1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: If money comes power, and sometimes people could get lucky, 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, not the smartest people that get lucky and 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: they have that money that shouldn't have power, and they 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: say power corrupts. What you see us today, asked, is 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: what you're seeing us before? It didn't change us. A 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: lot of the structures, specifically in Chicago during the time 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: period where minorities would be suppressed. So it's they just 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: didn't have the money the way those cool leather jackets 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: the Panthers had. What they was trying to run their 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: neighborhoods at that point, the threat is just a white 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: person saying you're coming home. You get attacked and sucked over. 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: Just forbid this. In those early points, the guy that 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: is willing to stand in front because he got a 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: good debt all you can really throw a punt. It 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have any leadership skills or abilities. It's funny 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: because people call those nerves and stuff gil. That's a 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: compliment to me. It's pretty tough to me. I feel 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: like that ain't cool now, And the beginning THERD wasn't cool. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: That was like rcle. Yeah, but you're doing things like 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: because you watched a lot of movies and a lot 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: of videos. You know what, sail, If I did everything 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: that they did, I'd be dead, like I tell them, 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: I'd be dead and broke. So I'm hoping that, like 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: when we're telling our story, and you know, I talked 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: to my wife about this all the time that people 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: I think that we're trying to glamb my life. What 27 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: we want you to know is that there's a lot 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: of stuff right now. I've got to st Jackson and 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Webster and this is surviving old Chappo. The 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: twins who brought down the drug wall. Can you imagine 31 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: being taken on drug runs by the age of seven 32 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: years old, taught the family business, and by the time 33 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: you're seventeen, you've got one million dollars in cash under 34 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: your bed. And that was just from three months work 35 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: for the Flores twins. That was just the starting point. 36 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: They were out on their own. The dad futuritive in Mexico, 37 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: the brother in prison. I remember having a note left 38 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: in our door and my brother's house forward staying at 39 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: there was a notice call me come twin coming in. 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: When I did car it was it was Tommy. He 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: was my brother's I'm connect the stores of for getting drugs. 42 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: He tells me, Look, I just pulled into the McDonald's 43 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: right here. I'm getting twenty six and I remember just 44 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: put it into to meet him. No, and he's stands, 45 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: increase me. How you've been? How's your brother? He tells 46 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: me right away, like litten, I'm gonna post it. I 47 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: wanted to offer you work to see if you wanted 48 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: to up work with me. I got kettos of cocaine 49 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: and I wanted to know you needed something. I was 50 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: like I needed something, like but look, I want to 51 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: give you something. I'm pretty sure that you your brother 52 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: could move it. I just wanted to discuss if you're interested. 53 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm interested, but I'm not sure. 54 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: You know I could help you really know, Like I 55 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: was like, well, let me calls someone I know that 56 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: it might be interested. I call him, you know, like 57 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, this trustice friend in our family ends up 58 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: becoming our very first customer and we need to go 59 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: to eat something. You know. He doesn't take me too serious. 60 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm still nervous, like you know, I don't have no 61 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: money to buy him, Like, no, don't worry, I'm gonna 62 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: lend them to you. Just be careful, you know. He's like, look, 63 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: just go home, man, I'm gonna be sending my brother, 64 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, to go see you. So I remember going 65 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: home him showing up. I remember, you know, tell him 66 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: go around the back. I've opened the card board. He 67 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: pulls in. I still remember he has a gold camera. 68 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: It's sunny out, you know. I'm like, okay, I'm waiting 69 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: for him, tuning to give me a bag. He says, 70 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: hold on. He gets off the front seat, jumps in 71 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: the back seat. I know what he's doing, like from 72 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: my express with my brothers, like there's a station department. No, 73 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: they call it a trap. So I can see him 74 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: in the back seat pulling it out. When I go 75 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: get the bag, I'm gonna pull it with my shoulder. 76 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, what you know, it's heavy. I don't know 77 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: what's in it, but I'm thinking, okay, going to the house. 78 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: He pulls out and I opened the bag and I 79 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: see that there's like bricks and bricks, and I'm like, 80 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: what are you saying? And now start calling him and 81 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: there's dirty kilos right wait a minute, So I call him. 82 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I think you brother made a mistake. 83 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: He sent me thirty kilos. He laughed. He said, and 84 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: don't worry, man, You're gonna do good. Don't worry about it. 85 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: Just do what you gotta do. Com Me when you 86 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: when you have some money. That was like a big moment. 87 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: I remember me and my brother talked to me. He 88 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: have the keys, like wherever we're gonna do, We're gonna 89 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: tell him. Now, we're gonna tell him. I was excited 90 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, we got this, Like I'm spending 91 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: the money in my head. First thing you do is 92 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: we could a window open on the keilos, which is 93 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: common for some reason. I always see the keylos like this, 94 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: and you could a little triangle. Now you pull back 95 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: to those people who don't know a kilo. Actually, depending 96 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: on where it comes from. At that time, it was 97 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: more common to actually have ky locokine looks like a 98 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: flat brick, like more of a a brick shape. If 99 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: it comes to different shapes, it's not they come with 100 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: inner tubes, because if they're throwing in the ocean, in 101 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: the water, you know, yeah, that's the kind of condom. 102 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: It feels like. It's not that from you know, the 103 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: source where it was made. Because they're going to take 104 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: the precaution to make sure that it's protected, it doesn't 105 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: get wet, and it has later it comes laters, plastic, 106 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: clear layers. It might be a tape, it might be 107 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: a duct tape, aluminum foil, you know where in Chicago. 108 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: A lot of times by the time it gets there, 109 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: someone already has opened it, put a cutting agent into it, 110 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: reshaped it, and send it so it doesn't need the rubber, 111 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, kind of the balloon. So it's a fast 112 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: way to tell. And it also has a stamp inside, 113 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: which will come from like the fact three it was made, 114 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: or the or what they call the laboratory when we 115 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: buy kilos, the what stamp do you want? And you 116 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: could say rolex a frog, a bear. I'm looking at 117 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: the brick. It has a stick on it. It has 118 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: a dollar bill, a hundred dollar bill with a picture 119 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: of a woman. And I'm painting back the layers and 120 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: we look and we see that it looks good, like 121 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: it looks smell. It smells good. Did you know what 122 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: it should smell? Just think smell. You're going back to 123 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: my brother's days. Just you know, he always made sure 124 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: he got the best quality and the reason why it 125 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: has to come package like that's because you can't buy coke, 126 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: like no one will buy code from me at that time, 127 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: coming from my bag, because that means that you could 128 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: easily put cut into it. And these are made for 129 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: us to actually they're sold in the street for them 130 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: to be able to either cut it or you can 131 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: make it the crack. They need the purity. And my 132 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: older brother they used to call him the re rock key. 133 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: What they'll do is take a good kilo, put some 134 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: cutting it, make it back look like a regular kilo 135 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: because they want, I guess people who snort, why not 136 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: like break it or whatever the cases. So we would 137 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: help in the process. So you need what the smells like, 138 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: and just to qualify when you mean it means it 139 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: makes it with something and you need some kind of 140 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: vitamin or yeah, you know something like you know that's ingestible. 141 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: We looked at the cocaine and it has like a 142 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: nice little glass. He kind of like a probly kind 143 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: of looked to it. Gossie. You know, we're like, okay, 144 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: it's good, so uncil we you know, like we're excited. 145 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: My older brother that had these stash compartments made in 146 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: the in our home, and one of one was in 147 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: my bedroom and there was there was a mirror, a 148 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: mirror on the wall and it would have two remote controls, 149 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: one for the power and one for the to pop 150 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: it like a trunk. The reason for the power is 151 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: just in case they come. And the FED had like 152 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: equipment that were the surgeries and power surchers, power schurgers 153 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: that would make things open. So we've cut the power off. 154 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: I remember couldn't power on. I could hear the more 155 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: to run and then popping it and it was still 156 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: working good and throw all the ketles in that then 157 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: calling that customer. Come on. Our customer comes and he's 158 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: like I showed him. It was like he feels back 159 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: the layers and the Southern and he's like, man, you 160 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: got some kilos and you really got one. Yeah, he's like, 161 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: holy shingle. Look, man, don't tell nobody you have them. 162 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: You know, let me make some cause we've seen his 163 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: eyes lit up. We knew when he did that. He 164 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to take advantage of this situation. 165 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: And I think instantly we started kind of like saying 166 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: we're not gonna depend on one person. You don't have 167 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: us literally by the balls if he was our only customer, 168 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: so he takes them by the end of the night, 169 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: like he came back with the money. I think it 170 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: took its longer account the money that they didn't actually 171 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: sell the kilos, because remember you're coming and you have 172 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: a pile of you know, ones and fives and tens 173 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: and twenties, and you're like, we don't have no money. 174 00:11:52,040 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Would sound that say it's account The probly took of 175 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: like four hours. I think the excitement was it was like, 176 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe we just made you know whatever, how 177 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: much is it? It was like maybe twentieth thousands, but 178 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: it was still a lot of money for us. We're 179 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: seventeen years old. Just to recap, we went from not 180 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: having much one day to having a minuteous worth of 181 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: drugs in her hands seventeen years old, to being able 182 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: to sell them make money. And now you know what 183 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: the money we made were seventeen that day. You know, 184 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: I said before we were hugged, we were addicted to 185 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: that life. Junry Cars closed going down. You know, we 186 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: hadn't paid to every going into every club. We're seventeen. 187 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 1: We want to be where all the dolts are he 188 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: took money for that. You're easily spending thousand lots of 189 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: day and anything food and food restaurants. We were used 190 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: to eating good. We're wasting a lot of money and 191 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: we're like walking work. So my brother and I started 192 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: saving money. We say we hustled hard and we just 193 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: saved saying we took the money we just needed to 194 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: live on. And I remember things like once we had 195 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: that millond, with this, we could buy Vintikilo's cash right, 196 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: make a hundred grand four times a month, like we 197 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: can't live even We did it once a where we 198 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: can't live off, that's something wrong with us. It wasn't 199 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: allowuntil we started having pronounce with the Fens that we're 200 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: doing a lot of dumb things. Their older brother, Armando 201 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: was the only person they could rely on, and he 202 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: was now in prison, so with no one else to 203 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: turn to, they decided to take a quick trip down 204 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: to Mexico to cool off with the Feds and get 205 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: so much needed fatherly advice. I still remember going to 206 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: being in Mexico and my father sending us down and 207 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: he pointed out our our mistakes. You're ready on the run, 208 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: he said, listen, you guys gotta figure out what you 209 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: guys want. You're here, like where you're gonna live, where's 210 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: your cart? If you didn't think about none of that, 211 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: you just here you spend your money on and what 212 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: he would call them things and and bullshit. We talked 213 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: about the future, like our business, you know, our our 214 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: plans about the wood is you know how we can 215 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: make it better? Like what we could actually do, And 216 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: he would tell I wanted to know something. Prisons hard, 217 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: Prison is hard, and you guys don't want to go 218 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: to prison. But he's right, I don't want to go 219 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: to prison and don't. And I think it was a 220 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: wake up call like Okay, we're only going to start 221 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: focusing and what we're going to do and what we're 222 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: doing wrong. And me and my brother just started like saying, okay, 223 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: let's focus on it, concent trade on being successful. And 224 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: they helped that. When we got back, the feeder are 225 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: still on us. Let's be And it wasn't about let's 226 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: be successful, let's not get caught. The main goal was like, 227 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: don't get a cut. The twins returned from their three 228 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: months Mexican sabbatical armed with their father's expert advice and 229 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: set about building their business in Chicago. It was funny. 230 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: We never said let's just start by that, and degree 231 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: was sold. Set in that You're like, there's too much 232 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: money to be made. Our customers d drugs and began 233 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: to inverse, like out of the profits that we're making 234 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: and back into the business. It's like me, You're wondering 235 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: where to seventeen year old learned the entrepreneurial skills to 236 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: start their own business. Well, it turns out I learned 237 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: it from the same place many kids do. Yeah, right, 238 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: welcome to mcdwals. Might I take you order? Yeah, that's right, 239 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: amongst the happy meals and the chicken nuggets. That's where 240 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: Pete and Jay refined their trade. I go to mcdonals, 241 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: apply for the job. They give me the job. I 242 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: love the job and the sense of responsibility. A little bit. 243 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: I've seen that there's nothing but fifteen and sixteen year 244 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: old kids working at McDonald's and I'm thinking, like, and 245 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: they're making McDonalds millions and millions of dollars. The learned 246 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: managers come again, so someone the workers at that time, 247 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know English, probably did read it. How write 248 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: with guests like they made that restaurant, one of those 249 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: successful restaurants in the city. Why could it be created 250 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: the system where you can't mess it up, Like you 251 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: can't mess it up, man, you can learn how to 252 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: run McDonald's on a day, like you know. And I 253 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: took advantage of opportunity. And that's what I was seeing, 254 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: Like I was learning the business part at McDonald's. Like 255 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't just like I'm learning to do fries. I'm 256 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: learning the girl. I watched the dishes, I did the 257 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: drive through, I did the front. We were working there. 258 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: We were like, man, lunchtime on was packed. There's a 259 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: black like they're making money, Like we're learning that valley. 260 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: And I think that helps as well because later in 261 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: my career, like I had to do the same thing. 262 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm I'm pushing hundreds of kilos at 263 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: the time, you knowing, addicting what we're gonna need the 264 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: first of the month come around, I'm gonna need a 265 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: lot in the middle of moment. I'm gonna have another way. 266 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: So I'm making these these arrangements for my trucks to 267 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: beat ready to go. Within a couple of days of 268 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: the personal month, I'm picking up millions and minutes of why. 269 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: Let me explain why, because for some months it was 270 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: government checks coming or people get paid, just like first 271 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: of it, like we're those are are money making times. 272 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: Those are the times that you want to have the 273 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: drugs available on the streets, need them. I'm thinking to 274 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: myself like, wow, one of McDonald's one day, not just 275 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: thinking that they're making a lot of money for you know, 276 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: people own it, but just for the structure of it, 277 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: like business concept. The way they did things was so 278 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: like even that before I read any books on business, 279 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: it was real simple to me, like this is perfect. 280 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I think it was also the team environment that working 281 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: something collectively. I think that people always say that they 282 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: want to be a part of something and like that's 283 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: where they joined gangs and stuff. I think that commitment 284 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: when you bring people together and you're doing something something good. 285 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be positive, but like working with 286 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: the out a group of people, like I could see 287 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: myself being a team leader and working like that's what 288 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: I look for, like just to be involved. I think 289 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: remember it took that concept and how to treat our workers, 290 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: you know, and what we could do for them to 291 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: make them feel more comfortable, more safe. You know, we're 292 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna take that and continue to grow it and and 293 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: and learn from that. For me, though, those tedious little 294 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: details like that, McDonald's win the extra mile to make 295 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, the catchup pump and the mustard pump to 296 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: release exact amount of mustard, the exact amount of catchup 297 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: needed for everybody to taste the same every time, Like 298 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get. That's why people go 299 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: to accounts that because it's great burgers, because you know 300 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. I remember they said, well, wash 301 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: your hands, you know, every fifteen minutes. Yeah, And I 302 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: went to wash my hands and they had a system 303 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: for that, and they actually have to tell people how 304 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: to wash their hands. Here's the remainders are signs everywhere, 305 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: just in case, and look, this is what I wanted 306 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: to do. Later on, I remember to look, this is 307 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna be our system because the last thing you want 308 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: to just have key little missing work at McDonald's thinking 309 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: like he didn't at the beginning stage, like and you 310 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: dropped something, throw that ship out. I didn't cost you 311 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: another thing. Man, get the customer what they want. They 312 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: ain't cost me you nothing. At one time they were 313 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: both working and Um one of the older Mexican and 314 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: guys I was working there. He was from Mexico, didn't 315 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: know English. We won't got a black of cheese and 316 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: he was walking back with it and the cheese fell 317 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: on the floor. The floors are greasy, they're dirty. Now 318 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: he picked on the block of cheese. Now it looks 319 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: like a pepper jack cheese and he was about to 320 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: put it back on. The cheese continued with me and 321 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: my brother like what are you doing? And then we 322 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: look at each other, We're like, it's not your fucking cheese. 323 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: There's a thousand blocks of cheese and the freezer. Trust me, Mike, 324 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: that was not gonna care. They don't care more that 325 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: you're give somebody some cheese with hair on that. But 326 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: it's Joe's the mentality that you would think it's common sense. 327 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: We had that problem. Were some of our people who 328 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: they were like, no, no, I'm not going to leave that. 329 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: There would be like it's not your don't worry about 330 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: what's gonna be loss. Worry about yourself. And we learned. 331 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, industry even here, a lot of people say 332 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: they got shopped because they would get up there their 333 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: chain and leave it. But we looked at the give 334 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: you get me that position. You're one, it's yours tomorrow 335 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: go by another one learned to take a loss when 336 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: we worked it like I think in probably jay and 337 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: not a lot of insight. And I got a good 338 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: feeling to like being moved around and do all. My 339 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: brother got a little signs of power to that he 340 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: wanted to abuse right away. I'm in charge of sending 341 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: people to do things, and he's not happy that he 342 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: has to go clean up department. And it's Friday night 343 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: and this bumper a bumper traffic and told me say, 344 00:22:52,600 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: if one's closing it around, and he's like yes. My 345 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: brother could have chose any one or the other twelve 346 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: workers there, and he would decide to choose to me 347 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: every Friday or Saturday night I worked, or Sunday, which 348 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: was happened to be the biggest busiest time for a 349 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: little village, and he would choose me no matter what. 350 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: For some reason he thought he was teaching me a lesson. 351 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: To me, I was just like, you just wanted to 352 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: rub it in. Why would you send back that I'm saying, 353 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: like he doesn't understand, like like every boy, every other man, 354 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: every other person would be like, you know, today's your turn, 355 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: Charlie tomorrow. I did have other piloy. I didn't want 356 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: to be like, I know, if you're just sending me 357 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: because your brother, you're just sending me because your brother. 358 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: At the same time, I wanted my brothers to feel 359 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: okay that he worked in my dolls were you're good brother? 360 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Like so what he wanted to make sure that I 361 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: felt comfortable working with that do me a favorite? I 362 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: didend let's go back right now we're saying like that 363 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: as a square protrucer. So everyone out there who's working 364 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: at McDonald's just that's great for sure. But you know 365 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: what you could want more? You can on where you 366 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: will have to be like, oh my god, I love 367 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: cleaning up the whole parking lot with a broom. You 368 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: could to yourself, this isn't gonna be like the template. 369 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: What are what's the big deal? What? What was the 370 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: big when they sent me every day and went every day. 371 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: So it's funny how we would go through these motions. Anyways, 372 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: it was a great experience for both of us. I 373 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: think the neighborhood McDonald's and little village, Chicago was an 374 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: old haunt for the Forest family. It was the very 375 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: spot where their father made the deal that got him 376 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: arrested and where the twins made their first ever deal 377 00:24:53,520 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: that got their business started. We started implementing little things 378 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: that we could do it. First of all, we can't 379 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: have drugs where we're living, so we need somewhere though 380 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: put them away. We would call stats somewhere, so we needed, like, uh, 381 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: a stash, a place to stats from. So we started 382 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: off with garages, empty garages in regular neighborhoods. And we 383 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: started like just we would get a bunch of them, 384 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: those three or four of them. We started like saying, okay, 385 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna invest in in vehicles with static compartments. Instead 386 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: of buying one or two, we said, okay, let's buy 387 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: three or four. After you started making the money, it 388 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: wasn't about the money anymore. It was about this is 389 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: what we do for me and my brother. I mean, 390 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: there's times where we didn't know how much money we had. 391 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: We just know we had a lot of money. Our 392 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: friend Gus, he takes us to the to the shop 393 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: and says, look, buy these money machines. And I'm like, 394 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: do I really need it. He's like, do you want 395 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: to do with things right? And do you want to 396 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: keep doing things the way you're doing. I remember when 397 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: I was like okay, and he pulled two money machines 398 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: out and it was like like six thousand dollars. I 399 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: was like, six thousand dollars for these two money machines, 400 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: like I can cull him by hand. Later on, I 401 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: was like, that was one of the best decisions I've 402 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: ever made. A part our business to a different level 403 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: when you could package your money and send it like 404 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: the way they do it, whether it was a minute 405 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: dollars or fifty minute and the safe time in your 406 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: manage station. And I remember the machines. I tell you 407 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: it was my favorite machine and I looked for everywhere. 408 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: It was like toyo, come and see fifty. If you 409 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: didn't have that machine, like, let me go somewhere else. 410 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: With the business we were doing, we burned through a 411 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: lot of machines. It was a concept we added as 412 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: a as a cause that every month we were going 413 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: to buy poor machines. Every month we're spending and it's 414 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: so sad when they were like, oh, we don't make 415 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: them them. We only refurbished, and I like, what when 416 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: that kind of money starts rolling in the streets, start talking, 417 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: especially in a place like Little Village in the nineties 418 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: where gang violence was so dominant that mothers were too 419 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: afraid to let their kids have parties, ride their bikes 420 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: in front of their homes, or even take the bus. 421 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't long before Pete had a gun put to 422 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: his head in a home invasion, and the extra attention 423 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: certainly didn't help them With the Feds. We started noticing 424 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: that there would be there from early morning too minut afternoon, 425 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: and then we felt like bring gonna have more patience 426 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: than them. We started making that our schedule get up 427 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: five six in the afternoon. It's a streets called make 428 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: sure we were not be followed, Will park our regular 429 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: cars with our phone, take the battery off our phones, 430 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: parked the cars and go jumping our other cry and 431 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: go to work. When we count it. We could be 432 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: out delivering drugs, collecting money, counting money all to the night, 433 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: early morning hours. Once we knew it was like BI 434 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: six and when it was time to us to go 435 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: back home and go to sleep and let them sit 436 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: there all day and what she all that and it 437 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: helped us save money because we were not out spending money. 438 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: It helps us in a lot of ways, like we 439 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: could do this and we do things right, we could 440 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: beat them. We also started to find out that we 441 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: were the people that were they were interested, so we 442 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: could get other people to do our business for us. 443 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: Then we could be selling drugs when we were sitting 444 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: at home. So not long after that, we acquired our 445 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: first worker who was really close friends of us growing up, 446 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: and in the way, we started training them to a 447 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: business that almost came match to us. They are like 448 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: and then like we were we ever did this before, 449 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm just trying to come and down do what either. 450 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: We started noticing that he would make dumb decisions like 451 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: your what are you doing you like? And that kind 452 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: of was taught us that what we knew we couldn't 453 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: expect someone else to understand or no, if it was 454 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: that he parked the car in the garage the wrong way, 455 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: because you know, we couldn't get to the status. Whatever 456 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: the cases, I'm like, now you gotta take the car back. 457 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: Got like those little things details, I think naturally, without 458 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: even noticing, we were kind of we started becoming leaders right, 459 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: he when he questioned us, we're gonna start kind of 460 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: implemencing a system that we didn't know at that time, 461 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: was from what we learned, you know, working on the downs. 462 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing to get someone's respect like 463 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: that was that they've seen us, like I'd get in 464 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: the car and put fifty in the back seat and 465 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: delivering myself like I didn't have a problem doing that, 466 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: and go pick up the money and do the stuff 467 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: that I was asking someone else to do for me, 468 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, And if there was a situation where I 469 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable doing it, I wouldn't have someone else 470 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: doing that, That's plain simple. Nor I would never do that. 471 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I never went 472 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: to bed or went to party or did anything until 473 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I knew that everybody was home safe. I think people 474 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: can even understand how how involved we were in our 475 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: day to day business, Like you weren't talking to no 476 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: one but me, and I'm gonna, you know, negotiate the price. 477 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna negotiate the quantity, and then they could call 478 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: them like all right, listen, send me fifty kilos and 479 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: make sure that the business parts taking care of. Then 480 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: we could car our workers and be like, listen, you know, 481 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: go to the slashouse and um, get fifty kelos. Call 482 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: me when you're at the house before you leave, confirmed 483 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: the count. Before you get to the house, drive around, 484 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: make sure they're no funny cards in neighborhood as soon 485 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: as you walk in the house, before you even go 486 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: to the kilos. Check the front door, check the mailbox, 487 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: like the last thing you wanted to builds panting up 488 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: in front. We found out that it wasn't good that 489 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: we were using our phone like a right there phone 490 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: and if people will get ahold of you there and 491 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: you're calling your one, and we started realizing that the 492 00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: pledge will just listening and wait. They are saying, well, okay, 493 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna buy these phones and this is just for 494 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: me to talk to you know, they're not registered, they're prepaid. 495 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: If no one wants that. We had these phones and 496 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: we just called this phone to that phone number and 497 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: we could talk about whatever we want. So we kind 498 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: of call it like a clone the phone. Like. So 499 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: we had our house phone, which was a phone that 500 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: was registered to our our name that we use, you know, 501 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: for our family, and then everybody else got one of 502 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: these clone phones were like I'm going to talk to you. 503 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: Don't call away from this phone, and that that's sort 504 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: of heart. The poondes are hard to get. It was like, 505 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: don't mess up this phone, man, don't call no one. 506 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: And I still remember like if someone jumps in the 507 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: car and uses your phone or something, let me know, 508 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: let's throw them away, like don't risk so much or 509 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: laziness and trust me. Like at the end, we're spending 510 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a minute a week. And then because earlier, 511 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, when cellphones were still expensive, right, Pete and 512 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 1: Jay soon worked out that to be successful they had 513 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: to make sure they were ahead of the demand and 514 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: always have a supply of drugs available. This became instrumental 515 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: to their success. In fact, when the tragedy of nine 516 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: eleven happened and America's borders were immediately tightened, the brothers 517 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: were the only ones with a local drug supply. Actually 518 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: in the US, their business dominated, so it was a 519 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: scaling parted just killed them. We actually found out that 520 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: having one source of Appla wasn't cause we're depending on 521 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: one person, so we had to start ranch now looking 522 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: around then the same way we're looking for customers, and 523 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: we're always looking for a social apply before they I 524 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: think the insentuals laid down the foundation of our operation 525 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: was to have the stash houses because if you can't 526 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: keep the work, save the cocaine, the drug, saving the money. Said, 527 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: you're kind of like you're starting out wrong. How many 528 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: So we started off like with our first one, it 529 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: was a sticker shock. We're like, you know, we started 530 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: off with garaging. You know, it's easy if you can, 531 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: we'll go up for people who we need. You know, 532 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: I need your garage down dollars one. And we didn't 533 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: like the in and out in these like regular neighborhoods. 534 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: They creates traffic that people getting dozzy. And then and 535 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: those neighbors that the costs pull you over because you're suspicious. 536 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: They pull you off the car, they search your car, 537 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: they don't ask you can see your license if they 538 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: get the funk out of the car right now, I 539 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: need and you're like, here's my license and they'll step you. 540 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: So we never took no drugs to little villas. You know, 541 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: we buy brand new cars and we clip them. We 542 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: could go to the car out and we were actually 543 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: we were shopping for the clothes. I'd be like, give 544 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: me that car, that one, and that one and that one. 545 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: As soon as our vehicles started getting a little old, 546 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: there's something funny. We give those sorry customers, and we 547 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: take the new ones, and we try to have a 548 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: consistent car, Like a consistent car, consistent color in that 549 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't look suspicious going. You know, you have a stash 550 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: house and you don't want tanging different cars coming in there, 551 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: or shiny car word like, okay, that's so many cars 552 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: going into that. We wanted to be consistent. Does he 553 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: want the most common cars? Keeping the business off the 554 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: police radar also meant operating where the police weren't, like 555 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: the fancier parts of town. So along with the cars 556 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: came nice houses, houses that, for all intents and purposes, 557 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: look like someone lived there, furniture and all, but the 558 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: only thing actually living there piles and piles of drugs. 559 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: We're fortunate too to have a woman introduced us by 560 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: one of our sources. Her name was Actually she was 561 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: deep into like this fraud life. So she would go 562 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: to these renters and high end you know, neighborhoods and 563 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: be like, um, you know, human resources for I'll say, 564 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: we're bringing a bunch of employees many housing. Not only 565 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: would she do that, she would go furnish the house 566 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: like perfectly and showly passed in pants in the house, 567 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: like if you just walked out a winebat on the table, 568 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: dish where clothes and the thing, you know, laundry. I'm like, 569 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: I hope that's not heard their laundry. But you know, 570 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: in the way we can what we helped to train 571 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: your to what we need. And we just paid her 572 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: very well, and it was perfect to feel like that. 573 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: She was so trustworthy. She becomes like intimately we become 574 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: really good friends and she's dependable reb be like I 575 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: could lead drugs it and SLEEPO and I and not 576 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: worry about it. So we liked our thing was better 577 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: make sure and it was good. We'd be like, we 578 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: want to tach garage to garage, you know in the 579 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 1: nice area. And and I'm saying that because the rent 580 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: would be like five dollars dollars one month. You know 581 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: they do they expect the two year leads or whatever 582 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: somewhere a d and plus her expenses in the furniture. 583 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: So me, we really would actually talk about the property. 584 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: For instance, if we had it for a while with it. 585 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: That house probably made us five million dollars worth it. 586 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: It kept the safe give the average were too read 587 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: the house, we drop it, we just walk away. That 588 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: never happened and they could never trace anything back. I 589 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: asked she she just became part of the team. She 590 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: was a character because she was a bipolar. We know, 591 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: we had to worry about people's mental health, like we 592 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: had to take Carol and doctors. And that's just who 593 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: gets to the house. And we have the people who 594 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: get us the cards and the people who do the 595 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: compartment of people who work for us. I mean, you 596 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: can down the list the people who get us the phones. 597 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: It was the whole chain of being like logistical and 598 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: being a manager, right, so I would say like I 599 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: would have been a beast at Amazon well, because people 600 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: don't understand in order for me to sell those two 601 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: thousand keys, we had to have at least four thousand 602 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: keys in the process, meaning the pipeline and the pipeline. 603 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: I have to actually check the quality of the work myself. 604 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: We don't trust no one. I'm checking the work. I'm 605 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: making the deals. We have to retuate the price between 606 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: when I'm I going to receive these keys wherever we're 607 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: they're going, and what's the price right now? How we're 608 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: looking because you make a deal the price and the 609 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: prices go down. What's you take your hand? Let's check 610 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: the hand you Oh, it's a whole Yeah, you got you, 611 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: you got you know Ko sitting back too. You were 612 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: a thousand kilos in California in the border, you know, 613 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: across the border, you got you know, in transportation, there's 614 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: a prostle. You gotta bring the money back. Little truck 615 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: weighs a certain way. You have to think. Okay, So 616 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: we had three and fifty kilos in there, and we 617 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,439 Speaker 1: calculate that every build ways around the ground. So you're like, okay, 618 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: I keep fit the same amount of money money, So 619 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: I would wait, I would package the money on a 620 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: thousand bills, which is okay. You literally have them blad. 621 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: The money is weighing two tons, Just send back, Just 622 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: send back. So if you get on the scale and 623 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: the truck gets on the scale and supposed to wait 624 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: something and it's over, you have a problem. You don't 625 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: think about that, then you're not doing right. So we 626 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: have to calculate with the way. You know, what's the 627 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: way they're gonna give you, because money weighs a lot 628 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: when it's involved when they're doing those movies like the 629 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: heist movies and they're running out the back. So I 630 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: mean only people that know would know, right. So we're 631 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: sending back like nine hundred pounds of money. Sometimes that's 632 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: not my truck. Be like this is good, Like they 633 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: have a good route, it's a good routine, good driver, 634 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: good everything. How are we're packing it in? We're gonna 635 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: send whatever money we could, eighty million dollars, whatever we could. 636 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: That was the money we had to pay back to 637 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: the car top was our money. So the same smuggling 638 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: rules that you take the keys and get to the 639 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: backwards that it's backwards, and it's another rus getting back, 640 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: getting in back and make sure gis so. In the 641 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: foreign countries. The only thing that you could buy Joe 642 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,959 Speaker 1: into the cats. I tell them, I said, you can't 643 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: go there with a credit card. You know, that's a 644 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: whole process on its own, and it's one of the 645 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 1: harder parts of the business. Believe or not, Like transporting box. 646 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: I do believe that's something. With everything that we know, 647 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: we'd make great consultants for the government for the right percentage. 648 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: Everything that they're doing is not working. Like any good 649 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: delivery business, the more demands, the more stock you need, 650 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: But of course you need somewhere to keep all that stock. 651 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: For j and Pete, they eventually had more stash houses 652 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: than they could keep track of, so they began naming 653 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: them after the local points of interest they were near, 654 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: as far as anyone else knew. Eats and Jay's workers 655 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: just really enjoyed stopping by seven eleven, the dry cleaners, well, 656 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: the salmon shop, quizners. But there was one other place 657 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: they loved to visit. We love that West Loop area, 658 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: a little bit in downtown in Chicago and right by 659 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: Oprah's Winfrey studio, and we would meet people there sometimes 660 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 1: and we'd be like, meet me by the rich pitch. 661 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: All right, I'm meeting by the Richard And that was 662 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: like our common theme, like I'm making an OPA for sure. 663 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: And what's funny is that when from have you one no, 664 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 1: not less, I'm saying like, I don't mean her studios 665 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: right there. And we would actually play ball across the 666 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 1: street at Hoops, the gym that was right in front 667 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: of Washington Street. We would hang out there downtown that 668 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: was like safe at the time and quiet, and we 669 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: could eat their shop there and live there and it 670 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: felt like home, Like I mean, that was our playground. 671 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: Just you know, like me implement these little things experences. 672 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: All workers always had cottage shirts, this blue one, you know, 673 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: downtown workers, right, put on your shirt when you're driving 674 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: Seaport on easy. Just follow the rules. Things that we're 675 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: not gonna stick up. We could still just how we're wanting. 676 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: We have our shirt just in case we had to 677 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: do something, don't were just those little bit implements will 678 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 1: be able to like maneuver in the streets like comfortably. 679 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: And how old we at this point? Plenty? Move over, 680 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 1: Jeff Basos. The Flora's Twins had a complex shipping supply chain, 681 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: moving drugs across America. By this time, they were just 682 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: twenty years old, not to mention a small workforce and 683 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: even a strictly enforced dress code. I remember when I 684 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: met Jay, he actually shook my hand, and then I'm like, 685 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: that's weird. You know, everybody is that that polite? And 686 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: he was just well mannered. There's a couple more important 687 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: characters I'd like to introduce you to who are pivotal 688 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,440 Speaker 1: to the Twins story. Meet Val Val had a reputation 689 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 1: in the local scene back then, I think say nineties 690 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. She was the o g known for her 691 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: extensive use of plastic surgery and her stylish fashion choices, 692 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: but pink was her go to color, so she became 693 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: known as Barbie because she looked so much like the doll. 694 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 1: Val and Jay got together and eventually married. He reminded 695 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 1: me of my dad. My dad is a Chicago police officer, 696 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: and he raised me and my sibling to the best 697 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: that he could. While if I may have been the 698 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,839 Speaker 1: child of a police officer, her background is not all 699 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: that different to Jay's. I felt like at the time, 700 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: I was around the wrong crowd, and I felt like 701 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: I kind of got addicted too being with a bad 702 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: boy because they were mysterious. I felt like I was 703 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: very shy, you know, being a kid when I was 704 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: growing up. I just was in a situation where there 705 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: was people around me, and you know, they were bringing 706 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 1: drugs from California to Chicago. And I started off by 707 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,720 Speaker 1: being a mule. And a mule is somebody that would 708 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: take a trip, whether it's to l a or whether 709 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: it's to Mexico and bring drugs back to Chicago. And 710 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: I started that at a very young age, eighteen years old. 711 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: My mom raised me to be very strong, and I 712 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,880 Speaker 1: felt like there's nothing that a man can do that 713 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't do better. I felt like I don't need 714 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: to depend on anyone. I could do it myself. I 715 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: just started getting addicted to this lifestyle and I just 716 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: continue to take these trips and I continue to risk 717 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: my life. I would drive from Mexico to Chicago without stopping. 718 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to stop. I was fearless. I come 719 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: from a family of law enforce meant every time that 720 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: I would get stopped, I was like just name dropping 721 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: and everybody knew who my family was. I felt like invincible, 722 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,919 Speaker 1: and I felt like I was never gonna get caught. 723 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: I was only going to allow my parents, you know, 724 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: to see what I wanted them to see. I would 725 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: tell them what they wanted to hear because I didn't 726 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: want them to worry about me. So as I was 727 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: taking all these trips to Mexico, I always had a 728 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: reason for not being here, and it's like I never 729 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: wanted them to worry. So it's like I almost lived 730 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: this double life without them knowing. They got caught in Mexico. 731 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: The car was in my name. Another worker was supposed 732 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: to bring it up. They kind of got scared and 733 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to drive it. So I immediately jumped in, 734 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: like I'll just take it myself. I jumped in the car. 735 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 1: I drove it up to the border and there's these 736 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: border stops. They'll pull you over and they have these checkpoints. 737 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: They'll lift your car up on lift and they'll start checking, 738 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, the gas tank. They dropped the gas tank 739 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: and they found the drugs. The guy that I was with, 740 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: he was scared, and I was like, listen, the car 741 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,319 Speaker 1: is already in my name. It's okay. They're gonna go home, 742 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna take the weight because there's no 743 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: point of all of us going to prison. They put 744 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: me in front of a judge in less than seventy 745 00:48:42,640 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: two hours and they sentenced me to ten years. Up next, 746 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: I'll surviving El Chapel, the twins who brought down a 747 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: drug lawd They would give me one phone call a 748 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: month to call my family, and I think that was 749 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: the hardest thing, just telling my family that I was 750 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: in prison in Mexico. I think that was my biggest fear, 751 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: more than being there. I know that they cried so much. 752 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: My sister told me she slept on the tile floor 753 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 1: because she wanted to know what it felt like to 754 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: be where I was at Surviving El Chapo. 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