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Speaker 1: Oh, welcome in Hour number two Thursday edition, Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us,

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Speaker 1: continuing to track unfortunately the reality that we seem to

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Speaker 1: have no idea who the butler, butler, who the shooter

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Speaker 1: was at Brown University in Rhode Island, just absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: that seems to connect anyone to that shooting at all.

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Speaker 1: They have more and more videos coming out, but none

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Speaker 1: of them are particularly helpful, so we are continuing to

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Speaker 1: monitor that.

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Speaker 2: Also.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the Bondai shooting, the fallout associated with that. In Australia,

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Speaker 1: there is a plane that has crashed a small plane

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Speaker 1: with about six passengers in North Carolina may be connected

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Speaker 1: to a NASCAR universe there, according to the headline that

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Speaker 1: is up on CNN. We will update you with the

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Speaker 1: latest there when we know more. Again, deadly plane crash

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Speaker 1: in Statesville, North Carolina has occurred reports that there were

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Speaker 1: six people on that private jet, but that is the

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Speaker 1: lead story right now, along with the continued pursuit of

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Speaker 1: who this person at Brown University might have been. With

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Speaker 1: better photos now and better video analysis potentially coming out

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Speaker 1: of people of interest in that story, so we will

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Speaker 1: continue to track it.

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Speaker 2: A lot of great feedback.

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Speaker 1: You can go talk to us at the talkback there,

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to hit you with a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Different stories that are out there right now.

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Speaker 1: You're talking kind of of how twenty twenty six is

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Speaker 1: going to go, and a big part of how twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six is going to go is it's the economy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We told you on this program it's as easy as EBC. Economy,

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Speaker 1: border crime. It's very hard to argue now that things

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Speaker 1: with the border and things with crime aren't better across

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Speaker 1: the United States right now than they were when Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden was in office. Vast majorities of Americans they see

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Speaker 1: what's happened at the border, it's shut down. The vast

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Speaker 1: majority agrees with what President Trump has done there.

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Speaker 2: And then on.

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Speaker 1: Crime, basically even Democrats are having to acknowledge. Yeah, Trump's

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Speaker 1: had some impact in Washington, d C. He's having impact

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Speaker 1: in Memphis. In my hometown of Nashville, the number of

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Speaker 1: murders have collapsed. We're headed for I believe, a sixty

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Speaker 1: year low. Things are moving better there. It's all going

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Speaker 1: to come down to the economy. And you're thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well did Democrats have a better message on the economy.

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Speaker 1: This was on CNN a little bit earlier in the day,

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Speaker 1: Harry Entton saying that, based on current numbers, Democrats are

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Speaker 1: the least popular they have ever been. Again CNN, Listen.

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Speaker 3: Democrats, in the minds of the American public are lower

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Speaker 3: than the dead sea. What are we talking about here, Well,

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Speaker 3: let's take a look the net approval rating for Democrats

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Speaker 3: in Congress.

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Speaker 4: You said of Kate Balwin, the lowest ever.

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Speaker 2: Look at this.

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Speaker 4: Overall, they are fifty five points underwater. They're approval rating

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Speaker 4: is south of twenty percent. It's even worse when you

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Speaker 4: look at Independence. Look at this negative sixty one points.

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Speaker 3: That means that they're approval rating is sixty one points

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Speaker 3: lower than.

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Speaker 2: Their disapproval rating.

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Speaker 3: Quinnipiac has been pulling this question for the better part

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Speaker 3: of the twenty first century. They have never found Democrats,

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Speaker 3: at least those in Congress, and worse shape than they

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it would be one thing if you said, well,

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Speaker 1: Republicans are struggling on the economy, and as a result,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a massive beatdown that happens in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, people don't really like Democrats either, So

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Speaker 1: there is just a general disdain, discord, and tip that

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Speaker 1: is out there among voters, frankly for both political parties.

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Speaker 1: And again, I think this is a legacy of Biden inflation,

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Speaker 1: more than they feel like they than we feel like

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Speaker 1: they should. And also the Trump derangement syndrome means even

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Speaker 1: when Trump does something that should be one hundred percent approval, okay,

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Speaker 1: Trump said, I'm going to give every member of the

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Speaker 1: military seven hundred and seventy six dollars in honor of

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Speaker 1: our nation's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary and the fact

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Speaker 1: that tariff's revenue is coming in better. We're going to

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Speaker 1: give everyone that is in our military a Christmas bonus.

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Speaker 1: One point four five million people, those out there that

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Speaker 2: To protect us. I don't I'm being honest with you all.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how anyone in America could have an

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Speaker 1: issue with that. But I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 1: that and he says, hey, you know what, let's just

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Speaker 1: give an end of the year bonus to all the

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Speaker 1: soldiers out there, and let's do it in a way

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Speaker 1: that celebrates the founding of our American republic. Let's give

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Speaker 1: them seventeen hundred and seventy six dollars.

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Speaker 2: It seems like something that nobody.

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Speaker 1: Could disagree with. Well, unless you happen to listen to

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Speaker 1: the view woo Be Goldberg. She ain't happy with it. Listen,

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Speaker 1: the one thing I'll give him credit on is this

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Speaker 5: He's giving him basically seventeen hundred dollars if they get well,

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Speaker 5: I want to see the money, he says, tariff revenue.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm most intrigued to see if that's actually

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Speaker 5: the case. Listen, coming off of the government, check that,

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Speaker 5: because I don't believe that. Well, in the delay that

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Speaker 5: they all had, if not, they got back pay. But

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Speaker 5: I mean, people need help, but all Americans need help

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Speaker 5: right now, and just a handout isn't the answer. Smart

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Speaker 5: policies are well, he's what he's doing is he's thinking,

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Speaker 5: if I make sure that the.

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Speaker 6: Soldiers have what they need, they'll back me and what

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Speaker 1: See, Okay, what does that even mean? They'll back me

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Speaker 1: and what I want. I mean the soldiers are responsible

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Speaker 1: is actually the job of the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States to direct our military, and then the soldiers act

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Speaker 1: at the behest of the commander in chief. You think

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Speaker 1: you know what, in retrospect, now I'll do whatever the

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Speaker 1: president wants. This is this is crazy talk. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: That something that should be I think.

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Speaker 1: Honestly one hundred percent one hundred percent approval. Hey, we've

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Speaker 1: had better revenue than we expected with tariffs. Who deserves

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Speaker 1: to get some of that better revenue from tariffs? How

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Speaker 1: about our soldiers hardworking in honor of America to fifty

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Speaker 1: And I will say, we had that caller talking about

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Speaker 1: the vibe. Sometimes it's hard to get a vibe on

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Speaker 1: a country of three hundred and fifty million ish people, right,

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Speaker 1: what is the overall vibe check? It's constantly going to

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Speaker 1: helping to drive the overall vibe of a nation, the

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Speaker 1: overall net positivity. And he talked about this last night,

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Speaker 1: and some of you said, a couple weeks ago, I

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Speaker 1: was up for the World Cup and you say the draw,

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Speaker 1: and he said, I hate the World Cup. I don't

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Speaker 1: care any thing at all about soccer. Soccer stinks. I

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Speaker 1: do think that there is going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: coming summer. It's going to be a positive experience, I

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Speaker 1: believe for our nation, not dissimilar to how it was

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Speaker 1: when we hosted in nineteen ninety four the Men's World Cup,

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Speaker 1: the Women's World Cup. A lot of young women out

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Speaker 1: Brandy Chastain won and ripped off her ripped off her

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Speaker 1: you know what we need more of in women's sports.

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Speaker 1: Dudes pretending to be chicks, we need more of. Here

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Speaker 1: is cut seven Trump pointing this out. And I do

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Speaker 1: think the UFC fight at the White House. I think

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Speaker 1: the World Cup two fifty. I think everything about the

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our nation's founding has

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to uplift us in national consciousness.

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Speaker 2: Cut seven.

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Speaker 6: Soon we will host the World Cup and the Olympics,

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Speaker 6: both of which I got. But most importantly, we will

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Speaker 6: celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration

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Speaker 6: of Independence. There could be no more fitting tribute to

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Speaker 6: this epic milestone than to complete the comeback of America

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Speaker 7: When the world.

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Speaker 6: Looks at us next year, let them see a nation

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Speaker 6: that is loyal to its citizens, faithful to its worker,

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Speaker 6: is confident to its identity, certain to its destiny, and

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Speaker 6: the envy of the entire globe. We are respected again

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Speaker 6: like we have never been respected before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that is President Trump last night. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's grab some more of your calls. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people want to weigh in. Weane out in your Belinda, California,

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Speaker 1: that's Richard Nixon territory. If I'm not mistaken, you think

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Speaker 1: the economy's pretty good compared to what you've lived through

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Speaker 1: in the past.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this economy right now is not near as bad

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Speaker 5: Not only dealing with.

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Speaker 7: That, but we were dealing with a gasoline bargo and we

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Speaker 7: I spent many days at my work because I couldn't

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Speaker 7: people that are whining right now, they don't know how

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Speaker 7: bad it can actually get, and you know, it just

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Speaker 7: upsets me the hell. I'm not this economy is not

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Robert in Alabama. You're getting

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Speaker 1: House has, and Robert's gonna address this. You have to

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Speaker 1: simultaneously tell people things are getting better without appearing to

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Speaker 1: be out of touch. So when you say, and every

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Speaker 1: time I say it, it's true, the economy is getting better,

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Speaker 1: somebody hops in my mentions and they say, you're out

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Speaker 1: of touch. You have no idea what's going on in

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Speaker 1: my world. The economy sucks. There's always somebody who says

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Speaker 1: that on social media. That reality echoes throughout the country.

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Speaker 1: So the challenge is, how do you tell people things

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Speaker 1: are getting better, which they are, while simultaneously acknowledging that

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Speaker 1: you can seem out of touch if people don't feel

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Speaker 1: yet that things are getting better. And that's what you're

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Speaker 8: Yes, and they're under this misconception that you know, soon

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Speaker 8: as soon as the president gets into office the next day,

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Speaker 8: everything that he promised is going to take place that day.

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Speaker 8: And you know, and that's the sad reality that that

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Speaker 8: that most people think of because they don't understand the

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Speaker 8: mechanism here. You know, and how all this works. Like

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Speaker 8: you were alluding to earlier about you know, the mess

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Speaker 5: It's the same reason why Grant work to get such

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Speaker 5: And the reason that this story right now is so important,

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Speaker 5: They tore down statues of Jefferson. And if we are

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what else they did. And that's why

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Speaker 5: we have to make sure that we're being honest about

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Speaker 5: historical realities and about living in those times and what

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Speaker 5: those people did. Besides, you know, the moral stains of slavery.

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Speaker 1: It's also important to apply it. I think you mentioned Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: Certainly the monuments those guys have been attacked for a

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Speaker 1: variety of reasons. Martin Luther King Junior used to do

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Speaker 1: an advice column, believe it or not, you may have

446
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Speaker 1: read this and said that anybody who was gay was

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Speaker 1: victim of a mental illness and that they should be

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Speaker 1: basically committed, essentially, And that was in the nineteen fifties. Well,

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Speaker 1: now that would be considered reprehensible by many parts of

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Speaker 1: the nation. Do we tear down his statue as well?

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Speaker 1: All of us, even the ones like you and me

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Speaker 1: who think we're pretty good at things, and everybody out

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Speaker 1: there listening, We're all going to be judged as lacking

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Speaker 1: by history because no one lives up to whatever the

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Speaker 1: standard is in the future in a perfect way.

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Speaker 2: You actually, and I think Robert E.

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Speaker 1: Lee is such an interesting example of this because, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned in Arlington, he was offered and spent all

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Speaker 1: night pacing trying to decide do I want to take

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Speaker 1: over command of the entire Union forces or do I

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Speaker 1: want to stay loyal to my state. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't understand this in today's day and age, but

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Speaker 1: your state used to be the equivalent of a country

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Speaker 1: for many people because in the eighteen sixties a lot

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Speaker 1: of people never traveled outside of their state borders because

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Speaker 1: it was so difficult comparatively to be able to travel.

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Speaker 1: And so we think of state residents now as being

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Speaker 1: something that is easy to change. And maybe your national

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Speaker 1: character matters more than the state from which you live.

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Speaker 1: But back in the day, your state was more important

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Speaker 1: to a large extent than your country was, because most

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Speaker 1: people never left their states.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's you know part of that, you know,

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Speaker 5: Ordo Amorus, right, you rank things priority and to your point,

475
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Speaker 5: people one didn't travel more than fifteen miles outside of

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Speaker 5: their community in most cases. And two, you have to

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Speaker 5: remember that up until eighteen sixty five, thinks we're operating

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Speaker 5: pretty independent of the federal government.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't until after the Civil War that we saw

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Speaker 5: the federal government's role kind of expand. And it's been expanding,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's expanding today as we speak. So states

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Speaker 5: really did function as that country ideology right there. And

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Speaker 5: Roberty Lee is someone who loved the Union, but he

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Speaker 5: loved his state war. And it's hard for people today,

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Speaker 5: you know, the same people who would go publicly bash

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Speaker 5: RFK Junior, their cousin, their brother, whoever, it is to

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Speaker 5: understand that back then people had hierarchies of priorities and

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Speaker 5: it was God, family, state, country, and it came in

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Speaker 5: that order. And that's what Lee did. So you have

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Speaker 5: to remember Lee in the times he was in versus

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Speaker 5: the time we are and now. And you brought up

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Speaker 5: a great point when Martin Luther King Junior. Look, this

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Speaker 5: is a man who fought for good things. He also

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Speaker 5: apparently was beating his wife, right, And at some point

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Speaker 5: there's going to be someone, a big group of people

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Speaker 5: who say wife beating is bad, which it is, and

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Speaker 5: they're going to say, well, we got to tear down

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Speaker 5: I'm okay, of course that would be ridiculous, but that's

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Speaker 5: what is going to happen with this slippery slope. And

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty aggrieved that the same people who are sitting

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Speaker 5: today convincing us that baby should be murdered in the womb,

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Speaker 5: that we should be transing young kids are suddenly the

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Speaker 5: arbiters of what is good and what's bad, and we're

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Speaker 5: going to listen to them.

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King also look was assassinated in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: eight on that balcony of the Lorraine Hotel in Memphis.

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Speaker 1: As many people have seen in the hotel room when

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Speaker 1: he was assassinated, was a mistress.

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, as Robert F. Kennedy and John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy and a lot of people of that era in particular,

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Speaker 1: was not an upstanding family man in the way that

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Speaker 1: many would want men to be today and in the past.

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Speaker 1: And so again, if you go and look at the

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Speaker 1: past of many of our historic figures who are heroes

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Speaker 1: and change the course of the nation, they all have

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Speaker 1: had some form of sordid past or aspect of their

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Speaker 1: personality that would be found lacking, And I just think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting where we draw the line and where we don't.

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Speaker 1: How old are you, Brianna, I'm twenty seven, all right,

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Speaker 1: so you're twenty seven. I and Buck, if you were here,

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Speaker 1: we're both huge history people. I was a history major.

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Speaker 1: I read everything I can about history. When you are

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Speaker 1: around people your own age, how much historical illiteracy do

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Speaker 1: you see? And second part of that, how much of

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Speaker 1: that feels almost intentional? Because if you can tear down

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Speaker 1: the heroes of American history, what you really allow is

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Speaker 1: for everything to be wiped clean. Because when you're saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we can point to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson

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Speaker 1: and say they own slaves, therefore their moral legitimacy is questioned,

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Speaker 1: then it starts to allow you to question the Declaration

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Speaker 1: of Independence and the Constitution and argue that America was

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Speaker 1: founded on a huge hill of lies. And so we

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Speaker 1: can just wipe clean of everything that the country has

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Speaker 1: been founded on. That feels historically like the goal.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the goal is to delegitimize the work of the founders.

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Speaker 5: In my generation in particular, you know, we've been indoctrinated

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Speaker 5: in public education and even higher education to a degree

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Speaker 5: where we're ashamed of our heritage and our ancestors. And

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Speaker 5: it's not always been like that. You know, you go

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Speaker 5: back to, you know, the seventies when Roberty Lee was

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Speaker 5: given his citizenship back and full that passed. I think

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Speaker 5: it was like four ten to three. It was some

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Speaker 5: massive margin because everybody Republican and Democrat understood that Roberty

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Speaker 5: Lee was significant for a few reasons, and it wasn't

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Speaker 5: so polarizing. You go to what was in nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 5: the movie Gettysburg came out. They portray Lee as an

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Speaker 5: unrepentant racist. At the end scene, he's being cheered on

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Speaker 5: by his soldiers as he goes to surrender. Right, And

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Speaker 5: so there was a consensus really up until the past

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Speaker 5: twenty years that there are some figures who have a

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Speaker 5: definitely complex path where some things were bad, and we

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Speaker 5: don't condone that. But nonetheless it doesn't take away from

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Speaker 5: the reason that we look up to them or at

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Speaker 5: least recognize their impact on America.

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Speaker 1: I want to write another book, and my last book

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Speaker 1: just came out, But I think what you're getting at

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Speaker 1: I've been kind of grappling with in my own head.

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Speaker 1: It's do we define people by their ceilings or their floors?

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Speaker 1: You know, do and a lot of times. And I

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Speaker 1: just came from a funeral of my uncle this week,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't have much of a floor. He had

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Speaker 1: a great ceiling. But if you go and watch a eulogy,

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Speaker 1: it almost always is this is what he or she achieved.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the positives. We don't marinate in the

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Speaker 1: awfulness of the failures that we have in our life.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the life. We like to define

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Speaker 1: people based on their ceilings. It seems to me that

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Speaker 1: the Democrat Party in general focuses on the floor of

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Speaker 1: American history the things that that they want to say

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Speaker 1: are the worst parts of our historic figures. And it

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Speaker 1: seems in general like Republicans tend to focus on the ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Is that metaphor out of line or do you think

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Speaker 1: there's some truth to it?

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Speaker 5: No, I think it's accurate. And let's think why does

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Speaker 5: the left focus on the worst of the worst. Because

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Speaker 5: the things that they care about, right, socialism, communism, that

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Speaker 5: it's fundamentally incompatible with small R republicanism. And if you

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Speaker 5: actually want to implement communism and socialism on a large scale.

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Speaker 5: You have to fundamentally reshape America. You have to get

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Speaker 5: rid of the Declaration, you have to get rid of

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Speaker 5: the Bill of Rights, you have to get rid of

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Speaker 5: the institutions and what underpins those institutions, which is Christianity,

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Speaker 5: to start fresh. So they have to focus on trying

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Speaker 5: to sour the sentiment of the American people by bashing

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Speaker 5: our heroes Jefferson Washington. Those are heroes, they should be revered,

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Speaker 5: and they are going to do this. I'm actually really

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Speaker 5: upset that we're coming into two fifty and I'm not

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Speaker 5: feeling as patriotic as I should be because there's so

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Speaker 5: many people that are trying to tear down the legacy

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Speaker 5: of our founders because they want to delegitimize that they

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Speaker 5: can replace.

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Speaker 1: Are you so you're talking about two fifty and I

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Speaker 1: think it is incredibly important because I wasn't around in

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Speaker 1: America two hundred. But for those of you out there

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Speaker 1: that remember nineteen seventy six, it seems like there was

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Speaker 1: a profound national spirit of optimism that came out of

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Speaker 1: that two hundredth Birthday celebration. Are you optimistic that next

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Speaker 1: year we can have something similar on America? To fifty

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Speaker 1: or do you think the Nicole Hannah Joneses of the

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Speaker 1: World and the sixteen nineteen project have been so successful

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Speaker 1: in tearing down American history that it's impossible to bring

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Speaker 1: everybody together.

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Speaker 5: I think the Overton window is shifting, and I'm glad

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Speaker 5: that President Trump is in office. I would like to

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Speaker 5: see some changes to be a board running the two

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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty celebrations because this is a time to

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Speaker 5: honor the founders. And I say this as someone who's

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm related too, Declaration of Independence definers. My

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Speaker 5: two sixth great grand uncles were militia met in the

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Speaker 5: battles of Lexington and Concord. My family thought this. They

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Speaker 5: live this, and honoring their legacy and everyone else's legacy

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Speaker 5: is so important to me because without their sacrifices, you

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Speaker 5: and I wouldn't be speaking today.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Brianna, how can people find you if they want

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Speaker 1: to see your content? And or maybe they got kids

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Speaker 1: and grandkids out there that are in your age bracket,

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Speaker 1: and maybe they're more likely to respond in a positive

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to be a patriot maxing, So if

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Speaker 5: You could find me on Twitter at Brian alignment too

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Speaker 5: or Instagram Brianna dot Lineman.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Hey, we appreciate the time. Have a good Christmas,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for fighting the good fight. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: saw you fighting history battles on social media, which I

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Speaker 1: make sure you've got a chance to talk with you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Marry Christmas. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: That's Brianna Lyman. That's fantastic. I mean history nerding out.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, when I see somebody just defending he's

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Speaker 1: the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who want a way in. I'll

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Speaker 1: take some of your calls. A lot of positivity coming

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Speaker 1: in from Brionna Lineman. I think Buck and I are

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Speaker 1: going to try to do in twenty twenty six as

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Speaker 1: a part of America. Two fifty more guests where we

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Speaker 1: can have sort of a history conversation with people out there,

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Speaker 1: so that you can share with your kids and your grandkids,

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Speaker 1: hopefully a little bit more historic knowledge. Because as a

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Speaker 1: college history major and a guy who thought about going

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Speaker 1: to get a PhD in history as one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite things to do. When they can control the way

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Speaker 1: we talk about history, I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have recognized how deletarious.

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Speaker 2: That impact is and how.

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Speaker 1: Destructive the goal is to try to undermine the entire

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Speaker 1: history of this country. Because again, if you can redefine,

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Speaker 1: as Nicole Hanna Jones did and the New York Times did,

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Speaker 1: the founding of this country in sixteen nineteen, when the

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Speaker 1: first slaves got here, as opposed to in seventeen seventy

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Speaker 1: six when we declared independence from England, then you can

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Speaker 1: argue that the entire country is a pit of despair

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Speaker 1: and awfulness and rotten at its core.

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Speaker 2: And so therefore all of.

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Speaker 1: American history deserves to be torn down, burned down and

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Speaker 1: replaced with something else. That is their goal. And two

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Speaker 1: point fifty in America gives us a great chance to

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Speaker 1: tell them no,