Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome, Don's coming. There's dumb
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Return to the Shadows. Live. Here we
Speaker 1: are go into the Shadows live. Oh my goodness, let
Speaker 1: me get my comments upblicle you lovely people. Hi my lord,
Speaker 1: Hi everyone, We're getting there. Here we go now I
Speaker 1: found the comments by the angel. We are here and live,
Speaker 1: and there's Dan joining us the most special guests. Dam
Speaker 1: how does it feel here we are? It feels good.
Speaker 1: It feels good. I've gotta tell you it feels good.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I made an espresso martini for the occasion.
Speaker 1: I didn't do a good job. It tastes mostly like
Speaker 1: Volka and coffee, but I gave it a stab. And
Speaker 1: this is where we're at. But without Magnu Spain, I
Speaker 1: think all cocktails are subpar. Almost spilt it everywhere. That
Speaker 1: would have been a nightmare start to all of this.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. We need I need. I needed
Speaker 1: Harry here. Also, by the way, we should start this
Speaker 1: off with a massive congratulations to Harry. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that everything everywhere all at once? Team what an Oscar's
Speaker 1: I mean that suits from the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: and then seeing him on stage I cried a little.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. I bawled my eyes out. It's our
Speaker 1: you know, for a biscuit, it means a lot when
Speaker 1: your warlock fairy godfather wins an oscar. It's a big
Speaker 1: deal for the Shadow Fam. But hey, you know what
Speaker 1: else is a big deal? Tell me it has been
Speaker 1: a year since we started the podcast. There's like to
Speaker 1: the day. No, I don't. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: to the day, I can't remember. But because when we
Speaker 1: recorded versus when we're released, it's it's very near to
Speaker 1: a year since we started podcast. And what a better
Speaker 1: way to celebrate the anniversary than to do a live
Speaker 1: show with you the Shadow Fam. No kidding. Our producers
Speaker 1: came up with the idea. They suggested it to us.
Speaker 1: We thought there was absolutely nothing better. We'll just start
Speaker 1: with the round of appause to our producers as well. Honestly,
Speaker 1: they've been the most fantastic team. They have been absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure working with you, and hopefully we
Speaker 1: get a chance to work with each other again in
Speaker 1: the future. But that's enough about you, because it's not
Speaker 1: about you. It's about me and maybe Cat only a little.
Speaker 1: I think it's about the Shadow fam personally. Well, first thing,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell me Dom, what is your favorite
Speaker 1: part about making this podcast? It's tricky. There's there's so
Speaker 1: much that we have covered in this year. We did
Speaker 1: fifty something episodes a lot, and we covered everything from
Speaker 1: like how we started, how we got cast, all the
Speaker 1: way through it, how it ended behind the scenes to
Speaker 1: cast that we worked with, crew that we worked with,
Speaker 1: the weather, the elements, Toronto, all of the different things
Speaker 1: that we dealt with. I have to say, I think
Speaker 1: my favorite thing has been bringing on guests and hearing
Speaker 1: the different the different perspectives of how this show was
Speaker 1: created and being able to sort of explain and welcome
Speaker 1: people into a world of like this is how we
Speaker 1: do this, Like this it's not just what you see
Speaker 1: on the screen. There's a thousand people behind the scenes
Speaker 1: who put this together. And being able to spences with
Speaker 1: you guys listening and everyone else who is not on
Speaker 1: the live um has been really special. So we really,
Speaker 1: I personally have really enjoyed that and it's been my
Speaker 1: favorite thing. Yeah, I was going to say the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. You know, it's so nice. We get asked
Speaker 1: so many questions about how the show has made and
Speaker 1: how we did certain things, and there's only so much
Speaker 1: of that that we can explain from our perspective, and
Speaker 1: getting to bring people on like Milesdale and Glenn Warner
Speaker 1: and Drew Potter and all these amazing people who were
Speaker 1: there every single day in the trenches with us, or
Speaker 1: even you know, Darren McGuire, who were there every single
Speaker 1: day and making a show with us and are such
Speaker 1: experts in their field, but also getting to hear their
Speaker 1: perspective on a personal level, but also getting to hear
Speaker 1: their experience. He doesn't get what he wants and now
Speaker 1: he's look at this. This is going to be happening.
Speaker 1: The last time that I'm going to say it out loud.
Speaker 1: This is not your shoe. This is my shoe. It
Speaker 1: stands shoe, It stands to your boy, you're just borrowing it.
Speaker 1: But it's, you know, getting to hear the perspective of
Speaker 1: these people that we've grown so close to and grown
Speaker 1: to really love and respect their perspective on a personal
Speaker 1: level of what it was like to be a part
Speaker 1: of the show because they were so special us and
Speaker 1: getting to hear you know that the experience was also
Speaker 1: special for them means a lot. But speaking of special folks,
Speaker 1: we have we have Our next segment is something I'm
Speaker 1: so excited for. We've done the mail bag episodes, we've
Speaker 1: done our Instagram lives, we've chatted with all of you
Speaker 1: at conventions, but now we get to bring you into
Speaker 1: the podcast. So we've our producing team have preselected a
Speaker 1: few audience members to join in and chit chat for
Speaker 1: a little bit and ask their questions live on the
Speaker 1: show with us. Can't wait. People in the comments. But
Speaker 1: before we sort of dive in, people in the comments
Speaker 1: have been saying, my mike isn't loud enough. How is
Speaker 1: that I've moved it a little closer to my face?
Speaker 1: Is that better for everyone? In a better microphone space?
Speaker 1: Let's give it like ten seconds, see if anyone says anything.
Speaker 1: By the way, I think a Dan fan club is yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dan love is Yeah. It's on the way, It's
Speaker 1: on the way. He's been he's been teasing an Instagram
Speaker 1: account for the last like three years. He's four now
Speaker 1: he's four. He's four. He's four years old. A little
Speaker 1: baby under your little little I know, little little tiny
Speaker 1: little thing that he was. Oh, it says better Okay,
Speaker 1: everything's better, and now we know that the delays about
Speaker 1: thirty seconds one, so they go, yes, well, um, our
Speaker 1: magical Angel team, will you bring in our first color
Speaker 1: cooler number one? Roll on up. This is Caitlin from
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Hello Caitlin, welcome, Thank you. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to be here, so lovely to meet you. Guys. You
Speaker 1: two you look like a saw special set up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looked like a shadow and say you're on a
Speaker 1: blue screen. It's like one set. It's crazy. I know
Speaker 1: for self tapes, I use it all the time. Yep,
Speaker 1: you're an actor as well. Yeah, actually that's part of
Speaker 1: my question here is um. First of all, thank you.
Speaker 1: This podcast has been great, both, you know, as a
Speaker 1: fan of the show and of this whole universe, but
Speaker 1: also as a young actor who is just getting started,
Speaker 1: just getting rolling. It's been really good to hear like
Speaker 1: honest stories about what the industry is like and how
Speaker 1: a show like this gets made. It's been so helpful
Speaker 1: for me. It's been helpful for my mom, who feels
Speaker 1: significantly better about all of this having heard you talk
Speaker 1: about we are still normal people, or as normal as
Speaker 1: we can have had our parents on the show is
Speaker 1: what we should have done. We should have had one
Speaker 1: of our parents, like we should have had our moms
Speaker 1: on his guests, like Dom's a dick, like we're sitting
Speaker 1: in now. I think I think I think we should
Speaker 1: arrange that, or at least try to for next season
Speaker 1: of the podcast. If anyone would like that to happen,
Speaker 1: let us know on the comments and we'll talk to
Speaker 1: our producers. But Caitlin, we're taking up all of your time.
Speaker 1: What is your question for us today? So my question
Speaker 1: is if you could relive any one day from the
Speaker 1: shadow Hunter set, which day would it be and why?
Speaker 1: Oh I can tell you right now. I as sad
Speaker 1: as it was, I would want to relive our very
Speaker 1: last day on the set because I know we've talked
Speaker 1: about the last day on set extensively on the podcast.
Speaker 1: But having everyone there from cast to crew to people
Speaker 1: who had worked on the show, people were still working
Speaker 1: on the show and other people just came to hang
Speaker 1: out and then our rat party was the best experience
Speaker 1: I've ever had on any show. I just stayed and
Speaker 1: really there was an odd reverence for the day because
Speaker 1: we all knew that this was the last. It was
Speaker 1: the end of an era as it were. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the last day we were all going to ever
Speaker 1: get to spend together on this project, in this space,
Speaker 1: with this group of people and this story, and it
Speaker 1: was such a beautiful way to celebrate it with the
Speaker 1: spoiler alert Malik wedding. By the way, if anyone listening
Speaker 1: or watching live hasn't seen all the way through the show,
Speaker 1: we're going to fucking ruin it, like thousand percent. We're
Speaker 1: going to ruin what happens in this show. There's no
Speaker 1: world in which we don't really the end of it.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, kaylin, I'll tell you just to not be
Speaker 1: because my aunts would probably be the same, but just
Speaker 1: to not be repetitive and boring. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: try and do that throughout. I was I found really
Speaker 1: exciting was like the warm up for like the sort
Speaker 1: of the week that we had warming up towards season two,
Speaker 1: and we started seeing the changes they were going to
Speaker 1: make with costumes and props, and then we met the
Speaker 1: Maguire brothers and we met Dean Copkov, the new stunt
Speaker 1: teams and the stunt riggers for the first time, and
Speaker 1: we started working on different movements and fighting styles and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we were thinking like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is actually a very different version of what we're going
Speaker 1: to be pushing to achieve here, and that was very exciting.
Speaker 1: So I would I would really live that, just not
Speaker 1: I would relive that, because that it was it was
Speaker 1: almost like restarting again with with sort of the experience
Speaker 1: of knowing who a lot of these people were and
Speaker 1: having sort of a new fire put underneath us, which
Speaker 1: was which was very cool. So that and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, like rejuvenating the whole thing, So it was
Speaker 1: that was pretty neat. So I would probably I would
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that you know what, um, I'll
Speaker 1: agree with you there. That's a really good answer. I
Speaker 1: hadn't thought of that. I can't agree with me after
Speaker 1: I disagreed with you. To be not repetitive. We can
Speaker 1: agree with each other's opinions. Already halfway through my drink.
Speaker 1: What am I going to do? Twenty minutes? Can never
Speaker 1: win twenty minutes to make a cattail? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: much Thank you for joining us, Good luck with everything.
Speaker 1: Wishing you all the best, especially for me, because I
Speaker 1: don't think we're ever going to be in direct competition
Speaker 1: for break all the legs. I'm anyway, but she's like this,
Speaker 1: there's another pretty blonde chick. That's enough. Good luck with everything, Kaylin,
Speaker 1: thank you so much of luck. The have fun. Bye.
Speaker 1: All right, let's bring our next gut up to something
Speaker 1: I don't know. Square here is like not Jaylor and
Speaker 1: welcome and you're a Missouri gala see yes, yes saying
Speaker 1: that's amazings off now where you're from? Cat? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: knew it. Well, welcome to the thank you? Oh goodness, Well,
Speaker 1: my dear, how are you today? First of all, I'm great,
Speaker 1: are you? I'm fantastic? And what is your question for us?
Speaker 1: My question is when you first began acting, what was
Speaker 1: your first experience like was it what? Did it live
Speaker 1: up to your expectations and or were you surprised by anything.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to tell this story. Cat, you go first,
Speaker 1: but I'm so excited. Okay, I think I know your
Speaker 1: ordom and it's it's a it's a good one. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm going, Oh my god, you're so right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, this I forgot about that one.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about a different one. Um gosh, what
Speaker 1: was my first onset experience? I think, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: My first actual onset TV experience was I was living
Speaker 1: in New York. A little night music had just closed
Speaker 1: and I booked a two line part on Law and
Speaker 1: Order SVU, as everyone who lives in New York for
Speaker 1: long enough does, and I was so it was like
Speaker 1: walking into Disneyland, you know that, just having these sets
Speaker 1: that you've watched on TV for so many years, and
Speaker 1: you're walking the first time walking into a sound stage,
Speaker 1: you really are immersed into this entire world, and it's fascinating,
Speaker 1: and it just a TV set ran like such a machine.
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything like I expected, and it was very
Speaker 1: you know, you get any dear thing, you get out
Speaker 1: and you're done, and suddenly you're going, wait, did I
Speaker 1: just do it? What just happened? But that was, again
Speaker 1: a show that had been in existence for fifteen almost
Speaker 1: twenty years at that point, so it's a It was
Speaker 1: very different coming into Shadow Hunters, but that was that
Speaker 1: was quite the system that I bumped into for the
Speaker 1: for the very first time. But dumb, why don't you
Speaker 1: tell your story? Mine was a commercial. It was a
Speaker 1: commercial or an advert depending where you're where you're from.
Speaker 1: In the UK we call it an advert for skincare
Speaker 1: for a skincare company, which I think has been well
Speaker 1: I thought had been scrubbed from the internet, but I
Speaker 1: think since since Luke Baines publicly mentioned that this was
Speaker 1: where I met him at the card I think we were.
Speaker 1: We were seventeen or eighteen when that happened, so I
Speaker 1: won't say how many years ago. That was quite a
Speaker 1: few min years a day and we did, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: did this commercial together and it was sort of a
Speaker 1: fairly well oiled machine, and then also wasn't at all
Speaker 1: or well oiled machine. I was wearing not very many
Speaker 1: clothes at one point, very early in the morning, and
Speaker 1: it was very cold, and I was on a trampoline,
Speaker 1: and it was a whole it was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think he was doing some equally crazy stuff and
Speaker 1: that was my first experience. And I've been friends with
Speaker 1: Luke ever since, which is nice. I was just talking
Speaker 1: to Luke earlier today, so um, that's nice somethings I've
Speaker 1: known Luke for. I honestly, I don't I don't even
Speaker 1: know what the maths is. What's eight what's thirty three
Speaker 1: minus eighteen? Anybody it's tough in it when it's live,
Speaker 1: when the red dot's going and it's live, all of
Speaker 1: that very simple maths just goes out of you ahead
Speaker 1: fifteen years. It's fifteen years, hey, guante years. Sure, approximately,
Speaker 1: it's not a math test. We're not doing math test today.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. We're not putting it from that in
Speaker 1: about thirty seconds comments idiots X amount of years. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: great question, great question, Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Stories.
Speaker 1: It's almost like we got the script and we were prepped.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is something else. This is something
Speaker 1: business for tomorrow. This is another thing that we're doing
Speaker 1: tomorrow later on uh huh shalen. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us to us meeting you guys, you two.
Speaker 1: We really didn't get a bit of a spectrum of
Speaker 1: answers here, which is interesting. I got so rounding is fifteen,
Speaker 1: so I was correct. We got a nineteen and a
Speaker 1: twenty five. But you know, you make it good for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yours our better number, so less dumb. That's not fair.
Speaker 1: There were three of us who weren't good at maths.
Speaker 1: Then Austin so, hey, you're from Chicago. I am suburbs.
Speaker 1: Would you up would Chicago Pencer for me? Because I
Speaker 1: miss it so much. I would love to thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm gone there. Yes, I will tweet you, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so down. So it is such an
Speaker 1: honor to me. Both of you guys are both my heroes.
Speaker 1: And my question it's a bit more of a deep
Speaker 1: one because I started watching Shadow Hunters last year. I
Speaker 1: was going through a really really hard time in my
Speaker 1: life and seeing how Clary and Jason everybody else dealt
Speaker 1: with their traumas was just the most affirming thing to
Speaker 1: me going through mine, because I was like, I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: I have these people who now feel like big brother
Speaker 1: and big sister to me, and they're doing all this
Speaker 1: supernatural stuff and Clary loses her mom and they're brothers.
Speaker 1: They're not brothers. It's all crazy. And so you both
Speaker 1: have helped me so much. You've been such a tremendous
Speaker 1: part of my healing process, and Kat also watching you
Speaker 1: on Arrow and Walker independence you deserve all the awards
Speaker 1: for that. It's such a magical performance. And so my
Speaker 1: question for both of you is how has your characters
Speaker 1: helped you in the tough times and what do you
Speaker 1: draw on to portray that emotion because whatever clearly cries,
Speaker 1: I don't want to cry. So it's just amazing. First
Speaker 1: of all, I'm sorry because I cry a lot in
Speaker 1: the show. There's a lot of cras like every other
Speaker 1: day I was crying. I think also we should say
Speaker 1: just first off, Austin, it's a beautiful We would genuinely
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. But what I think, and I've said
Speaker 1: this before and people will have heard me say this,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to reiterate it to you directly. The
Speaker 1: tough time you're going through and the fact that you
Speaker 1: came out the other side of that, we might have
Speaker 1: helped who might have been in a happy little distraction,
Speaker 1: but we're not responsible for that. You're responsible for that.
Speaker 1: The strength from that came from you. It was inside you.
Speaker 1: It is inside you. It's to everyone listening. That's strength
Speaker 1: to overcome whatever the thing is, or if it's a
Speaker 1: few different things, whatever it is, that if we were
Speaker 1: able to maybe help you access that in some way,
Speaker 1: then that's amazing because we're just doing our job and
Speaker 1: that's connected with you in some way. But it is
Speaker 1: important to note, and I always want to reiterate that
Speaker 1: that strength did come from you. I never forget that
Speaker 1: because you were strong enough to do that. It's true.
Speaker 1: And we've been so lucky on this show and through
Speaker 1: all the fandoms and conventions that we've done, to hear
Speaker 1: so many stories like yours, of these amazing angels out
Speaker 1: there in this fandom that have all gone through such
Speaker 1: astronomical things, and it's it's really humbling to be a
Speaker 1: very small part of these amazing, heroic things that all
Speaker 1: of you have done in your lives. So thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing that with us. But as far as goodness,
Speaker 1: I think one thing I learned from Clary and from
Speaker 1: from a lot of my other characters, but Clary was
Speaker 1: the first one that sort of taught this to me
Speaker 1: is she always she falls on her face a million times,
Speaker 1: she makes a millions intentional and unintentional, a bunch of
Speaker 1: things wrong. But she always picks herself back up. She
Speaker 1: always forgives herself, forgives other able to pick herself back
Speaker 1: up by the bootstraps and move on and learn that
Speaker 1: it's okay that to not be perfect, and it's okay
Speaker 1: to make mistakes as long as you have good intentions
Speaker 1: and are doing your best with the resources and information
Speaker 1: you have. That's that's the biggest thing I learned from Clary.
Speaker 1: But as far as the emotional scenes and dom and
Speaker 1: I've talked about this a lot. We different for every
Speaker 1: person and for me personally, it's different for every scene
Speaker 1: and every day you're on set because it's always depends
Speaker 1: on the mental and emotional place you're coming from. So
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a song, sometimes it's something from my Sometimes
Speaker 1: the scene itself. You can just be so immersed in
Speaker 1: the character relationships that you've built. It just comes from
Speaker 1: the story that you're telling. Um. But I always find
Speaker 1: it fascinating to hear what different people's sources of that
Speaker 1: kind of fatain are but dumb, what about you? I
Speaker 1: think I think I learned a lot of of ways
Speaker 1: not to make decisions through Jason. I think um learning
Speaker 1: that that being solo and a lot of these decision
Speaker 1: making processes is not the way I would like to
Speaker 1: do things. If it is the way you do it,
Speaker 1: then great. But for me, talking things out with a
Speaker 1: group of people and developing that and so that if anything,
Speaker 1: reassured myself that like this is the way I would
Speaker 1: like to I definitely learned that from him, sort of
Speaker 1: by by watching his mistakes and being like, that's right,
Speaker 1: this causes you pain and I don't want that. And
Speaker 1: I think as far as the more emotional stuff goes,
Speaker 1: it depends, like it really does depend because, as Kat said,
Speaker 1: some days you turn up on set and they go, great,
Speaker 1: we need a Hollywood tier, which is a tear from
Speaker 1: one eye, normally the eye closest to camera. We need
Speaker 1: a Hollywood tier. We need it in four seconds go
Speaker 1: and you're like, just not, that's not It just doesn't
Speaker 1: work that way. So sometimes you have to rely on externals,
Speaker 1: whether it's tear stick or a song or something from
Speaker 1: the past, whatever it is. The ideal way of doing
Speaker 1: it is you react to whatever the material is, and
Speaker 1: you react with the other actors with you, and that's
Speaker 1: where this comes in. This is very important that you
Speaker 1: trust and care and that the people around you care
Speaker 1: about you and care about your performance, and that you
Speaker 1: create it together as a group. And that's not just
Speaker 1: the other actors either, that's crew giving you the space
Speaker 1: to find that camera operators Drew and we had him
Speaker 1: on the on the Hey Buddy on the show, very
Speaker 1: clear at making the point of like, we will tell
Speaker 1: you when the camera is on is doing this, So
Speaker 1: save the tears until we're here, because this sort of
Speaker 1: strange anthropological thing happens. You run out of tears. It's
Speaker 1: a weird concept, but like your body will physically run
Speaker 1: out of you almost too dehydrated, your body just won't
Speaker 1: make them anymore. And God, almost every time it's when
Speaker 1: it's here and you're like, I got no more. There's
Speaker 1: no more clips, I got no more bullets in the chamber,
Speaker 1: like there's no tears coming out. So I think the
Speaker 1: key things are to rely on the people around you,
Speaker 1: rely on the material, and and um, yeah, I learned that.
Speaker 1: I've learned that. I learned that I need to rely
Speaker 1: on the people around me in my life as well. Absolutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you both so much for everything. Of course, Austin anytime,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Take care, have a good one. Right,
Speaker 1: this is your mind? Come here, Come here, he's are
Speaker 1: you going to see him? Pop right here? Look at this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's not done it. He's gone around the
Speaker 1: other way. He's got my other shoe. He's got the
Speaker 1: other shoe. Come here. I love good boy, Dan, good boy.
Speaker 1: So Next, we have Anna from the Ukraine. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. In Neura's more excited. Hello are you. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm fine, as you may know in our situation, but
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm great. And also I wanted to say
Speaker 1: thank you so much for everything you're doing for a
Speaker 1: CHAF fan, because, as you may know, in our situation
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, a lot of people can be home, but
Speaker 1: includingly but funny, it reverses a show and when I
Speaker 1: listen to podcast, I just feel like I'm at home
Speaker 1: at least a little a little. Oh that's good. That's
Speaker 1: so very glad to hear that, and we can and
Speaker 1: the rest of our team wishing love and happiness and
Speaker 1: safety to everyone in your situation. You know, I think
Speaker 1: everyone wants this to be over as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: and a peaceful resolution to be found as quickly as possible,
Speaker 1: and for everyone to be you know, back in their
Speaker 1: own bedroom, being able to listen to this under their sheet,
Speaker 1: under their own sheets, you know, doing things. We're wishing
Speaker 1: that for you from the bottom of our hearts. But
Speaker 1: I will say that's that's such a wonderful sentiment, and
Speaker 1: that's something that I love about the Shadow family feel
Speaker 1: like a home, and the community has become a safe
Speaker 1: place and a home for so many people all over
Speaker 1: the world. And I'm constantly in our and fascinated and
Speaker 1: humbled by every single one of you that makes this
Speaker 1: community is so beautiful. So that is a perfect way
Speaker 1: to put it into perspective, my dear. That's your question
Speaker 1: for us today, and my aggression is if you could
Speaker 1: from once in one detail from your character's character's life,
Speaker 1: what would be and what consequences it would cost? Hmm,
Speaker 1: if I could take You're asking if I could take
Speaker 1: something from Jase's life and bring it into my life
Speaker 1: the ruins of thousand So if you could change one detail,
Speaker 1: if you could change one detail of Jason's life, Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I see what consequences would have I mean, poor Jason,
Speaker 1: so many, so many of the details in Jase's life
Speaker 1: I would change, Like, it's almost unfair to just pick
Speaker 1: the one. I think. Well, here's the thing. I think,
Speaker 1: if Jason's father was a more empathetic, genuine well, if
Speaker 1: Jase's if who we thought Jase's father was at the
Speaker 1: beginning was a more empathetic and caring and loving man,
Speaker 1: I guess the person who raised Jase. See, I still
Speaker 1: get confused with who who Jase's and where he came from.
Speaker 1: There are so many different storylines that happened I think
Speaker 1: we're talking about. I'm trying to I would like Valentine
Speaker 1: to have been a nicer guy in general. I think
Speaker 1: he could have been nicer to Jason, could have been
Speaker 1: nice to Clare, he could have been nicer to Jonathan.
Speaker 1: And in reality, what that would have changed is we
Speaker 1: probably didn't really have a show because so much of
Speaker 1: it was based on Valentine being the bad guy. So
Speaker 1: I think we probably didn't have a TV show, so
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have happened. So I guess Jase's pain and
Speaker 1: a lot of other people's pain kind of caused this
Speaker 1: to be a thing. So that's good, you know, silver lining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess that's where we're at. That's my answer. Well,
Speaker 1: that's you know, your Jason's sacrifice is everyone else's enjoyment? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put it that way really, but um hmm. I think
Speaker 1: if I could change wen detail about Clarie's life, I
Speaker 1: would just I would want her to listen a little
Speaker 1: bit more to the people around her to know just
Speaker 1: a little bit more than she does about things, and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe for her not to go against the grains
Speaker 1: so much. But alternatively, it makes me wonder because so
Speaker 1: many things that happened happened because of accidents that she
Speaker 1: had or things that she did that maybe weren't what
Speaker 1: she was told to do, and some of those were
Speaker 1: good things. So you know, I'm not sure that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with your Sometimes changes it's not good, agreed.
Speaker 1: Sometimes yeah, sometimes change is negative. Absolutely, Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: so much, and it was such a pleasure to media.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, sending love all the best.
Speaker 1: All right, Next we have Anya from Germany. Hi there, amazing, Anya, Hi, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good? Thank you for having me
Speaker 1: of course, our pleasure amazing. So, uh, what's your question
Speaker 1: for us today, my dear? Well, why is not like
Speaker 1: really a question, It's more a little mini brand I had, um,
Speaker 1: which was, how come every other shadow hunter that we
Speaker 1: have besides our, one of which has been a shadow
Speaker 1: hunter for maybe a minute, is basically useless at their job?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Umah, Jonathan going down into like the kind
Speaker 1: of dungeon thing and stealing the more to Rril and
Speaker 1: the Elite carriage just going down like immediately, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, point off the show, but really elite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talk about this a yeah. Let me tell you,
Speaker 1: we talk about this all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1: Useless shadow Hunters as a breed are useless, completely useless.
Speaker 1: Let's do like seventeen backflips and throw like a weapon
Speaker 1: that is super useful throughout the rest of the story,
Speaker 1: but we use it one time, or like a ruin
Speaker 1: that got designed and we're like, y, yeah, let's do that. Well,
Speaker 1: let's pour to into Iddriss. Using this ruin that that
Speaker 1: Cats used one time, Claris used one time. Where does
Speaker 1: it get us underwater? Doesn't make any sense. We have
Speaker 1: warlocks everywhere that we're friends with who know how to
Speaker 1: get us to address doesn't make any sense. It's the
Speaker 1: stupidest thing. We make terrible choices all the time, all
Speaker 1: the time. But it made for an interesting show. So
Speaker 1: there's the real balance. Yeah, useless, completely useless. I agree,
Speaker 1: we really did it, really did. I will say the
Speaker 1: senior talking about I think the idea was that it's
Speaker 1: about Jonathan is so powerful that even the elite guards
Speaker 1: just go down Love writing center. But then how can
Speaker 1: we fight him? And it takes a minute. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he was supposed to be so good.
Speaker 1: Do you remember who doubled him? Do you remember who
Speaker 1: doubled him for that? Right? Do little Little Little Love?
Speaker 1: That's our stunt Cornet or Darren maguire. Yea doubled will
Speaker 1: Tutor for that scene. He doubled will Tutor for that
Speaker 1: fight scene. Yeah, because they needed such a such an
Speaker 1: elite kicker that only Darren could do it. Is that
Speaker 1: sun going to say it? I don't know, skilled masterful,
Speaker 1: You wouldn't see it. You probably wouldn't notice because he's
Speaker 1: they edited, edited, edited, edited it, edited it, say edited it?
Speaker 1: Edited it? Yeah, say it, but say it normally. Don't
Speaker 1: say it with you with your teeth. Just try and
Speaker 1: say it like in turn a phrase. Edited it. Oh yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I can see Wow. Um they did it together very well.
Speaker 1: So is it? You probably won't be able to notice.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you won't be able to notice. But go back
Speaker 1: and then and then tweet Kat if you noticed. I
Speaker 1: don't have Twitter anymore for this exact reason. So people
Speaker 1: can't be like, though, does it look like him anymore?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't care. I will say Darren
Speaker 1: looks great as a blonde. I'm just gonna say it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna put it out there, Darren looks great as
Speaker 1: a blonde. Thank you to the person in the chat
Speaker 1: who said I'm an elite kicker. I appreciate that. How
Speaker 1: are you keeping up with the chat? It's there's so
Speaker 1: much of it, it's so quick. Someone said poor rage,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you, page. I really want a
Speaker 1: T shirt that says poor rage, but out of context,
Speaker 1: it probably is not a good idea. On ya, this
Speaker 1: is what it's like being in our life. How does
Speaker 1: it feel welcome? You ask a normal question and we
Speaker 1: answer that sort of somewhat, and then we just transition
Speaker 1: into useless nonsense tangents. Yeah, this is what our producers
Speaker 1: have to put up with, and so you do. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well that's good. That's good to hear. I'm glad that
Speaker 1: this is somewhat the norm for you. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what our producers have to put up with
Speaker 1: and edit. A'mia, thank you so much for being on
Speaker 1: the show today. We really appreciate you joining us and
Speaker 1: for such a wonderful conversation topic. I like your plans.
Speaker 1: Bye hy bye bye, Natalie. Welcome, Oh movies, you can't
Speaker 1: here's it? Hey, welcome. Hi, how are you guys? Fantastic?
Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm good, thank you. And I'm in very
Speaker 1: wet and cold Scotland. So oh no, I'm very similar
Speaker 1: to oh sorry, what are you guys? No, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna ask what your question was for today, and
Speaker 1: so very similar to Austin and your Your guys show
Speaker 1: is like my my comfort show. Um, so I tend
Speaker 1: to get maybe two episodes in the series two and
Speaker 1: I go, I'm depressed. That's what it. So I very
Speaker 1: much find it's a really really comfort and lovely show.
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to ask was everyone tends to
Speaker 1: have a dark or off pieced storyline and if there
Speaker 1: was one that you guys could take from another character
Speaker 1: storyline that you wish it been yours, what would it
Speaker 1: have been? Oh? Wow, it's an interesting one, a storyline
Speaker 1: that I wish I could have had. I mean we
Speaker 1: sort of had this from time to time in little
Speaker 1: moments like Dommy and I did this and he did
Speaker 1: it with Alberto Once. I loved the episode where Magnus
Speaker 1: and Valentine switched, just getting to watch Alan and Harry
Speaker 1: do that and really commit and just get they both
Speaker 1: committed so much and got so much of each other's
Speaker 1: nuances and voice, speech pattern, posture walk. It blew my mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both so uber talented, but I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised it was such a high level of work. But
Speaker 1: that would have been so fun to have been paired
Speaker 1: with someone and had to kind of do that for
Speaker 1: a full episode instead of just in bits and bobs. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we also sort of toyed with it for
Speaker 1: a second right towards we got given each other's powers
Speaker 1: from different elements of that, and I think, I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's another storyline I would have liked Jase
Speaker 1: to go through necessarily, But I think it's always an
Speaker 1: interesting concept to think, how would this person deal with
Speaker 1: the world if your background was entirely different, if you
Speaker 1: were treated differently because of who you were or what
Speaker 1: you were, who would that develop you into as a
Speaker 1: as a character, as a person, as you know, a being.
Speaker 1: Would Jay still be sort of the same, fairly obnoxious,
Speaker 1: you know, broken psychlonic character. Would he be that same
Speaker 1: guy if he was raised as a warlock, if he
Speaker 1: was raised exactly the same same people in his life,
Speaker 1: same treatment, the whole way through, but he was a warlock,
Speaker 1: so his external factors maybe changed. And that's that's always
Speaker 1: sort of an interesting conversation to develop within dialogue is
Speaker 1: U and an interesting sort of anthropological look at these
Speaker 1: characters and who they are and how they develop. Is
Speaker 1: we are products of our environment. Everyone is, everything is
Speaker 1: a product of his environment. We adapt and move and
Speaker 1: grow with our environment. So it would be interesting to
Speaker 1: think within that where these characters could and should and
Speaker 1: maybe would go. Were their situations different. I suppose I
Speaker 1: think we answered your question with a question, and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about that. Yeah, but that's what happens. That's fain.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, podcast, Thank you so much, thank you,
Speaker 1: great question. Thank you Natalie. Hello, just firing them. Yes,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Hi, Jess. If I'm going to
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm actually terrified because I don't normally do Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm like really, okay, Okay, I get it, don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. Kat told me right before that she
Speaker 1: was super nervous about my accent because obviously I'm from
Speaker 1: like Kat, you're like, I think you're American. If you do,
Speaker 1: you're English. But I'm terrified because I stutter a lot
Speaker 1: and because of my accent, I'm growing bright pint. I
Speaker 1: tend to go over my words and it's really am
Speaker 1: Thats fine. I promise you don't worry about it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: really don't worry about it. You sound flawless, You sound perfect, Jesse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So my question was to you guys, if you could
Speaker 1: have one more episode where you both had complete, great
Speaker 1: freedom over it, what would you like to see happen
Speaker 1: in that episode? Oh? I always I thought about this
Speaker 1: to the entire pandemic. I would have loved to see
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters in lockdown, just in lockdown at the institute,
Speaker 1: going well, what how do we? What do we? Ah uh,
Speaker 1: and just so having to do such mundane things, or
Speaker 1: you know, having to try and do any of the
Speaker 1: crazy things that any of us did to stay entertained
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, or even you know, watching them try
Speaker 1: and develop a run an anti you know, COVID run
Speaker 1: or something, because I'm sure they would be experimenting. But yeah,
Speaker 1: after after like the first month, because I think it
Speaker 1: would be the same as same as like human beings,
Speaker 1: like this is gonna blow over. This is fine, it's
Speaker 1: going to blow over. Not a good deal. The month
Speaker 1: two rolls around and you're like a ship. This might
Speaker 1: be about for a while, like this is Then you're
Speaker 1: calling like R and D shadow Hunters R and D, like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna need you to get on on top of this,
Speaker 1: like the shadow Hunters version of Fiser. We're gonna be like, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you to pump out a vaccine for
Speaker 1: this asa because we're we're like, there are two hundred
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters on the best of days, we don't know
Speaker 1: what we're doing, and we're now all crammed in the
Speaker 1: same place like I he's made herself the chef. That's
Speaker 1: not good. That's bad. Let us out, let us out
Speaker 1: right now. That's and then you have you know, like show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have Simon and Magnus who are quarantined in there
Speaker 1: with us, and you know, having to navigate that political atmosphere,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that would be fun. We always
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun. Matt and Alberto and I
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun to have an episode that
Speaker 1: wasn't about us at all. It was just about the
Speaker 1: supporting actors that we had come in the background shadow
Speaker 1: hunters or like or like um, the people like walking
Speaker 1: down the street and you follow like this one guy's
Speaker 1: story who bumped into nobody like shoulder checked nobody and
Speaker 1: spend the rest of his life being like, but I
Speaker 1: know I did, like I felt someone, and it's some
Speaker 1: shadow hunter who fucked up and like walked into someone
Speaker 1: and that like that's his little sub story. Like he's
Speaker 1: in therapy, like, no, I definitely bumped into someone. And
Speaker 1: they're like, you can't have done that. How does this
Speaker 1: relate to your past? And he's like, no, I definitely did.
Speaker 1: I bumped into someone and I felt it and we've
Speaker 1: just ruined that person's life. Yeah. See, it's always be
Speaker 1: interesting like side story. See then I can imagine like
Speaker 1: obviously if they look around check then the shadow hunt
Speaker 1: for a thinking, oh my god, you can see me
Speaker 1: just like obviously Clarie's first one of her first lines,
Speaker 1: and I would be absolutely hysterical. Yeah, I know there's
Speaker 1: another one, a rogue shadow hunter out there that doesn't
Speaker 1: know they're a shadow hunter. Oh boy, Alec just goes
Speaker 1: no no. I think at that point as well, I
Speaker 1: think Jays would bump into another yea no nopep me like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry I did Sorry, I have a nice
Speaker 1: eving and then just me it was a pleasure to
Speaker 1: meet you both. Yes, thank you so much, thank you, Hi,
Speaker 1: thank you take talking to us. Hello, Hi, um so
Speaker 1: um hellove to me, Arena. Lovely to meet you as well.
Speaker 1: And um, I've also wanted to say I didn't even
Speaker 1: know any of you existed up till about a year
Speaker 1: and a half ago, and I saw a shadow of
Speaker 1: Hunters and I picked up quite a few good actors
Speaker 1: to watch what they're gonna do. Oh that's very sweet.
Speaker 1: Thank you. But I even liked your podcast more. It's
Speaker 1: really wow. I really enjoy your guys, and I was
Speaker 1: really impressed what a good host you are, and you
Speaker 1: always when you have guests, you always uh and during
Speaker 1: the show you always pointed out, um, good scenes your
Speaker 1: castmates made, and um you always keep saying like, oh
Speaker 1: they should include that in a there um promo reel. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but you never talk about yourself, and I think you're
Speaker 1: very good actors, so I know it's hard to just
Speaker 1: yourself in your own work. But now that you did
Speaker 1: rewatch and had a little bit time distance from when
Speaker 1: you did the thing, what are the scenes not necessarily
Speaker 1: the scenes that were best for you to make, but
Speaker 1: like the scenes that you look there. Oh that's a
Speaker 1: good acting I'm gonna put this in my resume or
Speaker 1: whatever you do as actors. Yeah. Um, good question, really
Speaker 1: good question, because I think, um, you're right. Normally, the
Speaker 1: question we get asked and the question we answered probably
Speaker 1: the most often is what was your favorite to what
Speaker 1: was the hardest film, to the hardest scene to film, whatever,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Which one do I think
Speaker 1: would be in my real I know one that's in
Speaker 1: my reel because I've I've obviously seen my real. Um
Speaker 1: my agents put it together. Kat, I'm sure you will
Speaker 1: do the same. But what's in it? The scene from
Speaker 1: the end of episode three in season two, Um, Parabatti
Speaker 1: lost alec Is dying and I do the Parabati oath
Speaker 1: to him bringing back that scene is in my reel.
Speaker 1: I know that scenes in my real Um So I
Speaker 1: sort of I cheaped out on the answer there a
Speaker 1: little because I didn't really answer it. I was like
Speaker 1: my team thought that was good, and They've put it
Speaker 1: in my reel, so I'm sort of washing my hands
Speaker 1: and I'm fantastic at that scene and I made sure
Speaker 1: it was real. No, I'm not doing that, um no,
Speaker 1: but I know that that scene is in my real
Speaker 1: And I will say, as far as performing, you do
Speaker 1: have days where you go home and go that felt good,
Speaker 1: that felt really good, and I did I think it
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent that I think it couldn't be
Speaker 1: any better. Absolutely not. But was it up there, you know,
Speaker 1: towards where I want it to be. Yeah. Absolutely. And
Speaker 1: I think part of being a performer or an artist
Speaker 1: really in any form, there's a version of perfections living
Speaker 1: you all times, so you're always sort of striving to
Speaker 1: be a little better and onto the next thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know any artists that would be happy to sort
Speaker 1: of sidestep job to job and placate themselves within their
Speaker 1: own sort of thing. There's always an element of sort
Speaker 1: of challenging nature within that. So I will say I
Speaker 1: was very happy with that. Absolutely, that's that was such
Speaker 1: a beautiful scene. I think I have to I have to.
Speaker 1: I two come to mind, and one is you know
Speaker 1: one that dam and I talked about all the time
Speaker 1: the end of season two when we did the whole
Speaker 1: bit at Lake Lynn with Angel coming in Valentine the
Speaker 1: model of instruments. I just know that again, that was
Speaker 1: one of those days that don talks about that we
Speaker 1: left set completely exhausted, but knowing that we'd given every
Speaker 1: piece of ourselves to it. But the other scene I
Speaker 1: would I would maybe bring up for me and simply
Speaker 1: because I I know, I've I've was really feeling those
Speaker 1: same emotions in that moment, and I don't think you
Speaker 1: can get much more reality captured on camera than This
Speaker 1: was the last scene I did with Luke when he
Speaker 1: was playing Jonathan on the Street of well, the Street
Speaker 1: of Toronto that we actually played for Toronto, where he's
Speaker 1: you know, killing all of the people and then Clary
Speaker 1: kills him at the end of it. That was Luke's
Speaker 1: last scene on the show. And I actually didn't realize
Speaker 1: it until that day in that moment that this was
Speaker 1: his final scene and his final day, because our serious
Speaker 1: finale was so you know, astronomically all over the place,
Speaker 1: and we were dealing with a lot at the time.
Speaker 1: But that scene was so beautiful written and it was
Speaker 1: such a wonderful moment to celebrate, you know, everything that
Speaker 1: we'd built in that character relationship and everything that we'd
Speaker 1: gone through together and making the show. And I will
Speaker 1: never forget because our crew again gave us the space
Speaker 1: and the time to do it in a way that
Speaker 1: was conducive to the emotional state that we were in,
Speaker 1: so that that would be the other one for me,
Speaker 1: and I agree with Kata, that's that's the one. I
Speaker 1: was thinking, like, it's so good because there was like
Speaker 1: you had to do something hard, but there was so
Speaker 1: much compassion in it. I just love how you did
Speaker 1: it there. And it's like I also liked I love
Speaker 1: that scene, but I also write your our presentation yea,
Speaker 1: every time you like totally different person, you can see
Speaker 1: like a devil or like demon in your eyes. Thanks, yeah,
Speaker 1: let him out, Thank you, Arena appreciate it. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. It's so lovely. What a great question. All right,
Speaker 1: and this sorry for everyone asking a thirty second delay,
Speaker 1: but I something went wrong. I touched something on my
Speaker 1: computer that I shouldn't have touched. It stopped recording. I
Speaker 1: had to log off and log back on. If that
Speaker 1: happens again for either of us or any of us.
Speaker 1: That's why that's my run over. Sarah. Okay, Sarah, Sarah,
Speaker 1: how do I say? Name both the works? Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Hi, so nice to meet you both. So
Speaker 1: I'm actually just about to finish up and graduate with
Speaker 1: my bachelor's degree in a few weeks. Um, congratulations, congratulations.
Speaker 1: My question actually is for your or in your careers,
Speaker 1: was there ever a moment or a few moments where
Speaker 1: you had some hesitations, some doubts where you're questioning, like,
Speaker 1: is this really what I want to do? Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the amount of work that you're putting in isn't like
Speaker 1: it's not acquainting to you the results that you want to.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you it, Sarah. I have a good
Speaker 1: example of this right now. So we're on my computer.
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and not accidentally close anything. I'm
Speaker 1: in my So all of the auditions that I've done
Speaker 1: over the last this is probably only six months because
Speaker 1: I have to kind of get rid of them, but
Speaker 1: the last six months I keep them all. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so here's a good answer, right, this is
Speaker 1: just the auditions that I've done over the last six months.
Speaker 1: So on an audition, everyone sort of knows knows. This
Speaker 1: about what we do is similar to a job interview.
Speaker 1: I've done one hundred and thirty five auditions in the
Speaker 1: last six months. Jobs wise, there is stuff going on
Speaker 1: which is great and very exciting, and I'm very lucky.
Speaker 1: But that's the ratio, like one hundred and thirty five,
Speaker 1: or like about one hundred to one, maybe fifty to
Speaker 1: one if you have a really good year. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the ratio. And the first time that happens when
Speaker 1: you first get into this industry and you get fifty
Speaker 1: nos in a row and they don't tell you why.
Speaker 1: They don't tell you that you weren't good enough for
Speaker 1: you were too tall or too small, or you stuttered
Speaker 1: on this word or your accent, and quite right, they
Speaker 1: give you nothing, They tell you nothing. They just say no.
Speaker 1: The answers no, we're going a different way. When you
Speaker 1: hit around that first fifty, your body, your brain tells
Speaker 1: you this might not be right, This might not be
Speaker 1: the right job for me. There's like making and what
Speaker 1: you need is good people around you. You need a
Speaker 1: good bad support family and friends obviously, but a good
Speaker 1: team as well. You need a good team. So my
Speaker 1: agents and my manager my agents here in the UK
Speaker 1: and my manager I've been with for ten fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and they are very honest with me. And if i'd
Speaker 1: send them an audition that shit, they'll tell me it's shit,
Speaker 1: and I'll go back and I'll redo it and I'll
Speaker 1: work on it. So much of what this job is
Speaker 1: doesn't come down to us. It comes down to, like,
Speaker 1: we wanted someone who lives six foot because we hired
Speaker 1: the girl opposite to be five foot ten, So if
Speaker 1: we hired someone who was five ten, they wouldn't look
Speaker 1: right next to each other on camera. But that's after
Speaker 1: your audition has already happened. So that's such a it's
Speaker 1: not a no, it's not a you weren't good enough
Speaker 1: to get this job. It's a technical thing that happened
Speaker 1: later on, you know what I mean. Or like they
Speaker 1: hire someone to play like an example from the show,
Speaker 1: you know, they hire someone to play Alec, they hire Matt.
Speaker 1: They have to cast someone with skin to play Izzy
Speaker 1: because their biological brother and sisters. They have to do that,
Speaker 1: like they have to look like brother and sister on screen.
Speaker 1: So if they'd hired either Emerald or Matt first, whoever
Speaker 1: it was, they have to match those two people together.
Speaker 1: So whoever was in the audition, then they can start
Speaker 1: whittling down and going, Okay, here are the ones. But
Speaker 1: there's definitely times during that where you go, yep, this
Speaker 1: is this is hard. It's hard to be told no
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over and over again. Definitely,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's one of those moments where I
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever questioned whether or not I
Speaker 1: want to do this job and whether or not you know,
Speaker 1: I knew from the moment I stepped on stage the
Speaker 1: first theater show I ever did that I want to
Speaker 1: tell stories for the rest of my life. But there
Speaker 1: are moments where you are in this industry and and
Speaker 1: you sort of go, am I ever going to get
Speaker 1: another job? Am I? Is anyone ever going to see
Speaker 1: that I can do this job again? And that happens
Speaker 1: for most actors that I talked to, including myself. After
Speaker 1: just about every job that you do, you sort of
Speaker 1: just wonder. As every job's coming to a close, you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I hope I work again. If not,
Speaker 1: this has been a really nice time and a great career,
Speaker 1: and thank you all for your time. But that's that's
Speaker 1: just part of it. And Tom's very right. You have
Speaker 1: to surround yourself with good people, and you have to
Speaker 1: remind yourself why you started, you know, and why you
Speaker 1: got into this in the first place, and why what
Speaker 1: sparked that passion initially for doing this job. And for
Speaker 1: me it happened at one point I was I'd been
Speaker 1: doing television just kind of it was the same thing
Speaker 1: over and again. And I read Sidney Lamet's book called
Speaker 1: Making Movies. Sydney that was an incredible director from from
Speaker 1: the earlier days of Hollywood, and just the way that
Speaker 1: he spoke about tell stories and the way that he
Speaker 1: spoke about bringing these things to life and all ways
Speaker 1: that he painted a story. It reminded me why I
Speaker 1: love what I do, and it's it's nice to be
Speaker 1: reminded of those things from time to time. Wow, that
Speaker 1: sounds great. Um, I feel like because I'm graduating, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the end of something beginning of something else.
Speaker 1: So no, it's really great to hear your guys's opinions.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and those are always the most
Speaker 1: exciting times. So wishing you all the best, and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what you do thank you, bye,
Speaker 1: my dear. I have a great evening. And also, um,
Speaker 1: you have one more guest. I don't want to just
Speaker 1: before Hi, Vivian, how are welcome? Before before this, h
Speaker 1: before we start diving into this, I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: moment thing Kat, what is the what is the money
Speaker 1: at the top? What is this? I don't know above
Speaker 1: the chat. Yeah, I've seen it, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what the thing this is. And it's like donations or
Speaker 1: tips or whatever. Don't stop doing that. Start you can
Speaker 1: watch this. You know you've got your tickets already. This
Speaker 1: is this is You don't need to pay any more
Speaker 1: money to do this. You're all part of the same crowd.
Speaker 1: Stop stop donating money into this. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: like if it's if it's like tips, you don't need
Speaker 1: to do that. This is. This is free. We want
Speaker 1: everyone to enjoy it. Like, you don't need to be
Speaker 1: adding more money to this. It's very very sweet of you, guys,
Speaker 1: and we'll make sure it goes to someone who needs
Speaker 1: it and deserves it. In this case, it will help
Speaker 1: will work with moments make sure. But you guys don't
Speaker 1: need to be donating anything to us all to the show.
Speaker 1: We're good. This is for you, This is for free. Okay, sorry, Vivian,
Speaker 1: go ahead, don't worry. Hi guys, Um, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. It's exciting as I actually grew up with
Speaker 1: the books already, so I'm Dum's age right now, and
Speaker 1: I started, I think early twenties around with the books
Speaker 1: and I was so sad that the film didn't have
Speaker 1: a second chance thought of, but I have to admit
Speaker 1: the series was just so lovely. You've done such a
Speaker 1: great job. It's been really incredible. Thank you. Yeah, you're well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my question for you would be if Shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: still does affect your daily life in ways of funny memories,
Speaker 1: emotional memories, funny sayings, maybe lessons learned, and if so,
Speaker 1: in which exact way and how often? Absolutely, I will
Speaker 1: say that, you know, this series and this story, this
Speaker 1: group of people completely changed my life and still continues
Speaker 1: to be a huge part of it every single day,
Speaker 1: you know it. For me, the biggest reason for that
Speaker 1: are the people, whether it's the people that we worked
Speaker 1: with every day, the friendships we made on set with
Speaker 1: our colleagues and our coworkers, and then with the fandom.
Speaker 1: You know it, was such a huge part of our
Speaker 1: lives still to this day. It's why we're doing this
Speaker 1: podcast is because of all of you angels that have
Speaker 1: created this beautiful community and continue not only to support
Speaker 1: us and the story, but to support each other. And
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's why I will always do anything
Speaker 1: for the Shadow fam because you have been so wonderful
Speaker 1: and so beautiful and so loving to each other. And
Speaker 1: there's so few places, especially on the Internet, that that
Speaker 1: sort of community exists anymore. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the fact that that we can keep giving life to
Speaker 1: this is a very beautiful thing. Yeah, it's lovely, agree,
Speaker 1: And it's lovely to be a part of it as well. Absolutely, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I agree, And I will say for my part, the
Speaker 1: people that I'm there obviously can't I do this. And
Speaker 1: Matt and Alberto especially are a huge part of my
Speaker 1: life and will be forever. I hope we'll be for
Speaker 1: forever and ever and ever. And we shared special occasions
Speaker 1: with each other. We I ask Matt and Alberto for advice,
Speaker 1: very different types of advice from each of them, but
Speaker 1: advice and those people are still a huge part of
Speaker 1: my life. I'm seeing Darren next summer or this summer,
Speaker 1: I guess now to do some crazy like Woodland Audio
Speaker 1: and live in the woods for a week, which I
Speaker 1: can't wait. You know, these people, these people a part
Speaker 1: of you and a part of your life, and I
Speaker 1: can't Yeah, I couldn't live without them, for sure, Lovely, lovely,
Speaker 1: But do you also maybe have some funny sayings you
Speaker 1: use in your daily life which come from set maybe
Speaker 1: or something like that, something that you know. Alberto and
Speaker 1: I still do the high five with these Yeah, the
Speaker 1: high five we used to do that was probably super
Speaker 1: loud in the microphone and apologize the high five that
Speaker 1: we did on the show we developed we started doing.
Speaker 1: I commem why why we started doing it, but we
Speaker 1: were doing it in our personal lives between us before
Speaker 1: it ended up in the show, and then it ended
Speaker 1: up in the show somehow. Yeah, and we still do
Speaker 1: that to this day. So there are definitely little sort
Speaker 1: of elements that we had in the show that are
Speaker 1: still in this show for sure. That's great, lovely, absolutely well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today, Vivian, It's
Speaker 1: been so lovely to chat with you. Yeah to you too,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and hey, folks who are watching.
Speaker 1: If anyone has questions that you want us to answer,
Speaker 1: just put them in the chat and we will answer
Speaker 1: a few of those as and we can write. As
Speaker 1: we're wrapping up here. We had so much planned and
Speaker 1: I don't know how we have done of it. This
Speaker 1: is good though we did the this like, we spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time on the bit that we wanted
Speaker 1: to spend time on, which is great, and I think too,
Speaker 1: we can take some of these other bits and put
Speaker 1: them when we can do them. With some of these
Speaker 1: we had some games planned for those of you who
Speaker 1: are watching, and we definitely want to get to some
Speaker 1: of those games, but we cannot. Oh, pocket cookies, how
Speaker 1: can we put a pocket cookies? Oh? Shoot, that's right,
Speaker 1: pocket cookies? I know Alberto stilled as pocket like right
Speaker 1: now it's not cookies. But I will show you right
Speaker 1: now in my pocket I have I have Dand do
Speaker 1: you want to treat pocket dan cookies? There's little what's
Speaker 1: this here? He comes there? You go come and get it.
Speaker 1: Sniff sniff, stif stiff. Oh my goodness, good boy, good boy?
Speaker 1: What okay? Hold on? If you go to any other
Speaker 1: institute in the world, which one would you go to?
Speaker 1: Don interesting. That's sort of yeah, fair enough, But I
Speaker 1: have started something now that's sort of assuming that there
Speaker 1: are like in the world what we're saying. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: you know, Mmmm No, I don't know. Maybe um, maybe
Speaker 1: like Australia, like Sydney, like the Sydney Institute. I bet
Speaker 1: that'd be late. I bet they'd be like so chilled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think Sydney might be the way to go, honestly, Wallace,
Speaker 1: Yeah we met. Oh no, you were at the commit
Speaker 1: I met one of the next time. I did a
Speaker 1: different one, like a year before or after you guys,
Speaker 1: And I also met a cool they're very very slim,
Speaker 1: fun little animals. Um um oh. Someone someone asked, uh,
Speaker 1: books were reading currently? Um? I'm reading a Fitzgerald book
Speaker 1: called Flappers and Philosophers of a lot of his short stories,
Speaker 1: and it's brilliant because they're nice to read on set
Speaker 1: because he can kind of get in and out of
Speaker 1: it pretty quickly. What about you, dum, what are you reading?
Speaker 1: I'm not reading anything I should. Is anyone any recommendations
Speaker 1: I should? I should dive into a book for sure. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really not. I've had a beautiful book recently that
Speaker 1: you might love. Um, it's called the Buried Giant. It's
Speaker 1: by issue ro Okay, it's really it's it's sort of
Speaker 1: half in the same way that The Alchemist is kind
Speaker 1: of half fantasy half human truth. It's it's sort of
Speaker 1: a similar tone, and it's really it's really well written,
Speaker 1: quite like it. Okay, I'll look into that. Let's see.
Speaker 1: Any what emoji do you use the most dumb I
Speaker 1: don't know. Let's see. I think I only really send
Speaker 1: emojis to my girlfriend, and it's like the heart one
Speaker 1: or the heart eyes one. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Um.
Speaker 1: We used to have a thing my girlfriend and I
Speaker 1: used to have a thing when I first started sending
Speaker 1: emojis to her, or sort of when we first send
Speaker 1: my heart emoji and I got it wrong and I
Speaker 1: sent the finger emoji, but then didn't. I didn't I
Speaker 1: hadn't noticed that I'd hit the wrong thing and just
Speaker 1: sent it and then didn't think anything of it. And
Speaker 1: then I think she was sort of a bit propled.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's really rude. Why would you send that
Speaker 1: to me? It doesn't really make sense within the pattern
Speaker 1: of what you've been saying. Um. And then for a while,
Speaker 1: instead of sending the heart, we would just send each
Speaker 1: other the finger instead of like just so we would
Speaker 1: never say it would just be this. So if anyone
Speaker 1: ever overlooks and saw our conversations, like these people really
Speaker 1: don't like each other, but it was quite the opposite. Goodness,
Speaker 1: it turns out we really like each other. He's being
Speaker 1: so good my microphone. Oh good boy, Dan, good boy.
Speaker 1: Oh high stand the cutest nugget leave it. Oh he's
Speaker 1: so cross good boy. Yeah, good boy. He's a sweet dude. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the of the emojis that I use the
Speaker 1: two that I use the most, or like the you know,
Speaker 1: the red heart or the face palm emoji, because there's
Speaker 1: so many times. Yeah, right, hearts and face palms. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, Tom, without further ado, shall we yes?
Speaker 1: Shall we move on? Let's to the after party. Let's
Speaker 1: Is that what correct thing for us to be doing? Producers? Producer, Yeah, producers,
Speaker 1: somebody give us, give us a high sign. Is this
Speaker 1: what we're meant to be doing? Because I think I
Speaker 1: did I or did I not see something from our
Speaker 1: team that said we might oh we can go till
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry great, I just saw that texts of
Speaker 1: a lot of devices going on. Panic Dan, the panic.
Speaker 1: You are such a good boy. Where's your sister? What's
Speaker 1: she doing? They're causing some chaos. Oh, okay, how old
Speaker 1: is Rajah? So? Dan is four? Just just just just
Speaker 1: turned for So Rajah is seven? Rights? Almost? Yeah, Raja's seven,
Speaker 1: I think right at the beginning of season to right
Speaker 1: right right at the beginning of season two. U. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Rajah will be seven. Wow, sweet girl, it's still going strong. Gone.
Speaker 1: What was your question? Well, the question that I have
Speaker 1: next here is have you listened to the soundtrack and
Speaker 1: do you have two favorite songs from it? The soundtrack
Speaker 1: from Charons? Yeah, that makes sense based on the topic
Speaker 1: of this podcast. That makes sense. Yeah, that's what the
Speaker 1: question was. Yeah. Mostly, I don't think I have listened
Speaker 1: to the soundtrack, you know, I think I Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever have. It's possible that I've
Speaker 1: heard a song come up and been like, oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: I like this song and haven't really thought where it was,
Speaker 1: like where it's come from. But um, yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. I don't think I've already
Speaker 1: sat down and listen to it to the soundtrack. I
Speaker 1: do have to two songs from the soundtrack that I
Speaker 1: quite love. Um one is fire Me's Fate by Ruel
Speaker 1: because Ruel did a lot of the songs for the
Speaker 1: show and she's fantastic. But Fireman's Fate is probably one
Speaker 1: of my favorites because it's got that real kind of
Speaker 1: epic like wolf that comes in and it's you know,
Speaker 1: I think someone in the thing just said, Ember, that's
Speaker 1: your song, and it oh yeah, that's my song. That's
Speaker 1: my song that was on the sun. And I was
Speaker 1: going to say, being good with current events and like
Speaker 1: social popularity stuff, Jesus, Like, my favorite grouping of songs
Speaker 1: is from like the Rolling Stones Beatles era from the
Speaker 1: last five years. It's super impressive for me. What was
Speaker 1: your saying? But the other one, the other one that
Speaker 1: I was going to say, was Nightshade, which is Alberto's
Speaker 1: songs on the Oh yeah, Alberto's songs. I really love
Speaker 1: that one. It's very good. It's been on several playlists
Speaker 1: of mine. Very good. What else we got questions wise,
Speaker 1: let's see here, what's time do we have? We got
Speaker 1: like another five minute? We also play a game if
Speaker 1: you want to pay the game. The game. I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's a game that we could play, do we
Speaker 1: do it? Would you rather? Because that's quick and simple? Okay, still,
Speaker 1: would you rather? Let's do it quick and you all
Speaker 1: can answer in the chat as well, because that's you know,
Speaker 1: we want to include you all, right, don would you
Speaker 1: rather be a steely or a vampire? Thousand really never eat,
Speaker 1: flood or drink anything else for the rest of your
Speaker 1: life for the rest of time because no, no no, because
Speaker 1: the rest of time. But that's also not true technically.
Speaker 1: First of all, all of these things are avoidable. Like
Speaker 1: if you if you if death were if you were
Speaker 1: to live your eighty years and decide this is the
Speaker 1: end of whatever, and you just wanted to watch the
Speaker 1: sunrise and that would be the end for you. I
Speaker 1: don't know, would get into sort of problematic talk about
Speaker 1: what that is. But I also think, like you were
Speaker 1: want human, you've become a vampire, and if you wanted
Speaker 1: this is this to be, you know, the the span
Speaker 1: of your life instead of seeing the people you love,
Speaker 1: dyeing whatever, then that choice is sort of their for you. However,
Speaker 1: I think I would also by the way, I will
Speaker 1: say that we've showed Alberto eating food. We showed Alberto
Speaker 1: eating tacos and he just had to put a little
Speaker 1: bit of blood on them. He could get them down.
Speaker 1: You can stand them, so you can still eat food.
Speaker 1: It just has to be with blood, which is kind
Speaker 1: of gross, But I digress. I think Sealy's first of all,
Speaker 1: like I have hay fever, I have seasonal allergies, so
Speaker 1: I think like flowers and my clothes and like always
Speaker 1: being out in the woods would just drive me fucking mental,
Speaker 1: Like my eyes and beg everywhere I go. That honestly
Speaker 1: would drive me. Like sometimes being in the sea Lee Glade,
Speaker 1: the sets would drive me nuts. Imagine the pussy willows everywhere,
Speaker 1: everywhere you will the pussy willows. Yeah, which, if you
Speaker 1: haven't ever go back to the podcast episode whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: season two episode might be, Season two episode eleven, all right,
Speaker 1: seen two episode one, yes, eleven, one of them, whichever
Speaker 1: one it is, go back and find us talking about
Speaker 1: pussy willows, because it's just an absolute nightmare. Vampire you
Speaker 1: get Vampi speed. You get to dress cool, although arguably
Speaker 1: you can dress call a zecilia as well, but like
Speaker 1: they have cool dress sense for sort for sure. You
Speaker 1: just have the sacrifice of being a sun which that
Speaker 1: would kind of suck. I don't know. I'm my gut
Speaker 1: is telling me vampire, so I'm staying with vampire. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: you know you have been a vampire before experience in
Speaker 1: the cent, so you know, so comfort zone for you.
Speaker 1: I guess what about you? I really would say, seriously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's something really interesting and we didn't really
Speaker 1: find out a ton about this in the series. We've
Speaker 1: learned a little bits, but we didn't really get you
Speaker 1: know much, you know, um also political atmosphere constantly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think very mysterious beautiful about them, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to and the fact that they moved through
Speaker 1: space so easily and so much would be very interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree. Oh that's a really good point that they
Speaker 1: all just said. If I bait a shadow hunter a
Speaker 1: shadow hunter, yeah, a very specific type of shadow hunter,
Speaker 1: I will become a daylighter. Will I have to do?
Speaker 1: It's fine? One of Simon? Did it could be yea too.
Speaker 1: Would it exist in the entire universe though it won't
Speaker 1: be too hard to find? Yeah? Yeah, who's the other one?
Speaker 1: Clarie and Jays Clary has it as well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the angelic blood. I don't know that, yep. I mean
Speaker 1: shot sunlight out of my hand and make portals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you have the Golden eyes and stuff. It just
Speaker 1: manifests itself differently. People, no kidding. This is a good one. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a good one. You're ready be friends with
Speaker 1: Clarie or be friends with Jayce? Both? Can't say both.
Speaker 1: I think it's a safer I think okay, I think
Speaker 1: it would be more fun to be friends with Clary,
Speaker 1: But I think it would be safer for your life
Speaker 1: to be friends with Jase. Probably your mental health as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because Clary, I feel like, ends up a lot
Speaker 1: of our friends that up, you know, getting killed or
Speaker 1: turned various creatures. Um, but jas is kind of grumpy
Speaker 1: a lot. Jason's grumpy a lot. Yeah. Wow. It started
Speaker 1: very jay strong in the comments, and now it's gotten
Speaker 1: very mixed. It's gotten very who people who keep writing
Speaker 1: both don't understand how the game works. The game is
Speaker 1: would you rather? You can't say? I can't say both both.
Speaker 1: The answer, by the way, is obviously Jase. Like if
Speaker 1: it we're talking about with a world the story of
Speaker 1: shadow Hunts, these threats exist. Jase is the best soldier
Speaker 1: that has existed. Clary comes in and goes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can take this on. I'll take this on on my own. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no big deal and just gets people murdered all the time.
Speaker 1: Obviously is the right answer? Who said Alex? That's somebody
Speaker 1: in the check So you know what, the real right
Speaker 1: answer to this quickness is Simon, because Simon is to
Speaker 1: anyone ever in the entire city, Simon is a good friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe Alberto honestly, but that's not how the game works.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't understand how it could be clear.
Speaker 1: The title of the game is would you rather? And
Speaker 1: then you get given two answers. You have to pick
Speaker 1: one of those two. It's not who would you be
Speaker 1: friends with in the Shadow Hunters, it's not who would
Speaker 1: you be friends within the world. It's would you rather
Speaker 1: one or two? It's very simple. I don't understand. We
Speaker 1: should move on. What's the next one? Oh, let's do one,
Speaker 1: and then I do put things up and give Alex's turn.
Speaker 1: How about this, h would you rather tell a new
Speaker 1: porter about the shadow World or Triumphant? That's what I
Speaker 1: was just thinking. That's the one I just read and
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I really don't know how to
Speaker 1: answer this. I feel like my instinct is telling me
Speaker 1: one way, but I feel like that's problematic in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, encouraging people to do something they shouldn't do,
Speaker 1: and the other one sort of destroys the lives of
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of people. So I think, I think,
Speaker 1: if I think for me, it would have to be
Speaker 1: in fam like, you'd have to do that to protect
Speaker 1: the people around you. Yeah, try it once, you know,
Speaker 1: do it with the supervision of people around you, and
Speaker 1: then lock yourself away and get yourself like off this train,
Speaker 1: and then know that you've kept the shadow world safe.
Speaker 1: I think that would be that would be the way. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's gone very fifty fifty again become the comments
Speaker 1: that's wild. Now. I would I would actually tell a
Speaker 1: news reporter about the shadow World, because really, out of
Speaker 1: ten they won't believe you, and they'll just go, okay,
Speaker 1: crazy lady, have a nice day, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: again not really the game. It doesn't say, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem tell a news reporter with evidence. It doesn't specify
Speaker 1: you're correct, it doesn't specify, But I think in the
Speaker 1: realm of this game, we're saying, the likelihood is that
Speaker 1: the news reporter is then going to tell the world. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: then then the answer is then tell the world about
Speaker 1: the shadow world or try again. Then that's okay. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that's not that's not what's written on the paper,
Speaker 1: darm that's nothing. Rather, no, it's not. So that's one
Speaker 1: rules the game, according to your rules. The game rules. Fine,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, I'll take heed fair enough. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, Well, folks, this has been so amazing, and
Speaker 1: thank you so much for all of your questions, to
Speaker 1: our guests who came in such a wonderful new life
Speaker 1: to the show, and to all of you and our
Speaker 1: producers for setting this up and helping us to make
Speaker 1: all of us possible as well, supporting us through this
Speaker 1: and being fantastic. Um you're the best, and he'd thank
Speaker 1: you to our producers a propagate, to our radios on
Speaker 1: the air, and to each and every one of you
Speaker 1: for listening and tuning in and continuing this journey with us,
Speaker 1: and hopefully a lot of you are joining us as
Speaker 1: well for the after party. For the after party hosted
Speaker 1: by the one and only or or performed by not
Speaker 1: we're also hosting, but during it's it's all about Alex Kinsey.
Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. It was our brilliant
Speaker 1: and tellented friend and the yeah, the I forget to
Speaker 1: completely always supposed to do. So let's go to you've
Speaker 1: got the papers in front, hold on, say it on
Speaker 1: the most Oh no, oh no, we're supposed to hide
Speaker 1: our cameras and mute. Yeah, and then and then there's
Speaker 1: a mic check and then yeah, now I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Now I'm with you. Thank good. This is what it's
Speaker 1: really like recording the podcast. It's just most of Dom
Speaker 1: and I are just figuring out technically this is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: Like our producers are saints. They're absolute, like popping bottles
Speaker 1: of champagne that this is the last episode for a while,
Speaker 1: so they don't have to be No, I'm kidding. It's
Speaker 1: been a pleasure. Okay. Now we are going to say
Speaker 1: goodbye and then I'm going to do the things that
Speaker 1: I was told to do and then we'll see party.
Speaker 1: Why Yeah, Alex, that's what it is. Welcome back everyone too.
Speaker 1: I was live. We have a new person. Look at
Speaker 1: you pour and I know, but it doesn't have you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing in the can it has the
Speaker 1: little canister in the bottles. It doesn't has something called
Speaker 1: widget and it means you don't have to pour it
Speaker 1: like that. No, but this doesn't do the thing. No,
Speaker 1: the widge it stops you from so you don't need to.
Speaker 1: But whenever you're pouring a point, you pour it that,
Speaker 1: you tilt the glass and you pour it down the
Speaker 1: side of the No, the whole way through. I'm sorry, folks,
Speaker 1: this is no longer the Shadows. This is obviously. Tom
Speaker 1: explains how wrong you have a fifty fifty mix of
Speaker 1: a Guinness there, which is wrong, which is maybe that's
Speaker 1: what he likes. Maybe that's what was my second one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, maybe that helps performance. Hi, everybody, welcome party,
Speaker 1: big round of applause to Kinsey, who, now some of
Speaker 1: you may know, the brilliant and wonderfully talented else Kinsey
Speaker 1: compose our theme tune for Return to the Shadows, So
Speaker 1: thank you. Before I know, it just has a has
Speaker 1: a British that is from a TV show that we
Speaker 1: used to have here, which but let's you guys know what,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I don't know why I brought it up.
Speaker 1: Why what shows it from? It's called Little Britain. It
Speaker 1: was a very popular show. Well yeah, years and years
Speaker 1: and years ago, and then it is now being seen
Speaker 1: as very problematic, which sort of get um to be honest,
Speaker 1: and it kind of makes sense. So there you go,
Speaker 1: by the way. In case anyone is curious why I
Speaker 1: keep looking over here, it's because that's where the chat is.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to think that I'm just fully
Speaker 1: ignoring one very specific spot of something. Stuff slightly to
Speaker 1: the right, beautiful. It's like it might be the parakeets.
Speaker 1: It could be or it could be parakeets. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't know about the earl A parakeets. Oh the La parakeets.
Speaker 1: I thought you specifically had pet parakeets. And I was
Speaker 1: about to get very excited. I don't have pets. That
Speaker 1: means that I would have to have responsibilities. Oh I see.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, how that guinness taste mostly foam for me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no fomo, get out there and teach you. No fomo,
Speaker 1: that's true. No fomo, that's positive, right, little foamy, But
Speaker 1: no fomo, that's I think that's You're going to be
Speaker 1: my next album name. I think actually what was what
Speaker 1: was the one that I loved that I thought was hysterical?
Speaker 1: Slightly better than silence? Yep, that was the thing my
Speaker 1: entire life. Thanks you could listen to silence, this is
Speaker 1: slightly better. I would have learned to say that your
Speaker 1: music is more than slightly better than silence. That's just
Speaker 1: my personality. Kind of you. That is so kind. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So you know right, very hard. You you do very well.
Speaker 1: I mean this was sort of a no brainer for
Speaker 1: us when we were making this podcast and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what the theme tune was going to be
Speaker 1: that we were going to, you know, come to you
Speaker 1: and ask ask for your help. Thank you appreciate that. Guys,
Speaker 1: you are I like theme tune, and I really appreciate this.
Speaker 1: It's very cool. I've seen I was watching you guys
Speaker 1: on the pre after party, which I guess is just
Speaker 1: the party, just the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: realized how I mean, I've always known that the show
Speaker 1: that Shadow Hunters has had a huge effect on tons
Speaker 1: and tons and tons of people, to the point where
Speaker 1: it's affected me as your friend, just because I'm your friend,
Speaker 1: you know, and I love that. It's so cool. I
Speaker 1: get to be a part of such a cool community
Speaker 1: because I just like you guys. But then hearing y'all
Speaker 1: talk about this and reading the chat and seeing how
Speaker 1: much the like just talking about the show and getting
Speaker 1: people back involved in I don't know, it's really cool
Speaker 1: that you guys were able to connect with a brand
Speaker 1: new group of people and the old group of people
Speaker 1: that you've had around for all this time. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you guys have done a really great job. Congratulations on
Speaker 1: the success and also being two beautiful, beautiful people. Oh
Speaker 1: thank you. We just get on microphones and just talk
Speaker 1: at each other. It's definitely nice for radio. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a very podcasting look to him, usting face. In fact,
Speaker 1: I was terrified when they said we're going to start
Speaker 1: using the cameras, and I was like, oh, usual, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's definitely running for you ever right we wow,
Speaker 1: Well we love seen you running all unacceptable guys. All right,
Speaker 1: let's stick to the script, shall we. Fuckers What it
Speaker 1: says in the script that I got to see earlier
Speaker 1: and I got to vitos some stuff. Yeah, good good lord,
Speaker 1: I earlier too, and I got to re un vetos
Speaker 1: some stuff similar to the pre after party. Uh huh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like preafter part. Stop vamping you to stop. Now,
Speaker 1: this is just my job, This is my job. I
Speaker 1: just I just I'm slowly back to what we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be talking about that. Oh I know, Oh, I know,
Speaker 1: just slowly just wheeling him in a little by little
Speaker 1: pre Yeah, you will say it like it's a negative thing.
Speaker 1: I'm boring, would your lives? Yeah, that is true, That
Speaker 1: is very true. I always say this about shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I had all of view. And this
Speaker 1: includes you too, Kinsey, during that time in my life
Speaker 1: because I really needed someone in my life to push
Speaker 1: me a little bit, to try things new and step
Speaker 1: out of my comfort zone and you know, take some
Speaker 1: risks in life. And that was all of you, guys,
Speaker 1: because you created a safe space to take risks and
Speaker 1: have fun and live a little We make cat drink
Speaker 1: to say, did make cat drink drunk? Chas? Look at
Speaker 1: her now? Who knows? Now she well, Um, let's get
Speaker 1: back that we were talking about. Um before anyone says
Speaker 1: anything terrible, why don't you tell us what it was
Speaker 1: like writing the theme tune. I remember, I remember calling you.
Speaker 1: I was in Santa Barbara when I called you yeah
Speaker 1: and said, we've had this idea, Um, would you be
Speaker 1: willing to sit down and maybe write something? You know,
Speaker 1: my friends, of the people that I know who I
Speaker 1: could ask to do this, and arguably arguably of the
Speaker 1: people that I would ask in the world if I
Speaker 1: knew any body, you were on the top of that
Speaker 1: list too, because I've seen what you can do and
Speaker 1: how you can compose, compose and create very good computer
Speaker 1: develop things that are very thematic to what you know
Speaker 1: the sources. So um to me that you were the choice,
Speaker 1: you were graciously accepted, and then tell us what the
Speaker 1: process was after that. Thanks, man, that's really kind. It's
Speaker 1: funny that you say composer because a lot of people have, um,
Speaker 1: not a lot of people, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: that I've worked with have sort of asked, you know,
Speaker 1: are you artist? Are you writer? Are you producer? And
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'm definitely all of those things
Speaker 1: to some degree. But then I realized, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: more of a composer than anything, because like that creation
Speaker 1: of a sound and figuring out what needs to happen
Speaker 1: sonically and to emote, like to get you to emote
Speaker 1: the right feelings and to sort of connect in the
Speaker 1: right way. That's always been the thing that made me
Speaker 1: feel really good, was that part of music making. So
Speaker 1: when you guys asked me to do this, it was
Speaker 1: really Honestly, I've never done anything with such little lyrics,
Speaker 1: and also I never done anything that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very this is a very thematic show.
Speaker 1: It's very very specifically this so if you could kind
Speaker 1: of follow that theme, I don't know that it was
Speaker 1: an interesting ask, but I was really excited to get
Speaker 1: into it, and I don't know, I listened to a
Speaker 1: lot of what was played on the show. I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of honestly, just the type of instruments
Speaker 1: was that. That was a big part of it, is
Speaker 1: finding the right synth sounds and the right bass sounds
Speaker 1: and getting the guitar to sound right because it's a
Speaker 1: very ethereal type vibe, you know. So yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was it was fun to find that and tweak
Speaker 1: it and get the right sounds. And then, honestly, I
Speaker 1: listened to a bunch of podcast themes songs as well
Speaker 1: prior to doing that, and I was like, why do
Speaker 1: we say anything other than return to the shadows? Right?
Speaker 1: And then Kat, you came over, and I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: what we do three takes of return? But yeah, we
Speaker 1: spent a total of thirteen minutes recording it. That's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I don't even think we've spent
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes recording it. I think you spent thirteen minutes
Speaker 1: from getting out of your car to getting back into
Speaker 1: your car. That's true, in your house so quick, which
Speaker 1: was great. Honestly. It made it so easy because then
Speaker 1: we had like a bunch of things to choose from.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to go and tune and edit. No,
Speaker 1: it was great. It was right there. I got to
Speaker 1: pull from it, and you nailed it first try. And
Speaker 1: you did nothing. You just sat back and you came
Speaker 1: up with the idea of having me. You actually you're
Speaker 1: in the cho have known each other without me. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a show without me. You're my friend. This
Speaker 1: is how we connected you it. Yeah, and and now
Speaker 1: I'm so knowledgeable, dude, I know everything about the show.
Speaker 1: It's true. Everything you read all the books, right, and
Speaker 1: just such a I've wanted the last scene of every
Speaker 1: episode like four times. The very last scene, you guys
Speaker 1: are all together for one final moment, and then it
Speaker 1: cuts to black. No, no, wrong, Well, well if he
Speaker 1: means all actually Kinsey, by all, you mean all here,
Speaker 1: like the two of us, right, all I only know here,
Speaker 1: guys say, oh, I don't think of Alberto and what
Speaker 1: I don't even know their other names? Honest, Alberto, the one,
Speaker 1: the other one your friends with Matt. I think involved
Speaker 1: set lots of mats. Yeah, at once was in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah that again, we did it very d We should
Speaker 1: have put that again. Wonderful, wonder very well done. Um.
Speaker 1: But actually so since we're on the theme and on
Speaker 1: all of that, if you guys want, I can show
Speaker 1: you just a quick breakdown of like stuff. Yes, please, yeah, everything.
Speaker 1: He just Alex Kinsey Master's class. This is what we want?
Speaker 1: Is it? Hold on one second while I get it working.
Speaker 1: I took a stab with the tech. We took a
Speaker 1: We took a real stab that the tech was going
Speaker 1: to be on our side. We really really did. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, We're gonna try this and you might get
Speaker 1: a little look behind the curtain, but we're gonna try
Speaker 1: to not let you have a look behind the curtain.
Speaker 1: All right, let's see. Are you guys seeing the screen? Nope, no,
Speaker 1: anyone is anyone on the stream seeing the screen? What
Speaker 1: about the yeah? Hey, well it's hey, look at that.
Speaker 1: It was a quick scroll too far. We're gonna scroll
Speaker 1: back now we're good, so good, I'll I'll just show
Speaker 1: you guys a quick So this is this is what
Speaker 1: a basic production thing looks like, if you guys are
Speaker 1: ever getting into it. I don't know what you're seeing. Cat,
Speaker 1: what are you seeing right now? I'm seeing your screen?
Speaker 1: That is a riverside? Oh you are okay, that's not
Speaker 1: what I clicked. Oh well, that is not at all
Speaker 1: what I clicked. Let's stop that. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: lot of seventeen screens within screens with us. It's we're
Speaker 1: trying something new. Why we decided to do this on
Speaker 1: live not a single person. We all knew this was
Speaker 1: going to happen, Not a single person. When there's much
Speaker 1: more time. Now what now, what are you seeing? It's
Speaker 1: loading loading? Yeah, that's the one, great, great, great great great. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now this is what it's supposed to look like.
Speaker 1: This is a basic sort of logic. This is like
Speaker 1: all the sounds, everything that you're seeing here. All these guys,
Speaker 1: these are all sounds, and uh, I have everything muted
Speaker 1: because I wanted to kind of break it down a
Speaker 1: little bit quickly. I'm going to turn the mic over
Speaker 1: over toward the speaker so you can hear it better.
Speaker 1: But right, I think that I'm pretty sure. I started
Speaker 1: with this sounds, so this is a synth sound. And
Speaker 1: we did like so like when we were talking about
Speaker 1: ethereal and kind of spooky, that's you know, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: about as ethereal and spooky as we can get. And
Speaker 1: then we went with a little bit yeah, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and then with a little bass.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I really did build
Speaker 1: the track sort of from start to finish. So we
Speaker 1: started with less and then as we went we got
Speaker 1: a little bit more. So all fast forward a little
Speaker 1: bit here and you can see that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: now we've got a few more colors happening, a few
Speaker 1: more sounds happening, and this was sort of the next progression,
Speaker 1: the next normal progression for what should happen. So there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a build and the music, you know,
Speaker 1: because there has to be something that builds and starts
Speaker 1: small gets bigger. So the storytelling right, like storytelling exactly,
Speaker 1: it's not even a version of storytelling. It is storytelling
Speaker 1: on um. So here we go. So here's just some
Speaker 1: like percussion that's in the background, and then it starts
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger. So then we're going to fast
Speaker 1: forward a little bit too, like when it all kind
Speaker 1: of picks up here and uh now this is like,
Speaker 1: this is all of it together. This is basically the
Speaker 1: entire track without Cat's vocals, all put into one thing.
Speaker 1: So here's kind of the build up and essentially the apex,
Speaker 1: the crescendo. You might say, that's sort of lean melody
Speaker 1: with these sounds. That's guitar and just like messed up
Speaker 1: and tweaked. And then it gets even bigger here with
Speaker 1: some more drums. Let's see, I think these are some
Speaker 1: drums down here. So we've got all that going. It's
Speaker 1: at it all in. Then let's do let's do the
Speaker 1: best part of it all. Here's what we can do
Speaker 1: is you guys just want to hear Cat first before
Speaker 1: all the sound it sounds. Let's do it. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we did harmonies. I forgot some harmonies I threw a
Speaker 1: low one in there just so we had a nice
Speaker 1: full sound, but then with everything so that you guys
Speaker 1: can kind of hear how it goes. Here's how it
Speaker 1: all sounds together. Not that you haven't already heard that,
Speaker 1: I know, but it is nice to kind of see
Speaker 1: it all come together like that, right, But honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: brilliant minding to see. Yeah, no kidding, Like, there's so
Speaker 1: many elements of that that I without you picking them out.
Speaker 1: I think I'm sure the song is would sort of
Speaker 1: sound empty without like the bassline in it, But until
Speaker 1: you picked it out, I didn't know that was in there.
Speaker 1: And it's fun, dude, as a musician, That's honestly like
Speaker 1: what I do most of the time when I'm listening
Speaker 1: to music, which it kind of makes music tough to
Speaker 1: listen to sometimes because I'm consummate. I'm sure sure you
Speaker 1: guys are watching it's a fucking nightmare watching TV with me,
Speaker 1: like that was a green screen. You're like, how do
Speaker 1: you know when? Why did you just ruin that for me?
Speaker 1: Like point right? Need to know that? Come on, well,
Speaker 1: because you pick out so many elements when you've been
Speaker 1: behind McCurtain, you know how it works. You know how
Speaker 1: the sausage is made, and it's I always know when
Speaker 1: i'm watching a good film because I forget. I didn't
Speaker 1: love that idiom that I didn't like the sausage. How
Speaker 1: the sausage is made like that. Okay, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: I offended. It just weirded me out. How the vegan
Speaker 1: sausage is made. Um, You're welcome, but I've got an issue.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's made. Isn't it an issue
Speaker 1: though that you say that that I mean that that's
Speaker 1: like a phrase how the sausage is made to say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to know about things That sausage gross? Exactly,
Speaker 1: I don't because I don't know how it was made.
Speaker 1: Way to go. I'm very proud. I know how it
Speaker 1: was made, and I generally don't eat it. Um No,
Speaker 1: But I always know when I'm watching a good film
Speaker 1: or good TV show because I forget and I don't analyze,
Speaker 1: Oh what kind of shot was that? I wonder what
Speaker 1: lens that was, or oh this person clearly did this,
Speaker 1: or that wardrobe's interesting, or yeah, you know whatever it
Speaker 1: is exactly, and I think that and it probably happens
Speaker 1: with you guys in acting too, because you guys will
Speaker 1: act in a very specific genre, if not for your
Speaker 1: whole career, at least for a small portion of it
Speaker 1: here and there, and you'll do like roles that seem
Speaker 1: to kind of I don't know you guys specifically, but
Speaker 1: you guys as actors seem to take roles that you know,
Speaker 1: complement each other. Yeah in some cases, and yeah, not
Speaker 1: always of course, but in some but and then in music,
Speaker 1: and it's getting less and less this way, but we're
Speaker 1: all very genre based, and then listening to something outside
Speaker 1: of our genre sometimes makes is like the best way
Speaker 1: to not analyze it. And I'm curious like you guys,
Speaker 1: you know, like watching comedic movies, because the few things
Speaker 1: that I do know about Shadow Hunters, I know that
Speaker 1: it was not like hilarious all the time, No, no,
Speaker 1: very few elements. So did mostly cry. Yeah, I did
Speaker 1: notice a lot of crying and like a lot of
Speaker 1: like very serious whisper talking. It's like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shadow on the voice close to the mic, and you
Speaker 1: gotta talk like this if we're gonna talk like a
Speaker 1: shadow Hunter, damn it, this kind of shu. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty close. Yeah, you go really seriously and you just
Speaker 1: like squint and you just you need like a little
Speaker 1: more intensity, like you've been yelling for a lot of
Speaker 1: your life, you know what I mean. Sure, Like that's
Speaker 1: where a lot of Jas's came from. It came from
Speaker 1: like a guttural like it was the sound in the
Speaker 1: back of his throat. It was like a dangerous like
Speaker 1: he was the front lines for most of his life yelling.
Speaker 1: He was telling people where to be, and that's where
Speaker 1: that came. Oh my gosh, wow, that's why it's switch. Sorry. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: good apologies. Yeah, but I'm here. The first time. The
Speaker 1: first time I heard that voice was in my screen
Speaker 1: test and I'd never heard Dom do an American accent
Speaker 1: before and he flipped into that and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa You had known him as the British darm Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am curious though. I am curious, though, are you Guys?
Speaker 1: Like when you watch a Seth Rogan movie, and it's
Speaker 1: easier than to a movie, like especially a comedy. I
Speaker 1: think it's easier to escape because you're like a lot
Speaker 1: of these comedies are based on what these characters do.
Speaker 1: Like if you're watching a Kevin Hart movie. You know,
Speaker 1: certain yut this like he's going to hit certain points.
Speaker 1: So that's quite interesting to watch because you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily expectant of anything, so I can just sort
Speaker 1: of sit back and relax and know that I'm on
Speaker 1: like a Will Ferrell ride or a Seth rogen right
Speaker 1: or Keevin heart right or whatever. But then, interestingly, when
Speaker 1: one of those people switches it and subverts it and
Speaker 1: does something quite dramatic. I just watched I can't remember
Speaker 1: what it was cool, but Kevin Hart plays a single
Speaker 1: father in it. I god, what was the name of
Speaker 1: that movie? I can't remember, but and it's on the
Speaker 1: way through. But then he has these moments where like
Speaker 1: and I was like bawling my eyes out, and it
Speaker 1: completely took me away from that and I wasn't analyzing
Speaker 1: it at all. It was actually like a shock to
Speaker 1: my system, which was quite I think it's the same
Speaker 1: as you're saying when you're switching genres and then they
Speaker 1: throw something in there that they know is within their realm,
Speaker 1: but you didn't know that sure, like, oh wow, this
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing. Like I'm seeing shades of red
Speaker 1: in a painting that I thought was going to be
Speaker 1: predominantly blue, and it's it's entrancing. That's cool. That's a
Speaker 1: really cool thought that it's someone maybe that isn't doing
Speaker 1: a different genre, but you're just expecting you're not expect, right,
Speaker 1: that's a cool thought. Yeah, it's like when does a
Speaker 1: rap and you're like, oh, that was actually kind of
Speaker 1: sick totally Yeah, similar sort of thing. Anyway, what have
Speaker 1: we got on next? I think we should unless this
Speaker 1: is something that's supposed to happen later on. No, do
Speaker 1: you want to do you want to sing a song
Speaker 1: for us? Dude? Yeah? We would love for you. Yeah. Performance,
Speaker 1: This is why I'm here. That's why we stick around,
Speaker 1: all right, So why we came to the after party,
Speaker 1: that's for sure why I'm here. That's right. Can you
Speaker 1: guys hear this? Yeah? Cool? So I don't know, do
Speaker 1: you guys wanna dom? I know that hot Mess is
Speaker 1: like one of your favorites, but I love that song.
Speaker 1: Should I do hot Mess? But there is also a
Speaker 1: new one that you did mention. It's your call, so
Speaker 1: but you know what, it's up to you. What what
Speaker 1: do you want people to hear? Hot Mess? People have
Speaker 1: heard and people have requested hot mess in the chat.
Speaker 1: But the new one if we want to hear, like,
Speaker 1: is it out yet? The new one is? It's a
Speaker 1: world premiere performance, world premiere, a world premiere public. All right, well,
Speaker 1: why don't we will vamp for a couple of seconds.
Speaker 1: Guys listening? We have two choices. We have hot mess
Speaker 1: and then we have a song called straight No? Is
Speaker 1: it called straight No? It's called the Death of Me,
Speaker 1: which is the most We have a song called the
Speaker 1: Death of Me which has never been heard before. It
Speaker 1: is very intense, but it's a very it's actually a
Speaker 1: very lovely song. Most people are just saying both yea. Again,
Speaker 1: that's not what we were. That's not how the game works.
Speaker 1: This was a would you rather guys? This? He was
Speaker 1: I don't know what what you guys were talking about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the first s? What's the sely like that? XI? No?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that sounds kind of nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the new song is one for sure? You are you
Speaker 1: happy to play the new song? Mmm? I would love to.
Speaker 1: There are some interesting iterations. People type really quickly in
Speaker 1: comments because they want to get what they're saying across
Speaker 1: really quickly, So there's some interesting iterations. Of like there
Speaker 1: were a couple that were just death. I'm assuming that
Speaker 1: meant death of me. We're going to take something drasticum.
Speaker 1: They're like, Alex, get off the stream. We hate you
Speaker 1: no more likely to one of us. They've overheard us
Speaker 1: now and they're done. Yeah, no, okay, Well then okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I'll do death of me. And this
Speaker 1: is not This isn't a sad song. This is honestly,
Speaker 1: I genuinely think that this is my favorite song I've
Speaker 1: ever written, only second to Parakeets, which just recently came
Speaker 1: out last year. Definitely go and check out Parakeets, by
Speaker 1: the way, it's beautiful. Thanks buddy. Yeah, I really love
Speaker 1: that song, But this is kind of I don't know.
Speaker 1: This song is very special to me. It means a lot,
Speaker 1: and I hope that you guys like it. You commit
Speaker 1: deep with your eyes when we speak about nothing in particular.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, killing me quick with a look that you give.
Speaker 1: I'm calling it quits at the end the party. You
Speaker 1: who got me on my knees. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: any God, but I can keep you in my prayers tonight.
Speaker 1: You who everything I need, who needs help when I
Speaker 1: got it every time I got your hand in mind. God,
Speaker 1: this feeling about you, who they being without you would
Speaker 1: be the death of me. God, this feeling about you,
Speaker 1: who they being without you would be the death of me?
Speaker 1: And I over my got this feeling about you, the
Speaker 1: being without you be the death of me. You give
Speaker 1: me high on your analysts supply of the Subchius got
Speaker 1: touched my skin, and I'm you who got me on
Speaker 1: my knees. I don't believe in any God, but I
Speaker 1: can keep you in my prayst tonight. You boooo everything
Speaker 1: I need? Who needs heaving? When I got it every
Speaker 1: time I got your hand in mind, got this feeling
Speaker 1: about you, they being without you be the death of me.
Speaker 1: Got this feeling about you, the being without you will
Speaker 1: be the death for me, and I over my head,
Speaker 1: my head, got this feeling about you, that being methought
Speaker 1: you would be the death of me. Something along those lines. WHOA,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Alex, that was beautiful, unbelievable. I'm glad
Speaker 1: we went with me too. I really like that song.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's a really beautiful song. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I just I just think you're great, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's great. There's there's something amazing about seeing your friend
Speaker 1: and somebody really care about doing something amazing and doing
Speaker 1: what they love, and it's it's just well, that's how
Speaker 1: I feel about you guys. Honestly. I get to watch
Speaker 1: you guys do what you love anytime I want on
Speaker 1: Netflix currently, So yeah, yeah, yeah, Kat, You're also on
Speaker 1: CW right, yes, yea yeah, Walker Independence. We just finished
Speaker 1: our first season, just finished airing, soiting, exciting. It's by
Speaker 1: the way, no idea. We can talk about this later
Speaker 1: before it's just about to give away so much industry
Speaker 1: ship and I'm like, wait, no, no, no no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no, we should
Speaker 1: do we can't cut things out. Is I don't know
Speaker 1: any information. I don't know anything new, genuinely, it sounds
Speaker 1: like I'm backtracking now, which I am a little but
Speaker 1: an information. It's more just like we know how the
Speaker 1: industry has worked this year, and we have sort of assumptions.
Speaker 1: We have assumptions based on how the industry has been
Speaker 1: flowing this year. Predictions are assumptions, predictions, fictions, predictions and assumptions. Indeed,
Speaker 1: now I have a question for you because we get Tom,
Speaker 1: I've asked so enough questions tonight, I'm gonna do you
Speaker 1: really bother that she was asking you one more question?
Speaker 1: My god, Oh dam I have like twenty thousand more
Speaker 1: questions for you. So just you, just you and my
Speaker 1: mom and Decay can get together and try and figure
Speaker 1: me out out. I would love to get together with
Speaker 1: your mom anytime. I think she's brilliant. I love getting
Speaker 1: together with your mom. I'm gonna punch you in your mouth.
Speaker 1: She said a nice thing, and you made it such
Speaker 1: a horrible brotherly thing to say. Anyway, Kinsey, do you
Speaker 1: have any advice because Tom and I get asked all
Speaker 1: the time for advice for people coming into the industry,
Speaker 1: and but from your perspective, do you have any advice
Speaker 1: for anyone listening who wants to pursue music as a
Speaker 1: career or songwriting or composing or anything of the like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I think that this is going to probably
Speaker 1: be not the most uplifting thing that you've heard initially,
Speaker 1: but be prepared to, like not always be stoked. And
Speaker 1: then every once in a while you get something incredible
Speaker 1: that happens and it makes up for all that, and
Speaker 1: that's really what you live for. But like people I
Speaker 1: think moved to LA and get into acting and getting
Speaker 1: to singing and songwriting and all that stuff, expecting it
Speaker 1: to just be like the most fun thing all the time.
Speaker 1: And let me be the first person to tell you
Speaker 1: that it can be. It can be the most fun
Speaker 1: thing all of the time. But sometimes it just isn't.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it is a job. Sometimes it's something that like hurts,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's something that is incredibly elating, and it's
Speaker 1: just like this insane, beautiful moment, and sometimes it's this awful,
Speaker 1: terrible moment, and you just have to be okay with
Speaker 1: those without going like I think I'm done, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's that's my most that's my actual, like real life.
Speaker 1: If I meet you on the street and I'm not
Speaker 1: on camera, advice this next bit, I'm not laughing you, sorry.
Speaker 1: I just read one of the comments then it made
Speaker 1: mean chuckle. It says it says Alex is funnier than Dominum.
Speaker 1: Doesn't like it. Kelly Kaylin kaylin ka kay I think Kaylyn,
Speaker 1: I got through twenty buckets after this. Don't you worry yet?
Speaker 1: That actually is my mom. That's actually my mom who
Speaker 1: posted that she was watching saying a thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's I'm she knows what's but so then my
Speaker 1: other good advice. I think that this is like happy advice,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to let end it on a
Speaker 1: sad note after a song called Death of Me. I
Speaker 1: want to also say that as long as you do
Speaker 1: the thing in your craft that makes you the happiest,
Speaker 1: as long as you're constantly creating because you have to,
Speaker 1: because you love it, because there's no other option for you,
Speaker 1: because the only way to express the things that are
Speaker 1: destroying your insides is to get them out of you,
Speaker 1: then you're on the right path. Do that every time always.
Speaker 1: That's my happy advice is stick to your gut, stick
Speaker 1: with your heart, and make whatever it is that you
Speaker 1: need to create to get it out. Yeah. That's agree
Speaker 1: very much, say absolutely. I second that wholeheartedly. Yeah, well, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: should we play one more game before we go? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to play anything play a game with us,
Speaker 1: So I I love this game and I thought this
Speaker 1: was a great idea. We sort of have died this
Speaker 1: on the show one day, and I think it would
Speaker 1: be fun to continue. So you're familiar with the concept
Speaker 1: of parabetide. There are two brothers in arms who are
Speaker 1: bonded together on a on an emotional, physical, metaphysical level,
Speaker 1: who go forth and kind of amplify each other's powers. Um,
Speaker 1: you've got a couple of examples immediately after. By the way,
Speaker 1: I really am very appreciative. You didn't get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go right. She knew, she goes. You are familiar
Speaker 1: with parabetites obviously this Yeah, yes, of course. So Batman
Speaker 1: and Robin is an example. Or you know betaf Like
Speaker 1: and Matt Damon would be another example. Or you know
Speaker 1: two people at Mario and Luigi, Shrek and Donkey. All
Speaker 1: these examples of folks that work really well. That's so unfair.
Speaker 1: This is a cheat sheet capes on the chee. I
Speaker 1: didn't I have it too. Sorry I didn't list all
Speaker 1: of them. I left a coup there's two more is
Speaker 1: one I don't agree with. Okay, but you're smart enough
Speaker 1: you can come up with your own I believe in you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm doing the best. Someone said dom and Alberto,
Speaker 1: and that's really cute. There you go. See. I would
Speaker 1: say I would say I should read the books. I
Speaker 1: should read you know Gus, Gus and Jacques, the two
Speaker 1: little mice from Cinderella the animated movie. They get along
Speaker 1: and they work well together and amplified and empowers world.
Speaker 1: In no world would I have picked that. So they
Speaker 1: have to amplify each other. I like about you. You
Speaker 1: have to make each other better. You have to explore
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, wait, what's the game? I'm thinking about things.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the rules are yet, ye,
Speaker 1: any things in the real world, or like two fancasty characters,
Speaker 1: or like peanut butter banana, perfect example, peanut butter and
Speaker 1: jelly is a good one. Peanut butter and banana. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I agree. Well, then I think that
Speaker 1: I'm going to go. Now, Abby and Katie has come
Speaker 1: up a lot, and what does that mean? No, this
Speaker 1: is this is Walker independence so my character, and there's
Speaker 1: a there's a woman on the show who's Kate, and
Speaker 1: their their partners in crime, and you know it. Yeah, Laura,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for putting Abby Walker and Kate
Speaker 1: just after I said that, too fucking late, already made
Speaker 1: a fool of myself. It's too late, already happened. It
Speaker 1: was also I appreciate Dom and Dan has come up
Speaker 1: a lot which is very sweet. Yeah, that's Simon. Pumba
Speaker 1: is a great one. Such a good one, Simon and
Speaker 1: Raphael pretty good. Yeah, put nutella and banana. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you stella? Did you see me say new teller?
Speaker 1: Have you? And I had this teller? Like an American?
Speaker 1: Did you say? Yeah? I said nutella? Yeah, like an American?
Speaker 1: They say metella? Who tell everyone else Americans say tella?
Speaker 1: I say ntella? Never? Never, one time in my entire
Speaker 1: life have I made a U and O this is
Speaker 1: why we never I've never done that that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. And I'll tell you for why. Because
Speaker 1: it's a nut based spread. Ah, that makes a good explanation.
Speaker 1: It's not a new face bread photo. And Sam Stephen
Speaker 1: Lucky is a great one. Stephen Bucky is a good one.
Speaker 1: That one actually, Oh, Steve Rogers and Bucky Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was that one? Did you get? Ben? And Ella? I
Speaker 1: liked and Ella like? Nutella's pretty good? And and Deck
Speaker 1: we've got some British guys in here, and and Deck
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Yeah, you guys won't know what that is.
Speaker 1: But their talk show hosts over here that have been
Speaker 1: doing it since. I was like, they be like the
Speaker 1: two Han and Chewy sort of, Han and Cheese is
Speaker 1: the game one that's from the chat. That's not me
Speaker 1: pretty much. Notice Sonia and Harriet, thanks for saying that.
Speaker 1: That's a Maze Runner thing. That's me and Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know, Natalie Emmanuel. Our characters were
Speaker 1: like together in the maze and we were the only survivors.
Speaker 1: And it's a that's yes. I like Kermit and Fozzy.
Speaker 1: That one makes me feel. I like people get and
Speaker 1: they write the first one and then and and then nothing. Listen,
Speaker 1: shit fuck Um. I like Ben and Jerry, by the way,
Speaker 1: that's I second Ben and Jerry. Tom and Jerry's pretty
Speaker 1: good as well, tom Ry. What about Judy and Bird
Speaker 1: Cat and puns Judy and Bird You guys don't watch
Speaker 1: Judge Judy. Oh no, Merlin and Arthur. That's a good one. Wood, Buzz,
Speaker 1: Wood and Buzz. They are Dan and Raja. Okay, I
Speaker 1: have to call it quits on Dan and Raja. They
Speaker 1: are not parabatized. I've just learned what a parabatize and
Speaker 1: Dan and Raja are not that this puzz Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they move. I'm so sure they move. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone can hear me because the microphones
Speaker 1: too far away. But I'm so sure they move. I
Speaker 1: knew that at least Pinky and Brain. Romeo and Juliet.
Speaker 1: Someone just put Romeo and Juliet. Now we're just listing
Speaker 1: pairs of people. Let me tell you about a question.
Speaker 1: But see, they can't they catch romantically? Yes, I have
Speaker 1: Can it be three people? No? Yeah, I don't think yes.
Speaker 1: Why I don't think it's just the rules. Well, because
Speaker 1: he's making the rules the clave, and they're very just
Speaker 1: said Mason Pollard, which is my character in a race.
Speaker 1: But then with no one man just and Scooby such
Speaker 1: a good one. Um. Yeah, and they also can't be
Speaker 1: romantically involved, because that's good. Well. But also, if we
Speaker 1: want to talk about people who make each other stronger,
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliet, let's talk about Romeo and Juliet for
Speaker 1: a second. Romeo and Juliet was Jeff Murphy in itself.
Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Um. Romeo and Juliet is heralded as
Speaker 1: maybe one of the greatest love stories of all time.
Speaker 1: The truth is Romeo and Juliet is about two underage
Speaker 1: people three days and caused the death of six people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Romeo and ju Yeah they did emply to the powers.
Speaker 1: I like C three PO and R time anyone. I
Speaker 1: can't pay attention. It's so crazy one I just my
Speaker 1: brain goes, I'm gonna buy you. I'm gonna buy you
Speaker 1: the four works, the complete works. Fine, the folio that
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it to you with a Floridian
Speaker 1: translation as well. Oh okay, now we're talking. And then
Speaker 1: the gator came on out of the swamp and stared
Speaker 1: himself in the heart right at the very even So
Speaker 1: did you know this is interesting? You know? So there
Speaker 1: would be no then this happened. Then whatever Shakespeare won't
Speaker 1: won't Shakespeare? Shakespeare wo Shakespeare every time Shakespeare. Shakespeare wrote
Speaker 1: direction in all of his place ever one stage direction.
Speaker 1: Everything else is dialogue. And what was it? Do you
Speaker 1: want to know? It's mental? Do you want to know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what it is, and it is mentally. Go on,
Speaker 1: I'll be very impressed if you get it. Isn't it
Speaker 1: excits pursued by bear. It's excellent pursued by bear. But
Speaker 1: so close? Yes, correct, it's excellent. You could have given
Speaker 1: her that. No, like like you could have given her that. No,
Speaker 1: dam doesn't give me anything that's true, anything for any
Speaker 1: of us. Do you just call me John's been ten years,
Speaker 1: we've been friends, John. I said it like I said, John,
Speaker 1: like tube that John letters, that's so fast. Just wrong,
Speaker 1: that's just fully wrong. We got on this show for
Speaker 1: Alex and Alana. That's all. That's very sweet together. Christian
Speaker 1: and Rose from Vampire Academy. I don't know what movie
Speaker 1: you watched. I don't think so. I disagree fervently. Christian
Speaker 1: and Lissa. I get that. Christian and Rose probably not
Speaker 1: so much. Somebody said Christian and Fire, which I thought
Speaker 1: was My fashion has been to quote Hamlet, Act three,
Speaker 1: scene three, line eighty seven. No, I'm gonna start texting people.
Speaker 1: That's pretty that's really fun. It's pretty good. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, for sure. Well, folks, this has been so fun.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else we want to do? This this
Speaker 1: has been Is there anything else we'd like to do
Speaker 1: or discuss, or talk about or say before we wrap
Speaker 1: up the seve I think we should say thank you.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think collectively we should say
Speaker 1: thank you to each other. We've been on this journey together.
Speaker 1: Thank you Kinsey a love Cap, my co host, my
Speaker 1: co producer, to our fellow producers, thank you for being
Speaker 1: with us on this. Like we said, we've been doing
Speaker 1: this for almost, if not just over a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's been a real pleasure. It's been a real
Speaker 1: pleasure to revisit something that was such a defining moment
Speaker 1: in my life, and it has been a real pleasure
Speaker 1: to share that with so many people who care about
Speaker 1: it as well. So thank you to all of you,
Speaker 1: and thank you to a moment. Thank you too, my
Speaker 1: heart to Propagate, to everyone who made this possible, and
Speaker 1: all of you for joining us. It's it's been such
Speaker 1: a lovely journey and we so appreciate love and the questions,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're gonna keep doing it if you'll have us.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here. Okay, Can I propose
Speaker 1: something I would love to do? You can't propose. You
Speaker 1: can't propose over zoom. No, you can't propose over zoom.
Speaker 1: I tried it with Nell. It's not how it happens.
Speaker 1: I keep posting. Yeah, it's like I'm on like time twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like texted. She was like, nah, I texted I
Speaker 1: wanted to just the ring emoji and a question marks.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, no, but I would I would like
Speaker 1: to suggest. Yeah, I'd like to suggest something. If you
Speaker 1: two are open to it, please, I think it would
Speaker 1: be fun one of these days for us to pick
Speaker 1: an episode or a compilation of best up clips of
Speaker 1: a few episodes and bring you kinsey on to watch
Speaker 1: it and do a someone who's not involved and hasn't
Speaker 1: seen every episode doesn't one hundred percent of the world commentary,
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I have a secondary proposal, not proposal, because
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to do that's a secondary suggestion. Why don't
Speaker 1: we also do the bloopers? Yes, that's how you get
Speaker 1: to figure out like real like in my opinion, that's
Speaker 1: always how you figure out like that person, like that
Speaker 1: person's good fun or like oh that person had a
Speaker 1: real tough day, or what you can really see, like
Speaker 1: you know, like you want it seem like you want
Speaker 1: to expose somebody, like like I'm in them so much
Speaker 1: from being like anymore who you don't like and it's me,
Speaker 1: like I'm always the one who's like breaking. Are there
Speaker 1: any sprinting? No? They cut all of those out. They
Speaker 1: actually took the reels and burnt them because of you.
Speaker 1: Thank God. Yeah, thank greates come out at some point,
Speaker 1: but not today. We've got nothing to leave. Something out
Speaker 1: there that's something to the imagination that said deathbed confession
Speaker 1: is like I have an SD card. It's buried six
Speaker 1: feet in the yard behind stepping stone number four. It's
Speaker 1: dom running. It's just slow mos of zoomed in Donmouth, Wally.
Speaker 1: That is the death of you right there. It's titled
Speaker 1: the Death of don Yeah. Oh man, gentlemen, this has
Speaker 1: been so wonderful. Thank you so much for making my
Speaker 1: evening just light up. Thank you guys. And it's only
Speaker 1: like three o'clock. This is great. We will reconvene fairly soon.
Speaker 1: I have to make a phone call after this and
Speaker 1: then we should. You know what I'm saying. I do,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that anyone else does. Dames. Video games.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping everyone got it was either video games or
Speaker 1: going We're gonna go milk our cows wrong, just incorrectly.
Speaker 1: We just got to guess all of the new it's
Speaker 1: we're new to new to moving to move as you
Speaker 1: milked so funny I'm into it now. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to play a cow. No. Well, if they were speaking English,
Speaker 1: you'd probably be a little more inclined, wouldn't you maybe,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. If I can be then it's
Speaker 1: very true. Greg, can you milk? He's like, yeah, cats
Speaker 1: of the things that have milked me. Yeah. Yeah. All right,
Speaker 1: it's enough. We're gonna go the podcast. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everything. Have a good evening.
Speaker 1: Return to the Shadows is hosted and an executive produced
Speaker 1: by Me, Katherine McNamara, and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer
Speaker 1: is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia.
Speaker 1: Our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermillia, and our
Speaker 1: intern is Sam Katz. Original music by Alex Kinsey and
Speaker 1: performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara.