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Speaker 5: Because you're right? There was a three three ninjas? One

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Speaker 1: But I actually Sean when he got cast, they signed

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Speaker 5: No, that was my So horror movies for you as

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Speaker 3: Endeavors involving a little less chaos. This week on Podmeat's World,

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Speaker 3: we are honored to sit down with an icon of

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Speaker 3: Please welcome Mark Summers, who.

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Speaker 2: Hy it's hard to see you, Mark to be seen.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for spending some time with us today.

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Speaker 4: My pleasure looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: So Will Fredell here was on Nickelodeon with you at

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Speaker 3: the same time, and Will spent so much time trying

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Speaker 3: because he knows he did.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I know, I did. I mean we did.

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Speaker 5: Nick takes over your school and all that kind of

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Speaker 5: stuff together. So I was on, don't just sit there back.

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Speaker 4: In the day you did. Don't just sit there.

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Speaker 5: I did, don't just sit there? So I was one

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Speaker 4: And produced a week of that when the regular guy

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Speaker 2: It was amazing that, yeah you that was at the

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Speaker 5: Second season, we were at fifty fifth, were at Unitel

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Speaker 4: Which was much nicer by yes, yes, there were there

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Speaker 4: were fewer hookers there nice, but oh my god. I

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Speaker 4: always love that show. But for some reason it didn't

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Speaker 2: I think so too. Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 5: I think we did two or three seasons, but it

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Speaker 4: It was do you say, Josh with the other people

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Speaker 5: We Actually, we had our was like forty or thirty

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Speaker 6: Yeah was we had a great time.

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Speaker 4: That was so much fun. And yeah, you know, book

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Speaker 5: We had new kids on the block when they were

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Speaker 2: So we had it was a for anybody who doesn't

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Speaker 2: We were like a kids Saturday Night Live.

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Speaker 5: We had special guests and a band and and did

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Speaker 4: So one time I was on with Harvey and our

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Speaker 4: a theme song, don't just Sit There, And it was

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Speaker 4: me dressed as Elvis just saying for two and a

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Speaker 6: Nickelodeon in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: It was the best. But that's such a.

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Speaker 1: Great like, you know, the idea of doing like a

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Speaker 1: I know that now, like we need this, you know,

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Speaker 5: The day, and they they did things that they don't

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Speaker 5: So every every week we'd pick a new audience member

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Speaker 5: And it was always somebody different every week, and then

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Speaker 6: It was really really cool.

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Speaker 4: The impact that Nickelodeon had back in the day was

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Speaker 4: pretty amazing. Doesn't sadly have that same sort of impact anymore,

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Speaker 4: you know, because kids watch their phones and their iPads,

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Speaker 4: and if you say to them, you know, what's Nickelodeon,

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Speaker 4: they don't even know. It's a whole different world.

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Speaker 5: They'll know the shows they'll know individual shows like oh,

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Speaker 5: I know Phineas and ferb for Disney something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's really not. If it wasn't for SpongeBob, I'm not

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Speaker 4: sure they'd still be around, you know exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, Mark, while researching your life, we learned that you

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Speaker 3: faced a very common and relatable fork in the road

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Speaker 4: Requisite as you've got to be Jewish, so I guess

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Speaker 4: be fine. And I chose entertainment.

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Speaker 2: It's great analogy. Yeah, well put yeah, yeah wow.

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Speaker 3: And so then you ended up making the move from

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Speaker 4: Actually went to Boston for two years. I went to

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: How was I have to ask because he can be

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Speaker 6: What was just hanging out with Andy Kaufman?

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Speaker 4: Like? Okay, I will say this and sorry for anybody

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Speaker 4: who cares. I never found Andy funny a day in

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Speaker 4: Andy go, hey, Mark, how you doing fine? Well are

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Speaker 4: you doing? Oh? Let's go at dinner. So I'd go

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Speaker 4: So he was always playing mind games and I had

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Speaker 4: I became a page at CBS Television City and I

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Speaker 4: It was thirteen years, so I really put in my time.

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Speaker 4: CBS Television City to the guy who recommended me. I said,

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Speaker 4: I can't thank you enough. I was hired on the

443
00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 4: spot and I have a job. Thank you so much.

444
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,119
Speaker 4: And he said, will tell me about it, and I

445
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 4: explained it to him and he said, well, congratulations. Two

446
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 4: hours later, I went home, my phone rang and it

447
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 4: was the company that hired me, and said, I don't

448
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 4: know what you did, but you went back and sold

449
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 4: this job so well to the guy who sent you,

450
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 4: that he had more experience, and we're going to hire

451
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 4: him instead of you. My first screw you in show business.

452
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 4: So I drove back to CBS Television City, barged into

453
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,959
Speaker 4: the guy's office and I said, you a hole. I

454
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 4: can't believe after you know me thanking you, you did that.

455
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 4: And so he said, well, I feel so bad, I'll

456
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 4: get your job as a page. And so that's how

457
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 4: I began. Yeah, yeah, gosh.

458
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Speaker 3: Well you explain for our listeners what a page is.

459
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know that everybody knows what

460
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Speaker 3: a page does. So what was your job?

461
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Speaker 4: My job was to seat the audiences and to make

462
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 4: sure that everybody, you know, ended up where they were

463
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 4: supposed to end up. To run errands for the people

464
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 4: on the production companies, and answer phones for the producers

465
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 4: and the directors and stuff like that. So it was

466
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,959
Speaker 4: a lot of counting tickets, telling people where the bathroom was,

467
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 4: and making sure that they were laughing when they should

468
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 4: be laughing and being quiet when the other time was

469
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 4: happening for them. And so you were a jack of

470
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 4: all trades and a master of none, and the whole

471
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 4: point was to sort of weasele your way in to

472
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 4: meet the people who were putting on these shows to

473
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 4: get the job that you wanted to be a producer

474
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: or writer for me talent.

475
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, So, as our resident television fan, I'm just

476
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 5: the shows you mentioned that you were working on are

477
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 5: some of the most legendary television shows in the history

478
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 5: of Hollywood.

479
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Speaker 6: What was your favorite one to work on?

480
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Speaker 4: Well, Soap, I think because it was controversial at the time.

481
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 4: You know, Billy Crystal was playing the first gay character

482
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 4: on television. Imagine that, how silly that old thing is.

483
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 4: But sometimes you'd be out there for hours at a time,

484
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 4: and after you've told every joke and asked everybody where

485
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 4: they were from, you didn't have much you could say.

486
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 4: But on that show, I had Billy Crystal, Jay Johnson

487
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: who did the ventriloquism thing with Chuck and Bob, and

488
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 4: a terrific comedian called John Binder, And so if I

489
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 4: would go on the toilet, I could say, hey, John,

490
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 4: why don't you get them? Do you know what's on

491
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: the Sullivan Show? And they could feel, you know, my fear,

492
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 4: and they would get up and help me and so

493
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 4: it was a fun show, entertaining as hell, and all

494
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 4: those people to help me. Here's the thing, So many

495
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 4: of us started off doing warm ups, and the stage

496
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 4: next to me was a show called Barney Miller, and

497
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 4: the warm up on that was David Letterman. To the

498
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 4: right of me was a show called Bus and Buddies,

499
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 4: and Bob Saget was the entertainer and the warm up

500
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 4: guy in that. So it's how we all sort of

501
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 4: cut our teeth and got in because you would be

502
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: in front of people who could hire you either as

503
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Speaker 4: a talent or something else. And that's what we were

504
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 4: all doing back in the day.

505
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: Wow, unbelievable, so cool.

506
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 5: So just in a regular day you would run into

507
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 5: you know, Tom Hanks and Peter Scalari and oh man,

508
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 5: I couldn't.

509
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Speaker 1: And at this point is your goal to be a comedian,

510
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: a stand up comedian, or is it to eventually write

511
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: produce or is it acting.

512
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 4: I never wanted to write and produce ever ever, Ever,

513
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 4: I fell into that, but I wanted to host television

514
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: shows and I came out and I wanted to be

515
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 4: a game show host, which back when I moved out

516
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 4: here in seventy three, seventy four. That was a profession

517
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 4: you could actually pursue and have happened. Now unless you're

518
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 4: you know, you know, a star of celebrity. Yeah, celebrity.

519
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 4: You can't even apply for those jobs. And so I

520
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 4: did warm ups on game shows and then I did

521
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: some announcing on some game and game shows. That did

522
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: a show called Bruce Forthside's Hotstreak, which was on ABC.

523
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: I did some pilots for people, and so you keep

524
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 4: taking baby steps until you kind of get where you

525
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 4: want to go, and Doubledare was a mistake as well.

526
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Speaker 4: I was never called to audition for that show. A

527
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Speaker 4: friend of mine, Dave Garrison, who was a vent triloquist

528
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 4: that I knew in Indianapolis, got the call and he

529
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 4: was tired of sort of beating the bushers and not

530
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 4: getting forward. So he said to me, there's some network

531
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: called me. I've never heard of them, called Nickelodeon. They

532
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: want me to audition for some game show. I don't

533
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 4: want to go. Why don't you go instead of me?

534
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: So I went over there and they said Dave Garrison,

535
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Speaker 4: I said, he's not here. My name is Mark Summers

536
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 4: audition instead of m They said sure, which by the way.

537
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: I don't think you can even do that today. No,

538
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 4: And I did the first audition and got three callbacks.

539
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: And the one thing I always learned that auditions was

540
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: get the name of the exec producer and a phone

541
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: number because there was no email back then. And so

542
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: I got the head of casting, who brought me in

543
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: eventually and the exec producer, and I knew the show

544
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: was going to start shooting on September, and right around

545
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: Labor Day, I called Mike Klinghoffer, who was the exec producer,

546
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: and said, have you guys made a decision or not?

547
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: And they said, well, it's down between you and another guy,

548
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 4: and we can't see him to decide. I said, well,

549
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 4: what's the deciding factor and they said, well, we've never

550
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 4: actually seen you with kids, because when I did the audition,

551
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 4: they had grown up playing the part of kids. And

552
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: I said, well, I have kids, and they said, well

553
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean anything. And I said, well I used

554
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: to do magic shows for kids, and they said, well

555
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean anything. So I suggested, why don't you

556
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: fly me and whoever this other guy is into LA,

557
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: let us do this show in the New York brother

558
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 4: and do a show with kids playing the game and

559
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: let the best man win, and they said, we'll call

560
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: you back. They called me back. I auditioned, and the

561
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: way I got the job was at the end of it,

562
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 4: they called me and they said, congratulations, you're the host

563
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: of Double Dare. And I said, well, what separated me

564
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 4: from the other guy? And they said, you were both

565
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: both about the same. But at the end of his audition,

566
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 4: he looked in the camera and said, is that it

567
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 4: or do you guys want me to do something else?

568
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 4: And I looked in the camera and I said, we'll

569
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 4: be back with more Double Dare right after this. And

570
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: because they threw it a commercial, they thought that was

571
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 4: more of a professional professional and that changed my life. Wow.

572
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 5: Mike Klinghoffer hearing these names out loud again that I

573
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 5: haven't heard since I was on your show, He was,

574
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 5: it was really amazing to hear all these names.

575
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you remember Roseanne le Popolo?

576
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 6: Was she also there at the time.

577
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 4: She was there and sadly passed away about a year ago.

578
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: I went to her and they had something for her out.

579
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 4: Here and very smart and entertaining to be around, that's

580
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: for sure.

581
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, Oh yes, man, I.

582
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: Knew her very well. Oh just Collingwood was your director?

583
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Dan, I have heard that name since

584
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 5: I was twelve years I'm.

585
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: Still in touch with all these guys. We're all still friends.

586
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 5: Oh mavery Darby, Jef Darby, these Oh I can't even

587
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 5: I can't even who now.

588
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 6: Who was president of Nickelodeon at the time.

589
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: Was it Jerry?

590
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 6: It was Jerry at the time.

591
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 5: So one of the stories that I have about Jerry Laborne,

592
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 5: and she was an incredible I mean, she was president

593
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: of the network and I think one of the first

594
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: female presidents of any network at the time.

595
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: And I was doing USA Network and Jerry was second.

596
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: And Jerry was sat. Yeah. So she's there and I'd

597
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: never met her.

598
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 5: And we're down in Florida and we're opening the studio

599
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 5: and somebody comes up to me and says my co host,

600
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 5: a girl at the time comes up and says, do

601
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 5: you know where the bathroom is? And I said, I

602
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 5: don't know. And I see this woman walk up. I'm like,

603
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: can you, hey, lady, can you walk her to the bathroom?

604
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

605
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: It was.

606
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: This is the first time I met Jerry Laborne. Network.

607
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 4: A train trip down from New York to Florida.

608
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 5: To No I missed the train trip. They flew us

609
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 5: down to do that for the opening. So this is

610
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: such a shows the synergy of the of the network.

611
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 5: When they moved Matt, Ally, Wendy and I down to

612
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 5: Florida to do the three hour opening of Nickelodeon Studios,

613
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 5: we all needed a legal guardian, and Robin was our

614
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 5: legal guardian.

615
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: No, yes, assistant. Robin was our legal guardian down there.

616
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 6: We all had our own apartments.

617
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 5: It's like I was twelve or thirteen, Wow, and they

618
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 5: shut down Universal Studios and my job at thirteen was

619
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 5: to go on the rides over and over and over

620
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 5: again while they filmed us in a closed park.

621
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: My three friends, my three best friends and I.

622
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 5: At the time had an amusement park to ourselves six

623
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 5: weeks and Robin was our guide.

624
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: Was our guardian.

625
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: Because many of us took a train from New York

626
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: down to Nickelodeon and Orlando, and we would stop in

627
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: various cities and yeah, you know, like Canada's be on

628
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 4: the back of a train telling people about this fantastic

629
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 4: thing that's opening in Orlando for Nickelodeon. It was such

630
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: a cool thing.

631
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: It was so cool.

632
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 5: Everything we would do, Nick takes over your school. I

633
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 5: mean that whole just being and all that stuff was

634
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: the coolest thing ever.

635
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah, So I want to go back to

636
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: the friend whose audition you took when the show ended

637
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: up becoming massively successful. Was your friend a little bitter?

638
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: No. He became a very successful producer in Los Angeles

639
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 4: and liked being behind the camera. He you know, I

640
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 4: used to host audition I at the Improv and you know,

641
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 4: you would go every Monday night and hope that somebody

642
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: would see you in ninety nine times out one hundred,

643
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 4: they didn't. And he got tired of doing that. And

644
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: that's the difference between, you know, folks who make it

645
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: and folks who are going He made it in the

646
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: different side of the industry, but most I had a

647
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: guy called me once from college and say, I'm going

648
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: to go to LA for six weeks and try it out.

649
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 4: And I said, don't even bother six weeks. You can't

650
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: do anything. So you got to put in. You know,

651
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: very rarely somebody will come into town and just instantaneously.

652
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: Dave Letterman made it about twelve seconds when he came here.

653
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 4: But there was something special about him. Robin Williams also

654
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: another guy who came into town and instantaneously hit it.

655
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: But that's like finding a needle in a haystack generally,

656
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: you know.

657
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what was your approach for this job? It's

658
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: obviously not an easy task to keep it on the rails.

659
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: Did you have a plan for how you were going

660
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: to do that?

661
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 4: I was just going to be myself. Here was the deal.

662
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: I never wanted to host a kid's game show. I

663
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: wanted to do a grown up show, and so I

664
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: treated the kids like grownups. I never said, hey, Boby,

665
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: do you have a girlfriend? I like, I was never

666
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: trying to sending and I would screw around with the

667
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: kids and they got that right away, and they would

668
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: screw around back with me. And when they did focus groups,

669
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: they said I was kind of like a crazy uncle

670
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: or a big brother, as opposed to some you know,

671
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: hoity toity big guy, you know, trying to be authoritative.

672
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: And there was a fine line, but I think I

673
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: found it, and that's what was magical. We shot five

674
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: and twenty five episodes of that show.

675
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, how many episodes would you shoot in

676
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: a day?

677
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: I got up to six a day, six day.

678
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: So you're hired as the host and producer of Doubledare

679
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: what is established for this show when you get there

680
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: on day one? How fleshed out was it versus? How

681
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: much did you have to create?

682
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 4: Not very because most of the people who were there

683
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: from the Nickelodeon side had never done a game show

684
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: in their life. I was the only one who had

685
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 4: any game show experience. And so the first episode that

686
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 4: took eight hours. Okay, it was just one mistake after another.

687
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: They forgot to put the flags in the places to

688
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: get the flags for the optical course, and it was

689
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: a nightmare. And I just remember Jerry Layborne grabbing her

690
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: head in the director's move and going, what the hell

691
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: have we done here? You know, there was something back

692
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 4: then called playground talk, and at the time UHF stations

693
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: were popular and facts of life in different strokes with

694
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: the number one and two shows, and all of a sudden,

695
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 4: kids would go home and watch our show and then

696
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: go on the playground the next day and said, I

697
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: saw this show where if you jump into five thousand

698
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: pounds of baked beans, they send you to dizzy And

699
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: they went, what the hell is that, and all of

700
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: a sudden the ratings dropped off of new facts and

701
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: different strokes, and they found us and our ratings were

702
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: off the charts. I mean, now, if you get a

703
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: point two or point three in the rate on television,

704
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: that's big. We were getting fives and six's. You know,

705
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: we get gigantic numbers and they contribute the sale of

706
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: a cable to families to three people. One Larry King

707
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: on CNN could nobody had seen what he had done?

708
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: A Gallagher who was doing comedy specials on Showtime and

709
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: me and Nickelodeon and putting Nicoletin do on the map

710
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: because Doubledare was this thing that nobody had ever seen.

711
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: It was the first kid's game show and you know,

712
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 4: right place, right time.

713
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: Wow, So are you just sitting around on the brainstorming

714
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: ridiculously gross ideas for physically challenges as a job.

715
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: That's very funny that you bring that up, because we

716
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: would do stunt testing. We would shoot six shows a

717
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: day and wouldn't even go to dinner. We would bring

718
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: in kids from the Philadelphia area where we first started

719
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: in New Jersey, and we would test physical challenges and

720
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: come up with the craziest things in the world, and

721
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 4: unless they worked three times, they never got on the show.

722
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: And the famous one was we had a mailbox, typical mailbox,

723
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 4: old school mailbox, and they made paper planes, and the

724
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: physical challenge was, you have thirty seconds to get one

725
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: paper plane in the mailbox. And I said, this is

726
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: the dumbest thing I've ever seen. It will never happen.

727
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: And they said, just because you said that, we're going

728
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: to do it tomorrow on the show. So we come

729
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 4: to that physical challenge and I looked in the camera

730
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: and I said, okay, look, I don't agree with this

731
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: physical challenge. I think it's so stupid. They want me

732
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: to get this kid over here to send that paper

733
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 4: airplane into the mailbox. And I looked at the kid

734
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: and I said, and if you can do that, I'll

735
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: give you my house. Okay, so I'm your mark. Get

736
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: set go. The first time he threw a plane, it

737
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: went right, so you sh'd never know. And I know

738
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: I didn't give my house.

739
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I have to know. When does the

740
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 3: huge nose filled with boogers and one flag come into play.

741
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: That was about our second season, because at one point,

742
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,479
Speaker 4: you know, you try to top yourself, because there were

743
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: so many people watching, and they went, well, now what

744
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: can we do? And you know, certainly, as a kid,

745
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 4: you would get your hands lapped for sticking your hand

746
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: up your nose and picking up bogogers. So we thought, well,

747
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: let's reward the kids and do that. And you know,

748
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: we had the tank. Initially it was filled with styrofoam,

749
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: and then it was filled with water, and Mike Klinghoffer,

750
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: I believe, was the one who said, well, why don't

751
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: we fill it with baked beans? And trying to find

752
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: enough baked beans to fill that tank is insane. The

753
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: harder part was, you know, after a while, baked beans

754
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: in a studio with hot light starts to smell like

755
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: the most prancid cafeteria you've ever been in your entire life.

756
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: And we tried to get them out by shoveling them

757
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: into these big plastic bags, but the bags kept breaking.

758
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: So you know, the guys should come in and clean

759
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: out your sewers. We called in a guy who cleans

760
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: out sewers and septic tanks. He came in and hip

761
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: waiters and took one of those big sort of vacuum

762
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: things and suck the beans up. So I have stories

763
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: that go on forever with this.

764
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: Oh I never once thought of the smell. And I

765
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: also never thought i'd hear suck the beans out. And

766
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: now I'm just really.

767
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: Together ready, one, two, three out? Yeah. I used to

768
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: pay me to do that, so that was fantastic.

769
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 5: That's the thing I always remember about being on shows

770
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: like this, especially back in the eighties, was they would

771
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 5: be you would do these things that on paper it's like,

772
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 5: oh my god, I get to have a giant food

773
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 5: fight today.

774
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: I get it.

775
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 5: And then by the third hour, when you're covered in

776
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 5: the stuff, it's slippery, you've already fallen twice, everything stinks.

777
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 5: You're kind of going, oh, this looks a lot better

778
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 5: on TV than actually exactly editing, yeah exactly.

779
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 3: Was there ever a challenge that you absolutely hated every

780
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: time it was wheeled out?

781
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 4: No, but there were certain things they would try. They

782
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: wanted to do a physical challenge with dog food, and

783
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: if you open up a can of dog food, I

784
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: started puking, and they said, well, let's try it, and

785
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: they brought out the thing and opened up the dog

786
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 4: and I stopped tape and ran outside and I said,

787
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: get that stuff off the stage. I'm going to throw

788
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: up here in a second. So that was not fun.

789
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: But no, it was all fun. Look, ye are you

790
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: kidding me? I was thirty four years old, wanting to

791
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 4: do this my entire life and they were paying me

792
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: to tell kids to go grab flags out of large noses.

793
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 4: You know how bad could that have been? It was amazing?

794
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 5: So wait, you said that, said you were bringing in

795
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 5: kids locally from the Philadelphia and New Jersey area.

796
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Where were you shooting when you first.

797
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 4: Started WHYY, which was the PBS station in Philadelphia, because

798
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: Nickelodeon had no money and they didn't want to spend

799
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 4: any money in New York. And believe it or not,

800
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty six, we were spending nine thousand dollars

801
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: an episode You Couldn't Do Anything Today for nine thousand

802
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 4: dollars house, and then we kicked it up to twelve thousand,

803
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: and then it got to twenty five thousand, and then

804
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, Funhouse came on and they were

805
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 4: going to, you know, try and beat us, and so

806
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 4: Warner Brothers was pouring a bunch of dough into Funhouse.

807
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 4: So Nickelodeon decided, well, we better pour some money in

808
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: as well, and when the budgets became fifty thousand dollars

809
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 4: an episode, which still is nothing compared to today's budgets,

810
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Darby called me and thought, we were out of

811
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: our mind. Why are we spending so much money on

812
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 4: these episodes? But you know, if you wanted to compete

813
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: and say it, because there were like seventeen lookalike shows

814
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: and we wanted to stay number one, and we did so.

815
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 5: When you started, were they was Nickelodeon already established at

816
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 5: the Viacom building in New York.

817
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: They weren't even there yet.

818
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 4: No, they ran a different Vicon building that is there now.

819
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: They were down the street closer to Central Park, then

820
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: finally moved down. But you know, the thing I remember

821
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: about Nickelodeon was the only reason I even knew what

822
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 4: the hell they were was I had babies at the time,

823
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: and they had a horrible puppet show that ran, you know,

824
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: eighteen hours a day called Pinwheel Publish Worst Everything, And

825
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 4: I would be up at three in the morning to

826
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 4: feed my kids and I would be watching Pinwheel. That's

827
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 4: all I knew about Nickeoloeon. They did a talk show

828
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: for a while that was sort of Donahue esque for

829
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 4: kids didn't work at all. It wasn't until we came

830
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: on the air.

831
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 6: Although don't you can't do that on television a kid?

832
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the show that I think really started

833
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: the whole thing and all probably we get credit, but

834
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: they got did they were? They were great?

835
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 6: Was Doubledare before you? Because I know you can't do

836
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 6: that on television.

837
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: It was a Canadian show that was on YTV that

838
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 5: then Nickelodeon brought to the States where you was doubled

839
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 5: air first Double Their was first? Right, No, oh, you

840
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: can't do that on television?

841
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: Was first?

842
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: Was first?

843
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 2: Okay?

844
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's where Nickelodeon really got the idea of

845
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 5: that's where slime came in.

846
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 4: And they used to start kids the money on that

847
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 4: show if they would let them slime them.

848
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 3: I cannot stand slime. I don't even allow my children

849
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: to have it. Did you literally just come home with

850
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: the feeling of slime every day?

851
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 4: Well, it depends and show business that's a regular thing.

852
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: But we had showers. There needs to say, and so

853
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: I would. After the first sixty five episodes, I learned,

854
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: first of all, I never wore tennis shoes. I wore

855
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 4: penny loafers, and I didn't want that mess on me

856
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: at all because I had obsessive compulsive disorder. Of course,

857
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: nobody knew what I didn't even know what it was

858
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 4: at the time. And they went to focus groups and

859
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: the kids said, they love the show, but they want

860
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: to get you messy. And I said why and they said, well,

861
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: they just think it would be fun. So starting season

862
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: two on, the kids would say, well, if we win

863
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 4: the optical course, can we throw a pie in your face?

864
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 4: Or can we slime you? Or can we throw you

865
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: into you know this or that.

866
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: And that dog food?

867
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, yeah, and so yes. I would take a

868
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: shower after every show and put on, you know, a

869
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 4: new pair of jeans and a new tie and a

870
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: new sports jacket, and go ahead and do it again.

871
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 5: Man, Well it might have been it might not have

872
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: meant too much to you at thirty four, but I

873
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 5: can tell you at twelve, because I went up with

874
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 5: the with the don't you sit there? Sent me with

875
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 5: the producer and I went up to you can't do

876
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 5: that on television and went to the set and got

877
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: to come out of the lockers and did everything and

878
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 5: it culminated with me getting slimed on the set.

879
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 6: And it's still one of the coolest things I've ever

880
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: done in mine.

881
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it was great. It's not what you expect.

882
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 5: It was a guy standing behind you with a ladder

883
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 5: and a cigar hanging out, just dumping a bucket on

884
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 5: your head. It was wasn't magically from the ceilings, but

885
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 5: it was still like one of the coolest things I

886
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 5: got to do in my career.

887
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: I was spoken a cigar. That was a key point

888
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 4: of that old.

889
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: S Yeah exactly, but.

890
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: Half the time that was exactly.

891
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 5: It was magical though as a kid it was being

892
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 5: a Nickelodeon was absolutely magical.

893
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: How old do you know?

894
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 6: I'm I just turned forty nine.

895
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: Oh are you really?

896
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

897
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 4: Good for you?

898
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh thank you? So yeah. So it was.

899
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 5: I got cast when I was twelve, and I was

900
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 5: on Nickelodeon from twelve to fifteen and did a bunch

901
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 5: of shows for them, and then at sixteen I got

902
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: boy me throw to move out to LA But yeah,

903
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 5: I was there opening this the You and I. That's

904
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 5: the thing I was trying to find is I think

905
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 5: you and I both were there and we co hosted

906
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 5: the opening of the Slime Geyser.

907
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 4: Yes, yes we did.

908
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: So that was one.

909
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 5: I think by that point I was fourteen and I

910
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, I get to work with

911
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 5: Mark and it was just the.

912
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: Cool because well, you were the face.

913
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 5: I mean, you were truly the face of the network,

914
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 5: and I was when you thought of Nickelodeon, you thought

915
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 5: of you and Double Dare. That was what put Nickelodeon

916
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 5: on the map. Was was that? And I remember distinctly

917
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: being upset because when they I was recast.

918
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: On Don't You Sit There?

919
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 5: So I took over for one of the hosts set

920
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 5: left and when they brought me on, I missed. I

921
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: guess the entire cast of Don't You Sit There? Went

922
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 5: on Doubledare and got to run the obstacle course like

923
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 5: two days before they brought me home man. And so

924
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: I was it is because again I watched Nickelodeon, and

925
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: that meant watching Doubledare, That's what you watched, and it

926
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 5: was I had friends. We would sit on the playground

927
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: talking about, well, what do we have to do to

928
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: get on the show?

929
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: Do you send in?

930
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 5: At the time, it was I think somebody said you

931
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 5: could VHS tape you could send in yourself, or you

932
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 5: had to make a phone call. But we actively tried

933
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 5: to find out how to get on the show as kids.

934
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: We had to tour the country and do auditions, you know,

935
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 4: all over the country as well.

936
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 6: So that, I mean, that's a good question.

937
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: How did if you were a kid, what was the

938
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 5: best way to get on Double Dare? How did I mean,

939
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 5: what was the audition process?

940
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 4: Like in Philadelphia? We picked from Philly, New Jersey area,

941
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: and then got into New York and we moved on

942
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: to Orlando. This was the best part. We would hold

943
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: up signs and say who wants to audition for Double Dare?

944
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: And in a day we had a bazillion people there

945
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: and we would turn the audiences over. It sat about

946
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 4: five in Philly, we only shot abou sat about ninety people,

947
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 4: but in Orlando we had about five hundred, and we

948
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: would turn the audiences over. You saw Round one, got

949
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 4: redmend brought in a new group, see round two, get

950
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 4: rid of them, bring people in. Watched you know, a

951
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 4: couple obstacle courses. Because there were so many people who

952
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: came to Orlando and came to Universal Studios just to

953
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: see our show. And we tried to get as many

954
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: people in as possible, and that's where we'd be in

955
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 4: Audis because we were doing family double there at the time. Yeah,

956
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: we were psheing moms and dads and kids and we

957
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: did already doubled air with Weird Al and Luf Farigno

958
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: and you name it, we did them. You know, they

959
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 4: all wanted to be on the show.

960
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well it's just so much.

961
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: It's a massive hit pretty quickly. Does your entire life change?

962
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: Do kids recognize you everywhere you go?

963
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that was pretty instantaneous. That was so

964
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: bizarre to me to be, you know, having dinner at

965
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: a you know, McDonald's with my family and you know,

966
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 4: fourteen people come up to you. Now cell phones didn't exist. Yeah,

967
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: you know, they couldn't take pictures, so to speak, but

968
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 4: they all wanted autographs and they wanted to talk to you.

969
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: And yeah, it changed a lot. And you know, nobody

970
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 4: can prepare you for that, because you just don't have

971
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: any idea what it's like when you're you know, trying

972
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: to go to the bathroom between an intermission on a

973
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 4: Broadway show and so many points to you as you're

974
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: going to the bathroom, they go, aren't you. Yeah, it

975
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 4: just happens in weird spots.

976
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: Yep, did your kids think it was cool? I actually

977
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: went to high school with your son. Oh did you

978
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: really yes, Calabasas High.

979
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yes, they thought it was cool because

980
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: I got to do all sorts of things. I you know,

981
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: I hosted Easter at the White House, so they got

982
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: to go there and hang out at the White House.

983
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 4: You know, I was always going to you know, throwing

984
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: out first pitches at Major League Baseball games, and so

985
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: they got to participate in all that stuff and got

986
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 4: to tour with me when I was out on the road,

987
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: you know, doing Doubledare Live and stuff. So yeah, it's

988
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: they had a lot of fun doing that stuff.

989
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: So I want to talk to you about your one

990
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: man show, The Life and Slimes of Mark Summers. How

991
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: did this come about?

992
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty four, I went to New York for

993
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: the first time and saw Fiddler on the Road with

994
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: Herschel Bernardi, and I thought, oh my god, I've never

995
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 4: seen anything like this growing up in Indiana. My parents

996
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: never took me to Broadway shows, touring shows, and I said,

997
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: this is what I want to do so when I

998
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: saw that at age thirteen, I tried to figure it

999
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: out well. I took a bunch of other paths, obviously,

1000
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: from magic to stand up comedy to hosting and whatever,

1001
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: but it was always in the back of my head.

1002
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: And first I was diagnosed with cancer and got through that.

1003
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 4: And then I was in a car accident where I

1004
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: broke every bone in my face. And I met with

1005
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 4: a guy who was starring in Hairspray Bruce Flanche at

1006
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: the time, and I had lunch with him one afternoon

1007
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 4: and I said, you know, someday I want to do this,

1008
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: and he said, summer. Stopped talking about it and do

1009
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: it already. And so I met a producer who had

1010
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: a summer theater in Long Beach Island, New Jersey, and

1011
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 4: I said, hey, I'd love to be on Broadway. But

1012
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 4: I know you're not going to give me that job

1013
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: right away. But if there's any job I can get

1014
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 4: to sort of work my way in, and he said,

1015
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: give me your number. I don't know. I just bought

1016
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 4: the summerstock theater and let me see. And he called

1017
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: me about a month later and I said, we're doing Greece.

1018
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 4: Would you like to play Vince Fontagne. I said, do

1019
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 4: I have to audition? He said no, it's yours and

1020
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: I took it. And so that was about twelve thirteen

1021
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: summers ago, and I played Vince Fontaine and Greece. While

1022
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: I was there, I met a guy by the name

1023
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: of Drew Gasperini who introduced me to a guy by

1024
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: the name of Alex Brightman, and they become fast friends.

1025
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 4: Brightman has since started in School of Rock and Beetlejuice

1026
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: and numerous other things, and drew as a writer of

1027
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 4: several Broadway shows and musicals. And I said one day

1028
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: I want to do a one man show, and they

1029
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: wrote it for me. We started it in Bloomington, Indiana.

1030
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: Then we went and did the at around at Theater Festival.

1031
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: We did a place in Pennsylvania, and we did Buffalo,

1032
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 4: New York. And while we were playing Buffalo a couple

1033
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: summers ago, the Missus Doubtfire tour had opened next to us,

1034
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: and the director of that show came, unbeknownst to me

1035
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 4: on his day off to see it. Came backstage afterwards

1036
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 4: and said, have you ever thought about doing this on Broadway?

1037
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: And I said, well, anywhere in New York would be great,

1038
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: and he said, well, I know people, why don't I

1039
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: connect you. He set up a meeting a couple of

1040
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: weeks later in New York, and three months later I

1041
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: opened my show six months off Broadway called The Life

1042
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: and Times of Mark summer Man Ough. Yeah, it was

1043
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: so much fun. I did the show.

1044
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: Change it all going to Broadway or was pretty much.

1045
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it got better. I became more relaxed. When I

1046
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: first started doing it, I was nervous at trouble remembering lines.

1047
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: And things changed in my life from the twelve years

1048
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: we started it to where it ended up. And plus

1049
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: I had, you know, real people behind me now with

1050
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: a real stage and real lights and real everything. And

1051
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: it was Chadra Benovitz, who was our director, who initially

1052
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: took the bull by the horns and said, this is

1053
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: something that I like and we should be doing. So

1054
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 4: the original team Chad and Me and Drew and Alex

1055
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: and a guy by the name of Mike Nappie. From

1056
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 4: day one we worked together and we ended up doing

1057
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: it in New York together and it was one of

1058
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: the biggest thrills in my life. And then from there

1059
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: somebody from Hallmark saw me and I start in a

1060
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: Hallmark movie called Hanegun the Rocks that aired last December,

1061
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: which we'll airn now forever.

1062
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's amazing.

1063
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 5: So wait, you mentioned that your your family never took

1064
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 5: you to like Broadway shows or things like that. Was

1065
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 5: anybody in your family in the entertainment business?

1066
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: How?

1067
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: A brother the love start.

1068
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: My brother was a musician and he was a prodigy,

1069
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 4: and at age fifteen he was being picked up from

1070
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 4: our house and driven to Chicago to play drums with

1071
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 4: Henry Mancini and Johnny Mathis, for God's sake. So he

1072
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 4: was in the industry doing that, still doing it today,

1073
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 4: believe it or not, in his late seventies and doing

1074
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: orchestras and stuff. He was Marvin Hamlish's conductor for ten years.

1075
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 4: I mean he's he was in the industry, but in

1076
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: a different form, more behind the scenes. And you know,

1077
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 4: my dad was in the insurance business, and my parents said,

1078
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: you know, you should go in the insurance business with

1079
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 4: your father. You'd be a great, you know, guy who

1080
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: could do that. And I had no interest. All I

1081
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: ever wanted to do. I came out of the world

1082
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: wanted to be in the entertainment industry. I never took

1083
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 4: a job in a restaurant. I never worked at Macy's.

1084
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: Not there's anything wrong with that, but I went with

1085
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: the idea that if you do that, then chances of

1086
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 4: you going where you want to go is going to happen.

1087
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: So I never took a job outside the business. The

1088
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 4: worst job I ever had was at a restaurant called

1089
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: The Hungry Tiger and Los Angeles, and I was a

1090
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: disc jockey and a disco that they had for a while,

1091
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 4: and I hated that job. But that was as far

1092
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: outside show business I ever got.

1093
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: Man, you mentioned that you had been diagnosed with cancer

1094
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: a long time ago. How is your health now.

1095
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: I'm on medication on a daily basis. I take a

1096
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: pill that only cost eighteen thousand thousand a month.

1097
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's it.

1098
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 4: Huh, Yeah, that's it. I was in chemo three times.

1099
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: First time for two years and it was good for

1100
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 4: a few years. It took it again for a year,

1101
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 4: it was good for a year or two. Took it

1102
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: again and it wasn't good and they were really going

1103
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 4: to have to blast me with some really intense stuff.

1104
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 4: Or if this pill works and it doesn't work on everybody,

1105
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 4: you're in pretty good shape.

1106
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 6: And so is it to Griso?

1107
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: Pardon me?

1108
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: Is it to Griso?

1109
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 4: No, It's called IMBRUVCA okay, And I've been on it

1110
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: for almost five years now and it's keeping me alive.

1111
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: You know, I'll be seventy four in about eight weeks,

1112
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 4: and you know, still feel like a million bucks.

1113
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: Good for you. I also wanted to talk to you

1114
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: about something else you had mentioned, and we kind of

1115
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: glossed right over it. But I know people like to

1116
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: focus on your OCD now and how you hosted the

1117
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: messiest show on TV. My husband also suffers from OCD,

1118
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: but he has more of the obsessive thoughts rather than

1119
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 3: the truth. Yes, exactly. And so what was it like

1120
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 3: for you doing double there and having OCD and not

1121
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 3: even knowing it at the time.

1122
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 4: Well, I knew I didn't like get messy, and I

1123
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 4: knew I liked everything organized, but you wait your whole

1124
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 4: life to get a job. Little did I know it

1125
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: was going to be the Miss MESSI show on television.

1126
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: And so I had to have a conversation with myself.

1127
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: You finally got where you want to go? Are you

1128
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 4: going to let this stand in your way? And so

1129
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 4: nobody knew I had it. I didn't even know what

1130
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 4: it was called. And then when I was diagnosed, I

1131
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: was hosting a talk show on Lifetime called Biggers and

1132
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 4: Summers and doctor Eric Hollander was on, and I read

1133
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: the research the night before and found out, Oh my god,

1134
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: all the stuff I've been doing as a name. And

1135
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 4: I had to decide we were live. Do I lie

1136
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: and go on that show and pretend I don't have it,

1137
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: or do I come out and say, hey, this is

1138
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: what I have. And I said, this is what I

1139
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: have and made the announcement. Well, the next thing I know,

1140
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 4: I'm on Oprah and Dateline and Jerry Labor and the

1141
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: president of the network called me and apologized. I said,

1142
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 4: you have nothing to apologize for. It changed my life

1143
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 4: in a positive way, you know, but who knew. So

1144
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: it's about I have a podcast called March and Summers

1145
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 4: on wraps. And here's the deal. You go to a movie,

1146
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 4: you see a movie star, you watch somebody on TV,

1147
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: go to a Broadway show and see somebody and you say, well,

1148
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 4: they have the best life in the world. How did

1149
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: that happen? And it's about having a passion and why

1150
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: do some people give up on that passion and go

1151
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 4: sell shoes or you know, working in the insurance business

1152
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 4: and others. Keep moving. And I've had everybody on my show.

1153
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 4: We just had Jay Leno on this past week. I've

1154
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 4: got George Klepper coming on in the next couple of weeks,

1155
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 4: Michael Simon, who was a chef on Food Network. We've

1156
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: been fascinating people on the show. We've been doing it

1157
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: for a couple of years, and those are where the

1158
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: stories are really interesting. Is what made you decide to

1159
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 4: keep going forward? Because the word that you generally hear

1160
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: in the entertainment industry, as you all know, is no,

1161
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 4: you didn't get the job. Why do you keep moving forward?

1162
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 4: Then you either have to have a hell of a

1163
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: lot of confidence in yourself or be out of your mind,

1164
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: or combination of the two. You know, and all of

1165
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: us here are talking today kind of have that in

1166
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: our bodies. Yeah.

1167
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 5: Well, it's also what you said about you were born

1168
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 5: wanting to be an entertainer. I think those are the

1169
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 5: people that you meet more often than not. Out Here

1170
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 5: are people that we've talked about this Danielle Ryder and

1171
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 5: I where you can't see yourself doing anything else.

1172
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 6: Ever, you can't not be in the entertainment industry.

1173
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 4: And I felt like I've never worked a day in

1174
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 4: my life. I can achieve that I get a check

1175
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: to do what I do, you know, And I've done

1176
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 4: talk shows and I've done game shows, and you know,

1177
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: I've done a little bit of everything, and at the

1178
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 4: end of the week, I get a check for that.

1179
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: It's like, are you kidding me out? Have done this

1180
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 4: for free? You know?

1181
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

1182
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 5: Is there any talk anywhere about bringing back Doubledare?

1183
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: I doubt it because you know, as you know, Nickelodeon

1184
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: was just sold in the whole CBS Paramount deal. When

1185
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: we came back seven eight years ago, the show was

1186
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: doing great, but new management came in and the first

1187
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 4: thing new management does is cancel things, whether they're successful

1188
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: or not. Could I still do the show? Absolutely. I

1189
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: went out and did a tour a few years ago,

1190
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: and you know, we had more adults and kids because

1191
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: they wanted to relive their childhood. But I can't imagine

1192
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: in a million years two things a that they would

1193
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: even bring it back, or anybody who's running Nickelodeon these

1194
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 4: days even knows what double there is. And I'm sure,

1195
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 4: they would be very hesitant to take a seventy four

1196
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 4: year old man and put them on that position. I

1197
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 4: could do it. We had an influencer do it last time.

1198
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: She did an okay job. But you know, I always

1199
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 4: say this, and it's true. She was sick one day

1200
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: and I filled in, and when I did, the ratings

1201
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 4: went up twenty five percent. So there's something I bring

1202
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 4: to the show that of course.

1203
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: Of course.

1204
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man.

1205
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: One thing I wanted to ask you about too, that

1206
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: is properly viral in twenty twenty five, especially with TikTok

1207
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: is your encounter with Burt Reynolds on The Tonight Show.

1208
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: Are you surprised that this clip is running rampant more

1209
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 3: than thirty years later?

1210
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 4: Thirty years later and it doesn't go away? You know,

1211
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: every six weeks there's a debate online about me and

1212
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 4: Bert and everybody says, oh, it was all set up,

1213
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: And as I always say, I'm not that good of

1214
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 4: an actor. I couldn't have done that. He just hated

1215
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 4: me for the minute I walked out there, and what

1216
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: happened is what happened. Jay, you know, called me the

1217
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: next day and was going out between you and Bert.

1218
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 4: You know, you had no idea that I was going

1219
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 4: to turn into what it turned into. But it never

1220
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: seems to go away. And when they do the you

1221
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 4: know classic moments of the Tonight Show, I'm in that

1222
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 4: thing every darn time.

1223
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 3: Did you ever run into Bert again?

1224
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 4: No? I would have run him over if I could,

1225
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: But I didn't run into No. I did not. And

1226
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: I was at a French house the next day who

1227
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 4: knew his publicist and said, why don't we call him

1228
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 4: and see what the publicist says. And the publicist said,

1229
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 4: Bert thought I was a bottom feeder of show business,

1230
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 4: and I didn't show the movie star any respect. And

1231
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 4: here's the thing you'll ask yourself, how does the guy

1232
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: who was the number one box office star for five

1233
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 4: years in a row die with no money? Not not

1234
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 4: the smartest bulb in the pack. And there's all sorts

1235
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 4: of other stories I can tell you that I won't,

1236
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: But nonetheless it was great for my career, and it

1237
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 4: was part of the downward turn of his I believe.

1238
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did two episodes of Evening Shape before

1239
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: I did Boy Me, so you know they were the

1240
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: worst experiences. Like I was so terrified of him, and

1241
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: he was so awful.

1242
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 2: He was so mean.

1243
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: I have multiple and it's like, you know, people have

1244
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: asked like, how was it working with Burt Reynolds. I'm like, awful,

1245
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: Like like he's like one of those few people.

1246
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: And then I had a friend.

1247
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: Who did the Dukes of Hazzard reboot movie with him

1248
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: years later and they became friendly and I was like, really,

1249
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: you're getting along with Bertie. He's like, well he was

1250
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: grumpy back in those days, back in the evening. I

1251
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: was like, I don't care, man, you treat you treat

1252
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: like you know, I watched him treat a prop a

1253
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: prop master so horribly and like that's you know, you

1254
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: don't treat your crew like that.

1255
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: He was drinking an episode two like he.

1256
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 4: Was those people making it look good every day. You know,

1257
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 4: if anybody should be you should be nice to. It's

1258
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 4: all those lighting gaffer every folks who do it on

1259
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: a daily basis. But yeah, that never goes away, and

1260
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: that's fine. And every time I go in and I

1261
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: say it wasn't set up and I went, oh, yeah,

1262
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: why do they have pies? And I've given this explanation

1263
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 4: a million times and I'm sort of done with it.

1264
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 4: But you know, because of the Internet and everybody thinks

1265
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: they're an expert on everything. Don't waste your time, you

1266
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 4: and get into an argument because these people, you know,

1267
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 4: live in their mother's basements, and you know they're the

1268
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 4: ones who call you on your phone when it says spam,

1269
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 4: And those are the people I'm debating with. And I

1270
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 4: realized I'm done with that.

1271
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you, man, looking back on your career,

1272
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 3: which has been so long, and you've you've never worked

1273
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: a job outside of the entertainment industry. If you could

1274
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: go back to young, young Mark, just starting out and

1275
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: tell him one thing about his future, what would you

1276
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 3: tell him?

1277
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 4: Never accept the word known no matter what they say,

1278
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: and just keep believing in yourself because you're good. Now,

1279
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 4: here's the thing that's interesting. When I started the comedy

1280
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 4: store in the Magic Castle, I thought I was pretty good.

1281
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 4: But the first night I went to the comedy store

1282
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 4: and I saw Jay and Dave and Robin and those

1283
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 4: kinds of people, and I went, oh, my god, I

1284
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 4: have so much work to do. And here's a funny story.

1285
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 4: So I was engaged. And my wife didn't quite understand

1286
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: the entertainment industry. She was a dental assistant, and I

1287
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 4: brought her to the Magic Castle to see my show

1288
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 4: and I thought I killed. I thought, man, I couldn't

1289
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 4: have done a better job. And I'm so glad that

1290
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 4: she saw that show. And she came backstage afterwards and

1291
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 4: I said, so, what do you think And she said

1292
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 4: to me, it got a lot of work to the

1293
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 4: years later.

1294
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 5: She was the ones that are honest, you stick with

1295
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 5: the ones that are honest.

1296
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was undred percent right. You know, there's something

1297
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 4: that we used to call in the comedy store days

1298
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 4: laugh ears. You tell a joke and the audience doesn't laugh,

1299
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: but in your mind you say, wow, they love that

1300
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 4: joke when they really didn't. And so you have to

1301
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: get to a reality point in your life where you go,

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Speaker 4: you know, when Robin Williams walk on stage, and it

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Speaker 4: would take them, you know, twenty five minutes to say hello,

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Speaker 4: and by the time you walk sometimes I'd have to

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Speaker 4: follow Robin at the Comedy Store. Of course, after Robin

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Speaker 4: was on what could you do? In my opening line,

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Speaker 4: they say you not welcome to comedy Mark Summers, and

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Speaker 4: I'd say, oh, thank you, Lisien John walking ovation because

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Speaker 4: everybody was leaving the column.

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Speaker 3: Store Finally, my last question for you. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: wondered what life is a rabbi would have looked like?

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't. I found out, you know, after

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Speaker 4: the fact that it would not have been good for me.

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Speaker 4: I'm not good one on one even to this day

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Speaker 4: as far as you know, doing that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I would have been, you know, sort of bred

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Speaker 4: into that lifestyle. But you know, when we were touring

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Speaker 4: the Nickelodeon show and doing Double There at the Palace

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Speaker 4: of Auburn Hills and selling out twenty thousand seedars on

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Speaker 4: a regular basis for years, it's all different feel And

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Speaker 4: I really like the fact of helping a lot of

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Speaker 4: people a little as opposed to the other view. And

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Speaker 4: you learn a lot from people as well. And I mean,

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Speaker 4: I can tell you endless stories. We used to do

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Speaker 4: weeks on Double There that had various themes, and we

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Speaker 4: did a cancer week once and I was in the

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Speaker 4: makeup room and it kid came after me and said, Hey, Mark,

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Speaker 4: you know how I got on Double There. I've got

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Speaker 4: cancer And I said, I kind of think there's easier

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Speaker 4: ways to get on this. But you know, we did

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Speaker 4: a lot of you know, last wish kind of situations

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Speaker 4: as well, because the show had so much impact and

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Speaker 4: the fact that you, you know, would bring these kids

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Speaker 4: in and they'd you know, run the course, and the

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Speaker 4: parents would be sitting in your dressing room watching the

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Speaker 4: kids have the best time in their life, and they'd

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Speaker 4: have tears in their eyes. But for that moment, it

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Speaker 4: was the most important thing to those kids. So I

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Speaker 4: was able to provide a lot of happiness as well.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I've had a charmed existence and I

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Speaker 4: am just thankful that I was in the situation I

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Speaker 4: was and got to do everything I got to do well.

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Speaker 3: Mark, Thank you so much for being here with us today.

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Speaker 3: You've been such a pleasure and a delight, and you

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 3: have so many interesting stories. I feel like we could

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: keep you here for another hour and just listen to everything.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: I know for sure Will has a million questions.

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Speaker 2: But I've been good.

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Speaker 6: I've been good. I've been good.

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Speaker 4: I do these fairly often, and I don't get to

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Speaker 4: work with pros like you guys that much. You are spectacular,

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00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: and I appreciate the hard work you put in and

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 4: the fantastic job you do in the interviews with Thank

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Speaker 4: you for that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Thank you so much. Mark, It was really

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00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 3: wonderful to have you here. Really means a lot to

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Speaker 3: all of us.

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Speaker 4: You guys have a great day. Thanks so much, you

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00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 4: too too.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Man. That guy's life, what.

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Speaker 2: A career, legend. I love it. Legend. He was the

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Speaker 2: face of the entire network.

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Speaker 5: I mean when we were on the on Nickelodeon, it

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00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 5: didn't matter what show you are, no matter what you

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Speaker 5: were doing.

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Speaker 2: It was if he walked into the room, the network was.

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Speaker 6: There, Mark was there.

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Speaker 1: It would have been incredibly rude to ask. But if

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Speaker 1: they're only paying nine thousand dollars in an episode, he is.

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Speaker 2: Not making a whole lot of kid is doing that

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: for the love.

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Speaker 1: And he is, and he's doing I mean even if

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Speaker 1: he's getting I mean he was making method Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: yet he like he said he would have done it

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Speaker 1: for free.

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Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you when I started on Don't

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00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 5: Just Sit There, I was making eleven hundred dollars a

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Speaker 5: week and we would do something like twenty episodes.

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Speaker 6: I mean it was like we were doing a ton

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Speaker 6: of you.

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Speaker 3: Were just making it per week, not per episode, No.

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Speaker 6: Not per episode. It was eleven hundred dollars a week.

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Speaker 1: In New York since six episodes a day, he was

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Speaker 1: probably making about that and.

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Speaker 2: For you as a kid, you're like, this is d

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00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: was the greatest thing in the world.

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Speaker 5: It was, And we shot during the summers because obviously

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 5: they didn't want to put us in school, so it

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00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 5: was you know, they would throw in as much as

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00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 5: they possibly could. But that's so, you know, that was

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Speaker 5: I think I started on Nickelodeon in eighty seven eighty eight,

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 5: and that was big money back then to make that

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00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 5: kind of cash, especially as.

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Speaker 6: A twelve year old.

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Speaker 5: But it didn't matter what we were doing where we were.

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Speaker 5: There were two things you wanted when you were working

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Speaker 5: at Nickelodeon. The first was, when you got to a

1400
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 5: certain level, they gave you a Nickelodeon watch. It was

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Speaker 5: awesome that it was I'm sure I'm somewhere, yes, of course.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing was to meet Mark Summers, that's

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Speaker 6: just all.

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Speaker 2: And to get slimed.

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Speaker 5: Those are the three things that were like, if you

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01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 5: could do that, you you you made it. And now

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 5: to this day still regret that I missed being able

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01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 5: to run the Obstacle course by like a week.

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Speaker 3: You know what, such a such an incredible thing that

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01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: like things work out the way they do sometimes in

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Speaker 3: the sense that someone like Mark Summers, obviously an incredibly

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Speaker 3: kind and nice person, is the person who ends up

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Speaker 3: working with kids. Imagine if Burt Reynolds had gotten the.

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Speaker 5: Job run the double there, Come on, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Who's gonna double there?

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Speaker 2: It's happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's you know, the problem with someone like Burt

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Speaker 1: Renalds is he's so disappointed in his own career.

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Speaker 2: It's like ego is so fragile that.

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Speaker 1: He's not you know, he's always comparing himself to you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess probably Marlon Brando, like he's.

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Speaker 5: Just like again he was Mark is right, he was

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 5: the number one draw for cinema for like what four

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01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 5: years or five years now, but.

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Speaker 2: Then he maybe felt like he let himself down by

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Speaker 2: I don't know what.

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: But you look at somebody like Mark who just I

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01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: always wanted He just wanted to be a talk show

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01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: or a game show host and got there, and like

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: every step of the way getting there was not beating

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01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: himself up or disappointed.

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01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 2: Just how much harder do I have to work? What's next?

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, eventually get in a Broadway show.

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: But how many years did that take. It's like, you

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: have to have such.

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: A good attitude about these things because otherwise you give up.

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 3: Well, even just hearing him say before he got doubled

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 3: there from the time he moved to La to getting

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 3: double there was thirteen years years, thirteen years.

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Speaker 5: Oh the stories that guy must have about being the

1441
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 5: page and.

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01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: All the different shows.

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01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 5: No, oh, man, that's like, please write a book, Please

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01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 5: write a book.

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01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 4: You know what.

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: You got to go check out the One Man Show.

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true too. You wonder how much he holds

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01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: back there?

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01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 5: You wonder, like I will tell you.

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01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, we're taking Mark summers lunch. Let's go.

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01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 5: Well, he lives near us, Danielle, because I saw him

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01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 5: at the local grocery store like a year ago.

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: So he said, he said, you have my number, so

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01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: will well, we'll make sure you have his number and

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01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: if you could arrange a lunch, we'll do it. Like

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01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 3: I said, I know we live somewhat close to him

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01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: because we went to high school with I went to

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01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: high school with this.

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01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: Man, anyway, that was such a fun interview. Thank you

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: so much for joining us for this episode of Pod

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