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Speaker 1: Had a whole bunch of tech issues which I can

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Speaker 1: want to bring you some updates on the one Big

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Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill, and in particular on Trump and Elon back

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Speaker 1: at full blown war against each other. The very latest

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Speaker 1: of this morning is Trump is now floating deporting Elon Musk.

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Speaker 1: So he got asked about this by a reporter and

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Speaker 1: look about deporting him. We might have to put Doge

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Speaker 1: But this comes you guys know the backstory here. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he starts aggressively criticizing Trump over this one Big Beautiful

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Speaker 1: So after that all happened and Elon kind of walks

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Speaker 1: And Lord knows, Elon's got all money on the planet

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Speaker 2: Trump is funding a primary challenge against him.

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Speaker 1: Elon has now come in and said he is going

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Speaker 2: No one was being forced.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, Elon may get more subsidy than any human being

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Speaker 1: Between Tesla and SpaceX and all of the massive government contracts,

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Speaker 1: He's been warning about how incredibly unpopular this thing is

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Speaker 2: In fact, she has now declined.

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Speaker 2: This bill really breakthrough. I mean.

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Speaker 1: The other piece of this is that, of course there's

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