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Speaker 4: Fourteen Morning Combat. Hi, everybody, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 4: I am merely one half of your hosting duo, joined

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Speaker 4: by a shaved Brian can't no, wait a second, I

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Speaker 4: know that face. It's the iceman, Chuck Mindenhall. What's up,

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Speaker 4: Chuck benden Hall.

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Speaker 1: That BC takes a lot of vacations, man, but I'm

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Speaker 4: Well, we love you, welcome back. Nice to see you.

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Speaker 4: And I've asked it before the show. Were you weren't

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Speaker 1: I was in Miami early fight week before anybody else

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Speaker 4: If I can, first of all, hello, like and subscribe

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Speaker 4: It's easy to coast when you're living off the line,

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Speaker 4: At this point, he was a rugby player. He is

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Speaker 4: the reincarnation of Dan Gable. Now, obviously he's good at

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that there are identical comparisons for many,

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Speaker 4: Not a dominant punch right, not as fast as Zab

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Speaker 1: Y oh smarting thing can't be understated because you could

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Speaker 4: And I started off by asking about these questions, you know,

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Speaker 4: By the way, how'd you do on the betting?

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Speaker 1: You you degenerate?

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Speaker 7: So?

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked good.

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Speaker 6: You're right, he looked vintage vulcan But someone I think

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Speaker 6: It's like, dude, he's either going to get knocked out

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Speaker 1: Tonight, but I thought he looked great. I thought our

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Speaker 1: I hated it. Now, well, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: Everyone else is like d he did a great job.

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Speaker 1: He did not. He did not. However, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: Hold on, there is a bit of a separate conversation Lopez,

432
00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,680
Speaker 4: excuse me, I'm sorry, Volkanovski and Aldo. And now it's

433
00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,800
Speaker 4: re raising these questions because again, as I just mentioned,

434
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 4: he broke these kind of two barriers that had held

435
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 4: up against all relevant weight glasses in the fifty five

436
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 4: and downcase for the thirty five and over stat how

437
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,120
Speaker 4: do you evaluate who the best for the Waight ever.

438
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 1: Is it's tough because of the Max Holloway kind of exchange. Right, yeah,

439
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 1: and this also Vulcan beat Aldo too. I know true,

440
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 1: that is true, but you know, toward the end, I

441
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 1: don't want to put too many asterisks on all those

442
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: things he did beat him. And you also have to

443
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,680
Speaker 1: look up both guys are handling themselves that have passed

444
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 1: a certain age the thirty five mark of for instance, well,

445
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,639
Speaker 1: now Vulk kind of moves into another space because he

446
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 1: was able to now navigate it and come back and

447
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 1: win the belt the second time. I don't want to

448
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 1: be one of those dudes who just dismisses although you

449
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because for the longest time he

450
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 1: stood as just such like, what was it like nine

451
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 1: years he was undefeated. I think it was almost ten,

452
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 1: almost ten. He had nine defenses. If you go back

453
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 1: to WEC, I think he had a couple of there,

454
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,440
Speaker 1: and then all of those for like the first seven

455
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 1: in the UFC he was mister featherweight. And some of

456
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: those fights, man, were just so vicious. And you've been

457
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,879
Speaker 1: watching him forever there was something about him that really

458
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: was like good luck man. So when Connor mcgre The

459
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,199
Speaker 1: reason Connor McGregor that thing was so huge because we

460
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,719
Speaker 1: couldn't conceive of that happening to Jose Although, you know,

461
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: I think down the stretch beyond that is probably where

462
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 1: it gets murky, because although is not able to say

463
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: he's been fine, like he's had some good fights and

464
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: he's still fighting, is still making a career, but at

465
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: the same time, he never really kind of recaptured that

466
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: that mystique, whereas Vulk just did. I think if Volk

467
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: is able to kind of run this a little ways,

468
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: maybe have a defense or two, I would have no

469
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 1: problem call him the best. That's how good he is.

470
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 1: I think he's that good now where he's at least

471
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: in the conversation. I was always hesitant to put him

472
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 1: in that all those sphere because I have so much

473
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 1: respect for what he did, although that it seemed kind

474
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 1: of impossible, But I think Vulk is now on that

475
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: cusp of passing him.

476
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm taking a cop out here because

477
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 4: I'm splitting the difference, which is to me, like when

478
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 4: we're evaluating who the best ever is in a weight class,

479
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 4: that the answer is going to be down to weight

480
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 4: class dominance, and obviously Aldo has had some losses since

481
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 4: his peak.

482
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: But to the point you raised, I watched every fight

483
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,719
Speaker 1: I've watched Aldo. When he fought Pcano Nogera, wow, who

484
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: the fuck saw that one? I saw that one.

485
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 4: I did not see that one right, and he beat

486
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 4: the shit out of him. And Keno Nogara had a

487
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 4: lot of hype coming in the fight because he had

488
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 4: one of the nasty guillotines and was this, you know,

489
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 4: hype prospect coming out of Brazil. And Aldo smashed him

490
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 4: and then went on one of the most legendary runs

491
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: I've ever seen a fighter go on. It's hard for

492
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 4: me to overlook that, but I will say this. You know,

493
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 4: Aldo had amazing leg kicks, and you know what, Aldo

494
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: was just, you know, a primo level athlete when he

495
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: was at his peak. And Volcus too, but not the

496
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 4: kind of explosive, like springy, like feline like you know

497
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 4: Yoel Romero athlete in the way that.

498
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: That Mendez knock out where he went like went into

499
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: the crowd afterwards in Brazil. Yeah, he didn't have he

500
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: doesn't have that. But in terms of the thing we

501
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: mentioned seeing the code in the game, I think folk

502
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: is the most talented featherweight I've ever seen. I think

503
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: he's that.

504
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 4: I think he's like the guy I've never seen a

505
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 4: guy who can master the It's not just strategy, Yeah,

506
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: it's not just tactics. It's not just the specific skills.

507
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: It's the manipulation of the conditions under which they are engaging. Yes,

508
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 4: and that are so difficult to do.

509
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: And in a world and I mean obviously the parody

510
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 1: I guess, or the well roundedness of guys who now

511
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: train in all disciplines and get good at everything volt's

512
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: beIN in that era, that's a lot tougher. I know that,

513
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to like that's what makes it

514
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: hard sometimes to do like who's better this guy or

515
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: this guy? Although fought the best guys, some of those

516
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: guys were beasts, you know, and seem like they would

517
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: have his number. Like Mendes felt like one of those

518
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: guys who might have his number, just the way he fought,

519
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 1: but he couldn't beat him. But you look at like

520
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: Vulk and some of the guys he's beating, especially in

521
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: the in the trilogy obviously with Holloway, just the way

522
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: that he got better in those trilogies, and when Max

523
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: is a cerebral fight himself, I mean, that's got to

524
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: stand for something, man. And the fact that Max went

525
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: on to have post yeah, post vulgar glory exactly, you

526
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he wasn't. He didn't. He didn't

527
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: just ride off into the sunset. That guy got back

528
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: on the wall. True, you know, so it ages extremely well, right,

529
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, but although I give him, give

530
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: him his flowers, for as long as he stayed in

531
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: there and all those you know, we we think about

532
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: this a lot with GSP. It takes a lot to

533
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: stay in there for nine title defenses. Man, we just

534
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: talked about deluding yourself. That's what happens a lot of

535
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: these guys. They think they're invincible at some point. Somehow

536
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: his upbringing and everything over and you know, the coaches

537
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: and everybody who was around at Nova and Yao and

538
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: his story kept him grounded to just show up in

539
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: the most vicious form every time I think VOLC is there.

540
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: But I mean you you have to kind of look

541
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: at it from two different prisms, right, yeah.

542
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 4: I mean the thing for Aldo is like, Aldo's the

543
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 4: kind of guy I don't want to say he doesn't

544
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 4: have high level skill. Obviously he's got extraordinary skill, but

545
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 4: he's a little bit more stand a post and then

546
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 4: welcome attacks. Yeah, whereas Vulcan is like, right, so we're

547
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 4: not going to play that game. The game we're going

548
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 4: to play is I'm going to define the terms of

549
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 4: engagement and you are going to responds. It's a completely

550
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 4: different order of fighting, all right. With that being said,

551
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: we have to talk. Oh by the way, actually we

552
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 4: have Volk paying respect to Aldo. Let's let's see that

553
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: this point.

554
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 8: You know, it's been talked about many times over the years,

555
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 8: like the featherweight goat discussion and where you fit in.

556
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 8: I know you've kind of always deferred it to other

557
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 8: people to talk about that. But with this win tonight,

558
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 8: you now trail Jose Aldo by just one title fight victory,

559
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 8: and for so long that record felt unattainable. Right, if

560
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 8: you can have the second title reign, get a defense

561
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 8: something he did not do, do you think that closes

562
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 8: the discussion?

563
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 5: Again, that's not not up to me. I'll might just

564
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 5: keep doing what I'm doing. I got this new title

565
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 5: rain and yeah put it so I'll just make a

566
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 5: half of people to not choose me. I guess you

567
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 5: know what I mean then you know, so I'll just

568
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 5: it's not me. I'm not going to call for anything.

569
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 5: Aldo is an absolute legend. He's done great things. I

570
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 5: know I've done great things for absolute legends.

571
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 7: You know.

572
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 5: The the resume I have is a pretty impressive, same

573
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 5: as the Aldos. But I mean that, you know, he's

574
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 5: obviously had so many defenses. I'd love to get that many.

575
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 5: But yeah, having luck in a free winds over Max

576
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 5: and all that is just bloody. That's That's what's something

577
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: that I'm like, Do I need so many defenses?

578
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

579
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 5: But we'll get the defenses and and then we'll see.

580
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: But again, now that I don't like talking about it

581
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: because I've got so much respect for al though. When

582
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 5: I say he's Ago, because that's the respect I have.

583
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 5: And I'll let other people choose you.

584
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: They think, Yeah, pretty fair.

585
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like I like the I like the That's

586
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 4: a good way to split the difference there. Yeah, all right,

587
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 4: let's talk about Diego Lopez here for oh, you know

588
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. We'll get to we'll come back to

589
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 4: Vulcan just a minute. Let's talk about Diego Lopez. I

590
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: fucking hated this performance from him. Now, understanding he's up

591
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 4: against a technical marvel, you know, we have to be forgiving,

592
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to be forgiving. Can I tell you

593
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: what bothered me so much about this performance?

594
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: All right? Number one glasses? Because I was just watching

595
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: this like so frustrated.

596
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, even if he had made some of the adjustments

597
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 4: that I wish he had, it still would not have

598
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: been any kind of guarantee of victory. Because again, you're

599
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: talking about a guy in Vulk who is a master

600
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 4: engagement manipulator. Right, He's gonna manipulate the terms like we're

601
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 4: never gonna fight fifty to fifty, We're always gonna fight.

602
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 4: He's gonna make Yeah, so like understanding that that's the game.

603
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: But there is something that Vulk does and you have

604
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: to challenge it in order to win, otherwise you simply

605
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: have no shot. And this is something that we saw

606
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 4: in the third Holloway fight in particular, and in this

607
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: one as well. Vulk uses space stepping circling as a

608
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: way to get you to follow and chase. Not just that,

609
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: but as you follow in chase, he begins to set

610
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: up different attacks and then builds differences from there based

611
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 4: on what you're giving him, and then everything begins to flow.

612
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: He circled Diego Lopez. There were times where he was

613
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: cage cutting himself, but he mostly circled and had Diego

614
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 4: Lopez following him. So, first of all, people being like

615
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: like vulk Ran, the people who say vulk Ran, I'm

616
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: trying to be as nice as I can. You're a

617
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 4: fucking idiot. You're a fucking idiot. You have zero clue

618
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: about what you're looking at that I just cannot state

619
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: that any clear. Secondly, as he circles, I'm trying to

620
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: explain what the importance is if I if you and

621
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: I are on fifty to fifty right and I take

622
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 4: a step over, you have to take time to follow,

623
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 4: because obviously I don't want you to create an angle

624
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: on me. So he does this with a system. Again,

625
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: there's it's not just sidestepping. It's it's up, it's high low.

626
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: It's I reach with the jab, I touch with the glove,

627
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: I might switch stands with it. It's got a whole system.

628
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 4: But as he creates these angles, Lopez is starting to

629
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: follow the whole time. And when he does there's a

630
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: little window where he has no defense, and this is

631
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 4: where he's getting popped with the jab, this is where

632
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 4: he's getting hit with the leg kick. This is where

633
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 4: he's building this entire attack he's making. Every time he

634
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: does that, he's making diego reset, reset, reset, You're literally

635
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 4: constantly resetting having to do this, and he never adjusted

636
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 4: for it once.

637
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Better in his corner than his corner, just saying, get

638
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: more aggressive, Dean Dean Thomas.

639
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: I went back and I watched the fight. Dean Thomas,

640
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: who I love, shouts to Dean Dean Thomas after the

641
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 4: first round. You know how the commentary booth goes to him,

642
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: and the commentary booth is like, all right, Dean, what

643
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 4: are you seeing. He's like, you know, going slow, like

644
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 4: this technique for technique, I don't know if you're gonna

645
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 4: beat He saw it in the first five minutes. And

646
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, guys, how did you not know this was

647
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: gonna be something? And again, how you solved that problem?

648
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: There's there's a there's a bunch of different ways to

649
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: do it, but that he didn't even.

650
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: Fucking attempt it. It's like, dude, I don't know how

651
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: to explain this. It is like trying to go scuba

652
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: diving with you know, half a tank. You're just automatically

653
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: starting off before you go underwater with a complete deficiency.

654
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: What did you make of this?

655
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 4: Because I saw people saying, Hey, his stock rose with

656
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: this performance. I'm not here to say I'm gonna I'm

657
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: gonna like smash it down. That would not be fair,

658
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: he thought, a very very historical talented guy, It sure

659
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: as fuck didn't go up for me stuck.

660
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: Maybe. Look so I think people see it from this

661
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: from the aspect of, well, he was able to show

662
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: that he if he can just land that shot like

663
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: he's dangerous, right, and he was able to hang in

664
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: there like he was able to knock him down, and

665
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: he had the moment in the fourth I'm guessing that's

666
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: where it comes from. But I'm with you. There was

667
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: no suspense because you could see those patterns that you've

668
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: eloquently put out, you could see them developing, and you

669
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: could see there was really no response coming. And I

670
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: think did you they kept they They did kind of

671
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: zoom in on his corner a little bit. It was

672
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: really surprising that there wasn't more technical talk that way,

673
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: like there was. I didn't hear it. Maybe you heard it.

674
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anybody saying, you know, hey, stop doing this,

675
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: start doing this whatever. I didn't hear that.

676
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: Well, how many times can you remember Volkanovsky? He would

677
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 4: purposely kind of circle with his back towards the case.

678
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 4: Not every time, It would depend on this, dude. Sometimes

679
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 4: here's what he does. He'll fade into the power hand

680
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 4: of Lopez. Right, Lopez would foddow him, but now Lopez

681
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: is creating space behind him, and then he'd go back

682
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: to the counter clock while circling, he would retake center.

683
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: He would let him have it. Dude, how are you

684
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: going to beat someone technically superior if you are consistently

685
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 4: for twenty five minutes surrendering position. Yeah, it cannot be

686
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: done unless you get lucky, I think. And the second

687
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 4: round he got a little close. But like you're waiting

688
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: for Vulk to make a mistake, Vulk is making you

689
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: make mistakes. Big fucking difference is it?

690
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: When you see something like this from a technical aspect,

691
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: do you say, like, how did you not know that

692
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: Vulcan is going to do this? Like when you're watching

693
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: this unfold? Because I feel like what started to develop there,

694
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: and what you're describing is one of those things. You

695
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: could see him doing this in previous fights. It's not

696
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: like this was new that he the progressions that he'd

697
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: go through to set things up, but it didn't feel

698
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: like Diego kind of was prepared for that, which is

699
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: kind of nic I talked to Anthony Pettis after he

700
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: knocked out Steven WonderBoy. Tom said, which a lot of

701
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: people forget that actually happened, but he did, it was

702
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: a vicious KO in his first one seventy fight. Was yeah, yeah, Yeah,

703
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: it was a vicious KO.

704
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: And I actually asked him like, hey, how come you

705
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: weren't cage cutting what he told me at the time,

706
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 4: because he was following right. He wanted to do that

707
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: on purpose, So that was purposeful. And the reason why

708
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: he did it is because he felt like when you

709
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: pressure wonder Boy, you would you would for him, you

710
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: would get into scenarios he just didn't want to be in,

711
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: Okay that he thought were too risky, so he actually

712
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: felt like following and then following a little bit, even

713
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: though even though he would be playing catch up positionally,

714
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: he would have the speed advantage being the naturally smaller guy.

715
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't make a big difference. Now, it didn't

716
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: quite work out that way in the end, except he

717
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: was able to finally land the big bomb.

718
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all as well as that ends.

719
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: Well, the point I'm trying to make is there can

720
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: obviously be scenarios where you want to follow like that,

721
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: of course, but after fucking twenty minutes of it, you're

722
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: still doing it in the fifth round, I don't know

723
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: what the end. And it's like people think when I

724
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: make this argument that I'm like, I'm making myself out

725
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: to be some kind of tape watching genius.

726
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: Quite the opposite.

727
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: It's actually, if a dumb ass like me, I'm like,

728
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: you can't do this like this just is a This

729
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: is a very suboptimal way to compete. How is it

730
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: they aren't seeing that? That's the one that drives me

731
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: fucking insane.

732
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: So I take it you don't want to see the

733
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: rematch If it's cheers on the pipe, what is the point?

734
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: What is the point?

735
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what how Volk's gonna how much

736
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: longer he's gonna last doing this? And I don't know

737
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: what the answer is, But oh my god, I hated

738
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: this performance from him.

739
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Now, he had a couple of.

740
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 4: Nice things that he did that uppercut. The uppercuts were nice.

741
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: Obviously you get hit. There's the other part too. I

742
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: interviewed Ivan Flores it either was I think it was

743
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: after the Gaatechee Win. This is the striking coach of

744
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: Max Halloween. And I asked him, Hey, like this movement

745
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: that Vulk did in the third fight, like, what was

746
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: so troubling about that? And his answer was, you know,

747
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: the circling didn't help, and blah blah blah. But it

748
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: was at Volco's first and third he'll either throw something

749
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: or faint something, get a reaction, and then he goes

750
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 4: third and he was doing that constantly to Diego Lopitz

751
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: And I'm like, guys, how did you not know this

752
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 4: is what he was going to do. I mean, so

753
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: then shoot a takedown and obviously Volke might stuff it

754
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: pull guard. I don't know, I'm not listen. Yeah, something

755
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: some disruption. Some you mentioned him being a master disruptor

756
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: in terms of Volkanowski. Yes, you would have to return that.

757
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: You have to return the favor. If you let him

758
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: have this, you're fighting at a disadvantage of the entire time,

759
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 4: it just drove me nuts. And so to me, it's like,

760
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: I'm not going to back on him, because how many

761
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: guys can do what Vulk does. Brian Ortega is just

762
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 4: going to run right into your punches. It looks like

763
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: when you know, in the case of bing O Lopez,

764
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: it literally happened, but Volk is a special case.

765
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's Ortega almost got a

766
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: submission of Volkanowski. It's sometimes a strange game is.

767
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: A funny mat But the thing for me is like,

768
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: because Volk is such a unique case, I'm not going

769
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: to dock Lopez too much, but I am going to

770
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: kind of re evaluate exactly how high I might place

771
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: him in terms of his upside because this was one

772
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 4: of his performances that to me was just like.

773
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: You got a long way to go. Well, that old

774
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: win or learn type thing and guys saying that, you know,

775
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: we learn more from our losses than we do from

776
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: our victories. I think this would be the prime example

777
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: of that, because all what you're mentioning is, you know,

778
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: in a game of chess and you're out there trying

779
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: to play checkers, it's a it's a it's a learning experience,

780
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: and you would hope that Diego will take from it

781
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: like a little bit more of a sophisticated approach to it. Right. Yeah,

782
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: Well there's some work to be done. Yea.

783
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: BC is texting me, he's watching, he's watching from San Diego,

784
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: and he said, this is what his He's with his

785
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: family obviously, and his son goes Dad Luke Share does

786
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: swear a lot.

787
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hell yeah.

788
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: Realizing that, huh, very quickly, Lopez put out a statement,

789
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: if we could put it on the screen, we'll read

790
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: it here, if you could take off the lower third.

791
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: Always with my head held high, I mean obviously it's

792
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: translated I think from Spanish or Portuguese, a smile on

793
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: my face. I fell short last night. I failed in

794
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: a few things. I'll get back to work, improve, correct

795
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 4: the mistakes and move forward. Thank you to thank you

796
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: for all your support. As I always say, nothing happens,

797
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: I don't quite I don't know if that quite translating

798
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 4: hand to English in the way that it might be

799
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 4: very nihilistic approach. I'm like playing things happen. Just what

800
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 4: just happened in the bathroom, I mean it was a disaster.

801
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: Last thing.

802
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: Do you have a clear sense of who you want

803
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: Vork to fight next. Very quickly, let's see it. Vork said, Hey,

804
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: molfts are whoever. But you know he wants to be

805
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: fair to the process and see what he says.

806
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, look great.

807
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 5: As I was saying that, I'm like, you know, people

808
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: you know talking about a million dollar fight and you

809
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: know all this stuff, I'm like, man, just you got

810
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: a tough, tough guy ahead of you. Man, just to

811
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 5: focus on that. You get a good performance, all right,

812
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 5: you might get the shot. Uh yeah that he was saying,

813
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: get the title shot. Look, he's a good dude. I

814
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 5: like him a lot. If the UFC I want to

815
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 5: give it to him, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna

816
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 5: stop the you know, I ain't gonna stop that for him.

817
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: But I'll be honest, I did before that fight. I

818
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 5: didn't think if he won, he would be getting shot.

819
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 5: Like I'll be honest that that didn't come to my mind.

820
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: But now that he's calling, like, I'm not going to

821
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: be the one to say no, I'm going to leave

822
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 5: everything to the UFC. Obviously you've got guys up Mozvar

823
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: who's undefeated. That's I mean, I'd love to take that zero,

824
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like, we've got to see

825
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 5: what the UFC say. I heard, you know, I've seen

826
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 5: him trying to get other fights. I don't know, is

827
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: that right?

828
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Like there was rumors that he was going to faight.

829
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 5: I even heard even seen him tweeting that he wants

830
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 5: to fight someone in May and doing all this sort

831
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 5: of stuff. So maybe he's had the chats and they

832
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 5: want him to have one more fight. I don't know,

833
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 5: So I don't know that situation, but I'll see how

834
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 5: things are. I'd love to say you and I told

835
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 5: you I don't want to get straight back in there.

836
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 5: I still do, but I'm going to have to maybe

837
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 5: look at a couple of things.

838
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems to think you would go to Mexico to

839
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: fight him in that big Guadalajara show in September.

840
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: Is that something you'd be willing to do September?

841
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 5: I mean, if everything's good, I'd probably like to go

842
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: soon quicker than that, and be honest, because that's probably

843
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: the second fight, So maybe it can be. You know,

844
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 5: if I'm good, maybe I get the fight maybe July

845
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 5: September where we can make most val you know what

846
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 5: I mean, You take if they want to do that,

847
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: if they want to quickly go and I feel good,

848
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 5: maybe quick turnaround with busted hands. I said, that's that

849
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 5: was my plan, my bang.

850
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: But you gets the idea. Who will give a preference

851
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: if he wanted to fight. I love that he's making

852
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: like a tour. I think. I think that's great. And

853
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: he's not even worried about the Mexico element of that,

854
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: by the way, like like I go into the that's great.

855
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they should make that fight next. I

856
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: think the most most far fight makes the most sense

857
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: because you know, how do you deny him at this point?

858
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: You know he's deserved it. I think that would be

859
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: a very compelling fight, just given watching the two guys stylistically,

860
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: I think that'd be the best fight I would do

861
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah year versus uh two Yeah yeah, because if they

862
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: if they both want to hold off until September, that's

863
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: the fight to make.

864
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: I'm with you a little bit, like, don't get me wrong,

865
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: because of how matchmaking works and how the calendar works,

866
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: Vulk might end up fighting Yeah Year next in September.

867
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: I guess we'll but like that that is not a

868
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: pay per view, is it.

869
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: I guess it is it is it's a it's a

870
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 4: it's an announced paper view.

871
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Okay, as long as it's a pay per view, then

872
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: that could happen. But I thought for some reason it

873
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: was a fight night, so then they might do that.

874
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: But I still think that the heat, I mean watching

875
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: this part of this card, the part of the heat

876
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: went to Yayir versus Diego. I mean that's kind of

877
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: what they built, so you got to capitalize on that. Yeah.

878
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 4: I mean the thing for me is like I rewatched

879
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 4: the first fight to prepare for Saturday.

880
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I rewatched Yayar and Vulcan. Vulcan seven takedowns. It was

881
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: it was like seven takes then he held. He had

882
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: a like seven seven or eight minutes control time pillar

883
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: to post. I don't have a big interest to eat

884
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: him everywhere.

885
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, I don't know what has changed,

886
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: and it was just a one fight win streak to me.

887
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: You know, Lopez just came off the title fight. Give

888
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: him your surging and you can kind of sort that.

889
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that, I guess we'll see.

890
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 4: I want to remind everyone, Hey, now is a good

891
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: time to remember where Tequila's story truly began In seventeen

892
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: ninety five, Quervo invented tequila. Since then, Cuervo has stayed

893
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 4: true to its roots, the same family, the same land,

894
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: and the same passion. Two hundred and thirty years later,

895
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 4: we're still there in every port, in every margarita, in

896
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: every celebration. So enjoy the tequila that started it all, Quervo,

897
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: the tequila that invented tequila. Proxymote Cuervo dot com. Please

898
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 4: drink responsibly.

899
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: See that's what hurts about coming in on the Monday show. Yeah,

900
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: if it's the Friday Show, we have the bottles right here.

901
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: They takeing care of us. I do love those I

902
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 4: do love Cuervo. It's been great. Next time, next time. Well,

903
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 4: you know, listen, we could always drink in a Monday too.

904
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: I could just be a terrible mother. Yeah, just come

905
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: home hammered. My wife would just have to tolerate it.

906
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: I suppose. All right.

907
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 4: With that in mind, let's move down the cart if

908
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: we can't because there is so much meat on his

909
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: bone to chew. One, let's talk about now topic number

910
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 4: two in the co main event. Oh, I've got some

911
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: crota eight chuckmand and all Pattie Pemblet. He didn't just

912
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: defeat Michael Chandler, he big brothered him en route to

913
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 4: a third round kind of vicious stoppage. If I do

914
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 4: say so myself, Chuck, this was by far the best

915
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: performance by Patty, and certainly on the biggest stage. Is

916
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: it time for critics of Patty Pimblet to admit he's

917
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: a legitimate title threat?

918
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: Chandler's washed. That might also be true. You know how

919
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: that that that kicked up immediately though, as soon as

920
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: this this this fight happened, Kay, Chandler did look bad

921
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: talk about that. I think so because this has been

922
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: a kind of escalation, I guess for Pimblet. And he's

923
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: went through the last two guys, like you know, Bobby

924
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: king Green like he's supposed to maybe maybe we're gonna

925
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: have to see him put in some deep wire. Nope,

926
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: didn't happen. And then he goes into this one and

927
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: like you said, it was like a big brother ing right,

928
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: Like he just did you ever feel like he was

929
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: in trouble in this fight. Every time there was a scramble,

930
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: it felt like he was big brother and like he

931
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: would just end up in a in the dominant position

932
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: and uh and just kind of squaring off on him

933
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: and nobody really, I mean, not too many dudes do

934
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: this to Chandler, whether he's washed or not, not too

935
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: many dudes do this. He made him look bad, you know,

936
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: he made him look bad, and I think it is

937
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: time for the UFC to take him serious. I said

938
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: going into this, I'm like, if Pimblett is able to

939
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of do this kind of performance, it's not just

940
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: in the mixture. You could put him against any of

941
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: those guys because he's the big enough name, right Like

942
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: they've had other guys that they've they've kind of like

943
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: expedited into big, big fights. They could do that if

944
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: they wanted right now. Or they could go to justin

945
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: Gaegee Route, a guy who's kind of hovering in that

946
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: top space still and would make sense. But like they

947
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: could put him against Ilia, they could do anything that

948
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: they wanted right now.

949
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: Dana White is uh, excuse me, don't have the wrong clip.

950
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: We'll skip that one. Let's bring in Long Island, Luke.

951
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 4: Long Island, Luke. We talked about this before the show. Okay,

952
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 4: how are we supposed to interpret Patty? And what I

953
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 4: mean by that is I started out when he came

954
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: to the UFC. I'm like, he's got nearly twenty fights

955
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: and he's not any good. You know, I was very

956
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 4: dismissive of him, But.

957
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: Dude, he's legitimately improved. My question is, was the skepticism

958
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: about him when he first got to the UFC justified.

959
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 6: Skepticism is definitely fair. I watched like Patty's last maybe

960
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 6: five or six Cage Warriors fights. I used to have

961
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 6: to do that, and uh, dude, he definitely lost to

962
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 6: Juliana Ross. He also threw up in the cage after

963
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 6: that fight. Uh, he lost the sore and back. That's

964
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 6: an actual loss. There was times in Cage Warriors where

965
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 6: he looked human, so you think, oh, now he steps

966
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: it up to the UFC, he's definitely going to look human.

967
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: But he looked damn impressive.

968
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 6: But I don't want to jump on the Chandler's wash bandwagon,

969
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 6: but not exactly facing the real top ten, if you

970
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 6: know what I mean.

971
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I need one more fight.

972
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 6: I need him versus armin or Charles, but not.

973
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: Money, but you know what, that's fine, But dude, when

974
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 4: he was fighting the whoever that the Luigi Vertial whatever,

975
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 4: the guy's.

976
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Name was Luigi Vendrom. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's

977
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: a nice guy, but like when he was fighting that

978
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: level of competition and he got he got kind of

979
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: rocked in that fight immediately, remember, and I was like.

980
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 4: I was like, this guy, there's a there's a video

981
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: floating around of me where I was doing some postfight

982
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: show and someone asked, this is years ago, so this

983
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 4: is like, you know, when they were both relatively new

984
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: to the UFC, and someone was like, what about uh,

985
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 4: Patty versus Ilia Taporia?

986
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, put him in front of remember

987
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: you saying this.

988
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 4: And at the time I felt very confident in that,

989
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 4: And for years after, I felt confident in that, and

990
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: I would still pick. No, I would still pick, but

991
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 4: I have to take that's a different fight today. That's

992
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: a completely different fight today, no question about it. Like,

993
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 4: are you surprised how good he's gotten?

994
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: I think he has gotten better, That's what. That's the thing.

995
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: He came in with a lot of hype and we

996
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: were talking about deluding yourself earlier. He seemed like one

997
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: of those guys was going to be very susceptible to

998
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: deluding himself into being a bad fighter. At some point

999
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: that hasn't happened. He's actually met the escalation and the

1000
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, the brighter spotlights really well. He's looked better

1001
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: than he has in the first bunch of fights in

1002
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: his last two against better competition. So is he one

1003
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: of those risers who like it's when it gets, you know,

1004
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: the biggest stakes, the more he dials in and the

1005
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: more he knows what to do. It could be the case.

1006
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: And I think you got to kind of if you're

1007
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: the UFC, you got to play that out as far

1008
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: as it go. I still don't know how he'd do

1009
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: against the guy like Topoory, I know. I mean I

1010
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: still suspect it would go the way that you initially did.

1011
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that'd be a great fight for him.

1012
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: But could he beat Geechee? Like these are the questions

1013
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: I had before, And uh, that's not possible to even

1014
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: think of it, I know, but I would have probably

1015
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: said no, Geiche would buzz so him. But now I'm

1016
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: sort of like, might be a bad matchup for Geigee.

1017
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's how much he's improved, Like, it's it's

1018
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: become a different scenario for him. He was always good

1019
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: at the back, he's gotten now. He's not just good

1020
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: at the back. He's good at transitioning the back to

1021
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: three quarter mount to ground and pound two mount itself,

1022
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like he's got a whole

1023
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: system there. But dude, how about on the feet the

1024
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: There are times in fights where people say to me,

1025
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: so and so got kicked in the leg.

1026
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: You know, shouldn't that count for something? And my answer

1027
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 4: to that is, well, of course it has to matter

1028
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: to some degree. But here's what I'm looking for, Chuck.

1029
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: If we're fighting and you kick me in the leg

1030
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: and I start limping, or I change stances, or my

1031
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: offense kind of hurries up because I am now under threat,

1032
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: That to me is a sign it's working if you're

1033
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 4: kicking me in the leg and it's not deterring me

1034
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: in any way. I have a hard time knowing the.

1035
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: Value his leg kicks had immediate effect on challenges immediately.

1036
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: They never seem to want to give credit to those

1037
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: leg kicks. You know, it's like the least glaring thing

1038
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: for people to pick up on. But man, when you

1039
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: see it effective like that, it does change. It doesn't

1040
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: It changes everything.

1041
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: And it's not just that he had Chandler right at

1042
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: the end of his punches so often. And then how

1043
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: about this timing that knee on the entry waiting for him, dude,

1044
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: that's good timing, that's good anticipation. These are hards that

1045
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 4: they make it look so easy. These are very difficult

1046
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 4: skills to learn. And also to teach a young fighter

1047
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: to leave their feet like that is not everyone is

1048
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 4: kind of suited for it.

1049
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you he's fucking good. Patty Temblet is good.

1050
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: Can you believe it?

1051
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 7: I can't.

1052
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: It's true. Did you think he lost the Gordon fight?

1053
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: That happened like a couple or six so, I mean

1054
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: the criticism was in things like this, you know, well

1055
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: he couldn't even clear that hurdle, although he did in

1056
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia sense like he won the fight. I think

1057
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: people have just been kind of stuck on him, saying

1058
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: like I don't think he has beyond like a you know,

1059
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: like maybe right at top fifteen, you know, maybe that's

1060
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: his ceiling, but obviously he's went right through that. It's

1061
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: now fun. And you know, this is an era we

1062
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: talk about this a lot where you're like, who are

1063
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: the stars in the UFC? Who are these guys. He

1064
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: certainly could be one, and that's why, that's why you

1065
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: almost think that the UFC would play him against a

1066
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: guy like Gaye che Nicks and not feed him to

1067
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 1: like a guy like Armand or somebody like that who

1068
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: could kind of steal the armand our arma is I

1069
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: would pick Arman to win, But you think it'd be

1070
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: a close fight. I think that on the ground Patty

1071
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: can give himself. It is an interesting thing. I can't

1072
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: believe I'm saying that shit. I know that that's what

1073
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like it's a completely different perception right than

1074
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: we were like a year ago, and especially after this

1075
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: last fight. He not does he not look big to

1076
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: you in this way? He look huge.

1077
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: His traps are like ridiculous. I couldn't believe, how can

1078
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 4: he be watching when he first gets to the UFC.

1079
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 4: You know he's in shape, but he looks relative to

1080
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: how he is now a little scrawny.

1081
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1082
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: So it's not just like did his game get better.

1083
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: He physically matured and like like leaned into it, and

1084
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: it's just paid dividends the whole way through.

1085
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: And correct me if I'm wrong. He's not like people

1086
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: sometimes think that he's like twenty something, but he's like

1087
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: thirty now, isn't he Like I think he's thirty now

1088
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: I can double check that. I mean, so it's not

1089
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: like I mean he's he should be, you know, It's

1090
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: just he had this boyish looks, but he should be

1091
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: in his prime writing about now thirty. He just turned thirty,

1092
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: just kind of coming into his crime. So I mean,

1093
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But it does feel like he

1094
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: kind of grew into his body and he looked huge

1095
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: in there against I mean massive compared to him.

1096
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 4: M let's talk about who makes the most sense next.

1097
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 4: For Patty pimblet Let's do it this way. We got

1098
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: a couple of comments from Patty, Let's go to this one. First,

1099
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: Patty is.

1100
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: Not even thinking about Taporia, called him irrelevant.

1101
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 8: And then one day down the line, we get the

1102
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 8: pressed to her with the Eliot.

1103
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: SUPPORTA, oh yeah, yeah, we want that. I forgot some

1104
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: Echinillian Lakay. To be honest, that's how irrelevant he is

1105
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 1: in my life.

1106
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 7: I forgot to even mention el you did, so you

1107
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 7: know what I mean, I didn't even think of him.

1108
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 7: I'm run higher than him at lightweight.

1109
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's set stopped texting me. That's experience. So

1110
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: there's that one.

1111
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: The next one is Patty says he's more conf Excuse me,

1112
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: Patty is confident he's got better subs than ola Vera.

1113
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: Let me hear that one.

1114
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 7: I didn't feel tired one bit on Chandler was blown

1115
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 7: out of his ass, So I don't think I would

1116
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 7: to put on a much beds of performance.

1117
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: To be honest.

1118
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: Dan was here and we asked him, you know, is

1119
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: is does Patty get one more fight and then he's

1120
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: a title contender? And Dana said, well, this was a

1121
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: big win, so he could be a good title contender.

1122
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: Right now.

1123
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: You named a few guys there you would want to fight.

1124
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: He also said you wouldn't mind fighting Charles Oliver in

1125
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: Abu Dhabi. So is that the plan?

1126
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: One more fight title shot for you? I hope? So?

1127
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 7: Well, what I mean I do I want to I

1128
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 7: want to be a oil champion. I've always said that

1129
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 7: I am going to be a WIL champion. I'm beating

1130
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 7: a former champion like Charles Oliveda. We've got two title defenses.

1131
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 7: He gets go with the best submission. As to the UFC,

1132
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 7: he's ever seen. So I'd love to go up against

1133
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 7: that because I think I've got better submissions and Charles oliveda.

1134
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: Last one for me one year from now. Do you

1135
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: think you have the UFC title?

1136
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: I full of hope.

1137
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 7: So six Cloud, I want that Ballatopha Robbie Waist.

1138
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 4: He's got he's got Oliver, he's got nerve, Yeah, he's

1139
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 4: got moxie and now he's got size and ability.

1140
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1141
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is a great thing for the

1142
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: lightweight division, is it not? Chuck? Yes? And that Oliver

1143
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: a fight especial she considering there's the two guys who

1144
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: are submission artists and know what to do on the ground. Like,

1145
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: this has got to be your wet dream, right, Like

1146
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: this is like you want to see that fight.

1147
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 4: I just, to be perfectly honest, I just want to

1148
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: see him tested against anybody in the top five.

1149
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't fight so so so.

1150
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: I have a weird This is like the one like

1151
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 4: weird part about my fandom. I'm like a hardcore fight fan,

1152
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 4: and I have been almost all my life. Yeah, I

1153
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 4: know after big fights, the first thing that everybody loves

1154
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 4: to do is what are the next big rights you

1155
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 4: can make, and I like doing that exercise. But to me,

1156
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 4: it's like, I'm not going to say irrelevant, but I

1157
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 4: think people play into it too much when I think

1158
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 4: there's a lot of I always believe in rare exceptions. Yeah,

1159
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: you know John versus Tom at heavyweight, that's the only

1160
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 4: one I want to see. But with the exceptions like that,

1161
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, there's almost like a range of good fights

1162
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: that they have.

1163
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't have to see, like his situation exactly has

1164
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: He's the fresh blood to that.

1165
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 4: So now there's one more of these I want to

1166
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: get to very quickly. Colby Covington and Patty Pemblet had

1167
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: a bit of a flare up backstage.

1168
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Let's take a look.

1169
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: Oh you're fighting, he said, you mean that you're two

1170
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: and six, Remember that, Remember that you're a scrub, You're

1171
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 3: a you're protect so quick, keep pulling your left.

1172
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 6: On your.

1173
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: Mute out cuss words on morning combat? What's going on here?

1174
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I love scouser insults. I know, helmet, sausage, sausage, mushroom.

1175
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: I know you know what I mean. I know these

1176
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: are things in American English that mean nothing other than

1177
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: like what you're sound so insulting when he's sausage. Yeah,

1178
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: you're you're a you're a helmet?

1179
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 5: Yea?

1180
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 4: What the fun out does that mean? Okay, neither here

1181
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 4: nor there. He is on everybody's radar. He injecting fucking

1182
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: life into all of these rivalries. And we've talked about

1183
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: it on this show before, Chuck, which was like I thought,

1184
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: like the Demirius Magoulaws and the Jatlazzi's were gonna come

1185
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 4: and replace anymar with physives. Dude, it was Paddy Pimblet before,

1186
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 4: it was maybe any of those.

1187
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: Guy. Imagine, can you fucking believe it? But you have

1188
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: to give him props. He has earned this spot.

1189
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 4: Now again people are gonna say he got favorable matchmaking

1190
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: early in his run, which of course is true.

1191
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: But Chuck, you know this as well as I do.

1192
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: You want a promoter to definitely handle a situation like

1193
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: this so you can maximize it. Are any number of

1194
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: fights they could have given him that would have ruined

1195
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 4: him and never made this day possible, right, But they

1196
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 4: played it and he got a little lucky, but they

1197
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 4: played it just right, and now look at the results.

1198
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: I guess that's the question, is like do you keep

1199
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: playing it like we're saying, maybe maybe he's closer to

1200
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: some of these guys that seemed untouchable than we think.

1201
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: And I think that that's part of the intrigue. Like

1202
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: if he goes up against Serukian, maybe it's a closer

1203
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: the we first would have thought. But or does the

1204
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: UFC say the Gaechee fight just because we know that

1205
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: that build would be fun, we know that it would deliver,

1206
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: And there's a good chance that Patty just keeps the

1207
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: Patty train just keeps rolling along, right, Like, It'll be

1208
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: interesting to see what they do because a lot of

1209
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: times what they want to do is kind of knock

1210
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: off a guy who seems invincible. They love to do that,

1211
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: but usually when they have the title, right, But like,

1212
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: sometimes the matchmakers have different ideas. But I'd be a

1213
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: little surprised if they wanted to put him in a

1214
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: boring like, you know, a guy who's just not going

1215
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: to bring out that natural a side of him.

1216
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: At this point, I no, I fully agree. I lost

1217
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 4: my train. I thought I had something to add there,

1218
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: but I think that's fine. Let's talk about Michael Chandler. Yeah, okay,

1219
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 4: thirty nine on April twenty fourth of this month, so

1220
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 4: in ten days ten days will be thirty nine years

1221
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: of age. Let me tell you what I saw in

1222
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 4: this fight, Chuck, tell me if I wanted something. Patty

1223
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: has a very different style than Chandler. Yeah, but to me,

1224
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: he looked like the next evolution of what Chandler's era

1225
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: of fighting represented.

1226
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: I'll give you some examples.

1227
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: Okay, in the first round, he gets behind him and

1228
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: he's able to, like Matt return him, lift him and

1229
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: then return him to the mat. They counted as a takedown,

1230
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: but it's a Matt return when he does that. Chandler

1231
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 4: never threads the legs. If in order to generate power

1232
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 4: off the floor, a movement off the floor, your feet

1233
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 4: have to attach and then you push. That's how all

1234
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 4: movement happens. And that's why you see habib Islam. They

1235
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 4: get you take down, they're thread in the legs immediately

1236
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 4: so you cannot move or put some kind of turk

1237
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 4: something to put on there. He doesn't do that, so

1238
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 4: Patty is simply able to get back to his feet.

1239
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 4: Or how about in the second round he tries to

1240
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 4: take the back, but he's not really a back taker.

1241
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 4: It's not a position that he's got great skill in,

1242
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: so of course Patty's able to I think it was

1243
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: the third maybe Patty's able to reverse it and then

1244
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: he finishes the fight from there. There are things that

1245
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 4: Chandler was able to do with boxing and wrestling and

1246
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 4: just pure grit and bron that got him pretty far,

1247
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: but there are technical limits to it, and now that

1248
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: he's old, it all came apart.

1249
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: For me.

1250
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, if you don't have those other things

1251
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: tightened up, Vulk can compete late into his run because

1252
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: every screw is tightened down, right. Man, This thing this

1253
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 4: is one of those Jaloppi planes he was trying to land.

1254
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 4: You ever see those Red Bucks You ever see those

1255
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: Red Bull competitions where they people they homemade airplanes, yes,

1256
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 4: and they see if they can go like fifty feet.

1257
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like that to me. That definitely had

1258
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: that feel. And you know, going into this, I would

1259
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: have said, you know, Chandler's probably more interested in just

1260
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: collecting bonus money, and I'm not trying to be you know,

1261
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: there's certain guys. Gaechee, for a little while, I think

1262
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, hey man, I just want

1263
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: to like load up on bonus money. Joe Lo's on

1264
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: used to have that mindset. He was like, you know,

1265
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: I'll fight Middland guys and just kind of survive on

1266
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: the bonus money that comes through. I think Chandler, you know,

1267
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: if you followed him in Bellator, he's still I mean,

1268
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: he had I think you mentioned the grit in the

1269
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: medal and that sort of thing. He got a lot

1270
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: of what he did was that, right, that was just

1271
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: so much of his what he brought. That fight he

1272
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: had with Alvarez back then, it's one of the greatest. Yeah,

1273
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: but the first I think it was the first one

1274
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: that was just like it was the same night as him,

1275
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: just a fucking indo and who yes, just a big

1276
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: cat being unleashed. And that's what I think that he

1277
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: his mindset defaults to that, you know, and it was

1278
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: not there was not going to be like this major evolution.

1279
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: I know some people are like, hey man, he was

1280
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: a standout wrestler at Mazoo. Maybe one time he's going

1281
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, kind of revert more back to

1282
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: his wrestling and starts. It just isn't part of what

1283
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: he wants to do, Like you're saying, technically he doesn't

1284
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: even want to. I don't think he really wants to

1285
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: fight that way.

1286
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 4: You know, people think that it's like, oh, why can't

1287
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 4: you just train an old fighter to do new things,

1288
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, dude, And I mean, he

1289
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 4: went far than it looks. He went pretty far. Like

1290
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: he made a lot of money, He's had a great career,

1291
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 4: He's done a lot with what he's done. But to me,

1292
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 4: this fight felt like, yeah, the bookend of legitimacy.

1293
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: This is the end. I agree. That's how it looked

1294
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: to me too. I mean, and I think that even

1295
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: with the matchmaking and a lot of times they'll do this,

1296
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: but they'll give the guy that they are trying to

1297
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: get over and the old dude it stands in his way,

1298
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: and then they kind of baton passed. That's what it

1299
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: felt like a little bit.

1300
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: When Patty had him in Uh there was up against

1301
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 4: the fence and Patty was trying to sneak his rear

1302
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 4: knee to take the back, but so Waiting was pinning

1303
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 4: with the forward knee and then turking the legs. So

1304
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: Chandler's like this, yeah, and Patty has got one leg

1305
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 4: kind of over and on top of him, and he

1306
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 4: was just beating the fuck out of him with like again,

1307
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 4: modern best practices, and Chandler, who is still a physical

1308
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: beast terms certainly the way he looks was technically overwhelmed

1309
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: and getting flattened and beaten up. I was like, it

1310
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 4: just felt to me like that skill set for that

1311
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: era that he built, it came to an end on Saturday.

1312
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: It's tough too, man, because you've covered him a long time.

1313
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: You probably have. You've talked to him quite a bit

1314
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: in your career. I've talked to him recently, but I

1315
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: probably interviewed him, you know, twenty times. That's I was

1316
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna say. I've talked to him a lot. I remember

1317
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: doing a piece when he adopted some his children, and

1318
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, he's a great guy. And

1319
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: there's a point when you're like, you see that kind

1320
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: of beating and you're like, I don't want to see

1321
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: you take too many of those. It's easy for me

1322
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: to say, like, I know, the fighters themselves have their

1323
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: own lives and they have their own goals and stuff

1324
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: like that, but there is a point in time, man,

1325
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: where you're like, you've been in a lot of wars

1326
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: and if you're not, if you're seeing a younger guy

1327
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: like that go through him too easily, it's just a sign, right,

1328
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a good look because usually, if anything Chandler,

1329
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: it's not one sided. Chandler always has his moments and

1330
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: fights like he has a moment where he comes flurring

1331
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: back and like, oh my god, this is Berserve exactly.

1332
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: So it's like we didn't get that on this one,

1333
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: and that's just you think it's going one way now,

1334
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it's coming back.

1335
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: Dana White still has a lot of nice things to

1336
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 4: say about Chandler. Let's hear it, Michael Chandler is now

1337
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 4: one in five in his last six, but he's always

1338
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 4: been exciting in a fan favor.

1339
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: What do you make of his performance tonight and where?

1340
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 9: And he's always in the fight. I mean, he's always

1341
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 9: in the fight. You know, tonight was a big night

1342
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 9: for Patty Pemblet. People like we were just talking about,

1343
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 9: people been doubting Patty Pemblet every single fight he fights,

1344
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 9: and he's undefeated in the UFC. But Chandler is Chandler's

1345
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 9: like our like our art artural Gotti man. Every time

1346
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 9: that guy goes in, you know you're in for a

1347
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 9: good fight. You know it's gonna be a war. You

1348
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 9: don't know whether he's gonna win or lose.

1349
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean I like the Arturro Gotti comparison, except

1350
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: Arturro's life didn't end that great, you know after fighting. Yes,

1351
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 4: so maybe we can keep it. You know, it's a

1352
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 4: limit to that comparison. Rest in peace to artural Gotti.

1353
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: But and I think you do know sometimes.

1354
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean I I certainly thought that Patty would I

1355
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: thought Patty would win this fight. I don't know how

1356
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: you felt about it going in. I did. I did

1357
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: think he was gonna win. Yeah, I mean to say, like,

1358
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: we don't know if he's gonna win and lose. I

1359
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: think that that's what was compromised in this fight. Like

1360
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: I if Chandler's fighting anybody in that top space on

1361
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: his next one, if he returns, I think you'd probably

1362
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: predict he's gonna lose, you know, so that that component

1363
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: is a little off.

1364
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: I thought it would be kind of close, but maybe

1365
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: Patty would kind of you know, yeah, you know, edge him,

1366
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 4: or yeah, maybe look good. I didn't think Patty was

1367
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 4: gonna like, no, and I didn't him up that way.

1368
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 4: I mean, that's exactly what it.

1369
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: Was the reveal, right, Like, so yeah, all right, let's

1370
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: go to topic number three if we can.

1371
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 4: This one was a weird fight for me. Let's talk

1372
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, Rodriguez defeating Patricio Pitbull. Of course, Patricio

1373
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 4: Pitbull the best fighter in Bellator history, but thirty seven

1374
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 4: years of age. We all here on MK tried to

1375
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 4: have some managed expectations. I was a little excited for

1376
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 4: this fight, or in fact, I was very excited for

1377
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: this fight, but at the same time, there was something

1378
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 4: in the back of my mind being like, well, he's

1379
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 4: thirty seven, you got that last one over Jeremy Kennedy,

1380
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 4: what really is left? So Chuck, Yeah, your scored what

1381
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 4: I would consider to be a very important victory over Pitbull.

1382
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 4: We'll talk about Pitbull in a second, but for Rodriguez,

1383
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 4: did he show you enough to merit a title shot

1384
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: despite only being on a one fight win stick? And

1385
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 4: we talked about like what some of the other choices are,

1386
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 4: But I guess my question is more about how good

1387
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 4: did he look to you?

1388
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: He looked pretty good. I mean, like his kicks are

1389
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: always going to be like an esthetic value to UOFC.

1390
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: He goes in there and he just he does the

1391
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: things and that you can hear it jam slam, slam,

1392
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, this is crazy. And I was

1393
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: pretty positive it was not going to get be a finish,

1394
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, like, and it was the way the fight

1395
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of played out. It was h It obviously went

1396
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: in Yahya's favor, but I don't think. I don't know,

1397
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just I wasn't holding him in that title

1398
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: spot to begin with, do you kind of because he'd

1399
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: lost his last couple of fights prior to this, and

1400
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: I always have a hard time see I would not

1401
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: have held him, but for the fact that they're going

1402
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: to Guadalajara. To me was the thing that was like,

1403
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he did it right by like getting on

1404
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: the mic too and just being like, I want the

1405
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: winner of that fight the main event, and I want

1406
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: it in Guadalajara. He did everything correct. Let's in fact,

1407
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: let's let's hear him. Let's hear him say that promise.

1408
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: Maybe a title shot. You wanted that in Guadalajara. How

1409
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: confident are you that you can get Volkanovski to go

1410
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: to Mexico to fight you.

1411
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 10: Brother, Bolkonoski has a fight like all lover around the world.

1412
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 10: He has him fight in Mexico while is no super

1413
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 10: high elevation. I think it makes sense for the UFC

1414
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 10: to bring a huge event. It's a numbered event in Gualajara,

1415
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 10: and I think.

1416
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: Will be able to like run it back with me.

1417
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 10: I think he will be happy to do that.

1418
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Okay, he says, hold on one second, I gotta see

1419
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: this because I didn't look this up before the show,

1420
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: and now I want to see it.

1421
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, Guadalajara doesn't have high elevation. It's the

1422
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 4: same as Denver. Mexico City is much higher than that.

1423
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: So it's less than Mexico City, Mexico.

1424
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 4: But it's like it's still well above five thousand feet,

1425
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 4: like its fucking high. I gotta tell you, I thought

1426
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 4: he looked. Here's what I liked about this performance. The

1427
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 4: one fight win streak doesn't give me like big confidence

1428
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: to make it, but I understand they've got to fill

1429
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 4: a calendar and there are many factors that go into

1430
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 4: too who gets title shots. I like this performance for

1431
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 4: how disciplined it was. There are times where he gets

1432
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 4: over zealous. There are times where he leans into that

1433
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 4: acrobatic recklessness. He didn't do that this time. He was

1434
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 4: a little boring, but in a totally forgivable way because

1435
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 4: he was much more methodical. He knew he had a

1436
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: guy who was probably past it but still's got dynamite

1437
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 4: punching and you could see their spec there. You had

1438
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 4: to be careful and he was, and to me that

1439
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 4: it was a It was still exciting because he knocked

1440
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 4: him down the third and had that.

1441
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: Terrifying ground pound.

1442
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was disciplined about what he was doing

1443
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: up until that point, and for me that was like, Okay,

1444
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: I didn't see anybody who's going to beat Vulc necessarily. Yeah,

1445
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 4: but I definitely saw a guy who understood that correcting

1446
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: for some of your errors is going to take you

1447
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 4: a little bit further.

1448
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just have a hard time with the competitiveness

1449
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: of the first fight. We talked about this a little bit.

1450
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're going to throw Vulcan into that

1451
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: situation and have him travel to Mexico, it feels like

1452
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: you're kind of catering at this point to YAYI Rodriguez

1453
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: in every capacity, but not to say the Vulk wouldn't

1454
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: just go in there and do the exact same thing.

1455
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: But it seems a little weird to your champion to

1456
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: just kind of do this. That's why I just think,

1457
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean a champion being the B side, I know exactly,

1458
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: so it's like, uh, and I know Volk probably wouldn't

1459
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: put up much of a stink about it, which is

1460
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: to his credit. But I just think that that Diego thing,

1461
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: there's such good bad blood there, you know. And you

1462
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: got a guy who, you know, I think feels more

1463
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: Mexican than Brazilian at this point, you know what I mean,

1464
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: because he's lived in Mexico for a long time now

1465
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: that wants to represent Mexico, and you have a guy

1466
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: telling him like, you're not a Mexican, you know what

1467
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean. I think that you put that those two

1468
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 1: guys into a scenario in Guadalajara, that's gonna be a

1469
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: fun fight, right like that atmosphere is gonna be ridiculous.

1470
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: I was at a Mexico City fight when he fought

1471
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: when Yayr stepped in against Jeremy Stevens, and that ipo happened,

1472
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: and the place crowd placement, Brazik and I have to say,

1473
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: like that crowd was on another level. Like sometimes people

1474
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: are like, what's the best crowd you've ever been in?

1475
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, none of them are more raucous than

1476
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: that crowd. Like that was a crazy crowd. So you

1477
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: try to imagine the scenario of him fighting Diego, and

1478
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: I think that would be ridiculous. Man, that just seems

1479
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: like a slam dunk to me. It does to me.

1480
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: Bong Island, Luke, where are you in this one? Who

1481
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 4: should be next for Ya year? And is it Vulk?

1482
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: Now you gotta do Diego? I don't. I don't need

1483
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: to see Ya year vulc rematch yet.

1484
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 6: Let yeah Ulk fightevloyev do Yah year Diego.

1485
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: Winners get winners. I think that would make sense. Now,

1486
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: unless you want to stick Jion Silva into the scenario anywhere.

1487
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Speaker 4: We'll get to him and the people are like, he

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01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 4: should get a title shot. I'm like, guys, he went

1489
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 4: into that fight unranked, I know, unranked.

1490
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: Like, don't get me wrong, he look great.

1491
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 4: Hold the fuck on I Now, before we move onto that,

1492
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 4: let's look at pitch pull Gun. Pitbull put out a statement.

1493
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Speaker 4: Let's take a look at the statement here. If we can.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a couple of them. I'll read it out

1495
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 4: for the audio listeners. Thank you, UFC for everything. I

1496
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 4: felt very welcomed, great treatment from all the staff towards

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Speaker 4: me and my team and my family. I heard International

1498
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 4: Fight Week is amazing and the card is still open.

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Speaker 4: I've got a few names in mind. Would you guys

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 4: like to see me fight next? And then he also

1501
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: says congratulations to he tags yai ear we'll see each

1502
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 4: other again. I'm injury free and ready to go anytime. UFC.

1503
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 4: Thank you to all the fans. I'll make you all proud.

1504
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 4: You can count on that. I was hoping we were

1505
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 4: going to get something better than what we got, But

1506
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 4: at the same time, I'm really not mad at what

1507
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 4: we got.

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: Pitbull is thirty seven. He is well past his prime.

1509
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: I watched his prime. It was fucking great. But we're

1510
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: past that now.

1511
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: And you know, one of my viewers on my personal

1512
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 4: channel brought this up and it's true, which is ever

1513
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 4: since he got rocked and it got a shit rocked

1514
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 4: by aj McKee, he's been a little bit more hesitant

1515
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 4: and felt that you felt that in here. Also, the

1516
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 4: octagon is so big it's hard to corner guys who've

1517
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 4: got fleet footwork like ya ear. It wasn't uphill climb

1518
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 4: for him on Saturday, was it not?

1519
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: It was? And I think that for him, you know,

1520
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: I think he was looking at like, you know, I

1521
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: have one more belt that I haven't got, and I'm

1522
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: getting a pretty good So I think he wanted to

1523
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: be a strategic and tactical and try to bend the

1524
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: fight to his will as he could. He just couldn't

1525
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: get it done, and I think that's just the product

1526
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: of age. When he came over to the UFC, I

1527
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: had the same thing as you. You're like, dude, if

1528
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: this happened five years ago, this would be ridiculous. That

1529
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: partition coming down, and like you get to see these

1530
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: fights you never able to see. But there was a

1531
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: feeling of maybe too little, too late. But I talked

1532
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: to him in the fight week, and you know, he's

1533
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: kind of infectious with what he's telling you. It's like,

1534
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: I have this one goal left, man, and I want

1535
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: to do this to complete my legacy. And the guy

1536
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: has overcome so much in his career, so many times

1537
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: where he kind of left a run where he'd get

1538
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: close he'd lose, he'd get close, he'd lose. Then he

1539
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: wins the bell, he loses it, you know what I mean,

1540
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: wins it back. It's like he's constantly like just battling.

1541
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: So that's what I don't want to bury him, but

1542
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: I do think that it's going to be very difficult

1543
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: for him to kind of do that in the UFC

1544
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: at this point. I think this was the critical fight

1545
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: he needed to kind of come in there and show something.

1546
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he showed enough to do that. But

1547
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: if you followed Pitbull, which I know you have, and

1548
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of the viewers have, Like we

1549
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: did a resume review of yeah when I'm kidding, and

1550
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's one of those things. If you followed

1551
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: his career, he really has nothing to prove like he

1552
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: was in it. He was differently. He was the face

1553
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: of that organization. He was the greatest they had, and

1554
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: I think his legacy is set one way or another.

1555
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 4: You know, I have two things I want to say

1556
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 4: about pit Bull. One is I hated I hate shots

1557
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 4: to listen. I'm not one of these guys that's gonna

1558
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 4: constantly bitch about the commentary that these shows First of all,

1559
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 4: I love John talking about I think DC can be

1560
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 4: good or bad depending on who he's with. I really

1561
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 4: did not like Rogan saying, you know, this is what

1562
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 4: happens when he steps up to a new level. It's like, guys, yeah,

1563
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 4: that's guys. I'm not telling you that Bellatore was on

1564
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 4: par with Strikeforce or WEC.

1565
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1566
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 4: What I can tell you is I lived through the

1567
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 4: UFC absorbing Pride, absorbing WEC, and absorbing Strike Force.

1568
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: What happened.

1569
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 4: Everybody was phsycked about Pride because their roster was obviously ridiculous. Okay,

1570
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 4: that was incredible, blah blah blah. Everybody thought the Strikeforce

1571
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 4: fighters were frauds, and everybody thought or not everybody, but

1572
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, there's a vast array of opinions around that,

1573
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 4: and there was a lot of people who thought the

1574
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 4: WC guys were going to be a tear down, especially

1575
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 4: a one fifty five.

1576
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: And what happened.

1577
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 4: They came over and fucking kicked everybody's ass, getting people

1578
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 4: who are past their prime in tough fights like this

1579
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 4: stylistically on top of it, and then declaring, oh, well,

1580
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 4: this is what happens when you step up is so shitty.

1581
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: It's a good point.

1582
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 4: It's so shitty to a guy like Patricio, who has

1583
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 4: been in the fucking strenches man in this sport, he

1584
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 4: deserved a little bit better than when he got from

1585
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 4: Rogan and I really really did not like that. That's

1586
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 4: the first thing I want to say. The second thing

1587
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 4: I want to say is, well, that was most of

1588
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 4: what I wanted to say. I don't know I had

1589
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 4: another point here. I'm getting worked up about it, but

1590
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 4: I really didn't know that was Aaron Pico, to me,

1591
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a better test case.

1592
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's still he's thirty.

1593
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, right, this is now he's also But

1594
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 4: this is the other part. It's like one or two

1595
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 4: guys don't make up the whole thing. Eddie came over

1596
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 4: and got a title, Eddie Alvarez, like you know, okay,

1597
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,839
Speaker 4: will Brooks didn't work out, but will Brooks had other issues.

1598
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 4: And Michael Chandler came over at thirty fucking fort dude,

1599
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 4: thirty four was is old now and he came over

1600
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 4: thirty four. The whole thing drives me nuts. The disrespect

1601
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 4: that he suffered from this.

1602
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: I hate. It's just ridiculous too. That's really tough. I

1603
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: mean Rogan's mailing it. Oh, I think I remember my

1604
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: second I remember my second one. How about this at

1605
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: forty five? Now this, I don't know where UFC's had

1606
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: is out on this.

1607
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 4: Pitbull versus Aldoo. How about we just make that fight?

1608
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: Wow? No, I mean you should. It's kind of like

1609
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: one of those ones that you had imagined at some point,

1610
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: right if if you're following their trajectories, you probably have

1611
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: imagined that fight taking place. Why not? I mean, where's

1612
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: Aldo going? You know what I mean? Like it's just

1613
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 1: thirty five. I mean I was case to cut an

1614
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: enormous amount of weight or whatever it is. I mean

1615
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: I realized he can make it, But like, get him

1616
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: back at forty five, let him be healthy, Let these

1617
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,839
Speaker 1: duke it up. This is what I mean about two guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, Vulk and the way he manipulates the engagement

1619
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 4: would be a tough matchup for Pitbull Rnaldo. We'll plant

1620
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Speaker 4: and wait. That is much more my speed for these

1621
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 4: two to match up that way.

1622
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Speaker 1: Right, that'd be great that hope they do something like

1623
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Speaker 1: that kind of a legacy fight.

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Speaker 4: the Hitler part of the show. How about that been waiting?

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Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't include it, but someone found a

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Speaker 4: of the woke mob. I'm like, guys, it's almost illegal

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Speaker 4: some like you could never make me hate Bryce. I

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01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 4: him into some kind of sympathetic figure, some victim of

1697
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 4: an oppressed elite class going after him, you have to

1698
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 4: have the same level of brain damage that like, you know,

1699
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, Pick someone else out there who you

1700
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 4: don't like. I don't want to make the comparison. Something

1701
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 4: has to be wrong with you to think something.

1702
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 1: So absurdly in contradiction to the reality as we understand.

1703
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: Were you surprised to hear the pop? You heard the

1704
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: pop out there? And I get it? Crazy. There's a

1705
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: lot of really confused young men in this world. Young

1706
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: men in this world need much better role models than

1707
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: they have. Holy shit, Okay, let's talk about the fight.

1708
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: Jeon Silva absolutely toying in the end, really with Bryce

1709
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: Mitchell who whatever else you want to say about him,

1710
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 1: Chuck is a good fighter.

1711
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 4: This is there's no question about that. He's a good fighter.

1712
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 4: But he gets submitted in the second round.

1713
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: Via ninja choke.

1714
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 4: Chuck Silva was unranked into this contest, which we alluded

1715
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 4: to earlier. But was this victory enough in your mind

1716
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 4: to mark him as a future title contender?

1717
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: I think so. It's just the ease of which he

1718
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: handled him. I didn't even feel like he feared him anywhere,

1719
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: did you. I felt like he was just like, wherever

1720
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: this fight goes, I'm gonna beat your ass. I actually

1721
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: found it annoying how little he cared. I you know what,

1722
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was dangerous when he was doing He

1723
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: went in there, he was taking some leg kicks. There's

1724
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: just this feeling out moment and he's in there just

1725
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of hamming it up a little bit. And I

1726
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 1: was like, this is the wrong way to go about this.

1727
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: But it ended up working just the way he wanted

1728
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: it to. I talked to him like on what was

1729
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: it like the Monday of fight week, and you know,

1730
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys brings a ton of energy

1731
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: and you know they're like he's he's gonna switch by

1732
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: like Thursday where he takes on this lord demeanor and

1733
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: he starts like you know, it gets very fixed on

1734
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: the fight becomes almost like an animal, and we don't

1735
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: like to like mess with them. They were kind of

1736
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: being serious with me, like they're just kind of he

1737
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: changes and becomes this weird, possessed thing, and I was like, okay, cool,

1738
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: and so like I see him out there barking this

1739
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: whole time and just doing that. He gets it, he fit,

1740
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: he gets the finish, and he's barking over him. It's

1741
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 1: just it's a crazy It's it's crazy to watch somebody

1742
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: handle a moment like that. I'm not sure that he

1743
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,600
Speaker 1: thinks about like maybe the like maybe the the scrutiny

1744
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: that this fight was under show that picture while you

1745
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: go ahead and talk over look look at this picture, Chuck. Yeah, exactly.

1746
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: So he's barking over him. I mean that was a

1747
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: that was a hell of a performance. And a lot

1748
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: of times you're waiting, like this guy's been finishing everybody,

1749
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: but like you wait for that performance where everybody's paying attention.

1750
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: I felt like this was that moment everybody's paying attention

1751
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: because this fight had so much heat on it because

1752
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: of Bryce Mitchell and all that. But dude, if you

1753
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: didn't walk away thinking that Silva was like Tomorrow, like

1754
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's contender, you know, I don't know what to do

1755
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: that that nobody has really other than maybe the Josh

1756
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: Immitt knockout, which he just you know, he caught him

1757
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: with a with a big shot. Not too many people

1758
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: are handling Bryce Mitchell that easily, you know. I mean

1759
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,839
Speaker 1: even to Poria didn't handle him, right. I mean, Tooria

1760
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 1: pounded him out in the end, right, but to Porio

1761
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: got taken down and then kind of elected to stay

1762
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: down in that fight, at least for the end of

1763
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: that first round. They mentioned on the broadcast, like it's

1764
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: too bad that Eliot's a Pooria has left the division.

1765
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 1: I agree with him, And because you think of that

1766
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: matchup and it's like, that's what's fun right Once that,

1767
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: that's when you know that he's already starting to enter

1768
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: that contender space, when you start to contemplate how he

1769
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: would handle himself against those types of guys.

1770
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 4: I will I will say this. I people on who

1771
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 4: are watching my I did a watch along for this fight. Yeah,

1772
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 4: and there were some folks who thought I was cheering

1773
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 4: for Silva because I was.

1774
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 1: I was.

1775
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 4: I was actually annoyed at the way he was fighting.

1776
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 4: And what I mean by what I mean by that

1777
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 4: is I don't mind clowning around at all.

1778
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. But to me, it only

1779
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: really works if you're marrying it with an action before

1780
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 1: or after. So I'll give you an example.

1781
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 4: You can do it where you style on them like

1782
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 4: Silva would like, you know, do like this, and then

1783
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 4: when you know, when when Forest Griffin wants to blitz

1784
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 4: them just crushing amazing or the opposite where you land

1785
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 4: something nice or somebody miss and then you do what

1786
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 4: Garbrandt does against Dominic Cruz.

1787
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: But then you're right back on the horse. Yes, you're

1788
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: right back on the horse. And the reason why I

1789
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: feel this was closer to Silva Maya like when he

1790
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 1: was kind of messed around but not I was like, dude,

1791
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: fucking stop this shit. I know what you're saying to me.

1792
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 4: It's like, you can do that against guys where if

1793
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 4: you know you're better than them, of course you can

1794
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 4: get away with it. I I'm a feeling there's gonna

1795
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 4: be guys in this division where he might try that

1796
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 4: on and it's not going to be a good idea,

1797
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 4: and then you're gonna underperform, and then that's going to

1798
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 4: be really annoying to me. I hate when very good

1799
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: guys underperform. So that was what that was what really

1800
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: annoyed me. But to the point you raise, the ease

1801
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 4: with which he dispatched Brice was shocking to me.

1802
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it for you? The ease? Yes of the

1803
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: ease yes, given everything we're talking about, and you know,

1804
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: you know sometimes you talk to the team too, and

1805
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: you're like, you, guys, are you know we've been in

1806
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: the fight game long enough? What did they eighteen? And

1807
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: oh the fighting nerds something like it's something nuts and

1808
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: they have like a crazy finish rate and uh, you

1809
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: think that can't continue. And then you kind of hear

1810
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: them in you start to spot over confidence at some

1811
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 1: point where you're like, uh, they might be getting to

1812
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: that point where they think they're invincible, and that's usually

1813
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: when some some kind of humbling aspect happens. I didn't

1814
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,879
Speaker 1: think that would happen, but I was a little worried.

1815
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess that Silva would make this fight harder on

1816
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: himself than he needed to. I thought he would win

1817
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: the fight. So when he was able to kind of,

1818
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, after he's kind of hamming it up and stuff,

1819
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 1: and they starts to turn the fight, and you see

1820
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: him a couple of exchanges the power like he was

1821
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: loading up on a couple of those shots. They were

1822
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: snapping out of there so fast. After you see that

1823
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: everything play out, and then he leaves this cross eye

1824
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: brought Bryce Mitchell on the canvas and barking at him.

1825
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 1: I was pretty shocked. I was shocked.

1826
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 4: I thought the barking was it was a little much

1827
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 4: for me. It was a little a lot of barking

1828
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 4: a lot. But the guy is just I guess we're

1829
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 4: gonna have to get used. That's his personality.

1830
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: Dude.

1831
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 4: On the feet, he's a dynamo, which we already kind

1832
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 4: of knew, But dude, the fact that he was stuffing

1833
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 4: the single legs like nothing, the fact that he was

1834
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 4: able to scramble to his feet, and they weren't worried

1835
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: about not down at all, they weren't. I think that

1836
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 4: he just thought, like, Yeah, if we end up wherever

1837
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 4: we end up, I'm gonna beat your ass.

1838
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: That's what he thought.

1839
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 4: That's it, and it turned out he was right. I

1840
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 4: can't believe I'm saying that. I thought it would be

1841
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 4: so much more competitive now because the whole framing prefile

1842
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 4: was okay, classic striker versus grappler.

1843
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: That's what we got right. And you thought if Bryce.

1844
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 4: Who has not just good takedowns, but good submissions, and

1845
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 4: you know he can like he is fast acting on

1846
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 4: them as well, he can get me. This guy has

1847
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 4: a twister submission, for Fox's sake.

1848
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: Well let me turn it to you, like you saw

1849
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: the same thing, and you're pointing this out, Like, now

1850
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: that you've seen him in that sort of situation, do

1851
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: you see him like as a contender or like, do

1852
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: you think that he's going to be in that space soon?

1853
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: I think I would be shocked if he doesn't fight

1854
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: for a title. I would be shocked. Now, as I

1855
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: mentioned his discipline issues. You know, just barking at your

1856
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: opponent all the time.

1857
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 4: It's fun to inject life, but if that gets in

1858
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 4: the way, like like for example, you know he's unranked,

1859
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 4: imagine trying that with Mozart. And I don't know if

1860
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 4: Mozart will have better take down, but imagine he does.

1861
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 4: And you're treating him like that, This will go real.

1862
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 1: Bad for you. You know what I mean.

1863
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,759
Speaker 4: You cannot do that to everybody. You have to be select.

1864
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 4: It's again, it's a it's like making a dish. You

1865
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 4: gotta sprinkle just the right amount of salt on top,

1866
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 4: just the right amount of sugar in that dish.

1867
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: You can't just because if you can. This is fun

1868
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,560
Speaker 1: for in the novel sense, Like you're watching him do

1869
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: it once or twice, I go, oh, Okay, this guy's different,

1870
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But if you keep doing that, it

1871
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: can get annoying very fast, because there's something that's played out.

1872
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 4: You know, people were talking after this fight. I saw

1873
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 4: Aaron Pico saying this and some other folks they're like,

1874
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 4: give Silva a title shot after that, And we talked

1875
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 4: about it. That seems like like crazy, Yeah, that'd be crazy, crazy, premature,

1876
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 4: but it goes to show you how much he proved

1877
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 4: on this night. Now we now the question is not

1878
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 4: can he exhibit good takedown defence or you know some

1879
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 4: of these other questions we were asking. Now it's just okay,

1880
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: well he's got a lot going for him. How far

1881
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 4: can he push this? And I don't know if he'll

1882
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 4: win a title or have multiple defenses. He's gonna fight

1883
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 4: for a title.

1884
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know Mark be down if the official rankings

1885
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: came out or the UFC's rankings, I don't know where

1886
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: he's ending up, but I'm guessing he broke into that space.

1887
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to see him. He doesn't need to

1888
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: be thrust into like a huge, you know, title type fight.

1889
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: But like there's so many dudes in that top ten

1890
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: special him versus Gigachikazi, that would be great, right. I

1891
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: think that that would be the proper type of fight

1892
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: for him next right, like a guy who has that

1893
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of resume and a veteran like that, that would

1894
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: be a great fight. Let me pull up the rankings.

1895
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 4: They're not updated yet, but just to get a sense

1896
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 4: of who's where. Bryce was sitting at thirteen. As I mentioned,

1897
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,759
Speaker 4: Silva was unranked. But around that space ten is Josh Emmett.

1898
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 4: That would be a sick fight. Eleven Giga Chakazi twelve

1899
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 4: by the way, also a sleeper, good fight, Yusef zilal.

1900
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, that was all of those would be good

1901
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: to all of them. You could do Cater and Ega too.

1902
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: I would go a little bit higher, Sterling sitting at nine,

1903
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: Larne Murphia. I mean, some of the names I feel

1904
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: like you would walk you go through.

1905
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,759
Speaker 4: Listen, listen to listen to Featherweight. We already mentioned Pico

1906
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 4: is gonna be out there. We already added Pitbull. You

1907
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 4: have Vulk Lopez, ev looev Rodriguez, Ortega, Alan Murphy, Sterling,

1908
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 4: Emmett Chakazzi, Zalal, Mitchell, cater IgA, and now you're aiding,

1909
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 4: excuse me adding jayon Silva. Imagine if Taporia was there,

1910
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 4: and imagine if Max were there, that would be, without question,

1911
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 4: your best division.

1912
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: In the UFC. And it might already be even without these.

1913
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: It might be because the guys, like, where's Laron Murphy

1914
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: in that like something like eight? He is sitting at eight.

1915
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean you look at a guy like that who's

1916
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: just done nothing but winning. He's not even in their

1917
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: top five. I mean that top that five, that five,

1918
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: or that six to ten is pretty deadly. That might

1919
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: be the best six, six to ten in all divisions,

1920
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like in terms of like,

1921
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: that's a lot of monsters, and six to ten at

1922
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: thirty five is Songy dong vera font Sohudo and Bautista

1923
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 1: six to ten at featherweight is Brian or Tega, Arnold, Allen, Larone, Murphy,

1924
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 1: al Jaman Sterling, Josh Emmett. Yeah it's a little bit better. Yeah, yeah,

1925
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: that's it's it's crazy. It's gonna be a top five,

1926
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And so this is what I mean.

1927
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to rush him.

1928
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but somewhere in that space anywhere from Murphy all

1929
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 4: the way down to Cater I would I would prefer

1930
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 4: maybe Emmett even to do, but I would give him

1931
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 4: another striker next. I would actually stay away from Stirling.

1932
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: I'd give him another striker next.

1933
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: Something like one would make sense of like both the

1934
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: Bryce killers, you know, like facing off with each other.

1935
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: Who if he fought EMMITTT Like oh right, right, oh yeah,

1936
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: it's like both both guys who gave the b roll.

1937
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1938
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 4: So let's talk about Bryce for a second. Let's just

1939
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 4: try to be as fur to as a fighter as

1940
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 4: we can be. This is a bad loss because he's

1941
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 4: got he's young, young ish, he's got enough of a

1942
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 4: skill set where it's really silly.

1943
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 1: To count him out.

1944
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 4: But I don't know, he seemed was he just fighting

1945
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 4: a guy who's gonna go on to do great things,

1946
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 4: or did he look a little behind the eight ball

1947
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 4: to you in terms of keeping up with.

1948
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 1: The Joneses in this division? It might be that because

1949
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: you're going to have to have a good stand up

1950
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: at some point, right or at least inadequate like you're

1951
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: gonna have like if you if your whole thing is

1952
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: to take a guy down and just put him in

1953
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: the deep water, put him on his back, you better

1954
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: be very good at that. I mean so good that

1955
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: you're you're in the top space of that if you

1956
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 1: have not no good striking. I'm not saying he doesn't

1957
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: have no striking, but it doesn't he the deficiency is there,

1958
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: you know. I didn't think he shows you enough on

1959
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: the feet to make you think that he can go

1960
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: against a lot of the guys in the vision. I

1961
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's hit his ceiling. Like you mentioned,

1962
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: he's kind of a he's a younger guy. He's still

1963
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: training in Arkansas. Yeah, so I mean that's also you

1964
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: never know what kind of how far you can go. Yeah,

1965
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to get it, That's what I mean.

1966
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: You might need to. He's a very unique guy. He's

1967
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: very what do we want to say, Like, he's very

1968
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: genuine to his convictions. But I'm like, at some point

1969
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: you may have to be uncomfortable. Like he keeps himself

1970
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: very comfortable where he's at, very nestled into his culture.

1971
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,679
Speaker 1: But I'm like, maybe you need to go out put

1972
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: yourself in a gym where there's some other killers and

1973
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that, because you're only going to learn your

1974
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: deficiencies in that situation, right, Like a lot of times

1975
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: guys go in those situations, Like, man, I thought I

1976
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: was good here until I started sparring every day with

1977
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: this guy.

1978
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: You know, you know I this is why I always

1979
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 4: give credit to Max Holloway. You know, Max is like,

1980
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 4: I mean, is there any other guy out of his

1981
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 4: camp that has.

1982
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: Made it to the UFC. That's a good point.

1983
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 4: It's not only did he make it, he became a

1984
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 4: champion and now a BMF champion and never left Hawaii. Yeah,

1985
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 4: And the way I'm told that, there's a lot of

1986
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 4: teams that wanted him to come train and he was like, no,

1987
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to stick it out in Hawaii. You know,

1988
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 4: obviously Hawaii is going to be even with their limitations

1989
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 4: it's going to be better than seriously, Arkansas.

1990
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be like this.

1991
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be about Kansas, but like you know,

1992
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 4: but it like you have to have something very special.

1993
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 4: If you're going to say I'm never going to leave

1994
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 4: this place where I'm from, there have to be a

1995
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 4: lot of other factors that normally aren't there to.

1996
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: Make that to man. Like you know, I was talking

1997
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: to Peyton Talbot before his fight, right, Like, he trains

1998
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: in Reno and a pretty small gym. He's got his people,

1999
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: they all love each other and they train hard, but

2000
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: he needs to go, like I think he goes to

2001
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: uh to Northern California, maybe Alpha Man. I forget where

2002
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: he goes. So he goes somewhere else where he gets

2003
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: the looks with the other guys, and I think it's necessary.

2004
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 1: If you don't do that, at some point, you may

2005
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 1: be the best in your gym, but or you may

2006
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: be like you know, styling on these guys. I just

2007
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 1: don't know if you have a full gauge of what's wrong,

2008
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: like what you can't do, you know, Yeah, And that's

2009
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: where if you go into those kind of bigger places

2010
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: like syndicate or you know, in Florida or all these

2011
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 1: places you see that the guys are. They're pretty humble.

2012
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: They have to be, you know what I mean, because

2013
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: they know that the guy over there will beat his

2014
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: ass if he's not, you know what I mean. Like,

2015
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: it's just I think that at some point you need

2016
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: to do that. There's the rare exception of guys who

2017
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: can skip that. But but to your point, it is

2018
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: very I think Bryce would be specifically, I think Bryce

2019
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: would benefit from hard to see how his game would

2020
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: get worse, you know what I mean, hard to see that.

2021
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: All Right, with the time we have remain, let's go

2022
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: quickly to a bit of a rapid fire addition here

2023
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: for topic number five, which is simply the rest of

2024
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: the UFC three fourteen card. I've got five questions. Let's

2025
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: go through these as rapidly as we can. Okay, how

2026
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: impressive was dominic Rey as his ability to build himself

2027
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 1: back into what appears to be a legitimate title contender

2028
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: three wins in a row, but after four consecutive defeats

2029
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: three by stoppage two were vicious? Can you believe it?

2030
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:30,879
Speaker 1: I know? Well, that's the thing I was like shoveling

2031
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: dirt on the sky. I wanted him out. I couldn't

2032
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 1: for his own sake. That's why. I mean. You see

2033
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: guys get knocked out to that level and you're like, man,

2034
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: you can't do it, you can't do it. This is dangerous.

2035
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: I never thought he'd be able to turn this corner, man,

2036
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: and then that's three straight knockouts for him too. Kryloff

2037
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 1: kind of ran into that. It was very uh it

2038
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: was like a collision, the strike with the we was

2039
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 1: going right into it. It was impressive. I still, I

2040
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: guess I still have a little bit of it, like

2041
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of that caution in my mind. But

2042
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: I would like I think that Reyes is, like he said,

2043
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: incredibly one fight probably away from being able to talk

2044
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 1: about being in the top of that division, which is

2045
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: a stunning turnaround. I I can't believe it. Yeah, but

2046
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: MMA is full of these stories where you're like, oh,

2047
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 1: this guy's done, and usually you're right, but you got

2048
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 1: to be careful sometimes because the guy's refused. Bolkanovsky in

2049
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: the same night both guys been knocked out, you know,

2050
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: and Pointsinger and they both they were kind of the

2051
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: stars right, like a couple of the stars of the night,

2052
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: so resting. Yeah, I don't know.

2053
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 4: If you saw it, Chuck, But how concerned should we

2054
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 4: be about the health of Darren Elkins? Elkins in this

2055
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 4: fight was taken on Julian Rosa. He got hit with

2056
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 4: something and for minutes on end simply could not get

2057
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 4: his balance. That was really weird. I rarely say this.

2058
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 4: Yeah it was against Julian Rossa. Yeah, I rarely say

2059
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 4: this on shows like this. I don't know if he

2060
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 4: should fight again.

2061
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: I know your hesitancy in saying that, but like he's

2062
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: forty years old and the guy is called the damage.

2063
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: I know because a lot of times he does take

2064
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 1: the damage. And it's just you can't build a reputation

2065
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: your chin forever, like forty years old. The dude's been

2066
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: a ton of fights that looked off. Man. They were

2067
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: saying that it looked like in slow motion. It felt

2068
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: like it was in half speed. It was almost like

2069
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: a Rosa was like, I don't want to hurt him too.

2070
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: It was weird, wasn't it. It's like I need to

2071
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: put them away, I need the referee to stop it.

2072
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 1: But I've seen I remember I did.

2073
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 4: I've seen fights where typically more in boxing, where somebody

2074
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 4: gets hit with a shot and they can either survive

2075
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 4: that round or even the next round. Yeah, but they

2076
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 4: can never quite right get their like their balance back.

2077
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: That's when bad shit happened. That's bad shit, and that's

2078
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: a bad sign. Yes, that you're just you know, staggering

2079
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: around like he did that for a full couple of minutes.

2080
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 1: I referee could have stopped that just watching him waddle around.

2081
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 6: It.

2082
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: It's like at some point, like when you talk about

2083
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: intelligent defense, you've got to take stuff like that into account.

2084
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: So that one really bothered me. I did not like

2085
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 1: that one at all.

2086
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 4: What did you think about Virno Genji Roba getting a

2087
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 4: title Well, did you think she earned a title shot

2088
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 4: with the shutout of Yanhunan?

2089
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean nearly nearly submittedor it was a solid showing

2090
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 1: it was never in doubt? Was it? I mean, was

2091
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: it the like most exciting takedown? Defense has gotten better? Yeah?

2092
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? She had she I didn't think.

2093
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 4: I didn't think she had a better ground game than

2094
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 4: Ginger Robo, right, but I didn't know exactly how it

2095
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 4: was gonna go.

2096
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: She Gender Roba did well. I thought she looked great.

2097
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't the most exciting fight, but wish she's something

2098
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: like thirty six. She's in her she's in that age

2099
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: group where you're like, if you're not going to get

2100
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: a title shot. Both are definitely over thirty five, So

2101
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I think uh jan On

2102
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: was number one, like the number one contender, so beating

2103
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: her should put her in that spot. I'm strictly speaking

2104
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: on merit because there aren't a ton of challenges in

2105
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: that division, and uh, she makes the most sense for that. Yes,

2106
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't the great it's like it was

2107
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: almost like the Oldberg fight. She I don't know if

2108
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: she made like this big exclamation mark right here, I

2109
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 1: am emphatic statement, but but you're next, But you're next? Yes?

2110
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: How bad was the stoppage in the Dan E Gayshawan

2111
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Woodson about what are your foot are your feelings on it?

2112
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: I know that we were talking about this before. He said,

2113
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: It's like, is it the worst stoppage you've ever seen?

2114
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: And It's like it might be among the most inexplicable

2115
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, because what was the reasoning for the stoppage?

2116
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't get it. It was you liked that stop

2117
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: but you thought it was great? Right? He did, like,

2118
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was raving about it.

2119
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 6: No, I was saying that, like it was obviously a

2120
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 6: bad stoppage, but I felt like, you put ten more

2121
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 6: seconds on.

2122
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: That fight, it might continue to go. You know, ten

2123
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: more seconds is a lot.

2124
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, Woodson might continue to take unanswered strikes. You're right,

2125
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 6: he was like mounting to stand up. It was weird timing,

2126
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 6: but I feel like you stop it five seconds earlier,

2127
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 6: it might not look as weird.

2128
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 4: I don't know, I I can't The two parts were interesting.

2129
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 4: When one was that ega was up on both judges,

2130
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 4: excuse me, on all judge score cards on all the rounds,

2131
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 4: which I think that there is a case for him

2132
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 4: winning two, but it there's also a case for him

2133
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 4: losing both.

2134
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, but they lost the second round.

2135
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 4: Didn't even or there. He was clearly bombing on woods end.

2136
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 4: He had rocked him hard and he was following up.

2137
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 4: And Egay is a devastator, like was was clearly close

2138
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 4: to winning that fight. But if some like what you're

2139
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 4: always looking for is coordinated movements to build height, Yes,

2140
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 4: and he was doing that, like literally in the middle

2141
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 4: of that, and you know, you know, sometimes referees will

2142
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 4: jump in right as they're moving and it's like, oh,

2143
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 4: if you just waited on a second.

2144
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: But Woodson was already moving and then he jumped in.

2145
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?

2146
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: What was happening there? Man? And what's very weird? You

2147
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 1: don't need an asterisk in a fight like that. I mean,

2148
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: the fight was going, I know, and I was going there.

2149
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: It was going in the direction it was going. It

2150
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: would have probably ended this way, but it's like, let it,

2151
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: let it just get to it, Sinatra, Nobody should have

2152
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: to be talking about this afterward.

2153
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 4: Last, but not least, we've kind of covered almost the

2154
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 4: entire thing. Anybody else on this card that stood out to.

2155
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: You, Chase Hooper, you know, granted his last two opponents,

2156
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: and Clay Guida and Jim Miller are eighty four years

2157
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,799
Speaker 1: old combined. Like this, dude's fighting he started, he's fighting

2158
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, he's fighting the tents of the division.

2159
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: But dude, I got a hand. It's to him now.

2160
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: He looked good. He looked good, man like he and

2161
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: I think from where he started to where he is now,

2162
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: what twenty five I don't know, like how old is

2163
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: he now? Twenty five? Yeah, he's somewhere in that range,

2164
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: but I think he is twenty five. He has shown

2165
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm like that he made let's throw him and then

2166
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 1: he made the perfect call out. He said give me

2167
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: Tom Nolan. I think he said it wasn't that the

2168
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: guy he called up? Yeah, And I was like, that's

2169
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: a great fight, another twenty five year old. You have

2170
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: two young guys. Put him together like that would be great.

2171
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: So I want to see him against somebody like that.

2172
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: But I think he has kind of shown that he's

2173
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 1: turned that corner and you can take him a little

2174
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: more seriously. Yeah, he's looked very good as last time.

2175
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 4: I mean, these guys who come to the UFC so

2176
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 4: freaking early, like Hooper and you know, Rosas appears to

2177
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 4: be like a good athlete and still very very early

2178
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 4: home run. Now it's hard to match make them in

2179
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 4: the UFC because you got to be delicate about it.

2180
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 4: And people have said this before about Patty. They're like,

2181
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:51,440
Speaker 4: you know, he got preferential matchmaking. People think preferential matchmaking

2182
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 4: means you're a fraud. They think it means, oh, we're

2183
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 4: going to give you something easy because we know your shit.

2184
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: But that's that's a great point, that's really exactly what.

2185
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: That's some text.

2186
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,759
Speaker 4: But I'm like, dude, sorry, I lived through Connor McGregor

2187
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 4: getting the Dennis Seaver fight when Frankie Edgar was like hello,

2188
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 4: turned out pretty fucking well for him.

2189
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: Hilarious. So yes, are there are there?

2190
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 4: Are there Page Van's ants or Stage North cuts where

2191
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 4: you like you clearly got favorable matchmaking then flamed out. Yes,

2192
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 4: that happens. That happens. It's inexact science. But just my

2193
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 4: point is just because they're getting it, and Hooper has gotten,

2194
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 4: you know, kid gloves in terms of the matchmaking for

2195
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 4: the most part, that is appropriate. That is appropriate for

2196
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 4: where he's at. If you want him to be anything

2197
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 4: down the line.

2198
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to, and I mean he's made, he's

2199
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: he's committed to it. Like I feel, I feel like

2200
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: you got to reward that kid now by actually giving

2201
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: him those challenges he wants it.

2202
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's time, right it certainly, it certainly is time.

2203
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 4: With that said, it's time for d ms from the

2204
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 4: diggity dons.

2205
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: Let's go.

2206
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 4: I mean, now, listen, there's good people who work on

2207
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 4: this show. Yes, they love tilting us with that thing.

2208
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 4: They love tilting us. All right, here we go.

2209
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: Let's go to question number one.

2210
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,759
Speaker 4: Chuck, this one will go for you should Vulk retire

2211
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 4: with the belt like Habib, retiring with the belt seems

2212
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 4: like a good investment for the future versus losing the

2213
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 4: belt and retiring. This comes from my coprime, h, what

2214
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 4: do you think?

2215
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: No, I mean, this is how much longer do you

2216
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 1: think he's got left? At least a couple of fights?

2217
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: I think he's got a couple of fights. What is

2218
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: he He's thirty six, thirty six and a half, right,

2219
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: I got to September. I believe maybe I think it's

2220
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: been a lot, but I'll double check. Okay, So anyway,

2221
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 1: he's he's not quite there. I think he's got a

2222
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: couple of fights left him in him. And I also

2223
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,560
Speaker 1: September seeing it, like basically seeing how good he looked,

2224
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason to retire. He's not washed. Yeah,

2225
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: he's not washed. And I also I do believe like

2226
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: he's a guy who is very smart and he'll figure

2227
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: out his next move because he loves fighting. He'll figure

2228
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 1: out just like you went from rugby to what will

2229
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: it be? You would be coaching or something else. I

2230
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: don't know. But he'll have a plan, but he'll have

2231
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: to hatch that plan. He'll fight in the meantime. Yeah,

2232
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: I think I think two ish three ish fights something

2233
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: like that, you know.

2234
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, I always say this, like is he

2235
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 4: beat Poeton in that incredible win and then lost his

2236
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 4: belt in the next one? Like part of how long

2237
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 4: he hangs around? He's not gonna hang around if he

2238
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:23,759
Speaker 4: loses the belt in the next one. I mean again,

2239
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,360
Speaker 4: he still might do too, true, but if he loses

2240
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 4: in the next one and gets like let's say kot again,

2241
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:31,400
Speaker 4: it's gonna hasten his exit.

2242
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 1: He's not gonna true, you know. And what are you

2243
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: gonna do?

2244
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 6: Like?

2245
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you doing it for? It

2246
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: that point, you've already done everything in the sport.

2247
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 4: So winning this on Saturday was literally historic. How much

2248
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 4: bigger can the Hives be for at this point? Not

2249
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 4: that not that high. Let's go to the next next

2250
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 4: question here if we can from X A L Underscore

2251
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,559
Speaker 4: nine thousand and nine, Well, these are the worst names?

2252
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: Is Patty versus justin Gaegee? Really?

2253
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,719
Speaker 4: The fight to make or could Patty versus Connor Connor

2254
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 4: spelled wrong be a top three all time pay per

2255
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 4: view all time? How fucking high are you even though

2256
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 4: it's quite clear that Patty dominates him. First of all,

2257
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 4: Connor versus Patty wouldn't be in the top ten of

2258
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 4: pay per views, much less the top three. Yeah, Connor

2259
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,600
Speaker 4: Starr has faded and Patty is not a pay per

2260
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 4: view star yet. I mean now he's becoming one. Yeah,

2261
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 4: but you got a headline though, that's true. You got

2262
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 4: to win at the highest level of those.

2263
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. Connor versus Patty sells, it sells

2264
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: ye top three all time. Gu I don't know about here.

2265
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 1: Although Connor did say he was going to keep an

2266
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 1: eye on this fight. I just realized that we didn't

2267
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 1: touch on that now, not that we should.

2268
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 4: Connor bet five hundred k on Chandler, and Patty was like,

2269
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 4: what was that?

2270
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 1: Why did you do?

2271
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 5: That?

2272
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: Was in the post fight press conference. He can't even

2273
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: win out of the ring man. He's like, well, you.

2274
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 4: Know, I mean, he's once again hardly a sympathetic figure

2275
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 4: of you know, like.

2276
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: A Bond people cheering for a Bond villain at this point.

2277
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 1: You know, I b C has been very high on

2278
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: the Connor Patty idea, and I poop poot it, and

2279
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: I poopoot it and I poop poot it. But I

2280
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: gotta say it's looking more and more like the Patty

2281
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 1: from the other from Okay. So the original side of

2282
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:13,960
Speaker 1: that was that Patty probably wouldn't deserve that fight. That

2283
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: would be the first side of that, But now it's

2284
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: the opposite. It's kind of like I think that it's

2285
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: like he's like he's like past it now, well kind

2286
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: of because it's like now you've entered a space that's like,

2287
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're in the rarefied era of like kind

2288
01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 1: of the Contenders, or you're going to put yourself there.

2289
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,479
Speaker 1: I don't know where Connor is. I mean at this point,

2290
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: he's I don't know if he's coming back, That's what

2291
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't know if he's coming back. It's

2292
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: exhausting to even contemplate his life anymore because it's just

2293
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: it's usually bad headlines, you know, speculations coming out and

2294
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 1: watching this fight, watching and then nothing happens. We go

2295
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 1: on to the next thing until he's actually signed to something.

2296
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: It's like who cares at this point. You know, the guy,

2297
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, five years out of the I think it's

2298
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: five years out of the octagon at this time. So

2299
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,839
Speaker 1: it's like, what form are you getting him in anyway?

2300
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: You know? Let me look that up.

2301
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,839
Speaker 4: Actually, I think Connor is thirty seven as it stands,

2302
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 4: let me see. And I think he turned turns thirty

2303
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 4: eight in July. No excuse me, thirty six, but he

2304
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 4: does turn thirty eight in July, or like Foremann esque

2305
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 4: time off at this point, it's.

2306
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: Going to come back. And was Foreman downing pines at

2307
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: the Black Forge Inn? Faithful? Come on?

2308
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 4: Like he was eating He was eating a lot of

2309
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 4: you know, tasty food, I'm sure by the judgment on

2310
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 4: his belly, but Jesus, come on all right. Next from

2311
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 4: Berner two three nine is Lopez versus yair ed UFC Mexico.

2312
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 4: The best next fight for both guys. We kind of

2313
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 4: been over this on the show with the drama. I say, yes,

2314
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 4: let me add a little dimension to this, okay, which

2315
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 4: is the fact that there's like this rivalry about who

2316
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 4: what constitutes a real Mexican. I have no way of

2317
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 4: winging on this debate, but that's going to be powerful

2318
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 4: for the fight sports.

2319
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: So one two.

2320
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not here to say that I loved

2321
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 4: having to watch Bryce Mitchell on Saturday per se. But

2322
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 4: what I will say is, in general fights were there

2323
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 4: is rivalry where guys are trying to like fuck with

2324
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 4: each other and or hate it. Now, when they force

2325
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 4: it and it doesn't work, it's even worse than not

2326
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 4: forcing it.

2327
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 1: So I understand why a lot of guys don't.

2328
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:12,679
Speaker 4: What I will say is I don't feel like there's

2329
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 4: enough rivalry in the modern fight game, in the modern

2330
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,719
Speaker 4: MMA scene. And this is true for PFL too, especially

2331
01:42:19,080 --> 01:42:22,480
Speaker 4: especially true for PFL oh big time, where it's just transactional.

2332
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 4: You're here, you're here, you fight, you go almost like

2333
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:28,640
Speaker 4: it's an assembly line rather than like a curated experience.

2334
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 4: We're gonna put that guy against that guy for these

2335
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 4: reasons and they can't stand one another. I'm missing a

2336
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,639
Speaker 4: little bit of rivalry for those reasons, among others.

2337
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: I love this fight same here, and I agree with

2338
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. They've been talking about like kind

2339
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: of just tapping into the Mexican market for what twelve years,

2340
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like you go back to when they

2341
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: had Canevelaskaz, you know, fighting there and so dude, this

2342
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: is the perfect kind of thing for it. You know,

2343
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: I think that both guys are high profile enough. Sometimes

2344
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,799
Speaker 1: they would go there when Yaya was fighting, like Jeremy

2345
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 1: Stevens when I was there. It's like sort of like,

2346
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: h I don't know who cares, but they still got

2347
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,000
Speaker 1: behind it. If you have a fight like this, you

2348
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: know that's really based around uh, you know, the Mexican

2349
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Independence Day, like they did at the Sphere, but this

2350
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: time it's in Guadalajara. I just can't think of a

2351
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 1: better situation. I really felt like that felt like genuine

2352
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: bad blood. Like the way they were arguing, it was

2353
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: like Diego Lopez especially, It's just kind of this really

2354
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 1: mild demeanored fellow ultimately, you know, but he was heated.

2355
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love it. I love that stuff. And

2356
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 1: also like not for nothing, but the style contrast, I agree.

2357
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,799
Speaker 1: I mean that both guys are like you know, lanky idol,

2358
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all action affair between those two guys.

2359
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: Like so there's like, I mean, every reason, and they

2360
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: were selling I was at that Sphere card they were

2361
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: selling so much that you know, the Mexican spirit, the

2362
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 1: fighting spirit. Dude, you're gonna you're gonna put on an

2363
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 1: exhibition of what that means if you put those two

2364
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 1: guys together, right, Yeah, no question about it all right.

2365
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Next from fayhe Liam.

2366
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 4: Can't be an American. We have a bit on this show.

2367
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 4: What a stadium Muay Thai champion? So that would be

2368
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 4: Roger dominant or Lampini with incredible takedown ability slash defense

2369
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 4: be the most dominant fighter at MMA. No, Or would

2370
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,320
Speaker 4: an NCAA wrestling champion with fantastic boxing have.

2371
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: His or her way with them? Yeah? I think so.

2372
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 4: I'm always going to pick somebody who's got natural wrestling,

2373
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 4: who learns.

2374
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,599
Speaker 1: The best base or the opposite. Yeah, I still think

2375
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,679
Speaker 1: that's the best base you can get champions in either way. True,

2376
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 1: but I think that I think if you have a

2377
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: very solid wrestling base and you're able to add above

2378
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: average striking, usually you can have a career in MMA,

2379
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 1: you know, like guys have done that. Like if you

2380
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 1: can just kind of take the fight where you need

2381
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 1: to take it at any given time, I think that

2382
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,640
Speaker 1: you're always going to have a better chance, right, Like,

2383
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 1: So if you have a strength that those guys have

2384
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: in these positions and they're used to competing at the

2385
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: ridiculous levels. Like a lot of those guys. True, that

2386
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: is true, But I mean like in terms of like

2387
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,719
Speaker 1: collegiate wrest, you know, they've had a hundreds of meats

2388
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,879
Speaker 1: and the really good ones. Like Bo Nickel for instance,

2389
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 1: he's already like he's already been kind of celebrated within

2390
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: that sport, So like this doesn't feel like a big

2391
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: step for him to go into the UFC. It almost

2392
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: feels like, oh, this is just another Sunday at the park,

2393
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. But I mean, if anything, that like

2394
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 1: the Poeton and Izzy and those guys have kind of

2395
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 1: showed that there's a little bit of a changing of

2396
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 1: the guard if you can learn good takedown defense and

2397
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: you can you know, put yourself into advantageous situation, you know,

2398
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 1: these this stuff too. Like a lot of these guys

2399
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: are shining these days too.

2400
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 4: So I would just say though, like when people are like, oh,

2401
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 4: what if you're a good strike put the question of.

2402
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: One more time there was some one more time ability

2403
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 1: slash defense.

2404
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at the way he wrote the question with

2405
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 4: incredible takedown ability.

2406
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Well he got ability in there too. Okay, Yeah.

2407
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 4: Typically the way it's framed is if if they have

2408
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 4: good defense. And one of the issues that Poeton ran

2409
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 4: into is I guess, I guess he was sick and

2410
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 4: he had a bust in hand. One of the issues

2411
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 4: that he ran into in that on Calia fight was

2412
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 4: that he could only defend the takedown. Now, I know

2413
01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 4: he went for it against Izzy, but against somebody who

2414
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 4: is a little bit more nimble with it, he was

2415
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 4: much more reserved, right, And to me, it's like, you've

2416
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 4: got to have two way wrestling in the sport unless

2417
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 4: you've got like a strum mean, you have to have

2418
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,600
Speaker 4: some completely insane skill set to get around that. And

2419
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 4: even as good as poton As he doesn't have that.

2420
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: So it takes a determination to to want to add

2421
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: wrestling because it's nobody wants to be nobody. When you

2422
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 1: get to the MMA level, like and you're trying to

2423
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 1: make an inmate, that's like the least people don't want

2424
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 1: to be training wrestling. You know, it's it's exhausting, I know,

2425
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: it's exhaust hard. The defensive wrestling especially, people are like

2426
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: not that you know, it's it's frustrating, you know, and

2427
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: you're just constantly getting manipulated.

2428
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 4: And I remember, why this is a true story. I

2429
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 4: think I've told this before. You know, the music that

2430
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 4: I listened to is like very aggressive, like you know,

2431
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 4: fuck your life and all that kind of stuff. And

2432
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 4: I remember one time I had an unusually bad wrestling practice,

2433
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:54,679
Speaker 4: like I got fucking hammered.

2434
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 1: It was, it was bad. And this was when I

2435
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 1: first started too, like when I.

2436
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 4: Was like, well, I take wrestling classes and I was

2437
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 4: in my twenties, so like, you know, I was late

2438
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 4: to it when a lot of guys in that class.

2439
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 4: I laid a bare minimum wrestled four years in high school,

2440
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 4: you know, and I hear I am coming into it

2441
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 4: and I don't know shit, and there was like, you know,

2442
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 4: there's also division ie guys in there, and dude, I

2443
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 4: remember there was one class, dude where I got absolutely thrashed, okay, humiliated. Yeah,

2444
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 4: And I remember class was over and I showered, I

2445
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 4: grabbed my shit and everyone was cool, you know, like

2446
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,760
Speaker 4: some days it's not your day. And I remember I

2447
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,760
Speaker 4: put on my headphones to get on the metro to

2448
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 4: go home, and my music was like you know, fuck

2449
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 4: you mom, you know, eat shit, And I was like

2450
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 4: I can't even listen to this because of what a

2451
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 4: what a phony I am, how a weakling I am.

2452
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 4: I would not let myself listen to that music for

2453
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,599
Speaker 4: how humiliated I felt.

2454
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it in good conscience.

2455
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm living a lie by listening to this.

2456
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: You know that's interesting?

2457
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 4: So, uh, they'll do that to you. And I've had

2458
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 4: bad days I had. I had a couple bad days

2459
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 4: in the boxing gym too, where like beheze you and stuff.

2460
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 4: But I never felt like I did after.

2461
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,639
Speaker 1: Render you helpless, Like it makes you feel like you're

2462
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 1: feeble and don't know what you're doing.

2463
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, totally, and like there's something psychological about just

2464
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 4: being manipulated that way.

2465
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: All right, Last, but not least, I think we have

2466
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 1: one more nan to soar.

2467
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 4: USC three or fourteen showcased five featherweight bouts out of

2468
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 4: thirteen fights. Should the UFC organize more cards around particular

2469
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 4: weight classes, for example, have a full card with primarily

2470
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 4: lightweights or welterweights.

2471
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts now?

2472
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 4: You might recall years ago they did that all heavyweight card,

2473
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 4: which I was skeptical.

2474
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 1: Of ahead of a Memorial Day week, and when I remember that.

2475
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 4: I was skeptical of that card, and in retrospect it

2476
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:39,759
Speaker 4: actually worked.

2477
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: It worked. I gotta say, I think they should be

2478
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: careful about it, but I like the idea. I do

2479
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 1: like the idea too, because a lot of times, so

2480
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: much about what happens in matchmaking is timing. So if

2481
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 1: you have guys on the same card and you know

2482
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: they're all in the same kind of areas, you can

2483
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: kind of find out who should be facing who coming

2484
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 1: out of it. You know. That's one of the reasons

2485
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about Diego and Yair is because they were

2486
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 1: both on the same card. I kind of dig that

2487
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 1: sort of aspect of it. If you have guys that

2488
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: are similar or there might be stakes in that sense,

2489
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,839
Speaker 1: at least in that you know, at least the timing

2490
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: should shake out unless somebody gets hurt, you know. So

2491
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:19,640
Speaker 1: that aspect of it has always been good. They've had

2492
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: a few of these cards recently where they have the

2493
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 1: same weight class at least, like in three of the

2494
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 1: main card fights. I've seen this happening more and more.

2495
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,320
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's a conscious decision by

2496
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 1: the matchmakers, if that's just coincidental, but I dig it.

2497
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: And obviously it's a separate question.

2498
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 4: But like in Victis being a woman's only promotion, they

2499
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:36,759
Speaker 4: have only women's fights.

2500
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 1: But I think that there are a bunch of ways

2501
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: you could do it.

2502
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,599
Speaker 4: You could have you know, like I don't know what's

2503
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 4: going to happen in the next television deal. Yeah, we

2504
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 4: live through the Fox deal where the main cards were

2505
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 4: only four fights. Yes, that gives you some ways to

2506
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 4: play with the roster a little bit. You could do

2507
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 4: all women's fights if you again, the current scent of

2508
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 4: women's of a man, I think makes that a little hard.

2509
01:49:55,560 --> 01:50:00,080
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm just saying, weight class whatever, there

2510
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 4: is different ways to do that when you have a

2511
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 4: limited main card and you're looking for a big punch.

2512
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, speaking of the women, how are you going

2513
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 1: to induct Amanda Nunis into the Hall of Fame and

2514
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:11,679
Speaker 1: yet still have a comeback?

2515
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 4: Well, that hall of fame is not a traditional hall

2516
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 4: of fame. Also, you know, I mean, here's the thing.

2517
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 4: It's the UFCS. It's the UFC's Hall of Fame. They

2518
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 4: can just do whatever they want. That's that's the first thing.

2519
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 4: I guess that's true.

2520
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: We all hold it to some weird standard, like the

2521
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 1: NFL they got to be five years they got to be.

2522
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:32,959
Speaker 1: It's not the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the football

2523
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, exactly. It's different, exactly in the case

2524
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: of this one, though, I will say, like, of all

2525
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:42,760
Speaker 1: the ones to go to the mat on, she's obviously

2526
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: going to get in.

2527
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:47,720
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like it's like, okay, fine,

2528
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 4: you know, but whatever, I guess.

2529
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: I guess. It feels like they should at least be

2530
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 1: out of the game.

2531
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 4: And there's typically a way for folks who don't know

2532
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 4: how this works, who or don't watch other sports, like

2533
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 4: Laura and Luke, there are there's a waiting.

2534
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: Period that you have a way. Typically what she watches football,

2535
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 1: he loves baseball. We had a whole conversation if you

2536
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: watch are you a Jets fan? I just said, I

2537
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Speaker 1: don't watch, but I know what people, I am a

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01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,640
Speaker 1: Jets fan though, that's why doesn't watch football. If I

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01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 1: was a Jets fan, I would also play.

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Speaker 6: I'm also a Nixon Islanders fan. I mean, life hasn't

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01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 6: been easy, guys.

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01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: Islanders Islanders are how are the Islanders this season? The

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01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 1: eliminated from the players.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the I think the Capital's first place

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01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:26,839
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference.

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01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did, thank you for that. For the trade though, Luke,

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01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: the Avalanche looking really good because the Islander they picked

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01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 1: up Nelson. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's all the questions.

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01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: We're done. Yeah, that's it.

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01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 4: Hey, let's one more reminder. Speaking of questions, put it

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01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:42,240
Speaker 4: up on the screen if you can't Long Island. Luke

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01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 4: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. There's gonna be a

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01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:46,760
Speaker 4: Luke Squared edition.

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01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:49,760
Speaker 1: Really yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be me and him. We'll

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01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,719
Speaker 1: be You're gonna give him a share of a T shirt.

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01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 1: Spec is just sitting out there, you know, like BC,

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01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 1: can you come to work? And he's like, fuck off.

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01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 1: You know, we can't get him to do anything. See,

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01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't crack into any of in any

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01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 1: of the swag yet. Man. Eventually, well, I mean I'm

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01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't think I've been featured. I wore the periwig

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01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 1: for you guys once as a judge. Oh right, yeah,

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01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: we will get you some dude. They do that. You know.

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01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 4: You know who is generous about the clothing, Well, actually,

2565
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,479
Speaker 4: everybody who works on this DraftKings has been good about it.

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01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 4: Corvo's really good about it too. They send us boxes

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01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 4: of shit. It's amazing. The booze or is including the.

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01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 1: Booze not living.

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01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 4: So they there's like another package coming one time, and

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01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, guys, don't get me wrong, I'm

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01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 4: gonna take the liquor, but I've already gotten like six bottles.

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01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,200
Speaker 1: And then it was a full of clothes, hoodies, like

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01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 1: all kinds of cool shit.

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Speaker 4: Where mayhair bro And by the way, I want to

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01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,400
Speaker 4: remind every one of course, today's episode is presented by

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01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 4: our good friends at DraftKings.

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01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 1: DraftKings. The Crown is yours, Chuck anything you want to

2578
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 1: plug before we get out of here, not too much.

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01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean I'm riding over it to Uncrowned. As we

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01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 1: mentioned off the top, got a bunch of stuff coming

2581
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 1: out over the next couple of weeks, so keep an

2582
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: eye for the byline.

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01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 4: I did want to do a short version of have

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01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 4: you seen this ship? And absence of Okay, I'm not

2585
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 4: going to, but I sent one video to BC on

2586
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 4: vacation and have you guys seen it? It's this like

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01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 4: giant silver backed gorilla at some zoo and he's like

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01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,759
Speaker 4: actively shitting in his palm and then immediately he eats

2589
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 4: it like like dude, I want to be clear, like

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01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 4: no hesitation, like he wanted that dish served warm. I'll

2591
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 4: put it that way. And I sent it to BC

2592
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 4: and I was like, BC, you're not gonna believe this.

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01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 4: There's video of you eating Rby's in high school.

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01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:32,360
Speaker 1: And I sent it to him like it was a

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01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 1: good big.

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01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 4: I was gonna play that, but then I was like,

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01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:36,240
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't know if I can show Gorilla.

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01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,960
Speaker 1: Even worse that you explained it. If you haven't seen it,

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01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 1: it's great. It's a great video that Gorilla just went

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01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 1: to work on that all right.

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned, mornan combat at gmail dot com for

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Speaker 4: all the questions, get those in as soon as you

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01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 4: possibly can. Don't forget Thank you to all of our sponsors, Quervo,

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01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 4: Gold Belly, Hule, DraftKings, the whole nine yard. Don't forget

2605
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 4: about Mother's Day. Get your flowers too, You fucking fucking

2606
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,800
Speaker 4: apes out there. Get it done. But we're done today,

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01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 4: We're done. That's it for Brian Campbell, who's on vacation.

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01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 4: For the whole crew here for Boing is on Luke

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01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 4: for Chuckman and Hull. I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys

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01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 4: so much for watching today's MK. We'll see you later

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01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 4: and until next time, May all of your gains be

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Speaker 4: loyal