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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecop three and Out podcast,

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Speaker 1: February Rock and Roll. Big news of the day, which

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Speaker 1: we will dive into off the top is our star

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Speaker 1: quarterback in Seattle, Well not hours, but just the the

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Speaker 1: star quarterback in Seattle, Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll. Articles coming out.

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Speaker 1: We got some stuff going on. I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: thoughts there. Uh, there was a good article. I actually

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Speaker 1: saw a couple of interesting articles. I thought this week.

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Speaker 1: Wickersham had a big article on the NFL, p A

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Speaker 1: and the NFL, and a couple of things jumped out

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Speaker 1: to me there another article on the negotiations, how they're

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Speaker 1: in the two minute warning for the new TV deal.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things jumped out to me there on

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Speaker 1: some of these net works and where football is kind

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Speaker 1: of headed. Uh, some Tiger Woods related. I have a

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Speaker 1: thought on maybe why I was such a big fan

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Speaker 1: and how there are a lot of parallels with the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Some other just little news could going around. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the drama going on right now in Seattle, and

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Speaker 1: let's face it is big as the Deshaun Watson's story

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Speaker 1: is this one feels bigger. Russell Wilson's won a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: He's been to another. Seattle is become one of the stalwarts,

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Speaker 1: the powerhouses, the major franchises in the You know, this

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Speaker 1: country's number one sport and that's football. Seattle Seahawks in

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Speaker 1: the last decade of probably been a top three or

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Speaker 1: four franchise. You know, you'd say New England of the

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Speaker 1: last decade was number one. I I think you could

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Speaker 1: make a sound argument Seattle was number two. We can

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Speaker 1: nitpick that all day long, but you get the point.

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Speaker 1: It's a big fucking deal. Bottom line, it's the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback that Listen, We've all seen countless documentaries

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Speaker 1: on bands, on major companies, on basically major breakups, famous people,

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Speaker 1: uh that have these huge public lives, and I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking, like, what do they all have in common?

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Speaker 1: It does feel like most of them go their separate

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Speaker 1: ways or have issues because of ego and what usually

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Speaker 1: encompasses that, right, money or power. And you can argue

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Speaker 1: with power comes money. Well, I think when you look

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Speaker 1: at this situation, like we've all fought in our normal

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Speaker 1: lives and our normal jobs and our normal relationships, like

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Speaker 1: you have disagreements. Welcome to the real world. People disagree

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Speaker 1: every day. I mean I could drive down to McDonald's

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Speaker 1: be happy with someone that didn't pull, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: a lane fast enough. We have disagreements with people were

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Speaker 1: not even talking to let alone. People were talking to

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Speaker 1: our wife, our business partner or boss, unemployee whatever. That

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Speaker 1: is human nature and not out of the REALWN possibility.

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Speaker 1: And then when you factor in competitive jobs right Wall Street,

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Speaker 1: lot of contention, people butt heads again, not abnormal. If

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Speaker 1: you're not having that, I I think you're either you're

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Speaker 1: in denial or you're not successful. Now there is a

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Speaker 1: point where you you do you draw a line in

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Speaker 1: the sand, and the two people look at each other,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a football team, whether it's a marriage, whether

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Speaker 1: whether it's a business partnership, and say do we have

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Speaker 1: to go our separate ways? Because in this situation you'd go, well,

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Speaker 1: it's not money. Money is not the reason. And I

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Speaker 1: think if you read that athletic article, Schefter tweeted that

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Speaker 1: out there, and not that Seattle is looking to trade him.

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Speaker 1: But let's let's call it what it is. Let's call

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Speaker 1: you know what, there's a fire in the fucking building. Now,

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Speaker 1: Is it a fire that's feels to be growing relatively

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Speaker 1: it's gonna burn down this quote unquote relationship. That's where

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's going. And it's all because of ego, right,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll who the last twenty years what I love

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Speaker 1: about social media? Everyone acts like pets the village idiot.

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Speaker 1: I watched him go to USC and kick the ship

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Speaker 1: out of everyone, absolutely dominate. Sorry for all the kids

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Speaker 1: Defense run game hits you directly square in the teeth.

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Speaker 1: As Russell got paid, and they had to skimp at

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Speaker 1: other places. And they've played quote unquote a more offensive

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Speaker 1: brand of football. Right, their defense just hasn't been as good.

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Speaker 1: when you've listened to me, check out USC I dominated.

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Speaker 1: Check out when you first showed up, and I built

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Speaker 1: the team the way I wanted to build it, we dominated. Remember,

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Speaker 1: or four years. Every Booker eater on Twitter is like

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Speaker 1: let Ross cook and listen. I am not a Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson Hayter in my lifetime. He's as just a consumer

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Speaker 1: Though I think the way some fans social media talk

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Speaker 1: I don't know a guy who's seven years old and

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Speaker 1: been coaching football for forty five years. Pete Carroll now

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Speaker 1: there's Russell where he goes, well, I'm a star. I

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Speaker 1: I've helped carry this team, not partly because of my

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Speaker 1: think I should have more juice. And clearly they're butting heads,

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Speaker 1: fix this? Well, typically in a situation, who was going

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Speaker 1: anyone necessarily to fix this problem unless these two men

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Speaker 1: in time. Probably Pete a little bit because he's an administrator,

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Speaker 1: teams at USC check his teams what he built in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: He does not like small players including the quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: not into it because he was so small. John talked

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Speaker 1: is history. But there Peach type players, Marshawn Lynch, Jamal Adams,

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Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, fuck DK Metcalf again. Excuse my language,

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Speaker 1: kids excited. He likes enormous blue chip guys. And Russell

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Speaker 1: is a better talent than he is. Like his physical attributes,

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if there's part of Pete that has

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Speaker 1: But I don't see how this situation gets solved. How

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Speaker 1: many seven year old men. I'm pretty sure Pete's like

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Speaker 1: with an unlimited amount of money, with countless pelts on

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Speaker 1: I don't even blame Russell for thinking that I am untouchable.

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Speaker 1: I am greatness. He ain't swallowing his ego and the

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Speaker 1: don't think the problem is fixable. Now. Do I think

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Speaker 1: that Seattle wants to trade Russell Wilson? Of course not.

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Speaker 1: Do I think though the more this goes, the more

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Speaker 1: Russell kind of puts this pr campaign out there of

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Speaker 1: Go Hawks, right, So he honestly, I'd respect more of

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Speaker 1: Russell if he just said I want out. People like Okay,

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Speaker 1: star player, just like I think Pete as a coach

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Speaker 1: was very very lucky to have drafted Russell Wilson and

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Speaker 1: let him become the quarterback right away and then blossom

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Speaker 1: into the star. But to act like one side of

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Speaker 1: an issue. They're both have unlimited amounts. Russell has more,

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Speaker 1: but pizza coach coaches don't even need to buy. Peachs

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Speaker 1: USC for a decade, now Seattle for a decade, big

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Speaker 1: time coin. I don't see how this is fixed. I

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Speaker 1: and I don't even think it's arguable that he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: mind leaving. He's ready for a change. That Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: would have sounded insane if I would have said that

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Speaker 1: a month ago. But you can see the way Russell

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Speaker 1: to get out but under no circumstances, look like a

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Speaker 1: don't actually need you to hand them the cash. They

428
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Speaker 1: just need you indirectly to get Amazon Prime, to get

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Speaker 1: your cable subscriptions, and give them your time, which indirectly

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Speaker 1: is giving them your cash. It's like I always say,

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Speaker 1: the reason these leagues Basketball included Baseball, the PGA Tour

432
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Speaker 1: whoever can have money, and the players get paid, the

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Speaker 1: coaches get paid. The people involved get paid are the fans.

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Speaker 1: The fans are the consumer. And even if you never

435
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Speaker 1: attend an NFL game the rest of your life, if

436
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: you consistently watch football every Sunday, you're more important to them.

437
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: They would rather have you do that than show up

438
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Speaker 1: in the second deck one million percent. And as long

439
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Speaker 1: as you keep doing that. But honestly, once the deal assigned,

440
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: this is where the NBA. The NBA signed their big deal,

441
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Speaker 1: so their ratings are down, it really doesn't matter now

442
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: it screws their partners, it does not screw them. Luckily

443
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: for the NFL, the partners no. Currently their product is

444
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: important and people do watch now. Could that change over

445
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: the next decade, You never know, But right now, once

446
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Speaker 1: this deal is signed, the NFL is gonna have a

447
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: lot more money coming in, and they already had a

448
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: boatload to begin with. Okay, let's get into one other

449
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: kind of business e topic, and it's somewhat rehashing old stuff.

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Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham, who's an excellent journalist, wrote a long article

451
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Speaker 1: about Demorris Smith, the nfl p A union lead lawyer.

452
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: I guess he's the just lead guy, and the negotiations

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Speaker 1: stemming back from two thousand eleven to where they're at now.

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00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: They just obviously completed it before the season as new

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Speaker 1: c B A, and just some of the inner workings

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Speaker 1: of their business. And on the most basic level, if

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Speaker 1: one of you listening right now wasn't negotiating against me,

458
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: and you're negotiating against me and only me, yet you

459
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Speaker 1: have ten partners, so it's one verse ten. I have

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Speaker 1: an advantage because the only person I have to answer

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Speaker 1: to and the only uh vision I have for whatever

462
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: we're negotiating right is mine, and I know what I

463
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: want and don't want at least at the time of

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Speaker 1: the negotiation. Were you speaking for nine people, including yourself,

465
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Speaker 1: makes it ten. Could be a lot of visions maybe

466
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: three guys think alike, but then everyone else is fractured.

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Speaker 1: It's difficult. It is always easier to negotiate with less

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Speaker 1: amount of people. So I'll never hold it against the

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Speaker 1: players that they just have a shipload of them. Can

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Speaker 1: excuse my language to the kids, I'm in I'm in

471
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Speaker 1: a I'm in an excited mood today, and there are

472
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Speaker 1: a lot of There are dramatically more NFL players than

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Speaker 1: even baseball man roster. Well, there's more than double the

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Speaker 1: amount of NFL players on an actual roster in season,

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Speaker 1: and then you talk about offseason fringe guys, practice squad guys.

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Speaker 1: It's more than that. You have a ton of players,

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Speaker 1: and like in all sports, but the NFL, you have

478
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Speaker 1: a large percentage of the workforce that does not make

479
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Speaker 1: that much money. In the NBA, for example, the average

480
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: salaries seven and a half million dollars. Most NFL players

481
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: are making closer to the minimum. I think the average

482
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Speaker 1: salaries a couple of million bucks. But like in the NBA,

483
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Speaker 1: like in the NFL, the power for rich players have

484
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Speaker 1: the most juice, right, So just on the most basic level,

485
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: you get and you don't have thirty two owners negotiating

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Speaker 1: against the players. Let's face it, you got two or

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Speaker 1: three that speak for them all. Jerry Kraft, maybe Ziggy Wolf.

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Speaker 1: Right there, there's a group of them, and they're not

489
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Speaker 1: going back and forth, right Mark Davis, Jed Yorke, whoever.

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Speaker 1: Some of the guys that they're just like Jerry, You

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Speaker 1: and you, we trust you. Keep the money flowing. We'll

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Speaker 1: keep cashing them checks with the players. If I'm a

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Speaker 1: fringe backup linebacker, my views for what I want in

494
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: the c b A are probably a lot different than

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, who remember, I think it was last year

496
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Speaker 1: in the off season when they were negotiating the CBA

497
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Speaker 1: and was getting kind of ugly over the off season,

498
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: notoriously said he wanted to cancel the off season. Well,

499
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Speaker 1: of course, one of the greatest players of all time

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Speaker 1: wouldn't need the off season. You know who needs the

501
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: off season? The majority of the league. Why they need

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Speaker 1: that to impress coaches, to try to learn the scheme,

503
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Speaker 1: to try to make the team. So everyone is gonna

504
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: come at it from different angles, you know who. I

505
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: don't blame for thinking that. I don't necessarily blame Aaron

506
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Speaker 1: because if I was in erin shoes, I wouldn't really

507
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Speaker 1: want to practice in you know, uh April either, Like,

508
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: what what am I really getting out of it? Now?

509
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: There's a team aspect to it. I get it. But

510
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Speaker 1: if you've got a big gass house in Malibu, do

511
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: you think I want to be in Wisconsin in uh

512
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: in early June? No? I don't. But so it's complicated.

513
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: It's not an easy job, and you always gotta be

514
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: at least cognitive or or you know, And wonder where

515
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Speaker 1: and what angle this article why it was written? And

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Speaker 1: I honestly don't know, because there are parts that made

517
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Speaker 1: d smith look good, they're part that made them look bad.

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Speaker 1: They're part that made the owners look bad. Regardless, one

519
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: thing that really jumped out to me, I think the

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00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: players did themselves as disservice. One element of this article

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Speaker 1: is the players argued that d Smiths compensation was too much.

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Speaker 1: They're arguing over billions of dollars. And if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: sign a c B A let's say for a decade.

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Speaker 1: If the NFL right now is a ten to twelve

525
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Speaker 1: to fifteen billion dollars a year business, if you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a decade, you not even factoring in it going

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Speaker 1: up every year. If let's just say, we'll just pick

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Speaker 1: a number ten ten billion dollars a year. If I'm

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Speaker 1: signing a ten year deal, and let's just say in

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Speaker 1: this world where it stays, you know, it does not

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Speaker 1: go up, which is not the case. But just for

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Speaker 1: mass sake, that's a hundred billion dollar deal. De Morris

533
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Speaker 1: Smith was paid one point I think a little over

534
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Speaker 1: one point six million dollars, and some of the people

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Speaker 1: in the executive committee did not want to give him

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Speaker 1: a million dollar bonus to take his compensation up to

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Speaker 1: two point six million dollars a year. I read flag

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Speaker 1: the players might take you, guys are morons. If I

539
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Speaker 1: am going into a ten billion dollar a year negotiation,

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00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: and like I said, a hundred plus billion dollar deal,

541
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Speaker 1: my lawyer better be making ten to fifteen million dollars.

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00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: You know who Listen. I don't claim to be like

543
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: super successful in business doing pretty well. Know some people

544
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: that are multi millionaires crushing it. The first thing they

545
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: always tell you, don't skip on accountant, skimp, and don't

546
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: skimp on a lawyer, because those guys can do things

547
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: for you that you can't do for yourself. And there's

548
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: a reason that the big time lawyers and the big

549
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: time accountants. When you roll into the nice neighborhoods and

550
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: the country clubs, they tend to have some of the

551
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: big houses in those neighborhoods because they're worth their weight

552
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: in gold. And the players were arguing over a million

553
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: dollars to a lawyer. To me GANE. Upshaw, who obviously

554
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: was a former player, made six for me to feel comfortable.

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00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: How did none of these players that make a ton

556
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: of money. They have a ton of powerful people around him.

557
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure have some powerful lawyers not realize you know,

558
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: what we need is a like a ten million dollar

559
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: lawyer to go into war with these men that have

560
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: unlimited resources and money. So the players did themselves a

561
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: disservice by not getting the best of the best. And

562
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: d Smith might be good. I mean, the owners claim

563
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: to love them, which is not an ideal thing. But

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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: to me, when I read that their their union chief

565
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: makes under two million dollars, I'm sorry I read flag

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Speaker 1: that thing because, like I talked about earlier this week,

567
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: money is all relative. And if we're talking billions of

568
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: dollars and basically well over a hundred billion dollars, that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna sign a deal, I better have an elite lawyer.

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Speaker 1: And guess what elite lawyers do. They cost a lot

571
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Speaker 1: of money and their guy doesn't cost enough for my liking.

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00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Would you like, what if I told you this? What

573
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Speaker 1: if I told you know, Aaron Rodgers, this your best

574
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, he's a million dollar player, your best uh safety,

575
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: million dollar player? They'd be like, what, we can't get

576
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: a blue chipper? Davanta Adams underpaid like fifteen million dollars.

577
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: Like your money in your industry does represent how good

578
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 1: you are eventually. Now, obviously guys on rookie contracts, but

579
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: there are no rookie contracts on you're hiring a lawyer.

580
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: You guys have big cash, hire the best of the best.

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00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: So they did themselves a disservice there. The other thing

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00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: I'll never forget, I think players, because the only thing

583
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: the owners have ever thought about is the money. They

584
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: do not care about practices, They do not care about

585
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: preparation time, They do not care about the off season.

586
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: Like we had just discussed with the business of the NFL,

587
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: is predicated off television product. As long as they play games,

588
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: no matter how you get to that game, you can

589
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: practice once you can practice ten times. They just need

590
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: the game to happen because they know right now there's

591
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: nothing lasts forever. As NBC would know, they just had

592
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: one of the greatest deals in American history. We just

593
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: need the game to happen. So however you get there,

594
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: we don't care if you take no snaps during the

595
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: week or take whatever. And the players were adamant, too

596
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: many double days, too many practices during the season, making

597
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: us where pads during the seasons. The owners were like,

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00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: have added d tell them all, no more paths during

599
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: the season, no more double days. I'll never forget. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand ten, when I was hired, my first year

601
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: was before the lockout, and that first year we had

602
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: double days. We had physical practices, and I vividly remember

603
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: do Staley love Deuce and you know, being an older guy, right,

604
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: and he was a young coach. It was his first year.

605
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Is like an intern coach. He's like, when I first

606
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: got here, our practice were way more physical. And I

607
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: remember people telling me coaches on the staff and scouts

608
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: on the staff, we have one of the more physical

609
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: practices in the league with coach read I mean running

610
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: goal line drills and I had come from pat Hill,

611
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: where pads were always on, so it just felt like

612
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: a real physical practice, right, It was legit, but I

613
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: think for NFL standards it was headed toward a you

614
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: know nowhere what it was, and like the nineties, right,

615
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: the following year is when the lockout happened, and when

616
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: finally the go ahead and the lockouts lifted and everyone

617
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: comes back. Double days were no longer allowed. And I

618
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: remember was my second year with the team, and usually

619
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: as a scout you go to all the practice training camp. Well,

620
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: with no more double days, the afternoon was a walkthrough.

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Speaker 1: We didn't even go because there was pointless, right, We

622
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: just stay in our room and work, and I just remember,

623
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: honestly didn't. I couldn't even fathom what was going on.

624
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is way easier for the

625
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: players than than the last year that I saw. All

626
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: the players are really happy. You know who the happiest though,

627
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: we're the owners, because they got way more money in

628
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: the deal. They traded money for that. And part of

629
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: the reason is that the players had a had a

630
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: union chief and a lead lawyer that just not highly

631
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: paid enough, Like you get what you pay for in life.

632
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: At the highest level, and you could argue even at

633
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: the lower levels. My dad always taught me this when

634
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: you go when you're buying something nice, I'll just use

635
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: a golf analogy. Like if you buy some used cheap

636
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: golf club for a hundred dollars instead of buying a nice,

637
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: brand new golf club for four you can't get mad

638
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: when that golf club snaps the cheap one in a month.

639
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: You can use the car analogy. What's more expensive when

640
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: you buy a used clunker because you're you're trying to,

641
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, keep some cash. When that car breaks down

642
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: in six months, when you could have spent five thousand

643
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: more ten thousand more got a newer car that would

644
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: have a warranty, you can't complain when you end up

645
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: spending more money for that. And now the players are

646
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: complaining they're not their fair share. Well, you guys traded

647
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: the wrong things. And the one thing the owners always

648
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: have is they only care about one thing. They don't

649
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: even care necessarily about the product, because they are arrogant

650
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: enough to think that fans and listen, all you guys

651
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: listening are clearly big football fans are never gonna stop watching.

652
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: And I know this like it. It pays my bills.

653
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: I haven't worked in the NFL since two and I've

654
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: made money for seven straight years because of the power,

655
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, predicated on talking about the sport, because the

656
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: sport's so popular. If I had worked in baseball instead

657
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: of football and been out of you know, baseball, I

658
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: would not have been able to do this did The

659
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: interest just would not have been there. I'm lucky, and

660
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people profit off this sport just because

661
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: it's so big, and no one profits born in these

662
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: owners and they know it. Okay, I want to talk

663
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: about Tiger for a second. He obviously gotten the terrible crash,

664
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's fair to say his legs are

665
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: pretty screwed up. He's in pretty bad shape. And one thing,

666
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: I I'm very jealous of a lot of you guys

667
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: that listen and shoot me d m s something that

668
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: I can't relate to anymore. Growing up, I was a

669
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: massive forty fan. I'm saying, just like any one of you,

670
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: whoever your team is, they were my squad. And then

671
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: as I worked in football and even through college, they

672
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: started sucking and I became probably more of just a

673
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: fan of the league and Peyton, Manning and Brady. But

674
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: then once I worked in football and ultimately got to

675
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: the league, it kind of left me my days of

676
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: being a fan. I'm numb to it and for the

677
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: last you know, five six years. But ever since I've

678
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: been in the podcast space with my other podcast with Guy,

679
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about forty and doing this, like,

680
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm very numbed who wins and loses? Even the Niners

681
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: now I make I care about the Niners. I just

682
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: need them to be interesting so I can profit. Ideally,

683
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: I love it when they make Super Bowl runs because

684
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: I can make more money. But it's become it's all

685
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: money related. My days of being tied as a fan

686
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: are died with football. I mean are absolutely dead. And

687
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: part of it is I know people in the league,

688
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: so you just root for them. And I'm like that

689
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: in life now when I meet someone and I become

690
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: friends with them or even acquaintances or hell we might

691
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: follow each other on Twitter, Instagram, if we go back

692
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: and forth, I'm just gonna root for you. Lucky enough,

693
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: in my position I get to know meet some of

694
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: these people. It's fucking cool. I'm still a fan of that,

695
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: but my my fan of the sport died. I don't

696
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: really deep inside even any of the sports, like the

697
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants, probably the last team I was a

698
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: fan of, and I really don't care anymore, partly because

699
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: I just hate Gabe Kapler and I missed Bruce Bocci,

700
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: like I can't even take the franchise that seriously anymore.

701
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Like I like the I'm I guess I would consider

702
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: myself a Warriors fan, but I'm only there because I'm

703
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: a Steph Curry guy. If you remove Steph Curry and

704
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: you brought in James Harden, I wouldn't care. I am

705
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: jealous of any fan out there now. I all my

706
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: friends are fans, like I still relate very well the fan.

707
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: I still like going to games and sitting in the stands.

708
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: At least I gained a love of that the last

709
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: couple of years because I hated sitting with the media

710
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: so stiff and honestly, when everyone when anyone says like

711
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: middle if he's a member of the media, honestly, it

712
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: makes me cringe. Like I maybe I once was, but

713
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I pay for tickets now, you know, I guess the

714
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: only thing I would get a credential now is go

715
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: to like a training camp the Niners and the Raiders,

716
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: and the Raiders eventually stopped letting me show up to theirs,

717
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: so I can only go to the Niners. And I

718
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: obviously I could travel around if I want to do

719
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: and go see other teams, which is cool. So I

720
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I guess I still have some media there, but that

721
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: if I go to a game, I'm not sitting with

722
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Speaker 1: the media. I'm gonna pay for a ticket. So I

723
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I I'm jealous of anyone who's a fan, and I

724
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: think I understood. In high school, I played football and

725
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: I played golf. I was not a good football player.

726
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I was a right guarden who who played you know,

727
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: started a little bit of senior year and played a

728
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: little bit on JV in and out of the lineup.

729
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: It was one five ten, not a great athlete, not strong.

730
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: We ran the wink tea. But I loved playing football,

731
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: loved it. All my friends played football, and it was

732
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: it's still it's awesome. It was some of my best

733
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: memories as a kid playing high school football, which I

734
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: can imagine many people listening that never made it past

735
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: high school football. It's a fucking blast, right, especially if

736
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: your friends are on the team. Even I think my

737
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: senior year, like five and five, it doesn't even matter,

738
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: at least it didn't for us. I mean, I like

739
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Daylys sud down the street from my my house right now.

740
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: It does. But I was way better at golf, and

741
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: I've always loved the sport of golf, and if you

742
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: follow me on social media, you know I like golf

743
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm a huge Tiger Woods fan. And I

744
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: was thinking, he's probably the last person before I became

745
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: numb to everything over the last decade that like still competed,

746
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: that I still have that high school, junior high version

747
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: of me that's still a fan of And when I

748
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: got the tweet and looked at the TV that I mean,

749
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: when I just saw the picture, I was hoping he

750
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: didn't die. And the information coming out there's legs are shat.

751
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to take an educated guest that

752
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: we might never see Tiger Woods competitively again, which sucks,

753
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: And honestly, I was I was pretty rattled when he

754
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: got into the car, and it's like, I don't know

755
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: the guy, right, I mean, we would probably never be friends.

756
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope if we met, we'd be cool.

757
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's a big Raider fan. I

758
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: definitely can talk Raiders with him, but I never met

759
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: the guy stood next to him in a bathroom once,

760
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: partly because I was at for the Pebble Beach pro

761
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: am he was putting at Monterey Peninsula Country Club. He

762
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: went in to take a leak and like me and

763
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: my cousin waited like five seconds and a couple other

764
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: guys and like follow them into the bathroom. No eye contact,

765
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: but uh, we're about five feet away. That was cool. Uh,

766
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: But I understand, Like, yeah, and I think the media

767
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: consistently ships on fans because you become numb to it,

768
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: you you lose that. And luckily, like I'm not friends

769
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: with media people. My friends are normal people. My friends

770
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: are season ticket holders with the Raiders when they are here,

771
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: definitely with the forty nine now. And I understand it

772
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: because like it feels like Tigers over and it sucks,

773
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: like it's pretty devastating. And I also think he has

774
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of parallels even though he's a golfer and

775
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: obviously it's not a physical sport. Before the car crash,

776
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: he had like football level injuries. Right in two thousand

777
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: and eight. I remember I was just about to move

778
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: because the US opens in June, and my mom and

779
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: my brother and my dad were coming with a trailer

780
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: and we're gonna pack all my stuff and San Louis

781
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: Obispo and take it to Fresno, where I was about

782
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: to become a graduate assistant. And clearly he's about to

783
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: change my life. I didn't know what I mean. I

784
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: had a decent idea it was gonna be a pretty

785
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: impactful time, but I didn't know what was coming. But

786
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I had a couple of days to wait, and I

787
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: remember he was it was the U s open and

788
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: it was the US opening one with a torn a

789
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: c L basically a crack knee, like just stuff that

790
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: when you hear Emmett Smith played an inn C Championship

791
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: game with a separated shoulder, like it's just it's legendary shit.

792
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: It's why when you saw Tiger Woods play the match

793
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning and and Tom Brady, those guys act

794
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: like Tigers. They're equal because they think as just in

795
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: terms of greatness, in terms of mental toughness. Because he

796
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: was and I listen, I don't know if you're listening

797
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: to this, you're not a big golf guy. I think

798
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: we all respect the ship out of this human being

799
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: and the thing I admire most, and I definitely Brady

800
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: has this. And it's actually different because Brady has never

801
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: had He had the one injury three or four years

802
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: ago before Tiger just won that Masters. I think it

803
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: was what's his name, right, Thompson of ESPN had wrote

804
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: that long article about Tiger Woods and he's in his

805
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: backyard is when he's having all the back problems and

806
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: he'd hit the ground and he couldn't walk, and he'd

807
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: have to call for his daughter to call for help,

808
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: to maybe like get Notable Gaye to come over and

809
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: pick him up. I mean, these are stories you read

810
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: about guys that played in like the seventies for the

811
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: Steelers or the Dolphins or the Raiders. Not a golfer

812
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: in his early forties couldn't walk. Here's the other thing,

813
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: and this this is where it parallels Tom. If you

814
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: go to Tiger's bank account five years ago, ten years ago,

815
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: when he's having all these health problems, he has more

816
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: money than God. He does not need to do it anymore.

817
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: But his drive Tiger Woods, like Tom Brady, Tiger got

818
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: into golf. Tom got into football, and I think Belichick

819
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: and I know Coach Read is like this, And this

820
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: is why I admire the hell out of Coach Read.

821
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: They didn't get into it for the money. On the

822
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: money impacts them, it changes like the way where they

823
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: live and what car they drive. It does not change

824
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: their love and their driving, their addiction to the sport

825
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: and the thing I admire most I saw with Coach Read.

826
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: By the time I started working for the Eagles, he

827
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: was rich, he was making a ton of money. Now,

828
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: he had never won a Super Bowl, but I'll never

829
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: forget his work ethic was unlike anything I'd ever seen.

830
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: And then when I'd go to the Combine these last

831
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: up of years and Bi, you know Coach Ready still

832
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: just working away. His work atic is incredible, And Tiger

833
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: and Brady, these guys dedication to their craft is just unparalleled.

834
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: At the highest level, where the competition is the highest.

835
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: They are the one percent of the one per centers.

836
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: And this guy's drive to come back and ultimately win

837
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: that Masters after all the injuries and all the ship

838
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: he'd been through. Some of it self inflicted, definitely, but

839
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: the injuries to a golfer more like a middle linebacker.

840
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: It's insane. We'll never see anything like it again. And

841
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: unlike Brady, I don't think his fame will ever be

842
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: matched because this guy is the world famous. This guy's

843
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: fame is like and I say the same thing about

844
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's. If you became super famous before the Internet,

845
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: you are stupid famous. Remember growing up, like how famous

846
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: like Michael Jackson was, or Mike Tyson or some of

847
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: these people that were just like God, the Beatles, like

848
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: the fame now like Lebron is really famous. But he

849
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: said the Internet and social media, like obviously Tiger's had

850
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: two but we all know Tiger was famous like nineties

851
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: seven when he went Hello World and Nike signed him.

852
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: And back to what I was saying about being a fan,

853
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the last guys I'm like

854
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: a true fan of. This might sound corny, but I

855
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: kind of got emotional when he won the Masters. I

856
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: really did, because he kind of like connects me to

857
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: my childhood. It's and that is dead for me. And

858
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: I think if you listen to me long enough, it's

859
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: why I think I'm pretty good at talking about football,

860
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm biased. Maybe to a couple of

861
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: guys I know, but just with the players and the teams,

862
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: I don't care it. It takes me to gamble on

863
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: sports now to get the juice that I used to

864
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: have when I was fourteen and I could watch sports seven.

865
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: I can't really anymore. And I still watch a ton,

866
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: but I profit off of of it. If I wasn't

867
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: making money off it, I would not watch nearly as

868
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: much as I do. And I I just this week

869
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: was it sucks because I think we saw I just

870
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: don't see how this guy ever comes back from this

871
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: um and if I had to google some of the

872
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: words and the statements about his bones being shattered. But

873
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm just glad as a big sports fan at my

874
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: heart and who I was growing up. Like the last

875
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: three years, we got some badass moments with the guy.

876
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: I remember when he was making his comeback two thousand eighteen,

877
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: almost won the British that he won the Tour championship.

878
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: Who my guy Habrman, who I do the other podcast with,

879
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: was there calling it for virtual reality, called it for

880
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: virtually he was in the ability. He said it was incredible.

881
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: Remember there's that visual of all the fans falling Tiger,

882
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: then six months later or less than that, he wins

883
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: the Masters, and then just this year in Corona, my

884
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: least favorite time in the history of my life, besides

885
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: like you know, non deaths in my family or something.

886
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it was the most miserable year ever. I

887
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: think we'd all tend to agree there is him him, uh,

888
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady like that that event was

889
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: made for me. I don't know what you thought of

890
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: that event. I that that's that's one of my favorite

891
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: viewing experiences of my lifetime. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tiger

892
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: was PHILM. Micholson. So you know, I just think we're

893
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: addicted to athletes that are addicted to their craft. And

894
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: I think you hear so often guys talk about like

895
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: I want to be a brand, I want to do this.

896
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: I maybe I grew up on guys that became a

897
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: brand because they dominated. Michael Jordan. The Jordan brand happened

898
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: because Michael Jordan won six championships. The t W hats

899
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: and the Nike polos got you know, Phil Knight was

900
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: slinging those things like they were drugs because Tiger was dominating.

901
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: Now everyone has a logo before they win a game

902
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: or like we're starting to business, like what have you done?

903
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: Like I grew up on Tiger Ti or in Michael,

904
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: and you know, I remember my dad. We'd always argue

905
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: about great Joe Montana was when you grow up on someone,

906
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: I do understand. I will go to my grave arguing

907
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: the Tiger, Michael and probably now Tom Brady, like I

908
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: don't see how they're being topped when I'm seven years

909
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: old arguing with my hopefully like my grandkids about you know,

910
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: they're up and coming. Whoever, none of these guys are

911
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: getting knocked off my perch. Okay, let's bang out a

912
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: couple quick, just stories that are kind of going around,

913
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: and I think what we'll do because we're almost at

914
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: or getting close to an hour plus. Once they put

915
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: in ads here, I'll put the Middlecoff mail bag. I'm

916
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: just gonna put it on YouTube. I think I did

917
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: that last week. I'll record that, uh either than I

918
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: the first thing in the morning and put it on

919
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: my YouTube page. John Middlecoff, have a YouTube page, John Middlecoff,

920
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: go check that out. Have just different content up there, football,

921
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: little golf, Uh, mainly just football and golf. I'm a

922
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: full ball, golf, guay a Brady extension, you know, crazy?

923
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: It is like, listen, you might be as big of

924
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: a Tiger or I mean Tom Brady homer as like

925
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: as a Tiger Woods Homer. It's pretty nuts that we're

926
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: talking Tom Brady extension going into the year that he's

927
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: gonna be forty four. And it's really not even that weird. Right,

928
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: they gave him two years fifty million dollars. He's got

929
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars guaranteed this year. Uh, and is

930
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: it crazy? Just give him like a twenty million dollar

931
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: extension and basically just kind of kick the can down

932
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: the road. I mean, what's is this ever gonna stop?

933
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: Do you guys ever just think about that, like, is

934
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: this ever gonna stop? Because I think at this point

935
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: in time you'd be saying, well, maybe not. Eventually it

936
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: will and it will probably take an injury because his

937
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: arm looks normal and he moves like he's always moved.

938
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: It's not like he moves great anyway. It's just it's

939
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: basically I think at this point time, is gonna take

940
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: an injury to end career because that happen to Peyton, right,

941
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: was his shoulder or his arm. Remember its just it

942
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: fell off. He couldn't throw. We think Drew Brees arms

943
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: struggled this year, that Peyton year, I attended a mid

944
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: season game against the Raiders. It was it was embarrassingly bad.

945
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: I remember going to that that game. The irony actually

946
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: is because they both go into the Hall of Fame

947
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: this year, because they retired the same year as Charles

948
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Woodson had never picked off Peyton Manning. He got him

949
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: twice in that game. The ball just floated in the air.

950
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: He had no zip. That's not the case with Tom.

951
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: I just where's Tom going? I would just keep paying

952
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: him thirty million dollars a year, keep having to be

953
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback until he can't. Just keep on like one

954
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: year deals, keep building the team around him. Let him

955
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: live in Florida, no state income taxes, hang out of

956
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: Jeter's pad, get wasteed the offseason, TV twelve in the

957
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: regular season, and keep kicking ass and taking names. J J. Watt.

958
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Diana Russini, uh she used to be NBC Diana that

959
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: she works. ESPN wrote that he has an offer between

960
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: like fifteen and sixteen million dollars. That's crazy. Now, I

961
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: don't blame him if someone's gonna give him like two

962
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: years thirty million dollars and guarantee twenty million of it.

963
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: He has to take. That's he doesn't have to take

964
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: the deal, but that's a massive deal for him. Like

965
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: to me, I view him as like six seven million

966
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: dollar player on real locker room guy, great, like rotational

967
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: defensive end. Ideally just kicks ass on third down. It's

968
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: like a team captain and just big part of my squad. Right,

969
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: But I don't want to depend on him every snap

970
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: like I would Aaron Donald or J. J. Watt five

971
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: years ago, partly because he gets hurt, hurt a lot,

972
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I I won't be able to

973
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: blame him if he goes to Browns or something for

974
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: like two years, thirty five million dollars and they guarantee

975
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: twenty five of it, Like that's a lot of money

976
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: to turn down, or the Raiders or whatever. If I

977
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: was him, it's easy for me to say. But he's

978
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: got He's made a hundred million dollars on the field.

979
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: He was one of the most marketed athletes of the

980
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: last seven eight years. I'd imagine he's made millions off

981
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: the field. Can you imagine We've talked about this before.

982
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: If when I introduced J. J. Watton ten years, I'm

983
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: running an Oracle or whatever company and I'm not bringing

984
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: J J. Watt to talk to my employees and I go,

985
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Super Bowl champion J J. Watt

986
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: changes your career man, So I mean Tampa Kansas City. Now,

987
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 1: obviously those type teams is gonna be way less money Buffalo.

988
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: They make a lot of sense, but it's still pretty risky.

989
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: Like they got as far as they've been in basically

990
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: thirty years this year to the NFC Championship and they

991
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: get their ass kicked by the Chiefs. If I was

992
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: in my i'd probably go to the Chiefs for a

993
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: million bucks or whatever. His minimum is easy for me

994
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: to say. If he's turning down twenty million dollars, that's

995
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I'm not and I'm I'm as

996
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: pro money as anybody. But when you already have a

997
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: lot of money, you can operate from a position to strength.

998
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: Now there are other variable This is the last contract

999
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: he'll probably ever have. If he has a major injury,

1000
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: like his career would be over. So I get it,

1001
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: But like he's gonna go to the Hall of Fame,

1002
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a Hall of Famer. Can you

1003
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: get the Super Bowl? Like that would change his career

1004
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: super Bowl Champion because then you make money the rest

1005
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: of your life in whatever town. And just I just

1006
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: think he's way more marketable. That would be my recommendation.

1007
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Assuming he saved well, which he seems like a smart guy.

1008
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be fine financially. He's got generational wealth.

1009
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: I would prioritize winning one, two, and three and then money.

1010
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: I'd be thinking Chiefs, I'd be thinking Bucks. I'd be

1011
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: thinking Packers, Ben Big Ben. I think the Steelers are

1012
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of stuck. You know, I do not think they

1013
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: want Ben Roethlisberger back. I just don't think they really

1014
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: have a choice. You know, they're drafting in the twenties

1015
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: because they made the playoffs. He makes huge money. I

1016
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: think in a perfect world, at there was no dead

1017
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: cap space, they'd cut him. I even bet they've probably

1018
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: contemplated cutting him, but he's probably agreed to maybe give

1019
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: some money back or something to facilitate him staying on

1020
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: the team. But to me, you just short Ben Roethlisberger

1021
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: like a stock just because he saw him last year,

1022
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: he just kind of fell apart, and that's normal. He's

1023
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: thirty nine years old, he was coming off a terrible

1024
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: elbow injury. I don't think he's just gonna get better

1025
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: with age as this. As it gets cold. They play

1026
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: in a cold weather city, they play cold weather teams

1027
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: in their division. It's it's hard for him to avoid that.

1028
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: They've got really good defenses in their division in Cleveland

1029
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: and Baltimore. It's gonna be it's gonna be difficult for

1030
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: an old guy that can't move anymore and just kind

1031
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: of breaking down, you know. And his people have alluded

1032
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: to on different shows. He's not Mr. He ain't Tiger

1033
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. In the off season, he's not doing TV twelve.

1034
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: There's not much pliability. He's doing twelve bounced curls, which listen.

1035
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: I like twelve bounced curls as much as the next guy,

1036
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't mind my quarterback drinking like

1037
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: I'm pro drinking. But Roethlisberger, like you know, he's he's

1038
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: aged hard. He really has kJ Wright, who's been just

1039
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: an ass kicker for Seattle, and I don't blame him.

1040
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't blame any of these players for saying this,

1041
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a hometown discount because you have a

1042
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: position of power when you've won before, like kJ White's

1043
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: a winner. I'm pretty sure kJ Right won a super Bowl.

1044
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: To me, once you've won a super Bowl, like the

1045
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Dominican Sioux, to me, he loves money. He finally won,

1046
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: like it's to me if I'm the Dominican Sioux, I'm

1047
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: trying to get paid again, trying to get some cash flow.

1048
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: Already I got my ring. kJ Right super Bowl champion.

1049
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: Of course, he's not taking a hometown discount. Time to

1050
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: get paid when you've won and you've made money, kJ

1051
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: writes in the ultimate position, Right, he's one, he's he's one.

1052
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: That he's got a ring. He's been a part of

1053
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: awesome teams. He's been. He just wins all every year.

1054
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: Like you could argue, just whoever offers you the most bread,

1055
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: just take it. He's thirty one years old. He'll probably

1056
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: get like a two or three year deal. Try to

1057
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: get as much money as you can, and if that

1058
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: means going to the jacks, you go to the jacks.

1059
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: You just can't. And sometimes remember Klais Campbell is like God.

1060
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: Clais Campbell going to the Jags. What he's kind of crazy.

1061
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: What happened? The Jacks were sweet, say Malik Jacks Like

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Speaker 1: Malik Jackson just all that money, Yeah, because he had

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Speaker 1: one and then all of a sudden they're good. So

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Speaker 1: you never know. You take the money when you've won big.

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Speaker 1: That's back to J. J. Watt. When you haven't won

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Speaker 1: and you're already really rich. Like once you're really rich

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Speaker 1: in business, you don't just take every business deal, or

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Speaker 1: especially every business deal just because it's the most money.

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Speaker 1: You can kind of pick and choose. You have different priorities.

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Speaker 1: Now it's hard like most in the business world. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm thirty six. I hopefully I lived till a long time.

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Speaker 1: Got time on my side. JJ's career, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: coming down the home stretcher. But I would love to

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Speaker 1: see a player of his caliber. You know. I think

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Speaker 1: the Patriots if Belichick was still in New you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm excused me. If Brady was still in New England

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Speaker 1: and they had just won the Super Bowl, we would

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Speaker 1: all be saying that JJ go to New England, right.

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Speaker 1: I think I think J. J. Watt would have been

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Speaker 1: the biggest lock Patriot of the last two decades. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a Patriot, take a little less money to

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Speaker 1: go there win a championship. Now it's like a little

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Speaker 1: more open ended, packers a little risky, you know that.

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. From there, they're good.

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Speaker 1: They've only been in one Super Bowl in a decade.

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Speaker 1: At least Chiefs been back back Tampa. Feels like they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be right in the mix. I'm a J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt fan. I'll never forget seeing him live at the

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Speaker 1: Colosseum in the in the peak of his powers. It

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Speaker 1: was stupid how good he was stupid. You know how

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Speaker 1: we talked about Aaron Donald, That was j J. They

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Speaker 1: were equals, unblockable, unstoppable, made every play. I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: I think both those two guys best two players the

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Speaker 1: last decade on defense, Like even Khalil Mack wasn't quite

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Speaker 1: that good. What Aaron Donald has become these last couple

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Speaker 1: of years and what J. J. Watt was for like

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Speaker 1: two or three years in his peak it was it was.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome to watch live unless that day day

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Speaker 1: you were a Raider fan. I remember he scored a

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Speaker 1: touchdown that day, not by like a fumble because they

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Speaker 1: threw him a touchdown. He was a tight end. It

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Speaker 1: was sweet. He was in his peak and he's still

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Speaker 1: damn good. He's he's a baller. Okay, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: me middcoff mail bag when I put up on the

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Speaker 1: YouTube page, John Middlecoff, check it out and uh have

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. Peace,