1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: What is up Straight fire fighting? 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 3: It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Foyer for Friday, May the thirtieth. 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: Folks feel the excitement. The New York Knicks force a 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: game six. 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: Ah. The Nicks show up big time at home at 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: the Garden, wire to wire win over the Pacers. Although 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: it was one of those you could tell early Pacers 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: didn't really have it, didn't look locked in. They were like, hey, 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: can we go just go back and win this a 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: game six at home? We'll talk about that shortly. Also, 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: new guest on the pod, Tyler Dragon, covers the NFL 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: for USA Today. We talk about the off season weirdly, 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: some interesting quarterback takes from Tyler Dragon. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: I'll just leave it at that. 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: We'll get to that, but I've got to start talking 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: about my Knicks and listen. I was amped for this, 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 3: not only because I'm hosting the herd to and oh 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: by the way all of next week and I. 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: Need some content. I need some good stuff to talk about. 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: Pacers win ends it and it would have been disappointing. 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: So the Knicks win now. 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: Game six set for Saturday in Indianapolis. Have not seen 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: a line. I would assume the Pacers are gonna be 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 3: small favorites. Listen, Indiana came out pretty lethargic and I've 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: got some staggering numbers for you. So they're starters for 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: the entire game. 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: Scored thirty five points. That's it. They were not locked 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: in early. 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: Remember Game four first quarter, the Pacers scored forty three 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: points in the first half. Last night they had forty 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: five points. So the Knicks actually played defense. It was 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: a combination of things. The Knicks were locked in defensively, 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: no doubt about that, for the first time all series. 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: They won the turnover battle first time. And number two, 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: the Pacers just they I don't want to say we're 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: going through the motions, but they weren't as dialed in 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: as you'd expect a team that could possibly close it 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: out and get some rest. Aaron Smith, the hero of 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: Game one, who had eight of nine threes, shocker, he 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: only played sixteen minutes, one of eight from the field. 42 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: It looked like essentially he was bench for poor defense 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: and inability to shoot. Miles Turner again, some silly fouls 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: limited to twenty four minutes, but the real story of 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: the Pacers was Haliburton. What the helly Terrese Haliburton coming 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: off the first thirty fifteen to ten game in NBA 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: playoff history with zero turnovers, right, he followed that up 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: with an eight six to two game. Yes, eight points, 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: six assists, two rebounds. I mean he didn't make a 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 3: shot for the first quarter and a third quarter and 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: a half. 52 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. 53 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: It just looked like one of those weird performances from 54 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 3: the Pacers. The good news, though, if you are in 55 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 3: Indiana fan looking forward, Ben Matherin had another really good game, 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: twenty three points in twenty five minutes. Two straight games 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 3: he's top twenty points. 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: This dude is a bucket getter. 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: And I'm just telling you the Pacers bench going home 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: is gonna have some added confidence. Obi Toppin was okay, 61 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: just couldn't make any threes. I don't know, man, I'm 62 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: nervous undeniably about the Knicks going to Indian Game six. However, 63 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: I mentioned the Pacer starter scored thirty five points. Jalen 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: Brunson himself had thirty two. He clearly heard Halliburton's better. 65 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: Halliburton had the greatest game ever in playoff history for 66 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: a point, card and Jalen Brunson came out thirty two 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: points in thirty four minutes, twelve of eighteen, shooting a 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: clean thirty two, five and five in total control, banging 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: the three. It was an outstanding game from Jalen Brunson. 70 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: He carried and the Knicks advance to a game six. 71 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: That's all it is. 72 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 3: Survive in advance, get get to another game. You never 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: know what can happen right now. Last year, if you 74 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: guys remember, Nicks led the Pacers three to two, went 75 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: to Indye, lost, came back home and then the injuries 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: happened and it got ugly. Anything can happen. It is 77 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: the postseason. And Karl Anthony Town's knee looked fine. He 78 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: was a monster despite some goofy fouls. Goodness, Karl Anthony Towns, 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: clean it up, my guy, even Stan van Gundy. There 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: was a hilarious moment end of the third quarter. Essentially 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: the final five minutes of the quarter. Towns was bench 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: because he had four fouls, so like, we can't risk 83 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: getting the fifth. They put him on the bench, and 84 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: then there was like one second left after a travel 85 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: by Matherin and Thibodeau was like ooh oh, let's let's 86 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: try to get Karl Anthony Towns to three or so 87 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: whatever he was dialing up, and stan Van Gunny's like, ooh, 88 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: this is I wouldn't put Towns back in. He does 89 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: some crazy things out there. He might pick up, he 90 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: might set an illegal screen. I could not stop laughing. 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: I'll say this, stan Van Gundy has been tremendous in 92 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: the postseason, whether it was NCAA tournament or these NBA games. 93 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: I really like the cut of his jib. I think 94 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: he's a great announcer and I'm looking forward now. The 95 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: problem is, Saturday night is a a busy night in 96 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: the first weekend of June. You've got a lot of 97 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: high school starting to let out. You got high school 98 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 3: people are just busy, and this is a tough time. 99 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you guys. It's gonna 100 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: be difficult for me to watch the entire game. I 101 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: am I It's gonna be to I'll be Unfortunately, I 102 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: have my phone charge and I'll be ready to go. Also, 103 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: this weekend Dodgers Yankees, I am lucky enough that I've 104 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: been able to finagle some tickets, so I'm gonna be 105 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: going to one of those games. It's a huge sports 106 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: weekend ahead. I'm fired up. But without further ado, let's 107 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: get to our guest USA Today NFL writer Tyler Dragon. 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 109 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 110 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows 112 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 113 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want. 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't, he knows the guy who does. 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 4: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the 116 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: guy who knows another guy. 117 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire a new face. 118 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: You know how we do up in here. We try 119 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: to get some new guys on the rise. Let's welcome 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: in Tyler Dragon. USA Today covers the NFL. You know, Tyler, 121 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: First of all, welcome to straight Fire. Great to have you. 122 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: But like it started to be a downtime in the NBA, 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: the playoffs winding down, the finals, that's all this left, 124 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: and then. 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: We turned our attention back to football. 126 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: And it's weird because I'm looking at like the quarterback 127 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: battles in OTA's in a round. There just aren't many 128 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: right now right other than Cleveland, maybe Indy, New Orleans. 129 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: Nothing real sexy out there right. 130 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 4: Well, Indianapolis for sure has a quarterback competition. You would 131 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: think Anthony Richardson should win that job. If he's the 132 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: quarterback who he thinks he is and whoever, I mean, 133 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: first round draft pick, he should win that job. But yeah, 134 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: in Cleveland, it's going to be interesting because a lot 135 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: of people think maybe it's Joe Flacco, the whole wiley 136 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 4: veteran gonna win the job. Cany Pickett, maybe a reclamation 137 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: project he learned under the wings in Philadelphia, or Shador 138 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: Sanders or Dylan Gabriel. And to me, if I'm the 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns GM head coach, I'm giving Shador Sanders every 140 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: reason to start. To me, he was the second best 141 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: quarterback in this year's NFL draft. I talked to a 142 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: lot of people around the NFL, a lot of sources, 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: and they were telling me that there were multiple reasons 144 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 4: why Chador fell down in the draft, and probably the 145 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: last in that list was his talent. So overall, I 146 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: do think he's probably the best quarterback. 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: In that room. 148 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: And that's not saying much because it's not a vaunted 149 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: quarterback competition in Cleveland at all. So yeah, I think 150 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: those are the two teams up the biggest quarterback competitions 151 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 4: heading into OTA's in mini camp. 152 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: So that's weird. 153 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: So I was all about Shador ahead of the draft. 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: I was like, you gotta take him, uh in the 155 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: top five. I would have taken him second. And then 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: he plummets to the fifth route and you're like, whoa. 157 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: There have to be red flags we don't know about. 158 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: Nothing has totally emerged. 159 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: But here's my thing. 160 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: If all these people you talk to love him and 161 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: think he's so talented, like, why wouldn't they draft him earlier? 162 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: Like even if you're like, hey, we could use a backup, 163 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: We'll take him third round. Like if that's the case, 164 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: if so many people loved him, why didn't anyone take 165 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: a chance on him before the fifth? 166 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 4: Well there are a lot of off the field things, 167 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 4: like his personality that he got a larger than life personality, 168 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 4: him and his father. 169 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 5: And you look when you're seeing all the rookies that. 170 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: Got drafted and this year's draft, who's getting the most 171 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 4: limelight now? Camillore is Changs and no matter where he's 172 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: going to be picked. So if you do wherever you're 173 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: going to draft him, he's going to take away from 174 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: a lot of spotlight. Then there's the Dion Sanders effect. 175 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: You know, his dad is out there, maybe his dad 176 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: wants to be a head coach in the NFL in 177 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: a couple of years, then a lot of teams were 178 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 4: turned off that he did not participate in NFL Combine, 179 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 4: nor the Senior Bowl or the East Rest Shrine Game. 180 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 4: And so when you're looking at all that, it was 181 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: a domino effect of a lot of things that happened 182 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: Todor now his film, I'm not going to say that 183 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 4: this year's quarterback class was one of the best as 184 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: we've seen in recent memory, or Shador Sanders is a 185 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 4: bona fide star in this league. To me, his NFL 186 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: is Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater was a pretty good starter 187 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 4: before he injured his knee. Pro Bowl type quarterback, fringe, 188 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: pro bole type quarterback. But you can win games a 189 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: game manager knew how to get delivered the ball. 190 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 5: With accuracy precision. 191 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: Shador Sanders is like that now with him what that 192 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 4: bag is though people probably wanted to drafted Teddy Bidgwater 193 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: as high if he had a lot of that off 194 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: the field hoopla and a lot of scrutiny, a lot 195 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 4: of headlines, so that played a role in it. 196 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: But Chador had. 197 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: A really good quote during mini camp. He pretty much 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: said he doesn't have to prove people wrong. He has 199 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 4: to prove himself right. So if he's a quarterback who 200 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: he believes he is, and if he proves himself right, 201 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 4: he should be the starting quarterback, especially that Deshaun Wasston 202 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: is probably going to be out for all this coming 203 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: season with his achilles injuries. So I do believe when 204 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 4: it's all said, Shador is going to win that starting job. 205 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: But here's my thing. 206 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: So Kevin Stefanski knows quarterbacks, obviously, very sharp, offensive mind, 207 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: Coach of the Year, all that fun stuff. He decided 208 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: to take Dylan Gabriel earlier than anybody had him projected. Okay, 209 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: you know, like I do mock drafts for Fox Sports, 210 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 3: everybody doing their mates, they were all way wrong on 211 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel. The guy who's one coach of the Year. 212 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: He wanted Dylan Gabriel and he got in two rounds 213 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: before Shaduur. To me, that's a clear sign that's the 214 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 3: guy I want to run my offense. So from my perspective, 215 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: it's like I think, not only does Shaudur have to 216 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: pass Dylan Gabriel, but he's also got to pass one 217 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: of the vets either Picket or Flackoh my guess his 218 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: picket gets flipped sometime when somebody gets injured before the season. 219 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: At quarterback and somebody gets picket. 220 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: But like, don't you think Shadour has to beat out 221 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: Gabriel And it's a tall order given that Sefenski clearly 222 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: liked Gabriel. 223 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, now, don't get me wrong, it's the competition. 224 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: Now. 225 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that he's a starter right now or 226 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: has doesn't have his work cut out for When even 227 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: rookie mini camps started, Dylan Gabriel was the first one 228 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 4: up getting those reps before Shador Sanders. So if Shadoor 229 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: is gonna win that starting job, he'll have to have 230 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 4: earned it, and I just believe that he is going to. 231 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 4: When I look at Dylan Gabriel, when you look at 232 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 4: his film in college, yes he was a productive quarterback. 233 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: He was pretty good. 234 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: But Shador Sanders' tape is night and day better, and 235 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: then can he Pickett now? Unless can he Pickett got 236 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: improved tremendously. I believe Shador is better than him, and 237 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: Joe Flacco is what Joe Flacco is. He's a show 238 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 4: of himself at this day in Asia, and he's passed 239 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: his prime. 240 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 5: Yes he still has a big arm. Yes he can still. 241 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 4: Win you a few games, but he's a bridge quarterback 242 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: at this point, a short term answer. So I really 243 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: do think it's gonna be Shador that. I mean, it 244 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: may not be week one, maybe not even week two, 245 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: but give it to week four. I'm willing to bet 246 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: you Jason. By week four, Shador is gonna be a starter. 247 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 3: So your guests, who starts more games this year? Shador 248 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: or Dylan Gabriel Shador? 249 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 5: I'm positive of that. 250 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: Do you think over under Shador starts. I'll give it 251 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 3: like two and a half. 252 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 5: Work way over, really, way over. 253 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: I think Shador starts at least six seven games. 254 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 5: Wow, six seven games. 255 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: I get that's bold, and I like the bold takes, 256 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: but I just can't get over the fact that Kevin 257 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: Stefanski is the one calling the shots and he didn't 258 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: like Shador. 259 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: Or he would have taken him early or before Dylan gets. 260 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 5: A strong word, didn't like him because they won the 261 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 5: draft him. 262 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 4: If a Kosha just flat out didn't like, well that's 263 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 4: a strong word. 264 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 3: Now, I say didn't like because like you had the 265 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: opportunity at two and then in the second round. 266 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: There so many opportunities. 267 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: And then there's the take of hey man, he took 268 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel. What if the owner said, hey man, we 269 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: got to take Shador. 270 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: We could use the pop. 271 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: It's going to get a social media I'm so you see, uh, 272 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: Ain't nobody talking about the New Orleans Saints quarterback battle 273 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: or the Colts. 274 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: It's all Shadour in the Browns. 275 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 3: So I wonder if Haslam was like, let's just draft 276 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: this guy just simply for the buzz and and all 277 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: that extra curricular stuff. 278 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Like owners love that. Coaches they don't like it as much. 279 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 4: But if Kevin Sevanski liked Dylan Gabriel so much, why 280 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 4: did the Browns draft Shador A couple of rounds after? 281 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 4: You can go to the reverse of that as well. 282 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 4: It's gonna be interesting to see how how it plays out. Now, 283 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: I will say this, Dylan Gabriel is going to get 284 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 4: just as much of an opportunity to play as Shador Sanders, 285 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 4: because based on what I'm hearing out of Cleveland, Gabriel 286 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 4: has gotten reps before Shador, especially during you know, rookie 287 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: mini camp. We'll see what happens during mandatory mini camp 288 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: and you know when OTAs go on to Phase three. 289 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 4: But it is when you just when you just simply 290 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: just look at the tape, do the eye test. Jason, 291 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: you cannot tell me that Chador is not a better. 292 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: I would have taken Shador early. 293 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: I'm just saying I look at the coach and his 294 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: decision to me is more of a tell than I 295 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: don't care what the tape says. 296 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: What you and I think are other teams. 297 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: Like Stefanski's the one calling the shots, and it's like 298 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: he must love Gabriel, which I don't totally get. And 299 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: I had a guest on I think was Tom pelosorrow 300 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: NFL Network. He's like, listen, Stefanski loves the guy's character, 301 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: quick release, quick red to the defense, Like that's the 302 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: kind of guy he wants. And now coaches, you know, 303 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: we struggle with the quarterback position. And I'm gonna ask 304 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: you something about this list in a minute, But like, 305 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: I don't know these coaches many they're weird, they're different animals. 306 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: If I could just say that, Yeah, And there were 307 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: several factors that played out that made Shador Sanders ball though. 308 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 4: And you know, like we mentioned before, it was some 309 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: of the off field things, whether it's his personality, whether 310 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 4: it's all the attention that comes with his name, whether 311 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: he turned off people were not competing at the Combine, 312 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: the East West Shrine game, So there were multiple factors. Yes, 313 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: talent was among them, but what I heard and that 314 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: was way down the list. 315 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 3: I'm curious, do you think, if let's just say week one, 316 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: can you Pikets the starter, Dylan Gabriel's the backup, Schador's inactive. 317 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: Do you think Dion will put a comment out there 318 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: in the media, because you know at the Colorado game 319 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 3: they're gonna ask Dion about it. 320 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: Son. 321 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: Do you think he'll be able to hold back or 322 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: will he just be like, man, that's garbage. The Browns 323 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: are screwing him and that's the kind of thing that 324 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: may have steered teams away from it. 325 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 4: I've never known Dion to hold back, so hey, Dad, 326 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 4: put a cork, Come on, Yeah, I would imagine he 327 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: was to say something, he might dial it back a 328 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 4: little bit. Maybe he won't call out the organization or 329 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: the code, but to me, he'll probably say have something 330 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 4: to say. 331 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 332 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 333 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 334 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: listen live. 335 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: So sticking with quarterbacks real quick. I got into a 336 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: big discussion with cow Hurt about this. So pro football, 337 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: for everybody does a list of the best quarterbacks. But 338 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 3: the weird thing is everybody agrees that there's four guys 339 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: head and shoulders of O the rest of the league, Mahomes, 340 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: Alan Jackson, and Joe Burrow. Those guys are the four elite. 341 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would argue that there's someone in 342 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: that group that's not in there. 343 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: But since you do top fives, I having just. 344 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 3: Watched Jalen Hurts again get to the Super Bowl win 345 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: the MVP. 346 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: I look at Hurts's numbers. He went from the pocket, 347 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: he was with his legs. I think Hurts is a clear. 348 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: Fifth best quarterback in the league. And I'm getting all 349 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: kinds of pushback from people. Well, he was a second 350 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: round pick, and some games he throws for ninety seven 351 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: yards and I'm just like, I don't get the Jalen 352 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: Hurts dislike, do you have a guy who is right 353 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 3: on the heels of those big four or maybe you 354 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: have somebody who just cracks that big four makes it 355 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: a big five. 356 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 5: It's funny because I get asked this question a lot. 357 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, I would have said without 358 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 4: a dall is just and Herbert, But justin Herbert's kind 359 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: of slipped a little bit. No playoff wins, that last 360 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: playoff lost in Houston, and what was a you know, 361 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 4: a black stain in his career. 362 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 5: Is gonna have to come back from that. 363 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 4: C J. 364 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 5: Stroud. 365 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: I think before this had the start of the regular season, 366 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: especially coming off that rookie campaign, you could put him 367 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 4: at five. 368 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 5: What about Jayden Daniels. 369 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: I can't off one year. I don't know. 370 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 4: To me, it's probably Jaden Daniels and then Jalen Hurts. 371 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels, in my opinion, is better than Jalen Hurts 372 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 4: right right now based on what he did. But yes, 373 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 4: he has to do it again this coming season. Let's 374 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: see what he does in year two is sophomore year 375 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 4: year three. Uh, it's hard to knock Jalen hurtself. Now 376 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: he's a super Bowl champion. He's really out beforming Patrick 377 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 4: Mahomes twice. But he does have a lot of help 378 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 4: around Now. If Patrick Mahomes has Saquon Barkley in the 379 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 4: back field, who in that offensive line? 380 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 5: Who knows what he can do? 381 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 4: Patrick Mahone's only lost two Super Bowls because his offensive lines. 382 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 5: Have failed him. 383 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 4: So let's give credit where credits due. Jalen Hurts does 384 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 4: have a lot of talent around him. Arguably the best 385 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 4: receiving corps in NFL, especially in the NFC top five 386 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: tight end, one of the best defensive tackles in all football, 387 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 4: so he has a lot of that. Howie Roseman built 388 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 4: that team beautifully. The Eagles are loaded even again this year. 389 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 4: But I will probably say Jade and Daniels five and 390 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: then C. J. Stroud followed by Herbs Stroud. 391 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: Oh my god, think I took sixty three sacks last year? 392 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: What was terrible? 393 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: But you know they do this charting of eating sacks 394 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: and Stroud it was responsible for a lot of those. 395 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: He didn't have a great year. 396 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta say that the one thing I 397 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 3: don't like is this. And I'm not saying you necessarily 398 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: did it or cowhard, but in general, if you're a 399 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: first round pick, you seem to get the benefit of 400 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: the doubt. 401 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: All I hear with Hurtz and brock perty are well, 402 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: look at the roster. I mean, look look at it. 403 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: They got a stack deck. 404 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, Well, if Patrick Mahomes is drafted 405 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: by the Saints or some other bad organization, is he 406 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. I mean he got Andy Reid, Like that's 407 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: not bad. Justin Herbert, I love him. I went to Chargers, 408 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: took my kids to the Chargers Minnie camp. It was awesome, 409 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: Like Herbert's awesome. Like you said, he doesn't have a 410 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 3: playoff win. He just got gifted Jim Harbaugh and then 411 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: vomited all over himself in the playoff game on the road. 412 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, I get Lamar Jackson two vps. 413 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: He's phenomenal. 414 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: Every year they improved the roster, and it's the same 415 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: story every postseason. 416 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: He just can't. 417 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: He doesn't get it done. And so I know Mark 418 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: Andrews with the drop, Okay, but like It is weird. 419 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: These first round quarterbacks seem to get the extra benefit 420 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 3: of the doubt, whereas Brock Brock perty could win the 421 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 3: Super this year, win the MVP, and they're still well, 422 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: look at the team he's got. 423 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. I'm like, God, we greet Kyle Shannan's good. 424 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: What's Kyle Shanahan one? Tyler like he's a great coach? 425 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: What's he won? 426 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: It's just these discussions are fun and the subjective, but 427 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: it just it always seems to like hurts his ding 428 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: because he was his second round pick. 429 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 5: Well, I'm even dinging the top. 430 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 4: All these quarterbacks have you know, black marks on their 431 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: career now. 432 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 5: And it's what the exception. 433 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 4: Probably Mahomes because really his two losses I don't even 434 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: put on him. 435 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 5: But Josh Allen's never won. 436 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: A big one. You've mentioned Lamar, the Ravens always flame out. 437 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 4: AFC Championship Game, Divisional round. Joe Burrow, he's gonna have 438 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 4: an injury prone bug on him now and he has 439 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: to remain healthy now. 440 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 5: When he is healthy, he's productive. 441 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: But the Bengals missed the playoffs last year, so that 442 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 4: fifth spot is fluid and right now, coming off. 443 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 5: Of this past season. 444 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels impressed me probably more than any other new 445 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: coming quarterback. Probably the best rookie quarterback I have seen 446 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 4: in the NFL in recent memory. So that's why I 447 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: have him at that five spot, and then C. J. 448 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: Stroud has seas and seven is not bad. Seven best 449 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: quarterback in the NFL. If your top ten quarterback in 450 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 4: the NFL, in my opinion, you can win the Super 451 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: Bowl with that. 452 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, Stafford obviously has a It's just weird that, like 453 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: Hurts has a Super Bowl win. He was phenomenal. Stafford 454 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 3: has a game winning drive in the Super Bowl. He's outstanding. 455 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: It makes you wonder with Stafford, what if he ever 456 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: had coaching or a team in Detroit. He was surrounded 457 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: by an aptitude some of the worst defenses ever. I 458 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 3: just have a hard time putting Stroud up there and 459 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels. It was one season, Tyler, come on. 460 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 5: But did you see that one season? 461 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: It was incredible. 462 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 4: I mean it was phenomenal to the NFC Championship game 463 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 4: in that one season. 464 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know they got smashed by Hurts 465 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: by like thirty, but nevertheles. You know, you're right, Daniels 466 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: was tremendous. I would have him top ten, but I 467 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: know it's just a tough one for me. All right, 468 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: let's move on from quarterbacks here for a sec. Do 469 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: you have and I know, again it's a summer, there's 470 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: a lot to go. Is there a team that didn't 471 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 3: make the playoffs in each conference who maybe you look 472 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 3: at this year and is like, that's a team I'm 473 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 3: buying because we know every year, I think if there's 474 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: like three or four new playoff teams every year, So 475 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 3: is there someone that you're eyeing as like, oh, keep 476 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 3: an eye on that team? 477 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I hate to sound like a broken record, 478 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 4: but I'm going to say the forty nine ers in 479 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 4: the NFC. Yeah, people are overlooking the forty nine ers. Yes, 480 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel's gun. They lost a lot of talent on defense. 481 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: But if Christian McCaffrey comes back healthy, You've got George Kittle, 482 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: Brandon Au comes back healthy, Trent Williams. 483 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 5: I mean, when those guys. 484 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 4: Are on the field, and now you re signed Brock 485 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: Perdy to a mega extension, the forty nine ers, check 486 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 4: their record, They're almost unbeatable. When those guys are healthy, 487 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: on the field. Yes, that defense has to jail. Yes, 488 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 4: Nick Bosa has to remain healthy as well. But the 489 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 4: forty nine ers, they're getting overlooked, and the AFC just 490 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: mentioned it. The Cincinnati Bengals, Yeah, I mean Joe Burrow 491 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 4: as long as see can stay healthy. They have the 492 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: best receiving corps in all of football, and Jamar Chase 493 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 4: and t Higgins. That defense is what everybody's gonna be 494 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 4: looking at. Can that defense not be historically bad? Can 495 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 4: you make some stops, two or three stops a game? 496 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 4: Because we all know that offense is going to score 497 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 4: twenty five thirty points a game. They're going to be 498 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 4: in the end though, and they're going to be a 499 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: high powered, potent offense with Joe Burrow and those guys 500 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: that receiver. But if that defense can just improve a 501 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 4: little bit. They got Golden the defensive coordin out of 502 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: Notre Dames, so you would think he can have some 503 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 4: tweaks to improve that defense. But yeah, I think the 504 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 4: Bengals are a team to look out for an AFC, 505 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: and they're a playoff team as well. 506 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: I don't disagree with all although they got to fix 507 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: Hendrickson thing man without him I don't know if you 508 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: saw the numbers without him on the field, they're the 509 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: worst defense in the league in multiple categories, Like they're bad. 510 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: We could wrap up with this, and this is a 511 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: tough one because, like it is college football. But he's 512 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: an NFL legend and that's just Bill Belichick stuff. So 513 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: here's the problem, Tyler. It clicks through the roof. People 514 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 3: are obsessed, Oh shocker with a seventy three year old 515 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 3: dating some hot twenty four year old. Right, they're into that, 516 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: and you do it on a podcast, you write about it, 517 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: you talk about people are into it. I gotta be honest. 518 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's ever going to coach in 519 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: the NFL again. I know that a lot of people 520 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: are like, always too old, he's to control freaky. 521 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: Do you think it's over for Belichick? It just feels 522 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: it strikes me. 523 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: As weird that we give so many quarterbacks multiple chances. 524 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 3: Bill Bill Belichick's winning his coach in NFL history when 525 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 3: it comes to Super Bowls and success. Are you kind 526 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: of surprised he's not coaching in the NFL this year? 527 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 5: It is funny. You have to get this all season. 528 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: I feel like it's best now my timeline is all 529 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: like Stefan Diggs, Cardi B and Bill Belichick and his girlfriend. 530 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 5: So it's like, man, this is the NFL content right 531 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 5: now during this time of year. 532 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: But I mean to Bill Belichick, I think a lot 533 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: of NFL gms and owners kind of look at him 534 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 4: and say, is he passed his prime coaching wise? Because 535 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 4: it really ended kind of ugly in New England, it 536 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 4: did not end well. He really hires a lot of 537 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 4: guys that he knows cronyism. I mean, he hires his 538 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 4: guys that will do the Bill Belichick type Patriots way, 539 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 4: and teams are kind of moving on from that. These offenses, 540 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 4: these offensive coordinators are more innovative. 541 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 5: Defenses are becoming more innovative. 542 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 4: And Bill Belichick has that, you know, old school Bill 543 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 4: par Sales type of head coaching style. And I just 544 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 4: think a lot of these franchise a kind of moving 545 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 4: on and transitioning me out of that. Because when you're 546 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 4: seventy plus years old as a head coach, a lot 547 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 4: of these times these athletes kind of tune you out. 548 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: A lot of these NFL athletes are in twenty one, 549 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty three, and your head coach. 550 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 5: Is not ten years older than him, not twenty. 551 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 4: Years old, at fifty years older than you, like, he's 552 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: like your great grandpa's cage almost. So there becomes a 553 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: time where these head coaches their voice does not resonate 554 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: in the locker room as it once did before. Even 555 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 4: when you're Bill Belichick arguably the best coach in NFL history. 556 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: That's interesting. So do you have any read on how 557 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: he'll do it? 558 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: North Carolina college football has changed so much. 559 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: I do think the Bill Belichick's name still has that 560 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: mystique and he's still even though his coaches are not 561 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 4: very successful as head coaches, they are successful, you know, 562 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 4: coordinate and assistant coaches. 563 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 5: I do think they'll be competitive. 564 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: Now. 565 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 4: Are they going to be a college football playoff team? No, 566 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 4: but they'll be better than they were in the previous years. 567 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: Went on the new other regimes. 568 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 3: Do you kind of blush when they're like, hey, can 569 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 3: you write about Belichick and the girl? 570 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: Are you like? 571 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, because when they come to me and 572 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: they're like, hey, how about this segment, I'm like, I 573 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: don't want to touch it, guys, I just don't. 574 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 4: I don't. 575 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: I don't like again, I know that Bill Belichick. 576 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 3: I'm sure they're happy. I just find it a little 577 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: weird to talk about. 578 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 4: I do not like talking about players personal lives, so 579 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: I rarely touch the Bill Belichick, the Stefan Dave's Cardi B. 580 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: I don't oh wait, hold on, what's the Cardi B thing? 581 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: I know that I saw the digs on a boat 582 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: with all these chicks, and he's offering him some sort. 583 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 5: He's dating Cardi B now, and he was on the 584 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 5: boat with Cardi B. 585 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 4: But he was with some chicks at the time when 586 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: Cardi B was somewhere else and passed along at substance 587 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: that nobody knows what sell. 588 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Stefan, I'm sure that vrabel absolutely loves that. 589 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 590 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 5: And he's not at O T A S. By the way, 591 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 5: he's on the boat, you know, passing around. 592 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure he's rehabbing with with the with the the 593 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 3: I G batties. 594 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 5: That's the way to rehab. They maybe quick way, quick recovery. 595 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: Yes, certainly, all right, Tyler Dragon USA today, great stuff, man, 596 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the time, buddy 597 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, and have a good one.