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Speaker 1: I'm back here today. Got a lot to talk about. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Summer Slam was this weekend. I presume that was talked
Speaker 1: about in depth yesterday. But last night night was the
Speaker 1: raw after Summer Slam, which was significantly better than the
Speaker 1: Raw after WrestleMania. They had a great, great show last
Speaker 1: night and it's set up a ton of stuff for
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Speaker 1: all of the news the Luca Brothers likely leaving AEW,
Speaker 1: likely heading to WWE. Nothing is official until it is,
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Speaker 1: Tony Kahan talking more about Shane McMahon keeps talking about
Speaker 1: Shane now, Brian Danielson talking about Shane McMahon, talk about
Speaker 1: NXT's move to the CW. We got ratings for this
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Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live like
Speaker 1: simper vv also Wrestling Observer dot com. Yes, I have
Speaker 1: returned finally.
Speaker 3: Did you miss it?
Speaker 1: Depends? I always miss part of it.
Speaker 3: Here on Friday, I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: What happened on Friday.
Speaker 3: Oh nothing, nothing, nothing in the news that I didn't
Speaker 3: want to cover that I ended up having to.
Speaker 1: Cover that that happens every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we got talking about the It does happen
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 1: The Luta bros. Maybe leaving AW, it says here Brian Alvarez, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's me, is reporting the internal belief within AW both
Speaker 1: pent and Ray Phoenix will be leaving the company for
Speaker 1: WWE when their contracts expire.
Speaker 3: Wait a second, Wait a second. So we're saying, for
Speaker 3: once on this show, we can tell the people. Brian
Speaker 3: Alvarez reported this.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what you can tell the people if you
Speaker 1: want to, all right, you can tell the people that
Speaker 1: the belief within AW is they're leaving, and this is
Speaker 1: from multiple people, and until they leave, until they sign
Speaker 1: with WWE, nothing is official. I can't tell you one
Speaker 1: hundred percent they're going to WWE, but it is believed
Speaker 1: that they are leaving, and it is most likely the WWE. Well,
Speaker 1: how can I say this? We don't know, obviously, and
Speaker 1: you know, you can't negotiate with the other side at
Speaker 1: this point. But there have been several eluchadors that have
Speaker 1: gone to WWE of late, you know, Andrade has gone back,
Speaker 1: Dragon Lee has gone to WWE. Santo's Escobar is obviously
Speaker 1: with w w E. Raymis Terio has been there for
Speaker 1: years and they are making a lot of money. And
Speaker 1: pent in particular is forty years old and he wants
Speaker 1: to make a lot of money. Now maybe AW is
Speaker 1: gonna throw a lot of money at him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but people there under the impression that they are leaving,
Speaker 1: and we'll find out soon enough. They've been there since
Speaker 1: the very beginning, and you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: much they really care about getting pushed. Getting pushed is
Speaker 1: more important for some people than for others. You know,
Speaker 1: A great example is you know, Shinsky, Nakamura, Okada. Actually
Speaker 1: the best recent example is Okada. Okay, why did Okada
Speaker 1: go to AW because they paid him seven figures and
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do anything, okay, so he's happy
Speaker 1: as a clam. Is he sad that he's not in
Speaker 1: the world title scene wrestling? You know, he doesn't care.
Speaker 1: He's done that and now he's making his money. And
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the Lucha bros, they want
Speaker 1: to make their money, and WWE is thrown around a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and we shall see what happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: there could be other aspects of it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the Lucha Bros. I mean they're there,
Speaker 1: you know, they win titles every now and then they
Speaker 1: you know, get hurt and disappear and come back. I mean,
Speaker 1: where are they now compared to where they were five
Speaker 1: years ago? They were They're in the exact same spot.
Speaker 1: And you know, there are certain people in AW that
Speaker 1: are in a much better spot now, but there's also
Speaker 1: a lot of people in AW that are exactly where
Speaker 1: they were five years ago. And I talked about this
Speaker 1: a while back. I mean, you know this idea where
Speaker 1: everybody goes one direction. For a while, it was like
Speaker 1: everybody's going to WWE to AW, and I said, the
Speaker 1: day will come when people start going the other way.
Speaker 1: And we've seen people choose WWE over AW. There will
Speaker 1: be more. Obviously there will be some that will go
Speaker 1: to uh, you know AW as well. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the update. Luca Bros. Probably heading to WWE.
Speaker 3: I really don't have anything to add on that, although
Speaker 3: right now would be the best time for them to
Speaker 3: go now, wouldn't it With WWE being as strong as
Speaker 3: they are and throwing around the money that they they have,
Speaker 3: and I you know, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 3: those guys, so I don't know what's in their mind
Speaker 3: as far as what they want to do. But they're
Speaker 3: not getting any younger, that's for sure. In WWE, you
Speaker 3: don't have to do what you can do in aew
Speaker 3: and what is somewhat expected of you when it comes
Speaker 3: to the fans. So if it's time just to have
Speaker 3: a bunch of moments where you know, he's not worried
Speaker 3: about being booked on Rustlemania, but if he's hanging out
Speaker 3: with George Kittle and doing different things like that, maybe
Speaker 3: Penta will be happy. I don't know, but I mean
Speaker 3: right now is as good of a time as any,
Speaker 3: considering they're both healthy, which is always an issue when
Speaker 3: it comes to especially Phoenix.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: The other other thing to think about is, especially if
Speaker 1: you're looking to make some money. Do you know how
Speaker 1: much these two men will make unmerchandised sales in WWE masks, shirts,
Speaker 1: Penta's glove, I mean they will make a killing.
Speaker 3: Brian to be fair, to be fair, to balance that
Speaker 3: out a little bit. The only guy who's made real
Speaker 3: money off a mask in the last twenty years in WWE,
Speaker 3: the only guy that they've actually pushed to a level
Speaker 3: that people wanted to buy their merchandise, and that's Ray
Speaker 3: Mysterio Junior. And if you are a fan of these guys'
Speaker 3: matches and their catalog, make sure that you have all
Speaker 3: that if they do decide to go to WWE, because
Speaker 3: they won't be working like that, and it's possible that
Speaker 3: they do end up in an LWO or something like that,
Speaker 3: and they had and it's very possible that as characters
Speaker 3: they spin wheels, because that's what it's been for everybody
Speaker 3: else that's gone there. Now if i'm WWE, of course,
Speaker 3: I mean it's Penta and Phoenix. Look at Penta in
Speaker 3: that mask. Look at the obviously the kittle thing which
Speaker 3: they will play into. If they don't sell those masks,
Speaker 3: then they're absolute idiots. But to jump in and say,
Speaker 3: well boy, they're gonna make a lot of money off
Speaker 3: of merch they should make a lot of money off
Speaker 3: of me. But nobody has who's been in that position,
Speaker 3: with the exception of Raymistereo.
Speaker 1: Well and the Fiend. That guy sold a ridiculous amount
Speaker 1: of masks.
Speaker 3: I understand that I'm talking abouts.
Speaker 1: Not well, we haven't really had a lot of masked
Speaker 1: Lucidors with the exception of Dragon Lee, and I don't
Speaker 1: know is done.
Speaker 3: But also look at how they have treated those luchadors too.
Speaker 3: When it comes to merchandise. It's not like you see
Speaker 3: a bunch.
Speaker 1: Of Actually, bro listen, there is a ton of l
Speaker 1: w O merchandise and they sell a ton of merchandise.
Speaker 1: Like I know, yes, when Vince was around, they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything with the Mexicans, and yes you can you
Speaker 1: can say, well where's Dragon Lee been? But if you
Speaker 1: look at, like, you know, how it is now as
Speaker 1: compared to before. I mean, they've done a lot with
Speaker 1: the LWO. They've done a lot with Andrade since coming back,
Speaker 1: not as much as you know, maybe he was doing
Speaker 1: actually I don't even know he was doing better than
Speaker 1: hey w to be honest with you. I mean he's
Speaker 1: probably doing that Best of Seven with Carmel. And they
Speaker 1: are treating the luchador significantly better now than they ever have.
Speaker 1: And we'll see, I mean, we'll see Roman Reigns returns
Speaker 1: on Friday to SmackDown. So they're looking to boost those
Speaker 1: numbers and really There isn't much time left for SmackDown.
Speaker 1: This is the final month of SmackDown on Fox. They're
Speaker 1: going to be moving to the USA Network early and
Speaker 1: Roman Reign is going to be there and we'll find
Speaker 1: out if he's doing anything on the Berlin Show. I
Speaker 1: guess we'll find out what his next match is going
Speaker 1: to be. But he's gonna be back on Friday, and
Speaker 1: it should be the best SmackDown number, even against the
Speaker 1: Olympics in quite a while. SmackDown actually did fine against
Speaker 1: the Olympics last week. It was actually up from the
Speaker 1: week prior. Collision, Oh my god, Collision got murdered on
Speaker 1: Saturday night. They moved early, and according to Brent and
Speaker 1: Thurston here, Collision did one hundred and eighty nine thousand
Speaker 1: viewers whoa and a point eight in eighteen to forty
Speaker 1: nine I believe. I mean, the Rampage number was the
Speaker 1: lowest Rampage number of all time. So if you remember
Speaker 1: like Rampage being moved to like two o'clock in the
Speaker 1: afternoon on the West Coast or whatever, the Rampage in
Speaker 1: its normal time slot last Friday did the lowest number
Speaker 1: they have ever done. And I have to check but
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't. I mean, I think, by far,
Speaker 1: nine thousand viewers is the least number of people that
Speaker 1: have ever watched any aw show all time ever. So
Speaker 1: they got brutalized Saturday night. Back in a moment with
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Speaker 1: Back here in the show Bryan Alvarez here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan commented on his meeting with Shane McMahon during
Speaker 1: a recent interview with ESPN Radio. He was asked about
Speaker 1: it on the Sodano and Cap Show, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: as I understand, he's not doing anything with WWE, and
Speaker 1: I had a really nice visit with him. I had
Speaker 1: heard from a lot of people that he was interested
Speaker 1: in talking and it became, frankly, a big media story
Speaker 1: to the point where I was getting asked on the
Speaker 1: record questions about it, and I answered them and just
Speaker 1: like I'll answer you now. I had never met him
Speaker 1: in advance of my first conversation with him. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz about this, so I thought it
Speaker 1: would certainly be worth talking. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for him. I had never met him, but he
Speaker 1: seemed like a really nice guy. I sat down with him.
Speaker 1: He was fantastic. I really enjoyed talking to him, and
Speaker 1: he is a very smart person about wrestling, and I
Speaker 1: thought he was a great guy. And we have a
Speaker 1: lot of mutual friends, and we both happened to be
Speaker 1: in Dallas. A mutual friend linked us up who was
Speaker 1: one of the bigger names in pro wrestling, God, and
Speaker 1: that friend put us on a group chat. We were
Speaker 1: both in the same town at the same time. He
Speaker 1: then stayed it. He then stated, yes, the picture that
Speaker 1: leaked online leaked was taken by someone who just quote
Speaker 1: busted it in and took a photo, busted it. So
Speaker 1: we said busted it in somebody, he said, in the
Speaker 1: middle of talking at an airport conference room. Somebody just
Speaker 1: busted in I guess and took a photo. But I
Speaker 1: think that's fine. Oh yeah, I bet there's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with a couple of people getting together and talking about wrestling.
Speaker 1: I think that's part of what makes wrestling so great
Speaker 1: is there is a lot of talk, and we're all
Speaker 1: fans at heart.
Speaker 3: Everybody talks too much.
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson would be open to working with Shane McMahon
Speaker 1: again if Shane ends up coming to AW. He did
Speaker 1: an interview and said, I'm open to working with anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't have beef with anybody, so yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: He said he doesn't have any inside information on what's
Speaker 1: going on between AW and Shane, and if he did,
Speaker 1: he would not disclose it publicly.
Speaker 9: Anyway.
Speaker 1: It was interesting because Tony mentioned to me after the
Speaker 1: photo had come out. He said, oh, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to tell you this before, but I met with
Speaker 1: Shane McMahon. I didn't say this, but I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. The picture was everywhere. Although to be fair,
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of a lot of things because I
Speaker 1: don't go on Twitter and I don't go on social
Speaker 1: media and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Smart man.
Speaker 9: So that's the story. That's the story.
Speaker 3: It is a story.
Speaker 9: It's a story, all right.
Speaker 3: Although it is completely believable to me that a fan
Speaker 3: would hear that Shane McMahon and Tony Connor in the
Speaker 3: same place and kick opened a door at an airport,
Speaker 3: considering the ass that these people show on a regular
Speaker 3: basis with wrestlers at the airport.
Speaker 1: He took that picture and they went running.
Speaker 3: Now Tony was like, uh yeah, uh oh boy.
Speaker 9: Yeah that's what happened.
Speaker 1: I was entertained by this story. So in SummerSlam they
Speaker 1: did that logan Paul Man and he lost to l. A.
Speaker 1: Knight and his foots under the ropes. Oh boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: they are going to follow up on that. He has
Speaker 1: filed a lawsuit. Okay, he's filed a lawsuit against LA
Speaker 1: Knight accusing him of civil theft willful property damage, which
Speaker 1: actually I can I can buy that when he stole
Speaker 1: that truck and destroyed it. So I mean that's that's okay.
Speaker 1: But my my favorite part of this is that his
Speaker 1: his lawsuit that he filed, he has a demand for
Speaker 1: a jury trial. I'm begging, I am begging for this
Speaker 1: to go to trial, and we can cover this every
Speaker 1: week on this program and on SmackDown as as we
Speaker 1: have courtroom footage. Have somebody outside the courtroom.
Speaker 3: My god, do we have any famous wrestling barristers we
Speaker 3: can bring in for.
Speaker 1: This a jury trial? Well, the barrister, I mean he
Speaker 1: doesn't work for WWE.
Speaker 3: Well that's yeah, the actual one. Rd Evans No, No,
Speaker 3: not him. We can't do that one, But is there
Speaker 3: anybody else we can bring in here?
Speaker 1: I mean, I not do it. NXT's going on the
Speaker 1: road to kick off its move to the CW. Shawn
Speaker 1: Michael's revealed on social media the October first premiere episode
Speaker 1: of NXT in the network will air live from the
Speaker 1: All State Arena.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: The brand will add to Saint Louis the following week,
Speaker 1: although he did not mention a venue. So actually, if
Speaker 1: if All Out ends up being in Chicago, that means
Speaker 1: WW is running NXT two weeks later. Two weeks later
Speaker 1: at the All State Arena, ce.
Speaker 3: Him Punk there. Randy Orton at the show in Saint Louis,
Speaker 3: So it's not going to be a small venue. I
Speaker 3: don't think Randy's coming out to the community college. But
Speaker 3: be interesting to see how those shows are revealed and
Speaker 3: what their plan is going to be for that show.
Speaker 3: Are they going to return to the Performance Center mostly
Speaker 3: or are they going to run some smaller sized buildings.
Speaker 3: I wonder how that whole thing. It's gonna be interesting
Speaker 3: to see how this whole thing ends up evolving and
Speaker 3: playing out over time and what the ratings end up
Speaker 3: being on CW and how it's received.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they've got two weeks. Randy Orton's gonna be
Speaker 1: there in chicag in Saint Louis, c and Punk in Chicago.
Speaker 1: They've already now, they've already released their first thirty second
Speaker 1: ad five year deal with the ced W. My god,
Speaker 1: five years of NXT on the CW.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna have so much material.
Speaker 3: Dear God, Are you gonna start watching some of the
Speaker 3: other shows on the CW. No, of course, watch a little.
Speaker 3: No Penn and Teller.
Speaker 2: Now, I.
Speaker 1: Have seen that show a few times when it's someone
Speaker 1: that I liked, but.
Speaker 3: It's their number one rated show. If I'm not, I
Speaker 3: believe that.
Speaker 1: I believe that. The only thing, the only problem I
Speaker 1: have with the show is you got to trust those two.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Well, like you do it
Speaker 1: well I were talking about the Magic Show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you gotta trust them because like some guy does
Speaker 1: this big performance and then like you have to trust
Speaker 1: whether Penn and Teller actually figured it out or not.
Speaker 1: They're like, ah, you know, we.
Speaker 3: Know that one.
Speaker 1: It's like I missed out on millions because of this.
Speaker 1: But then every now and then they'll be like, you
Speaker 1: got us. It's like, really, is this all for show?
Speaker 3: If it's gotten executive producer, it's all for show.
Speaker 1: M all right? The latest on the g one, which
Speaker 1: is anyone watching all of it? Anybody?
Speaker 3: I'm a little behind.
Speaker 1: I think everyone is. I've watched so night eleven, Sanata
Speaker 1: beat Shingo, Nito beat Show to Umino, Zach Saber Junior
Speaker 1: beat Evil, Jake Lee beat Gabe Kid, Great o'conn beat
Speaker 1: Callum Newman. So Wednesday we have got the following matches
Speaker 1: in the B block Goto and David Finley, yu Uimuran,
Speaker 1: Red Narita, Yodas, Suji and hanare El, Fantasmo and Takeshta
Speaker 1: and Olag Bolton and Jeff Cobb. So that brings us
Speaker 1: to the final standings. At this point, Zach, Saber Junior
Speaker 1: and Evil are now tied with ten points each. Sonata's
Speaker 1: got eight, Nito's got eight, Gabe, Kid, Umino, Takagi, Great o'conn,
Speaker 1: Jake Lee all have six, Calum Newman's got four. In
Speaker 1: the B block, Jeff Cobb and David Finley are in
Speaker 1: the lead, followed by Uimura, Takeshta, Hanare, Red, Narita, go
Speaker 1: To Suji all with six points old Bolden Fantasma with four,
Speaker 1: So like, I don't think there's any way Suji's winning
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 3: It's possible, Actually, it's possible. I gotta see it's possible.
Speaker 1: But then you we're talking ta keshas non in the finals.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. How they're doing it this
Speaker 3: year is the winner of the regular block is going
Speaker 3: to get a bye. The number one person at the
Speaker 3: end of this thing, who's got the most points is
Speaker 3: getting a bye, and then two and three number the
Speaker 3: A Bloc two is gonna face B block three and
Speaker 3: vice versa. What so, Yes, there are going to be
Speaker 3: six people in play by the end of this thing,
Speaker 3: which is why Nayato being the IWGP champion and limping
Speaker 3: along here is you know, probably going to play into
Speaker 3: the end. Same thing when it comes to a couple
Speaker 3: of these guys like Suji, who's only at six points.
Speaker 1: Right, Thank god, I haven't been watching. I'd be so irritated,
Speaker 1: I know, and perhaps confused.
Speaker 3: No, that'll be at the end, but that's okay, explain
Speaker 3: it all to you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, say we got the text message you've
Speaker 1: been We'll do raw after the break.
Speaker 9: Let's see what we've got here.
Speaker 1: They were playing up a whose side is yon? With
Speaker 1: Roman having both Solo and Cody down. Okay, cool, I
Speaker 1: can't read these Before I read them, What was the
Speaker 1: point of that? Send me another text and explain what
Speaker 1: the point of that was.
Speaker 9: Let's see what we've got.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is there anything good in this today? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Give me Rush and the Beast Mortos
Speaker 1: as a tag team that I am all for. They
Speaker 1: should be the tag team champions and Kyle Fletcher Yeah, spears,
Speaker 1: says Brian will Tony play round with going to different
Speaker 1: places for special dynamites like the early days. I'm in Colorado.
Speaker 1: I would love an aw event at Red Rocks. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean they're not doing that now, but I mean, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna know.
Speaker 3: A lot more that money though, that's the problem with
Speaker 3: some we're exotic like that. That would look incredible and awesome,
Speaker 3: like one, logistically is it possible? And two do you
Speaker 3: want to spend that money right now?
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. Once the new TV deal comes in,
Speaker 1: we're gonna know a lot more. If it's if it's
Speaker 1: largely what it is now, I don't think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing a lot of that. If it's what I
Speaker 1: expected to be, which will be one point four times
Speaker 1: what they're getting now, Yes, exactly one point four times.
Speaker 1: They'll have a lot of money to throw around. So
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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about maybe the best raw of the year.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 3: Baldemore, Oh, that's why it helped.
Speaker 9: I don't know about that.
Speaker 3: You're pretty good.
Speaker 1: So uh, Ludvig guy's her news his gun there and
Speaker 1: he comes out and he's got a suit on and
Speaker 1: his belt and he looks like a million bucks and
Speaker 1: out comes Randy Orton, and Randy reminds him, I he said,
Speaker 1: A'm the reason you're the champion in the first place,
Speaker 1: because you won King of the Ring beating me. But
Speaker 1: you know what, my shoulders weren't down, and I will
Speaker 1: accept the referees decision is final. But you know what, everybody,
Speaker 1: including Triple H, knows that my shoulders were not down,
Speaker 1: and so I'm cashing in my rematch right now. He's
Speaker 1: going to face him for the title at the Bash
Speaker 1: in Berlin show and he vows to leeve the world
Speaker 1: heavyweight champion. So Gunther accepts the challenge. They go face
Speaker 1: to face and Gunther tells him nothing ever catches me
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and Randy says, that's fine. I don't
Speaker 1: want to catch you out of nowhere. I want you
Speaker 1: to see it coming they leave, there's no brawl. Two
Speaker 1: professionals gonna have a professional wrestling match for the World
Speaker 1: Heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 9: I thought this was awesome.
Speaker 3: You're not going to complain about the brand split or anything.
Speaker 1: Nope, don't care. Good because they never pushed it. It's
Speaker 1: like these people are on this show. These people are
Speaker 1: on that show, but they never say they can't go
Speaker 1: to the other show. They never say that when they
Speaker 1: face each other. It's once in a lifetime. So great,
Speaker 1: that's the way it should be.
Speaker 3: And it's going to be a show where they're going
Speaker 3: to be in Berlin anyway, so you're gonna have everybody
Speaker 3: all mixed and matched in all likelihood. And I do
Speaker 3: like the fact that they have announced this, gotten this
Speaker 3: out of the way, let's go with it.
Speaker 1: We add Seamus versus Ludwig Kaiser match was awesome. What
Speaker 1: the heck's going on with Seamus? Like this guy? I mean,
Speaker 1: he was always like good and everything like that, but
Speaker 1: like the older he gets, the better the matches are
Speaker 1: that he has. And it's mostly because he'll just beat
Speaker 1: the crap out of the other guy and get the
Speaker 1: crap beat out of him, and him and Kaiser just
Speaker 1: pounded on each other, and the finish was great because
Speaker 1: they're doing this striking battlers pounding on each other. And
Speaker 1: Seamus ends up hitting a clothesine off the post to
Speaker 1: the floor and he throws Kaiser in the ring, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden out comes Pete done with the shealey,
Speaker 1: and he tries to hit Seamus, but he misses and
Speaker 1: Seamus sends him into the announced table and then Seamus
Speaker 1: flies into the ring and everybody knows what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Distraction finish, Kaiser pins him, Nope, Seamus avoids it, kills
Speaker 1: this dude with a brogue knee, kills him with a
Speaker 1: brogue kick, pins him in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 9: It was awesome.
Speaker 1: So now we get Seamus and Pete Dunne coming up,
Speaker 1: which also should be great.
Speaker 3: You know what my big thought was coming out of
Speaker 3: that boy, This Intercontinental title picture could be really awesome
Speaker 3: because I like Kaiser, Seamus fits in that mix. Obviously,
Speaker 3: you got brawn there, you know, Elia Dragonoff is lurking
Speaker 3: around as well to Pete Dunn. You can have a
Speaker 3: lot of guys, you know, fighting over that title and
Speaker 3: making it something valuable. It's been with Gunther and Sammy.
Speaker 3: They did a great job with that. But those old
Speaker 3: days of people really mixing it up for it, I'm
Speaker 3: all about that.
Speaker 1: So then we had Damien Priest coming out and this
Speaker 1: guy is so over as a babyface and he's a
Speaker 1: great babyface, and he cuts his promo about how I
Speaker 1: watched my own documentary. I didn't realize what people thought
Speaker 1: about me. And you know what, you guys are my
Speaker 1: new family, and I you know, I'm not happy I
Speaker 1: lost the title, but I can win it back. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm unhappy about is I've disappointed my family,
Speaker 1: and my family.
Speaker 9: Was robbed of that title.
Speaker 1: Therefore, Finn get out here for a beating. And Finn
Speaker 1: appears on the big screen and he says, you know what,
Speaker 1: ain't I ain't coming out there tonight, But I got
Speaker 1: somebody who's gonna take you out tonight, and it's j D.
Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna wait until you're safe and comfortable,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna jump you from behind and stab
Speaker 1: you in the back over and over again. And up
Speaker 1: walks Carlito, JD Live and Dom. They're all laughing. The
Speaker 1: new Judgment day, Priest is furious and he storms to
Speaker 1: the back.
Speaker 3: This was an aesthetically great deal with Priest the entire time,
Speaker 3: rallying up the fans who responded to everything, and then
Speaker 3: the promo with everybody coming in at the end just
Speaker 3: to rub it in Priest's phase. I thought was awesome.
Speaker 1: And we had Peers on the phone and Bronson walks
Speaker 1: out and he goes, how come I beat Seamus last
Speaker 1: week and Seamus gets a match nine I got nothing,
Speaker 1: and pre says, well, you know the match was already signed,
Speaker 1: and so Bronson says, well, it's clear. If I want
Speaker 1: to get to the top, I got to create my
Speaker 1: own path and he walks out Shana and Lyra. This
Speaker 1: was like the only bad thing on the show. Actually no,
Speaker 1: there was actually another match that nobody cared about, but
Speaker 1: uh no real heat and then adiqu finish and then
Speaker 1: damage Control made the save.
Speaker 9: Yeah, this was pointless.
Speaker 1: Then we had Ivy Nile meeting with the Creeds and
Speaker 1: old Maxine walks up. She says and I quote, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen you for weeks, and the Creed brothers have
Speaker 1: been viciously attacking Tozawa and Oties.
Speaker 3: Howled with laughter.
Speaker 1: She gets dragged away by Gable. So they're playing up
Speaker 1: that Ivy Nile doesn't want anything to do with these heels.
Speaker 9: Just you wait.
Speaker 1: See him. Punk came out, He's all happy. Why is
Speaker 1: he happy? Well, he claimed that I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be out for nine months and I made it back five. Well,
Speaker 1: here we go anyway, So he wants to fight Drew.
Speaker 1: It's not splitting hers, he said, every time, tell me
Speaker 1: what I'm telling lies. So if you ask for people
Speaker 1: to tell you when you're telling lies, he's telling a
Speaker 1: lie here, and he told another lie later.
Speaker 3: You know you said the same thing and you respond
Speaker 3: kind of in this nevermind.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, hey, tell me what I'm telling lies? He
Speaker 1: told a lie. What's going on here?
Speaker 3: God's hitting you with lightning?
Speaker 1: That's something else. Oh okay. So then he calls out
Speaker 1: Seth or actually no, he calls out Drew, but Seth
Speaker 1: comes out instead and Seth no stupid outfit, no dancing.
Speaker 1: He wants to fight, and he's about to get in
Speaker 1: the ring, and all of a sudden, Drew shows up
Speaker 1: in the crowd, and Drew starts trolling both of these nerds,
Speaker 1: and they want to fight each other, but Drew's like
Speaker 1: going on and on, and then finally Drew he holds
Speaker 1: up the bracelet and now Punk can take no more
Speaker 1: and he bolts out of the ring. He chases Drew
Speaker 1: through the crowd, and then we had the greatest rob moment.
Speaker 1: Maybe in years, this would have only been better if
Speaker 1: Seth had been wearing a stupid outfit. Seth is alone
Speaker 1: in the ring because Punk has gone after Drew. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he is blindsided by Bronson. Bronson runs
Speaker 1: this dude over. Seth tries to fight back. Bronson kills him.
Speaker 1: He hits two sentans and then he lays him out
Speaker 1: and he goes up and he crushes him with the tsunami,
Speaker 1: and then he gets up and he starts climbing again,
Speaker 1: and he gets to the top and he hits a
Speaker 1: second tsunami. So now all these nerds come down to
Speaker 1: try to save Seth. He's been tsunami twice. And they
Speaker 1: pull Bronson out of the ring and they're they're bringing
Speaker 1: him up the ramp, and all of a sudden, Bronson
Speaker 1: makes a break for it and he runs down to
Speaker 1: the ring and he starts climbing, and all the dudes
Speaker 1: are looking up like, oh no, like tending to Seth.
Speaker 1: Bronson doesn't care. He jumps and they all go running
Speaker 1: and he crushes Seth a third time. He tsunamied him
Speaker 1: a third time. Now the crowd's like, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: They're chanting, this is awesome. So he jumps up and
Speaker 1: he starts climbing again. He hits a fourth one. Now
Speaker 1: the place is going crazy. He goes up a fifth time.
Speaker 1: He hits a fifth tsunami. So by the fifth tsunami,
Speaker 1: like the crowds just they're chanting. One more time, so
Speaker 1: he goes up a sixth time. He gives him a
Speaker 1: sixth tsunami, and Seth is spitting up blood. He's gagging,
Speaker 1: he's vomiting blood all over the place, and Bronson he
Speaker 1: tries one more time, but this time everybody grabs Seth
Speaker 1: and they pull his carcass out of the ring to
Speaker 1: save his life. This was so great. This was so
Speaker 1: great that, like, I think everyone's kind of liked Bronson
Speaker 1: Reid and everything like that, and you know he'll have
Speaker 1: good hoss matches and everything, but man, this was like
Speaker 1: this guy was a main eventor they turned him into
Speaker 1: a main eventor in one night, crushing this geek six times,
Speaker 1: and Seth is like, he is at the top, He's
Speaker 1: the top guy. And Bronson just ruined this dude. And
Speaker 1: I think Seth will probably be out for a little while.
Speaker 1: Played it up big, like it was a big time
Speaker 1: injury angle. He should be out for a wild cat,
Speaker 1: he should be out for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: Bronson was just the greatest here. This was awesome. So
Speaker 1: then they go to break. They come back and Pierce
Speaker 1: is trying to get an update and Punk walks up
Speaker 1: and he's screaming and he wants to know where Drew is.
Speaker 1: And Pierce says, I personally walked him out of the building.
Speaker 1: He's gone, he's not here tonight, and Punk says, I
Speaker 1: just want to talk to him. It's like, that's another one.
Speaker 1: You are telling a lie. You do not just want
Speaker 1: to talk to drewmic Attire. You want to murder him.
Speaker 1: So it's best that you guys are kept apart aop
Speaker 1: versus the New Day. It's another one here. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who could possibly care? They've been trying to build the
Speaker 1: feud for like three months, four months. Nobody cares about
Speaker 1: this feud at all now we're watching AOP in the
Speaker 1: New day, like, oh my god. And so it ends
Speaker 1: up with the heels. They just keep interfering, interfering, carrying
Speaker 1: Cross pushes Woods off the top. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: who should show up but Odyssey Jones. And Odyssey Jones
Speaker 1: shows up, and man, he destroyed these heels and AOP
Speaker 1: are big frickin' dudes, and he ruined these guys. It
Speaker 1: was incredible and double side sup, I mean everything. He
Speaker 1: looked like a million bucks.
Speaker 3: AOP is huge. And for those people who haven't seen
Speaker 3: Odyssey Jones and you have not in a long time,
Speaker 3: since he's been on the main roster for months and
Speaker 3: they haven't used him. He picks up one dude as
Speaker 3: r I guess or whatever and uh whatever, both of
Speaker 3: them under each arm, picks one up, then the other
Speaker 3: one up, then delivers the sidewalk slams. It was visually
Speaker 3: an incredible, incredible moment.
Speaker 1: So he looks awesome and then they go backstage later
Speaker 1: and Woods is like, I didn't even know you guys
Speaker 1: were friends. Cobe He's like, yeah, we were at the
Speaker 1: Performance Center together. I met him. I told him you
Speaker 1: were having problems with this final testimony or whatever testament,
Speaker 1: and and he came up to help, and you can
Speaker 1: see Woods is like, I don't need this dude's help.
Speaker 1: What have you got another friend for? But he smiles.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, this is a good storyline. He's about
Speaker 1: to snap. JD cut the best promo of his whole career,
Speaker 1: and he talked about Priest and he's had he's had
Speaker 1: like eight months of anger at Priest built up, and
Speaker 1: now he just cuts. He just slices and dices this guy.
Speaker 1: You didn't want me in your cool club. I was
Speaker 1: the only guy Finn would listen to. He listens to
Speaker 1: me before you. Now I'm gonna get my revenge because
Speaker 1: I'm in this group and you're out and I'm a
Speaker 1: champion and you've got nothing. It was awesome, aytow him down,
Speaker 1: an awesome true ruth.
Speaker 9: Whatever who cares got too much to talk about.
Speaker 1: Bron Breaker cuts the promo. It's gonna be him and
Speaker 1: Sammy Zain in a two out of three falls match
Speaker 1: next week, which I think very well could be two
Speaker 1: straight falls for bron Breaker. Then Damian Priest and JD.
Speaker 1: They had a bad finish when Finn ran in for
Speaker 1: the DQ, but this post match was great. Priest tries
Speaker 1: to beat these guys up, but it's four on one.
Speaker 1: They're pounding him down the New Judgment Day. They're killing
Speaker 1: him and he finally goes for the edge, but Live
Speaker 1: makes the save, and so Priest and Liver are going
Speaker 1: face to face and Dom Chop locks Priest and they're
Speaker 1: beating on him, and all of a sudden, Rio Ripley's
Speaker 1: music hits place goes crazy and she grabs Live and
Speaker 1: she's destroying her. She goes to power Bomber through the table,
Speaker 1: but Dom makes the save and they go running, and
Speaker 1: then in the ring, Priest is like he's still getting
Speaker 1: beaten down. So Riha gets in the ring and JD
Speaker 1: goes face to face with her and she ends up
Speaker 1: boom meeting him with a head butt. He stumbles backwards.
Speaker 1: Priest hits him with this gigantic South of Heaven. This
Speaker 1: building is shaking, and then Rhea and Priest do the
Speaker 1: big hug and everybody's going crazy.
Speaker 9: This was awesome.
Speaker 3: They gotta do Rha and Tom. I know they don't
Speaker 3: like the man woman thing, but come on Ria against
Speaker 3: Dom please.
Speaker 1: We had Eo Sky and Sonya Deville eo onon that
Speaker 1: the Heels had beaten up to kodabackstage. I was told
Speaker 1: is not hurt. I was immediately thinking she'd torn her
Speaker 1: acl again, but she did not. And then the main
Speaker 1: event was Joe Gacy, Dexter and the Vintnor against Chad
Speaker 1: Gable and the Creeds. And it was a fine match.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was no magic, there was no hocus pocus.
Speaker 1: The Babyfaces beat up the Creeds, they pinned Gable. Everybody
Speaker 1: was happy like it was a good little segment. We
Speaker 1: can talk more about after the break Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper viv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: So yes, that was a quite enjoyable edition of Monday
Speaker 1: Night Raw. Hell, we gotta follow up SmackDown coming up
Speaker 1: on Friday with Roman Rains. He's gonna be on the show.
Speaker 1: And we know anything else, but I do know, I
Speaker 1: do know tonight is a great American bash Knight too.
Speaker 1: We have got ethan Page versus Oromnsa, my main man
Speaker 1: Oro Mensa for the next TA title, Nathan Frazer an
Speaker 1: Acient versus Wes Lee, and Zach Wentz. That could be
Speaker 1: a title change Colonniey Jordan versus Tatum Pack next to
Speaker 1: Women's North American title. Joe Hendry versus Joe Coffee Battle
Speaker 1: of Joe's. Do you realize the guy's name is Joe Coffee?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. They should have a cup for that.
Speaker 3: It could be the Coffee the Joe Cup.
Speaker 1: Joe Coffee is his name, yes.
Speaker 3: And then he can win it and it could become
Speaker 3: the Coffee Cup. But his name is Joe. There's all
Speaker 3: of these coffee meanings here. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Trick Williams versus Pete Dunn and Kendall Gray versus Wren
Speaker 1: Sinclair they booked for us I think they did. And
Speaker 1: then tomorrow on Dynamite we have Brian Danielson Jeff here
Speaker 1: No d e Q with Ricky Steamboat as a special
Speaker 1: guest referee. I like that MGF versus Kyle Fletcher in
Speaker 1: a title eliminator, and Shamata versus Brian Keith because Brian
Speaker 1: seeks revenge for his broken face against the man who
Speaker 1: broke his face by threatening to break his face. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we back tomorrow with more, everybody. I'll be back tonight
Speaker 1: Brian and Me and Granny and Craig and Shawn show.
Speaker 1: Prime Time wrestling will be covered tonight. That'll be a
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