1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: I go with the guy that gives me the best 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: chance to win it, in my opinion, a completely unbiased opinion. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: I played Joe Flacco. So Dennis was begging us to 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: come on the podcast. We finished up on script and 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: he's like, can I please come on the podcast? Can 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: I please come on hundred dollars to come on the pod? 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: He said, fine, I'll take your money and you can 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: come on the time. It's one of those scenarios where 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm your best friend, you're not my best Welcome into 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: the lounge of victorious songe. We we called it, Garrett, 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: we did a big win and we called it. Yeah, 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: we never say that, and we really felt good about 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: this Bengals game, so we said it's gonna be a 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: big win. And it was. Lamar Jackson gets his first 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: NFL start, plays well, rushes for more than a hundred yards, 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: really showed some flashes, brought some electricity to the game, 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: to these stadium. It's an exciting day here in in Baltimore. 18 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: And so we're pretty fared up. Yeah, so here's the deal. 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: We're getting Mark Andrews to come join us in the lounge. 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: But we did unscripted and Dennis Pitto was on unscripted, 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: and we all know that Dennis is a friend of 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: the pod. He's a friend of me, of the poduct 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: So Dennis was begging us to come on the podcast. 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: We finished up on scripted and he's like, can I 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: please come on the podcast? Can I please come one 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: hundred dollars to come on the pod? We said, fine, 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: we'll take your money and you can come on the pod. Exactly. 28 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: It was a sympathy. It was a sympthing exactly. Yeah. So, 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: uh so we're gonna debate. We were on the talk 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: to him about Lamar and Joe, you know, because he's 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: got a little insight on Joe and uh you know 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: who he thinks should be the quarterback moving forward, whether 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: it's the dawning of the Lamar era or just you know, 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: like a little sunrise. I don't know what's like kind 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: of I don't know, like do you think you see 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: the sunrise or something? I don't know. Um. But anyway, 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: with that said, let's just jump right into our conversation 38 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: with Dennis. All right. But before we jump into the 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: conversation with Dennis, you know what we gotta do. We 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: gotta say hello to our friends and Bows. That's right. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta pay the sponsors. Baby, Yeah, we 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: gotta pay the bills. Yeah, that's right, paid bills, not 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: paid the sponsors. Yeah, you know how this whole thing works. 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: We see a lot of that though, right, Oh yeah 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: all the time. Well I do see it because I 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: got a fair of headphones. Yeah, there you go. So 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: NFL coaches use powerful Bows noise canceling technology to block 48 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: out eighty thou screaming fans. 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Well, we're welcoming in a 58 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: friend of the pod, one of our best friends in 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: the pod, a guy who loves us even more than 60 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: he loves Joe Flack. Would you say we're closer friends. Well, 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: I just say, Dennis fit Dennis, would you say that 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: we are closer friends at this point than you and Joe. 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: It's one of those scenarios where I'm your best friend, 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: but you're not my best However that plays out mentally 65 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: for you. But that's just kind of the reality of it. Wow, 66 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: too cool for school. It's a frend of me thing. 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: It's a bully at school, you know, the jock, popular kid. Yeah, 68 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: your friends. I appreciate you calling me popular. I take 69 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: that as a compliment. This is my life. Yeah. So, Dennis, 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: we want to have you on the podcast because I 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: want to talk. We just did Ravens Unscripted and want 72 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: to talk where this team is right now and I 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: get your take on this offense and where things stand. 74 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: So let's just go ahead. We've been, you know, spent 75 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the last hour taping Unscripted and debating quarterbacks in the 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: scut and quarterbacks. Um, so for the podcast, just what's 77 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: your starting point kind of assessment of what you saw 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: from Lamar Jackson, how the offense looked with him the center. Well, 79 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: I want to say first, I was impressed with what 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Lamar did. I think it was hard to watch that 81 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: game yesterday and not be impressed with his athletic ability, 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: with his ability to run the football. He ran at 83 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: twenty seven times. I mean as a team they ran 84 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: a fifty one times only through at nineteen. So I 85 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: was impressed with what they asked him to do because 86 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: they kept it very simple for him. They gave him 87 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: things that he was familiar with as far as zone reads, 88 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: r pos, those kinds of plays that he did in 89 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: college that he has a familiarity with, and he could run. 90 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: And we knew that about Lamar. We knew he could 91 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: do those kind of things. But I still think there's 92 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: a question mark about his ability to pass the football. Now. 93 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: It's not just he has to become a pocket passer. 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: But they only asked him to throw it a few times, 95 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of those throws were still r pos 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: one read r p o s where if the defender 97 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: plays run, you throw it over his head. And so 98 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot on his plate as far as 99 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: the passing game. And so that is still out there 100 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: and yet to be seen Candie handle that kind of 101 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: load because it is a passing league. And we've argued 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: about this before, but I don't think the way that 103 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: they played is sustainable now at one on Sunday, and 104 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: it can win potentially against Oakland next week, but you're 105 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: not going to face the thirty second worst defense every 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: single week and offenses that can't really move the ball, 107 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: and so I think it's gonna get it more challenging 108 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: for him, and they're gonna have to open it up 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more, especially in the past game for him. 110 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: I think he's definitely going to have to continue to 111 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: improve as a as a quarterback and as a thrower. 112 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: There there's no doubt about that. It's how how far 113 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: does that pendulum swing, right is? I don't think he's 114 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: ever going to be a guy where the model of 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: success for him is throwing the ball thirty five times, right, 116 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: But I do think that he can run it ten 117 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: to twenty times or ten to fifteen times, and let's 118 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: say throw it twenty and be successful. I do think, yes, 119 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: it's a passing league, but I do it all depends 120 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: on whether you think the r p O stuff is 121 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: a sustainable NFL model that is changing NFL offenses forever 122 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: or for a foreseeable amount of time, or whether you 123 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: think it's more of a wildcat gimmicky stuff because if 124 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: it's if it's a viable NFL offense, which I think 125 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: in recent years the Eagles had a ton of success 126 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: with it. They ran a lot of RPO stuff. Now, 127 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: they didn't run the ball twenty seven times with Carson Wentz, 128 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: but you've seen I think now that it's legit. So 129 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: I do think that the Ravens can have success in 130 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: this type of offense. But the question is just how 131 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: much more Lamar has to throw the ball. I mean 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: that to me is this is kind of hinging on 133 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: because your point is he's gonna have to tell them 134 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: all more, which I agree with, He's gonna have to 135 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: And to answer Minx question, yes, it is a viable offense. 136 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: It is not gimmicky like the wildcat where the wildcat 137 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of flamed out. You still see glimpse of the 138 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: wildcat here and there. R P O s and zone 139 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: reads is viable and it's a large part of offenses today, 140 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: especially in college football, and it's creeping more and more 141 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: into the NFL. And I think it's a good style 142 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: of offense, but it can't be the entire style of 143 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: the offense. You cannot be one dimensional in this league, 144 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: and but we're the Ravens one dimensional before anyway. I 145 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: mean they were a drop back. Especially this year, we're 146 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: crazy ones. We had no running game with and I 147 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: think that's where we struggled offensively, is we were a 148 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: little bit one dimensional in the fact that we couldn't 149 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: run the ball with any kind of productivity. But that's 150 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: the thing. You have to be able to have a 151 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: balance with those things. You look at the Saints, I mean, 152 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: the Saints are playing great football right now. You look 153 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: at the Rams. The Rams are playing joined football. You 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: think those teams are just throwing the ball over the field. 155 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: Guess what The Saints ran for two and forty four 156 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: yards against the Bengals two weeks ago. The Ram Todd 157 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Gurley is the leading rushier in the NFL, and it's 158 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: a huge part of what they do. These are teams 159 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: that run the football first and throw off of it, 160 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: and they run it successfully and they throw for a 161 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: ton of yards. So you have to be balanced like that. 162 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: You can't just throw the football. And that's been our 163 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: problem a little bit this year is we've only been 164 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: able to throw the football and we haven't been able 165 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: to get any kind of productivity on the ground. So 166 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: now you enter Lamar and we get all kinds of 167 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: productivity on the ground, but we didn't throw the ball. 168 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: Now and that kind of a game where your defense 169 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: plays well, you largely play with the lead through most 170 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: of the game. That's sustainable for sure, and it worked. 171 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: It was a great game plan for that game. But 172 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: what I'm arguing is it's not going to be like 173 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: that every single week. You have to be adaptable. You 174 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: look at the Patriots. The Patriots are the most adaptable 175 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: offense in the world. Some games they run at forty times, 176 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: some games they run at five times and throw at sixty. 177 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you have to do. You have 178 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: to play how the game dictates, and each game is 179 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: unique and different. And I mean it's the NFL. There's 180 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: so much parody. A terrible team could look great one 181 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: week and then be back terrible the next week. It's 182 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: just you have to be flexible and adaptable. You cannot 183 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: be one dimensional. And right now, the Ravens with Lamar Jackson, 184 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: they're one dimensional with either quarterback because with Joe they 185 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: have their running game, and with them are they only 186 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: have the running games. So far, well, I think you 187 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: can find a way to be better in the run 188 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: game with Joe and it. I don't know how to 189 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: do that, um, but you can find ways. And uh 190 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: and I think Gus that Gus edwards emergence the other 191 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: day against the Bengals helps you a little bit. I 192 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: think you can hand it off to him more. Um, 193 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: but you have to find ways to be creative in 194 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: that regard, um, getting more productivity out of the run 195 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: game when you have a pocket passer like Joe Fluck. 196 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Drew Brees is a pocket passer. He's 197 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: not running rpo stuff. They're not doing anything like that. 198 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: Here's they bring in Taysom Hill, who's largely kind of 199 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: plays the same role that Lamar was playing when Joe 200 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: is in there, and so they find a way to 201 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: be productive on the ground. It's not about Joe finding 202 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: ways to make the run game go. He just hands 203 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: the ball off. It's about the offensive line of running 204 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: backs making the run games. Here's the question, do the 205 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Ravens have a better chance of figuring out how to 206 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: get a run game with jonre center or a better 207 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: chance of figuring out the passing game and how to 208 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: bring some stuff for Lamar, the passing game with him, understand, 209 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: and I think that's that's the great unknown. Well, that's yeah, 210 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: that's a really good question because we don't know enough 211 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: about Lamar. We've seen Joe with good run games before, 212 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: and we has a really good run game. It's it's 213 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: a tough offense to stop us, and so I think 214 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: that first and foremost is your priority. Uh, there's just 215 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: so much unnun about Lamar. And I'm I'm not saying 216 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: the offense is only one dimensional with Lamar, but it was. 217 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it was yesterday against the Bengals, and 218 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's gonna always be that way because 219 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: we don't really know what he is as a pastor. 220 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: They didn't really have him do that much. And he 221 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: can develop potentially into a good pastor, but it's just 222 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: it's it's unknown. Yeah, they obviously have to let him 223 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: throw the ball more if they're going to win games 224 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: like in Atlanta, in Kansas City, in Los Angeles against 225 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: the Chargers, You're gonna have to have him throw the 226 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: ball more. Again, my question is how much more. But 227 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: you are gonna have to throw the ball more. What 228 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: I think is the interesting debate right now, and we're 229 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: now that we're kind of discussing it is what you 230 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: do and and John Harbor said on Sunday basically, Joe 231 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: is it would be tough for him to play this week. 232 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: So let's just assume for the sake of discussion that 233 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: he is not available for Oakland. You go out there, 234 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: you play with Lamar against Oakland. Uh he they win 235 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: because the Raiders are one of the worst teams in 236 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: the NFL and it's kind of a similar style game 237 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: plan to what we just saw from the Banks. Now 238 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: you're going into the Atlanta game road atmosphere against the 239 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: potent offense, and Joe's healthy. Who's the quarterback? Then, because 240 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: you've had Lamar for two games, you're John Harba And yeah, 241 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: you're John Harbaugh. So what do you do in that situation? Well, 242 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: from John Harball and I've just won two straight games, 243 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna playoff race. I go with the guy 244 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: that gives me the best chance to win it, in 245 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: my opinion, a completely unbiased opinion. I played Joe Flacco 246 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: because I know what I'm getting out of Joe Flacco. 247 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: I have confidence in his abilities to throw the football. 248 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: When you play some of these high powered offenses, you're 249 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: not gonna you're not gonna limit them to fourteen even 250 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: twenty one points. A lot of times you're gonna have 251 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: to put up more points than that, and so you 252 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: have to be able to throw the football. But like 253 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: we mentioned, you have to find a way to run 254 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: the ball too. So whether that's giving Lamar maybe series 255 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: here and there to try and bolster that run game, 256 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: or a few more plays in in that RPO style 257 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: with him in the shotgun or pistol formation, or even 258 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: like to finish a game in four minute mode when 259 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: you're trying to close out a game, maybe let him 260 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: take that drive and run the ball and do all 261 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: those kind of things that he's excelled at. But I 262 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: just don't think you can sit a healthy Joe Flacco 263 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: on the sideline knowing his potential to throw the ball 264 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: all over the field, because I just don't think they'll 265 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: have that element at this point with Lamar well. So 266 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: so my gut instinct in this scenario is to stick 267 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: with Lamar. And the reason I say that is that 268 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: I do think that he provided a spark obviously in 269 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: the run game. I guess I have. It is the unknown. Basically, 270 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: we don't know if he could throw the ball really 271 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: consistently because we haven't seen it yet. But to me, 272 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: I saw enough out of his throwing yesterday to think 273 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: he can throw the ball more than he has and 274 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: you need to give him more opportunities to throw the ball. 275 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: Now he's got to go out there, improve it and 276 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: do it. But I I liked the small sample of 277 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: what I saw from him as a passer. Wasn't nearly 278 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: as pretty I think as Joe, but I think I 279 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: saw enough good throws. He had a great throw to 280 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. He had a good throw to really seed 281 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: on second, second and seventeen over the middle of the 282 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: field and move a change when he's backed up as 283 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: own a territory. I like what he did on the 284 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: broken play, So then find John Brown to set up 285 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: that field goal. Like I saw enough in the passing 286 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: game and I thought he's you can. You can go 287 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: with him as your starter. It is an interesting thought 288 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: that you have that almost you go with a two 289 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: quarterback system more than the Ravens. But you know, previously 290 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: it was if you had seven snaps, Joe would take sixty. 291 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Lamar would take ten maybe if you have seventy snaps 292 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: a game. What if it's that it's depending on agree. 293 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: I totally you call behind. I don't like Lamar as 294 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: your quarterback if you're down and let me get this train. 295 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm not arguing a dual quarterback system because I don't 296 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: think that's I don't think that works at any level. 297 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, if Joe's your quarterback and you 298 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: still continue to struggle in the run game, then you 299 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: can allow Lamar to come in maybe a little bit 300 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: more in run situations to help bolster that run game 301 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: and get more productivity out of it. I'm not saying 302 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: they just rotate series, because I don't think that's good 303 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: for either player. You're saying, situationally, if you need if 304 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: it's the end of the game or a situation maybe 305 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: even early in the game where you're really trying to 306 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: establish the run, then you lean more in that direction. 307 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: I get that, sure, I get that that That is 308 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But the thing about it is, and 309 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: you're saying you have confidence in Lamar being I will 310 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: throw the ball. He only threw at nineteen times, and 311 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: so take out the Chris Moore one handed acrobatic catch 312 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: to say that goes incomplete. Take out the Nick Boyle 313 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: acrobatic low ball when he was wide open, say that 314 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: falls incomplete, because that was a great catch. I think 315 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: the tune is a little bit different missing those kind 316 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: of throws where both guys were wide open. I think 317 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: you're thinking a little bit differently about his ability to 318 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: throw the ball, because it was fairly inconsistent in my opinion. Now, 319 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: it was such a small sample size that I don't 320 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: want to say he can't do it or he can. 321 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we have a lot to learn about 322 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: his ability to do it. At this point. I can't 323 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: lend confidence to the fact that, oh, he could throw 324 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: it a bunch more. I I agree with you on 325 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: that that the unknown is certainly there. But I just 326 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: have more confidence that the you're just intrigued, you want 327 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: to know, you want But but here's here's the other 328 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: big thing, Like, here's the alternative. And the Ravens had 329 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: the fifteen frank offense coming into this game with Joe 330 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: as the starters, so it's not like they had an 331 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: offense that was a top five offense in the entire NFL. 332 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: What you're saying, you clearly have this explosive offense. You've 333 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: got to go back to that. The offense was the 334 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: middle of the road offense where Joe was really good 335 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: at times, particularly early in the season. But during the 336 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: three game losing streak he had some he had bad 337 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: moments and misspasses and it wasn't great. And so that 338 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: to me, they became even one dimension of the passing game. 339 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: They shut down Smooky Brown and all of a sudden 340 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: we had nothing. So the past month, the past month, 341 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: the offense has been so let me make this argument. Thing. Yeah, 342 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: if this was week five, are we saying the offense 343 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: is stagnant? The offense isn't good. We're not the offense 344 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: in my opinion, And I think every what everybody was 345 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: talking about, Wow, look at all these new receivers. Look 346 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: how great Joe looks. Yeah, I remember, and what did 347 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: I tell you? Settle down for this exact reason. Okay, 348 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: but but that's the thing. Joe's looked great at times. 349 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: But what happened over the last few weeks. Ronnie Stanley 350 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: goes out, you have oh line issues. James Hurst is 351 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: now injured. There is so much importance to having a 352 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: solidified offensive line and playing the quarterback position. That when 353 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: your offensive line isn't shirt up, it's a lot more 354 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: difficult to play good offensive football. And so you see 355 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: that in the run game. Now they weren't able to 356 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: run the ball as well. You saw that in the 357 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: past game. Yeah, Joe's missing throws. Shoot, Joe two weeks 358 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: ago played the entire game with a hip injury that 359 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: now he can't even play on. So, yeah, he missed 360 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: a couple of throws, and talking to him, he couldn't 361 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: drive the ball like he really wanted to because he 362 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: was laboring on that hip a little bit. And so 363 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: you have to look at all those different factors. Why 364 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: did the offense goal not just it's a pedestrian offense 365 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: like before, Well, it was really dynamic the first four weeks. 366 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: Over the last four weeks it's been pedestrian, but for 367 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: a few good reasons in my opinion, fair point. I'm 368 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: really split on the issue, to be honest, and I 369 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: hate to just kind of straddle defenses. But let me 370 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: interrupt you because here's the other thing I want to say. 371 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: There is no doubt Lamar came in and provided a 372 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: spark like that is that's unarguable. I felt that I 373 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: was in the stadium. There was more energy in the stadium. 374 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: There was more energy. But but that's that would happen 375 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: with any new quarterback, any rookie quarter Do you think 376 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: when Baker Mayfield came in it wasn't electric? Yeah, it 377 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: was electric, and it gave probably even the players an 378 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: extra little boost. That happens with change. But guess what, 379 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if he starts to struggle with it, 380 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: that wears down. And so it's not like, oh, he 381 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: completely changes the energy and complexion of this whole team. 382 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: Everything we did for that game, for sure, But to 383 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: say it's gonna do that weekend a week out, I'm 384 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: not willing to say that. And so I I'm and 385 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: I will give a ton of credit to Lamar. He 386 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: played great, in my opinion, and did everything they asked 387 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: him to do. They just didn't ask him to do 388 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: a lot, And I say, asked him to do more. Yeah, 389 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: I think there's potential for him from what I saw, 390 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: there's potential for passing game, a better passing game, Like 391 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: I think if you roll Lamar out and put him 392 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: in more broken play scenarios like the one where he 393 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: hit John Brown set up the field goal. He can 394 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of success in that. I think that 395 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: if you give him some more shots. You know, the 396 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: more that he runs, the more defenses are gonna suck 397 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: up to try to stop the run. And they're gonna stop, 398 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: They're gonna load up the box and you're gonna have opportunities, 399 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: I think to take shots deep to John Brown. I 400 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: think that it's never gonna look like Joe's passing game looks. 401 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: It's just never will with Lamar. But I think you can. 402 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: And this is where the offensive coaches I think have 403 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: to really step up to the plate is then they 404 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: have to scheme things up more from Lamar in the 405 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: passing game to get guys open for him. Whereas Joe, 406 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: by nature of having an amazing arm, he'll just throw. 407 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: He'll just throw darts right in there. You don't have 408 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: to scheme guys open as much for Joe. You gotta 409 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: do that with Lamar. And I think if they're successful 410 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: as offensive coaches and schematically, then I think Lamar can 411 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: have success throwing the ball. And I think they have 412 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: an understanding of that. I think when you saw the 413 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: game plan yesterday, you saw them playing to his strengths. 414 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: So play action rollouts where now he's only got a 415 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: couple of reads, he doesn't have to see the whole field, 416 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to read a lot of coverages. He 417 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: can just come out, Okay, I got I got my 418 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: flat player. If he's covered, I can go to the 419 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: overall exactly simple high road lead, high low reads where 420 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to to process a lot or run. 421 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: It's high lower run or take off the run, which 422 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: is his strength. And so they did a great job 423 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: coaching wise putting him in a position to succeed. And 424 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: because of that game, they could run the ball fift 425 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: in times. They just could in a different game where 426 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: you have to score more points or you're down a 427 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: little bit, you can't run it fifty one times. So 428 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: my big argument is we just don't know yet. We 429 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: haven't seen the full spectrum of what he's capable of. 430 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: And like Mink just mentioned, there's potential there for sure, 431 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: but I'm not willing to say he can he can 432 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: drop back and throw it thirty times, and some games 433 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: you're saying you don't want him to. You don't think 434 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: he'll ever throw thirty five times thirty five passes. Is 435 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: not that a lot sixty passes a lot passes in 436 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: today's NFL. That is a very standard balanced offense in 437 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: my opinion, And so he's gonna have to throw it 438 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: thirty five times sometimes, especially if the game dictates it. Yeah. Anyway, 439 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: it's a good debate. It's really good. It's fun to debate. 440 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting to be have this conversation both. I mean, 441 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: we haven't had in a decade, we haven't had a 442 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: debate like this. I mean, it's it's it's crazy. And 443 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: here's the thing too, It's like you're just you're in 444 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: an interesting situation, Shan, where you could be two and 445 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: oh with lamar As you're starting quarterback, and then have 446 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: to make that call of like, okay, you've just won 447 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: two games with this guy, do you pull the plug 448 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: on him now? Also, I think it's a stupid argument 449 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: said we want to see what you've got. That is 450 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: an irrelevant argument because the Ravens are in the thick 451 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: of the playoff picture. You don't make decisions about like, well, 452 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: you want to see what you got just at the expense. 453 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: If that was the case, you would have bench Joe 454 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: at the start of the season and just throwing Lamar 455 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: out there and see what you got. If the Ravens 456 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: lose to the Raiders, then I think it's different. I'll 457 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: be saying a different tune in that you stick with 458 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: Lamar because your season is probably over. I don't know 459 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: if that's I agree with that either that if you 460 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: start Lamar next week and they lose to the Raiders, 461 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: then you then I think you gotta go back to Joe. 462 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: If Joe were to be healthy against the Falcons, it's 463 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: six wins or it's it's six losses. That's not by 464 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: any means a guarantee that you're out of the playoff race. 465 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean you can go finish six or ten and 466 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: six and then and the first four weeks of the season, 467 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean they looked very good. To say that putting 468 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: that team, a healthy team back together like they had 469 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: in the first four weeks, couldn't make a run and Chiefs, Yeah, 470 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: knockoff the Chiefs, knockoff. I mean, the Chargers home field 471 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: advantage is non existing, so it's not like you're playing 472 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: a tough road game against the Chargers. They just lost 473 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: the Broncos exactly, and so to say they can't go 474 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: on to run. You're right, You're right, but but if 475 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: you lose to a bad Raiders team, it's gonna say 476 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: something about the Ravens too. Let's be honest. Yeah, But 477 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: at the same time, I think, I think, and that's 478 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: why I think you do Lamar Jackson a disservice because 479 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: he's still a rookie quarterback. It's only his second start, 480 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: and now he has a world of expectations on him, 481 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: thinking oh, we're a great team now with Lamar. We 482 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: just don't know what we are with Lamar. Yeah, I 483 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't say that I walked out of yesterday's 484 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: games saying like, wow, we are gangbusters on offense. I 485 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: mean like it was exciting. But I that's why I 486 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of straddle defense because I didn't walk away saying, wow, 487 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: Lamar lit it up, man, Like here we go, it's 488 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: the Lamar. It's time for Lamar. Like I was like, 489 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: and I think you have to be realistic about the Bengals. 490 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: They're the thirty second rank, they're the worst defense and 491 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: balls and their offense without a J Green, in my opinion, 492 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: is bottom five. And I think we saw that yesterday. 493 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: But and to credit our defense. They played really well 494 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: and we're a top five defense, so you have to 495 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: take that in perspective. But let's not act like the 496 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: Bengals win was just this tremendous win. It's a great 497 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: win situationally for the division and for the conference and 498 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: all that, but they're not a top elite team in 499 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: this league. Yeah, it's a tough it's a very difficult decision. Um. 500 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that while we're having this debate here, 501 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: the coaches are having kind of a very similar one, 502 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: like knowing when this when they get to this bridge, 503 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: you know they're gonna have to cross it, And I'm 504 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: sure they're having a similar discussion. I mean, we don't 505 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: even know when it's gonna be healthy. Yeah, Dennis, why 506 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: don't you have Phillis. I don't even know you watched 507 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: the game with him yesterday, you said, or you went 508 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: to his house. I didn't watch the game with them. 509 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: I was on the radio calling the game and he 510 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: wasn't sitting next kind of watching with him. But you 511 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: went to his house afternod I was at his house 512 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: last night. Yeah. Yeah, but I have no information for you, 513 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: but I will tell you we don't know I mean, 514 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: he could come back next week, he could be out 515 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: three or four weeks. It's just I don't know. And 516 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm a hip specialist, like you're the hip guy, but 517 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't know. In a situation like this, 518 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's going to depend on how 519 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: he feels. A lot of it's gonna be tending if 520 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: doctors are comfortable enough to clear him. And you talk 521 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: about last week, there was question marks if he was 522 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: gonna be able to play right. He wanted to play, 523 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, and if he could have played, 524 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: he would have played. Um, but unfortunately he wasn't able to. 525 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: So he's walking around like he looks fine walking around, 526 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: but Joe always kind of has that strut. You know, 527 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: he was in a wheelchair, Isn't that what they were saying. 528 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: He's not in a wheelchair. He looks great in that 529 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: full body cast. He was. Well anyway, thank you Dennis 530 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: for joining us, and yeah, thanks Dennis. All right, well 531 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: good stuff. You what's funny? We got a question kind 532 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: of about the same exact stuff that they were debating. 533 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: And as always, you can reach us at the lounge 534 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: at Ravens dot NFL dot net. Go ahead here. Yeah, 535 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: this question was some barth Poby, and the question was, 536 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: I know you've been getting a lot of emails after 537 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson's first start. My suggestion is that the Ravens 538 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: put in a place of quarterback rotation like that, just 539 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: talking about during the game. For instance, the Flacco starts 540 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: and for the first half he's not able to move 541 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: the ball, they bring Jackson into start third to disrupt 542 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: the defensive plan and vice versa. If Jackson were to start, 543 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: uh and then the starting quarterback may come in and 544 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter depending on the coach's judgment. So it's 545 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: not necessarily based on He gets into some more detail here, 546 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: but basically his point is you can alter the quarterback 547 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: who's the starting quarterback within the game. And I actually 548 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: think that this is a fairly decent thought because if 549 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: you go with Joe, I do think that Joe's is safer. 550 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: Band Like, even though I just said a datists, I 551 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: think that I I would start Lamar and keep him. 552 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: But there could be games if you start Lamar, and 553 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: also you're down fourteen nothing and you need to throw 554 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: your way back into a game. That's that's Joe, that's 555 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: the guy that you want out there in that situation, 556 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: but I think that you need to have maybe a 557 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: little bit more flexibility with this. So if you start 558 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: Joe and the run games going nowhere and the offense 559 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: is stagnant, then absolutely insert Lamar in that situation. So 560 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: I kind of agree with Barth that this could be, 561 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of split the difference here, And I 562 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: don't think it's a terrible idea, No, I agree. I 563 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: think that Lamar obviously obviously has the rushing game going 564 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: a lot better than Joe does, and so I think 565 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: there could be some serious and and and the nice 566 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: part is it keeps the defense completely on their toes. 567 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like the Bengals defensive players were like, it's 568 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: a totally different offense which Joe versus Lamar. So they're 569 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: going on the field each series being like, I have 570 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: no idea what we're going to be doing this series, 571 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: because it's really gonna depends. So I like the Ravens 572 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: offense dictating the game more than constantly reacting what the 573 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: defense is doing. And I think that giving it a 574 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: little bit of a split treatment allows you to do that. 575 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: I agree. So anyway, this is something that is going 576 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: to be discussed and debated at nauseum uh by us 577 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: by everyone in town over the course for the next 578 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: few weeks. And that's definitely something that'll be fun to discuss. 579 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: So before we let you go, though, we got a 580 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: little sponsor read here Garrett's as we were saying before, 581 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: very nice stuff. They're great. 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