1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: Amy Robock and TJ. 2 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: Holmes present Aubry O Day covering the Didty Trials based 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 2: on transcripts, sources, and reporting from the courtroom. 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 3: As is obvious, Aubrey O Day is not present in 5 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 3: the courtroom during the proceedings. 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 4: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 4: Hey there, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Amy 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 4: and TJ Present Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. I'm TJ. 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 4: Holmes sitting alongside my partner Amy Roboc and Robes. We 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 4: have been covering an I guess really into this ditty 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 4: trial more than most, but we have been surprised, shocked 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 4: to a certain degree at how much we didn't know 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 4: and how enlightened we have become because of Aubrey O Day, 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 4: because we have had her by our side and helping 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: us walk through some of this trial. 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: That's right. 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: You can read the transcripts, you can look at all 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: the coverage, and still it's not the same until you 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: actually talk with someone who was in that inner circle, 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: who was there during those years when all of this 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: was going on, and who personally experienced Sean Diddycombs at 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: his best and at his worst, and Aubrey O'Day is 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: that person and it truly sheds light on all the 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: testimony we're hearing in the court right So thank you. 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 4: Aubra Aberty is sitting here once again, right here with 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: us in New York, where she is not testifying. We 27 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 4: will remind everybody lord once again. But before we get 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 4: into the testimony we saw on now we've launched a 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: second full week of testimony. Now, just initial impressions, give 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 4: us two or three words of what we saw yesterday 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: in court in the testimony. 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: What you saw yesterday were three people that were utilized 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 3: to confirm and bring more of driving home the force 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: and coercion part in regards to the sex trafficking, basically 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: to validate claims that Cassie made. Some of the people 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: on the stand have their own civil cases, some don't. 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: There was my ex bandmate, Don Rochard took the stand. 38 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: I believe during her testimony they were able to establish 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: one story seven different ways or something along those lines. 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: With Carrie, I don't believe they were able to poke 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: any holes in her. 42 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: In her recollection of what she witnessed. 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: Carrie Morgan, who was Cassie h was Cassie's best friend 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: at the time and not anymore, which also allows us 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: to understand that this isn't somebody that's going to side 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: with her nowadays. 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: It's somebody that was. 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: An old friend has come back and testified to him 49 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: being violent, assaulting her and actually even being violent toward 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: her as well. 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: And then they had David James. 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: Who's a former assistant to Comb's and James was basically 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: starting a little bit to establish for me now this 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: organization of people, because within Cassie, they did show that 55 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: she was an employee, an employee that was there to 56 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: make ten albums, and she continued to get paid for 57 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: those ten albums as an artist. But she made it 58 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: very clear early on that she stopped being an artist 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: and she was a full time a sex worker, and 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: that the sex work became so horrific that she then 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: had to recover and it would eat up her entire week. 62 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: So it became her, as she said, full time job. 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: So that's paying somebody that was doing sex work. Now 64 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: we have another person that works for Ditty that is 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: was there too. I forget exactly how he said it 66 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: operate as the chairman to his company in order to 67 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: make sure that he's able to handle his days. 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: Well, he was an assistant. 69 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 3: He was an assistant basically, but the way in which 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: he worded it was funny to me. But basically he 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: attested that everything was controlled by Ditty. It was his kingdom. 72 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: Everyone had to abide by his rules, and he had 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: conversations with Cassie that established that she felt that she 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: couldn't get out. 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: All right, okay, we're going to get into some weeds here. 76 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 4: Your reaction to what the day was? Was it interesting? 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: Was it theft up? Was it eye opening? Was it 78 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: what would you say characterize the day? Because when Cassie 79 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: was up there every day, we said this was bombshell 80 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: after bombshell after bombshare. 81 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't giving that, it wasn't given cor operating. 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: Was it confusion? 83 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 3: Two people were helping coroborate bits of it. But again, 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: when I hear things like, you know, Cassie felt that 85 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: he controlled everything and that she didn't have a way out, 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: She couldn't get out. Those are all her feelings about 87 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: what she believed at that time. Yet they also established 88 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: over and over again that they told her to get out, 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: and she said she didn't want to. She said everything 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: was okay, So it's I just don't know if we're 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 3: getting close enough to force. I've heard from inside the 92 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: courtroom that Don was very inconsistent and not credible unfortunately. 93 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about Don first. 94 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: Let's establish for our listeners what your relationship was and 95 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: is with Don Richard. We know she was a former 96 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: bandmate of yours, but who was Dawn to. 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: You as in her character? 98 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: Just your relationship the two of you. 99 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: Don was my bandmate, and she's an incredibly talented woman. 100 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: And friends. 101 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: I thought we were. 102 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you have to remember I was the 103 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: only child, and I'm the I was the youngest one 104 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: in the group when everyone wasn't lying about their ages. 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: So with that being said, I thought everybody in the 106 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: group were my real sisters. I thought we were going 107 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: to have each other's back till the end of time. 108 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: That's not what has occurred. I am close with every 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: girl in my group except for Don. 110 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 4: Okay, you had good times. Is it fair to say 111 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: you all were close at one point and had good 112 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: times that you thought were genuinely good times at the time. 113 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: There were moments that I had with Don that I 114 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: felt were genuine. I learned otherwise that they weren't okay. 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: So why if all your bandmates you're cool with what 116 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 4: happened that you that broke down the relationship with don. 117 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: Oh God, a multitude of things, consistent patterns of inconsistency, 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: consistent patterns of truly just not understanding who was standing 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 3: in front of me. My other bandmate and I went 120 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: on tour with her long after Dirty Money, which is 121 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: how I knew a lot about what occurred during Dirty 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: Money because she would openly discuss things that she saw 123 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: happening to Cassie Wow. Never told us anything happened to 124 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 3: her and then, and we were given a lot of detail. 125 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: But my bandmate and I would always kind of come 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: back to each other when she'd walk away and be like, 127 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: there were just so many inconsistencies. We just don't even 128 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: know what happened in front of us. So what you 129 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: saw it was obvious to more people than just me. Okay, 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: what we read or what we heard from what her 131 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: testimony was yesterday, and a lot of people were saying 132 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 3: inconsistent reads. That's exactly the Dawn Richard that you knew, yeah, 133 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: twenty years ago, and I and her the outfit going 134 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: into court that I first saw at the start of 135 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 3: the morning was a bit of a tell for me. 136 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: What I know being the daughter of a lawyer is 137 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: there are so many hands that are put on you 138 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: in regards to just visuals in a courtroom. We discussed 139 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: having your children in there. We discussed gray hair, a 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: pregnant belly. All these things are affecting the jury. So 141 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: was a three piece suit with diamonds on a caller? 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: It's certainly a choice. And then when you got into 143 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: her testimony, it seems like she was inconsistent and not 144 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: credible as what's being reported. 145 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: So when we heard Dawn testify and the access she 146 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: says she had to Ditty and to Cassie and what 147 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: she saw and what she witnessed that was different than 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: the access that you and your other bandmates had. Did 149 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: she have a different relationship with Ditty and with Cassie 150 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: than you all did? 151 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: She did not suggest that she ever did when asked 152 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: long after Dirty Money. 153 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: But you all at the time had no idea she 154 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: was sexually involved whatsoever with Diddy. 155 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I saw many things that were showing me 156 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: that a complete opposite narrative. So when I saw it, 157 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: I was shocked, and then when I started to speak 158 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: to my other colleagues from making the band, I began 159 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: to learn who my bandmate was. 160 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: Would she be qualified? She has a lawsuit. I think 161 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 4: she's alleging sexual battery. I think is what she's saying 162 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: against Diddy's assault. 163 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: But the assault that she alleges in her lawsuit is 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: that during a fitting he touched her inappropriately in areas 165 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: and all the other things that she alleges in her 166 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: lawsuit or things that happened on making the band. We 167 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: had to stay up for days at a time, we 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: weren't we weren't eating, we weren't we were we were 169 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 3: losing weight. I mean, all of those things were kind 170 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: of like televised to the world. We weren't included or 171 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 3: ever aware that there was going to be a lawsuit 172 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: over those type of allegations. I mean, we're even being 173 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: sued in her lawsuit. Our corporation that she is a 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: part of November fifteen she has named in her lawsuit, 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: and that doesn't even exist anymore. The corporation was shut 176 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: down long ago. So I don't know if it's laziness 177 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: on the lawyer's behalf or what but it's certainly a choice. 178 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: But do you sit here, and this is kind of difficulty. 179 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: She feels something happened to her and she should be believed. 180 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: But as you sit here, do you characterize Dawn Richard 181 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 4: as a victim of Ditties? 182 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: You know, I'm very sensitive about people being victims, and 183 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 3: just because I personally have experienced her to be and 184 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: I honestly don't know who she is, and I spent 185 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: a lot of time around her, I have to, as 186 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 3: a human assume that if she's saying she's victim, I 187 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: need to give her the benefit of the doubt that 188 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: and hear what she has to say about being a 189 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: victim came. 190 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: Out yesterday in test testimony. She actually reached out to Ditty, 191 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: what four plus years ago, still trying to work with him. 192 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. When she filed her lawsuit, 193 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: the sons of Ditty took to the Internet and posted 194 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: a bunch of like Diddy had time to respond to 195 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 3: Don's claims, he didn't necessarily respond to all the civil 196 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: suits there were many. His response to her was very 197 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: strong and the sons and the sons also took to 198 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: their social media to respond about her. They hadn't done 199 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: that with all the civil cases filed prior. And what 200 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: they did within these posts is a slide of all 201 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: the text messages of her begging to come back and 202 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: be part of the making the band reboot, that they 203 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: were great, she wants her family back. There were all 204 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: these things, And what I noticed within those text messages 205 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: and when I put all of the pieces together, is 206 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: we were on tour with her when she was begging 207 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 3: to go back and filmed that. She never told us 208 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: when she went and did that. She never told us 209 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: she was going to do that. Shannon and I were 210 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 3: just doing a show alone and she just was off 211 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: filming the reboot, and we didn't know until we fans 212 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: had written us and put it on the internet, like 213 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: why aren't you guys there? And other than that, we 214 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: were sleeping and eating in the same place and in 215 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: the same ban and back in the same hotel and 216 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: back on stage with each other every single day. We 217 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: had no idea. And then like when it dropped in 218 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: the media, she just like was like, oh, yeah, I'm 219 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: bringing opportunities to us, which is very much her style. 220 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: And I hate that. 221 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: That's the second witness in because Cassie was so bombshell 222 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 3: every day, and she did present herself in a very 223 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: fair way in regards to the day she participated in 224 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: the days she didn't. She established a force, she established coercion, 225 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 3: she established. 226 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, the good and the bad. 227 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: It seems like don didn't do such a good job 228 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: of having a strong, a consistent memory of what she 229 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: feels she witnessed. 230 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: In terms of those inconsistencies that the defense team pointed 231 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: out in cross examination. One of the more bombshell allegations 232 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: she had made, I believe in her civil lawsuit was 233 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: that other celebrities and she named them, were talking usher 234 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: neo name. A few actually personally were there and witnessed 235 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: Sean Detecombe's punching Cass even to her in the stomach, 236 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: I believe, at a restaurant. 237 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: And then did you see what happened on the stand. 238 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 3: She couldn't recall if they saw it. It's another inconsistency 239 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: that they were able to point out very quickly. And 240 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: also I think adding all of those names to a lawsuit, 241 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: in my opinion, if I'm an attorney, I don't need 242 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: to give the public a tell all book. I didn't 243 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: even love all the details about Cassie. That's great to 244 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: help Cassie's case, but what in here is helping your case? 245 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: So for me, when I see tell All books happening 246 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: in lawsuits, it makes me question what I'm looking at. 247 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: And I saw a lot of tell All booking going 248 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: on in that specific case. And in regards to the 249 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: naming those people, yes, I did see them around. But 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: because she says they all saw something, and now she 251 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: says she doesn't know if they saw something, that's problematic, 252 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: and bringing their names in is very problematic because if 253 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 3: they didn't see it and they aren't doing things like that, 254 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 3: putting their name in the middle of this storm is 255 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: very destructive for careers, for families. I mean, I know 256 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: Neo is very open in life about you know, his 257 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: behind the door, his polyamorous relationships. He's got pretty Baby, 258 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: he's got twin Flame, he's got Phoenix Feather and sexy 259 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 3: Little something. 260 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Do you think he learned perhaps that it's better to 261 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: go ahead and be transparent with your choices versus. 262 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: I mean maybe, I yes, I think come, if you're 263 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: poly amorous and everybody's consenting, I think the first thing 264 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: and you're a celebrity, the first thing you should probably 265 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: do is run and tell somebody in the media, because 266 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: you don't want it to be told any other way. 267 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 4: No, this is a good point you make. If Neo 268 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: and Usher were around, if they didn't see a thing. 269 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: The storyline now based on her testimony, which everybody's pointing 270 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: out was inconsistent. She just put these guys' names out 271 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 4: there as two people who saw a woman abuse and 272 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: did nothing. 273 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, I know all of this street. 274 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: I am familiar with all kinds of things that I 275 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: that have even been confirmed by sources there. But I 276 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: wasn't there, and I would be absolutely reckless to come 277 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: up here and sit with you guys and list off 278 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: all the things that I've heard about any of these people. 279 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: Unless you actually understand what you're saying and you're consistent 280 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: with it. It's not for public consumption because you can 281 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: damage people's lives. 282 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: I have a question for you, Aubrey, because had you 283 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: seen something like that, had you seen did he punch Cassie, 284 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: would you have felt comfortable speaking up, going to authorities 285 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: doing something about it. 286 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. The environment when Dawn punched me in the back 287 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: of the head, I called nine to one one, that's 288 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: what you do when you're in your workplace and you're 289 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: assaulted by your work colleague. There was nothing that is 290 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: deserved of in any work environment. And I didn't even 291 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: realize that because everything is so personal. But because I 292 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: called my mom, who's a lawyer, right afterward, I said, Mom, 293 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: she told me, you know, don't you need to make 294 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: a record of this, And so you need to have 295 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: somebody come there now and take a record of exactly 296 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: what happens. But don't don't press any charges. Obviously, don't 297 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: take anything into a place that could be hurtful toward people. 298 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: This can be a private matter. And then she also 299 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: said I was like, but everyone's telling me to suck 300 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: it up and that's just how things go. And I 301 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: was saying, like, you know, I'm being looked at, like 302 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: I'm being like a Karen you know, we didn't have 303 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: that word back then, but like a whiny white woman. 304 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: And my mom was like, Aubrey, this isn't about color, 305 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: This isn't about emotion. This is about you are in 306 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: a workplace. You can't normalize someone punching you because you 307 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: don't agree on something. What is she going to do 308 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: the next time you don't agree. She's already sees that 309 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: she can punch you. What is she going to do next? 310 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: You can't normalize that behavior in a workplace. I'm like, well, 311 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: I'm not in a workplace, mom, I'm in the studio 312 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: making music. This is my life. And she's like, that's 313 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: your work, that's your job. You don't normalize being attacked 314 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: at your job. If that happened in any other workplace, 315 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: that would not be okay. 316 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: Why does she hit you in the head? 317 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: You know this. 318 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: I know it sounds ridiculous, but it sounds like a 319 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: story that we need to hear. 320 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: We were all coming back and reuniting for I believe 321 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: it was the first time since Dannity Kane had been 322 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: destroyed in front of the world by puff On making 323 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: the band. When we came back, we all made each 324 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: other a promise that we would focus on this as 325 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: I had just released a solo project. 326 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to release music videos, etc. 327 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: But we all said, if I go and do that 328 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: and other people go and do their thing, we're not 329 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: showing the community that we're connected. And that was what 330 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: was kind of pinned on us, like we couldn't get 331 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: it together at the end of making the band, so 332 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: we wanted. 333 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: To show solidarity. We all agreed on that. 334 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, through a series of events, we found out that 335 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: Don was shooting her own solo videos and doing her 336 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: own solo things while we had just worked so hard 337 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: on a group thing, which was frustrating for me on 338 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: multiple levels. I had my own project that I sacrificed. 339 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: I had people living under my house, on my water, 340 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: my gas. I was the one driving her and others 341 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: around because they don't have cars and everybody needed to 342 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 3: save money. I was the storage for all of the 343 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: merch etc. A lot of time and investment went into 344 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: these projects, and for me, my bandmate was concerned. When 345 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: we found out the whole series of lies and inconsistencies 346 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: were once again occurring with this girl. We went in 347 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: a studio and sat down to discuss it, and she 348 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 3: was getting more and more angry. We started to see 349 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: a side of her we had never seen. When she 350 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: made a comment like, y'all better, you know, watch yourselves, this, that. 351 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: And the other. I'm not the one. And I turned around. 352 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: She was behind me, and I said, respectfully, Don, I'm 353 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: not the one either, And then I went back forward 354 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: and said like, listen, we need to be able to 355 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: establish some type of work, and we were talking with 356 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: our producing partners, so there was no lead, right, so 357 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 3: no one could really get control of the situation. We 358 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: all had to work through it. So before I knew it, 359 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 3: she punched me. I flew into the headboard. I ran outside. 360 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 3: My bandmate witnessed her screaming up and down the halls, 361 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: puffing her chest up. 362 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: Aside of her. 363 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 3: We had never known, and it was shocking. I think 364 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: she almost looked shocked to me that she let it 365 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: out because we had never She was so soft spoken, 366 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: she was innocent, She would didn't talk dirty sexually, She 367 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 3: didn't even seem to have experiences like she just was 368 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: a whole different person. 369 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: That she taught us who she was. It was a 370 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: whole different person the first time around. 371 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 3: So you know, now looking at all of this and 372 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: understanding things that I know that occurred with her according 373 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 3: to people that were there and witnessed it, again, we 374 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: have to see what what she can prove and what 375 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, where the consistencies are in her story. But 376 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: maybe she learned some of that behavior during her time 377 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: in Dirty Money. 378 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 379 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: I was just going to ask that, do you think 380 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: it perhaps she could have changed based on the environment. 381 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: That she was. 382 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 3: Probably there was a lot of bitches and hoes. Did 383 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 3: he loved using those words? There was your mama's a hoe, 384 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: I mean, does not know my mother? Like, there was 385 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: a lot of you your hoe, bitch, this, that and 386 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: the other, back and forth. And I was outside, like 387 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: getting counsel, and so I made sure that we took 388 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 3: a record of what occurred that day with authorities, and 389 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: then we didn't return and allow anybody to talk us 390 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: into it. She went later on, went and said it's 391 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: because of vocals, and we wanted our vocals over hers, 392 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 3: and you know, basically implied as she had told us before, 393 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 3: she's a real singer and me and Shannon weren't. 394 00:19:53,160 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: Basically, is there any part of you that goes damn? 395 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: We went through so much publicly together. It's a shame 396 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 4: that she and I aren't friends, that we aren't talking. 397 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: Is this is just not possible that you all could 398 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: anxile in any way. 399 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: I mean I reconciled with her. 400 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: I'm the one that reached out to her after she 401 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: did that, and I reconciled the situation, and she wasn't 402 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: offering up a whole lot of apologies, but I was 403 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 3: trying to read in between the lines and give her 404 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: a heart that I'm not certain she even has. 405 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: But but when. 406 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: You ask that specific question, yes, I wrote her after 407 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: I got after I received a naffa David that I 408 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: can't talk about that we've discussed that I'm very concerned over. 409 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: I called her or texted her, and then her assistant 410 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: called right back said her dad was in the hospital. 411 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: He also ended the call saying when she gets off 412 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: her flight, I'll let you know. But in this specific regard, 413 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: I wrote her and I said, I told the sorry. 414 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: I told the assistant, listen, something scary is happening. This 415 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: is way bigger than any like Danny Kanereen. And I'm 416 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: not calling to get the band back together. I'm not 417 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: calling for business opportunities, which is probably why I didn't 418 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: get a call back. I said, I'm calling because something 419 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: scary is happening, and people are telling me I can't 420 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 3: trust On and that she was doing things with Diddy 421 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: and that she's working with them or whatever I was hearing, 422 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: and I said, I need to know and believe that 423 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: when it comes down to scary things, that we were 424 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: all sisters and that we would all protect each other. 425 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: And if I'm right, she will call me back. And 426 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, then I won't hear from her, and. 427 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: So be it. I'll make peace with it. And I 428 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: never heard from her. 429 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 3: I don't know when she dropped her lawsuit, but it 430 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 3: was like maybe a few weeks prior to that. 431 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 4: Within the past year and a half or so, two years. 432 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: I'd have to look when she dropped her life. It 433 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: was in recent times. 434 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, but before that, the last conversation you had with 435 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 4: her was how many. 436 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: Years ago we stopped her and I did a side 437 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: project together after we went on tour, like even after 438 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 3: she hit me, we had a whole other three other 439 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: tours after that. 440 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: When we reconvene, I mean. 441 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 3: I forgave a lot. I forgave a lot too much. 442 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 3: My back is broken for how much I bent and 443 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: protected it because and even I feel uncomfortable a bit 444 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: be it. But I trust you guys, and I trust 445 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: this process. But I feel uncomfortable a bit even saying this, 446 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: because what it does is it's dismantling our legacy, what 447 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 3: Diddy has now. Yeah, and and and also like what 448 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: everything that Diddy has done and is now being now 449 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 3: the world is seeing, is dismantling our legacy. All of 450 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 3: it is a dismantling of a legacy that I'm so 451 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: proud of that it makes me physically sick. It's why 452 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 3: a few of my band members don't want to go 453 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 3: near any of this because they are sick that we 454 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: are dismantling a legacy. But if the legacy is going 455 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: to be dismantled, I do feel that they we need 456 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: to have a bit more of a consistent player from 457 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: my group speaking. 458 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: I know it's interesting and that is lost in all 459 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: of this because yes, we're focused on the you know, 460 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: the alleged abuse and the alleged crimes, but there were 461 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: real people who obviously were hurt. But then there were 462 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: real careers that were ended. And then when you reflect 463 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: back at all the time and all the work and 464 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: all the emotion and all the sacrifices you made are 465 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: now just all child. 466 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: At the very beginning of my career. 467 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 3: So that's how you learn your and in a very 468 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: informative age, the very crucial age where you understand who 469 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: you are is when all this happened. It completely changes 470 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: your life. You're not the same. I've been crawling up 471 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: from under it for twenty years. I don't even know 472 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: who I am half the time. I just know that 473 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: when I'm gonna, I could wake up to any headline 474 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: at any time, at any day, and everyone could have 475 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: turned on me. It's happened about seventy million times so far. 476 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: Knowing that what I've learned to keep consistent is my 477 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: integrity and the way that I advocate for things. 478 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: Those are the two things that guide me in my life. 479 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: Everything else, the way I look, whether I dress crazy 480 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: or not, whether I'm fatter or skinnier, whether my lips 481 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: are injected or not, All of that is in how 482 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: much it's criticized as neither here nor there. For me, 483 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 3: as long as my credibility and my consistency, my integrity 484 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 3: is aligned with what I know to be true. And 485 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: that's why I'm always leaving room for down and puff 486 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: to potentially, for potentially there to be more to the story, 487 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: or for there to be something good there. 488 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 4: To hear you say, you've been crawling out from under 489 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 4: it for twenty years, Like I said, and I said 490 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 4: at the top here, you have been someone who has 491 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 4: helped us get some first, get some perspective, and helped 492 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: us report on some perspective that we just wouldn't have 493 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 4: if we didn't have you here to talk about this. 494 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: We talk about down here. I want to move to 495 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 4: the best friend Carrie Morgan different. She was the best 496 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 4: friend of Cassie up in tour for years. Their relationship 497 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 4: ended after Diddy assaulted her, allegedly according to Carrie, Compare 498 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 4: to Dawn's testimony, how did carry come home? 499 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 3: The cross examination wasn't able to really discredit any of 500 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: her testimony that I read. She established that Combs was 501 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: not intoxicated or high when he got physically violent with 502 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 3: Ventura on two occasions, and when he sent her money 503 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 3: and she signed an NDA. So that's establishing an organization 504 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: that silences people. That's establishing knowledge of silencing people. That's 505 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: establishing violence, that's establishing no drugs, because it's likely that 506 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: his team is going to be very, very hell bent 507 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 3: on establishing this is a man that was a drug addict. 508 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: He had to go to rehabit got so bad. 509 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 3: Did he did his whole speech likely on purpose at 510 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: some BET Awards honor that he got where he said 511 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: thanks these four people for holding me down during the 512 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: dark times. Cassie was the last name mentioned, and it's 513 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: a very palpable speech if you go back and watch 514 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: it now, knowing all that we know, and you really 515 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: should pay attention to all the names he said, because 516 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 3: mm mmmmmm. 517 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: What were the names? You're gonna make me go back 518 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 4: and watch what was the name? 519 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: TD Jakes? 520 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 3: And then Cassie Ventura for holding him down during the 521 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: dark days, and Lori Anne for keeping him free and 522 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 3: TD Jakes. I don't remember what he said about that, ma'am. 523 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: How important is the establishing continuing to establish? She told 524 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: several stories about witnessing violence by Diddy against Cassie. She said, 525 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 4: I don't want to be here. I had no desire 526 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 4: to be here. I'm here because I was subpoena, but 527 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 4: I want this out of my life. 528 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: I had moved on and she's not even friends with Cassie. 529 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: She the moment she got that thirty that what was it? 530 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: How much did she get thirty grand for being assaulted 531 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: by Ditty? 532 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, she cut off all communications with Cassie Ventura, and 533 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: to me, that also lent a lot of credibility to 534 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: where she was and what she wanted afterwards, which was 535 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: nothing from them. 536 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. 537 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: Very very strong witness, very strong witness to establish one. 538 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: I think she established a little bit of kind of 539 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: how my experiences. 540 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: Is not in not in with the details. 541 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: But you can get away from it if you want to. 542 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: I didn't go. I didn't stay. 543 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: Going back to your relationship with down and the fact 544 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: that when she did hit you, you did call police. 545 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: That to me would separate you from a lot of 546 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: other folks within the circle that they know whoa If 547 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: Aubrey is around, or if anything happens to Aubrey, she 548 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: is going to notify authorities. 549 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you want to know how many people 550 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: want to work with you after knowing that you know 551 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: how many criminals there are in the music industry. 552 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Nobody wants a tattle. 553 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: It might have hurt you career wise, but it protected 554 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 2: you in a lot of other ways. 555 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: I just needed to have it be documented. 556 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 2: Well, Aubrey. We appreciate all the inside information. This truly 557 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: helps all of us watch this trial and pay attention 558 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: to this trial in a different way. So you have 559 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: and incredible and we have much more with Aubrey O Day. 560 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. 561 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: There is so much more to come, so keep checking 562 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: out the podcast. 563 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: We appreciate it.