1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 3: On a spectacular Monday. 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Of course, it's Medal of Honor Monday, and coming up 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: this hour it's history. 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: We're about to do Medal of Honor Monday and celebrate 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: a legend, as we always do, and then we're done 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: with politics for at least an hour. I haven't decided 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: exactly how I'm going to handle this. 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: Whether it's going to be. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: A part one, part two thing more or less, I 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: don't know, but I know that for an hour at least. 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: We're going back in time. We're gonna learn about history. 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: We're gonna walk away from politics in the stock market 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: and the tariffs and the left, and I'm done with 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 2: all of it. But before we get into history, we're 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: going to do what we always do on Monday at 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: this time, Medal of Honor Monday. All we do is 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: we take a citation and Medal of Honor citation and 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: we read it. Celebrate a hero, remember his name, remember 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: his deeds. I want to once again encourage you that 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: you can and probably should do this in your own life, 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: not like I do anything here. I'm not doing anything. 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: You can read citations with your family. If you're a teacher, 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: kids love it, love it. It's heroic, it's awesome. If you're 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: a coach, whatever, it's worth looking at. It's like it's 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: like reading a it's like reading a movie. It's what 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: it's like half the time. Yeah, good point, Chris Scout leader, 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: boy Scout leader. 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: Something like that. 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: Kids eat that stuff up. And yes, we take emails, 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: love hate, death threats. Ask doctor Jesse questions or Medal 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: of Honor citations you love or have some sort of 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: a relation to, like this one. Mister Kelly, A friend 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: just mentioned your to me. Your show Medal of Honor Monday? 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: Does your show cover just living Medal of Honor recipients? 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 2: My uncle, Colonel Roger Donlan was a Medal of Honor recipient. 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: He passed away in January twenty twenty fourth. Dang, just 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: last year. Maybe you already had a show on his story. 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: I think it's wonderful you have the show each week. 42 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: It's important the public is kept aware of the sacrifices 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: these men and all of our veterans have made for 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: our nation. He said, God bless and so without further 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: Ado Roger H. C. Donlan was born in Saggarty's which 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: is Ulster County, New York. And I'm not one hundred 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: percent sure I said Saggarty's Sagarty's right, so apologies to 48 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: his birthplace, but nevertheless that's where he was from. Hey. 49 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Honoring those who went above and beyond. It's Medal of 50 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: Honor Monday. 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: life above and beyond the call of duty while defending 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: a US military installation against a fierce attack by hostile forces. 54 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: Captain Donman was serving as the commanding officer of the 55 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: US Army Special Forces Special Forces Detachment A seven to 56 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: two six at Camp Namdong when a reinforced viet Cong 57 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: battalion suddenly launched a full scale pre dawn attack on 58 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: the camp. During the violent battle that ensued, lasting five 59 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: hours and resulting in heavy casualties on both sides, Captain 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: Donman directed the defense operations in the midst of an 61 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: enemy barrage of mortar shells, falling grenades in extremely heavy gunfire. 62 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: Upon the initial onslaught, he swiftly marshaled his forces and 63 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: ordered the removal of the needed ammunition from a blazing building. 64 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: He then dashed through a hail of arms and exploding 65 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: hand grenades to abort a breach of the main gate. 66 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: En route to his position, he detected an enemy demolition 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: team of three in the proximity of the main gate 68 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: and quickly annihilated them. Although exposed to the intense grenade attack, 69 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: he then succeeded in reaching a sixty millimeter mortar position, 70 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: despite sustaining a severe stomach wound, as he was within 71 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 2: five yards of the gunpit. When he discovered that most 72 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: of the men in this gunpit were also wounded, he 73 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: completely disregarded his own injury, directed their withdrawal to a 74 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: location thirty meters away, and again risked his life by 75 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: remaining behind and covering the movement with the utmost effectiveness. 76 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: Noting that his team sergeant was unable to evacuate the gunpit, 77 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: he crawled toward him, and while dragging the fallen soldier 78 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: out of the gunpit, an enemy mortar exploded and inflicted 79 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: a wound in Captain Donlan's left sold left shoulder. How 80 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: Many about halfway done with this, by the way, although 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: suffering from multiple wounds, he carried the abandoned sixty millimeter 82 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: mortar to a new location thirty meters away, where he 83 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: found three wounded defenders. After administering first aid and encouragement 84 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: to these men, he left the weapon with them, headed 85 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: toward another position and which retrieved a fifty seven millimeter 86 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: recoilless rifle. Then, with great courage and coolness under fire, 87 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: he returned to the abandoned gunpit, evacuated ammunition for the 88 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: two weapons, and while crawling and dragging the urgently needed ammunition, 89 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: received a third wound in his leg by an enemy 90 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: hand grenade. Despite his critical physical condition, he again crawled 91 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: a hundred and seventy five meters that's two football fields 92 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: by the way to an eighty one millimeter mortar position 93 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: and directed firing operations which protected the seriously threatened east 94 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: sector of the camp. He then moved to an eastern 95 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: sixty milimeter mortar position, and, upon determining that the vicious 96 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: enemy assault had weakened, crawled back to the gunpit with 97 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: the sixty milimeter mortar set it up for defense, moved 98 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: from position to position around the beleaguered perimeter while hurling 99 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: hand grenades at the enemy and inspiring his men to 100 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: superhuman effort. Good grief this guy, and he bravely continued 101 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: to move around the perimeter. Or as he bravely continued 102 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: to move around the perimeter, a mortar shell exploded, wounding 103 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: him in the face and body. So, by the way, 104 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: for those keeping track, that's his shoulder, his stomach, his leg, 105 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: now his face and the rest of his body. As 106 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: the long daylight along the way to daylight brought the 107 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: defeat to the enemy forces and their retreat back to 108 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: the jungle, leaving behind fifty four of their dead, many 109 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: weapons in grenades. Captain Donman immediately reorganized his defenses and 110 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: administered first day to the wounded. His dynamic leadership, fortitude, 111 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: and valiant efforts inspired not only the American personnel, but 112 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: the friendly Vietnamese defenders as well, and resulted in the 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: successful defense of the camp. Captain Donland's extraordinary heroism at 114 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: the risk, above and beyond the call of duty are 115 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: in the highest traditions of the US Army and reflect 116 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: great credit upon himself and the armed forces of this country. 117 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: And I need to explain something you to you real 118 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: quick before we get on to the history, which is 119 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: actually not going to be Vietnam. We're going clear back 120 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: to World War One. Just the heads up. These camps, 121 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: these special Forces camps. These are Green Beret camps. You'll 122 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: hear a lot about them. And whenever you read a 123 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: story or a Medal of Honor citation about a Special 124 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: Forces camp of some kind, what they usually were was this. 125 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: They were more remote, not necessarily right next to some big, 126 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: well defended army camp. They were more remote. The Green 127 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: Berets were generally some of the only American troops in 128 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: these camps. Because what the Green Berets were doing is 129 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: really what the Green Berets bread and butter is. The 130 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Green Berets bread and butter is they go into a country, 131 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: they organize and train the forces of that country that 132 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: are against what we consider to be the enemy in 133 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: that country. So in this case, the North Vietnamese, the 134 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: viet Cong, they had plenty of enemies inside Vietnam, guides 135 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: like the Montag Yards, which were like a warrior like 136 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: tribal people in Vietnam mountain, like really really cool people. Anyway, 137 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: the Green Berets, the Special Forces of Vietnam, they would 138 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 2: go in and in these camps they would bring in 139 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: the Montag yards, the yards will call them, that's what 140 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: they called them. 141 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: They would bring in the yards. They would constantly be 142 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: training the yards, and then the yards oftentimes most of 143 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: the time with the Green Berets would go out and 144 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 3: do various operations wherever they may be operations. Sometimes it's 145 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: just observing. Sometimes it's a snatching. 146 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: Grab where you're kidnapping somebody and taking them in for interrogation. 147 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: But in these camps, what this guy was doing, Donlin, 148 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: he probably was not dealing with a bunch of Green Berets. 149 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: I just wanted to clarify that because when you say 150 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: special Forces automatically, people will assume that Don Thean was 151 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: there and he had one hundred Green Berets at his command, 152 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: and that's why they were. 153 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no. 154 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: Now I don't know the exact number because I don't 155 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: know this specific story that well, he might have had 156 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: eight of them, ten of them, maybe not even that, 157 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: depending on the size of the camp. 158 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: It's not like he had Tip of the Spear guys. 159 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: Lots of these guys. 160 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were trained by Green Berets, but they were 161 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: Vietnamese that we had trained up. That's why he's running 162 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: around having to encourage you. Everybody, Hey, let me get 163 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: this on you. Hey you shoot there, Hey, you do this, 164 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: and that they're working with lesser forces. I'll put it 165 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: to you that way, lesser forces. All right, now, I 166 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: have we've argued before, we've debated before. You email me 167 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: and debate it with me, and I love that. That's fine. 168 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: I'm not I don't know everything. What was the worst 169 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: place to be in the history of combat? What was it? 170 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: And everyone has a great argument for it was that 171 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: the war in the Pacific, a crusader army stuck out 172 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: in the desert without water? 173 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: What is it? 174 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: There's all kinds of debate. I will tell you, having 175 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: finished my research for the story we're about to tell. 176 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: I know I've made my choice. I've found it. Let's 177 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: talk about it. Next. 178 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Get the Cure for Rhinos. Week days with The Jesse 179 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Kelly Show. 180 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday. We 181 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 2: just finished up Medal of Honor Monday. Remember, if you 182 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: miss any part of the show, you can download the 183 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: whole thing on iHeart, Spotify, iTunes. We will hopefully get 184 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: back to some news next hour. No, I'll try to 185 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: get back to the news next hour. But I want 186 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: you to imagine something. I want you to imagine. You're 187 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 2: a young man and you grew up on the family 188 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: farm in Salerno, Italy. Okay, Salerno. I don't expect you 189 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: to know where that is. It's southern Italy. You know, 190 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: Italy's shaped like a boot. Everyone knows that it's more 191 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: towards the lower end of it. It's south of Rome, 192 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: south of Naples. And it's warm. You grew up, like 193 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: I said, in the fields, and all you know is 194 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: the warmth. In fact, in the winter time it's seventy seven, 195 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: seventy eight. Sometimes it gets pretty chilly at night, those sixties, 196 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: sixty three, sixty four. And this is not only how 197 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: you've lived your life, it's how your father lived. This 198 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: is the only life you've ever known. You're twenty years old. 199 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 2: But your country is young, and you know that we'll 200 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: get to that in a little bit. And your country 201 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: is trying to figure out its borders. And you hear 202 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: about this big war that has started, and you're wondering 203 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: should you join, do not join? Not really sure, you're afraid, 204 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: but you want to see more than just the farm. 205 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: But you hesitate a little bit. Wait, let's see how 206 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: things shake out. But one day, a government man comes 207 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: to your family farm with your name on a piece 208 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: of paper and says, hey, you're joining. Congratulations, You've just 209 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: been conscripted into the Italian Army. You're excited, you're scared. 210 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: Your mom's crying. Your father shakes your hand, and you 211 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: find yourself on a train heading up north and it's 212 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: beautiful hills, mountains, but it is getting cold. Finally, you 213 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: find yourself in a valley. There's a river in front 214 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: of you, it's freezing. The valley's beautiful, and in front 215 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: of you is a mountain range and you're told that 216 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: you have to go up that mountain and remove the 217 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: men who are entrenched on top of the mountain, and 218 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: they have machine guns pointing down at you. The mountain 219 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: is covered with snow. You've actually never seen snow in 220 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: your life. It's the first time for you. They start 221 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: giving you clothing to try to make you warmer, but 222 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 2: your nose is still cold. It it hurts when you 223 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: breathe in. You and all your newfound army buddies, you 224 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: start up the slopes and your friends start dying in 225 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: the worst possible ways. The very first day it just 226 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: missed you. You heard what sounded like thunder coming from 227 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: the top of the mountain. You looked up in time 228 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: to see an avalanche sweep away one hundred men from 229 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: your unit gone off the mountain, right off a cliff cliff. 230 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: You went to sleep that night thinking about their screams. 231 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: The next morning you wake up and your toes are black. 232 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: Then then the next morning you hear a shout, a warning, 233 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: and you look up to see a gigantic steel ball 234 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: rolling down the mountain side towards your unit, where it 235 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: explodes and fifty of your friends, their body parts are 236 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: blown all over you. You are in the worst in 237 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: my opinion, you are officially in the worst battle conditions 238 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: ever fought. This is the Italian Campaign. It's known as 239 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: the Italian Campaign of World War One, and I have 240 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: never read or consumed anything like it in my life. 241 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: When I mentioned going into the break that it was 242 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: going to be the worst battlefield conditions ever, Jewish producer 243 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: Chris said, World War one, the trenches of World War one, 244 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: no question, Western Front world War One, and I myself 245 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: have said the same thing. Okay, so picture this. Trenches 246 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: of World War One are what trenches on each side. 247 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: You got that, the artillery, the misery, the rats, the disease, 248 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: the gas, to everything that comes with World War One, 249 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: the horrible no man's land. So picture that in your mind, 250 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: Western Front, World War One. Okay, your trench there, trench, 251 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: barbed wire, no man's land, gas, misery, death, all you 252 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: got all that? Okay, all right, I'll give you that. 253 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: Now you're in your trench. You're picturing their trench, Chris, Okay, 254 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: let's cover their trench with snow. Let's make their trench 255 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: about three thousand feet above your trench. And now do 256 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: you think maybe that would be worse? The Italian campaign 257 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: of World War One combines all the worst parts of 258 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: the Western Front and somehow makes them worse. It adds 259 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: in freezing cold, it adds in rock shrapnel, which we're 260 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: going to get to. It's gonna be a huge part 261 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: of this ice caves, you're losing limbs. Men throw themselves 262 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: off of cliffs and shoot themselves in the head to 263 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: stop being there anymore. 264 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: It is the. 265 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: Only place in World War One that I have found 266 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: where there are multiple account ounce, not one or two, sporadic, 267 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: multiple accounts of the armies refusing to shoot at each 268 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: other because it's so bad and so many men are dying. 269 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: You feel heartbreak for the other side, the men you're 270 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: slaughtering on that side. The Italian Campaign of World War One. 271 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: Let's begin and discuss what it was and how it 272 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: came to be. Let's do some background on it. Do 273 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: you enjoy history? By the way, I love it. I 274 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: eat it up. I did it all weekend long. I 275 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: was just reading reading stuff. You know, Hillsdale College makes 276 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: it so you don't have to read about some of 277 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: this stuff. Hillsdale College will just teach you. Hillsdale College, 278 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: that incredible university, the one we all want our kids 279 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: to get into. 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Lewis. 288 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: Hillsdale has all these classes at no costs for you. 289 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: Hillsdale dot ed u slash Jesse is where you go 290 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: to enroll. Hillsdale dot edu slash Jesse. We'll be back, 291 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: Jesse Keilly. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday. 292 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: Of course, it's been an incredible Monday. We did a 293 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: bunch of talking the first hour about culture, war stuff. 294 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: We did Medal of Honor Monday. Now we are into history. 295 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: We're talking about the Italian Front of World War One. 296 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: That kind of history. Don't worry, you didn't miss much already, 297 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: just the little story to start off with. Now, let's 298 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: do some background before we get to the worst battlefield 299 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: conditions in the history of warfare World War One. You know, 300 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: one side had Britain France. Yes, eventually that's the side 301 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: we joined. By the way. One side was Britain in France, 302 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: and you got all that in Russia. Russia was part 303 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: of that too for a while. We'll get to that 304 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: in a little bit. And the other side was mainly 305 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: Germany and Austria, Hungary and the Ottoman Empire Turkey. I 306 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: don't want to dismiss them. Actually, the Ottoman Empire Turkey, 307 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: but it was mainly Germany and Austria Hungary. But for 308 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: our purposes we're only going to focus on Austria, Hungary 309 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: and the Italians. Now, one thing we must understand here 310 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: is the newness. How new so many European nations are. 311 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: We don't think about it in that way. Most America 312 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: would tell you, well, America is young, especially compared to Europe. 313 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: We're about to have our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary 314 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: next year. That's a young place. We're not old like 315 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 2: Europe is. America is much older than Italy. America is 316 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: much older than Germany I'm talking about I'm talking about 317 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: as a unified nation. I know about Rome and things 318 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: like that, but Italy. Focus on that for a moment. 319 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: Italy after the Roman Empire and after its collapse, and 320 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: Italy had been so many different countries in different little 321 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: city states, warring with each other, killing each other for 322 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: the longest time. Remember I told you we went to 323 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: Italy at Christmas time? What are the places? We were 324 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: up close to Florence, Italy, And one of the places 325 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: we ate at was this tiny little mountaintop hilt, tiny 326 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: little hill top fort. The guy our tour guide had said, oh, 327 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: you gotta eat there. It was the place I too do. 328 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: What was it forty four people lived there something crazy 329 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 2: like that. It wasn't many. A miniscule amount of people 330 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 2: live there. It's a tiny little fort. The walls are 331 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: still there, and you could eat in this restaurant, and 332 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: then they have a couple of little gift shops, but 333 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: people's laundry it's hanging out on clothes lines. It's just 334 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 2: a wee little mountaintop village, but obviously very old. And 335 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: we started talking to the tour guy about it, and 336 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: he was explaining that it was it was there as 337 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: a lookout in a fighting fortress for the wars between 338 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: Florence and Rome. Italy was divided forever. It was only 339 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: in the eighteen sixties. Eighteen sixties Italy came together and 340 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: formed one unified country. Germany they're not really going to 341 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: feature in this story, but Germany was very similar. Germany 342 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: was eighteen seventies. Yes, I know Prussia and all the 343 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: different areas, but as far as a unified country, Germany 344 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: was new, a new place. But we'll go down to 345 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: Italy because that's the purpose of our story here Italy 346 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: was new and being one unified country was a new 347 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 2: thing for them. And we don't realize how blessed we 348 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: are as a country because of how we started versus 349 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: some of these other countries. Okay, so Italy finally unified, 350 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: It finally became Italy, But what are united around? America 351 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: had something to unite around. We wanted to be free 352 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: from the British. We wanted a free country. We wanted 353 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: there were unifying principles around it. Italy had been at 354 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: war with each other for so long. A picture picture 355 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: this picture. Texas is at war with Nebraska, who's at 356 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: war with New York, Who's at war with Virginia, who's 357 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: at war with South Carolina? And they fight this war 358 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: for two hundred years and then we wake up one 359 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: day after two hundred years of fighting, and hey, by 360 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: the way, you guys are a country now. 361 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 3: Sound good? 362 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: Well wait, wait a minute. 363 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: What? 364 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 2: Okay? So Italy was adjusting. Part of the adjustment was 365 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: what kind of government do the people want? What kind 366 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: of government do the people who decide what kind of 367 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: government they want? What kind of government do they want? 368 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: And what are your borders? How do you decide on 369 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: a nation's borders. How do you decide well. Countries when 370 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: they're forming and after they're formed, they want as much 371 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 2: choice territory as humanly possible. You want to make sure 372 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: you have as many natural resources as you can, as 373 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 2: much waterfront as you can, and you want to make 374 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: sure strategically you can defend your country. You want defend 375 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: CIBOL borders. Not everything is defensible. So our story is 376 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: going to take place in the north north northern part 377 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 2: of Italy. If you want to look at it on 378 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: a map. You know I love looking at maps. We 379 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: are going to be in the northeastern portion of Italy. 380 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: With me the northeastern portion of Italy. Now, if you're 381 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: looking at a map, you may notice the northeastern portion 382 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 2: of Italy is looks a little mountainey. In fact, things 383 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: have changed. It's because it is Those are the Alps 384 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: you see. And Italy as it formed, it wanted it 385 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: wanted its territory to extend into the Alps, because you 386 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: want mountainous territory, because there's nothing easier to defend than 387 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: mountainous territory. Even if you have the benefit of plains, 388 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 2: it's hard to get people out of mountainous territory. Why 389 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: do you think we had so many struggles in Afghanistan? 390 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 3: How can that be? 391 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: We have all these planes and bombs and fancy things, 392 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: but they're in the freaking mountains. Even with modern modern everything, 393 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: modern artillery and flight and bombs and things like that, 394 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: when someone is dug into the mountains, it's hard to 395 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: get them out. You know, people talk about prepping for 396 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: a disaster today in the modern era. 397 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: How do you prep? What do you do? 398 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: Where do you go? Hey, what's your look? I don't 399 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: know what your plans are. I'll tell you this for 400 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: a fact, depending on the scenario, I'm getting to the mountains. 401 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: If I can get to the mountains, whether it's the Rockies, 402 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: the Appalachians, wherever it is. If you can get to 403 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: the mountains, if you have a place in the mountains, 404 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: you're just safer than you are anywhere else. Period. End 405 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: of story. All right, Setting that aside, Italy wants that 406 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: Northeast turned part, but they don't have it as we speak. 407 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: They don't have it as it pertains to this story. Why, 408 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 2: because there is this empire that is crumbling, one you 409 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: don't even know about anymore, because it's gone called the 410 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: Austria Hungarian Empire Austria Hungary. I know it's weird because 411 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: it's two countries now, but it was known as one 412 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: thing back then. Austria Hungary. Austria Hungary was large, it 413 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: had a royal family, and it was very much an empire, 414 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 2: a fading empire though fading, crumbling. They'd been an empire 415 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: for a long time, gobbling up this, gobbling up that. 416 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: But they were long past their primes, as all empires are. 417 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: And Austria Hungary the northern neighbor of Italy. They held 418 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: these alps at the time in Italy wanted it. Now, 419 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: World War One kicks off, Who's Italy going to join? 420 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 2: And this is where it gets a little dicey in 421 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 2: Italian history. I say dicey, I mean kind of dirty, 422 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Italy had a signed agreement 423 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: that they were part of Germany Austria Hungary, that they 424 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: were as part of that alliance. 425 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: They were supposed to be on the side. 426 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: Of Germany and Austria Hungary. But Italy was a very, 427 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: very very divided place. That's part of why I brought 428 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: up how young they were politically. They were very divided, which. 429 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: Direction do we go left? Right? Middo. 430 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 2: I don't legislature, I don't understand it. And the divisions 431 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: at the highest levels of the Italian government were so 432 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 2: pronounced that it caused all kinds of fighting and everything else. 433 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: And Italy decides maybe there's maybe there's an advantage if 434 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: we're not part of the Austria Hungary thing. We'll continue 435 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: on with our story in a moment. Before we do that, 436 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: let me talk to you about protecting yourself. Do you 437 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: see that story about the UPS guy Not a real 438 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: UPS guy, a fake one, got himself a fake uniform, 439 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: armed felon, goes around kicking indoors. We love to think 440 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: that when we're in home, in our homes, in the 441 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: grocery store, the gas station at the mall, that since 442 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: we're local or something like that, we're safe. You're not. 443 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: There are bad people everywhere. It doesn't mean you hide 444 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 2: in a locked room your whole life. You can't do that. 445 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: It means you carry a burn a pistol launcher on 446 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: you at all times. I have so many of these 447 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: things I can't even count them. I have bought one 448 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: for every person in my life. They are non lethal 449 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: so they're legal in all fifty states. You don't even 450 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: need a permit, you don't need a background check. If 451 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: someone accidentally shoots themselves with it, it's not the end 452 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: of the world. You're just going to be in a 453 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: whole lot of pain for a while. It shoots tear 454 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: gas or pepperballs, or it'll save your life, man, it'll 455 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: stop a very very bad man and save the life 456 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: of a person you love the most. Don't let someone 457 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: you love be hurt and regret not having gotten them 458 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: one you want a nice discount by Rna Berna dot 459 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: com slash Jesse Berna dot com slash Jesse We'll be back, 460 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 2: what Chris, We can make jokes. 461 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: It's fine, we get that right. 462 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. 463 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday and 464 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: Incredible Monday. In case you're just now joining us, we're 465 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: in the middle of history. We're talking about the Italian War, 466 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: the World War One portion that took place in the 467 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: Alps northern Italy. Remember if you if you want to 468 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: email the show, you can Jesse at Jesse Kellyshow dot com. 469 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: Back to our story, World War One breaks out France, 470 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Britain they're at warworth Germany, Austria Hungary, and yes, Russia 471 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: is part of all this on the side of France 472 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: and Britain. Italy, Yes they have an agreement with Germany 473 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: and Austria Hungary, but they're kind of thinking about Renigan 474 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: on the whole thing. And the reason they're thinking about 475 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: Reniggan on the whole thing is Austria Hungary. They've grabbed 476 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: those wonderful alps on the northern part of Italy. I'll 477 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: just say that so you know where it is. And 478 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: Austria Hungry's hungry is not interested in giving them back 479 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: because they want them the same reasons. The Italian one 480 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 2: of them. The Italians want one of them. They're wonderful 481 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: for defense. It's like mountains are like the greatest wall 482 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: you could ever build. Of course, they want to keep 483 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: the mountains well. Italy they decide instead of being instead 484 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: of being part of this alliance with Germany and Austria Hungary, 485 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: they kind of consider themselves more of a free agent 486 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: if you will. Hey, I'm open for business. And this 487 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: is the point where diplomacy can help decide wars. We 488 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: dudes don't ever like to think of it that way. 489 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: Because dudes like wars to be bombs and bullets and 490 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: things like that. But diplomacy is a huge, huge part 491 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: of warfare now and always was. Italy wanted those Alps, 492 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: or at least a much better deal than they currently had. Now, 493 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: I need to explain what was currently going on before 494 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: I go into where we're going. I'm talking about currently 495 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: going on in that region. In that region, it's not 496 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: as if everybody was ethnically Italian or Austrian or something 497 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: like that. Italy itself, as I mentioned, was very divided, 498 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: different dialects all. I mean from the north. If you're 499 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: in the far northern part of Italy at this time 500 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: and you talk to somebody from the far south, you 501 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: may not even really understand each other and you're both 502 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: speaking Italian. That's how different, the different the different ethnic 503 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: ethnic history of the whole place was. I guess I'll 504 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: put it that way ethnicities. But even that's not necessarily fair. 505 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: You understand what I mean. It's a different place. Austria 506 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: Hungary is the exact same thing. In the northern part 507 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: of Italy. There's a border. They know where the border is, 508 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: but there's all kinds of trade and commerce going on 509 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 2: because these two countries are not at war with each 510 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: other in this area. One part of this border was 511 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 2: a barbed wire fence across a field. You just if 512 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: you were trading goods and services and they did, you'd 513 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: be back and forth. And maybe you're in Italy technically, 514 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: but maybe your loyalty is more with Austria because you're 515 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 2: dealing with those people and vice versa. Maybe you're technically 516 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: part of Austria, but you're mainly dealing with the Italian 517 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: village that's a mile away. So it's a mess. It's 518 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: not clear, it's not defined. And again Italy is new, new, 519 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: very very new at this point in time, about fifty 520 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: sixty years old. At this point in times. New Italy 521 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: decides they're a free agent. Germany. Germany goes to Austria Hungary. 522 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: Germany was constantly frustrated with Austria Hungary. I should point out, 523 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: Germany goes to Austria Hungary and they said, hey, uh, 524 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: you really need to give something up to the Italians, 525 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 2: the Italians. We want them on our side. We don't 526 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: want to have to deal with the Italians because that 527 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: creates a third front in the war. Pause on everything 528 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: we'll come back to this third front. Let's talk about 529 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: the other two just as a basic because a lot 530 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: of people don't know. There are two fronts at this 531 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: time in World War One. There is the Western Front. 532 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: Germany invaded France, France dug in. There are now trenches 533 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: on both sides. That's the Western Front, and Britain's involved them. 534 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: Just simplifying this, So that's the Western Front. There's an 535 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: Eastern Front, Russia, the Russians. Everyone was worried about the 536 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: Russians getting in. They tried to talk the Russians out 537 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: adjoining the war, but the Russians joined in the war, 538 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: and Russians decided they were going to attack Germany and 539 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: Austria Hungary. So Germany had to send troops, Austria Hungary 540 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 2: had to send troops to the Eastern Front to fight 541 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: the Russians off. So now Germany, Austra Hungary, the Central Powers. 542 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: That's why they call them that, they're stuck there in 543 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: the middle. 544 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: They're the peanut butter. Russia's the bread, Britain, France is 545 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: the bread. They're already sandwiched on two sides, two fronts. 546 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: That's already one more front than you want what they 547 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 3: absolutely positively do not want is a third front on 548 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 3: the bottom, a third front from the south. And Germany 549 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 3: knows this. Germany knows how overstretched it is. Germany starts 550 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 3: going to Austria Hungary and saying, please give them something. 551 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: Italy wants. 552 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: They want some territory, they want this mountain range here, 553 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 2: they want that, they want, they want control of this. Okay, 554 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: I know you don't want to, but we can't have 555 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 2: Italy joining the side of the Allies. Please give them something. 556 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: But Austria Hungry suffered at this point in time from 557 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 2: something we all suffer from from time to time. 558 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 3: Pride. 559 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: Pride is one of those deadly sins, isn't it. In sales, 560 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 2: in our. 561 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 3: V sales, which, as you know, I used to do. 562 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 2: We used to talk all the time about pride costing 563 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: people deals. I'm not dealing with them. I'm not calling 564 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: him back. Look, I did it. I was guilty of 565 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: it cost myself money. Pride is a killer, man. It 566 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: kills nations too. Austria Hungary the way they saw it 567 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 2: was this, we are Austria Hungary. We are this powerful empire, 568 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: which they weren't really anymore. But we are this powerful empire. 569 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 2: We're fighting this huge war against the biggest nations on 570 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 2: Earth at the time, the most powerful countries on Earth. 571 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: We're not fighting this huge war to give up territory. 572 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 2: We're Austria hungry. We're not giving up any territory. We're 573 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 2: fighting this to reclaim our former glory and to gain territory. 574 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 2: And they certainly weren't in the mood to give up 575 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: the lush mountain fortresses on their southern border. And they 576 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: definitely weren't in the mood to give up those lush 577 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 2: mountain fortresses to a new country they didn't feel very 578 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: fond of. In fact, Remember, racial prejudice is not new. 579 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: It's the essence of man. Everyone's guilty of it. They 580 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 2: thought Italians were lower and I'm not just talking about heightwise, 581 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: which of course they are. They really thought Italians were 582 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 2: of a lower species. All people thought that way back then. 583 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 2: So we got a problem. All right, Maybe I'll do 584 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: a couple more segments on this before we get back 585 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 2: to the new. 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