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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylie Shore, and this is too much

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Speaker 1: to say questions it out you. This week's episode, UM

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Speaker 1: comes from the department of very strong opinions and personal experience.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about homeschooling, UM, why I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of forms of it are wrong, and

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Speaker 1: UM how it affected me in the long run being homeschooled. Disclaimer, UM,

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Speaker 1: I would like to say that this obviously is not

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Speaker 1: all encompassing for everybody who homeschools. For some families and children,

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Speaker 1: it is the absolute right option. I just happened to

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Speaker 1: come from a very poorly um executed homeschooling plan. UM,

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Speaker 1: So I'm only speaking from my experience and the ones

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Speaker 1: that I saw. Also, you know, when you do these

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Speaker 1: co ops and you you do school with other kids

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Speaker 1: every once in a while, you're usually exposed to similar things.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of the experiences and anecdotes that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be pulling into this story are things that

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Speaker 1: I've seen, and they're also very similar to me because

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Speaker 1: we were in the same bubble. So by no means

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Speaker 1: am I trying to do a sleeping generalization on what

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Speaker 1: people should do. But this is what homeschooling did to me.

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Speaker 1: So I was when I was five, my mom decided

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Speaker 1: to not put me in public school and homeschool and

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Speaker 1: she was um living on disability from the government, so

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Speaker 1: she was able to dedicate a lot of time to it.

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Speaker 1: And I wasn't excited about it. Even at five, I

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Speaker 1: knew what I wanted, shocker, right, But I knew that

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Speaker 1: But there was nothing I could do. But it was

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Speaker 1: five years old, and so every year I would talk

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Speaker 1: or I wanted to do violin, or I wanted to

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Speaker 1: Because there's this phenomenon that happens when you're a little

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Speaker 1: kid who's constantly around adults, which is that you get

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Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, it's just like I don't know

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Speaker 1: how to be around other children because nobody ever lets maybe.

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Speaker 1: So I would see them at church and that was

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Speaker 1: as well, so slowly I started to get more socializing

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Speaker 1: in and I've always been an extroverted person, so it

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Speaker 1: was definitely hard to be at home. UM. And so

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Speaker 1: from kindergarten to fifth grade I was homeschooled. Then in

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Speaker 1: UM sixth grade, I went to a fundamentalist Christian private school,

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Speaker 1: which was not much better. And I actually, I still

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Speaker 1: to this day, don't know exactly what happened, and it's

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Speaker 1: kind of embarrassing to admit because it makes me feel stupid.

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Speaker 1: But in the interest of not being shameful about things

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Speaker 1: and poor decisions that were made on your behalf as

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Speaker 1: a child, UM, for for reasons still unknown to me. UM.

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Speaker 1: The class I was in when I was in sixth

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Speaker 1: I got bullied by them. UM. I got pushed down

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Speaker 1: I guess. And so my mom is as opposed to

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Speaker 1: When I was like, hey, I don't really like school

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Speaker 1: And so I left for Christmas break, and I came

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Speaker 1: my life. But it was really fucking shitty to have

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Speaker 1: public school. And truthfully, public school really isn't that bad.

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Speaker 1: And you can't protect your kids forever, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to see ship and it's just a fact, and you

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Speaker 1: they were quote unquote homeschooled. There's um oh. Also, I'd

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Speaker 1: News and Jerry Chance, a truant officer in Kalamazoo County,

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Speaker 1: said the homeschool laws have used up and down, left

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Speaker 1: and right. I despised that law because the families I

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Speaker 1: and they'll say I've decided to home school my child

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Speaker 1: They use homeschooling to hide the death of the children,

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Speaker 1: and there's no welfare checks, there's no regulation. There's this

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Speaker 1: like the A c l U for homeschooling, and it's

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Speaker 1: and um, I've a fact checked everything because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of passionate opinions, which means that like, you know,

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Speaker 1: being murdered. Um obviously, but we're failed by their parents

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Speaker 1: So there's obviously, like abuse is able to run rampant

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Speaker 1: And then it was dumb because on my SA T scores,

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Speaker 1: So the studies that have been done about homeschooling and

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Speaker 1: doing well in the sat VOM. But UM. One of

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Speaker 1: big thing is that the curriculum is not monitored by anybody. Really,

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Speaker 1: And I used to have to read these bat shit

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Speaker 1: are literally insane. Okay, Um, let's start with an eighth

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Speaker 1: grade social studies textbook, the Providence of God. Had it

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Speaker 1: for the religion of the Protestant Reformation to flourish. No,

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Speaker 1: not the providence of God. That's murder and the trail

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Speaker 1: of tears. And none of that was in the textbook,

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Speaker 1: a World studies quote unquote world studies. The only thing

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Speaker 1: saving all these you know, just tragic people. That was

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Speaker 1: literally like what we were taught in. On the front

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Speaker 1: cover of the fucking textbook was the sphinx, the Egyptian sphinx, right,

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Speaker 1: man with blue eyes. I'm sorry, that's just not historically accurate.

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Speaker 1: And the whitewashing was absolutely insane. Um So. Another one

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Speaker 1: is um So. There's there's three different ones that are

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Speaker 1: I'm Kaylee Shore and this is too much to say

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Speaker 1: let's don't ask you questions? Yes, so soon I've got

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