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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do many big things to talk about today.
Speaker 1: Trump of course found guilty on all charges related to
Speaker 1: that hush money trial. We now have some pulling and
Speaker 1: some interesting little old nuggets we can get into about
Speaker 1: what this could mean politically. It's still a big question mark,
Speaker 1: but some tea leads to read there. We also have
Speaker 1: gathered for you a grouping of some of the most
Speaker 1: unhinged media reactions that I think you will certainly enjoy it.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: We have more terrible news with regards to Ukraine. We're
Speaker 1: now getting word that the has officially said, hey, go
Speaker 1: ahead and use our weapons to strike inside of Russia.
Speaker 1: This comes as they continue to have just horrible time
Speaker 1: trying to conscript additional people as becoming a very serious
Speaker 1: and very sensitive issue within Ukraine's will bring you that
Speaker 1: as well. We've got some interesting highlights for you from
Speaker 1: a debate between Dave Smith and Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 5: You are definitely going to want to stay tuned for
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 1: And obviously huge news domestically here with regard to Israelia.
Speaker 1: Biden announcing a ceasefire plan that he claims come from
Speaker 1: the Israelis, but there are some major questions about that.
Speaker 1: Omar Badar is going to join us help to sort
Speaker 1: through fact from fiction. And we also have Congress officially
Speaker 1: inviting Netnyahu to address joint session of Congress. Is very
Speaker 1: high honor now being given to a war criminal. We
Speaker 1: also have more Biden officials who are resigning and speaking
Speaker 1: out over basically what they allege is the Biden administration
Speaker 1: cooking the books on what exactly is happening in Israel.
Speaker 5: Really important things to get into there.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead and start with the Trump verdict op Obviously,
Speaker 2: that happened over the weekend. There was a great breaking
Speaker 2: news segment that we had here on the channel. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna go ahead and break down some of both
Speaker 2: Trump's reactions, some interesting nuggets on polling, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and start with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: He appeared yesterday on Fox and Friends for an extensive
Speaker 2: interview and gave some insight into some of the political
Speaker 2: reaction that may come from him and his supporters.
Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.
Speaker 6: Judge could decide to say, hey, house arrest or even jail.
Speaker 4: It couldn't face that.
Speaker 7: I'm okay with it. I saw one of my lawyers
Speaker 7: the other day on television saying, oh, no, you don't
Speaker 7: want to do that to the press. I said, don't
Speaker 7: you know, beg for anything. You just the way to
Speaker 7: think of it. They have all my books, you know.
Speaker 7: They went to for five years they suit me getting
Speaker 7: my tax returns. At the end of five years, they
Speaker 7: got him. The Supreme Court actually gave it to him.
Speaker 8: That was the end of it.
Speaker 7: If that was it. They never found anything. They hired
Speaker 7: the best accounting firms have I had a pure gold firm.
Speaker 7: They called it a gold rated firm. That's supposed to be.
Speaker 7: Who knows. But with all that, for years you heard
Speaker 7: about my text he foundation and they never found it.
Speaker 7: They never went all the way with the Clinton Foundation.
Speaker 7: Which is sort of interesting, isn't it. But so that
Speaker 7: could happen, I don't know that the public would stand it,
Speaker 7: you know, I don't I'm not sure the public would
Speaker 7: stand for with.
Speaker 4: A ronthouse arrestler.
Speaker 9: Think.
Speaker 7: I think it would be tough for the public to take.
Speaker 7: You know, at a certain point, there's a breaking point.
Speaker 2: All right, at a certain point, there's a breaking point.
Speaker 2: Did you guys see that there inside of it? No,
Speaker 2: it's note worthy there though. To me, Crystal is obviously
Speaker 2: both the hard cut that comes from Fox and Friends
Speaker 2: when he's like, yeah, maybe you know, I could go
Speaker 2: to jail, he said. He seems to believe that this
Speaker 2: is going to be good for him as a result. Now,
Speaker 2: we have no idea whether any of that is true.
Speaker 2: What we do know, though, is that, look, we can
Speaker 2: attest to this too from our own ratings. We made
Speaker 2: sure to cover the Trump trial because we knew that
Speaker 2: the eventual result was going to be important. But let's
Speaker 2: just say most people did not care very much about it.
Speaker 2: But the actual verdict itself that cracks the barrier in
Speaker 2: a way that we haven't seen with Trump and the
Speaker 2: trial related news in a long time. Even CNN broke
Speaker 2: some of this down for what the attention looked like.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8: Google searches for Donald Trump. Look at this percentage up
Speaker 8: three thousand, two hundred and thirty three percent at the
Speaker 8: time of conviction versus the hour before. Kate, Americans were
Speaker 8: really interested in this verdict. This reaches the Google searches
Speaker 8: for Trump a post presidency high on Thursday, So Americans
Speaker 8: might not have been interested before, but they were definitely very,
Speaker 8: very interested in this verdict on Thursday.
Speaker 9: Interest, though, of course, we cannot say, translates into impacts
Speaker 9: on one's vote. No one knows how or even if
Speaker 9: the verdict impacts Donald Trump's political future. But what's the
Speaker 9: case that you're seeing in the numbers that it does
Speaker 9: not hurt him?
Speaker 8: Yeah, what's the case We'll start here that it doesn't
Speaker 8: hurt him. This is a poll number that we've looked
Speaker 8: at before. Trump voters who say they be less likely
Speaker 8: to vote for him if he was convicted.
Speaker 3: Of course, these numbers were before the.
Speaker 8: Conviction, and very few Trump supporters said they would be
Speaker 8: less likely to support him, you know, May twenty twenty
Speaker 8: four seven percent, April twenty twenty four five percent, March
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four ten percent. Very few Trump supporters said
Speaker 8: they'd be less likely to support Biden versus Trump margin
Speaker 8: pre conviction in early many of this was a Marquette
Speaker 8: University Law School poll among likely voters. Trump was ahead
Speaker 8: by three points, but they asked the hypothetical. When asked,
Speaker 8: if Trump was convicted, would it change your vote?
Speaker 3: Take a look at this margin.
Speaker 8: Now we see Joe Biden ahead by five points. Now,
Speaker 8: of course this is a hypothetical question. We don't know
Speaker 8: if the hypothetical actually come to fruition.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's actually the best way to point out
Speaker 2: at Crystal, which is that you know, it's not going
Speaker 2: to have much of an impact amongst people who are
Speaker 2: Trump voters, that hypothetical Trump conviction question. That's really it's
Speaker 2: difficult because that could have been factoring in the January
Speaker 2: sixth trial, the Georgia trial, of the Documents trial, all
Speaker 2: of which he fced far more polite political peril if convicted.
Speaker 2: And what this verdict actually reminded me was what the
Speaker 2: impact of those trials.
Speaker 3: And eventual convictions would have looked.
Speaker 2: Like, because clearly it broke through the public consciousness which
Speaker 2: the actual verdict came through. But on this one, because
Speaker 2: it is related to a twenty sixteen hush money sex
Speaker 2: scandal type thing, it does appear to me more baked in.
Speaker 2: We'll see and at least bolster some of the Trump
Speaker 2: claims of being persecuted, at the very least his own
Speaker 2: supporters and others think that, let's put this up there
Speaker 2: please on the screen. Trump raised almost fifty three million
Speaker 2: dollars in a single twenty four hour or single forty
Speaker 2: eight hours after the trial, they said twenty four hours
Speaker 2: later after they raised an initial thirty five million before.
Speaker 2: But you can see very clearly that this has brought
Speaker 2: in more money in single small dollar donations to the
Speaker 2: Trump campaign than any previous day in the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four race so far, and even matches some of those
Speaker 2: big days that Joe Biden has found with the big
Speaker 2: dollar fundraisers that he's been through going in New York City.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree with you that
Speaker 1: I think there could be a couple point change in
Speaker 1: the polls that probably last temporarily exactly is if I
Speaker 1: had to predict, there's a big question mark. I mean,
Speaker 1: the other question mark is what happens it's sentencing, because
Speaker 1: it's one thing to be found guilty, it's another one
Speaker 1: if he's actually facing some prison time. Although you know,
Speaker 1: the legal analysts that Ryan and I talked to actually
Speaker 1: run against Alan Bragg in the primary for DA she
Speaker 1: believes there is zero chance that he faces prison time
Speaker 1: over this.
Speaker 5: So take that for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I feel like people already knew
Speaker 1: about this story. It's a long time till election day.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, it doesn't really move the
Speaker 1: needle that much.
Speaker 5: But you never know.
Speaker 1: I mean to make the other case play Devil's advocate here.
Speaker 1: I did see polling saying that most people did not
Speaker 1: think he would be found guilty, So there was a
Speaker 1: gap between the expectations and what actually happened.
Speaker 5: So in that way, the fact that oh.
Speaker 1: My god, he actually like he actually was found guilty,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not teflon Don Maybe for independence, that does
Speaker 1: move the needle. But you know, I'm also seeing people
Speaker 1: on the right who are making the case that, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna actually help Donald tr I just don't
Speaker 1: buy that at all. Like his people are already with him,
Speaker 1: They're already voting for him. The Republican base is already
Speaker 1: you know, you got Nicki Haley betting the knee, everybody
Speaker 1: exactly coming around. So I think that they were already
Speaker 1: locked in, they were already voting for him. Yes, he's
Speaker 1: going to raise some money off of it, Okay, he
Speaker 1: was already going to have lots of money. The billionaire
Speaker 1: classes going for him big time this time around too,
Speaker 1: So he's going to be fine on that front. And
Speaker 1: the resistance liberals, they're already obviously all in for Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Question mark is whether this changes some independent views on
Speaker 1: the margins, And like I said, if I had to
Speaker 1: guess temporarily, maybe.
Speaker 5: Over the long term, it probably all evens out.
Speaker 3: Let's dig into some of that.
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen and actually, look,
Speaker 2: this was a snap Paul, this one as we have
Speaker 2: so far, this from you go fifth. They say fifty
Speaker 2: percent of Americans agree with the guilty verdict in the
Speaker 2: trumphush money case.
Speaker 3: But what does that mean? That means a fifty percent
Speaker 3: also don't necessarily agree or are not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty it's I mean, it is a pretty clear
Speaker 1: break You've got a majority fifty percent saying yeah, he's
Speaker 1: guilty and only thirty percent saying no. So it is
Speaker 1: pretty clearly on the side of people agreed.
Speaker 5: With the results.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but you've got the nineteen percent saying not sure.
Speaker 2: I guess the nineteen percent not sure in the thirty
Speaker 2: percent to me is just like kind of a wash
Speaker 2: in terms of not this is exactly what you said.
Speaker 2: Does guilt then translate to changing my vote? So obviously
Speaker 2: there's a major partisan breakdown. Let's continue to go to
Speaker 2: the next one because there's some more interesting data here
Speaker 2: post verdict, more Americans say Trump got a fair trial
Speaker 2: than say that he didn't.
Speaker 3: Here again, you see the breakdown.
Speaker 2: Forty seven percent say yes, seventeen percent not sure, thirty
Speaker 2: seven percent say no. So basically the thirty seven percent
Speaker 2: that's going to be the hard Republican seventeen percent Roughly
Speaker 2: some crossovertween like a Republican and never Trump type republican
Speaker 2: plus an independent, and then you've got Democrats and more
Speaker 2: independent leaning Democrats who are going to say, yes, he
Speaker 2: got a fair trial. Basically can see that in the breakdown,
Speaker 2: both in the independent number and in the Democratic number
Speaker 2: amongst the people who say Trump is guilty the same thing.
Speaker 2: But let's go to the next one, because that's actually
Speaker 2: where this is kind of what strikes home to me.
Speaker 2: Most Americans say that Trump has at least probably committed crimes,
Speaker 2: but few think he will go to prison. So when
Speaker 2: you say, do you think that foreign president Trump has
Speaker 2: ever committed any crimes, even twenty eight percent of Republicans
Speaker 2: or sorry, even twelve percent of Republicans say definitely, twenty
Speaker 2: eight percent say probably.
Speaker 3: That is I have always contended this on Trump.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you're telling me that the man who
Speaker 2: frequently bragged about his sexploits in the New York City tabloids,
Speaker 2: going to the point about anonymously calling in under a
Speaker 2: false name to plant stories about his own sexual prowess's
Speaker 2: cheated on his wife and covered it up in a
Speaker 2: utchminey case. You know, I'm just shocked, I tell you.
Speaker 2: Or whenever the New York Times was like, wow, Trump
Speaker 2: didn't pay his taxes, I'm like, wait, so you're telling
Speaker 2: me that the guy who said on camera only a
Speaker 2: sucker and a loser pay his full tax right didn't
Speaker 2: pay his taxes yet. No, shit, that's where it comes
Speaker 2: down to me. Now, is that going to impact my vote?
Speaker 2: Probably not saying, I think for a lot of people
Speaker 2: at this point, especially with a case that goes all
Speaker 2: the way back to the twenty sixteen campaign and which
Speaker 2: we lived thousands of hours of cable news coverage through
Speaker 2: Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen, Michael Lavinatti and all of that.
Speaker 3: So that's basically just where I see it at this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so a few think.
Speaker 1: I do think the assessed level of Trump criminality is
Speaker 1: probably higher than most other politicians. But I also think
Speaker 1: that probably if you ask this question about any range
Speaker 1: of elites, there is a bedrock assumption among most Americans
Speaker 1: that these people probably committed some crimes in part to
Speaker 1: get where they are.
Speaker 3: Very good point.
Speaker 5: But I also have.
Speaker 1: Always thought, you know, because we've talked a lot, and
Speaker 1: it's important to talk about the differences between these various
Speaker 1: cases that Trump is facing it and get into the
Speaker 1: details and really try to explain.
Speaker 5: It as best as possible.
Speaker 1: But I also, do feel like, because you have so
Speaker 1: many peopleeople who were like, this guy's definitely committed some crimes,
Speaker 1: are they going to be outraged that, like somebody's taking
Speaker 1: issue with the jury instructions that were given to this jury. No,
Speaker 1: they're going to feel like, yeah, you you know, you
Speaker 1: committed crimes. At some point, you were going to have
Speaker 1: to pay the piper. You probably got away with it
Speaker 1: much longer than you know, any one of us would.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm not surprised to see really
Speaker 1: pretty clear majorities, not just in this poll that we
Speaker 1: showed you, but in other polls as well, saying yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's guilty. Yeah, I think that the trial
Speaker 1: was more or less fair. And as I said before,
Speaker 1: you know the Democratic and Republican numbers, those are locked in.
Speaker 5: They weren't going to change their mind no matter what.
Speaker 1: But you do see the independence on this question citing
Speaker 1: more with the Democrats. Now, to go back to my
Speaker 1: original point, do I think this really changes a lot
Speaker 1: of votes? Do I think this really you know, shakes
Speaker 1: up the landscape for the presidential race. No, because ultimately
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other factors at play, and
Speaker 1: it's a long time till election day. But to those
Speaker 1: people out there who are like, oh, this is going
Speaker 1: to be great for Trump, and this is gonna just
Speaker 1: this is guarantee, I've heard people saying like this is
Speaker 1: going to guarantee him, you know, his trip back to
Speaker 1: the White House.
Speaker 5: I think that's complete nonsense.
Speaker 1: The best he can hope for is that it's basically
Speaker 1: a wash, which I.
Speaker 5: Do think is probably the ultimate most likely on come.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree with you that largely.
Speaker 2: I mean, as you said, there's a lot there's a
Speaker 2: major Republican incentive, it appears to say this is going
Speaker 2: to be affirmatively good for Trump.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that is the case.
Speaker 2: There's a major Democratic incentive to say this is gonna
Speaker 2: be affirmatively horrible for Trump, this is going to be
Speaker 2: affirmatively great for Biden.
Speaker 3: I'm like, again, I don't think that that is the case.
Speaker 2: This is one of those where if you look deeply
Speaker 2: at why this is my personal favorites, like this is
Speaker 2: gonna make Trump popular amongst black people, I'm like, maybe
Speaker 2: let's just just put that one outside. But but then
Speaker 2: you know, if I actually dig into why Trump's support
Speaker 2: is higher amongst black voters and younger voters.
Speaker 3: This time around, it's very simple.
Speaker 2: Black voters, people who are largely economically disenfranchised, want a
Speaker 2: can who represents quote, major change, and to them, Trump
Speaker 2: is a roll of the dice.
Speaker 3: You ask the white.
Speaker 2: Boomers why they are largely consolidating around Biden, or at
Speaker 2: least voting for him in much larger shares and sticking
Speaker 2: with them. They don't want major change because their life
Speaker 2: is mostly fine as usual. It all comes back to
Speaker 2: the actual fundamentals and where you think things can go
Speaker 2: from here. So I just want people to really put
Speaker 2: that at the center of how they think about how
Speaker 2: others will vote, is that they're probably just like you.
Speaker 2: You know, this trial and all this other stuff doesn't
Speaker 2: really have much of an impact. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, the media, you know, is unable to
Speaker 2: really represent some of that. So we've done our best
Speaker 2: to put together in unhinged reactions from as many sides
Speaker 2: as possible. As usual, you know, we got to start
Speaker 2: with Bill Maher. Let's take a list.
Speaker 10: I would really be shocked if this judge gave him
Speaker 10: a prison sentence for this.
Speaker 11: I mean, Maga nation will go nuts. I don't know
Speaker 11: if that's a reason too or not to do something.
Speaker 11: But they will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: But one of the things about this apocalyptic language that
Speaker 10: you hear from all of these the amen chorus is
Speaker 10: they really are inviting violence. And that's a big concern
Speaker 10: of mine. And Trump is completely unrestrained in suggesting that
Speaker 10: maybe that's appropriate. I mean, he hints that all the time.
Speaker 10: That's how we got in trouble on January sixth, and
Speaker 10: he's doing it again because I think he's more desperate
Speaker 10: now than he was then.
Speaker 11: But if they put him in jail, I know it'll
Speaker 11: happen because the judge's name was Wan. Yes, everything becomes
Speaker 11: racial in this country. That's partly because of our horrible,
Speaker 11: despicable racial past, partly because some of that racism lives
Speaker 11: on in the president, and some of it because the
Speaker 11: far left makes everything racial. But that's what it's going
Speaker 11: to be. A civil war in this country, I'm sorry
Speaker 11: to say, becomes a race war. That's the sad truth
Speaker 11: about this country. And if they put him in jail,
Speaker 11: I mean, that's the first thing his supporters are going
Speaker 11: to say is, oh.
Speaker 3: That's what it is.
Speaker 11: Well, that's the first thing, District Attorney, you know all
Speaker 11: these people who are the district attorneys, they're black. The
Speaker 11: judge was not white.
Speaker 3: This is what it is. Is it me or Crystal
Speaker 3: or is he the only one seeing some of the
Speaker 3: race goes?
Speaker 2: Look, I follow at objection, I was going to say,
Speaker 2: I follow a lot of Republicans. I follow some of
Speaker 2: the most like hardcore maga people you will ever see.
Speaker 2: And I don't see a single discussion of race in
Speaker 2: any of this criticism except maybe from like replies to
Speaker 2: literal Nazis. So maybe this is a little bit of projection,
Speaker 2: like you said, from mister Mahr, because I don't know
Speaker 2: what the hell he is talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, obviously there are racial divides in this country,
Speaker 1: but ironically, given the fact that you do have more
Speaker 1: Latinos and African Americans going to the Republican side, it's
Speaker 1: actually the least racially polarized in terms of a partisan
Speaker 1: divide that we've been in a long time. Yes, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know where this came from. And then even
Speaker 1: and I saw not just from him, but I also
Speaker 1: saw people on the right talking, oh, this is going
Speaker 1: to lead a civil war and all this, And I
Speaker 1: understand people feel that the country is on a knife's edge, etc.
Speaker 5: But we also haven't seen any sign of that. I mean,
Speaker 5: he just was found guilty.
Speaker 1: There was no violence, there was no you know, I
Speaker 1: get coming out of January six, people are worried, like
Speaker 1: how is this all going to go down?
Speaker 5: But there was another time when he.
Speaker 1: Actively Trump actively called for people to come out in
Speaker 1: front of the courthouse and demonstrate, and they basically didn't
Speaker 1: show up. So you know, again, I understand the nervousness
Speaker 1: about the country being on a nice edge and things
Speaker 1: being fraught, et cetera. But I just don't see the
Speaker 1: evidence that there's going to be some sort of a
Speaker 1: national break and actual civil war and certainly not a
Speaker 1: race war over what is happening here. So you know, listen,
Speaker 1: I can always be wrong. You never know how these
Speaker 1: things all go down. But based on the fact that
Speaker 1: also Republicans are so convinced that they're all Feds at
Speaker 1: this point that it's made that right very difficult to
Speaker 1: organize in the way that like the left has been previously.
Speaker 1: After January six, everyone thinks everyone else is a fed
Speaker 1: with some justification, let's be honest, and so that's made
Speaker 1: it very difficult to organize any sort of like mass
Speaker 1: response to any of these things.
Speaker 3: The modern right organization is a lot like the Black
Speaker 3: Panthers in the nineteen seventies, where it's like the Spider
Speaker 3: Man meme and everyone's like, you're fed, You're a fed,
Speaker 3: and they were right, by the way, the Black Panthers
Speaker 3: are right then, and the Right is right today. So man,
Speaker 3: in general, you'd be better off if you assumed that
Speaker 3: if someone's ever trying to instigate you into a little plot.
Speaker 3: Just ask the people at the Gretchen Whitmer trial.
Speaker 2: At the same time, those over at Newsmax doing nobody
Speaker 2: no favor of talking about political violence.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, you fight fire with fire.
Speaker 6: Otherwise these Marxists are going to keep doing this and
Speaker 6: Red State ags. You guys better start hammering these people.
Speaker 6: You have the opportunity out They cleared the way. Look,
Speaker 6: Democrats took what they alleged was a federal misdemeanor from
Speaker 6: the FEC and made it a state felony thirty four
Speaker 6: times over.
Speaker 3: There's no rules, apparently, step up.
Speaker 6: I'm not just talking you tyrants are about to awaken
Speaker 6: a machine you don't want. You are pushing people to
Speaker 6: the edge. The same party that is offended by the
Speaker 6: wrong pronouns is pushing the party that owns ninety percent
Speaker 6: of the guns, of which the majority defends our nation,
Speaker 6: who mine our minerals, who build our skyscrapers and drive
Speaker 6: our trucks. You weak people have no idea. You people
Speaker 6: in your cities with your white shoe consultants' country clubs,
Speaker 6: who thought prosecuting Trump was a good idea.
Speaker 3: You have never met America.
Speaker 6: You've watched that scene obviously in Braveheart, where they're all
Speaker 6: online waiting for the British to charge them, and he's screaming,
Speaker 6: hold folks, hold.
Speaker 2: All right, same thing where it's like, chill, dude, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a If Trump himself is not as worried
Speaker 2: about it, then putting seventeen seventy six to twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four on the tombstone, we all don't need to go
Speaker 2: that far. Take your cues actually from the leader, and
Speaker 2: at the same time being like ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: guns and base explicitly threatening some sort of like I
Speaker 2: don't even know it's not insurrection, I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess instead of a race war, we're doing like
Speaker 1: a regional urban versus world war in this particular scenario
Speaker 1: that he's not worried about, he's actively cheering for.
Speaker 5: So there you go. That's great. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Everything's look.
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, norms and all that things are breaking down.
Speaker 2: Does that mean that we are literally on the verge
Speaker 2: of civil war? No, And if you want to know why,
Speaker 2: you should go read a book about this civil war
Speaker 2: and how long it actually took to get to that point.
Speaker 2: And we're nowhere even close to it, luckily, and we
Speaker 2: should be happy about that sort of thing. Let's go
Speaker 2: finally here to MSNBC and to Michael Cohen about why,
Speaker 2: even though Trump was convicted in the New York court
Speaker 2: of law with his own testimony, that he and everyone
Speaker 2: at MSNBC.
Speaker 3: Is still unsafe now that he is in prison. Let's
Speaker 3: take a list.
Speaker 4: And I'm afraid of him going to jail. I'm not
Speaker 4: for him, not for his safety's that's on him. He's
Speaker 4: got Secret Service protection. I'm more concerned for you and
Speaker 4: for all of us and our families and for the
Speaker 4: American people because this clown had four years of being
Speaker 4: debriefed on national security issues on top of that, if
Speaker 4: he becomes the Republican nominee, he gets debriefed again. Starting now,
Speaker 4: think about this, America, think about.
Speaker 5: This for a second.
Speaker 4: My concern is in a prison situation, he's willing to
Speaker 4: give away these secrets, as I always say, for a
Speaker 4: begatuna or a book of stamps, and he will do
Speaker 4: it because he doesn't care.
Speaker 2: So he's such a fascist that he will still be
Speaker 2: a threat to them in prison, and that he will
Speaker 2: somehow trumb will be sitting there trading for a prison commissary.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, let me So that's my real question
Speaker 2: to Michael Cohen, why do you think that a bilbol
Speaker 2: of ramen is worth? Like knowing something about Iran that
Speaker 2: doesn't get anybody in prison anything. It's more likely to
Speaker 2: be like, hey man, let me get some of your cigarettes,
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing?
Speaker 5: I just can't stop laughing. And he said he would
Speaker 5: trade them for a bag of tuna.
Speaker 1: What a bag of tuna?
Speaker 5: Listen?
Speaker 1: If there was a risk I mean, and I think
Speaker 1: there was a risk of Trump, like with the classified documents,
Speaker 1: Like that's what that's a real problem, Like if he
Speaker 1: was going to sell out our country. And I think
Speaker 1: in many ways he already has like the Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: et cetera. I think that damage has already been done.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, you know, his selly really wants with.
Speaker 5: The hes to have Rody and nuclear info or whatever
Speaker 5: for his baggatuna. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I just also love the MBC's standards
Speaker 1: are so low. Anyone who's just willing to be against Trump,
Speaker 1: You're now like besties. Michael Cohen has been one hundred
Speaker 1: percent rehabbed, and you know, sitting there all cozy like
Speaker 1: with Michael Steele and Simone Sanders, you know, really bipartisan
Speaker 1: gathering of folks there who are all willing to.
Speaker 3: See So you were correct.
Speaker 2: That was Alicia Mendez who was sitting there at the desk,
Speaker 2: who is Bobman then as his daughter, who actually did
Speaker 2: sell secrets to foreign government for gold bars. And we're
Speaker 2: all gonna sit there and be like, oh that wow,
Speaker 2: so you need to Trump. It would never happen right
Speaker 2: in this country. It's like your dad is literally being
Speaker 2: indicted for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And of course and then sow, she's still a lot
Speaker 3: on the air like look, that's a whole other conation.
Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to blame her for the sense
Speaker 1: of her father, but it is awkward for her to
Speaker 1: be sitting there condemning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's what I'm still listening to this guy.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 3: She's Okay, she recused her from that coverage.
Speaker 2: I think that's fine, you know, Okay, you know, I
Speaker 2: think that's fine and handy, But you know, it's pretty
Speaker 2: hypocritical to sit there just allow this stuff to happen
Speaker 2: there without acknowledging what's going on.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: I think that's the best we can show you now
Speaker 2: for our roundup, and I'm sure we can have many
Speaker 2: more deranged takes to come. So just sit back and
Speaker 2: we'll we'll make sure to have it for you. Let's
Speaker 2: move on now to Ukraine. This is actually a much more,
Speaker 2: much more serious situation that broke over the weekend. Let's
Speaker 2: go in put this up there on the screen. Biden
Speaker 2: has now secretly given Ukraine permission to strike inside of
Speaker 2: Russian territory with US weapons. This previously reversed more than
Speaker 2: two years of US policy, and it was directly allowing
Speaker 2: Ukraine to strike inside of Russia using US provided weapons,
Speaker 2: including long range missiles, which previously had been off limits
Speaker 2: for the Ukrainians. The reason why the Ukrainians are begging
Speaker 2: for this is that they are suffering major defeats and
Speaker 2: reversals on the battlefield. Russia has already just in the
Speaker 2: last several months, taken more territory than the entire Ukrainian
Speaker 2: counter offensive that was supposed to materialize such incredible gains.
Speaker 2: I also want to make clear that the change in
Speaker 2: this policy does not apply to is not just US
Speaker 2: provided weapons being allowed to be used in crimea. We
Speaker 2: are talking about Russian borders that have been well and
Speaker 2: long acknowledged by both the United States, by Ukraine and
Speaker 2: the international community. The Ukrainians allowing this or are Ukrainians
Speaker 2: pushing for this again because of their shortages of manpower
Speaker 2: and of their reversals on the battlefield, and the obvious
Speaker 2: lesson that in a war of attrition which they are
Speaker 2: in and they committed themselves to, they are going to lose,
Speaker 2: and they are doing their absolute best to gamble as
Speaker 2: much as they can while want basically trying to bring
Speaker 2: the United States into this war.
Speaker 3: And that is the most devastating part of this.
Speaker 2: And just to show you what is life like in Ukraine,
Speaker 2: why is this happening right now? Let's put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen. I'm going to talk over this.
Speaker 2: This is a video just came out yesterday. Here you
Speaker 2: can see which is not a young man. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a graying, older gentleman being kidnapped off of
Speaker 2: the street for conscription because he had been avoiding the draft.
Speaker 3: Plucked.
Speaker 2: He's going to be taken directly to a center, He's
Speaker 2: going to be recruited into the military forcibly conscripted. He's
Speaker 2: going to have weapons in his hands before you know it.
Speaker 2: And doesn't take a genius to see that people like
Speaker 2: this were the average age is some forty to fifty
Speaker 2: years old. Who even knows now at this point, let's
Speaker 2: put this up there. It shows us that the basic training,
Speaker 2: so called amazing training run by the United States government
Speaker 2: here basic training is quote barely covering the basics. Even
Speaker 2: Ukraine's own commanders in the field say they are bracing
Speaker 2: for most of the new troops under a conscription law
Speaker 2: to arrive with poor training. So it turns out, Crystal,
Speaker 2: that whenever you forcibly kidnap and conscript like all of
Speaker 2: these old men, force them through basic training with subpar weapons,
Speaker 2: barely even knowing how to operate, knowing that they're likely
Speaker 2: marching to their deaths, that they are not going to
Speaker 2: be fighting effectively. So this is the most dangerous situation
Speaker 2: all around, and it has already revived the recent threats
Speaker 2: of tactical nuclear weapons. The threats from the Russians have
Speaker 2: come from the highest level, from Putin and from dimitriy Medvedev.
Speaker 3: And of course the responses, well, they've never done before.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you only have to be wrong once,
Speaker 2: and this is this is single handedly the most dangerous
Speaker 2: escalatory situation in Ukraine since the beginning of the entire war.
Speaker 2: And yet it's like the media everybody else is celebrating it.
Speaker 2: Just the last thing I want to add here I
Speaker 2: found this out this morning. I'm honestly repulsed by it.
Speaker 2: Is that Zelenski will be honored and joined will be
Speaker 2: honored at D Day celebrations in France, where Russia was
Speaker 2: explicitly not invited, even though Soviet troops, you know, had
Speaker 2: a major role, i would say, the highest role in
Speaker 2: actually defeating the Hitler regime. And Zelensky just recently honored
Speaker 2: a literal Nazi at the ss an ss Nazi at.
Speaker 3: The Canadian Parliament.
Speaker 2: We are like excluding Russia here from the D Day celebration,
Speaker 2: which they had always been a part of. Even you know,
Speaker 2: during the whole Soviet Union, the entire idea was, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not getting along now, but we came together and
Speaker 2: we beat Hitler. Let's at least celebrate a little bit
Speaker 2: of that and honor the men who died on that day.
Speaker 2: We're turning it into this repulsive like game where we're
Speaker 2: looking at Ukraine as important as an occupied France in
Speaker 2: the nineteen forties. So all of the set, you know,
Speaker 2: everything is set right now, from the NATO powers who
Speaker 2: want to put their troops inside of Ukraine, the Russians
Speaker 2: want to use tactical nuclear weapons. The Biden administration basically
Speaker 2: sleep walking US now to this situation. And there's no outrage,
Speaker 2: you know, in the American public because they don't really
Speaker 2: understand still the stakes, it's all just been all the
Speaker 2: risks have been hidden from them, and the truth about
Speaker 2: this conflict.
Speaker 1: It's just profoundly sad too. Like that's that video, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just awful. Joe Biden is feeding Ukrainian men into
Speaker 1: a meat grinder out of political cowardice. He knows and
Speaker 1: his whole administration knows that this war is lost.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: There is no plan to win, there's no plan to
Speaker 1: take back the territory. Such a thing as really, you know,
Speaker 1: without us actively going all in is not possible.
Speaker 5: So what's the plan.
Speaker 1: A plan is just to bumble through through election day
Speaker 1: and you know, do enough so that there aren't major
Speaker 1: territorial losses. That's the reason for greenlighting now the strikes
Speaker 1: inside of Russia.
Speaker 5: Hope Americans aren't.
Speaker 1: Really focused on this, aren't really paying attention, aren't really
Speaker 1: upset by it, and figure it out on another day.
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, Yeah, men like that the one
Speaker 1: that you saw getting dragged off the street are being
Speaker 1: sent into a meat grinder with very little hope that
Speaker 1: they will be able to survive intact. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you read that article about the training and the conditions,
Speaker 1: you'll be horrified because they're openly saying, I mean, people
Speaker 1: in the military who are responsible for these brigades are saying, like,
Speaker 1: we're being forced to take fifty year old men who
Speaker 1: have basically never held a weapon before, who have bad
Speaker 1: knees and bad backs and don't want to fight, Like,
Speaker 1: what chance do you think.
Speaker 5: That they have people who were previously.
Speaker 1: On you know, non combat duty, you know, guarding a
Speaker 1: bridge something like that, are now being shipped to the
Speaker 1: front lines, also totally unprepared and with various medical problems.
Speaker 5: It's horrifying.
Speaker 1: And part of the problem is, listen, the biggest problem
Speaker 1: is actually lack of manpower.
Speaker 5: Another problem in terms of.
Speaker 1: The training is they're so low on like ammo grenades,
Speaker 1: grenade launchers that how do you train people if you
Speaker 1: don't just have like the material to be able to
Speaker 1: get them some practice in You don't have time to
Speaker 1: properly train people because you got to ship them right
Speaker 1: to the front lines. It's just so incredibly sad, and
Speaker 1: at this point there's just a suspension of reality. Biden
Speaker 1: is hoping there can be a long enough suspension, suspension
Speaker 1: of reality for him to get through his reelect. And
Speaker 1: you know, it is these Ukrainians who are really paying
Speaker 1: the price. They just passed this additional conscription law to
Speaker 1: conscript more Ukrainians and ship them to the front lines
Speaker 1: because the situation with manpower is so dire. This has
Speaker 1: become a very politically sensitive, difficult issue inside of Ukrainian society,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, and seems like the one we
Speaker 1: just played your playing out all over the place.
Speaker 3: And you've got six hundred thousand military draft age males
Speaker 3: that are eligible but fled Ukraine. They bribe their way
Speaker 3: out of it.
Speaker 2: The Ukrainian government is now pressuring the Polish government, the
Speaker 2: Austrian government, and all of the surrounding NATO territory to
Speaker 2: have their police forcibly deport all of these Ukrainians who
Speaker 2: have been living large largely in all of these countries.
Speaker 3: A lot of them are rich.
Speaker 2: When I was in Hungary, basically what I was told
Speaker 2: is that a lot of these guys may be Ukrainian
Speaker 2: on paper, but they're ethnic Hungarians and they have no
Speaker 2: loyalty to the regime and they have no desire to fight.
Speaker 2: But now they possibly, you know, could be at risk.
Speaker 2: It's likely the Hungarian government will shield them at least,
Speaker 2: but for everybody else, if you're ethnic Ukrainian, you're living,
Speaker 2: you're living the good life in Germany or somewhere else,
Speaker 2: they're coming for you. They know that you're there, and
Speaker 2: they're going to try and to deport and to get
Speaker 2: their hands on you at the same time, you know,
Speaker 2: the international situation with regards to Ukraine could actually not
Speaker 2: be worse for them.
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. Don't believe me,
Speaker 3: ask him.
Speaker 2: Zelenski says that China, quote is helping Russia undermine a
Speaker 2: peace summit on Ukraine, and that Chinese assistance to Russia
Speaker 2: is prolonging the war. He recently visited Singapore to try
Speaker 2: and to try and get Asian and developing countries to
Speaker 2: come to Switzerland, where he was hoping to host a
Speaker 2: peace summit. Basically, the goal of this peace summit is
Speaker 2: to get the entire international community to back the Western
Speaker 2: Framework on Ukraine, which basically says Ukraine at the end
Speaker 2: of this war will take back not only all of
Speaker 2: its territory that Russia has taken since the invasion of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, but Crimea as well. And obviously, most people,
Speaker 2: including any reasonable person, thinks that's ridiculous and that's not
Speaker 2: going to happen. And the Chinese at this point have
Speaker 2: been not only propping up the Russians, but have been
Speaker 2: the major beneficiaries of this entire conflict.
Speaker 3: Russia is basically a vassal state to China today.
Speaker 2: In terms of their trade, in terms of their financial system,
Speaker 2: and probably in terms of weapons if things ever go south,
Speaker 2: they're definitely being helped in buying things from the North Koreans.
Speaker 2: So the point is is that the great powers who
Speaker 2: are against the US here in the conflict and against
Speaker 2: the West are basically undermining any attempt to try and
Speaker 2: put some Western style framework in. So all of the
Speaker 2: momentum right now is with Russia. They've got the Chinese
Speaker 2: on their side. The Ukrainians are losing. We're getting increasingly desperate.
Speaker 2: The only hope that Ukraine has is to somehow drag
Speaker 2: the US here. I mean, I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: seen this, Crystal, but the British are currently floating putting
Speaker 2: trainers inside Ukraine, actually on Ukrainian soil to try and
Speaker 2: prop up these fifty year old guys.
Speaker 3: And the Russians were very clear, They're like, we're gonna
Speaker 3: kill them. They're like, if you put them there, we
Speaker 3: will kill them.
Speaker 2: And now we are in an Article five situation of
Speaker 2: what does that mean? And then what does Biden does
Speaker 2: that it is that it are we going? I mean,
Speaker 2: this is really scary stuff.
Speaker 1: In fairness with regard to the China Russia relationship. I
Speaker 1: was just seeing this this morning. China appears to be
Speaker 1: kind of picking their spots, of course, so Russia had come.
Speaker 5: To them with the major requests.
Speaker 1: One is, they've been trying to lock in this Russia
Speaker 1: China pipeline deal, and that is falling apart because the
Speaker 1: Russians aren't happy with the Chinese price demands, so that
Speaker 1: has basically stalled. You also had a request from Russia
Speaker 1: to for China to allow more Chinese banking in spite
Speaker 1: of potential US sanctions. China also said no to that.
Speaker 1: It was only that third thing of like, well, just
Speaker 1: at least don't go to their little piece summit that
Speaker 1: they agreed to. So just to you know, flesh out
Speaker 1: that picture with regard to to China support with Russia.
Speaker 1: There's also something else kind of interesting happening with regard
Speaker 1: to Zelenski's positioning in the world. So immediately after October seventh,
Speaker 1: he really came out very strongly singling support for Israel.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of reasons for that obviously,
Speaker 1: but in particular the.
Speaker 5: Fact that they are our vassal state, and so he
Speaker 5: feels like you know I need to please my master's here,
Speaker 5: but as part of putting a lot.
Speaker 1: Of stock in this quote unquote peace summit that Zelensky
Speaker 1: is pulling together, he really wanted.
Speaker 5: To attract a lot of the developing world.
Speaker 1: And there's a realization number one, there on a wildly
Speaker 1: different place with regard to Palestine than what we have signaled.
Speaker 1: So he has changed his messaging there quite significantly. And
Speaker 1: I think there also probably is a realization of like
Speaker 1: it's very blatant, it really undercuts the US Western narrative
Speaker 1: that our involvement with Ukraine is all about democracy and
Speaker 1: human rights, when we're so blatantly hypocritical when it comes
Speaker 1: to our support of Israel, and suddenly we don't care
Speaker 1: so much about human rights. We don't even really know
Speaker 1: what the words human rights means anymore when it comes
Speaker 1: to Israel. I think there's a realization that that has
Speaker 1: really undercut his position and his sort of moral standing
Speaker 1: and an ability to make this case. So he has
Speaker 1: really changed his tune with regard to Palestine, an attempt
Speaker 1: to appeal to the developing world and potentially to keep
Speaker 1: from China from going even further along and even further
Speaker 1: in with Russia. So I thought was kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting shift as well, because there's no doubt about it,
Speaker 1: like our politicians on both sides of the Aisle, a
Speaker 1: complete fealty to Israel has not served them in terms
Speaker 1: of their regard. In one sense, it did though, because
Speaker 1: I don't know that their aid would have gotten through
Speaker 1: if they hadn't like locked it in with the Israel
Speaker 1: Aid and use that in order to get those billions passed.
Speaker 1: But in terms of the focus and the you know
Speaker 1: energy around that and the just like diehard commitment to
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian cause, that has definitely been supplanted among the
Speaker 1: bipartisan elite in favor of, you know, being all in
Speaker 1: for Israel's genocide on Gaza.
Speaker 3: Well it's so obvious.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, human rights and the ICC and Vladimir
Speaker 2: Putin is a war criminal, and they're like, oh, hold, honestly,
Speaker 2: let's let's just change our tune on all of that.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I think it was BS in
Speaker 2: the first place, and that was this entire thing has
Speaker 2: been a foolish you know errand but we are all
Speaker 2: starting to see what it looks like whenever they get
Speaker 2: actually desperate and as the desperation increases in Ukraine, all
Speaker 2: of are far less safe. That's what we've always said,
Speaker 2: is that the worst things get for them, or the
Speaker 2: better things get for them. Ironically, that's actually whenever we're
Speaker 2: the most danger of getting into some sustained and tit
Speaker 2: for tat escalation that nobody could or that we could
Speaker 2: see coming, but allegedly nobody in the establishment could actually
Speaker 2: see coming. It's just at every single turn they choose
Speaker 2: escalation instead of peace. And so if there does come
Speaker 2: some major and broader conflict, it will be eminently predictable,
Speaker 2: and it will be the fault of the bipartisan establishment
Speaker 2: here in Washington now speaking of a bipartisan establishment media
Speaker 2: and so much more. There was a fantastic moment in
Speaker 2: the recent debate between Dave Smith and Chris Cuomo on
Speaker 2: the PbD podcast. Chris Coomo, of course trying to resuscitate
Speaker 2: himself into some sort of independent media figure. Truly, I
Speaker 2: mean a repulsive individual to me, because it's somebody who
Speaker 2: clearly then did not believe many of the things he
Speaker 2: was saying whenever he was on CNN and was saying
Speaker 2: for a paycheck, and is now trying to grift off
Speaker 2: of independent media audiences and transform himself into some truth sayer. Well, Dave,
Speaker 2: you know clearly had the receipts, and there was a
Speaker 2: great moment here. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 12: Obviously there was so much talk that they don't want
Speaker 12: you to take ivermectin. Ivermectin is the way to go
Speaker 12: take it. Joe Rogan got better from ivermectin. And by
Speaker 12: the way, I don't like what people did to Joe
Speaker 12: Rogan about ivermectin.
Speaker 6: I don't you did it?
Speaker 12: No, no, no, yes you did.
Speaker 6: Find the clips, dude, find the clips you shamed Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3: Find the said he is taking horse these armor.
Speaker 5: You and Don Lemon were chuckling at him.
Speaker 3: I'll go find you. Just saw the clip.
Speaker 12: Watch I'm not chuckling. I'm listening to Don.
Speaker 6: But no, no, no, there's.
Speaker 11: What I'm talking about. Wasn't on there?
Speaker 3: Here's absolutely they were.
Speaker 11: Oh here do we have it?
Speaker 6: Hold on, let's play the club.
Speaker 3: Getting injecting drugs for animals and horse.
Speaker 12: And people telling them to what person you know you
Speaker 12: talk about like you know, cancel ca who to shame
Speaker 12: ivermectin a d wormer?
Speaker 4: Really they are shaming themselves. That's why they are shamed.
Speaker 3: They're shaming themselves. So you're taking a DA.
Speaker 11: You can't apologize for that.
Speaker 8: This You weren't being clear that it was this, and
Speaker 8: you know that.
Speaker 5: Dude, you're being so dishonest.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 3: You were talking about ivermectin the drug.
Speaker 4: You were not talking about this version of ivermactin.
Speaker 12: Come on, I was responding to a situation where we
Speaker 12: were told that this is what people were searching out
Speaker 12: to take and nobody knew what it was going to
Speaker 12: do to them. Look, I'm taking the drug right now.
Speaker 12: Obviously I don't think it's all poison. I stopped calling
Speaker 12: it the horse drug when you can you cannot like it.
Speaker 12: CNN's chief medical officer, who was Sanjay Gupta, said to me,
Speaker 12: you shouldn't just call it a horse d wormer. There's
Speaker 12: a whole legitimate aspect of the drug. I wouldn't use
Speaker 12: it for COVID nineteen, but it's not just a veterinary grade.
Speaker 12: So I stopped calling it that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Then I went away, all right, come on, man,
Speaker 3: I'm the clim there.
Speaker 2: Went was so so good, and that's exactly what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. And now all of a sudden, he's like
Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy's biggest fan. And before that, you know, clearly
Speaker 2: was going on YouTube and he started covering UFOs as shit.
Speaker 3: Previously.
Speaker 2: I can't stand people like that, who are just like
Speaker 2: complete click whores. I'm out of nowhere, very yeah, leveraging
Speaker 2: his like brother's famous brother and father's famous last name,
Speaker 2: which is what he did. And then when he no
Speaker 2: longer is respectable in real media because he can't get
Speaker 2: a job at ABC or elsewhere and continue to propagate
Speaker 2: the environment, he takes a look around and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you know there's some there's some work to be done
Speaker 2: here on YouTube, and of course news or what is it,
Speaker 2: what does he work for? News Nation or whatever? The
Speaker 2: News Nation happy to pay him to get their domba. Yeah,
Speaker 2: now he's got a look.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't know, Patrick, I don't know what the
Speaker 2: hell they're doing over there. Maybe it's for moments, you know,
Speaker 2: for something like this. If so, I think that's great
Speaker 2: me personally, I mean, I can't just help but look
Speaker 2: at this and just look at a dustin grifter. It's like,
Speaker 2: what do you believe dude, By the way he reached
Speaker 2: out to try and come on the show, and I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, it's like, what.
Speaker 3: Are we even going to talk to you about?
Speaker 2: Because he's a liar as we all see here right here.
Speaker 2: Props to Dave for exposing him, you know, and even
Speaker 2: and being willing to go tet tet. But I mean, look,
Speaker 2: there's so many there's so many instances like this where
Speaker 2: it's don It actually is very similar. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's a YouTuber and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, he won't disavow per se some of the
Speaker 2: things he did previously when he's on CNN.
Speaker 3: If anything, he's still trying to get back in over there.
Speaker 2: But I would hope you know that people are willing
Speaker 2: and able to see through this act here Crystal, because
Speaker 2: really really irks me.
Speaker 5: Maybe Cuoba could be good for accounterpoints Friday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, try to work well, then don't air this.
Speaker 5: Because I got some idea. Sorry, no, you bring him
Speaker 5: back a lot of Chris Quota memories for me with
Speaker 5: regard to just like what do you actually stand?
Speaker 1: It's very clear what he's say. He just stands for
Speaker 1: himself being on TV.
Speaker 5: Right there are a lot.
Speaker 1: I've met a lot of people like this immediate. They
Speaker 1: just have to be in the limeline. It really is
Speaker 1: like an addiction, like I have to be on camera,
Speaker 1: I have to have people paying attention to me, or
Speaker 1: else I feel like I don't exist.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think that's him.
Speaker 1: I remember when he got COVID early in the COVID thing,
Speaker 1: the whole basement thing, and then they did made a
Speaker 1: big show he's emerging from the basement, and then it
Speaker 1: comes out that he's been like out and about riding
Speaker 1: his bike around and stuff spot in the neighborhood and
Speaker 1: remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not only that is even better.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite clips actually that I personally
Speaker 2: did just to toot my own work, where it turned
Speaker 2: out that he had left in order to go tour
Speaker 2: a multi billion dollar property for sale. And I was like,
Speaker 2: who amongst us does not broken COVID protocol to go
Speaker 2: and to tour a multi million dollar property in the Hampton's.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a very common everyday experience. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and he was so gross story, I mean, because
Speaker 1: his brother was obviously, you know, the governor, and it
Speaker 1: was a really critical moment and there were a lot
Speaker 1: of really terrible and corrupt decisions that were made under
Speaker 1: his brother as governor, and he would they would do
Speaker 1: those fawning segments that were so disgusting on their face,
Speaker 1: it's like, this is a serious person in power making
Speaker 1: bad decisions that he at least deserves to be questioned.
Speaker 1: But no, they joke about like the size of their
Speaker 1: noses and mom's dinner and whatever. And then it comes
Speaker 1: out even beyond that that not only was he doing
Speaker 1: these you know, fluffy goofy segments with this very powerful person,
Speaker 1: but he was also actively advising him on political and
Speaker 1: campaign strategy in direct contravention of what Sannan claims to do,
Speaker 1: and also lied about that. Yes, and that's how he
Speaker 1: ultimately ended up, you know, after a long time, that
Speaker 1: was part of what ended up getting him out at CNN.
Speaker 1: But now, I mean, it's just it's very clear this
Speaker 1: is a craven individual who was willing to say, like
Speaker 1: whatever is convenient forum in.
Speaker 2: The moment, You're right, And it's still to this day
Speaker 2: BS that Cuomo was really taken down over me too,
Speaker 2: when really what he did most impeachable offense was not
Speaker 2: only his handling of the nursing home issue. But he
Speaker 2: actively used state resources, if we'll all recall, to cover
Speaker 2: up what was happening at those nursing homes and giving
Speaker 2: referential testing, using state troopers to bust, you know, different samples.
Speaker 3: I have not forgotten about that.
Speaker 2: There are thousands of people who are dead because of
Speaker 2: Andrew Cuomo. You can go and ask a lot of
Speaker 2: the people's parents or their family members who to this
Speaker 2: day have not forgotten what he did. They're at the
Speaker 2: behest of the insurance in the nursing home lobby. It
Speaker 2: was repulsive what he did, and then Chris Cuomo helped
Speaker 2: cover that up actively advised to try and kill some
Speaker 2: of these me too stories. And like I said, is
Speaker 2: now out here pretending like he is some you know,
Speaker 2: independent thinker or whatever. So you know, at the very
Speaker 2: least props to Dave. We should always be reminded of
Speaker 2: like who these people are. I believe in forgiveness, but
Speaker 2: only to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: See two in that moment, because he gets caught and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, show the clip, and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: here's the yeah, here literally here then and then he
Speaker 1: starts to make well, you have to remember at the
Speaker 1: time blah blah blah. It's like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: had said that at the beginning, like this was the
Speaker 1: narrative that was out there, and you know what, I
Speaker 1: bought into that narrative, and I regret it. Okay, look
Speaker 1: like you said, people learn, we make mistakes. You can
Speaker 1: make this. That's so, that's one thing. But clearly he
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to come clean on any of that until
Speaker 1: he got caught and he had to spin it in
Speaker 1: real time, and you know, it just it shows It
Speaker 1: shows the level of integrity there when when that's the dynamic,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, now that you're caught, now you're going
Speaker 1: to come up with some you know, after the fact
Speaker 1: rationalization of what was going.
Speaker 2: That's a great point too, And that's actually why I
Speaker 2: believe one of the great hallmarks is, you know, at
Speaker 2: least here on the independent media, if I were to
Speaker 2: ever appear and some and we'll be like, hey, you
Speaker 2: got X wrong, I'd be like, yeah, you're right, you
Speaker 2: are right, show the clip, correct the X, Y and Z.
Speaker 2: Here's why I thought, you know, at the time, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like no, you're a liar or sending something
Speaker 2: like this.
Speaker 3: But you know, for him.
Speaker 2: It's like you said, it's the ego and he has
Speaker 2: to I almost think there's like this weird thing going
Speaker 2: on here, Crystal, where he agreed to do this just
Speaker 2: because the limelight. He knew it would get tons of
Speaker 2: attention and views and at least he would get his
Speaker 2: name that's out there, and that's actually the mark of
Speaker 2: like a sick person, you know, who's working in this business.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess at the very least he got
Speaker 3: what he wanted.
Speaker 5: The man is not lacking an ego, right, That is
Speaker 5: certainly the case.
Speaker 3: That's right,