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Speaker 2: All right, let's do this.

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Speaker 3: We've got CBS sports insider Jim Boden joining us right now,

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Speaker 3: so find his work in the athletic. I've been told

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Speaker 3: not yet in a couple of weeks, so stay tuned

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Speaker 3: on that one, but I know we're almost there. We're

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Speaker 2: JB.

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Speaker 3: Pete Alonzo back to the Mets. How do you think

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Speaker 3: he feels and what do you think the conversation was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Scott got the thirty million that he

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Speaker 1: this is the same kind of deal he did with

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Speaker 1: I'll get thirty million. I'll opt out after one year

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Speaker 1: He's just gonna have to get two or three contracts

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Speaker 4: Now, let me ask you this that long term deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a The reason it's not the same conversation

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Speaker 1: I mean, it only takes one team, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to go long term with Pete and

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Speaker 3: The owners meetings are happening right now in Florida. We're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what Commissioner Manford's trying to do

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Speaker 6: All right, a couple things, sir, Jim.

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Speaker 7: One, excuse me, You're not getting a salary cap without

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Speaker 7: even if you put a cap in. It's just a way,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of the things you have

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Speaker 1: I agree with you completely. You cannot have a salary

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Speaker 5: How contentious do these owners meetings get? Because I've been

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Speaker 1: But it is intense because they're totally different. You know,

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Speaker 5: They're all just in a cage and it's just all

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know the answer to these things.

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Speaker 8: You can't say just a good prospect.

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Speaker 1: I could tell you it was a middle infielder that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, we'll take that our our pinstrip territory. Derek

437
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Speaker 5: guru that he is, he'll figure it out for you

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Speaker 5: for the.

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Speaker 8: Rest of us.

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Speaker 2: Durban. I'm guessing Durban because you got trade my guess. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 3: Last one, let's talk about youngsters here. Because you wrote

443
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Speaker 3: an article about the top thirty potential rookie of the

444
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Speaker 3: year candidates that you're excited to watch in spring training.

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Speaker 3: A little controversy at the top. Jackson Job is number

446
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Speaker 3: one on your list. Rookie Sasaki is on this list too,

447
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Speaker 3: but he is in the three spots, So JB.

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Speaker 2: I'm wanting to.

449
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Speaker 3: Explain, you know, your thought process at the top. Then

450
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Speaker 3: everyone can read the article to get the rest because

451
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Speaker 3: we don't have time. And I do want to preface

452
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Speaker 3: it by saying that you like to go against the

453
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Speaker 3: grain on prospects that you like versus many other publications. Right,

454
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Speaker 3: I think you were probably the highest person on I

455
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Speaker 3: want to say Jackson Curio, and I might be missing

456
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Speaker 3: someone else in the past ten years. I want to

457
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Speaker 3: say maybe in Nikunya. But I'm also going to give

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Speaker 3: people the bat big Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Who was it?

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Speaker 8: One?

461
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Speaker 1: Sodo was my big one? Was your big one?

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Speaker 6: D Right?

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Speaker 1: It was Soto? That was yeah? My god, Yeah, I'm

464
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Speaker 1: gonna give.

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Speaker 3: Them one and one JB just to be fair. Okay,

466
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Speaker 3: So Soto was your big one over Roblaze when many

467
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Speaker 3: others had roadblazed.

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Speaker 2: That's a massive win.

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Speaker 3: The latest one, I would say on the other end

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Speaker 3: would be Jordan Walker. That has not worked out yet. Right,

471
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Speaker 3: You've been higher on him than others, although we can

472
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Speaker 3: make the case that he hasn't really been given a

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Speaker 3: full chance, a full runway, So still TVD.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, tell me about this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was wrong on why at Langford last

476
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Speaker 1: year too. But by the way, I'll be right on

477
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Speaker 1: both Langford and Walker. I just am not right on

478
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Speaker 1: the timetable. The prime years are twenty four to thirty one,

479
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Speaker 1: and a lot of times I get too excited when

480
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Speaker 1: they're twenty one and twenty two. But then a couple

481
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Speaker 1: of years later they hit. So the reason, look, this

482
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Speaker 1: particular article wasn't ranking prospects, it was ranking guys to

483
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Speaker 1: win Rookie of the Year. And so the reason I

484
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Speaker 1: have Jackson Job at the top of my list number one,

485
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Speaker 1: I think he's the second best pitching prospect in baseball

486
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Speaker 1: behind Sasaki. You know it throws ninety eight ninety nine.

487
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Speaker 1: He's got a wipe outsider, a plus plus change, plus

488
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Speaker 1: plus cutter for that matter. Love the delivery, love the command,

489
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Speaker 1: love the composure. But it's more importantly He's going to

490
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Speaker 1: be in a five man rotation instead of the six

491
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Speaker 1: man rotation that Sasaki's in, and the Tigers don't have

492
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Speaker 1: to baby his innings. It'll be the third starter after

493
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Speaker 1: schoobl and flirting and the rotation. AJ Hinch is not

494
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Speaker 1: afraid to put him out there every fifth day. And

495
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm a big believer in the stuff, in

496
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Speaker 1: the command that it brings to the table. As much

497
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Speaker 1: as I think Sasaki is a better pitching prospect with

498
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Speaker 1: the higher ceiling, I don't think he's a finished product.

499
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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit leery about the velo being down

500
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Speaker 1: a little bit. I think he needs a little bit

501
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Speaker 1: more development. He's going to be in a six man

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Speaker 1: rotation on a team that has ten legitimate big league

503
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Speaker 1: starters and five number one starters. And they tend to

504
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Speaker 1: like to baby their pitchers now in the regular season

505
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Speaker 1: because they know they're going to play on October anyway,

506
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Speaker 1: and they like the get their pictures all set up

507
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Speaker 1: for the month of October, which is what matters the

508
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Speaker 1: moth to that organization. So I just kind of feel

509
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Speaker 1: like I've got Job over Sasaki just because I think

510
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Speaker 1: he's going to get more starts, more volume, and and

511
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Speaker 1: that's a difference maker. So that's why I've got him

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Speaker 1: over Sasaki for this list.

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Speaker 3: Right for this Rookie of the Year candidate list, very

514
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Speaker 3: different from how you're projecting prospects going forward, but that's

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Speaker 3: for another time.

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Speaker 2: JB. Great to have you on. We'll catch you next week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks guys, we.

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Speaker 3: Got a super chat. And also I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: this kind of early in the show just to make

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Speaker 3: Aja excited.

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Speaker 2: Please subscribe to foul Territory.

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Speaker 6: Was that hard?

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Speaker 8: It's free.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know why I have to do it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people listen to you more than they

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Speaker 2: listen to me. You know, I don't have to the host.

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Speaker 8: You're the host, you're hosting. It comes out you, guys,

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Speaker 8: it comes out from you.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 7: I mean, but I've been told I wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 7: say it at certain times, and I don't know what

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Speaker 7: those times are.

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Speaker 2: So then I got it for you. I got it

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Speaker 2: for you. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Justin, with a super chat said MLB needs a salary floor,

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Speaker 3: not a cap, and thinks deferrals should reflect the contract,

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Speaker 3: like Otani should be seventy million or not forty six.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree with the floor.

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Speaker 3: Aj the deferral part doesn't make sense because that'll kill deferrals.

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Speaker 3: That's not how it works.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I can't do the math again, but Justin, I love you.

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Speaker 3: I love the first part. But the way that they

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Speaker 3: both actually agree on this, this is the crazy part.

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Speaker 3: I think the optics are just pissing people off. But

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Speaker 3: the owners and the players agree on the way deferrals

549
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Speaker 3: are structured. It's not that big a deal.

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Speaker 5: Players should free. Players shouldn't agree with it. It's better

551
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Speaker 5: to get your money up front. But there's parts of

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Speaker 5: it that help push salaries in a different ways.

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Speaker 8: That's it. You should always get your money up front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I would actually counter that that it is good for

556
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Speaker 3: some players Todd Father, because then they don't spend.

557
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Speaker 2: The money and they're like, cool, this is coming later on.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know.

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Speaker 4: But also it's where you're living too as well too.

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Speaker 4: So you know, you defer that money and you go

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Speaker 4: live in Texas or Florida or one of those states

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Speaker 4: where there's no income tax, you're going to save a

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Speaker 4: little more money down the road. So if you're thinking

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Speaker 4: like that, that's great. You know, money up front is great.

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Speaker 4: It just it really just depends on your current situation,

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Speaker 4: that's all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, AJ you can speak to this with

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Speaker 3: a minute ago. Here you're in Florida. You always want

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Speaker 3: bonuses and deferrals in your contracts if you can get them,

570
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Speaker 3: because you literally will save millions of dollars. That's happened

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Speaker 3: multiple times this offseason, including with Blake Snell who's in Washington.

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Speaker 3: They saved him like seven to ten mili.

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Speaker 7: Ten million dollars signing bonus. Where does he live? He

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Speaker 7: lives in Tampa and Florida. Think about the money he

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Speaker 7: saved between Florida and New York just by getting that ten.

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Speaker 6: Million dollars signing bonus.

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Speaker 8: It matters. I always.

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Speaker 6: I say this all the time.

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Speaker 7: Every time I was a free agent, I always tried

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Speaker 7: to get a signing bonus, and I always, especially if

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Speaker 7: I signed before the end of the year, I tried

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Speaker 7: to get it on the end of the year before,

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Speaker 7: like January first, or just you know, so I could

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Speaker 7: count it to the taxes from the year before, so

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Speaker 7: I wasn't having to pile it on for the next year.

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Speaker 7: I mean, signing muses are a big deal. Deferrals if

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Speaker 7: I would have been able to get deferrals to Florida.

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Speaker 6: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 3: The commissioner spoke about the Padres situation and said there

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Speaker 3: has not been a single word or whisper of relocation

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Speaker 3: in the context of the San Diego Padres. San Diego

592
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Speaker 3: is a great market with a great facility, not a

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Speaker 3: realistic concern. Evandrelic wrote about it and said some in

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Speaker 3: the industry think that the team will eventually get sold

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Speaker 3: or be put on the market. He said that the

596
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Speaker 3: Seidler family holds about with a bunch of them right,

597
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Speaker 3: including his widow and his brothers, hold about forty five

598
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Speaker 3: percent of the company. The team's valued at one point

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Speaker 3: seven eight bill by Forbes. They did just appoint his

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Speaker 3: older brother John as the control the guy in charge

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Speaker 3: now of the team. The budget's actually up aj for

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Speaker 3: the Padres it's two oh five mil, but that's because

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Speaker 3: a lot of salary increases on their own team. They've

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Speaker 3: lost a ton, so for fan purposes, they just want

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Speaker 3: to know where the team's at now and long term.

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Speaker 3: And the other part I found was the lawsuit from

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Speaker 3: Sheiel Sidler, the widow, against the younger brothers could take

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Speaker 3: years to figure out.

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Speaker 6: Uh, Padres ain't moving, Let's establish it, pet.

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Speaker 8: COO's unbelievable that we know the area around.

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Speaker 6: That is unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: So even have to say that is like, come on,

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Speaker 7: like it's done. And also you said I don't understand.

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Speaker 7: I don't understand how I was not invited. It said

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Speaker 7: the owners meetings were in Palm Beach at this hotel

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Speaker 7: called the Breakers, and I love the Breakers, So how

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Speaker 7: was I not invite? That's all I really care about.

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Speaker 7: Like I texted her Reinstorf yesterday, I was like, thanks

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Speaker 7: for the invite. I could have shared a suite with you.

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Speaker 7: I could have had one bedroom and you could have

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Speaker 7: had the other. He goes, I thought you lived in Orlando,

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Speaker 7: I said, close enough. But I love the breakers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I read that Manford changed the way these owner

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Speaker 3: meetings work. They used to work where he would bring

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Speaker 3: a ton of staff and I think they're still there

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Speaker 3: and they would all present. And now Manfred's biggest thing

627
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Speaker 3: is he gets the thirty control people in the room.

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Speaker 2: He walks in alone. They close the door.

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Speaker 3: And that's the best reality show of all time that

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Speaker 3: we never get access to because you get to see

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Speaker 3: the big owners fight.

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Speaker 8: Nobody covers this. How come we can't get a camera

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Speaker 8: in there like MLB nowher can't put a camera in there.

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Speaker 6: That would be awesome.

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Speaker 3: It would be so epic to see that battle because

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Speaker 3: then they come out of it after fighting and they say,

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Speaker 3: we voted thirty to nothing on everything.

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Speaker 2: We all agree on everything.

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Speaker 5: It would just all be bleeped out and not because

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Speaker 5: of curse words. Well, we can't show any of this,

641
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 5: but here's three hours of the owner's meetings. You can't

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Speaker 5: hear any of it. You can't see anybody's faces nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want to stare at all those

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Speaker 3: faces the whole time, all Right, let's hit it. Obviously,

645
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: there's three players here, so we want to get your perspective.

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Speaker 3: Toddfather Owners meetings Florida right now. Lots of news coming

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Speaker 3: out of there. One article from Evandrelik, who really is

648
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Speaker 3: hired to cover these kind of stories, is how there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of debate about how they want to handle

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Speaker 3: a salary cap push in the next collective bargaining agreement.

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Speaker 3: They're debating the push at the summit, and to summarize,

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Speaker 3: they all of course want it. The main reason is

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Speaker 3: for cost control, so they can kind of push down

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Speaker 3: salaries make their team valuations larger and their profits larger.

655
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Speaker 3: These are obvious business decisions. Nobody's disputing that part. But

656
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: the debate is how much do they want to push

657
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: because some owners seem to be okay with missing a

658
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: good chunk of time, and others are probably concerned about

659
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: how that would affect the sport short and long term.

660
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: I mean, if this ever was to happen, which it

661
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: never will or should, baseball in a lot of trouble.

662
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: This is why other players from other major sports are

663
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: jealous of baseball, because we don't weak because I played

664
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: in it, we don't have a salary cap, and I

665
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: think that's the biggest part, Like you can go ahead

666
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 4: and sign a guy for seven hundred plus million dollars

667
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: and give them forty something or fifty something million a year.

668
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: This just comes up a lot, and I think Manford

669
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: and his team are trying to figure something out. They're like, oh, well,

670
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: look at the Dodgers, see what they did. Well, guess what,

671
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: that's their choice. They can go over the tax threshold.

672
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: Any team can do it. They talk about small market teams.

673
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: All these owners are billionaires. They can go out and

674
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: buy a big name if they wanted to. This will

675
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: never happen, nor should it happen. This is why it's

676
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: a great sport and they can make as much money

677
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: as possible. That sounds greedy, but it's not. This is

678
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: the way baseball is and the way the world is.

679
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: Other sports are making millions as well. But the salary cap.

680
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: You could keep bringing that up and Tony Clark's gonna

681
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 4: keep denying it, and he should.

682
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 5: Let's stop talking about this, Let's stop talking about it

683
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 5: as owners. Let's start talking about how can we all

684
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: be competitive. We don't need par we don't need parody,

685
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 5: Like why does why does the parody thing have to happen?

686
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 5: Like you all put your best foot forward, do the

687
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 5: best you can to be competitive, not equal competitive like

688
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 5: no other business that they own. Would they sit there

689
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 5: and go, you know what, my business is really successful,

690
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 5: but yours isn't as successful. Here, I'll give you some

691
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: extra money so that yours is almost as successful as mine.

692
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 8: Stop. It doesn't need to happen. This is a sport.

693
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: Everybody needs to sit in that meeting and go, what

694
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 5: are you going to do to make your team the

695
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: best out there? Because when they do that, it's going

696
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: to raise the tide for everybody's money. And now whatever

697
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: you make, you're just gonna all make a higher percentage.

698
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: Aja, you know what I want when this battle goes down,

699
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: because we know about the committee, there's like.

700
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 6: Six hundreds open the books.

701
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Well they're never going to.

702
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: Do that, but but here can I offer this as

703
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: a compilation prize from players when we bring them on

704
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: during this fight in a couple of years. I just

705
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: want to know what John Fisher has to say, like

706
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 3: behind closed doors, I want to know where's head zat,

707
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: what he thinks about baseball. You know, maybe they give

708
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: him a baseball I Q test and have him named

709
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: ten players in the sport if he's going to be

710
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: sitting in these meetings deciding the future of our sport.

711
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: And there's the tweet from Bill Shake and they have

712
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: elevated him. He's gotten a promotion to the executive Committee.

713
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: So that committee, as far as I know, sits down

714
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: and bargains stuff like salary caps. So he's going to

715
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: be pushing that to the player committee in a couple

716
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: of years. And I mean he might be, you know,

717
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: the dumbest owner in modern history. Like he does every

718
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: single thing wrong. And it's not just the decision making,

719
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: but it's the process, it's the pr he's he's watched

720
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: everything and made our sport embarrassing. I mean, we have

721
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: minor league baseball or a minor league field now taking

722
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: control of a team for several years at least, right

723
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: it's embarrassing to everyone. That's the problem for me AJ.

724
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: So I'm just curious to see how this goes down.

725
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: I hope somebody will just report for mind the scenes

726
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: and tell me what's going on, because we've only heard

727
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: him speak publicly a few times. It's superscripted and coordinated

728
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 3: and maybe even programmed in his brain chip. So I'm

729
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: just very curious to hear how this goes.

730
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 6: We'll see, We'll see. I mean, I don't even know

731
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 6: what that does.

732
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 7: I don't even know what the Owners Executive Committee does

733
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 7: meet with the players.

734
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: Yes, just like the I think it's like the players

735
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: subcommittee that goes against them and the I'm gonna ask

736
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: Krats someone.

737
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 7: I did a barstool interview today with White Sox Dave

738
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 7: our guy, and they asked me if I was ever

739
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 7: on a you know, committee or a player rep. And

740
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 7: I was like, no, they never wanted me to do

741
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff. But I think, Kratz, were you

742
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 7: a player rep one year? Like I went to some

743
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 7: neg I went to some negotiations. I went to negotiations

744
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 7: and when it was in Chicago and they wanted players

745
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 7: to show up, and I sat in some of those

746
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 7: for a few hours and listened to it. And I

747
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 7: got to hear a bunch when I was with the

748
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 7: Twins and they were trying to contract us, and Dendy

749
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 7: Hawking was a good buddy and he was the player

750
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 7: rep and he was telling us all this stuff. And

751
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 7: I mean, I I don't know, you hear stories like

752
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 7: look at the Player the Player Committee from this past

753
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 7: year when they were talking about trying to get rid

754
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 7: of Tony Clark and uh Bruce Meyer, right, and a

755
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 7: lot of those guys got got kicked off of it.

756
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 7: So I mean, I don't know, I don't I don't

757
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 7: know what a lot enough about it to know what

758
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 7: these guys do. Because even like the player I know

759
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 7: what the Player Executive Committee is supposed to do. They're

760
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 7: supposed to, you know, whatever, eleven guys are supposed to

761
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 7: make basically the decision for all the players.

762
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 5: But I've never sat in one of those MUNI, so

763
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: I don't really know what happens. That's essentially you're you're

764
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 5: gathering from your team. As a REP. I was an alternate,

765
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 5: so I was just there listening to guys gather their

766
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 5: information or see the text threads, Hey, how do you

767
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: guys feel about this? How do you guys feel about that?

768
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 5: Some guys as reps did a good job, some guys didn't.

769
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 3: And the reason to me why someone like Fisher gets

771
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: promoted is because he's a legend in that circle. Because

772
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: he's actually moving a team and so he creates leverage,

773
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: which is the key word for every other team when

774
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: they're asking their city and their taxpayers for money. Right,

775
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: So I want to leave everyone with this and just

776
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: tell me which side you're on. Okay, I got a

777
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: quote from Drelik story with the commissioner. He said he's

778
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: talking about a lockout in a couple of years, which

779
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: obviously I don't want, and I think most I'll speak

780
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: for the fans, most fans are not.

781
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 8: We did, we just have a lot.

782
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: We did, but it didn't technically miss games. They just

783
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: started like a few days later or whatever. So here

784
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: the commissioner's perspective quote in a bizarre way, it's actually

785
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: a positive. There is leverage associated with an offseason lockout,

786
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: and the process of collective bargain under the nl RA

787
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: works based on leverage. The great thing about offseason lockouts

788
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: is the leverage that exists gets applied between the bargaining parties.

789
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: Tony Clark with a response to this quote. Players know

790
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: from first hand experience that a lockout is neither routine

791
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: nor positive. It's a weapon, playing and simple implemented to

792
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: pressure players and their families by taking away a player's

793
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: ability to work. Simple question, lockout good or bad for

794
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: a sport, any sport. Thumbs down, thumbs down, thumbs down, Okay, cool,

795
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: that's it. I just want to like sometimes take us

796
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: all back to common sense and what we think actually

797
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: is legit.

798
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 7: Why would a lockout be good for any sport? You

799
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 7: lose games, you lose interest from fans, you lose revenue

800
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 7: for both sides. It doesn't make any sense. I mean

801
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 7: a strike and lockout. I mean I get their necessary

802
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 7: evil sometimes, but it's not good for either side. And

803
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 7: baseball's got it going right now. Like everything, we look

804
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 7: at projections up, projections up. Remember ninety four was the

805
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 7: last strike, how to work out? Everyone was like, oh,

806
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 7: it's dying, It's dying and dying cal Ripken. The home

807
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 7: run race of ninety eight kind of brought everyone back

808
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 7: to it, but again to kind of lost interest. Now

809
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 7: everyone's starting to like, come back, everything's up. We don't

810
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 7: want to break that momentum. Let's keep it going up.

811
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 7: Figure it out, guys.

812
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: Yep, there you go.

813
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Some people watch the show and then comment later on

814
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: about where my side lies. All I did was read

815
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: a quote that is a direct quote from both sides.

816
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: I really don't give a crap about anything besides watching

817
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: games and having a good time and being entertained.

818
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: So it's just funny. Sometimes I bring this stuff up

819
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, Scott, you're being too pro player

820
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: this or that.

821
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, I literally just read a quote this time,

822
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: so I'm really curious to see what pops up. I

823
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: went verbatim quote one side paraphrasing, lockouts are good, other side,

824
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: lockouts are bad. I will disagree with a lot that

825
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 3: is on both sides, but this part is crystal clear.

826
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: That is stupid.

827
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: That is litigation, and that is why often our sport

828
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: is looked at from some people, the gateholders, as a

829
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: legal battle versus a sport that's fun and entertaining and

830
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 3: great for the community. That's the part that pisses me off.

831
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: I get business, but I don't get constant litigation. That's

832
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: the part that pisses me off. And that's what happens.

833
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: That's what our sport revolves around. Most decisions revolve around litigation.

834
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: Why are half the teams sitting out the off season?

835
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: Is it because they they don't want to win, they

836
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 3: want to lose, or is there a greater long term

837
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: plan to piss people off and say, oh, no, we're poor,

838
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 3: we can't do anything.

839
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are evil.

840
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 5: Let me say this, there's never been a platform like

841
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 5: our platform during a CBI, during a collective bargain agreement.

842
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 5: There's only been one baseball platform that has enabled people

843
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: to hear the same rhetoric from the same people pumped

844
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 5: into the ear pieces of the people on that platform.

845
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 5: Just be prepared that you're going to hear a different

846
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 5: side of it, and you're gonna hear the owner side

847
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 5: from us, and you're gonna hear the players side, because

848
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 5: it's only fair for you to decide as a fan

849
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 5: when you hear both sides, not just one side.

850
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 8: They've only heard one side for a long.

851
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: Time, right, No scripts offers for both sides to come

852
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: on and talk this out, That's what I'll tell you,

853
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 3: because because one side does get scripts when they have

854
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: to talk about things, we don't get scripts.

855
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: We're not owned by anyone, and we're.

856
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: Going to say some things on the player side are stupid, right,

857
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: like them fighting over in my mind over certain rules

858
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: in the past, like the pitch clock stupid and that

859
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: held back the sport too. But we're going to lay

860
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: it all out. Invites are going to be out there

861
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: for everyone. So when we do get to that point,

862
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: hopefully it's short, but it probably won't be at all

863
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: that least last.

864
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 8: Time we don't get to that.

865
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 6: We don't get to that point.

866
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: We're going to get to that.

867
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 8: That would be helpful, I know.

868
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 7: Let's just not though, Like I said, figure it out.

869
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 7: There's too much, too much good going in baseball right now.

870
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 7: I don't care what Cam Newton says. There's too much

871
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Speaker 7: good going right now. Why the heck would we want

872
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Speaker 7: to ruin it.

873
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Speaker 2: That minimum.

874
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Speaker 3: I think the owners just said we're gonna at least

875
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Speaker 3: have a lockout the entire offseason after twenty six into

876
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Speaker 3: twenty seven. That's the vibe imbezer. All right, let's sizzle here.

877
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Speaker 3: Playoff chances, fangrafts. Where do they have your team. Let's

878
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Speaker 3: look at the board and just pick it apart.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what you think.

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Speaker 3: Something that looks real nice, something that looks like they're

881
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Speaker 3: getting the short end of the stick. Dodgers and the

882
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Speaker 3: Braves are the only two teams in the nineties for

883
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Speaker 3: percentage chance. The bottom of the list we're currently looking

884
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Speaker 3: at still includes competitive teams. Of course, the Tigers at

885
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: forty seven percent. The Orioles at forty four and a

886
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: half percent, actually go below that. You've got the Padres

887
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Speaker 3: at thirty two and a half percent. And it's funny

888
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Speaker 3: you look at the Padres and we keep mentioning this.

889
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Speaker 3: I mean, they were one win from beating the Dodgers

890
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Speaker 3: and then probably beating the Yankees in the World Series.

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Speaker 3: So hot, father, something you like or don't like.

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Speaker 4: The first one that can in mine was the Braves

893
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Speaker 4: ninety three percent. I don't know if it should be

894
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Speaker 4: that high. I think they're gonna be good, but I think, man,

895
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know the Braves. To me,

896
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Speaker 4: I don't know if ninety three percent that means guaranteed playoffs,

897
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Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's guaranteed for them just yet.

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Speaker 5: I look at the number thirty two and a half

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Speaker 5: for the Padres. I think it should be higher. I

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Speaker 5: really think I do. I don't think it should be

901
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Speaker 5: over fifty percent. But to me, it was either I

902
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Speaker 5: was either gonna say the Orioles or the Padres, because

903
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Speaker 5: I feel like both those teams are I think they

904
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Speaker 5: have a better shot than.

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Speaker 8: The Twins.

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Speaker 5: I think they have been maybe not the Twins, But

907
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 5: the Orioles definitely have a better shot than the Twins.

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00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 5: So when I'm looking at that bunch there, it was

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Speaker 5: weird to see the Padres on the bottom of that

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Speaker 5: middle tier.

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Speaker 7: To me, the Orioles are lower than the Red Sox.

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Speaker 7: Did the Red Sox miraculously have the best offseason of

913
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Speaker 7: all time? Am I missing something? The Red Sox are

914
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 7: fifty point seven, the Ools are forty four point five.

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Speaker 7: Don't they play in the same division? I mean, he

916
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Speaker 7: DUTs to me, is the is the crazy crazy one?

917
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Speaker 7: To me that I look at and I'm like, the

918
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Speaker 7: Red Sox are higher than the Orioles. What are we

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Speaker 7: looking at? Because I think most people would say the

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Speaker 7: Oriols would have a much better shot this year unless

921
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Speaker 7: the Red Sox make some other moves to get to

922
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Speaker 7: the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Orioles are better than the Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: Now I think it'll be I think it'll be maybe

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Speaker 3: not pretty close between those two right to me

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Speaker 5: If you're thinking, if you're thinking the Orioles are that bad,

927
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Speaker 5: you are buying the second half and not the first half,

928
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Speaker 5: and not what at the beginning of last season, you

929
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Speaker 5: know you're talking about one of the better teams in

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Speaker 5: the American League