WEBVTT - Episode 2 - Twin, Call Me

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<v Speaker 1>If money comes power, and sometimes people could get lucky,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not the smartest people that get lucky and

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<v Speaker 1>they have that money that shouldn't have power, and they

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<v Speaker 1>say power corrupts. What you see us today, asked, is

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<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing us before? It didn't change us. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the structures, specifically in Chicago during the time

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<v Speaker 1>period where minorities would be suppressed. So it's they just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the money the way those cool leather jackets

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<v Speaker 1>the Panthers had. What they was trying to run their

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods at that point, the threat is just a white

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<v Speaker 1>person saying you're coming home. You get attacked and sucked over.

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<v Speaker 1>Just forbid this. In those early points, the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>is willing to stand in front because he got a

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<v Speaker 1>good debt all you can really throw a punt. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily have any leadership skills or abilities. It's funny

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<v Speaker 1>because people call those nerves and stuff gil. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>compliment to me. It's pretty tough to me. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that ain't cool now, And the beginning THERD wasn't cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That was like rcle. Yeah, but you're doing things like

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<v Speaker 1>because you watched a lot of movies and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of videos. You know what, sail, If I did everything

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<v Speaker 1>that they did, I'd be dead, like I tell them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be dead and broke. So I'm hoping that, like

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<v Speaker 1>when we're telling our story, and you know, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to my wife about this all the time that people

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we're trying to glamb my life. What

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<v Speaker 1>we want you to know is that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff right now. I've got to st Jackson and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving old Chappo. The

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<v Speaker 1>twins who brought down the drug wall. Can you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>being taken on drug runs by the age of seven

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<v Speaker 1>years old, taught the family business, and by the time

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<v Speaker 1>you're seventeen, you've got one million dollars in cash under

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<v Speaker 1>your bed. And that was just from three months work

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<v Speaker 1>for the Flores twins. That was just the starting point.

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<v Speaker 1>They were out on their own. The dad futuritive in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>the brother in prison. I remember having a note left

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<v Speaker 1>in our door and my brother's house forward staying at

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<v Speaker 1>there was a notice call me come twin coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>When I did car it was it was Tommy. He

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<v Speaker 1>was my brother's I'm connect the stores of for getting drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells me, Look, I just pulled into the McDonald's

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<v Speaker 1>right here. I'm getting twenty six and I remember just

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<v Speaker 1>put it into to meet him. No, and he's stands,

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<v Speaker 1>increase me. How you've been? How's your brother? He tells

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<v Speaker 1>me right away, like litten, I'm gonna post it. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to offer you work to see if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to up work with me. I got kettos of cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to know you needed something. I was

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<v Speaker 1>like I needed something, like but look, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you something. I'm pretty sure that you your brother

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<v Speaker 1>could move it. I just wanted to discuss if you're interested.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, well, I'm interested, but I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I could help you really know, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, let me calls someone I know that

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<v Speaker 1>it might be interested. I call him, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this trustice friend in our family ends up

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<v Speaker 1>becoming our very first customer and we need to go

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<v Speaker 1>to eat something. You know. He doesn't take me too serious.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still nervous, like you know, I don't have no

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<v Speaker 1>money to buy him, Like, no, don't worry, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>lend them to you. Just be careful, you know. He's like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>just go home, man, I'm gonna be sending my brother,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to go see you. So I remember going

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<v Speaker 1>home him showing up. I remember, you know, tell him

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<v Speaker 1>go around the back. I've opened the card board. He

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<v Speaker 1>pulls in. I still remember he has a gold camera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sunny out, you know. I'm like, okay, I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for him, tuning to give me a bag. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on. He gets off the front seat, jumps in

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<v Speaker 1>the back seat. I know what he's doing, like from

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<v Speaker 1>my express with my brothers, like there's a station department. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they call it a trap. So I can see him

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<v Speaker 1>in the back seat pulling it out. When I go

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<v Speaker 1>get the bag, I'm gonna pull it with my shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what you know, it's heavy. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's in it, but I'm thinking, okay, going to the house.

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<v Speaker 1>He pulls out and I opened the bag and I

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<v Speaker 1>see that there's like bricks and bricks, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you saying? And now start calling him and

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<v Speaker 1>there's dirty kilos right wait a minute, So I call him.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, I think you brother made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent me thirty kilos. He laughed. He said, and

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, man, You're gonna do good. Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just do what you gotta do. Com Me when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you have some money. That was like a big moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember me and my brother talked to me. He

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<v Speaker 1>have the keys, like wherever we're gonna do, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell him. Now, we're gonna tell him. I was excited

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, we got this, Like I'm spending

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<v Speaker 1>the money in my head. First thing you do is

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<v Speaker 1>we could a window open on the keilos, which is

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<v Speaker 1>common for some reason. I always see the keylos like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could a little triangle. Now you pull back

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<v Speaker 1>to those people who don't know a kilo. Actually, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on where it comes from. At that time, it was

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<v Speaker 1>more common to actually have ky locokine looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>flat brick, like more of a a brick shape. If

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to different shapes, it's not they come with

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<v Speaker 1>inner tubes, because if they're throwing in the ocean, in

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<v Speaker 1>the water, you know, yeah, that's the kind of condom.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like. It's not that from you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>source where it was made. Because they're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>the precaution to make sure that it's protected, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get wet, and it has later it comes laters, plastic,

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<v Speaker 1>clear layers. It might be a tape, it might be

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<v Speaker 1>a duct tape, aluminum foil, you know where in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times by the time it gets there,

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<v Speaker 1>someone already has opened it, put a cutting agent into it,

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<v Speaker 1>reshaped it, and send it so it doesn't need the rubber,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of the balloon. So it's a fast

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<v Speaker 1>way to tell. And it also has a stamp inside,

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<v Speaker 1>which will come from like the fact three it was made,

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<v Speaker 1>or the or what they call the laboratory when we

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<v Speaker 1>buy kilos, the what stamp do you want? And you

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<v Speaker 1>could say rolex a frog, a bear. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the brick. It has a stick on it. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar bill, a hundred dollar bill with a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of a woman. And I'm painting back the layers and

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<v Speaker 1>we look and we see that it looks good, like

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<v Speaker 1>it looks smell. It smells good. Did you know what

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<v Speaker 1>it should smell? Just think smell. You're going back to

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<v Speaker 1>my brother's days. Just you know, he always made sure

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<v Speaker 1>he got the best quality and the reason why it

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<v Speaker 1>has to come package like that's because you can't buy coke,

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<v Speaker 1>like no one will buy code from me at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>coming from my bag, because that means that you could

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<v Speaker 1>easily put cut into it. And these are made for

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<v Speaker 1>us to actually they're sold in the street for them

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to either cut it or you can

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<v Speaker 1>make it the crack. They need the purity. And my

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<v Speaker 1>older brother they used to call him the re rock key.

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<v Speaker 1>What they'll do is take a good kilo, put some

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<v Speaker 1>cutting it, make it back look like a regular kilo

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<v Speaker 1>because they want, I guess people who snort, why not

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<v Speaker 1>like break it or whatever the cases. So we would

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<v Speaker 1>help in the process. So you need what the smells like,

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<v Speaker 1>and just to qualify when you mean it means it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it with something and you need some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin or yeah, you know something like you know that's ingestible.

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<v Speaker 1>We looked at the cocaine and it has like a

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<v Speaker 1>nice little glass. He kind of like a probly kind

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<v Speaker 1>of looked to it. Gossie. You know, we're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good, so uncil we you know, like we're excited.

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<v Speaker 1>My older brother that had these stash compartments made in

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<v Speaker 1>the in our home, and one of one was in

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<v Speaker 1>my bedroom and there was there was a mirror, a

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<v Speaker 1>mirror on the wall and it would have two remote controls,

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<v Speaker 1>one for the power and one for the to pop

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<v Speaker 1>it like a trunk. The reason for the power is

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<v Speaker 1>just in case they come. And the FED had like

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<v Speaker 1>equipment that were the surgeries and power surchers, power schurgers

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<v Speaker 1>that would make things open. So we've cut the power off.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember couldn't power on. I could hear the more

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<v Speaker 1>to run and then popping it and it was still

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<v Speaker 1>working good and throw all the ketles in that then

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<v Speaker 1>calling that customer. Come on. Our customer comes and he's

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<v Speaker 1>like I showed him. It was like he feels back

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<v Speaker 1>the layers and the Southern and he's like, man, you

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<v Speaker 1>got some kilos and you really got one. Yeah, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy shingle. Look, man, don't tell nobody you have them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, let me make some cause we've seen his

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<v Speaker 1>eyes lit up. We knew when he did that. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm going to take advantage of this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think instantly we started kind of like saying

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<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna depend on one person. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>us literally by the balls if he was our only customer,

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<v Speaker 1>so he takes them by the end of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>like he came back with the money. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>took its longer account the money that they didn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>sell the kilos, because remember you're coming and you have

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of you know, ones and fives and tens

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<v Speaker 1>and twenties, and you're like, we don't have no money.

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<v Speaker 1>Would sound that say it's account The probly took of

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<v Speaker 1>like four hours. I think the excitement was it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe we just made you know whatever, how

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<v Speaker 1>much is it? It was like maybe twentieth thousands, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was still a lot of money for us. We're

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen years old. Just to recap, we went from not

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<v Speaker 1>having much one day to having a minuteous worth of

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<v Speaker 1>drugs in her hands seventeen years old, to being able

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<v Speaker 1>to sell them make money. And now you know what

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<v Speaker 1>the money we made were seventeen that day. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I said before we were hugged, we were addicted to

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<v Speaker 1>that life. Junry Cars closed going down. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't paid to every going into every club. We're seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to be where all the dolts are he

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<v Speaker 1>took money for that. You're easily spending thousand lots of

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<v Speaker 1>day and anything food and food restaurants. We were used

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<v Speaker 1>to eating good. We're wasting a lot of money and

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<v Speaker 1>we're like walking work. So my brother and I started

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<v Speaker 1>saving money. We say we hustled hard and we just

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<v Speaker 1>saved saying we took the money we just needed to

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<v Speaker 1>live on. And I remember things like once we had

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<v Speaker 1>that millond, with this, we could buy Vintikilo's cash right,

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<v Speaker 1>make a hundred grand four times a month, like we

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<v Speaker 1>can't live even We did it once a where we

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<v Speaker 1>can't live off, that's something wrong with us. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>allowuntil we started having pronounce with the Fens that we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of dumb things. Their older brother, Armando

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<v Speaker 1>was the only person they could rely on, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was now in prison, so with no one else to

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<v Speaker 1>turn to, they decided to take a quick trip down

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<v Speaker 1>to Mexico to cool off with the Feds and get

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<v Speaker 1>so much needed fatherly advice. I still remember going to

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<v Speaker 1>being in Mexico and my father sending us down and

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<v Speaker 1>he pointed out our our mistakes. You're ready on the run,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, listen, you guys gotta figure out what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys want. You're here, like where you're gonna live, where's

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<v Speaker 1>your cart? If you didn't think about none of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you just here you spend your money on and what

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<v Speaker 1>he would call them things and and bullshit. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the future, like our business, you know, our our

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<v Speaker 1>plans about the wood is you know how we can

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<v Speaker 1>make it better? Like what we could actually do, And

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<v Speaker 1>he would tell I wanted to know something. Prisons hard,

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<v Speaker 1>Prison is hard, and you guys don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to prison. But he's right, I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to prison and don't. And I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>wake up call like Okay, we're only going to start

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<v Speaker 1>focusing and what we're going to do and what we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing wrong. And me and my brother just started like saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's focus on it, concent trade on being successful. And

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<v Speaker 1>they helped that. When we got back, the feeder are

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<v Speaker 1>still on us. Let's be And it wasn't about let's

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<v Speaker 1>be successful, let's not get caught. The main goal was like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get a cut. The twins returned from their three

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<v Speaker 1>months Mexican sabbatical armed with their father's expert advice and

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<v Speaker 1>set about building their business in Chicago. It was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>We never said let's just start by that, and degree

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<v Speaker 1>was sold. Set in that You're like, there's too much

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<v Speaker 1>money to be made. Our customers d drugs and began

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<v Speaker 1>to inverse, like out of the profits that we're making

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<v Speaker 1>and back into the business. It's like me, You're wondering

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<v Speaker 1>where to seventeen year old learned the entrepreneurial skills to

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<v Speaker 1>start their own business. Well, it turns out I learned

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<v Speaker 1>it from the same place many kids do. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to mcdwals. Might I take you order? Yeah, that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>amongst the happy meals and the chicken nuggets. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>Pete and Jay refined their trade. I go to mcdonals,

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<v Speaker 1>apply for the job. They give me the job. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the job and the sense of responsibility. A little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen that there's nothing but fifteen and sixteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old kids working at McDonald's and I'm thinking, like, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're making McDonalds millions and millions of dollars. The learned

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<v Speaker 1>managers come again, so someone the workers at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know English, probably did read it. How write

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<v Speaker 1>with guests like they made that restaurant, one of those

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<v Speaker 1>successful restaurants in the city. Why could it be created

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<v Speaker 1>the system where you can't mess it up, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>can't mess it up, man, you can learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>run McDonald's on a day, like you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>took advantage of opportunity. And that's what I was seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was learning the business part at McDonald's. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just like I'm learning to do fries. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>learning the girl. I watched the dishes, I did the

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<v Speaker 1>drive through, I did the front. We were working there.

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<v Speaker 1>We were like, man, lunchtime on was packed. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>black like they're making money, Like we're learning that valley.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that helps as well because later in

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<v Speaker 1>my career, like I had to do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm I'm I'm pushing hundreds of kilos at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, you knowing, addicting what we're gonna need the

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<v Speaker 1>first of the month come around, I'm gonna need a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in the middle of moment. I'm gonna have another way.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm making these these arrangements for my trucks to

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<v Speaker 1>beat ready to go. Within a couple of days of

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<v Speaker 1>the personal month, I'm picking up millions and minutes of why.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me explain why, because for some months it was

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<v Speaker 1>government checks coming or people get paid, just like first

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<v Speaker 1>of it, like we're those are are money making times.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the times that you want to have the

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<v Speaker 1>drugs available on the streets, need them. I'm thinking to

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<v Speaker 1>myself like, wow, one of McDonald's one day, not just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that they're making a lot of money for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people own it, but just for the structure of it,

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<v Speaker 1>like business concept. The way they did things was so

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<v Speaker 1>like even that before I read any books on business,

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<v Speaker 1>it was real simple to me, like this is perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was also the team environment that working

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<v Speaker 1>something collectively. I think that people always say that they

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a part of something and like that's

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<v Speaker 1>where they joined gangs and stuff. I think that commitment

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<v Speaker 1>when you bring people together and you're doing something something good.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be positive, but like working with

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<v Speaker 1>the out a group of people, like I could see

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<v Speaker 1>myself being a team leader and working like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I look for, like just to be involved. I think

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<v Speaker 1>remember it took that concept and how to treat our workers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and what we could do for them to

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<v Speaker 1>make them feel more comfortable, more safe. You know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take that and continue to grow it and and

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<v Speaker 1>and learn from that. For me, though, those tedious little

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<v Speaker 1>details like that, McDonald's win the extra mile to make

0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the catchup pump and the mustard pump to

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<v Speaker 1>release exact amount of mustard, the exact amount of catchup

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<v Speaker 1>needed for everybody to taste the same every time, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you're gonna get. That's why people go

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<v Speaker 1>to accounts that because it's great burgers, because you know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're gonna get. I remember they said, well, wash

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<v Speaker 1>your hands, you know, every fifteen minutes. Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>went to wash my hands and they had a system

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<v Speaker 1>for that, and they actually have to tell people how

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<v Speaker 1>to wash their hands. Here's the remainders are signs everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>just in case, and look, this is what I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Later on, I remember to look, this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be our system because the last thing you want

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<v Speaker 1>to just have key little missing work at McDonald's thinking

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<v Speaker 1>like he didn't at the beginning stage, like and you

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<v Speaker 1>dropped something, throw that ship out. I didn't cost you

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<v Speaker 1>another thing. Man, get the customer what they want. They

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<v Speaker 1>ain't cost me you nothing. At one time they were

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<v Speaker 1>both working and Um one of the older Mexican and

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<v Speaker 1>guys I was working there. He was from Mexico, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know English. We won't got a black of cheese and

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<v Speaker 1>he was walking back with it and the cheese fell

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor. The floors are greasy, they're dirty. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he picked on the block of cheese. Now it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a pepper jack cheese and he was about to

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<v Speaker 1>put it back on. The cheese continued with me and

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<v Speaker 1>my brother like what are you doing? And then we

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<v Speaker 1>look at each other, We're like, it's not your fucking cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a thousand blocks of cheese and the freezer. Trust me, Mike,

0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 1>that was not gonna care. They don't care more that

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<v Speaker 1>you're give somebody some cheese with hair on that. But

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.280
<v Speaker 1>it's Joe's the mentality that you would think it's common sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We had that problem. Were some of our people who

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, no, no, I'm not going to leave that.

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<v Speaker 1>There would be like it's not your don't worry about

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<v Speaker 1>what's gonna be loss. Worry about yourself. And we learned.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, industry even here, a lot of people say

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<v Speaker 1>they got shopped because they would get up there their

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<v Speaker 1>chain and leave it. But we looked at the give

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<v Speaker 1>you get me that position. You're one, it's yours tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>go by another one learned to take a loss when

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<v Speaker 1>we worked it like I think in probably jay and

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of insight. And I got a good

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<v Speaker 1>feeling to like being moved around and do all. My

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<v Speaker 1>brother got a little signs of power to that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to abuse right away. I'm in charge of sending

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<v Speaker 1>people to do things, and he's not happy that he

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<v Speaker 1>has to go clean up department. And it's Friday night

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<v Speaker 1>and this bumper a bumper traffic and told me say,

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<v Speaker 1>if one's closing it around, and he's like yes. My

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<v Speaker 1>brother could have chose any one or the other twelve

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<v Speaker 1>workers there, and he would decide to choose to me

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<v Speaker 1>every Friday or Saturday night I worked, or Sunday, which

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<v Speaker 1>was happened to be the biggest busiest time for a

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<v Speaker 1>little village, and he would choose me no matter what.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason he thought he was teaching me a lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I was just like, you just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>rub it in. Why would you send back that I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like he doesn't understand, like like every boy, every other man,

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<v Speaker 1>every other person would be like, you know, today's your turn,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie tomorrow. I did have other piloy. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, I know, if you're just sending me

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<v Speaker 1>because your brother, you're just sending me because your brother.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, I wanted my brothers to feel

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<v Speaker 1>okay that he worked in my dolls were you're good brother?

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<v Speaker 1>Like so what he wanted to make sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>felt comfortable working with that do me a favorite? I

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<v Speaker 1>didend let's go back right now we're saying like that

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<v Speaker 1>as a square protrucer. So everyone out there who's working

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<v Speaker 1>at McDonald's just that's great for sure. But you know

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.399
<v Speaker 1>what you could want more? You can on where you

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<v Speaker 1>will have to be like, oh my god, I love

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning up the whole parking lot with a broom. You

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<v Speaker 1>could to yourself, this isn't gonna be like the template.

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<v Speaker 1>What are what's the big deal? What? What was the

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<v Speaker 1>big when they sent me every day and went every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny how we would go through these motions. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a great experience for both of us. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the neighborhood McDonald's and little village, Chicago was an

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<v Speaker 1>old haunt for the Forest family. It was the very

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<v Speaker 1>spot where their father made the deal that got him

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and where the twins made their first ever deal

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<v Speaker 1>that got their business started. We started implementing little things

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<v Speaker 1>that we could do it. First of all, we can't

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 1>have drugs where we're living, so we need somewhere though

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.679
<v Speaker 1>put them away. We would call stats somewhere, so we needed, like, uh,

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 1>a stash, a place to stats from. So we started

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<v Speaker 1>off with garages, empty garages in regular neighborhoods. And we

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>started like just we would get a bunch of them,

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<v Speaker 1>those three or four of them. We started like saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna invest in in vehicles with static compartments. Instead

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<v Speaker 1>of buying one or two, we said, okay, let's buy

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<v Speaker 1>three or four. After you started making the money, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't about the money anymore. It was about this is

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<v Speaker 1>what we do for me and my brother. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's times where we didn't know how much money we had.

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<v Speaker 1>We just know we had a lot of money. Our

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<v Speaker 1>friend Gus, he takes us to the to the shop

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<v Speaker 1>and says, look, buy these money machines. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>do I really need it. He's like, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do with things right? And do you want to

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.959
<v Speaker 1>keep doing things the way you're doing. I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I was like okay, and he pulled two money machines

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<v Speaker 1>out and it was like like six thousand dollars. I

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>was like, six thousand dollars for these two money machines,

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<v Speaker 1>like I can cull him by hand. Later on, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that was one of the best decisions I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever made. A part our business to a different level

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>when you could package your money and send it like

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<v Speaker 1>the way they do it, whether it was a minute

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<v Speaker 1>dollars or fifty minute and the safe time in your

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<v Speaker 1>manage station. And I remember the machines. I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>it was my favorite machine and I looked for everywhere.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 1>It was like toyo, come and see fifty. If you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have that machine, like, let me go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>With the business we were doing, we burned through a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of machines. It was a concept we added as

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a as a cause that every month we were going

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to buy poor machines. Every month we're spending and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so sad when they were like, oh, we don't make

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>them them. We only refurbished, and I like, what when

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 1>that kind of money starts rolling in the streets, start talking,

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>especially in a place like Little Village in the nineties

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:25.199
<v Speaker 1>where gang violence was so dominant that mothers were too

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>afraid to let their kids have parties, ride their bikes

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>in front of their homes, or even take the bus.

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't long before Pete had a gun put to

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<v Speaker 1>his head in a home invasion, and the extra attention

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>certainly didn't help them With the Feds. We started noticing

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that there would be there from early morning too minut afternoon,

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>and then we felt like bring gonna have more patience

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>than them. We started making that our schedule get up

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>five six in the afternoon. It's a streets called make

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>sure we were not be followed, Will park our regular

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>cars with our phone, take the battery off our phones,

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>parked the cars and go jumping our other cry and

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>go to work. When we count it. We could be

0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 1>out delivering drugs, collecting money, counting money all to the night,

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>early morning hours. Once we knew it was like BI

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>six and when it was time to us to go

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>back home and go to sleep and let them sit

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>there all day and what she all that and it

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>helped us save money because we were not out spending money.

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>It helps us in a lot of ways, like we

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>could do this and we do things right, we could

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>beat them. We also started to find out that we

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>were the people that were they were interested, so we

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>could get other people to do our business for us.

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Then we could be selling drugs when we were sitting

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:03.239
<v Speaker 1>at home. So not long after that, we acquired our

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>first worker who was really close friends of us growing up,

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and in the way, we started training them to a

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>business that almost came match to us. They are like

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and then like we were we ever did this before,

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm just trying to come and down do what either.

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>We started noticing that he would make dumb decisions like

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>your what are you doing you like? And that kind

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>of was taught us that what we knew we couldn't

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>expect someone else to understand or no, if it was

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that he parked the car in the garage the wrong way,

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>because you know, we couldn't get to the status. Whatever

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the cases, I'm like, now you gotta take the car back.

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Got like those little things details, I think naturally, without

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>even noticing, we were kind of we started becoming leaders right,

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>he when he questioned us, we're gonna start kind of

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>implemencing a system that we didn't know at that time,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 1>was from what we learned, you know, working on the downs.

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I think the biggest thing to get someone's respect like

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>that was that they've seen us, like I'd get in

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the car and put fifty in the back seat and

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>delivering myself like I didn't have a problem doing that,

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and go pick up the money and do the stuff

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that I was asking someone else to do for me,

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, And if there was a situation where I

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel comfortable doing it, I wouldn't have someone else

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>doing that, That's plain simple. Nor I would never do that.

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>And at the end of the day, I never went

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to bed or went to party or did anything until

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I knew that everybody was home safe. I think people

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>can even understand how how involved we were in our

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 1>day to day business, Like you weren't talking to no

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>one but me, and I'm gonna, you know, negotiate the price.

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna negotiate the quantity, and then they could call

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>them like all right, listen, send me fifty kilos and

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.959
<v Speaker 1>make sure that the business parts taking care of. Then

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>we could car our workers and be like, listen, you know,

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>go to the slashouse and um, get fifty kelos. Call

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>me when you're at the house before you leave, confirmed

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the count. Before you get to the house, drive around,

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 1>make sure they're no funny cards in neighborhood as soon

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>as you walk in the house, before you even go

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>to the kilos. Check the front door, check the mailbox,

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>like the last thing you wanted to builds panting up

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 1>in front. We found out that it wasn't good that

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>we were using our phone like a right there phone

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and if people will get ahold of you there and

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you're calling your one, and we started realizing that the

0:31:53.920 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>pledge will just listening and wait. They are saying, well, okay,

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna buy these phones and this is just for

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>me to talk to you know, they're not registered, they're prepaid.

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>If no one wants that. We had these phones and

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>we just called this phone to that phone number and

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 1>we could talk about whatever we want. So we kind

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>of call it like a clone the phone. Like. So

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>we had our house phone, which was a phone that

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>was registered to our our name that we use, you know,

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>for our family, and then everybody else got one of

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>these clone phones were like I'm going to talk to you.

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Don't call away from this phone, and that that's sort

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>of heart. The poondes are hard to get. It was like,

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>don't mess up this phone, man, don't call no one.

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And I still remember like if someone jumps in the

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>car and uses your phone or something, let me know,

0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>let's throw them away, like don't risk so much or

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 1>laziness and trust me. Like at the end, we're spending

0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars a minute a week. And then because earlier,

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, when cellphones were still expensive, right, Pete and

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.959
<v Speaker 1>Jay soon worked out that to be successful they had

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to make sure they were ahead of the demand and

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>always have a supply of drugs available. This became instrumental

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>to their success. In fact, when the tragedy of nine

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 1>eleven happened and America's borders were immediately tightened, the brothers

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>were the only ones with a local drug supply. Actually

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>in the US, their business dominated, so it was a

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>scaling parted just killed them. We actually found out that

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>having one source of Appla wasn't cause we're depending on

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>one person, so we had to start ranch now looking

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>around then the same way we're looking for customers, and

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>we're always looking for a social apply before they I

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>think the insentuals laid down the foundation of our operation

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>was to have the stash houses because if you can't

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>keep the work, save the cocaine, the drug, saving the money. Said,

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of like you're starting out wrong. How many

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>So we started off like with our first one, it

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>was a sticker shock. We're like, you know, we started

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>off with garaging. You know, it's easy if you can,

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll go up for people who we need. You know,

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I need your garage down dollars one. And we didn't

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>like the in and out in these like regular neighborhoods.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>They creates traffic that people getting dozzy. And then and

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>those neighbors that the costs pull you over because you're suspicious.

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>They pull you off the car, they search your car,

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>they don't ask you can see your license if they

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>get the funk out of the car right now, I

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>need and you're like, here's my license and they'll step you.

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>So we never took no drugs to little villas. You know,

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>we buy brand new cars and we clip them. We

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:56.840
<v Speaker 1>could go to the car out and we were actually

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.359
<v Speaker 1>we were shopping for the clothes. I'd be like, give

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>me that car, that one, and that one and that one.

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>As soon as our vehicles started getting a little old,

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there's something funny. We give those sorry customers, and we

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>take the new ones, and we try to have a

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 1>consistent car, Like a consistent car, consistent color in that

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't look suspicious going. You know, you have a stash

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>house and you don't want tanging different cars coming in there,

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>or shiny car word like, okay, that's so many cars

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>going into that. We wanted to be consistent. Does he

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>want the most common cars? Keeping the business off the

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>police radar also meant operating where the police weren't, like

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the fancier parts of town. So along with the cars

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>came nice houses, houses that, for all intents and purposes,

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>look like someone lived there, furniture and all, but the

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 1>only thing actually living there piles and piles of drugs.

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>We're fortunate too to have a woman introduced us by

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>one of our sources. Her name was Actually she was

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>deep into like this fraud life. So she would go

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to these renters and high end you know, neighborhoods and

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>be like, um, you know, human resources for I'll say,

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>we're bringing a bunch of employees many housing. Not only

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>would she do that, she would go furnish the house

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.879
<v Speaker 1>like perfectly and showly passed in pants in the house,

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>like if you just walked out a winebat on the table,

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>dish where clothes and the thing, you know, laundry. I'm like,

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I hope that's not heard their laundry. But you know,

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>in the way we can what we helped to train

0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 1>your to what we need. And we just paid her

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>very well, and it was perfect to feel like that.

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>She was so trustworthy. She becomes like intimately we become

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>really good friends and she's dependable reb be like I

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 1>could lead drugs it and SLEEPO and I and not

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>worry about it. So we liked our thing was better

0:36:55.760 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>make sure and it was good. We'd be like, we

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>want to tach garage to garage, you know in the

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 1>nice area. And and I'm saying that because the rent

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 1>would be like five dollars dollars one month. You know

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>they do they expect the two year leads or whatever

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>somewhere a d and plus her expenses in the furniture.

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>So me, we really would actually talk about the property.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>For instance, if we had it for a while with it.

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.160
<v Speaker 1>That house probably made us five million dollars worth it.

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 1>It kept the safe give the average were too read

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the house, we drop it, we just walk away. That

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>never happened and they could never trace anything back. I

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>asked she she just became part of the team. She

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>was a character because she was a bipolar. We know,

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 1>we had to worry about people's mental health, like we

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.319
<v Speaker 1>had to take Carol and doctors. And that's just who

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 1>gets to the house. And we have the people who

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>get us the cards and the people who do the

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>compartment of people who work for us. I mean, you

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>can down the list the people who get us the phones.

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 1>It was the whole chain of being like logistical and

0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>being a manager, right, so I would say like I

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.439
<v Speaker 1>would have been a beast at Amazon well, because people

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>don't understand in order for me to sell those two

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>thousand keys, we had to have at least four thousand

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>keys in the process, meaning the pipeline and the pipeline.

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I have to actually check the quality of the work myself.

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 1>We don't trust no one. I'm checking the work. I'm

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>making the deals. We have to retuate the price between

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>when I'm I going to receive these keys wherever we're

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>they're going, and what's the price right now? How we're

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>looking because you make a deal the price and the

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>prices go down. What's you take your hand? Let's check

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:58.239
<v Speaker 1>the hand you Oh, it's a whole Yeah, you got you,

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you got you know Ko sitting back too. You were

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a thousand kilos in California in the border, you know,

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>across the border, you got you know, in transportation, there's

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.479
<v Speaker 1>a prostle. You gotta bring the money back. Little truck

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>weighs a certain way. You have to think. Okay, So

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we had three and fifty kilos in there, and we

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:26.439
<v Speaker 1>calculate that every build ways around the ground. So you're like, okay,

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I keep fit the same amount of money money, So

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I would wait, I would package the money on a

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand bills, which is okay. You literally have them blad.

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>The money is weighing two tons, Just send back, Just

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 1>send back. So if you get on the scale and

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the truck gets on the scale and supposed to wait

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:52.759
<v Speaker 1>something and it's over, you have a problem. You don't

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 1>think about that, then you're not doing right. So we

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>have to calculate with the way. You know, what's the

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>way they're gonna give you, because money weighs a lot

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>when it's involved when they're doing those movies like the

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>heist movies and they're running out the back. So I

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 1>mean only people that know would know, right. So we're

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>sending back like nine hundred pounds of money. Sometimes that's

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 1>not my truck. Be like this is good, Like they

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>have a good route, it's a good routine, good driver,

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 1>good everything. How are we're packing it in? We're gonna

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>send whatever money we could, eighty million dollars, whatever we could.

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>That was the money we had to pay back to

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the car top was our money. So the same smuggling

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>rules that you take the keys and get to the

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>backwards that it's backwards, and it's another rus getting back,

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>getting in back and make sure gis so. In the

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>foreign countries. The only thing that you could buy Joe

0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:11.959
<v Speaker 1>into the cats. I tell them, I said, you can't

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 1>go there with a credit card. You know, that's a

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>whole process on its own, and it's one of the

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:23.399
<v Speaker 1>harder parts of the business. Believe or not, Like transporting box.

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I do believe that's something. With everything that we know,

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>we'd make great consultants for the government for the right percentage.

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Everything that they're doing is not working. Like any good

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:42.359
<v Speaker 1>delivery business, the more demands, the more stock you need,

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>But of course you need somewhere to keep all that stock.

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>For j and Pete, they eventually had more stash houses

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>than they could keep track of, so they began naming

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>them after the local points of interest they were near,

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 1>as far as anyone else knew. Eats and Jay's workers

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 1>just really enjoyed stopping by seven eleven, the dry cleaners, well,

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the salmon shop, quizners. But there was one other place

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>they loved to visit. We love that West Loop area,

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit in downtown in Chicago and right by

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Oprah's Winfrey studio, and we would meet people there sometimes

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 1>and we'd be like, meet me by the rich pitch.

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm meeting by the Richard And that was

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 1>like our common theme, like I'm making an OPA for sure.

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And what's funny is that when from have you one no,

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:40.240
<v Speaker 1>not less, I'm saying like, I don't mean her studios

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>right there. And we would actually play ball across the

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.919
<v Speaker 1>street at Hoops, the gym that was right in front

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>of Washington Street. We would hang out there downtown that

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>was like safe at the time and quiet, and we

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>could eat their shop there and live there and it

0:42:56.560 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 1>felt like home, Like I mean, that was our playground.

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Just you know, like me implement these little things experences.

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<v Speaker 1>All workers always had cottage shirts, this blue one, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>downtown workers, right, put on your shirt when you're driving

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<v Speaker 1>Seaport on easy. Just follow the rules. Things that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna stick up. We could still just how we're wanting.

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<v Speaker 1>We have our shirt just in case we had to

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<v Speaker 1>do something, don't were just those little bit implements will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to like maneuver in the streets like comfortably.

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<v Speaker 1>And how old we at this point? Plenty? Move over,

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Basos. The Flora's Twins had a complex shipping supply chain,

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>moving drugs across America. By this time, they were just

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years old, not to mention a small workforce and

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<v Speaker 1>even a strictly enforced dress code. I remember when I

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<v Speaker 1>met Jay, he actually shook my hand, and then I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's weird. You know, everybody is that that polite? And

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 1>he was just well mannered. There's a couple more important

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<v Speaker 1>characters I'd like to introduce you to who are pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>to the Twins story. Meet Val Val had a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>in the local scene back then, I think say nineties

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Kim Kardashian. She was the o g known for her

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<v Speaker 1>extensive use of plastic surgery and her stylish fashion choices,

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<v Speaker 1>but pink was her go to color, so she became

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<v Speaker 1>known as Barbie because she looked so much like the doll.

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<v Speaker 1>Val and Jay got together and eventually married. He reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of my dad. My dad is a Chicago police officer,

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<v Speaker 1>and he raised me and my sibling to the best

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<v Speaker 1>that he could. While if I may have been the

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<v Speaker 1>child of a police officer, her background is not all

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<v Speaker 1>that different to Jay's. I felt like at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was around the wrong crowd, and I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of got addicted too being with a bad

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<v Speaker 1>boy because they were mysterious. I felt like I was

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<v Speaker 1>very shy, you know, being a kid when I was

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<v Speaker 1>growing up. I just was in a situation where there

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<v Speaker 1>was people around me, and you know, they were bringing

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<v Speaker 1>drugs from California to Chicago. And I started off by

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<v Speaker 1>being a mule. And a mule is somebody that would

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<v Speaker 1>take a trip, whether it's to l a or whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's to Mexico and bring drugs back to Chicago. And

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<v Speaker 1>I started that at a very young age, eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom raised me to be very strong, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like there's nothing that a man can do that

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't do better. I felt like I don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to depend on anyone. I could do it myself. I

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<v Speaker 1>just started getting addicted to this lifestyle and I just

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<v Speaker 1>continue to take these trips and I continue to risk

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:52.880
<v Speaker 1>my life. I would drive from Mexico to Chicago without stopping.

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't going to stop. I was fearless. I come

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<v Speaker 1>from a family of law enforce meant every time that

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<v Speaker 1>I would get stopped, I was like just name dropping

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and everybody knew who my family was. I felt like invincible,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt like I was never gonna get caught.

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I was only going to allow my parents, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to see what I wanted them to see. I would

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<v Speaker 1>tell them what they wanted to hear because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want them to worry about me. So as I was

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<v Speaker 1>taking all these trips to Mexico, I always had a

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<v Speaker 1>reason for not being here, and it's like I never

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>wanted them to worry. So it's like I almost lived

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:42.160
<v Speaker 1>this double life without them knowing. They got caught in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>The car was in my name. Another worker was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to bring it up. They kind of got scared and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to drive it. So I immediately jumped in,

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>like I'll just take it myself. I jumped in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>I drove it up to the border and there's these

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<v Speaker 1>border stops. They'll pull you over and they have these checkpoints.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll lift your car up on lift and they'll start checking,

0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, the gas tank. They dropped the gas tank

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and they found the drugs. The guy that I was with,

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<v Speaker 1>he was scared, and I was like, listen, the car

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 1>is already in my name. It's okay. They're gonna go home,

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>like I'm just gonna take the weight because there's no

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<v Speaker 1>point of all of us going to prison. They put

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<v Speaker 1>me in front of a judge in less than seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two hours and they sentenced me to ten years. Up next,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll surviving El Chapel, the twins who brought down a

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<v Speaker 1>drug lawd They would give me one phone call a

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<v Speaker 1>month to call my family, and I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest thing, just telling my family that I was

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<v Speaker 1>in prison in Mexico. I think that was my biggest fear,

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<v Speaker 1>more than being there. I know that they cried so much.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister told me she slept on the tile floor

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<v Speaker 1>because she wanted to know what it felt like to

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<v Speaker 1>be where I was at Surviving El Chapo. The Twins

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<v Speaker 1>Who Brought Down a Drug lawd is hosted by Curtis

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<v Speaker 1>fifty s Jackson and me Charlie Webster. Our producers all

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<v Speaker 1>myself alongside Jackson mcclennan. Research and editorial support is from

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Hurts. Edit and sound designed by Ni Cooper Ella,

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<v Speaker 1>original score by Ryan Sorenson and additional music by Nico Palella.

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