WEBVTT - 051824 What Makes Police Problems Systemic Problems? (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop

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<v Speaker 1>weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's Jock.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsy's job I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully still tuned in or maybe just tuning in to

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<v Speaker 2>another week of Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, we appreciate you and we have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in store for you. So we're going to take the

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<v Speaker 1>next part of the show and discuss some systemic issues.

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<v Speaker 1>There is an article that we came across that we

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<v Speaker 1>felt helps paint a picture that we've kind of been

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<v Speaker 1>tinkering on for many years on this show, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that police officers aren't simply bad apples.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed there are, but they're part of.

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<v Speaker 1>A system that is corrupt and the story that we

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<v Speaker 1>intend to share this half of the show, we believe

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<v Speaker 1>illustrates that point quite well. But before we get there

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<v Speaker 1>for those that have seen the movie Hoopdale Station starring

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<v Speaker 1>Michael B. Jordan, Reverend Wanda Johnson is the mother of

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<v Speaker 1>the title character in the or the main character in

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<v Speaker 1>that film. But I want you to watch her most

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<v Speaker 1>recent film to documentary and it's on Netflix. The Mother

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<v Speaker 1>of Oscar Grant Reverend Wanda Johnson an award winning Brazilian filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah Suza Silva's new film, Or Our Children is a

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<v Speaker 1>powerful documentary. Two Black women whose young sons were brutalized

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<v Speaker 1>by police build a network of support, healing, and political action.

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah Susa Silva sees this as a call to action.

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<v Speaker 1>She's urging others to refocus their collective attention on police

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<v Speaker 1>brutality by listening to the stories of survivors and readdressing

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<v Speaker 1>the issue's ruth causes. Susa Silva's documentary film For Our

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<v Speaker 1>Children gives audiences an intimate look into the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>those who've experienced police brutality and Metola takes on their families,

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<v Speaker 1>written directed and produced by Silva, For Our Children delves

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<v Speaker 1>into Reverend Johnson's relentless efforts to immortalize her son by

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<v Speaker 1>advocating for the Fruitville bart station where he was killed

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and nine, to be renamed in his honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Her story coincides with a harrowing police violence incident involving

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<v Speaker 1>Angela Williams and her then seventeen year old son Ulysses Wilkerson.

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<v Speaker 1>Though he survives the brutal encounter, Ulysses's life becomes ensnared

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<v Speaker 1>in a web of suspicion and reprisal by local law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement that the family continues to fight today. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to watch for Our Children on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, my.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother, yep. Before we move on, important to put a

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<v Speaker 2>better period on the first segment and finalize it, thought, please,

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<v Speaker 2>The words that I wish I'd used are there are

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<v Speaker 2>victims on both sides of that conflict, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>those that suffer that are not directly involved with said

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<v Speaker 2>conflict and don't support it. And the data shows, not Ramsas' opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>not Quentin's opinion, that one side of that conflict has

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<v Speaker 2>suffered far greater losses than the other, and those losses

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<v Speaker 2>can tinue to what end. There seems to be no solution,

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<v Speaker 2>no answer, no thing that would satisfy the desire for

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<v Speaker 2>loss by one side of that conflict. Yeah, nothing that

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<v Speaker 2>could be said or done that will make them say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is enough. And that's why you see children, students

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<v Speaker 2>mostly all over the country and all over the world protesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll say, with regards to our former president and

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<v Speaker 2>people that think like him, stop for a second and

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<v Speaker 2>ask yourself why white men are never called traders, are

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<v Speaker 2>never called terrorists, and are now somehow not even referred

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<v Speaker 2>to even when they are Neo Nazis as anti semit

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<v Speaker 2>Why the far right, because a lot of them now

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<v Speaker 2>that are showing up to protest, raising their fist as

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<v Speaker 2>pro Israeli.

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<v Speaker 3>Historically they've been buried.

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<v Speaker 2>Not stand a pollsed to neil nazis interesting question to

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<v Speaker 2>ask yourself. I'm not asking this of Rams as we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have an idea of why that's so, but

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting place to start a conversation with yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's indeed a potent observation. I'm not mad.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to add something there but I think

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of nailed it. So if you're missing context,

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<v Speaker 1>I employ you to check out our website, civicsipper dot

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<v Speaker 1>com and listen to the first part of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>because you had some stuff to get off his chest

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<v Speaker 1>and we all needed to hear it. All Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what's going on in La County. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to share a bit of a story from

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Information Network. Dozens of probation officers and Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles County were put on administrative leave over the last

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<v Speaker 1>five months for several misconduct allegations, including excessive force, sexual abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and drug possession. The Los Angeles County Probation Department announced

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<v Speaker 1>that sixty six of its officers were put on leave

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<v Speaker 1>since January first. According to a May thirteenth news release,

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<v Speaker 1>probation officers were assigned to the department's adult and juvenile

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<v Speaker 1>operations and will face internal affairs investigations that historically doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean much. The police are investigating the police and deciding

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<v Speaker 1>what the police's punishment should be since their police anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Officials said thirty nine of the officers were cited for

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<v Speaker 1>issues of general misconduct, including suspected use of excessive force,

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<v Speaker 1>no surprise, and child endangerment or abuse, possession of contraman

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<v Speaker 1>and negligent supervision. Eighteen were put on leave for alleged

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<v Speaker 1>sexual misconduct and nine for arrests unrelated to employment. The

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<v Speaker 1>nation's largest probation agency states this is an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>regain public trust and single out employees who are engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in alleged misconduct. I'll say here, it's not nothing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not what we would ask for, but it's not nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're trying to earn back the public's trust, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not That's not a pat on the back. I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to say, I think similar oversight to patrol

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<v Speaker 2>officers would do a lot, a lot more in the

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<v Speaker 2>way of regaining than just the public trust. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not nothing, as Ramses was.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying, And again, it's not a pat on the back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not me excusing it. It's like, Okay, at least

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<v Speaker 1>we got that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's not it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to acknowledge. My position historically has been

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging when the opposition takes a step in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction, we we know we have to take

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of steps in their direction. But when they

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<v Speaker 1>do take a step in this direction, it's not nothing

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not regression. So we got a long way

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Never hid from that, but anyway, I'll finish up.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>We are releasing this information in the spirit of greater

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<v Speaker 1>transparency and to address sorry, to assure our stakeholders, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the families of youth and our juvenile facilities, that we

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<v Speaker 1>will not tolerate anything that impedes our mission to provide

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<v Speaker 1>a safe, nurturing and structured environment for those entrusted to

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<v Speaker 1>our care.

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<v Speaker 3>Unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a quote from Probation Chief Guillermo Vierira Rosa,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's important to add this. This release states that

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<v Speaker 1>nearly twenty eight hundred sworn officers work at the department.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if that's the entire police department

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<v Speaker 1>or all of the officers together, or if that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the probation.

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<v Speaker 3>Department.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing Los Angeles has a larger force than twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred officers, but.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, neither of us know. But the point is.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is is that what they're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>is compare the six six officers who've been placed on

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<v Speaker 1>lead to this larger number of officers who work there, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And so let's have this conversation. On the show. We've been.

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<v Speaker 1>Making a case that there are systemic issues, and the

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<v Speaker 1>pushback from those that oppose this view is that, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>these are individual bad actors, right, Which is funny because

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<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of times those same folks are

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<v Speaker 1>happy to quote statistics about how black people commit x

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<v Speaker 1>amount of crimes and you know, black people this, that,

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<v Speaker 1>and the third, but aren't willing to look at black

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<v Speaker 1>people individually, right, And I say, let's look at everything systemically,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think that individuals behaviors are the result of

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<v Speaker 1>systemic insulation, sometimes systemic restrictions, and you end up having

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<v Speaker 1>these outliers. And when these outliers the numbers tend to grow.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you're dealing with what I would refer to and

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<v Speaker 1>most people refer to as a systemic issue. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>important that if we're going to have one conversation, let's

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<v Speaker 1>both have that one conversation. If it's about individuals, then sure,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have it. If we're going to have a systemic conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>then let's have it across the board. But insofar as

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<v Speaker 1>police are concerned, regardless of there's twenty eight hundred officers

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<v Speaker 1>or twenty eight thousand or twenty eight million. If I

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<v Speaker 1>see sixty six people that are caught up on all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff, I don't see individual actors. Sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>is a big number, especially when you're talking about people

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<v Speaker 1>who are empowered to shape outcomes for the citizens that

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<v Speaker 1>pay their salary, that they're supposed to protect, so forth

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. Sixty six is a big enough number

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<v Speaker 1>for a city to suggest that there is.

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<v Speaker 3>A degree of insulation.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that this number doesn't tell to

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<v Speaker 1>people that might oppose this opinion is it doesn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>how long these sixty six individuals have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>shape outcomes for let's be honest, black and brown people

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<v Speaker 1>and out what the ripple effect of those outcomes has

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<v Speaker 1>been on those black and brown families, those black and

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<v Speaker 1>brown communities, the children, and the reality that they see,

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<v Speaker 1>the traumas and the generational traumas. This number sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't reflect any of that. I'll take it a step further.

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<v Speaker 1>This number sixty six is the number of people that

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<v Speaker 1>were caught committing crimes that were significant enough to warrant

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<v Speaker 1>disciplinary action. So this in no way should suggest that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>only sixty six in a city this size, sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing Okay, No, this is sixty six who got caught.

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<v Speaker 1>We tell stories all the time of police misconduct, and

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<v Speaker 1>we only tell.

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<v Speaker 3>The stories of the police who were caught.

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<v Speaker 1>But I come from and I know Q will have

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<v Speaker 1>something to add here, But I come from the place

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<v Speaker 1>comp in California.

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<v Speaker 3>We up right now, So shout out to Compton. One time.

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<v Speaker 3>I come from a place where I I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Just how cool the police were, exactly what police misconduct

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<v Speaker 1>looked like. I rams this jah Rudy King Taylor. The

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<v Speaker 1>second saw with these two eyes, the police rob people

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<v Speaker 1>on the street, beat them up and rob them. Granted

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<v Speaker 1>it was in the eighties when I was a little kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but I saw it happen. I know what a robbery

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<v Speaker 1>looks like, and I know what it looks like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're defenseless to fight back. And this is very much

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<v Speaker 1>shaped my relationship with the police and my view of

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<v Speaker 1>the police. And again, I recognize that there are good

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<v Speaker 1>people on both sides.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, But but.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're talking about a systemic issue, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss the system that creates the degree of insulation that

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<v Speaker 1>allows people to feel like they can do this and

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<v Speaker 1>not live in fear of the consequences of it, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know if I robbed somebody, I would live in

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<v Speaker 1>fear of those consequences. Right if I beat somebody and

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<v Speaker 1>smashed their head into the side of the car door.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that I saw with these eyes. For those

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<v Speaker 1>that don't know, I may have shared the story on

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<v Speaker 1>this show before, but I've seen the police pull a

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<v Speaker 1>guy out of his car when I was very little,

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<v Speaker 1>and they set him on the ground on this and

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<v Speaker 1>he is in an intersection in the street now on

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<v Speaker 1>the side. He was in the middle of the street

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<v Speaker 1>where cars would have to go around them. They set

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<v Speaker 1>him on the ground in front of his car and

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<v Speaker 1>they took his head and then they smashed his head.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was sitting on the ground the police were standing.

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<v Speaker 1>They took his head and smashed his head into the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the car door. And it had been at

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<v Speaker 1>the door in I might have been four or five

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and I saw that happen. So again, when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about black people's relationship with the police, why

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<v Speaker 1>black people don't want talk to police, We don't want none.

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<v Speaker 3>To do with the police. The police stay over there,

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<v Speaker 3>will stay over here and just keep it the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking in general terms, it's especially pronounced for black people

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<v Speaker 1>that come from environments like that and Detroit in the

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<v Speaker 1>three one three, So and I know it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>different out there, and feel free to speak on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that there's a lot more in the

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<v Speaker 1>way of black people who fill the ranks and the

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<v Speaker 1>police departments in a place like Detroit, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>still systemic issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, the design, purpose, and mission of police departments all

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<v Speaker 2>across the country are the same, so the people that

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<v Speaker 2>wear the uniform have far less impact on how that

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<v Speaker 2>how those duties are carried out than we might imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>And somehow or sometimes rather just because of the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of the job and what's required to do it to

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<v Speaker 2>the pleasure of your authority and those who employ you,

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<v Speaker 2>you could be a decent person doing a very very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult job, having a unfortunately negative impact on the lives

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<v Speaker 2>of people that you would otherwise be empathetic of. That look, think, pray, love,

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<v Speaker 2>and vote the way that you do because it's what

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<v Speaker 2>the job calls for. I start a lot of conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with what may sound like a disclaimer to people reminding

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<v Speaker 2>you as you hear my voice, because the position that

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<v Speaker 2>I take on things might give you the wrong impression.

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<v Speaker 2>I am no one's moral, spiritual, or intellectual.

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<v Speaker 3>Superior intellectual part.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that no and most mostly because we do

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<v Speaker 2>not have to agree on everything right, So the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I hold strong position on, I don't require those

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<v Speaker 2>in my life to share all of them. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>them you need to. Well, we can't rock at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But I say that because I'm also not a judge.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also not an officer. I'm also not a probation officer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also not the person who gets to decide what

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<v Speaker 2>your outcomes and the reality of the people that love

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<v Speaker 2>you will look like based on how I feel on

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<v Speaker 2>any given day. And if I'd elected to apply for

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<v Speaker 2>and was lucky enough to obtain one of those positions

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<v Speaker 2>police officer, judge, you know, district attorney, politician, then I

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<v Speaker 2>would need to be held to a higher standard because

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<v Speaker 2>if my decisions are going to decide whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>your kids grow up hungry or without you, or whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not the mistake that you make carries more weight

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<v Speaker 2>than a counterpart who might not look, live, pray, and

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<v Speaker 2>love the way that you do. Then I would need

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<v Speaker 2>to It would make sense for me to be held

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<v Speaker 2>to a higher moral standard. I should be infallible. You

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to comb through my secrets and realize

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't have the same shortcomings as an everyday citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>That should be required for me to sit in a

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<v Speaker 2>position where I get to tell you you can't be

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<v Speaker 2>free because I said so. People should be able to say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you to say so? And then I should

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<v Speaker 2>be able to show you this listening resume of near

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<v Speaker 2>perfection that I have. If I'm going to dismiss or

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<v Speaker 2>suspend my empathy, if I'm going to dismiss or suspend

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<v Speaker 2>being able to understand or relate to you, then you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be able to relate to me either. You should

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<v Speaker 2>have to look at my recan and be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he should be the one you know. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a good father, He is a fair person, He

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<v Speaker 2>has not committed crimes. He has shown in a history

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<v Speaker 2>of decisions to be fair on all of these things,

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<v Speaker 2>not some of most of them. And we allow too

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<v Speaker 2>much in the way of missteps, mistakes, and mishandlings to

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<v Speaker 2>people who willed way too much power, way too much

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<v Speaker 2>I've used the example, and I've heard other people use

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<v Speaker 2>the example before pilots. How you don't get to be

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<v Speaker 2>the one bad apple or the two bad apples or

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<v Speaker 2>the twelve bad apples that keeps crashing planes and ending

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<v Speaker 2>people's lives. And that's because pilots, in the event that

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<v Speaker 2>they do so, have to her and their union has

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<v Speaker 2>to incur what those penalties look like. Same with doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>same with almost every other profession except police. But as

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<v Speaker 2>long as our police have the fiscal immunity that they

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<v Speaker 2>have and are protected in a way where they are

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<v Speaker 2>able to run a file and make the type of

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes that could end your life figuratively and literally by

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<v Speaker 2>taking away your freedom or by taking away your life,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no reason for that system to be corrected. So,

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<v Speaker 2>once again calling back to the cry that I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cringe that the first time I heard it, of

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<v Speaker 2>defund the police, you have to go back and examine

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<v Speaker 2>what the measurable outcomes would have been from the things

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<v Speaker 2>that were put in place or being proposed at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Get passed the catchphrase or the slogan or whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call it, the positioner, and go and see

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<v Speaker 2>what type of things they really wanted to put into place,

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<v Speaker 2>what type of legislation, what type of actual reform, and

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<v Speaker 2>what type of reallocating of resources were being proposed, and

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<v Speaker 2>measure how the lives of so many people would have

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<v Speaker 2>been shaped by those decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>Well said masterful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is an ongoing conversation, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's important that we discuss.

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<v Speaker 3>How things look to.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, systemic issues require systemic changes. Individual issues don't really

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<v Speaker 1>move the needle, don't make people vote any differently anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You mentioned the pilots. If one airplane crashes,

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be a whole investigation and they will change all

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<v Speaker 1>the laws for all of the airplanes in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And we need to have that same time of respect

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<v Speaker 1>for black lives. So with that in mind, we'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>that right there. Has always had like to thank you

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<v Speaker 1>I want to shout out.

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<v Speaker 3>To Philip some more time. Man, we love you brother.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how these conversations go, So don't lose faith

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<v Speaker 1>in us. Man, keep sending us letters and we'll keep

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<v Speaker 3>And until next week, y'all. Peace, peace,