: main protagonist, Ellen Ripley, many of you have probably heard 333 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: um Ridley Scott asked for both male and female actors 334 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: to read the part. It wasn't gender. They were like 335 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: bringing whoever, and they went with a then unknown Sigourney Weaver. Also, 336 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: by the way, Ridley Scott identifies as feminist cool yeah 337 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: um yeah. So she is someone who is strong and 338 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: capable while still maintaining her femininity, although not too much 339 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: of it. But I personally when I read that, I 340 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: was like, she, um, you will apparently she kind of 341 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: it's the cat that most people point at the fact 342 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: that she cares about the cat, saves the cat very 343 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: I guess a feminine trait. She has been described Ripley 344 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: not the cat as the divine mother and protector of 345 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: all life. The final shot in the movie, some people 346 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 1: see us very Virgin Mary, resembling Virgin Mary. She is 347 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: also for much of the beginning of the movie largely ignored. Again, 348 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: you might not know she is the main character for 349 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: a while. Um, she's ignored by her male co workers 350 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: and even the other female one. When she cites quarantine protocol, 351 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: the thing that could have saved them from the alien, 352 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: she's ignored, completely ignored. They're like, Nah, that's terrible. You're 353 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: a terrible person. We're bringing bringing Cane in with this 354 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: mysterious being attached to his face. Uh, horror in itself. 355 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: Let's bring it in. Everything's fine. Yeah, I think we're 356 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: very chill about it. They really were. I feel like 357 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: that's a lot of the sci fi and horror movies. 358 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: They're like, that's cool. Things don't have to everything's just fine. 359 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: Attached to his face and okay, they're bleeding out every orpus. 360 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: Let's just let's just talk to them, called comfort them. Yeah. 361 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: The run. Uh. And this other female character, her name 362 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: is a Lambert, who is played by Veronica Kurtwright. Kurtwright 363 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: has publicly complained about the character of Lambert, who, if 364 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: you don't know, she's sort of spends the last part 365 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: of the movie crying and upset. Yeah, she says she 366 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: was told that Lambert. The actress was told that Lambert 367 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to represent the fears of the audience. In 368 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: the sequel Aliens, it is revealed that Lambert was a 369 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: trans woman. Um A screen briefly shown reads, despite conversion 370 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: at birth from male to female, so far, there are 371 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: no signs of suppressed trauma from gender reassignment, and of 372 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: popular fan supported theories that Lambert died of via violent rape. Yeah, 373 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: that was really horrible because she the last thing you 374 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: see of her that we saw her panciless, because all 375 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: you can see is the leg and then the blood 376 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: dripping down, which by the way, also represents many a 377 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: many times. We talked about administruation and penetration all that, 378 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: but it was really wows As quiet as the death was, 379 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: it seemed like it snaps away real quick. You see 380 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: it a little bit and then that's it. Essentially. I 381 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: used to have the tentacle, yeah, the tail uh yeah, 382 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: And apparently in the game, which I haven't gotten to 383 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: this part yet, apparently you find her body and it 384 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: is covered in blood. Maybe I'll report back on that. Um. 385 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: Both women in the movie had to wear tape over 386 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: their nipples so as not to offend of yours in 387 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: other countries when they come out of their like space 388 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: hyper sleep thing. Many scholars argue that the character Ripley 389 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: did so much to toughen up female heroines quickly and 390 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: eventually led to characters like Buffy. Um. Sigourney Weaver reprised 391 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: her role as Ripley and Aliens Alien three and Alien Resurrection, 392 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: and yeah, we're not really talking about those to day, 393 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: but but briefly, her character arc takes her from sole 394 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: survivor to mother their motherhood is all the thing and 395 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: Aliens to alien queen, to a transformation into the other. 396 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: She becomes a clone, not quite human, not quite alien. 397 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: In Resurrection, Clone Rimpley describes herself as the monster's mother. 398 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: When that movie ends, it's to not quite human women 399 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: that witnessed the New Dawn, that rod into the future 400 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: with a Ripley that has rejected humanity and the alien 401 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: instead chosen herself. She goes from mother protector to mother 402 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: destroyer another time. Well, I was gonna say it's kind 403 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: of how we talked about all the monsters, female monsters, 404 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: and we were talking about the one being the protector 405 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: a bubble bubba yoga babba yaga that sounds very similar 406 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: into that same realm. Yeah, it's it's really fascinating. And 407 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: as we we talked about in that episode, well, that 408 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: episode doesn't come out, so this is a preview we're 409 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: doing one of female monsters. We do have, apparently in 410 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: our society a lot of anxiety around motherhood, and we've 411 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: talked about that before and you can see it a 412 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: lot in this series. And here's one I love this. 413 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: One of the taglines for the third film was this time, 414 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: it's hiding in the most terrifying place of all, which 415 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: is a woman's body, because it's in Sigourney Weaver spoiler 416 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: spoiler spoilers, a woman's body is really terrifying sometimes. Apparently, 417 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: apparently myself and and the many others did take issue 418 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: with the underwear scene at the end of Alien, Specifically, 419 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: she sort of thinks she's safe and she strips down 420 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: to pretty much her underwear and like a top. But 421 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm actually torn about it because it makes sense you'd 422 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: be stripping down but it's hard to see it any 423 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: other way because women are so objectified in film. It 424 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: just this it's hard not to be like really right. 425 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: And I think at that time an age because when 426 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: we saw them waking up at the very beginning scenes 427 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: are in diapers essentially right, and I guess he's getting 428 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: ready to go to bed, and to me that seems 429 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: completely normal, but maybe the anticipation of the you know, 430 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: something's not completely ended. So why are you acting? Why 431 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: are you acting like you're okay? Right? And that's a 432 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: big complaint when it comes to Final Girls. Is sure 433 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: you have this strong well not always, but you have 434 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: a woman who survives and seems to be capable, but 435 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: usually you're witnessing it kind of voyeuristically through the the 436 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: killer or the monster, so you're you're more connecting with 437 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: the monster than you are with the woman typically, So 438 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: that's part of my problem with it, I think, is 439 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: that it suddenly has that feel of like the alien 440 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: is watching you and you're undressing, which um again kind 441 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: of makes sense, but I do get a little I'm 442 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: a little toorned about it. I will say, when I've 443 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: had a long day fighting aliens, I also want to 444 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: step down does this happen often? So many times annoying? 445 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: Now I understand, I'm glad you've rade it. This long 446 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: is long, um. And there are critiques of Ripley's um 447 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: nurturing nature and her sexual appeal um that make her 448 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: and her feminism at large, and feminism at large in 449 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: this movie, I guess, not so threatening to the patriarchy. 450 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: So they like took those steps, but they did it 451 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: in a way where men wouldn't freak out, I guess 452 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: is the easier way of saying that. From Alien Woman 453 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: The Making of Lieutenant Ripley by Jason Smith, Kiman and 454 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: Gallardo Quote, in the final scenes of Alien Ripley meets 455 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: not just an alien creature, but a dark, physical and 456 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: psychological mirror of herself, like a woman with a flamethrower. 457 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: That alien is a fallicized fetish object, a creation of 458 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: the male psyche of masculine fear and desire. Thus, the 459 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: film ultimately pits the body against her own shadow self. 460 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: But they go on to say, in a world where 461 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: men can be subjected to the monstrous feminine becoming pregnant 462 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: and give birth to monsters, where women can become the 463 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: heroes and soul survivors. The male comes superfluous, assumed to 464 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: be outmoded form, and Ripley's confrontation with and final destruction 465 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: of the alien. The object of desire of the military 466 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: industrial complex, gives voice to the contemporary feminist goal of 467 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: saving humanity from the destructive impulses of patriarchy, telling you 468 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said, we need that right now. 469 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: And then here's something that you were curious about. Mother. 470 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: It's basically the computer, the ship's computer that's in charge 471 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: of everything, and it's they call it Mother, but it's 472 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: actually m U slash t H slash you are six 473 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: thousand and um. This ship is what wakes up to 474 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: the crew who was not really supposed to stop this planet, 475 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: but wakes them up early to investigate a signal coming 476 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: from LV four to six, which is where things go 477 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: terribly wrong. They change it to five or an aliens. 478 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: I think there's always like a computer sort of thing 479 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: running it, and I've been interested for a while. And 480 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: like when we talk about Mother's ship and why we 481 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: refer to ships as she space is frequently seen as 482 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: the vast empty womb of a woman. Like just giving 483 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: these gender specifiers too. I was tempted to call Mother 484 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: she you know things like that. Um. When the crew 485 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: was first awakened by Mother, it is as if they 486 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: are children emerging from her room like the diapers. Like 487 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: you said, Um, Mother does not have your best interest 488 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: at art. She is a cold, artless bitch, except not technically. 489 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: But this is a computer but she's like, Um, I 490 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: guess the people who programmed her are from the movie. 491 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I love this quote Mother. I've turned the cooling unit 492 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: back on Mother. The ship will automatically distruct and t 493 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: minus five minutes and yes, that's when Ripley like starts 494 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: throwing up at the computer main dream. Um, this is 495 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: an argument between Ripley and Mother. Also Mother's co conspirator 496 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: Ash and Ash is the android character played by sir 497 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: Ian Home and I do I feel like in every 498 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: single alien movie are almost all of them, the android 499 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: character has some weird thing for the final girl, because 500 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: most of these do have a final girl anyway. He 501 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: tries to kill Ripley by shoving a rolled up porno 502 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: magazine into her mouth, which also feels very reminiscent of 503 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: oral rape. Um. I've read that that scene is like 504 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: he represents toxic masculinity. Um. I never noticed there was 505 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: all this porn in the background until I did this 506 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: research from the monstrous feminine film feminism psychoanalysis. The science 507 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: fiction horror film Alien presents a complex representation of the 508 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: monstrous feminine as archaic mother. Mother. Alien is primarily a 509 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: terrifying figure, not because she is castrated, but because she castrates. 510 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: Her all consuming, incorporating powers are concretized in the figure 511 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: of her Alien offspring, the creature whose deadly mission is 512 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: represented as the same as that of the archaic mother, 513 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: to tear apart and reincorporate all life. It is the 514 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: notion of the thick und mother as Abyss that is 515 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: central to Alien. It is the abyss, the cannibalizing black 516 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: hole from which all life comes, into which all life returns, 517 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: that is represented in the film as the source of 518 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: deepest terror. Significantly, there is an attempt in Alien to 519 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: appropriate the procreative function of the archaic mother to represent 520 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: a man giving birth, to deny the mother as signifier 521 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: of sexual difference. But here birth can exist only as 522 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: the other face of death. When one of the Alien 523 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: creatures orally rapes Kane, one of the male astronauts. It 524 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: implants its embryo in Kane's stomach, but the primeval mother 525 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: does not need the male as a father, only as 526 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: a host body. In the alien creature murderously gnaws its 527 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: way through Kane's belly. It's birth leads to the male 528 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: mother's death. The archaic mother is present in all horror 529 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: films as the blackness of extinction death. The desires and 530 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: fears invoked by the image of the archaic mother as 531 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: a force that threatens to reincorporate what it once gave 532 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: birth to, are always there in the horror text all pervasive, 533 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: encompassing because of the constant presence of death. I mean, 534 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of birth and death. Yeah, yeah, and 535 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: space is a great background to devote that against. And 536 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: we have to talk about the art. Yeah. Swiss artist H. R. 537 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: Guy Years design in this film is a huge component 538 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: of this whole conversation. This guy was big on very 539 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: bio mechanical sexual imagery and well versed. An expressionist German 540 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: horror painting by Francis Bacon called three studies for figures 541 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: at the base of Crucifixion, served for a lot of 542 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,959 Speaker 1: Geiger's inspiration when it came to the design of the alien, 543 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: or the xenomorph as it's called, and seriously check out 544 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: the painting and you will see it right away. The 545 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: resemblance is there. Bacon's work was an interpretation of the 546 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: Greek myth around the goddesses of vengeance that chase life 547 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: and the living. The furies, who we will be talking 548 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: about in an upcoming episode seems very appropriate for this 549 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: whole design. Geiger specifically wanted to take something that is 550 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: and long has been generally associated with pleasure sex and 551 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: turn it into something horrific. He had done something similar 552 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: in his collection of pieces called Necronomicon. Some of his 553 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: design were so overtly sexual that the studio turned them down, 554 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: which blows my mind because the ones that are in 555 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 1: there are pretty overtly sexual. Also, US Customs held Geiger 556 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: after seeing his artwork for Alien and being highly disturbed. 557 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: I think Ridley Scott somebody on the movie had to 558 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: come and be like, no, he's working, It's all good. 559 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: The first version of the Egg, the egg that the 560 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: face Heecker comes out of, it had one slit for 561 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: the opening, and Rudley Scott allegedly l old ways thought 562 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: because he thought it looked exactly like a vagina. Back 563 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: to the drawing board and the opening became the X 564 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: that were more familiar with today. And the fully grown 565 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: alien is very phallic and designed both its head and 566 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: the little dude that pops out of his mouth and yes, 567 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: pews acid, sort of like semen um. Some say it 568 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: combines both the phallic and the vaginal. Roger Ebert once wrote, 569 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: Alien uses a tricky device to keep the alien fresh. 570 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: Throughout the movie. It evolves the nature and appearance of 571 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: the creatures, so we never know quite what it looks 572 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: like or what it can do. The first time we 573 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: get a good look at the alien as it burst 574 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: from the chest of poor Cane, is unmistakably falicon shape, 575 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: and the critic Tim Dirk's mentions it's open, dripping vaginal mouth. 576 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: M also forgot to mention about ash he spews all 577 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: the semen asks stuff because he drinks. It's not milk, right. 578 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: I originally thought it was milk because I was like, 579 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: what he actually I've read if you pay attention to 580 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: the whole movie, he never eats our drinks. He's just 581 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: kind of there, but he drinks the milk in that 582 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: one scene or the white substance. I thought it was 583 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: milk because I like, this is the Es of course 584 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: are drinking milk right like like out of nowhere. But 585 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: and then you start seeinghim sweat and you're like, oh, 586 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: something that that's not what that is? Um and trivia 587 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: shredded condoms were used for the aliens. Jaw tendons Um 588 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: also shouted condoms. Is it looks very much like the 589 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: thing that what's his name picks up right before he 590 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: gets murdered. It's like the shadded skin and alien um. 591 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: And then the slime, the alien slime is ky jelly, 592 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: lots and lots of k y jelly. Yeah, yeah, I 593 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: love that. Even even the props they used are pretty 594 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: sexually suggestive. And then the ship, the ship they discover 595 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: on l V four two six was pretty phallic in 596 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: shape and other parts of it resemble a giant womb. 597 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: When the explorers or you could say invaders enter the ship, 598 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: they are in suit that make them appear like their 599 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: sperm entering the vaginal opening in the ship. And yes, seriously, seriously, 600 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: uh you won't see it, I promise. Once inside, Kane 601 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: finds a womb slash tomb of alien eggs. Then came 602 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: the orm. In this case witnesses and egg open the 603 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: face hugger latches onto his face, transformed him into a womb. 604 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: The creature cannot be removed until it has deposited its seed, 605 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: and that is very violent rape. Um. And then the 606 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: victim is forced to carry the organism to term and 607 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: birth it. And even though it will kill the host 608 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: read even at the risk of the mother. Some also 609 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: see the scene of the alien person out of Kane's 610 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: chest as representative of the general male confusion and fear 611 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: around birth comes out of the stomach, lots of blood 612 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: by very violent exactly how it happened, um and uh 613 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: And every movie there is, I believe there's a scene 614 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: of like it's called the labyrinth, but it's supposed to 615 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: be like the fallopian tubes in the womb and the 616 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: labyrinth of a woman's body. Um. And most space movies 617 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: are seen, yeah, as male explorers entering the womb of space. 618 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: That has changed as we get more and more female representation, 619 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: But for a long time, Veronica Cartwright said of the set, 620 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: it was so erotic. It's big vaginas and penises. The 621 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: whole thing is like you're going inside some sort of 622 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: womb or whatever sort of viscerule. So there you go, 623 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: There we go. Um, we do have some more for you, 624 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: but first we have one more quick break forward from 625 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsoring. So I 626 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: was going to go into my theory, my personal theory, 627 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: which I believe forces the male viewer to think about 628 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: the impacts of sexual violence and being unable to abort 629 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: the resulting child, and anxieties about being forced to pay 630 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: for childcare. Because again, this is when Roe we Wade 631 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: is passing, women are getting more sexual agency, starting to 632 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: enter the workforce. I think it was a lot of 633 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: anxiety around it. Um, And I am again not the 634 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: only one who thought that, but I feel like we've 635 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: touched on a lot of the stuff that I that 636 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: was in my personal theory. Um. It's been in and 637 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of essays and books. It's been examined 638 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: as a parable about motherhood, a feminist allegory, and examination 639 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: of abortion. So yeah, So, Joseph Campbell wrote in his 640 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: book Primitive Mythology about Alien there's a motif occurring in 641 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: the certain primitive mythologies as well as in modern surrealist 642 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: painting and neurotic dream, which is known to folklore as 643 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: the tooth vagina, the vagina that cast rates. Yeah. Yeah. 644 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: The screenwriter himself, Dan O'Bannon, said he wanted to make 645 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: male audience members confront the realities and horrors of sexual 646 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: assault and rape, the fear of force, pennetration, and pregnancy. 647 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: And yes, I've said it before, I say it again. 648 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: One of my personal theories is that most horror movies, 649 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: all to a lee, are about fears of something about women, 650 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: usually administruation or pregnancy, our sexuality in general. That's just me. 651 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: Film blogger Flick philosopher founder Mary Anne Joe Hansson told broadly, 652 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: do men really require a science fiction scenario to understand 653 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: how horrific unwanted violation of the body is? Maybe if 654 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: our culture treated male and mail rape like the horror 655 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: it is, men wouldn't need to turn to science fiction 656 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: movies to understand the problem. Even if some men require 657 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: such a prompt for their empathy, the Alien franchise still 658 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: isn't one that offers much in the way of true 659 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: access to women's relationships with rape, and I do think 660 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: it is. It's interesting that for women Alien is frightening, 661 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: but we do have to deal with this fear a 662 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: much more real and regular way than men do. So 663 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: all of the thought pieces are not all of them, 664 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: but a lot of them are. Like it makes men 665 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: face the truths of sexual violence, but it totally ignores 666 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: like women um or men that have dealt already with 667 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: sexual violence like this will this will really scare them 668 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: in Yes, they're only really petrified by women power, blood, 669 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: specifically administration and child our thing and then then being penetrated. 670 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: I guess to be fair, yes, that's petrifying in the 671 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: penetration part. Y'all not. I don't know about everything else. 672 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: Who knew that so much? We would have so much 673 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,399 Speaker 1: to say, mostly me would have so much to say 674 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: about Alien. I've been ready. After you started writing, I 675 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, here we go, and I cut out 676 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: two pages two pages. Um. I would love for anyone 677 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: else who has strong thoughts about really any movie, but 678 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: any horror movie and Alien. UM. I would love to 679 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: hear from from all of you. I am. I'm loosely 680 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: toying with the idea of doing like a spoiled Saturday. Yeah. 681 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: I think it'd be a great idea where we do 682 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: more recent horror movies because they're has been a lot 683 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: of I think movements in horror movies lately when it 684 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: comes to feminism are a lot of interesting things to 685 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: be said, right And definitely people are understanding a lot 686 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: of these kitchy things that have been happening, specifically towards 687 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: females and the female protagonists or even into antagonists. I 688 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: guess um they're starting to kind of trying to flip 689 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: that on this head. Think it's really interesting. I do too, 690 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: And kind of going off of that, I did want 691 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: to say that I'm going to be on Movie Crush, 692 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: which is another podcast on our network hosted by Chuck 693 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: Bryant of Stuff you Should Know once for the Slasher edition, 694 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 1: where I will be talking about some of those movies 695 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: that turn things upside down because those are some of 696 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: my favorites that play with all of the tropes. And 697 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: then I will be on it again in November and 698 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: I have to pick my my movie, but maybe I'll 699 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: do Alien because I've already done all of the research 700 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: is already started there. Yep, yep, yep um. And then 701 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: we did want to shout out um a listener who 702 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: wrote in um, Kathy, she wrote a few episodes ago 703 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: you asked listeners to give you names a podcast with 704 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 1: lady host, I happen to host one. My husband and 705 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: I are the host of a little known podcast called 706 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: patron Saints of Pop Culture. We discussed the themes of 707 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: recent movies and TV shows mostly, but we will also 708 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: occasionally discuss video games and music videos. Since we were 709 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the spooky season, our recent episodes 710 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: have been on horror movies. We thought that was a 711 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: perfect one to shout out for this episode and then 712 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: just to one more because of the nursery that is 713 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: happening and all of it. Um. Black Girl Nerds is 714 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: also one that you should I'm sure people have already 715 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: started looking at, but like that would be one more 716 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: to catch in if you want to go deeper into 717 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: the nerd. Um oh yes, I do, clearly, clearly. UM. 718 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: I really am so happy that we got to do this. 719 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: I hope that listeners enjoyed it, at least as a 720 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: little bit m since I did. Look, I just watched 721 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: it it and I know you're a fan, and I 722 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Um. And this actually was a part of 723 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: a while ago we had this idea for something called 724 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: Feminist Movie Fridays and would be once a month and 725 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: we would look at all they were all horror movies 726 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: because that's just how I am. Well, I'm putting Heathers 727 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: in there, obviously, because you know, I've already discussed Yeah, 728 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: we've already discussed the fight that you need to watch this, um. 729 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: But to put in there as a maybe, I don't 730 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: know how well that's fair. That's always a scary thing. 731 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: I have so many movies that were my favorites when 732 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: I was a kid, and now I watched them and 733 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: I just I can't even do right, even like with 734 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: shows that that we're just recently, I was watching some 735 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: of a Dirty Rock and that really hasn't held up either, surprisingly, 736 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: and you would think because it wasn't that long ago, 737 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: and at that point in time, it was getting into 738 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: the trend of like being feminist and being a writer, 739 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: a head writer and what that looks like. And it's 740 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: still kind of like, oh, things have moved pretty quickly, 741 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: right are um. But we would love to hear from listeners. 742 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: If you have recommendations for our next Feminist Movie Friday, 743 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: throw them into the ring. You can email us at 744 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 1: Stuff Media, mom Stuff at I heart media dot com. 745 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast 746 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks 747 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard Andrew, and 748 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You 749 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: his prodction of I Heart Radio's House Step Works for more. 750 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: Podcast from my Heart Radio is the iHeart Radio app, 751 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,720 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.