WEBVTT - Marc Summers Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>So the last time we recorded, we had Ernie on

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<v Speaker 1>Ernie Ray Henry Rays Junior talking about his incredible martial

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<v Speaker 1>arts background and experience, and it reminded me of a

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<v Speaker 1>story I don't think I've ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Told you guys. Do you know about my audition for

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<v Speaker 2>the three inches No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, Technically it was three inches kickback, which if

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<v Speaker 1>you look up you might notice my old friend Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Fox is one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the three inches and three inches kickback. He is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Story behind that is we both got the audition. So

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<v Speaker 1>this would have been pre Boy Mets World. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I was eleven or twelve. We're at the oak Woods.

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<v Speaker 1>He was staying with my family at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a genuine martial artist. Sean had taken martial

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<v Speaker 1>arts since he was six seven, had done multiple forms,

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<v Speaker 1>was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I had not thanks to karate kid at six. I

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<v Speaker 2>got really into kung.

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<v Speaker 1>Fu for a year a year, and I made it

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<v Speaker 1>to an orange belt, I think, which is a second belt,

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<v Speaker 1>right you go white belt orange belt, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>two stripes on my orange belt and then quit so

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<v Speaker 1>I could not.

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<v Speaker 2>Kick or punch to save my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but whole year of kung fu and you still

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't kick her punch.

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<v Speaker 2>No I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being you know, I'm exaggerated, right, But what I

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<v Speaker 1>did love to do, which my son Indy also loves

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<v Speaker 1>to do now, is stunts like I throwing my body around,

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to be hurt, pratt falls, all that stuff, hitting

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<v Speaker 1>your a door.

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<v Speaker 2>You were famous with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Sean and I were both we both had

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<v Speaker 1>auditions for the Three Ninjas Kick Back. The other three

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<v Speaker 1>ninchs had just come out and been a huge hits,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one was going to Japan.

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<v Speaker 4>So we were like, we want this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>We could both be in this movie if we're both great,

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<v Speaker 1>because the brother is maybe one of us, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we decide rather than going in for the audition

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<v Speaker 1>where you just do the audition, and then they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a martial arts demonstration, we're going to do a demonstration together.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>So we found the room at the Oakwood Apartments, like

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a main lobby area or whatever, like

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<v Speaker 1>a even know what it was. It was a gathering

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<v Speaker 1>space and we cleared it out and uh spent like

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<v Speaker 1>five hours developing a fight, which quickly became just Sean

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<v Speaker 1>kicking the crap.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you throw me over here, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>get up and kick.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and then I fall here. It right, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much fun. So we finished this up and

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, all right, we got our thing. It's tomorrow morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gone our audition, and that night my brother Sean's

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<v Speaker 1>staying with us at the oak Woods. My brother decides

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<v Speaker 1>it's the night we're gonna sneak out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, go and go.

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<v Speaker 1>See Haley, the girl that my brother is in love with,

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<v Speaker 1>who lives down the hall at the oak Woods. But

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<v Speaker 1>if we sneak out the window, my mom will never

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<v Speaker 1>know that we went out.

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<v Speaker 2>And Haley has a friend visiting, so all three of

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<v Speaker 2>us should.

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<v Speaker 1>Go and like hang out with Haley all night, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and like nobody's even kissed Haley. This is just But

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<v Speaker 1>Haley is sixteen, has her own apartment where Shiloh's maybe fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm twelve. So we're like, okay, okay, shylt we'll sneak out.

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<v Speaker 2>So we push the screen out of our window. We

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<v Speaker 2>sneak out. We go down the hall building q I

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<v Speaker 2>think we were in or down the.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside area, like the little pathway to get to her window,

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<v Speaker 1>knock on her window.

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<v Speaker 2>She lets us in. We end up staying there until

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<v Speaker 2>six in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean and I have to do this physical audition for

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<v Speaker 1>producers and the this is like producers we maybe had

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<v Speaker 1>already read and this was the producer's callback to do

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<v Speaker 1>our demonstration.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get back to the room at six a m.

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<v Speaker 1>And our auditions in like two hours, and I am

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<v Speaker 1>just exhausted and I'm like, I have to I have

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<v Speaker 1>to go to sleep, and Sean is why is beyond

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<v Speaker 1>his years, is like writer At this point, we just

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<v Speaker 1>need to stay awake.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye, it's gonna be worse, and I don't care. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going right later.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom's like, gods, get up, let's have some cereal,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go to the audition. And I am literally falling

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<v Speaker 1>asleep in my bowl of cheerios.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sean's doing fine, He's ready to go. Oh well

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<v Speaker 2>it was his martial arts training. Yeah, so we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, we do this audition and one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassing experiences. Now, the fight was fine, like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even remember the actual reading. I'm sure we read

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<v Speaker 1>and did like acting part, but of course, what the

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<v Speaker 1>big thing was that we he did this fight and

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<v Speaker 1>sure enough. Like when it was over, they just looked

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<v Speaker 1>at us and they were like, well, we know who

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<v Speaker 1>probably choreographed this one. She just made Sean look so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like yeah, okay. And then they're like, now

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<v Speaker 1>can you guys do and they named some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kick and I was like uh and Sean was just

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<v Speaker 1>like and it was a jumping It was like he

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<v Speaker 1>jumped and just spun and did some kind of kick,

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<v Speaker 1>but he just they just said something and he was

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<v Speaker 1>like sure and did it and then they were like

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<v Speaker 1>can you I was like, uh, sure, good, good good

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<v Speaker 1>actor with you know everything on my I can juggle,

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<v Speaker 1>I can speak another language, I can whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you need? What do you so? I tried?

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean just when I think about me jumping

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<v Speaker 1>the air and trying to spin and do this kick, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean I can't. I can't see myself can fully picture it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so you can feel the cringe.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye when I look.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, I'm all I'm outside of my body watching the

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<v Speaker 1>little rider flail and all all I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To do was sleep.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh you want to My guess is it's a flying

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<v Speaker 5>roundhouse kick or a jumping roundhouse kick, is.

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<v Speaker 2>What they asked for her to do just for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but see, I feel like I would have known

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<v Speaker 1>what that is. Right you say that, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine what that is. Whatever they said, I was like, Uh, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean got the part, Sean booked it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean booked it. Did you to find out make the movie?

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<v Speaker 6>You just said?

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<v Speaker 5>Because you're right? There was a three three ninjas? One

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<v Speaker 5>the three Ninjas? So do you know why they ended

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<v Speaker 5>up recasting all three of the ninjas?

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<v Speaker 2>Were they different? Yeah, they just got older, they were so.

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<v Speaker 5>But was the family and the second one supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>be three different ninjas or was it supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>The same characters characters?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it was just long enough after that

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted to keep the kids the same age.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think it was the error where

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<v Speaker 2>it was like kids are replaceable.

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<v Speaker 1>But I actually Sean when he got cast, they signed

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<v Speaker 1>him for three films, so maybe they didn't have contracts

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<v Speaker 1>with those first kids, and then those kids were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>now you got to pay us.

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<v Speaker 2>Right for you, we can just replace you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that first one, the first one is not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The one that Sean is in, it's not great Bendy

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<v Speaker 2>ninjenjoys it because Uncle Sewan is in it. Let's put

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<v Speaker 2>it there, we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Indy was really into it because Uncle Sean was in it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know he had a lot of fun. He

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<v Speaker 1>got to go to Japan to make this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and yeah, that one didn't do as well.

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<v Speaker 5>No, that was my So horror movies for you as

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<v Speaker 5>a kid, or like those kind of movies for you

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<v Speaker 5>as a kid were karate and ninja movies.

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<v Speaker 6>For me, that's all I watched.

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<v Speaker 2>You never took martial arts, you never did it.

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<v Speaker 5>I in my head didn't need it because I was

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<v Speaker 5>already a trained assassin. So yeah, my dad, my nickname

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<v Speaker 5>from my father to this day is still Ninja because

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<v Speaker 5>that's all I ever wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And you called your dad ninja.

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<v Speaker 5>My dad calls me Ninja to this day because when

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<v Speaker 5>I was a little kid, he would tell me Ninja stories,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, he would always we'd be you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he'd tuck me in and go, all right, who do

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<v Speaker 5>you want to save tonight? And this was you know,

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<v Speaker 5>first grade, what ever, kindergarten, and I'd picked the cutest

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<v Speaker 5>girl in class, and my dad would tell me a

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<v Speaker 5>story like Okay, so she's walking home from school and

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<v Speaker 5>they were always ruffians.

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<v Speaker 6>She was always attacked by ruffians.

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<v Speaker 3>Ruffians.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course they were probably doing they.

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<v Speaker 5>Were doing a j these ruffians, and then I would

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<v Speaker 5>jump out of the trees because of course I was

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<v Speaker 5>secretly trained by a ninja clan in Japan, even though

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<v Speaker 5>I was six.

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<v Speaker 2>See, you would have loved three Kickback. That's exactly the story.

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<v Speaker 2>They took my dad's ninja stories.

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<v Speaker 5>Because it was I mean, those movies were Sho Kasugi

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<v Speaker 5>was my god growing up. He was in all the

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<v Speaker 5>ninja movies, Revenge of the Ninja, Return of the Ninja.

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<v Speaker 6>It was just, oh god, those are the best.

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<v Speaker 5>So those three Ninja movies were great. I never saw Kickback.

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<v Speaker 5>I gotta be honest with you, I tapped out after

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<v Speaker 5>the first one.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to pod Meets World.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm Daniel fishl, I'm Writer Strong, and I'm Wilfrid.

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<v Speaker 3>As a nostalgia podcast deeply rooted in the eighties and nineties,

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<v Speaker 3>there are certain subjects we find ourselves frequently circling. Obviously TGIF,

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<v Speaker 3>the programming block we all called home for seven seasons,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Disney Channel, another network where our show later

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<v Speaker 3>aired in syndication. I mean, one of us has an

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<v Speaker 3>entire podcast dedicated to just the original films that channel aired.

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<v Speaker 3>But when we take a step back, there is one

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<v Speaker 3>entire outlet of kids entertainment that we often neglect. And

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<v Speaker 3>that same guy with the dcom podcast, well, he started

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<v Speaker 3>his career there. I'm talking about Nickelodeon. Launched in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy nine, commercial free for its first five years, it

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<v Speaker 3>became a powerhouse in the industry with things you normally

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<v Speaker 3>can't do on television, all in the form of scripted series,

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<v Speaker 3>variety shows, animated classics, preschool targeted programming, and one very

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<v Speaker 3>disgusting game show. It was called Doubledare and it ran

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<v Speaker 3>from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety three, forcing teams

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<v Speaker 3>to compete for cash and prizes by answering trivia questions

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<v Speaker 3>and completing messy physical challenges. Almost instantly, the presence of

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<v Speaker 3>Doubledare tripled viewership for the channel and became the most

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<v Speaker 3>watched original daily programming on all of cable TV. And

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<v Speaker 3>at the front and center of this phenomenon was the

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<v Speaker 3>show's host, a man who somehow kept it all together,

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<v Speaker 3>dodging slime whit Cream Pies, Boogers, Eggs, shaving Cream, Seltzer,

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<v Speaker 3>and child size Chocolate Sundays from the traditional school of

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<v Speaker 3>broadcasters and became a Hall of Fame host in one

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<v Speaker 3>of the least traditional game shows ever. He since enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>even more success on the Food Network and in a

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<v Speaker 3>one man show all about his life and career, all

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<v Speaker 3>Endeavors involving a little less chaos. This week on Podmeat's World,

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<v Speaker 3>we are honored to sit down with an icon of

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<v Speaker 3>our childhood. It's the host of Doubledare and so much more.

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<v Speaker 3>Please welcome Mark Summers, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Hy it's hard to see you, Mark to be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for spending some time with us today.

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<v Speaker 4>My pleasure looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 3>So Will Fredell here was on Nickelodeon with you at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, and Will spent so much time trying

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<v Speaker 3>to find a clip or somewhere where he worked with you,

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<v Speaker 3>because he knows he did.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I know, I did. I mean we did.

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<v Speaker 5>Nick takes over your school and all that kind of

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<v Speaker 5>stuff together. So I was on, don't just sit there back.

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<v Speaker 4>In the day you did. Don't just sit there.

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<v Speaker 5>I did, don't just sit there? So I was one

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<v Speaker 5>of the hosts of Don't You Sit There? So we

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<v Speaker 5>saw you all the time, I mean, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>And produced a week of that when the regular guy

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't be there, okay, were in some horrible spot on

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<v Speaker 4>like A thirty third and eleventh.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing that, yeah you that was at the

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<v Speaker 2>first I started.

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<v Speaker 5>Second season, we were at fifty fifth, were at Unitel

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<v Speaker 5>at fifty fifth and ninth.

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<v Speaker 4>Which was much nicer by yes, yes, there were there

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<v Speaker 4>were fewer hookers there nice, but oh my god. I

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<v Speaker 4>always love that show. But for some reason it didn't

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<v Speaker 4>catch on. I think we're a little ahead of our

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<v Speaker 4>time back then.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too. Yeah, we were.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we did two or three seasons, but it

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<v Speaker 5>was And then we went down to Florida and we

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<v Speaker 5>opened up the Universal Studios Florida. There, you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>had that big three hour live spectacular. So I was

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<v Speaker 5>there with you for all of it, and I can't

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<v Speaker 5>find a single clip of the two of us together.

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<v Speaker 4>It was do you say, Josh with the other people

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<v Speaker 4>from Don't You Sit There?

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 5>We Actually, we had our was like forty or thirty

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<v Speaker 5>year reunion here in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody flew out and stayed at the house last year.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was with Matt Matt Brown and Ali Smith

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<v Speaker 5>and Wendy Douglass wasn't here, but she zoomed in and

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<v Speaker 5>the whole band and everybody.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah was we had a great time.

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<v Speaker 4>That was so much fun. And yeah, you know, book

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<v Speaker 4>some great guests on that show, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 5>We had new kids on the block when they were

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<v Speaker 5>just starting, and I think Neil Patrick Harris came on.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we had really yeah, we're My first interview

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<v Speaker 5>ever was weird Al Yankovic, which is and Michael Richards

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<v Speaker 5>for UHF.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had it was a for anybody who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what Don't You Sit There?

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<v Speaker 4>Was?

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<v Speaker 2>We were like a kids Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 5>We had special guests and a band and and did

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<v Speaker 5>skits and was just a ton of fun.

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<v Speaker 4>So one time I was on with Harvey and our

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<v Speaker 4>producers and writers and we pretended to come up with

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<v Speaker 4>a theme song, don't just Sit There, And it was

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<v Speaker 4>me dressed as Elvis just saying for two and a

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<v Speaker 4>half minutes, don't just sit there? No, don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Nickelodeon in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the best. But that's such a.

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<v Speaker 1>Great like, you know, the idea of doing like a

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<v Speaker 1>kid's variety show is really sore smart, Like my son

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<v Speaker 1>would love to watch that, Like I'm I want that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that now, like we need this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>right now everything is so you know, because of streaming,

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<v Speaker 1>like everybody's in their own little thing. The idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like a live show or show that even just with

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<v Speaker 1>a live audience that brings kids together, like Doubledare, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like those were so fun back in.

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<v Speaker 5>The day, and they they did things that they don't

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<v Speaker 5>do anymore. Like, you know, an audience member was our announcer.

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<v Speaker 5>So every every week we'd pick a new audience member

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<v Speaker 5>who would stand up and say, like, you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm John from Secaucus, New Jersey, and welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't just sit there.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was always somebody different every week, and then

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<v Speaker 5>the band would come on.

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<v Speaker 6>It was really really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>The impact that Nickelodeon had back in the day was

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<v Speaker 4>pretty amazing. Doesn't sadly have that same sort of impact anymore,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because kids watch their phones and their iPads,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you say to them, you know, what's Nickelodeon,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't even know. It's a whole different world.

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<v Speaker 5>They'll know the shows they'll know individual shows like oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I know Phineas and ferb for Disney something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>They'll know, But the network itself is just kind of

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<v Speaker 5>not a thing anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really not. If it wasn't for SpongeBob, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>sure they'd still be around, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Mark, while researching your life, we learned that you

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<v Speaker 3>faced a very common and relatable fork in the road

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<v Speaker 3>for those of us who decided to pursue a career

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<v Speaker 3>in Hollywood. You had to decide do I become an

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<v Speaker 3>actor or a rabbi? Who among us has not with

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<v Speaker 3>this decision.

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<v Speaker 4>Requisite as you've got to be Jewish, so I guess

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<v Speaker 4>you could be something else that still want to be

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<v Speaker 4>a rabbi. But you know, after my bar mitsva to me,

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<v Speaker 4>it felt like performing up there the pulpit, as we

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<v Speaker 4>used to say, and it made me think, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>well maybe this is a direction I should go. And

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<v Speaker 4>I was rather confused, and I knew the assistant rabbi,

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<v Speaker 4>Rabbi Weismann, and I rode my bike over the temple

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<v Speaker 4>when I was about thirteen years old, and I knocked

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<v Speaker 4>on the door, and I knew that the rabbi had

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<v Speaker 4>started off majoring in radio and television and then became

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<v Speaker 4>a rabbi. And he said, why do you want to

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<v Speaker 4>become a rabbi? And I said, because I want to

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<v Speaker 4>help people. And he said, if you go to the

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<v Speaker 4>entertainment business, you can help a lot of people a little,

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<v Speaker 4>but if you're a rabbi, you can help a small

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<v Speaker 4>amount of people a lot. So whatever you do, you'll

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<v Speaker 4>be fine. And I chose entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great analogy. Yeah, well put yeah, yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And so then you ended up making the move from

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<v Speaker 3>to Los Angeles from Indianapolis, right, No, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually went to Boston for two years. I went to

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<v Speaker 4>a school called Graham Junior College, which was a school

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<v Speaker 4>of misfits. None of us wanted to go to college,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was sort of the thing to do for

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<v Speaker 4>two reasons, want to improve our education and to day

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<v Speaker 4>out of the draft. And no thing called Vietnam was

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<v Speaker 4>going on back in the day. And while I was there,

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<v Speaker 4>there was a guy by the name of Bert du

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<v Speaker 4>Brow who was still one of my dearest friends, who

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<v Speaker 4>ended up being the execu producer Sally Jess who Rafiela

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<v Speaker 4>Jerry Springer, a guy by the name of Andy Kaufman

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<v Speaker 4>who did what he did, and another guy by the

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<v Speaker 4>name of Paul Fusco who created alf So we have

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<v Speaker 4>talented group of humans.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, were you guys all friends like hanging out?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, gosh?

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<v Speaker 5>How was I have to ask because he can be

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<v Speaker 5>controversial when it comes to is he funny?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he not funny?

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<v Speaker 6>What was just hanging out with Andy Kaufman?

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<v Speaker 4>Like? Okay, I will say this and sorry for anybody

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<v Speaker 4>who cares. I never found Andy funny a day in

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<v Speaker 4>my life. Okay. He was a stranger scene in the

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<v Speaker 4>history of the world. When I was finally over here,

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<v Speaker 4>I became a regular at the Comedy Starre in nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>seventy six, and then you'd walk over to the improv

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<v Speaker 4>over on Melrose and I'd walk in some nights and

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<v Speaker 4>Andy go, hey, Mark, how you doing fine? Well are

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<v Speaker 4>you doing? Oh? Let's go at dinner. So I'd go

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<v Speaker 4>have dinner with Andy and I walk in two nights

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<v Speaker 4>later and I say, Hendy, how are you going to go?

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<v Speaker 4>Do we know each other?

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<v Speaker 3>God?

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<v Speaker 4>So he was always playing mind games and I had

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<v Speaker 4>no use for it, quite honestly, and so I was

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<v Speaker 4>not the biggest fan I think the wrestling thing was,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, not for me. You know, there are people

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<v Speaker 4>who think he's a genius and good for them, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what makes the world go around, but it never worked

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<v Speaker 4>for me. I just didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Was living a bit is just not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to be around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, So from Boston, then you make the move

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<v Speaker 3>to la I did, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I became a page at CBS Television City and I

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<v Speaker 4>worked on Sonny and Share, All in the Family Carol Burnett.

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<v Speaker 4>I got the tail end of real show business and

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<v Speaker 4>got to hang out with all those people. I met

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<v Speaker 4>my wife while I was an usher on the Mary

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<v Speaker 4>Tyler Moore show. I worked on Rhoda. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>worked on all those shows. I worked the last episode

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<v Speaker 4>of Sonny and Share, where it was so intense because

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<v Speaker 4>the announcement had been made that they were getting a divorce,

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<v Speaker 4>and Sunny didn't want to stop shooting and shared this

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<v Speaker 4>want to get it over with. I think we got

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<v Speaker 4>out of there about two o'clock in the morning finally,

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<v Speaker 4>So it was an interesting time to be there. And

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<v Speaker 4>I eventually became a writer on a show called tru

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<v Speaker 4>or Consequences which is another show that Bob Barker used

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<v Speaker 4>to host. And I became a regular at a place

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<v Speaker 4>called the Magic Castle because I was a professional magician

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<v Speaker 4>and worked there from nineteen seventy three until let's see,

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<v Speaker 4>my son was born in nineteen eighty so like eighty

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<v Speaker 4>one eighty two. Became a regular at the store in

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<v Speaker 4>seventy six and then started doing warm ups on shows

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<v Speaker 4>like Star Search and Alison, What's Happening Now? And Soap

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<v Speaker 4>and She. You know, I paid my dues from the

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<v Speaker 4>time I landed in Los Angeles until I got doubled there.

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<v Speaker 4>It was thirteen years, so I really put in my time.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for you. How did you get the job as

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<v Speaker 3>a page? Did you just apply?

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's an interesting story as well. I have all

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<v Speaker 4>sorts of crazy stories. Nothing I did in my life

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<v Speaker 4>was normal. I had gone to a wedding before in

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<v Speaker 4>Indianapolis and somebody said, we know the associate producer Michael

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<v Speaker 4>Zenberg of Bob Newhart Show. Why don't you go meet

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<v Speaker 4>with him? So I called him up and I said,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't know who I am, but I was at

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<v Speaker 4>a wedding and I knew your relatives. And he said,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have the nerve to make that phone call

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<v Speaker 4>I'll see you. And I met with him and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>why don't I send you over to become a page

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<v Speaker 4>at CBS. So I went out there and had a meeting,

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<v Speaker 4>and I met with a guy who was in charge

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<v Speaker 4>of hiring pages. And he said to me, you won't

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<v Speaker 4>last here too long because you're too smart and you

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<v Speaker 4>have too much energy. But there's a thing called cable TV.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this is nineteen seventy four. I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 4>cable TV was, but they're looking for a producer and

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<v Speaker 4>somebody to be a newsreader. So I drove a million

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<v Speaker 4>miles out to see me Valley, which I didn't even

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<v Speaker 4>know what that was at the time, and got the job.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was so thankful that I drove back to

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<v Speaker 4>CBS Television City to the guy who recommended me. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't thank you enough. I was hired on the

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<v Speaker 4>spot and I have a job. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, will tell me about it, and I

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<v Speaker 4>explained it to him and he said, well, congratulations. Two

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<v Speaker 4>hours later, I went home, my phone rang and it

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<v Speaker 4>was the company that hired me, and said, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what you did, but you went back and sold

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<v Speaker 4>this job so well to the guy who sent you,

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<v Speaker 4>that he had more experience, and we're going to hire

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<v Speaker 4>him instead of you. My first screw you in show business.

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<v Speaker 4>So I drove back to CBS Television City, barged into

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<v Speaker 4>the guy's office and I said, you a hole. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't believe after you know me thanking you, you did that.

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<v Speaker 4>And so he said, well, I feel so bad, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>get your job as a page. And so that's how

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<v Speaker 4>I began. Yeah, yeah, gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you explain for our listeners what a page is.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, I don't know that everybody knows what

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<v Speaker 3>a page does. So what was your job?

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<v Speaker 4>My job was to seat the audiences and to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that everybody, you know, ended up where they were

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to end up. To run errands for the people

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<v Speaker 4>on the production companies, and answer phones for the producers

0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.520
<v Speaker 4>and the directors and stuff like that. So it was

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of counting tickets, telling people where the bathroom was,

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<v Speaker 4>and making sure that they were laughing when they should

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<v Speaker 4>be laughing and being quiet when the other time was

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<v Speaker 4>happening for them. And so you were a jack of

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<v Speaker 4>all trades and a master of none, and the whole

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.440
<v Speaker 4>point was to sort of weasele your way in to

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<v Speaker 4>meet the people who were putting on these shows to

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<v Speaker 4>get the job that you wanted to be a producer

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<v Speaker 4>or writer for me talent.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Okay, So, as our resident television fan, I'm just

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<v Speaker 5>the shows you mentioned that you were working on are

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<v Speaker 5>some of the most legendary television shows in the history

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<v Speaker 5>of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 6>What was your favorite one to work on?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Soap, I think because it was controversial at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Billy Crystal was playing the first gay character

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.320
<v Speaker 4>on television. Imagine that, how silly that old thing is.

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<v Speaker 4>But sometimes you'd be out there for hours at a time,

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<v Speaker 4>and after you've told every joke and asked everybody where

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.680
<v Speaker 4>they were from, you didn't have much you could say.

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.240
<v Speaker 4>But on that show, I had Billy Crystal, Jay Johnson

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 4>who did the ventriloquism thing with Chuck and Bob, and

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.600
<v Speaker 4>a terrific comedian called John Binder, And so if I

0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 4>would go on the toilet, I could say, hey, John,

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.159
<v Speaker 4>why don't you get them? Do you know what's on

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.960
<v Speaker 4>the Sullivan Show? And they could feel, you know, my fear,

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.560
<v Speaker 4>and they would get up and help me and so

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 4>it was a fun show, entertaining as hell, and all

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.160
<v Speaker 4>those people to help me. Here's the thing, So many

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.439
<v Speaker 4>of us started off doing warm ups, and the stage

0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.439
<v Speaker 4>next to me was a show called Barney Miller, and

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 4>the warm up on that was David Letterman. To the

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 4>right of me was a show called Bus and Buddies,

0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 4>and Bob Saget was the entertainer and the warm up

0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:27.919
<v Speaker 4>guy in that. So it's how we all sort of

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 4>cut our teeth and got in because you would be

0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.320
<v Speaker 4>in front of people who could hire you either as

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.719
<v Speaker 4>a talent or something else. And that's what we were

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<v Speaker 4>all doing back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, unbelievable, so cool.

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<v Speaker 5>So just in a regular day you would run into

0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, Tom Hanks and Peter Scalari and oh man,

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:48.159
<v Speaker 5>I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point is your goal to be a comedian,

0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>a stand up comedian, or is it to eventually write

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<v Speaker 1>produce or is it acting.

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<v Speaker 4>I never wanted to write and produce ever ever, Ever,

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.400
<v Speaker 4>I fell into that, but I wanted to host television

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.000
<v Speaker 4>shows and I came out and I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 4>a game show host, which back when I moved out

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 4>here in seventy three, seventy four. That was a profession

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.880
<v Speaker 4>you could actually pursue and have happened. Now unless you're

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, a star of celebrity. Yeah, celebrity.

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.919
<v Speaker 4>You can't even apply for those jobs. And so I

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 4>did warm ups on game shows and then I did

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 4>some announcing on some game and game shows. That did

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 4>a show called Bruce Forthside's Hotstreak, which was on ABC.

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 4>I did some pilots for people, and so you keep

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 4>taking baby steps until you kind of get where you

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.360
<v Speaker 4>want to go, and Doubledare was a mistake as well.

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 4>I was never called to audition for that show. A

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<v Speaker 4>friend of mine, Dave Garrison, who was a vent triloquist

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.640
<v Speaker 4>that I knew in Indianapolis, got the call and he

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.879
<v Speaker 4>was tired of sort of beating the bushers and not

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.399
<v Speaker 4>getting forward. So he said to me, there's some network

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.560
<v Speaker 4>called me. I've never heard of them, called Nickelodeon. They

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 4>want me to audition for some game show. I don't

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 4>want to go. Why don't you go instead of me?

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<v Speaker 4>So I went over there and they said Dave Garrison,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, he's not here. My name is Mark Summers

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<v Speaker 4>audition instead of m They said sure, which by the way.

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 4>I don't think you can even do that today. No,

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<v Speaker 4>And I did the first audition and got three callbacks.

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<v Speaker 4>And the one thing I always learned that auditions was

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 4>get the name of the exec producer and a phone

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 4>number because there was no email back then. And so

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<v Speaker 4>I got the head of casting, who brought me in

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 4>eventually and the exec producer, and I knew the show

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<v Speaker 4>was going to start shooting on September, and right around

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 4>Labor Day, I called Mike Klinghoffer, who was the exec producer,

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:28.639
<v Speaker 4>and said, have you guys made a decision or not?

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 4>And they said, well, it's down between you and another guy,

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 4>and we can't see him to decide. I said, well,

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.280
<v Speaker 4>what's the deciding factor and they said, well, we've never

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:39.680
<v Speaker 4>actually seen you with kids, because when I did the audition,

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:41.919
<v Speaker 4>they had grown up playing the part of kids. And

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 4>I said, well, I have kids, and they said, well

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.360
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't mean anything. And I said, well I used

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 4>to do magic shows for kids, and they said, well

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't mean anything. So I suggested, why don't you

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 4>fly me and whoever this other guy is into LA,

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 4>let us do this show in the New York brother

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.159
<v Speaker 4>and do a show with kids playing the game and

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 4>let the best man win, and they said, we'll call

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 4>you back. They called me back. I auditioned, and the

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 4>way I got the job was at the end of it,

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 4>they called me and they said, congratulations, you're the host

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 4>of Double Dare. And I said, well, what separated me

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 4>from the other guy? And they said, you were both

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 4>both about the same. But at the end of his audition,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 4>he looked in the camera and said, is that it

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:17.120
<v Speaker 4>or do you guys want me to do something else?

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 4>And I looked in the camera and I said, we'll

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 4>be back with more Double Dare right after this. And

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 4>because they threw it a commercial, they thought that was

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 4>more of a professional professional and that changed my life. Wow.

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 5>Mike Klinghoffer hearing these names out loud again that I

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.560
<v Speaker 5>haven't heard since I was on your show, He was,

0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 5>it was really amazing to hear all these names.

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, did you remember Roseanne le Popolo?

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 6>Was she also there at the time.

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 4>She was there and sadly passed away about a year ago.

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I went to her and they had something for her out.

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<v Speaker 4>Here and very smart and entertaining to be around, that's

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 4>for sure.

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely, Oh yes, man, I.

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Knew her very well. Oh just Collingwood was your director?

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, Dan, I have heard that name since

0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:02.159
<v Speaker 5>I was twelve years I'm.

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 4>Still in touch with all these guys. We're all still friends.

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh mavery Darby, Jef Darby, these Oh I can't even

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 5>I can't even who now.

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 6>Who was president of Nickelodeon at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Jerry?

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 6>It was Jerry at the time.

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 5>So one of the stories that I have about Jerry Laborne,

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 5>and she was an incredible I mean, she was president

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 5>of the network and I think one of the first

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 5>female presidents of any network at the time.

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.480
<v Speaker 4>And I was doing USA Network and Jerry was second.

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>And Jerry was sat. Yeah. So she's there and I'd

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 2>never met her.

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 5>And we're down in Florida and we're opening the studio

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:36.120
<v Speaker 5>and somebody comes up to me and says my co host,

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 5>a girl at the time comes up and says, do

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 5>you know where the bathroom is? And I said, I

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 5>don't know. And I see this woman walk up. I'm like,

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 5>can you, hey, lady, can you walk her to the bathroom?

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 4>It was.

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:47.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the first time I met Jerry Laborne. Network.

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 4>A train trip down from New York to Florida.

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 5>To No I missed the train trip. They flew us

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 5>down to do that for the opening. So this is

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 5>such a shows the synergy of the of the network.

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 5>When they moved Matt, Ally, Wendy and I down to

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 5>Florida to do the three hour opening of Nickelodeon Studios,

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 5>we all needed a legal guardian, and Robin was our

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 5>legal guardian.

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>No, yes, assistant. Robin was our legal guardian down there.

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 6>We all had our own apartments.

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 5>It's like I was twelve or thirteen, Wow, and they

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 5>shut down Universal Studios and my job at thirteen was

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 5>to go on the rides over and over and over

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 5>again while they filmed us in a closed park.

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>My three friends, my three best friends and I.

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 5>At the time had an amusement park to ourselves six

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 5>weeks and Robin was our guide.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Was our guardian.

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 4>Because many of us took a train from New York

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 4>down to Nickelodeon and Orlando, and we would stop in

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 4>various cities and yeah, you know, like Canada's be on

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 4>the back of a train telling people about this fantastic

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 4>thing that's opening in Orlando for Nickelodeon. It was such

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 4>a cool thing.

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:55.120
<v Speaker 2>It was so cool.

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 5>Everything we would do, Nick takes over your school. I

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 5>mean that whole just being and all that stuff was

0:27:59.080 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 5>the coolest thing ever.

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, Yeah, So I want to go back to

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 3>the friend whose audition you took when the show ended

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 3>up becoming massively successful. Was your friend a little bitter?

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 4>No. He became a very successful producer in Los Angeles

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.919
<v Speaker 4>and liked being behind the camera. He you know, I

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:21.239
<v Speaker 4>used to host audition I at the Improv and you know,

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 4>you would go every Monday night and hope that somebody

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 4>would see you in ninety nine times out one hundred,

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 4>they didn't. And he got tired of doing that. And

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 4>that's the difference between, you know, folks who make it

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 4>and folks who are going He made it in the

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 4>different side of the industry, but most I had a

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 4>guy called me once from college and say, I'm going

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 4>to go to LA for six weeks and try it out.

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 4>And I said, don't even bother six weeks. You can't

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 4>do anything. So you got to put in. You know,

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 4>very rarely somebody will come into town and just instantaneously.

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 4>Dave Letterman made it about twelve seconds when he came here.

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 4>But there was something special about him. Robin Williams also

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 4>another guy who came into town and instantaneously hit it.

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 4>But that's like finding a needle in a haystack generally,

0:28:59.040 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 4>you know.

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what was your approach for this job? It's

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 3>obviously not an easy task to keep it on the rails.

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Did you have a plan for how you were going

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 3>to do that?

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 4>I was just going to be myself. Here was the deal.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 4>I never wanted to host a kid's game show. I

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do a grown up show, and so I

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 4>treated the kids like grownups. I never said, hey, Boby,

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 4>do you have a girlfriend? I like, I was never

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 4>trying to sending and I would screw around with the

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 4>kids and they got that right away, and they would

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 4>screw around back with me. And when they did focus groups,

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 4>they said I was kind of like a crazy uncle

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 4>or a big brother, as opposed to some you know,

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 4>hoity toity big guy, you know, trying to be authoritative.

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 4>And there was a fine line, but I think I

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 4>found it, and that's what was magical. We shot five

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 4>and twenty five episodes of that show.

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, how many episodes would you shoot in

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a day?

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 4>I got up to six a day, six day.

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 3>So you're hired as the host and producer of Doubledare

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.040
<v Speaker 3>what is established for this show when you get there

0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 3>on day one? How fleshed out was it versus? How

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 3>much did you have to create?

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Not very because most of the people who were there

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 4>from the Nickelodeon side had never done a game show

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 4>in their life. I was the only one who had

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 4>any game show experience. And so the first episode that

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 4>took eight hours. Okay, it was just one mistake after another.

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 4>They forgot to put the flags in the places to

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 4>get the flags for the optical course, and it was

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 4>a nightmare. And I just remember Jerry Layborne grabbing her

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 4>head in the director's move and going, what the hell

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 4>have we done here? You know, there was something back

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.479
<v Speaker 4>then called playground talk, and at the time UHF stations

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 4>were popular and facts of life in different strokes with

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 4>the number one and two shows, and all of a sudden,

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 4>kids would go home and watch our show and then

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 4>go on the playground the next day and said, I

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 4>saw this show where if you jump into five thousand

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 4>pounds of baked beans, they send you to dizzy And

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 4>they went, what the hell is that, and all of

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 4>a sudden the ratings dropped off of new facts and

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 4>different strokes, and they found us and our ratings were

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 4>off the charts. I mean, now, if you get a

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 4>point two or point three in the rate on television,

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 4>that's big. We were getting fives and six's. You know,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 4>we get gigantic numbers and they contribute the sale of

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 4>a cable to families to three people. One Larry King

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 4>on CNN could nobody had seen what he had done?

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 4>A Gallagher who was doing comedy specials on Showtime and

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 4>me and Nickelodeon and putting Nicoletin do on the map

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 4>because Doubledare was this thing that nobody had ever seen.

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 4>It was the first kid's game show and you know,

0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 4>right place, right time.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Wow, So are you just sitting around on the brainstorming

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 3>ridiculously gross ideas for physically challenges as a job.

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 4>That's very funny that you bring that up, because we

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 4>would do stunt testing. We would shoot six shows a

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 4>day and wouldn't even go to dinner. We would bring

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 4>in kids from the Philadelphia area where we first started

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 4>in New Jersey, and we would test physical challenges and

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 4>come up with the craziest things in the world, and

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 4>unless they worked three times, they never got on the show.

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 4>And the famous one was we had a mailbox, typical mailbox,

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 4>old school mailbox, and they made paper planes, and the

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 4>physical challenge was, you have thirty seconds to get one

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 4>paper plane in the mailbox. And I said, this is

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 4>the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It will never happen.

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 4>And they said, just because you said that, we're going

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 4>to do it tomorrow on the show. So we come

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 4>to that physical challenge and I looked in the camera

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 4>and I said, okay, look, I don't agree with this

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 4>physical challenge. I think it's so stupid. They want me

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 4>to get this kid over here to send that paper

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 4>airplane into the mailbox. And I looked at the kid

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 4>and I said, and if you can do that, I'll

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 4>give you my house. Okay, so I'm your mark. Get

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 4>set go. The first time he threw a plane, it

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 4>went right, so you sh'd never know. And I know

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 4>I didn't give my house.

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I have to know. When does the

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.719
<v Speaker 3>huge nose filled with boogers and one flag come into play.

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 4>That was about our second season, because at one point,

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.479
<v Speaker 4>you know, you try to top yourself, because there were

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 4>so many people watching, and they went, well, now what

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 4>can we do? And you know, certainly, as a kid,

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 4>you would get your hands lapped for sticking your hand

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 4>up your nose and picking up bogogers. So we thought, well,

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 4>let's reward the kids and do that. And you know,

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 4>we had the tank. Initially it was filled with styrofoam,

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 4>and then it was filled with water, and Mike Klinghoffer,

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 4>I believe, was the one who said, well, why don't

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 4>we fill it with baked beans? And trying to find

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 4>enough baked beans to fill that tank is insane. The

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 4>harder part was, you know, after a while, baked beans

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 4>in a studio with hot light starts to smell like

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 4>the most prancid cafeteria you've ever been in your entire life.

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 4>And we tried to get them out by shoveling them

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 4>into these big plastic bags, but the bags kept breaking.

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 4>So you know, the guys should come in and clean

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 4>out your sewers. We called in a guy who cleans

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 4>out sewers and septic tanks. He came in and hip

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 4>waiters and took one of those big sort of vacuum

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 4>things and suck the beans up. So I have stories

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 4>that go on forever with this.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh I never once thought of the smell. And I

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 3>also never thought i'd hear suck the beans out. And

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 3>now I'm just really.

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 4>Together ready, one, two, three out? Yeah. I used to

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 4>pay me to do that, so that was fantastic.

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 5>That's the thing I always remember about being on shows

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 5>like this, especially back in the eighties, was they would

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 5>be you would do these things that on paper it's like,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 5>oh my god, I get to have a giant food

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 5>fight today.

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I get it.

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 5>And then by the third hour, when you're covered in

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.400
<v Speaker 5>the stuff, it's slippery, you've already fallen twice, everything stinks.

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.439
<v Speaker 5>You're kind of going, oh, this looks a lot better

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 5>on TV than actually exactly editing, yeah exactly.

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Was there ever a challenge that you absolutely hated every

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 3>time it was wheeled out?

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 4>No, but there were certain things they would try. They

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do a physical challenge with dog food, and

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 4>if you open up a can of dog food, I

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 4>started puking, and they said, well, let's try it, and

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:38.560
<v Speaker 4>they brought out the thing and opened up the dog

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.439
<v Speaker 4>and I stopped tape and ran outside and I said,

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 4>get that stuff off the stage. I'm going to throw

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 4>up here in a second. So that was not fun.

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 4>But no, it was all fun. Look, ye are you

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 4>kidding me? I was thirty four years old, wanting to

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 4>do this my entire life and they were paying me

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 4>to tell kids to go grab flags out of large noses.

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 4>You know how bad could that have been? It was amazing?

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 5>So wait, you said that, said you were bringing in

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 5>kids locally from the Philadelphia and New Jersey area.

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Where were you shooting when you first.

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.839
<v Speaker 4>Started WHYY, which was the PBS station in Philadelphia, because

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Nickelodeon had no money and they didn't want to spend

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 4>any money in New York. And believe it or not,

0:35:12.680 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen eighty six, we were spending nine thousand dollars

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 4>an episode You Couldn't Do Anything Today for nine thousand

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.320
<v Speaker 4>dollars house, and then we kicked it up to twelve thousand,

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 4>and then it got to twenty five thousand, and then

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, Funhouse came on and they were

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 4>going to, you know, try and beat us, and so

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.720
<v Speaker 4>Warner Brothers was pouring a bunch of dough into Funhouse.

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 4>So Nickelodeon decided, well, we better pour some money in

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 4>as well, and when the budgets became fifty thousand dollars

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 4>an episode, which still is nothing compared to today's budgets,

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 4>Jeffrey Darby called me and thought, we were out of

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 4>our mind. Why are we spending so much money on

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.240
<v Speaker 4>these episodes? But you know, if you wanted to compete

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 4>and say it, because there were like seventeen lookalike shows

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 4>and we wanted to stay number one, and we did so.

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 5>When you started, were they was Nickelodeon already established at

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 5>the Viacom building in New York.

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 2>They weren't even there yet.

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 4>No, they ran a different Vicon building that is there now.

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 4>They were down the street closer to Central Park, then

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 4>finally moved down. But you know, the thing I remember

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 4>about Nickelodeon was the only reason I even knew what

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.919
<v Speaker 4>the hell they were was I had babies at the time,

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 4>and they had a horrible puppet show that ran, you know,

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 4>eighteen hours a day called Pinwheel Publish Worst Everything, And

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I would be up at three in the morning to

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.399
<v Speaker 4>feed my kids and I would be watching Pinwheel. That's

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 4>all I knew about Nickeoloeon. They did a talk show

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 4>for a while that was sort of Donahue esque for

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.879
<v Speaker 4>kids didn't work at all. It wasn't until we came

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 4>on the air.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 6>Although don't you can't do that on television a kid?

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was the show that I think really started

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 4>the whole thing and all probably we get credit, but

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 4>they got did they were? They were great?

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.080
<v Speaker 6>Was Doubledare before you? Because I know you can't do

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 6>that on television.

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 5>It was a Canadian show that was on YTV that

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 5>then Nickelodeon brought to the States where you was doubled

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 5>air first Double Their was first? Right, No, oh, you

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 5>can't do that on television?

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Was first?

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 4>Was first?

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because that's where Nickelodeon really got the idea of

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 5>that's where slime came in.

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 4>And they used to start kids the money on that

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 4>show if they would let them slime them.

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 3>I cannot stand slime. I don't even allow my children

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 3>to have it. Did you literally just come home with

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 3>the feeling of slime every day?

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Well, it depends and show business that's a regular thing.

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 4>But we had showers. There needs to say, and so

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 4>I would. After the first sixty five episodes, I learned,

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 4>first of all, I never wore tennis shoes. I wore

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 4>penny loafers, and I didn't want that mess on me

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 4>at all because I had obsessive compulsive disorder. Of course,

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 4>nobody knew what I didn't even know what it was

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 4>at the time. And they went to focus groups and

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 4>the kids said, they love the show, but they want

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 4>to get you messy. And I said why and they said, well,

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 4>they just think it would be fun. So starting season

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 4>two on, the kids would say, well, if we win

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 4>the optical course, can we throw a pie in your face?

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 4>Or can we slime you? Or can we throw you

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 4>into you know this or that.

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>And that dog food?

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Yes? Yeah, yeah, and so yes. I would take a

0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 4>shower after every show and put on, you know, a

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 4>new pair of jeans and a new tie and a

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 4>new sports jacket, and go ahead and do it again.

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 5>Man, Well it might have been it might not have

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 5>meant too much to you at thirty four, but I

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 5>can tell you at twelve, because I went up with

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 5>the with the don't you sit there? Sent me with

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 5>the producer and I went up to you can't do

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 5>that on television and went to the set and got

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 5>to come out of the lockers and did everything and

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 5>it culminated with me getting slimed on the set.

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 6>And it's still one of the coolest things I've ever

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 6>done in mine.

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was great. It's not what you expect.

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:20.439
<v Speaker 5>It was a guy standing behind you with a ladder

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.239
<v Speaker 5>and a cigar hanging out, just dumping a bucket on

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 5>your head. It was wasn't magically from the ceilings, but

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 5>it was still like one of the coolest things I

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 5>got to do in my career.

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 4>I was spoken a cigar. That was a key point

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:30.760
<v Speaker 4>of that old.

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 2>S Yeah exactly, but.

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 4>Half the time that was exactly.

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 5>It was magical though as a kid it was being

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 5>a Nickelodeon was absolutely magical.

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 4>How old do you know?

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm I just turned forty nine.

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Oh are you really?

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:45.839
<v Speaker 4>Good for you?

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh thank you? So yeah. So it was.

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 5>I got cast when I was twelve, and I was

0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 5>on Nickelodeon from twelve to fifteen and did a bunch

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 5>of shows for them, and then at sixteen I got

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 5>boy me throw to move out to LA But yeah,

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 5>I was there opening this the You and I. That's

0:38:58.719 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 5>the thing I was trying to find is I think

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 5>you and I both were there and we co hosted

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 5>the opening of the Slime Geyser.

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:04.839
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes we did.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>So that was one.

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 5>I think by that point I was fourteen and I

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 5>was like, oh my god, I get to work with

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 5>Mark and it was just the.

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 2>Cool because well, you were the face.

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you were truly the face of the network,

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 5>and I was when you thought of Nickelodeon, you thought

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:20.319
<v Speaker 5>of you and Double Dare. That was what put Nickelodeon

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.839
<v Speaker 5>on the map. Was was that? And I remember distinctly

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 5>being upset because when they I was recast.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 2>On Don't You Sit There?

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.399
<v Speaker 5>So I took over for one of the hosts set

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 5>left and when they brought me on, I missed. I

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 5>guess the entire cast of Don't You Sit There? Went

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 5>on Doubledare and got to run the obstacle course like

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 5>two days before they brought me home man. And so

0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 5>I was it is because again I watched Nickelodeon, and

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 5>that meant watching Doubledare, That's what you watched, and it

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 5>was I had friends. We would sit on the playground

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 5>talking about, well, what do we have to do to

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 5>get on the show?

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Do you send in?

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 5>At the time, it was I think somebody said you

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 5>could VHS tape you could send in yourself, or you

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 5>had to make a phone call. But we actively tried

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 5>to find out how to get on the show as kids.

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 4>We had to tour the country and do auditions, you know,

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:05.439
<v Speaker 4>all over the country as well.

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 6>So that, I mean, that's a good question.

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 5>How did if you were a kid, what was the

0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 5>best way to get on Double Dare? How did I mean,

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 5>what was the audition process?

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:17.280
<v Speaker 4>Like in Philadelphia? We picked from Philly, New Jersey area,

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 4>and then got into New York and we moved on

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 4>to Orlando. This was the best part. We would hold

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 4>up signs and say who wants to audition for Double Dare?

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 4>And in a day we had a bazillion people there

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 4>and we would turn the audiences over. It sat about

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 4>five in Philly, we only shot abou sat about ninety people,

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 4>but in Orlando we had about five hundred, and we

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 4>would turn the audiences over. You saw Round one, got

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 4>redmend brought in a new group, see round two, get

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 4>rid of them, bring people in. Watched you know, a

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 4>couple obstacle courses. Because there were so many people who

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 4>came to Orlando and came to Universal Studios just to

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 4>see our show. And we tried to get as many

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 4>people in as possible, and that's where we'd be in

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 4>Audis because we were doing family double there at the time. Yeah,

0:40:57.560 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 4>we were psheing moms and dads and kids and we

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 4>did already doubled air with Weird Al and Luf Farigno

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 4>and you name it, we did them. You know, they

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 4>all wanted to be on the show.

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Well it's just so much.

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 3>It's a massive hit pretty quickly. Does your entire life change?

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Do kids recognize you everywhere you go?

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know that was pretty instantaneous. That was so

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 4>bizarre to me to be, you know, having dinner at

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 4>a you know, McDonald's with my family and you know,

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.439
<v Speaker 4>fourteen people come up to you. Now cell phones didn't exist. Yeah,

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, they couldn't take pictures, so to speak, but

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 4>they all wanted autographs and they wanted to talk to you.

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, it changed a lot. And you know, nobody

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 4>can prepare you for that, because you just don't have

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 4>any idea what it's like when you're you know, trying

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 4>to go to the bathroom between an intermission on a

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 4>Broadway show and so many points to you as you're

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 4>going to the bathroom, they go, aren't you. Yeah, it

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:51.280
<v Speaker 4>just happens in weird spots.

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Yep, did your kids think it was cool? I actually

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>went to high school with your son. Oh did you

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 3>really yes, Calabasas High.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god. Yes, they thought it was cool because

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 4>I got to do all sorts of things. I you know,

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 4>I hosted Easter at the White House, so they got

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 4>to go there and hang out at the White House.

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, I was always going to you know, throwing

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 4>out first pitches at Major League Baseball games, and so

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 4>they got to participate in all that stuff and got

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 4>to tour with me when I was out on the road,

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, doing Doubledare Live and stuff. So yeah, it's

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 4>they had a lot of fun doing that stuff.

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 3>So I want to talk to you about your one

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 3>man show, The Life and Slimes of Mark Summers. How

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 3>did this come about?

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 4>In nineteen sixty four, I went to New York for

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 4>the first time and saw Fiddler on the Road with

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 4>Herschel Bernardi, and I thought, oh my god, I've never

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 4>seen anything like this growing up in Indiana. My parents

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 4>never took me to Broadway shows, touring shows, and I said,

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 4>this is what I want to do so when I

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 4>saw that at age thirteen, I tried to figure it

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 4>out well. I took a bunch of other paths, obviously,

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 4>from magic to stand up comedy to hosting and whatever,

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 4>but it was always in the back of my head.

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 4>And first I was diagnosed with cancer and got through that.

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 4>And then I was in a car accident where I

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 4>broke every bone in my face. And I met with

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 4>a guy who was starring in Hairspray Bruce Flanche at

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 4>the time, and I had lunch with him one afternoon

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 4>and I said, you know, someday I want to do this,

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 4>and he said, summer. Stopped talking about it and do

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 4>it already. And so I met a producer who had

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 4>a summer theater in Long Beach Island, New Jersey, and

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:34.400
<v Speaker 4>I said, hey, I'd love to be on Broadway. But

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:35.799
<v Speaker 4>I know you're not going to give me that job

0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:37.879
<v Speaker 4>right away. But if there's any job I can get

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:40.239
<v Speaker 4>to sort of work my way in, and he said,

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 4>give me your number. I don't know. I just bought

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 4>the summerstock theater and let me see. And he called

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 4>me about a month later and I said, we're doing Greece.

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.840
<v Speaker 4>Would you like to play Vince Fontagne. I said, do

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 4>I have to audition? He said no, it's yours and

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 4>I took it. And so that was about twelve thirteen

0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.439
<v Speaker 4>summers ago, and I played Vince Fontaine and Greece. While

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 4>I was there, I met a guy by the name

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 4>of Drew Gasperini who introduced me to a guy by

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 4>the name of Alex Brightman, and they become fast friends.

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Brightman has since started in School of Rock and Beetlejuice

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 4>and numerous other things, and drew as a writer of

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 4>several Broadway shows and musicals. And I said one day

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 4>I want to do a one man show, and they

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 4>wrote it for me. We started it in Bloomington, Indiana.

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 4>Then we went and did the at around at Theater Festival.

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 4>We did a place in Pennsylvania, and we did Buffalo,

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.399
<v Speaker 4>New York. And while we were playing Buffalo a couple

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 4>summers ago, the Missus Doubtfire tour had opened next to us,

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 4>and the director of that show came, unbeknownst to me

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 4>on his day off to see it. Came backstage afterwards

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.240
<v Speaker 4>and said, have you ever thought about doing this on Broadway?

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 4>And I said, well, anywhere in New York would be great,

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.759
<v Speaker 4>and he said, well, I know people, why don't I

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 4>connect you. He set up a meeting a couple of

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 4>weeks later in New York, and three months later I

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 4>opened my show six months off Broadway called The Life

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 4>and Times of Mark summer Man Ough. Yeah, it was

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 4>so much fun. I did the show.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Change it all going to Broadway or was pretty much.

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it got better. I became more relaxed. When I

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 4>first started doing it, I was nervous at trouble remembering lines.

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 4>And things changed in my life from the twelve years

0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 4>we started it to where it ended up. And plus

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 4>I had, you know, real people behind me now with

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 4>a real stage and real lights and real everything. And

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 4>it was Chadra Benovitz, who was our director, who initially

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 4>took the bull by the horns and said, this is

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 4>something that I like and we should be doing. So

0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.280
<v Speaker 4>the original team Chad and Me and Drew and Alex

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 4>and a guy by the name of Mike Nappie. From

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 4>day one we worked together and we ended up doing

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 4>it in New York together and it was one of

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 4>the biggest thrills in my life. And then from there

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 4>somebody from Hallmark saw me and I start in a

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 4>Hallmark movie called Hanegun the Rocks that aired last December,

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 4>which we'll airn now forever.

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's that's amazing.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 5>So wait, you mentioned that your your family never took

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 5>you to like Broadway shows or things like that. Was

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.880
<v Speaker 5>anybody in your family in the entertainment business?

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 3>How?

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:07.800
<v Speaker 2>A brother the love start.

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:11.480
<v Speaker 4>My brother was a musician and he was a prodigy,

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.839
<v Speaker 4>and at age fifteen he was being picked up from

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 4>our house and driven to Chicago to play drums with

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 4>Henry Mancini and Johnny Mathis, for God's sake. So he

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 4>was in the industry doing that, still doing it today,

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.359
<v Speaker 4>believe it or not, in his late seventies and doing

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 4>orchestras and stuff. He was Marvin Hamlish's conductor for ten years.

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 4>I mean he's he was in the industry, but in

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 4>a different form, more behind the scenes. And you know,

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 4>my dad was in the insurance business, and my parents said,

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, you should go in the insurance business with

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 4>your father. You'd be a great, you know, guy who

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 4>could do that. And I had no interest. All I

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 4>ever wanted to do. I came out of the world

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:46.480
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be in the entertainment industry. I never took

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 4>a job in a restaurant. I never worked at Macy's.

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 4>Not there's anything wrong with that, but I went with

0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 4>the idea that if you do that, then chances of

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:54.839
<v Speaker 4>you going where you want to go is going to happen.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 4>So I never took a job outside the business. The

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 4>worst job I ever had was at a restaurant called

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 4>The Hungry Tiger and Los Angeles, and I was a

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 4>disc jockey and a disco that they had for a while,

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 4>and I hated that job. But that was as far

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 4>outside show business I ever got.

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Man, you mentioned that you had been diagnosed with cancer

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 3>a long time ago. How is your health now.

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm on medication on a daily basis. I take a

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 4>pill that only cost eighteen thousand thousand a month.

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, that's it.

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.720
<v Speaker 4>Huh, Yeah, that's it. I was in chemo three times.

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 4>First time for two years and it was good for

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 4>a few years. It took it again for a year,

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 4>it was good for a year or two. Took it

0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:33.319
<v Speaker 4>again and it wasn't good and they were really going

0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 4>to have to blast me with some really intense stuff.

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 4>Or if this pill works and it doesn't work on everybody,

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:38.919
<v Speaker 4>you're in pretty good shape.

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 6>And so is it to Griso?

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Pardon me?

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Is it to Griso?

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 4>No, It's called IMBRUVCA okay, And I've been on it

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 4>for almost five years now and it's keeping me alive.

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll be seventy four in about eight weeks,

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.360
<v Speaker 4>and you know, still feel like a million bucks.

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Good for you. I also wanted to talk to you

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 3>about something else you had mentioned, and we kind of

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 3>glossed right over it. But I know people like to

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 3>focus on your OCD now and how you hosted the

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 3>messiest show on TV. My husband also suffers from OCD,

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 3>but he has more of the obsessive thoughts rather than

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.839
<v Speaker 3>the truth. Yes, exactly. And so what was it like

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 3>for you doing double there and having OCD and not

0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:20.760
<v Speaker 3>even knowing it at the time.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, I knew I didn't like get messy, and I

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 4>knew I liked everything organized, but you wait your whole

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 4>life to get a job. Little did I know it

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 4>was going to be the Miss MESSI show on television.

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.320
<v Speaker 4>And so I had to have a conversation with myself.

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 4>You finally got where you want to go? Are you

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 4>going to let this stand in your way? And so

0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 4>nobody knew I had it. I didn't even know what

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 4>it was called. And then when I was diagnosed, I

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 4>was hosting a talk show on Lifetime called Biggers and

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Summers and doctor Eric Hollander was on, and I read

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 4>the research the night before and found out, Oh my god,

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 4>all the stuff I've been doing as a name. And

0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.359
<v Speaker 4>I had to decide we were live. Do I lie

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 4>and go on that show and pretend I don't have it,

0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 4>or do I come out and say, hey, this is

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 4>what I have. And I said, this is what I

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 4>have and made the announcement. Well, the next thing I know,

0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm on Oprah and Dateline and Jerry Labor and the

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 4>president of the network called me and apologized. I said,

0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:11.000
<v Speaker 4>you have nothing to apologize for. It changed my life

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 4>in a positive way, you know, but who knew. So

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 4>it's about I have a podcast called March and Summers

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 4>on wraps. And here's the deal. You go to a movie,

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:21.479
<v Speaker 4>you see a movie star, you watch somebody on TV,

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:24.120
<v Speaker 4>go to a Broadway show and see somebody and you say, well,

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:25.839
<v Speaker 4>they have the best life in the world. How did

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 4>that happen? And it's about having a passion and why

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 4>do some people give up on that passion and go

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 4>sell shoes or you know, working in the insurance business

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:39.439
<v Speaker 4>and others. Keep moving. And I've had everybody on my show.

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 4>We just had Jay Leno on this past week. I've

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.439
<v Speaker 4>got George Klepper coming on in the next couple of weeks,

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.399
<v Speaker 4>Michael Simon, who was a chef on Food Network. We've

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 4>been fascinating people on the show. We've been doing it

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 4>for a couple of years, and those are where the

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 4>stories are really interesting. Is what made you decide to

0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 4>keep going forward? Because the word that you generally hear

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 4>in the entertainment industry, as you all know, is no,

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:03.400
<v Speaker 4>you didn't get the job. Why do you keep moving forward?

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 4>Then you either have to have a hell of a

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 4>lot of confidence in yourself or be out of your mind,

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 4>or combination of the two. You know, and all of

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 4>us here are talking today kind of have that in

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:12.640
<v Speaker 4>our bodies. Yeah.

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:14.839
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's also what you said about you were born

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 5>wanting to be an entertainer. I think those are the

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 5>people that you meet more often than not. Out Here

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:22.400
<v Speaker 5>are people that we've talked about this Danielle Ryder and

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:27.240
<v Speaker 5>I where you can't see yourself doing anything else.

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 6>Ever, you can't not be in the entertainment industry.

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.239
<v Speaker 4>And I felt like I've never worked a day in

0:50:33.280 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 4>my life. I can achieve that I get a check

0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:37.440
<v Speaker 4>to do what I do, you know, And I've done

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 4>talk shows and I've done game shows, and you know,

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:42.440
<v Speaker 4>I've done a little bit of everything, and at the

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 4>end of the week, I get a check for that.

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 4>It's like, are you kidding me out? Have done this

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 4>for free? You know?

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly.

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.880
<v Speaker 5>Is there any talk anywhere about bringing back Doubledare?

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 4>I doubt it because you know, as you know, Nickelodeon

0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 4>was just sold in the whole CBS Paramount deal. When

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 4>we came back seven eight years ago, the show was

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:05.719
<v Speaker 4>doing great, but new management came in and the first

0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.240
<v Speaker 4>thing new management does is cancel things, whether they're successful

0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 4>or not. Could I still do the show? Absolutely. I

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 4>went out and did a tour a few years ago,

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 4>and you know, we had more adults and kids because

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.680
<v Speaker 4>they wanted to relive their childhood. But I can't imagine

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 4>in a million years two things a that they would

0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.200
<v Speaker 4>even bring it back, or anybody who's running Nickelodeon these

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:25.879
<v Speaker 4>days even knows what double there is. And I'm sure,

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 4>they would be very hesitant to take a seventy four

0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 4>year old man and put them on that position. I

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 4>could do it. We had an influencer do it last time.

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 4>She did an okay job. But you know, I always

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.359
<v Speaker 4>say this, and it's true. She was sick one day

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:40.279
<v Speaker 4>and I filled in, and when I did, the ratings

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.799
<v Speaker 4>went up twenty five percent. So there's something I bring

0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:44.000
<v Speaker 4>to the show that of course.

0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Of course.

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Man.

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:48.520
<v Speaker 3>One thing I wanted to ask you about too, that

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 3>is properly viral in twenty twenty five, especially with TikTok

0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 3>is your encounter with Burt Reynolds on The Tonight Show.

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Are you surprised that this clip is running rampant more

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:00.799
<v Speaker 3>than thirty years later?

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 4>Thirty years later and it doesn't go away? You know,

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:08.319
<v Speaker 4>every six weeks there's a debate online about me and

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 4>Bert and everybody says, oh, it was all set up,

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 4>And as I always say, I'm not that good of

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.280
<v Speaker 4>an actor. I couldn't have done that. He just hated

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 4>me for the minute I walked out there, and what

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 4>happened is what happened. Jay, you know, called me the

0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.239
<v Speaker 4>next day and was going out between you and Bert.

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, you had no idea that I was going

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 4>to turn into what it turned into. But it never

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:27.840
<v Speaker 4>seems to go away. And when they do the you

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.440
<v Speaker 4>know classic moments of the Tonight Show, I'm in that

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:31.439
<v Speaker 4>thing every darn time.

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:33.879
<v Speaker 3>Did you ever run into Bert again?

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:35.879
<v Speaker 4>No? I would have run him over if I could,

0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:41.160
<v Speaker 4>But I didn't run into No. I did not. And

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 4>I was at a French house the next day who

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:45.759
<v Speaker 4>knew his publicist and said, why don't we call him

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:48.239
<v Speaker 4>and see what the publicist says. And the publicist said,

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Bert thought I was a bottom feeder of show business,

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 4>and I didn't show the movie star any respect. And

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:54.719
<v Speaker 4>here's the thing you'll ask yourself, how does the guy

0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 4>who was the number one box office star for five

0:52:56.520 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 4>years in a row die with no money? Not not

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.359
<v Speaker 4>the smartest bulb in the pack. And there's all sorts

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:04.880
<v Speaker 4>of other stories I can tell you that I won't,

0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 4>But nonetheless it was great for my career, and it

0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:13.360
<v Speaker 4>was part of the downward turn of his I believe.

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I did two episodes of Evening Shape before

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I did Boy Me, so you know they were the

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>worst experiences. Like I was so terrified of him, and

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>he was so awful.

0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:22.439
<v Speaker 2>He was so mean.

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I have multiple and it's like, you know, people have

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:27.880
<v Speaker 1>asked like, how was it working with Burt Reynolds. I'm like, awful,

0:53:27.960 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Like like he's like one of those few people.

0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 2>And then I had a friend.

0:53:31.400 --> 0:53:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Who did the Dukes of Hazzard reboot movie with him

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 1>years later and they became friendly and I was like, really,

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.279
<v Speaker 1>you're getting along with Bertie. He's like, well he was

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 1>grumpy back in those days, back in the evening. I

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't care, man, you treat you treat

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 1>like you know, I watched him treat a prop a

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.200
<v Speaker 1>prop master so horribly and like that's you know, you

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 1>don't treat your crew like that.

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:52.879
<v Speaker 2>He was drinking an episode two like he.

0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 4>Was those people making it look good every day. You know,

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 4>if anybody should be you should be nice to. It's

0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 4>all those lighting gaffer every folks who do it on

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 4>a daily basis. But yeah, that never goes away, and

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 4>that's fine. And every time I go in and I

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 4>say it wasn't set up and I went, oh, yeah,

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 4>why do they have pies? And I've given this explanation

0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 4>a million times and I'm sort of done with it.

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 4>But you know, because of the Internet and everybody thinks

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 4>they're an expert on everything. Don't waste your time, you

0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.279
<v Speaker 4>and get into an argument because these people, you know,

0:54:21.360 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 4>live in their mother's basements, and you know they're the

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 4>ones who call you on your phone when it says spam,

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 4>And those are the people I'm debating with. And I

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 4>realized I'm done with that.

0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good for you, man, looking back on your career,

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 3>which has been so long, and you've you've never worked

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 3>a job outside of the entertainment industry. If you could

0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:44.399
<v Speaker 3>go back to young, young Mark, just starting out and

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 3>tell him one thing about his future, what would you

0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 3>tell him?

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.560
<v Speaker 4>Never accept the word known no matter what they say,

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 4>and just keep believing in yourself because you're good. Now,

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:02.160
<v Speaker 4>here's the thing that's interesting. When I started the comedy

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:05.839
<v Speaker 4>store in the Magic Castle, I thought I was pretty good.

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 4>But the first night I went to the comedy store

0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.839
<v Speaker 4>and I saw Jay and Dave and Robin and those

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.799
<v Speaker 4>kinds of people, and I went, oh, my god, I

0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 4>have so much work to do. And here's a funny story.

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:22.960
<v Speaker 4>So I was engaged. And my wife didn't quite understand

0:55:23.000 --> 0:55:26.920
<v Speaker 4>the entertainment industry. She was a dental assistant, and I

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:28.879
<v Speaker 4>brought her to the Magic Castle to see my show

0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 4>and I thought I killed. I thought, man, I couldn't

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.279
<v Speaker 4>have done a better job. And I'm so glad that

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 4>she saw that show. And she came backstage afterwards and

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:39.359
<v Speaker 4>I said, so, what do you think And she said

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 4>to me, it got a lot of work to the

0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 4>years later.

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:52.480
<v Speaker 5>She was the ones that are honest, you stick with

0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 5>the ones that are honest.

0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:57.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she was undred percent right. You know, there's something

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 4>that we used to call in the comedy store days

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.600
<v Speaker 4>laugh ears. You tell a joke and the audience doesn't laugh,

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 4>but in your mind you say, wow, they love that

0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 4>joke when they really didn't. And so you have to

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 4>get to a reality point in your life where you go,

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, when Robin Williams walk on stage, and it

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:14.760
<v Speaker 4>would take them, you know, twenty five minutes to say hello,

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:16.719
<v Speaker 4>and by the time you walk sometimes I'd have to

0:56:16.719 --> 0:56:19.720
<v Speaker 4>follow Robin at the Comedy Store. Of course, after Robin

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 4>was on what could you do? In my opening line,

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:24.440
<v Speaker 4>they say you not welcome to comedy Mark Summers, and

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.480
<v Speaker 4>I'd say, oh, thank you, Lisien John walking ovation because

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 4>everybody was leaving the column.

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Store Finally, my last question for you. Have you ever

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:39.960
<v Speaker 3>wondered what life is a rabbi would have looked like?

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.880
<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't. I found out, you know, after

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 4>the fact that it would not have been good for me.

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm not good one on one even to this day

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 4>as far as you know, doing that kind of thing.

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 4>Maybe I would have been, you know, sort of bred

0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 4>into that lifestyle. But you know, when we were touring

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.720
<v Speaker 4>the Nickelodeon show and doing Double There at the Palace

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:05.120
<v Speaker 4>of Auburn Hills and selling out twenty thousand seedars on

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:08.759
<v Speaker 4>a regular basis for years, it's all different feel And

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:11.640
<v Speaker 4>I really like the fact of helping a lot of

0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 4>people a little as opposed to the other view. And

0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 4>you learn a lot from people as well. And I mean,

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 4>I can tell you endless stories. We used to do

0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.040
<v Speaker 4>weeks on Double There that had various themes, and we

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:25.640
<v Speaker 4>did a cancer week once and I was in the

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 4>makeup room and it kid came after me and said, Hey, Mark,

0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 4>you know how I got on Double There. I've got

0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:32.720
<v Speaker 4>cancer And I said, I kind of think there's easier

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 4>ways to get on this. But you know, we did

0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 4>a lot of you know, last wish kind of situations

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 4>as well, because the show had so much impact and

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 4>the fact that you, you know, would bring these kids

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 4>in and they'd you know, run the course, and the

0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 4>parents would be sitting in your dressing room watching the

0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:51.160
<v Speaker 4>kids have the best time in their life, and they'd

0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 4>have tears in their eyes. But for that moment, it

0:57:53.520 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 4>was the most important thing to those kids. So I

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.240
<v Speaker 4>was able to provide a lot of happiness as well.

0:57:57.280 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I've had a charmed existence and I

0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 4>am just thankful that I was in the situation I

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.800
<v Speaker 4>was and got to do everything I got to do well.

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Mark, Thank you so much for being here with us today.

0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.560
<v Speaker 3>You've been such a pleasure and a delight, and you

0:58:12.680 --> 0:58:15.919
<v Speaker 3>have so many interesting stories. I feel like we could

0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 3>keep you here for another hour and just listen to everything.

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 4>I know.

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I know for sure Will has a million questions.

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:23.240
<v Speaker 2>But I've been good.

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 6>I've been good. I've been good.

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.640
<v Speaker 4>I do these fairly often, and I don't get to

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.320
<v Speaker 4>work with pros like you guys that much. You are spectacular,

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.760
<v Speaker 4>and I appreciate the hard work you put in and

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.920
<v Speaker 4>the fantastic job you do in the interviews with Thank

0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 4>you for that.

0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Thank you Thank you so much. Mark, It was really

0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 3>wonderful to have you here. Really means a lot to

0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 3>all of us.

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:42.920
<v Speaker 4>You guys have a great day. Thanks so much, you

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:43.280
<v Speaker 4>too too.

0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Bye bye bye.

0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Man. That guy's life, what.

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 2>A career, legend. I love it. Legend. He was the

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>face of the entire network.

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean when we were on the on Nickelodeon, it

0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:00.480
<v Speaker 5>didn't matter what show you are, no matter what you

0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 5>were doing.

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>It was if he walked into the room, the network was.

0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 6>There, Mark was there.

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It would have been incredibly rude to ask. But if

0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:09.640
<v Speaker 1>they're only paying nine thousand dollars in an episode, he is.

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Not making a whole lot of kid is doing that

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 2>for the love.

0:59:12.560 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>And he is, and he's doing I mean even if

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.000
<v Speaker 1>he's getting I mean he was making method Yeah, and

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:18.760
<v Speaker 1>yet he like he said he would have done it

0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>for free.

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 5>Well, I can tell you when I started on Don't

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:22.800
<v Speaker 5>Just Sit There, I was making eleven hundred dollars a

0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 5>week and we would do something like twenty episodes.

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.200
<v Speaker 6>I mean it was like we were doing a ton

0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:28.600
<v Speaker 6>of you.

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<v Speaker 3>Were just making it per week, not per episode, No.

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<v Speaker 6>Not per episode. It was eleven hundred dollars a week.

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<v Speaker 1>In New York since six episodes a day, he was

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<v Speaker 1>probably making about that and.

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<v Speaker 2>For you as a kid, you're like, this is d

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<v Speaker 2>was the greatest thing in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>It was, And we shot during the summers because obviously

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't want to put us in school, so it

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<v Speaker 5>was you know, they would throw in as much as

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<v Speaker 5>they possibly could. But that's so, you know, that was

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<v Speaker 5>I think I started on Nickelodeon in eighty seven eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 5>and that was big money back then to make that

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<v Speaker 5>kind of cash, especially as.

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<v Speaker 6>A twelve year old.

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<v Speaker 5>But it didn't matter what we were doing where we were.

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<v Speaker 5>There were two things you wanted when you were working

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<v Speaker 5>at Nickelodeon. The first was, when you got to a

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<v Speaker 5>certain level, they gave you a Nickelodeon watch. It was

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<v Speaker 5>awesome that it was I'm sure I'm somewhere, yes, of course.

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<v Speaker 6>And the other thing was to meet Mark Summers, that's

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<v Speaker 6>just all.

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<v Speaker 2>And to get slimed.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are the three things that were like, if you

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<v Speaker 5>could do that, you you you made it. And now

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<v Speaker 5>to this day still regret that I missed being able

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<v Speaker 5>to run the Obstacle course by like a week.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, such a such an incredible thing that

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<v Speaker 3>like things work out the way they do sometimes in

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<v Speaker 3>the sense that someone like Mark Summers, obviously an incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>kind and nice person, is the person who ends up

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<v Speaker 3>working with kids. Imagine if Burt Reynolds had gotten the.

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<v Speaker 5>Job run the double there, Come on, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>Who's gonna double there?

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<v Speaker 2>It's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's you know, the problem with someone like Burt

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<v Speaker 1>Renalds is he's so disappointed in his own career.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like ego is so fragile that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not you know, he's always comparing himself to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess probably Marlon Brando, like he's.

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<v Speaker 5>Just like again he was Mark is right, he was

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<v Speaker 5>the number one draw for cinema for like what four

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<v Speaker 5>years or five years now, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he maybe felt like he let himself down by

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>But you look at somebody like Mark who just I

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted He just wanted to be a talk show

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<v Speaker 1>or a game show host and got there, and like

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<v Speaker 1>every step of the way getting there was not beating

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<v Speaker 1>himself up or disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>Just how much harder do I have to work? What's next?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, eventually get in a Broadway show.

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<v Speaker 1>But how many years did that take. It's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have such.

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<v Speaker 2>A good attitude about these things because otherwise you give up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, even just hearing him say before he got doubled

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<v Speaker 3>there from the time he moved to La to getting

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<v Speaker 3>double there was thirteen years years, thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh the stories that guy must have about being the

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<v Speaker 5>page and.

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<v Speaker 2>All the different shows.

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<v Speaker 5>No, oh, man, that's like, please write a book, Please

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<v Speaker 5>write a book.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to go check out the One Man Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true too. You wonder how much he holds

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<v Speaker 2>back there?

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<v Speaker 5>You wonder, like I will tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all right, we're taking Mark summers lunch. Let's go.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he lives near us, Danielle, because I saw him

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<v Speaker 5>at the local grocery store like a year ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So he said, he said, you have my number, so

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<v Speaker 3>will well, we'll make sure you have his number and

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<v Speaker 3>if you could arrange a lunch, we'll do it. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I know we live somewhat close to him

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<v Speaker 3>because we went to high school with I went to

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<v Speaker 3>high school with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, anyway, that was such a fun interview. Thank you

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