Speaker 1: Amy Robock and TJ.
Speaker 2: Holmes present Aubry O Day covering the Didty Trials based
Speaker 2: on transcripts, sources, and reporting from the courtroom.
Speaker 3: As is obvious, Aubrey O Day is not present in
Speaker 3: the courtroom during the proceedings.
Speaker 4: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial.
Speaker 4: Hey there, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Amy
Speaker 4: and TJ Present Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. I'm TJ.
Speaker 4: Holmes sitting alongside my partner Amy Roboc and Robes. We
Speaker 4: have been covering an I guess really into this ditty
Speaker 4: trial more than most, but we have been surprised, shocked
Speaker 4: to a certain degree at how much we didn't know
Speaker 4: and how enlightened we have become because of Aubrey O Day,
Speaker 4: because we have had her by our side and helping
Speaker 4: us walk through some of this trial.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: You can read the transcripts, you can look at all
Speaker 2: the coverage, and still it's not the same until you
Speaker 2: actually talk with someone who was in that inner circle,
Speaker 2: who was there during those years when all of this
Speaker 2: was going on, and who personally experienced Sean Diddycombs at
Speaker 2: his best and at his worst, and Aubrey O'Day is
Speaker 2: that person and it truly sheds light on all the
Speaker 2: testimony we're hearing in the court right So thank you.
Speaker 4: Aubra Aberty is sitting here once again, right here with
Speaker 4: us in New York, where she is not testifying. We
Speaker 4: will remind everybody lord once again. But before we get
Speaker 4: into the testimony we saw on now we've launched a
Speaker 4: second full week of testimony. Now, just initial impressions, give
Speaker 4: us two or three words of what we saw yesterday
Speaker 4: in court in the testimony.
Speaker 3: What you saw yesterday were three people that were utilized
Speaker 3: to confirm and bring more of driving home the force
Speaker 3: and coercion part in regards to the sex trafficking, basically
Speaker 3: to validate claims that Cassie made. Some of the people
Speaker 3: on the stand have their own civil cases, some don't.
Speaker 3: There was my ex bandmate, Don Rochard took the stand.
Speaker 3: I believe during her testimony they were able to establish
Speaker 3: one story seven different ways or something along those lines.
Speaker 3: With Carrie, I don't believe they were able to poke
Speaker 3: any holes in her.
Speaker 1: In her recollection of what she witnessed.
Speaker 2: Carrie Morgan, who was Cassie h was Cassie's best friend
Speaker 2: at the time and not anymore, which also allows us
Speaker 2: to understand that this isn't somebody that's going to side
Speaker 2: with her nowadays.
Speaker 1: It's somebody that was.
Speaker 3: An old friend has come back and testified to him
Speaker 3: being violent, assaulting her and actually even being violent toward
Speaker 3: her as well.
Speaker 1: And then they had David James.
Speaker 3: Who's a former assistant to Comb's and James was basically
Speaker 3: starting a little bit to establish for me now this
Speaker 3: organization of people, because within Cassie, they did show that
Speaker 3: she was an employee, an employee that was there to
Speaker 3: make ten albums, and she continued to get paid for
Speaker 3: those ten albums as an artist. But she made it
Speaker 3: very clear early on that she stopped being an artist
Speaker 3: and she was a full time a sex worker, and
Speaker 3: that the sex work became so horrific that she then
Speaker 3: had to recover and it would eat up her entire week.
Speaker 3: So it became her, as she said, full time job.
Speaker 3: So that's paying somebody that was doing sex work. Now
Speaker 3: we have another person that works for Ditty that is
Speaker 3: was there too. I forget exactly how he said it
Speaker 3: operate as the chairman to his company in order to
Speaker 3: make sure that he's able to handle his days.
Speaker 1: Well, he was an assistant.
Speaker 3: He was an assistant basically, but the way in which
Speaker 3: he worded it was funny to me. But basically he
Speaker 3: attested that everything was controlled by Ditty. It was his kingdom.
Speaker 3: Everyone had to abide by his rules, and he had
Speaker 3: conversations with Cassie that established that she felt that she
Speaker 3: couldn't get out.
Speaker 4: All right, okay, we're going to get into some weeds here.
Speaker 4: Your reaction to what the day was? Was it interesting?
Speaker 4: Was it theft up? Was it eye opening? Was it
Speaker 4: what would you say characterize the day? Because when Cassie
Speaker 4: was up there every day, we said this was bombshell
Speaker 4: after bombshell after bombshare.
Speaker 1: It wasn't giving that, it wasn't given cor operating.
Speaker 2: Was it confusion?
Speaker 3: Two people were helping coroborate bits of it. But again,
Speaker 3: when I hear things like, you know, Cassie felt that
Speaker 3: he controlled everything and that she didn't have a way out,
Speaker 3: She couldn't get out. Those are all her feelings about
Speaker 3: what she believed at that time. Yet they also established
Speaker 3: over and over again that they told her to get out,
Speaker 3: and she said she didn't want to. She said everything
Speaker 3: was okay, So it's I just don't know if we're
Speaker 3: getting close enough to force. I've heard from inside the
Speaker 3: courtroom that Don was very inconsistent and not credible unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Don first.
Speaker 2: Let's establish for our listeners what your relationship was and
Speaker 2: is with Don Richard. We know she was a former
Speaker 2: bandmate of yours, but who was Dawn to.
Speaker 1: You as in her character?
Speaker 2: Just your relationship the two of you.
Speaker 3: Don was my bandmate, and she's an incredibly talented woman.
Speaker 2: And friends.
Speaker 1: I thought we were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you have to remember I was the
Speaker 3: only child, and I'm the I was the youngest one
Speaker 3: in the group when everyone wasn't lying about their ages.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, I thought everybody in the
Speaker 3: group were my real sisters. I thought we were going
Speaker 3: to have each other's back till the end of time.
Speaker 3: That's not what has occurred. I am close with every
Speaker 3: girl in my group except for Don.
Speaker 4: Okay, you had good times. Is it fair to say
Speaker 4: you all were close at one point and had good
Speaker 4: times that you thought were genuinely good times at the time.
Speaker 3: There were moments that I had with Don that I
Speaker 3: felt were genuine. I learned otherwise that they weren't okay.
Speaker 4: So why if all your bandmates you're cool with what
Speaker 4: happened that you that broke down the relationship with don.
Speaker 3: Oh God, a multitude of things, consistent patterns of inconsistency,
Speaker 3: consistent patterns of truly just not understanding who was standing
Speaker 3: in front of me. My other bandmate and I went
Speaker 3: on tour with her long after Dirty Money, which is
Speaker 3: how I knew a lot about what occurred during Dirty
Speaker 3: Money because she would openly discuss things that she saw
Speaker 3: happening to Cassie Wow. Never told us anything happened to
Speaker 3: her and then, and we were given a lot of detail.
Speaker 3: But my bandmate and I would always kind of come
Speaker 3: back to each other when she'd walk away and be like,
Speaker 3: there were just so many inconsistencies. We just don't even
Speaker 3: know what happened in front of us. So what you
Speaker 3: saw it was obvious to more people than just me. Okay,
Speaker 3: what we read or what we heard from what her
Speaker 3: testimony was yesterday, and a lot of people were saying
Speaker 3: inconsistent reads. That's exactly the Dawn Richard that you knew, yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and I and her the outfit going
Speaker 3: into court that I first saw at the start of
Speaker 3: the morning was a bit of a tell for me.
Speaker 3: What I know being the daughter of a lawyer is
Speaker 3: there are so many hands that are put on you
Speaker 3: in regards to just visuals in a courtroom. We discussed
Speaker 3: having your children in there. We discussed gray hair, a
Speaker 3: pregnant belly. All these things are affecting the jury. So
Speaker 3: was a three piece suit with diamonds on a caller?
Speaker 3: It's certainly a choice. And then when you got into
Speaker 3: her testimony, it seems like she was inconsistent and not
Speaker 3: credible as what's being reported.
Speaker 2: So when we heard Dawn testify and the access she
Speaker 2: says she had to Ditty and to Cassie and what
Speaker 2: she saw and what she witnessed that was different than
Speaker 2: the access that you and your other bandmates had. Did
Speaker 2: she have a different relationship with Ditty and with Cassie
Speaker 2: than you all did?
Speaker 3: She did not suggest that she ever did when asked
Speaker 3: long after Dirty Money.
Speaker 2: But you all at the time had no idea she
Speaker 2: was sexually involved whatsoever with Diddy.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I saw many things that were showing me
Speaker 3: that a complete opposite narrative. So when I saw it,
Speaker 3: I was shocked, and then when I started to speak
Speaker 3: to my other colleagues from making the band, I began
Speaker 3: to learn who my bandmate was.
Speaker 4: Would she be qualified? She has a lawsuit. I think
Speaker 4: she's alleging sexual battery. I think is what she's saying
Speaker 4: against Diddy's assault.
Speaker 3: But the assault that she alleges in her lawsuit is
Speaker 3: that during a fitting he touched her inappropriately in areas
Speaker 3: and all the other things that she alleges in her
Speaker 3: lawsuit or things that happened on making the band. We
Speaker 3: had to stay up for days at a time, we
Speaker 3: weren't we weren't eating, we weren't we were we were
Speaker 3: losing weight. I mean, all of those things were kind
Speaker 3: of like televised to the world. We weren't included or
Speaker 3: ever aware that there was going to be a lawsuit
Speaker 3: over those type of allegations. I mean, we're even being
Speaker 3: sued in her lawsuit. Our corporation that she is a
Speaker 3: part of November fifteen she has named in her lawsuit,
Speaker 3: and that doesn't even exist anymore. The corporation was shut
Speaker 3: down long ago. So I don't know if it's laziness
Speaker 3: on the lawyer's behalf or what but it's certainly a choice.
Speaker 4: But do you sit here, and this is kind of difficulty.
Speaker 4: She feels something happened to her and she should be believed.
Speaker 4: But as you sit here, do you characterize Dawn Richard
Speaker 4: as a victim of Ditties?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm very sensitive about people being victims, and
Speaker 3: just because I personally have experienced her to be and
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know who she is, and I spent
Speaker 3: a lot of time around her, I have to, as
Speaker 3: a human assume that if she's saying she's victim, I
Speaker 3: need to give her the benefit of the doubt that
Speaker 3: and hear what she has to say about being a
Speaker 3: victim came.
Speaker 4: Out yesterday in test testimony. She actually reached out to Ditty,
Speaker 4: what four plus years ago, still trying to work with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. When she filed her lawsuit,
Speaker 3: the sons of Ditty took to the Internet and posted
Speaker 3: a bunch of like Diddy had time to respond to
Speaker 3: Don's claims, he didn't necessarily respond to all the civil
Speaker 3: suits there were many. His response to her was very
Speaker 3: strong and the sons and the sons also took to
Speaker 3: their social media to respond about her. They hadn't done
Speaker 3: that with all the civil cases filed prior. And what
Speaker 3: they did within these posts is a slide of all
Speaker 3: the text messages of her begging to come back and
Speaker 3: be part of the making the band reboot, that they
Speaker 3: were great, she wants her family back. There were all
Speaker 3: these things, And what I noticed within those text messages
Speaker 3: and when I put all of the pieces together, is
Speaker 3: we were on tour with her when she was begging
Speaker 3: to go back and filmed that. She never told us
Speaker 3: when she went and did that. She never told us
Speaker 3: she was going to do that. Shannon and I were
Speaker 3: just doing a show alone and she just was off
Speaker 3: filming the reboot, and we didn't know until we fans
Speaker 3: had written us and put it on the internet, like
Speaker 3: why aren't you guys there? And other than that, we
Speaker 3: were sleeping and eating in the same place and in
Speaker 3: the same ban and back in the same hotel and
Speaker 3: back on stage with each other every single day. We
Speaker 3: had no idea. And then like when it dropped in
Speaker 3: the media, she just like was like, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: bringing opportunities to us, which is very much her style.
Speaker 1: And I hate that.
Speaker 3: That's the second witness in because Cassie was so bombshell
Speaker 3: every day, and she did present herself in a very
Speaker 3: fair way in regards to the day she participated in
Speaker 3: the days she didn't. She established a force, she established coercion,
Speaker 3: she established.
Speaker 1: You know, the good and the bad.
Speaker 3: It seems like don didn't do such a good job
Speaker 3: of having a strong, a consistent memory of what she
Speaker 3: feels she witnessed.
Speaker 2: In terms of those inconsistencies that the defense team pointed
Speaker 2: out in cross examination. One of the more bombshell allegations
Speaker 2: she had made, I believe in her civil lawsuit was
Speaker 2: that other celebrities and she named them, were talking usher
Speaker 2: neo name. A few actually personally were there and witnessed
Speaker 2: Sean Detecombe's punching Cass even to her in the stomach,
Speaker 2: I believe, at a restaurant.
Speaker 3: And then did you see what happened on the stand.
Speaker 3: She couldn't recall if they saw it. It's another inconsistency
Speaker 3: that they were able to point out very quickly. And
Speaker 3: also I think adding all of those names to a lawsuit,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, if I'm an attorney, I don't need
Speaker 3: to give the public a tell all book. I didn't
Speaker 3: even love all the details about Cassie. That's great to
Speaker 3: help Cassie's case, but what in here is helping your case?
Speaker 3: So for me, when I see tell All books happening
Speaker 3: in lawsuits, it makes me question what I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: And I saw a lot of tell All booking going
Speaker 3: on in that specific case. And in regards to the
Speaker 3: naming those people, yes, I did see them around. But
Speaker 3: because she says they all saw something, and now she
Speaker 3: says she doesn't know if they saw something, that's problematic,
Speaker 3: and bringing their names in is very problematic because if
Speaker 3: they didn't see it and they aren't doing things like that,
Speaker 3: putting their name in the middle of this storm is
Speaker 3: very destructive for careers, for families. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: Neo is very open in life about you know, his
Speaker 3: behind the door, his polyamorous relationships. He's got pretty Baby,
Speaker 3: he's got twin Flame, he's got Phoenix Feather and sexy
Speaker 3: Little something.
Speaker 2: Do you think he learned perhaps that it's better to
Speaker 2: go ahead and be transparent with your choices versus.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, I yes, I think come, if you're
Speaker 3: poly amorous and everybody's consenting, I think the first thing
Speaker 3: and you're a celebrity, the first thing you should probably
Speaker 3: do is run and tell somebody in the media, because
Speaker 3: you don't want it to be told any other way.
Speaker 4: No, this is a good point you make. If Neo
Speaker 4: and Usher were around, if they didn't see a thing.
Speaker 4: The storyline now based on her testimony, which everybody's pointing
Speaker 4: out was inconsistent. She just put these guys' names out
Speaker 4: there as two people who saw a woman abuse and
Speaker 4: did nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, I know all of this street.
Speaker 3: I am familiar with all kinds of things that I
Speaker 3: that have even been confirmed by sources there. But I
Speaker 3: wasn't there, and I would be absolutely reckless to come
Speaker 3: up here and sit with you guys and list off
Speaker 3: all the things that I've heard about any of these people.
Speaker 3: Unless you actually understand what you're saying and you're consistent
Speaker 3: with it. It's not for public consumption because you can
Speaker 3: damage people's lives.
Speaker 2: I have a question for you, Aubrey, because had you
Speaker 2: seen something like that, had you seen did he punch Cassie,
Speaker 2: would you have felt comfortable speaking up, going to authorities
Speaker 2: doing something about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The environment when Dawn punched me in the back
Speaker 3: of the head, I called nine to one one, that's
Speaker 3: what you do when you're in your workplace and you're
Speaker 3: assaulted by your work colleague. There was nothing that is
Speaker 3: deserved of in any work environment. And I didn't even
Speaker 3: realize that because everything is so personal. But because I
Speaker 3: called my mom, who's a lawyer, right afterward, I said, Mom,
Speaker 3: she told me, you know, don't you need to make
Speaker 3: a record of this, And so you need to have
Speaker 3: somebody come there now and take a record of exactly
Speaker 3: what happens. But don't don't press any charges. Obviously, don't
Speaker 3: take anything into a place that could be hurtful toward people.
Speaker 3: This can be a private matter. And then she also
Speaker 3: said I was like, but everyone's telling me to suck
Speaker 3: it up and that's just how things go. And I
Speaker 3: was saying, like, you know, I'm being looked at, like
Speaker 3: I'm being like a Karen you know, we didn't have
Speaker 3: that word back then, but like a whiny white woman.
Speaker 3: And my mom was like, Aubrey, this isn't about color,
Speaker 3: This isn't about emotion. This is about you are in
Speaker 3: a workplace. You can't normalize someone punching you because you
Speaker 3: don't agree on something. What is she going to do
Speaker 3: the next time you don't agree. She's already sees that
Speaker 3: she can punch you. What is she going to do next?
Speaker 3: You can't normalize that behavior in a workplace. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I'm not in a workplace, mom, I'm in the studio
Speaker 3: making music. This is my life. And she's like, that's
Speaker 3: your work, that's your job. You don't normalize being attacked
Speaker 3: at your job. If that happened in any other workplace,
Speaker 3: that would not be okay.
Speaker 4: Why does she hit you in the head?
Speaker 2: You know this.
Speaker 1: I know it sounds ridiculous, but it sounds like a
Speaker 1: story that we need to hear.
Speaker 3: We were all coming back and reuniting for I believe
Speaker 3: it was the first time since Dannity Kane had been
Speaker 3: destroyed in front of the world by puff On making
Speaker 3: the band. When we came back, we all made each
Speaker 3: other a promise that we would focus on this as
Speaker 3: I had just released a solo project.
Speaker 1: I wanted to release music videos, etc.
Speaker 3: But we all said, if I go and do that
Speaker 3: and other people go and do their thing, we're not
Speaker 3: showing the community that we're connected. And that was what
Speaker 3: was kind of pinned on us, like we couldn't get
Speaker 3: it together at the end of making the band, so
Speaker 3: we wanted.
Speaker 1: To show solidarity. We all agreed on that.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, through a series of events, we found out that
Speaker 3: Don was shooting her own solo videos and doing her
Speaker 3: own solo things while we had just worked so hard
Speaker 3: on a group thing, which was frustrating for me on
Speaker 3: multiple levels. I had my own project that I sacrificed.
Speaker 3: I had people living under my house, on my water,
Speaker 3: my gas. I was the one driving her and others
Speaker 3: around because they don't have cars and everybody needed to
Speaker 3: save money. I was the storage for all of the
Speaker 3: merch etc. A lot of time and investment went into
Speaker 3: these projects, and for me, my bandmate was concerned. When
Speaker 3: we found out the whole series of lies and inconsistencies
Speaker 3: were once again occurring with this girl. We went in
Speaker 3: a studio and sat down to discuss it, and she
Speaker 3: was getting more and more angry. We started to see
Speaker 3: a side of her we had never seen. When she
Speaker 3: made a comment like, y'all better, you know, watch yourselves, this, that.
Speaker 1: And the other. I'm not the one. And I turned around.
Speaker 3: She was behind me, and I said, respectfully, Don, I'm
Speaker 3: not the one either, And then I went back forward
Speaker 3: and said like, listen, we need to be able to
Speaker 3: establish some type of work, and we were talking with
Speaker 3: our producing partners, so there was no lead, right, so
Speaker 3: no one could really get control of the situation. We
Speaker 3: all had to work through it. So before I knew it,
Speaker 3: she punched me. I flew into the headboard. I ran outside.
Speaker 3: My bandmate witnessed her screaming up and down the halls,
Speaker 3: puffing her chest up.
Speaker 1: Aside of her.
Speaker 3: We had never known, and it was shocking. I think
Speaker 3: she almost looked shocked to me that she let it
Speaker 3: out because we had never She was so soft spoken,
Speaker 3: she was innocent, She would didn't talk dirty sexually, She
Speaker 3: didn't even seem to have experiences like she just was
Speaker 3: a whole different person.
Speaker 1: That she taught us who she was. It was a
Speaker 1: whole different person the first time around.
Speaker 3: So you know, now looking at all of this and
Speaker 3: understanding things that I know that occurred with her according
Speaker 3: to people that were there and witnessed it, again, we
Speaker 3: have to see what what she can prove and what
Speaker 3: you know, where the consistencies are in her story. But
Speaker 3: maybe she learned some of that behavior during her time
Speaker 3: in Dirty Money.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just going to ask that, do you think
Speaker 2: it perhaps she could have changed based on the environment.
Speaker 1: That she was.
Speaker 3: Probably there was a lot of bitches and hoes. Did
Speaker 3: he loved using those words? There was your mama's a hoe,
Speaker 3: I mean, does not know my mother? Like, there was
Speaker 3: a lot of you your hoe, bitch, this, that and
Speaker 3: the other, back and forth. And I was outside, like
Speaker 3: getting counsel, and so I made sure that we took
Speaker 3: a record of what occurred that day with authorities, and
Speaker 3: then we didn't return and allow anybody to talk us
Speaker 3: into it. She went later on, went and said it's
Speaker 3: because of vocals, and we wanted our vocals over hers,
Speaker 3: and you know, basically implied as she had told us before,
Speaker 3: she's a real singer and me and Shannon weren't.
Speaker 4: Basically, is there any part of you that goes damn?
Speaker 4: We went through so much publicly together. It's a shame
Speaker 4: that she and I aren't friends, that we aren't talking.
Speaker 4: Is this is just not possible that you all could
Speaker 4: anxile in any way.
Speaker 1: I mean I reconciled with her.
Speaker 3: I'm the one that reached out to her after she
Speaker 3: did that, and I reconciled the situation, and she wasn't
Speaker 3: offering up a whole lot of apologies, but I was
Speaker 3: trying to read in between the lines and give her
Speaker 3: a heart that I'm not certain she even has.
Speaker 1: But but when.
Speaker 3: You ask that specific question, yes, I wrote her after
Speaker 3: I got after I received a naffa David that I
Speaker 3: can't talk about that we've discussed that I'm very concerned over.
Speaker 3: I called her or texted her, and then her assistant
Speaker 3: called right back said her dad was in the hospital.
Speaker 3: He also ended the call saying when she gets off
Speaker 3: her flight, I'll let you know. But in this specific regard,
Speaker 3: I wrote her and I said, I told the sorry.
Speaker 3: I told the assistant, listen, something scary is happening. This
Speaker 3: is way bigger than any like Danny Kanereen. And I'm
Speaker 3: not calling to get the band back together. I'm not
Speaker 3: calling for business opportunities, which is probably why I didn't
Speaker 3: get a call back. I said, I'm calling because something
Speaker 3: scary is happening, and people are telling me I can't
Speaker 3: trust On and that she was doing things with Diddy
Speaker 3: and that she's working with them or whatever I was hearing,
Speaker 3: and I said, I need to know and believe that
Speaker 3: when it comes down to scary things, that we were
Speaker 3: all sisters and that we would all protect each other.
Speaker 3: And if I'm right, she will call me back. And
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, then I won't hear from her, and.
Speaker 1: So be it. I'll make peace with it. And I
Speaker 1: never heard from her.
Speaker 3: I don't know when she dropped her lawsuit, but it
Speaker 3: was like maybe a few weeks prior to that.
Speaker 4: Within the past year and a half or so, two years.
Speaker 1: I'd have to look when she dropped her life. It
Speaker 1: was in recent times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but before that, the last conversation you had with
Speaker 4: her was how many.
Speaker 3: Years ago we stopped her and I did a side
Speaker 3: project together after we went on tour, like even after
Speaker 3: she hit me, we had a whole other three other
Speaker 3: tours after that.
Speaker 1: When we reconvene, I mean.
Speaker 3: I forgave a lot. I forgave a lot too much.
Speaker 3: My back is broken for how much I bent and
Speaker 3: protected it because and even I feel uncomfortable a bit
Speaker 3: be it. But I trust you guys, and I trust
Speaker 3: this process. But I feel uncomfortable a bit even saying this,
Speaker 3: because what it does is it's dismantling our legacy, what
Speaker 3: Diddy has now. Yeah, and and and also like what
Speaker 3: everything that Diddy has done and is now being now
Speaker 3: the world is seeing, is dismantling our legacy. All of
Speaker 3: it is a dismantling of a legacy that I'm so
Speaker 3: proud of that it makes me physically sick. It's why
Speaker 3: a few of my band members don't want to go
Speaker 3: near any of this because they are sick that we
Speaker 3: are dismantling a legacy. But if the legacy is going
Speaker 3: to be dismantled, I do feel that they we need
Speaker 3: to have a bit more of a consistent player from
Speaker 3: my group speaking.
Speaker 2: I know it's interesting and that is lost in all
Speaker 2: of this because yes, we're focused on the you know,
Speaker 2: the alleged abuse and the alleged crimes, but there were
Speaker 2: real people who obviously were hurt. But then there were
Speaker 2: real careers that were ended. And then when you reflect
Speaker 2: back at all the time and all the work and
Speaker 2: all the emotion and all the sacrifices you made are
Speaker 2: now just all child.
Speaker 1: At the very beginning of my career.
Speaker 3: So that's how you learn your and in a very
Speaker 3: informative age, the very crucial age where you understand who
Speaker 3: you are is when all this happened. It completely changes
Speaker 3: your life. You're not the same. I've been crawling up
Speaker 3: from under it for twenty years. I don't even know
Speaker 3: who I am half the time. I just know that
Speaker 3: when I'm gonna, I could wake up to any headline
Speaker 3: at any time, at any day, and everyone could have
Speaker 3: turned on me. It's happened about seventy million times so far.
Speaker 3: Knowing that what I've learned to keep consistent is my
Speaker 3: integrity and the way that I advocate for things.
Speaker 1: Those are the two things that guide me in my life.
Speaker 3: Everything else, the way I look, whether I dress crazy
Speaker 3: or not, whether I'm fatter or skinnier, whether my lips
Speaker 3: are injected or not, All of that is in how
Speaker 3: much it's criticized as neither here nor there. For me,
Speaker 3: as long as my credibility and my consistency, my integrity
Speaker 3: is aligned with what I know to be true. And
Speaker 3: that's why I'm always leaving room for down and puff
Speaker 3: to potentially, for potentially there to be more to the story,
Speaker 3: or for there to be something good there.
Speaker 4: To hear you say, you've been crawling out from under
Speaker 4: it for twenty years, Like I said, and I said
Speaker 4: at the top here, you have been someone who has
Speaker 4: helped us get some first, get some perspective, and helped
Speaker 4: us report on some perspective that we just wouldn't have
Speaker 4: if we didn't have you here to talk about this.
Speaker 4: We talk about down here. I want to move to
Speaker 4: the best friend Carrie Morgan different. She was the best
Speaker 4: friend of Cassie up in tour for years. Their relationship
Speaker 4: ended after Diddy assaulted her, allegedly according to Carrie, Compare
Speaker 4: to Dawn's testimony, how did carry come home?
Speaker 3: The cross examination wasn't able to really discredit any of
Speaker 3: her testimony that I read. She established that Combs was
Speaker 3: not intoxicated or high when he got physically violent with
Speaker 3: Ventura on two occasions, and when he sent her money
Speaker 3: and she signed an NDA. So that's establishing an organization
Speaker 3: that silences people. That's establishing knowledge of silencing people. That's
Speaker 3: establishing violence, that's establishing no drugs, because it's likely that
Speaker 3: his team is going to be very, very hell bent
Speaker 3: on establishing this is a man that was a drug addict.
Speaker 1: He had to go to rehabit got so bad.
Speaker 3: Did he did his whole speech likely on purpose at
Speaker 3: some BET Awards honor that he got where he said
Speaker 3: thanks these four people for holding me down during the
Speaker 3: dark times. Cassie was the last name mentioned, and it's
Speaker 3: a very palpable speech if you go back and watch
Speaker 3: it now, knowing all that we know, and you really
Speaker 3: should pay attention to all the names he said, because
Speaker 3: mm mmmmmm.
Speaker 4: What were the names? You're gonna make me go back
Speaker 4: and watch what was the name?
Speaker 1: TD Jakes?
Speaker 3: And then Cassie Ventura for holding him down during the
Speaker 3: dark days, and Lori Anne for keeping him free and
Speaker 3: TD Jakes. I don't remember what he said about that, ma'am.
Speaker 4: How important is the establishing continuing to establish? She told
Speaker 4: several stories about witnessing violence by Diddy against Cassie. She said,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be here. I had no desire
Speaker 4: to be here. I'm here because I was subpoena, but
Speaker 4: I want this out of my life.
Speaker 1: I had moved on and she's not even friends with Cassie.
Speaker 2: She the moment she got that thirty that what was it?
Speaker 1: How much did she get thirty grand for being assaulted
Speaker 1: by Ditty?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she cut off all communications with Cassie Ventura, and
Speaker 2: to me, that also lent a lot of credibility to
Speaker 2: where she was and what she wanted afterwards, which was
Speaker 2: nothing from them.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Very very strong witness, very strong witness to establish one.
Speaker 3: I think she established a little bit of kind of
Speaker 3: how my experiences.
Speaker 1: Is not in not in with the details.
Speaker 3: But you can get away from it if you want to.
Speaker 3: I didn't go. I didn't stay.
Speaker 2: Going back to your relationship with down and the fact
Speaker 2: that when she did hit you, you did call police.
Speaker 2: That to me would separate you from a lot of
Speaker 2: other folks within the circle that they know whoa If
Speaker 2: Aubrey is around, or if anything happens to Aubrey, she
Speaker 2: is going to notify authorities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you want to know how many people
Speaker 3: want to work with you after knowing that you know
Speaker 3: how many criminals there are in the music industry.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants a tattle.
Speaker 2: It might have hurt you career wise, but it protected
Speaker 2: you in a lot of other ways.
Speaker 1: I just needed to have it be documented.
Speaker 2: Well, Aubrey. We appreciate all the inside information. This truly
Speaker 2: helps all of us watch this trial and pay attention
Speaker 2: to this trial in a different way. So you have
Speaker 2: and incredible and we have much more with Aubrey O Day.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: There is so much more to come, so keep checking
Speaker 2: out the podcast.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.