WEBVTT - Dawn Richard Takes the Stand 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.000 Amy Robock and TJ. 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:03.720 Holmes present Aubry O Day covering the Didty Trials based 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:06.279 on transcripts, sources, and reporting from the courtroom. 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.479 As is obvious, Aubrey O Day is not present in 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.240 the courtroom during the proceedings. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.960 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.880 Hey there, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Amy 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.520 and TJ Present Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. I'm TJ. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:27.080 Holmes sitting alongside my partner Amy Roboc and Robes. We 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.000 have been covering an I guess really into this ditty 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.680 trial more than most, but we have been surprised, shocked 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.919 to a certain degree at how much we didn't know 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:43.080 and how enlightened we have become because of Aubrey O Day, 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.480 because we have had her by our side and helping 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:48.640 us walk through some of this trial. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.120 That's right. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.839 You can read the transcripts, you can look at all 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.920 the coverage, and still it's not the same until you 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.480 actually talk with someone who was in that inner circle, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.560 who was there during those years when all of this 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.520 was going on, and who personally experienced Sean Diddycombs at 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.880 his best and at his worst, and Aubrey O'Day is 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.399 that person and it truly sheds light on all the 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.720 testimony we're hearing in the court right So thank you. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.040 Aubra Aberty is sitting here once again, right here with 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.880 us in New York, where she is not testifying. We 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.399 will remind everybody lord once again. But before we get 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.720 into the testimony we saw on now we've launched a 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.840 second full week of testimony. Now, just initial impressions, give 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.840 us two or three words of what we saw yesterday 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:37.080 in court in the testimony. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.920 What you saw yesterday were three people that were utilized 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.759 to confirm and bring more of driving home the force 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.120 and coercion part in regards to the sex trafficking, basically 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.080 to validate claims that Cassie made. Some of the people 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.680 on the stand have their own civil cases, some don't. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.560 There was my ex bandmate, Don Rochard took the stand. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.320 I believe during her testimony they were able to establish 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.800 one story seven different ways or something along those lines. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.840 With Carrie, I don't believe they were able to poke 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.400 any holes in her. 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.200 In her recollection of what she witnessed. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.480 Carrie Morgan, who was Cassie h was Cassie's best friend 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.560 at the time and not anymore, which also allows us 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.920 to understand that this isn't somebody that's going to side 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:28.760 with her nowadays. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:29.480 It's somebody that was. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.280 An old friend has come back and testified to him 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:38.160 being violent, assaulting her and actually even being violent toward 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.760 her as well. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.000 And then they had David James. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.560 Who's a former assistant to Comb's and James was basically 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.440 starting a little bit to establish for me now this 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.240 organization of people, because within Cassie, they did show that 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.240 she was an employee, an employee that was there to 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.720 make ten albums, and she continued to get paid for 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.480 those ten albums as an artist. But she made it 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.040 very clear early on that she stopped being an artist 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.200 and she was a full time a sex worker, and 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.440 that the sex work became so horrific that she then 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.640 had to recover and it would eat up her entire week. 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.240 So it became her, as she said, full time job. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.519 So that's paying somebody that was doing sex work. Now 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.000 we have another person that works for Ditty that is 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.840 was there too. I forget exactly how he said it 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.640 operate as the chairman to his company in order to 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.200 make sure that he's able to handle his days. 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:31.240 Well, he was an assistant. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.119 He was an assistant basically, but the way in which 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.360 he worded it was funny to me. But basically he 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:42.560 attested that everything was controlled by Ditty. It was his kingdom. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.280 Everyone had to abide by his rules, and he had 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.000 conversations with Cassie that established that she felt that she 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.400 couldn't get out. 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.600 All right, okay, we're going to get into some weeds here. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:58.920 Your reaction to what the day was? Was it interesting? 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.000 Was it theft up? Was it eye opening? Was it 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.080 what would you say characterize the day? Because when Cassie 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.160 was up there every day, we said this was bombshell 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:08.560 after bombshell after bombshare. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.480 It wasn't giving that, it wasn't given cor operating. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:13.040 Was it confusion? 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.479 Two people were helping coroborate bits of it. But again, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.800 when I hear things like, you know, Cassie felt that 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.880 he controlled everything and that she didn't have a way out, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.839 She couldn't get out. Those are all her feelings about 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.320 what she believed at that time. Yet they also established 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.560 over and over again that they told her to get out, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.920 and she said she didn't want to. She said everything 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.720 was okay, So it's I just don't know if we're 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.720 getting close enough to force. I've heard from inside the 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:46.520 courtroom that Don was very inconsistent and not credible unfortunately. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:48.800 Yeah, let's talk about Don first. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.680 Let's establish for our listeners what your relationship was and 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.159 is with Don Richard. We know she was a former 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.320 bandmate of yours, but who was Dawn to. 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:02.159 You as in her character? 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.120 Just your relationship the two of you. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:10.520 Don was my bandmate, and she's an incredibly talented woman. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:13.400 And friends. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:15.760 I thought we were. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.640 Yeah, you know, you have to remember I was the 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.880 only child, and I'm the I was the youngest one 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.919 in the group when everyone wasn't lying about their ages. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.359 So with that being said, I thought everybody in the 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.440 group were my real sisters. I thought we were going 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.320 to have each other's back till the end of time. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.640 That's not what has occurred. I am close with every 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.120 girl in my group except for Don. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.360 Okay, you had good times. Is it fair to say 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.240 you all were close at one point and had good 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.960 times that you thought were genuinely good times at the time. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.200 There were moments that I had with Don that I 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.400 felt were genuine. I learned otherwise that they weren't okay. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.520 So why if all your bandmates you're cool with what 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.880 happened that you that broke down the relationship with don. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:03.680 Oh God, a multitude of things, consistent patterns of inconsistency, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.680 consistent patterns of truly just not understanding who was standing 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.720 in front of me. My other bandmate and I went 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.000 on tour with her long after Dirty Money, which is 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.400 how I knew a lot about what occurred during Dirty 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.440 Money because she would openly discuss things that she saw 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:23.760 happening to Cassie Wow. Never told us anything happened to 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:29.239 her and then, and we were given a lot of detail. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.599 But my bandmate and I would always kind of come 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.680 back to each other when she'd walk away and be like, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:41.240 there were just so many inconsistencies. We just don't even 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.680 know what happened in front of us. So what you 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.520 saw it was obvious to more people than just me. Okay, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.720 what we read or what we heard from what her 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.160 testimony was yesterday, and a lot of people were saying 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:56.040 inconsistent reads. That's exactly the Dawn Richard that you knew, yeah, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.120 twenty years ago, and I and her the outfit going 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.320 into court that I first saw at the start of 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:02.919 the morning was a bit of a tell for me. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.920 What I know being the daughter of a lawyer is 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.640 there are so many hands that are put on you 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.520 in regards to just visuals in a courtroom. We discussed 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.120 having your children in there. We discussed gray hair, a 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.120 pregnant belly. All these things are affecting the jury. So 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.400 was a three piece suit with diamonds on a caller? 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.640 It's certainly a choice. And then when you got into 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:31.320 her testimony, it seems like she was inconsistent and not 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.040 credible as what's being reported. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:37.440 So when we heard Dawn testify and the access she 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.680 says she had to Ditty and to Cassie and what 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.600 she saw and what she witnessed that was different than 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.880 the access that you and your other bandmates had. Did 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.240 she have a different relationship with Ditty and with Cassie 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:50.080 than you all did? 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.400 She did not suggest that she ever did when asked 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.920 long after Dirty Money. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.280 But you all at the time had no idea she 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.760 was sexually involved whatsoever with Diddy. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.520 Absolutely not. I saw many things that were showing me 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:11.520 that a complete opposite narrative. So when I saw it, 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:16.960 I was shocked, and then when I started to speak 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.480 to my other colleagues from making the band, I began 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.840 to learn who my bandmate was. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.560 Would she be qualified? She has a lawsuit. I think 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.960 she's alleging sexual battery. I think is what she's saying 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.040 against Diddy's assault. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.240 But the assault that she alleges in her lawsuit is 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:37.760 that during a fitting he touched her inappropriately in areas 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.640 and all the other things that she alleges in her 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.840 lawsuit or things that happened on making the band. We 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.640 had to stay up for days at a time, we 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.640 weren't we weren't eating, we weren't we were we were 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.719 losing weight. I mean, all of those things were kind 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.320 of like televised to the world. We weren't included or 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.559 ever aware that there was going to be a lawsuit 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.280 over those type of allegations. I mean, we're even being 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.600 sued in her lawsuit. Our corporation that she is a 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.840 part of November fifteen she has named in her lawsuit, 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.319 and that doesn't even exist anymore. The corporation was shut 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.840 down long ago. So I don't know if it's laziness 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.960 on the lawyer's behalf or what but it's certainly a choice. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.760 But do you sit here, and this is kind of difficulty. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.600 She feels something happened to her and she should be believed. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.920 But as you sit here, do you characterize Dawn Richard 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:29.320 as a victim of Ditties? 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:36.120 You know, I'm very sensitive about people being victims, and 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.839 just because I personally have experienced her to be and 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:42.920 I honestly don't know who she is, and I spent 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:54.720 a lot of time around her, I have to, as 0:09:54.800 --> 0:10:00.679 a human assume that if she's saying she's victim, I 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.480 need to give her the benefit of the doubt that 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.600 and hear what she has to say about being a 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:05.800 victim came. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.480 Out yesterday in test testimony. She actually reached out to Ditty, 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.440 what four plus years ago, still trying to work with him. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.160 Yeah, you know, it's interesting. When she filed her lawsuit, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.160 the sons of Ditty took to the Internet and posted 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.000 a bunch of like Diddy had time to respond to 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.959 Don's claims, he didn't necessarily respond to all the civil 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.680 suits there were many. His response to her was very 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.680 strong and the sons and the sons also took to 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.160 their social media to respond about her. They hadn't done 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.360 that with all the civil cases filed prior. And what 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.280 they did within these posts is a slide of all 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.720 the text messages of her begging to come back and 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.840 be part of the making the band reboot, that they 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.480 were great, she wants her family back. There were all 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:54.240 these things, And what I noticed within those text messages 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.680 and when I put all of the pieces together, is 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.440 we were on tour with her when she was begging 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.520 to go back and filmed that. She never told us 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.960 when she went and did that. She never told us 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.960 she was going to do that. Shannon and I were 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.440 just doing a show alone and she just was off 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.480 filming the reboot, and we didn't know until we fans 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.800 had written us and put it on the internet, like 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.080 why aren't you guys there? And other than that, we 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.160 were sleeping and eating in the same place and in 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.840 the same ban and back in the same hotel and 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.560 back on stage with each other every single day. We 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.640 had no idea. And then like when it dropped in 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.840 the media, she just like was like, oh, yeah, I'm 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.280 bringing opportunities to us, which is very much her style. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:38.079 And I hate that. 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.240 That's the second witness in because Cassie was so bombshell 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.959 every day, and she did present herself in a very 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:50.280 fair way in regards to the day she participated in 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:56.120 the days she didn't. She established a force, she established coercion, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.400 she established. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.960 You know, the good and the bad. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.320 It seems like don didn't do such a good job 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.920 of having a strong, a consistent memory of what she 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.640 feels she witnessed. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.880 In terms of those inconsistencies that the defense team pointed 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.640 out in cross examination. One of the more bombshell allegations 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.920 she had made, I believe in her civil lawsuit was 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.480 that other celebrities and she named them, were talking usher 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:27.120 neo name. A few actually personally were there and witnessed 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.200 Sean Detecombe's punching Cass even to her in the stomach, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:32.400 I believe, at a restaurant. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.280 And then did you see what happened on the stand. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.599 She couldn't recall if they saw it. It's another inconsistency 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.120 that they were able to point out very quickly. And 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.760 also I think adding all of those names to a lawsuit, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.640 in my opinion, if I'm an attorney, I don't need 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.640 to give the public a tell all book. I didn't 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.240 even love all the details about Cassie. That's great to 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.960 help Cassie's case, but what in here is helping your case? 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.400 So for me, when I see tell All books happening 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:07.520 in lawsuits, it makes me question what I'm looking at. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.480 And I saw a lot of tell All booking going 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.360 on in that specific case. And in regards to the 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:17.920 naming those people, yes, I did see them around. But 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.600 because she says they all saw something, and now she 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.600 says she doesn't know if they saw something, that's problematic, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.640 and bringing their names in is very problematic because if 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.559 they didn't see it and they aren't doing things like that, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.840 putting their name in the middle of this storm is 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.680 very destructive for careers, for families. I mean, I know 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.400 Neo is very open in life about you know, his 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.600 behind the door, his polyamorous relationships. He's got pretty Baby, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.520 he's got twin Flame, he's got Phoenix Feather and sexy 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:49.079 Little something. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.360 Do you think he learned perhaps that it's better to 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.640 go ahead and be transparent with your choices versus. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:59.600 I mean maybe, I yes, I think come, if you're 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.760 poly amorous and everybody's consenting, I think the first thing 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.880 and you're a celebrity, the first thing you should probably 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.920 do is run and tell somebody in the media, because 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.880 you don't want it to be told any other way. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.120 No, this is a good point you make. If Neo 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.000 and Usher were around, if they didn't see a thing. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.480 The storyline now based on her testimony, which everybody's pointing 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.000 out was inconsistent. She just put these guys' names out 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.840 there as two people who saw a woman abuse and 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:26.320 did nothing. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.080 Yeah. And by the way, I know all of this street. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.400 I am familiar with all kinds of things that I 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.360 that have even been confirmed by sources there. But I 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.520 wasn't there, and I would be absolutely reckless to come 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.440 up here and sit with you guys and list off 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.240 all the things that I've heard about any of these people. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.280 Unless you actually understand what you're saying and you're consistent 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.920 with it. It's not for public consumption because you can 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.320 damage people's lives. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.920 I have a question for you, Aubrey, because had you 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:02.840 seen something like that, had you seen did he punch Cassie, 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.840 would you have felt comfortable speaking up, going to authorities 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.240 doing something about it. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.560 Yeah. The environment when Dawn punched me in the back 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.160 of the head, I called nine to one one, that's 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.920 what you do when you're in your workplace and you're 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.400 assaulted by your work colleague. There was nothing that is 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.120 deserved of in any work environment. And I didn't even 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.520 realize that because everything is so personal. But because I 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.440 called my mom, who's a lawyer, right afterward, I said, Mom, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.600 she told me, you know, don't you need to make 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.320 a record of this, And so you need to have 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.480 somebody come there now and take a record of exactly 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.760 what happens. But don't don't press any charges. Obviously, don't 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.000 take anything into a place that could be hurtful toward people. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.360 This can be a private matter. And then she also 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.800 said I was like, but everyone's telling me to suck 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.040 it up and that's just how things go. And I 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.560 was saying, like, you know, I'm being looked at, like 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.440 I'm being like a Karen you know, we didn't have 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.680 that word back then, but like a whiny white woman. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.320 And my mom was like, Aubrey, this isn't about color, 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.760 This isn't about emotion. This is about you are in 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.360 a workplace. You can't normalize someone punching you because you 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.920 don't agree on something. What is she going to do 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.080 the next time you don't agree. She's already sees that 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.080 she can punch you. What is she going to do next? 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.520 You can't normalize that behavior in a workplace. I'm like, well, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.600 I'm not in a workplace, mom, I'm in the studio 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.640 making music. This is my life. And she's like, that's 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.600 your work, that's your job. You don't normalize being attacked 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.800 at your job. If that happened in any other workplace, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.640 that would not be okay. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.280 Why does she hit you in the head? 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:28.680 You know this. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.960 I know it sounds ridiculous, but it sounds like a 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:32.880 story that we need to hear. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.200 We were all coming back and reuniting for I believe 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.760 it was the first time since Dannity Kane had been 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.320 destroyed in front of the world by puff On making 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.920 the band. When we came back, we all made each 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.920 other a promise that we would focus on this as 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.600 I had just released a solo project. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.280 I wanted to release music videos, etc. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.520 But we all said, if I go and do that 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.560 and other people go and do their thing, we're not 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.000 showing the community that we're connected. And that was what 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.200 was kind of pinned on us, like we couldn't get 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.080 it together at the end of making the band, so 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:05.800 we wanted. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.760 To show solidarity. We all agreed on that. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.240 Unfortunately, through a series of events, we found out that 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.760 Don was shooting her own solo videos and doing her 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.160 own solo things while we had just worked so hard 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.480 on a group thing, which was frustrating for me on 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.280 multiple levels. I had my own project that I sacrificed. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.760 I had people living under my house, on my water, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.200 my gas. I was the one driving her and others 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.560 around because they don't have cars and everybody needed to 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.960 save money. I was the storage for all of the 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.760 merch etc. A lot of time and investment went into 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.880 these projects, and for me, my bandmate was concerned. When 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.680 we found out the whole series of lies and inconsistencies 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.159 were once again occurring with this girl. We went in 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.720 a studio and sat down to discuss it, and she 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.400 was getting more and more angry. We started to see 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.760 a side of her we had never seen. When she 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.240 made a comment like, y'all better, you know, watch yourselves, this, that. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.960 And the other. I'm not the one. And I turned around. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.320 She was behind me, and I said, respectfully, Don, I'm 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.120 not the one either, And then I went back forward 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.000 and said like, listen, we need to be able to 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.080 establish some type of work, and we were talking with 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.560 our producing partners, so there was no lead, right, so 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.920 no one could really get control of the situation. We 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.119 all had to work through it. So before I knew it, 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.200 she punched me. I flew into the headboard. I ran outside. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.119 My bandmate witnessed her screaming up and down the halls, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:26.320 puffing her chest up. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:27.280 Aside of her. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.360 We had never known, and it was shocking. I think 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.879 she almost looked shocked to me that she let it 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.600 out because we had never She was so soft spoken, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.560 she was innocent, She would didn't talk dirty sexually, She 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.919 didn't even seem to have experiences like she just was 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.760 a whole different person. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.920 That she taught us who she was. It was a 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:50.840 whole different person the first time around. 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.719 So you know, now looking at all of this and 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.440 understanding things that I know that occurred with her according 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.280 to people that were there and witnessed it, again, we 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.280 have to see what what she can prove and what 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.480 you know, where the consistencies are in her story. But 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.320 maybe she learned some of that behavior during her time 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:08.080 in Dirty Money. 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:08.600 I don't know. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.400 I was just going to ask that, do you think 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.760 it perhaps she could have changed based on the environment. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:14.879 That she was. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.359 Probably there was a lot of bitches and hoes. Did 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.320 he loved using those words? There was your mama's a hoe, 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.760 I mean, does not know my mother? Like, there was 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.399 a lot of you your hoe, bitch, this, that and 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.800 the other, back and forth. And I was outside, like 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.920 getting counsel, and so I made sure that we took 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.719 a record of what occurred that day with authorities, and 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.280 then we didn't return and allow anybody to talk us 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.920 into it. She went later on, went and said it's 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.240 because of vocals, and we wanted our vocals over hers, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.679 and you know, basically implied as she had told us before, 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.800 she's a real singer and me and Shannon weren't. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:20:05.800 Basically, is there any part of you that goes damn? 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.840 We went through so much publicly together. It's a shame 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:11.919 that she and I aren't friends, that we aren't talking. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.280 Is this is just not possible that you all could 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:15.760 anxile in any way. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.199 I mean I reconciled with her. 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.040 I'm the one that reached out to her after she 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.720