1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets Podcast powered 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: by Amazon Web Services, the Opponent Preview series taking a 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: stop in the a f C East against the New 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: England Patriots, and E. A and I caught up with 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Ben Boland, the senior writer of the Boston Globe, to 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: discuss the New England Patriots in the post Tom Brady era. 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: And really that's a great place to start, because this 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: team is an enigma right now. What are they gonna 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: look like without number twelve at the helm? Well, they 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: still have that head coach who often wears the hood 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick, and he has led the Patriots to 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: six Super Bowl titles, albeit none of those titles with 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: the Patriots have been without Tom Brady. So offensively, it 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: looks as of right now it's gonna be Jared Stidham, 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: but Brian Hoyer is there as well, And I know 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: one of Lawyer's former teammates, Rob Nikovic, actually thinks that 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: Lawyer will ultimately win that job. But offensively, it sure 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: seems like they're gonna try to rout in the football 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: with Sony Michelle and James White get the ball to 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: White out of the bakfield and Julian Julian Edelman is 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: still there is their primary turret. But defensively, Greens, nothing 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: changes because this defense is elite and it should keep 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: the Patriots in a lot of games. And in a 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: wide open a FC East, do not discount the team 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: that has won the past eleven division championships. Yeah, I 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: think that's a great point, and that defense probably goes 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: overlooked just because of the magnitude of the storyline with 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady leaving. But that defense was debatably the best 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: in the NFL last season, and they didn't really lose 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: a lot of their players. Steffond Gilmore still there that secondary, 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: which is one of the best in the league. They're 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: largely intact here entering two thousand twenties. So I think 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: this will be an interesting matchup, and really, you know, 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: the Jets won't have a chance to dethrone the Patriots 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. But to your point, and we've discussed 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: this before, the a f C East is wide open, 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: and Chris Brown of the Buffalo Bill said this to us, 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: with the Bills going from the hunter to the hunted, Well, 39 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots were so frequently or not frequently, they were 40 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: the hunted for the past two decades and now it 41 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: just feels like a lot of a lot of questions 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: right now surrounding the New England Patriots. But I'm very 43 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: curious to see what this team looks like. And you 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: mentioned the offensive weapons. Seems like it's gonna be a 45 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: ground and pound to use a Rex Ryan term type 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: of team. To your point, yeah, they're definitely gonna rely 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: on the running game. They have their offensive line intact. 48 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: I think Dante scar Nakia retiring is big hit. He's 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: a legendary assistant coach in the National Football League. I 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you can find anybody who coach offensive 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: alignment better than him. It's interesting where these games fall 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: on the schedule. The back half of the schedule. The 53 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: Jets play the Chiefs in Week eight at Arrowhead, then 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: come home in week nine, have an extra day to prepare, 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: have the Patriots for a Monday night affair before ending 56 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: the season two thousand twenty, actually two thousand one is 57 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: January three at Gillette Stadium. That's the return matchup. So 58 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: again the Jets will finish their season series against the 59 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills prior to playing in another Division game. So 60 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots pop up on their schedule to start the 61 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: second half and to end their regular season campaign. Yeah, 62 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: the Jets lay four division games in five four o 63 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: their five games from week seven to week twelve our 64 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: Division games with a week eleven by And you mentioned 65 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: the Chiefs game in week eight. Well before that, it's 66 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, and that's the second of two matchups 67 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: against the Bills. Then you go away at the Chiefs 68 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: home against the Patriots on Monday Night Football, and then 69 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: at the Dolphins by home against the Dolphins. And we'll 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: get to that on the next episode of the podcast. 71 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: But that first game in week nine e A. I 72 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: know this is at the time in which this game 73 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: is going to be played. The ghosts storyline will probably 74 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: get picked back up again because it's Monday Night Football 75 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: against the Patriots in the middle of the season. But 76 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: I think that game might have some some a little 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: extra juice because of that storyline. And I don't think 78 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: that Sam Donald was justly criticized after that game, considering 79 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: seeing ghosts is a football term, and I just feel 80 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: like that game is gonna hold a lot of weight. 81 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: Even because Tom Brady is not there, doesn't mean that 82 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: you're still not going up against Bill Belichick and a 83 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: very difficult New England Patriots team. Yeah, especially defensively, and 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna bring it, and they'll be well prepared and 85 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: they don't beat themselves no better who's playing quarterback? I 86 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: would actually, if I had my druthers, I would love 87 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: to see the Patriots early on this schedule, because, yes, 88 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: the Jets have a lot of personnel changes, but that's 89 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: a seismic shift taking Tom Brady TV twelve out of 90 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: New England. And since everybody has been battling the COVID 91 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic, none of these teams have been on the 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: field throughout the spring. So if Jared Stidham is indeed 93 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: the signal caller, he will not have the benefit of 94 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: having a full spring practice underneath him, and they'll just 95 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: have a few weeks of training camp before starting early 96 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: in the season. So we'll have to see what the 97 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Patriots offense looks like in Week nine. Um, but I 98 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: think they're going to undergo a major transition early this season. 99 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well, without further ado, let's hear from Ben 100 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: Voland of the Boston Globe to learn about what this 101 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: Patriots team is gonna look like Without Tom Brady and 102 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: I'm sorry in advance. I'm sure you've been asked us 103 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: a thousand times. Is Jared said, H'm really going to 104 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: be the guy under center at the start of the 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: regular season. I mean, it certainly appears that way. He 106 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: already beat out Brian Hoyer once, uh for a roster spot. 107 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: That was last year Stidham was the backup Brian Hoyer. 108 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: The Patriots ended up releasing and he went to Indianapolis 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: layers back. Now when it's down to those two. Uh 110 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: so it appears on paper like it's time to give 111 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: jared'stid him a chance to see what he can do. 112 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: You know that said, Uh, there's an interesting comment from 113 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: former Patriot Rob Nikovich who's now with ESPN. He said 114 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: he predicts Hoyer to start the season just because he 115 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: thinks Hoyer has more experience in the system and has 116 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: more experience in general, and that, um, you know, the 117 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Patriots aren't just going to spend games just you know, 118 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: base them around developing and evaluating Jared Sidham. That they're 119 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: still going to try to win, and that early in 120 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: the season, given all the strangeness going on with the pandemic, 121 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: that perhaps Hoyer gives them a better chance to win 122 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: early in the season, So that would be very interesting 123 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be too surprising to me. I mean 124 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: on paper, uh, you know, to just hand the job 125 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: to Jared Stidham seems a little strange to me. He 126 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: might have a lot of talent, and I do think 127 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 1: the coaches think a lot of him, but he's still 128 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: a fourth round pick who just spent his rookie year throwing. 129 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: He threw four passes all season, played fifteen snaps. You know, 130 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots think they know what they have in him, 131 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: but it would be strange for them to just hand 132 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the job to stid him. So I do think it 133 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: will be an open competition between a Hoyer and you know, 134 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: if Sidham's the best player of the two, then absolutely 135 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: they should play him and they should see what he 136 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: can do. But it wouldn't shock me. A Hoyer early 137 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: in the season does start the season for the Patriots 138 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: as the start a quarterback. What's your personal view of 139 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: covering the Patriots now without Tom Brady? And can we 140 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: all say right now that the dynasty is over as 141 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: far as what the Patriots were and they are entering 142 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: a new era. Well, it certainly appears that way. Uh, 143 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say that because the 144 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: dynasty really did have a lot to do with Tom 145 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: Brady and he's elsewhere now. But look, Bill Belichick is is, 146 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: I think, rebuilding the offense right now. But they're not 147 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: tanking by any stretch, and they're still going to be competitive. 148 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,239 Speaker 1: But you know, this is the challenge now, can Belichick 149 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: build the Patriots into a consistent winner again? Can he 150 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: win without Brady? Um? Can you know it's probably not 151 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: gonna happen overnight. I think there might be some some roughs, 152 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: especially you know, with this season, especially going in with 153 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: just jared' stidim and Brian Hoyer. It does on paper 154 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: it's a very risky strategy, but again, it will prove 155 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: Belichick's coaching shops if he can still coach the Patriots 156 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: to a good season with an unproven youngster like Jared 157 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: sedem or even a guy like Brian Hoyer. And even 158 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: though there's not a whole lot of experience there, they 159 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: still have, um, you know, Julian Edelman is back. They 160 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: still have I think all five starters on the offensive 161 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: line should be back, a very good running back room. 162 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: They doubled up a tight end this year. We'll see 163 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: what what they can develop at that position now and 164 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: then the defense should still be very good. With Stephan Gilmore, 165 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, UH Devil Records 166 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: back Patrick Chong is back, their secondary might be one 167 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: of the best in the NFL still, even after trading 168 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: to Ron harmon Um. So you know, it's it's gonna 169 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: be very different now without Tom Brady. And there's no question. 170 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the days of just penciling them in for 171 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: twelve and four and the a f C Championship game 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: I think are tring to be done for a little bit. 173 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: But I would not count out the Patriots by any stretch. 174 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: And I think the a f C East is kind 175 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: of wide open, and that means I think it's as 176 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: much wide open for the Patriots to take as it 177 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: is for the Bills, Dolphins, or even the Jets. So 178 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: with that being said, Ben, what do you make of 179 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: the Monday night football matchup of the Jets and the Patriots? 180 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Kind of a sour taste in the mouths of Jets 181 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: fans from last season. The networks must love the Patriots 182 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: at Jets Monday Night or whatever, but I like it too. 183 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: I can just take the train down on on the 184 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Monday and just make a day. Um. Yeah, I mean 185 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: the a f C. East is gonna be fascinating this year, 186 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Like it could be one of those years where you 187 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: have four teams that finished eight and eight. Um. You know, 188 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: the Bills obviously, I think are the presumptive favorites, uh 189 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: bringing back everyone and then the Patriots losing Brady. You 190 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: think the Bills at ten and six last year, but 191 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: I do wonder you know, to me, there's still major 192 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: questions about Josh Allen and is ten and six kind 193 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: of their their ceiling? And you know the Jets have 194 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: uh what finished the season on a six and one run. 195 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: So certainly a lot of optimism for the Jets heading 196 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: into a you know, a year of consistency on the 197 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: coaching staff and with Sam Doral. I think that'll be 198 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: key for them. And the Patriots are a giant wild card. 199 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: Will we'll see what they are and and the Dolphins 200 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: to me, might have the most boom er bus potential. 201 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: I really like what the Dolphins are doing, and it's 202 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: all about you know, Fitzpatrick either playing at a high 203 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: level or two A stepping in and playing well. So 204 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 1: to me and the whole an f C East is 205 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: fascinating that Monday night game Jets Patriots. You know, in 206 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: my return to those days of hold where it's like 207 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: a lot of thirteen to ten games and you know 208 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Patriots football is with Stinham. Now it's gonna be like 209 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: early two thousands with Brady, play action, dump off in 210 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: the flat, check down over the middle, uh, you know, 211 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: check down to Edelman across the middle of something like that. 212 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be ground and pound, don't make mistakes 213 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of football from Patriots until they can figure out 214 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: what exactly they have a quarterback. Well, everybody's talking about 215 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: the loss of Tom Brady, and rightfully so, but I 216 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: think one of the most impressive position coaches in NFL 217 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: history is saying he's retired right now. That's Dante Scarnakia. 218 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: How critical of a loss will that be? Weird to say? 219 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: He's been with the organization for so long, But this 220 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: isn't even his first retirement. He Dante actually stepped away 221 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: from the team in and they hired Dave da google Elmo, 222 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: who's been I feel like on every a f C 223 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: eas team about each Um, he was. And and the 224 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: year they beat the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, their 225 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: first Super Bowl in ten years. Um, that was Google 226 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: Elmo at offensive line coach. So look, Dante's phenomenal and 227 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: he was there forever and that guy knew how to 228 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: develop players and Patriots never really had to high truly 229 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: high picks an offensive lineman because Dante was such a 230 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: good coach. Um. You know that said, it's a veteran 231 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: group that should all be returning. They put the franchise 232 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: tag on left guard Joe Toney, which I was a 233 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: little surprised with it. Almost fifteen million dollars seems a 234 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: little high for a guard, considering they're also paying Shack 235 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: Mason the right guard. M David Andrews should be coming back. 236 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: He missed all of last season after developing lunk uh 237 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: blood clots in his lungs right at the end of 238 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: training camp. That was a huge loss to lose your 239 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: starting center right on the eve of camp and there's 240 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: not really a great replacement. And Ted Carris the backup. 241 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: He stepped in and you know, played admirably well and 242 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: was able to get a free agent offer out of 243 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Out of it. So you know, Cara stepped 244 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: in and did some good things. But the Patriots getting 245 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: David Andrews back this year UM is huge. And and 246 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: you know Isaiah Win will have another year at left tackle, 247 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: Tuney back at left guard, Shack Mason at right guard, 248 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: and Marcus Cannon presumably another year at right tackle. So 249 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: this is a veteran group at UM I think should 250 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: be able to um withstand the loss of a great 251 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: offensive line coach in Dante's garde. Then what do you 252 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: think about the wide receiver corps here? Obviously you talked 253 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: about Julian Edelman a little bit earlier, but what about 254 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: guys like nikkil Harry and what does the rest of 255 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: that depth chart look like outside of number eleven. I 256 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: was a little surprised they didn't really address wide receiver 257 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: in the draft. They signed some undrafted free agents afterwards, 258 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: but um, the top three is really what they're bringing 259 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: back from last year, and I think they're just it's 260 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman the number one guy, and I still think 261 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: even though he's gonna be thirty three, maybe thirty four 262 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: years old this year and it's obviously taking a lot 263 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: of hits, he's coming off a hundred catch, you know, 264 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: a thousand yards season and was really the only dependable 265 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: receiver last year. And I think you're counting on him 266 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: to be a leader in the locker room now that 267 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: Brady has gone, and to still be a very productive 268 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: receiver for Jared Stanhelm. Soh Edelman is still number one, 269 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: and I think they expect Mohammed Sanu to come back 270 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: and have a much more productive season, you know, coming 271 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: in midstream. He was actually producing okay the first couple 272 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: of games, but he sprained his ankle early on and 273 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: really had a tough time fitting in after that, and 274 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: the spring ank will really slowed him down. So now 275 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: that that's healthy, so new as you're you know, physical 276 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: possession receiver, works in the middle of the field, and 277 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: nikkill Harry last year, last year's first round pick. I 278 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: think there's no question the Patriots are expecting a big 279 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: jump for him in his second season. His rookie season 280 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: was very disappointing. Uh spent the first eight weeks in 281 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: I R and then just had a very difficult time 282 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: playing catch up after that. But his physical talent is obvious. 283 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: He's six three and two pounds and just a physical 284 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: specimen and they still found ways to get the ball 285 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: in his hands and he's a you know, a dangerous 286 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: guy with the ball yards after the catch, you know, 287 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: end arounds. And now that he's had a full season, 288 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: full offseason again, it's tough with the pandemic, but he 289 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: still had some code ching. Andy is familiar with the 290 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: concepts of the playbook and everything. I think him coming 291 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: back healthy this year. They're expecting a big jump from 292 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: Mikil Harry and then you know, Jacoby Myers was a 293 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: rookie last year. We'll see if he can stick as 294 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: the number four guy. And after that, it's kind of 295 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: up for grabs with some free agents. Demir Bird from 296 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: Carolina as a speed sir that they signed, um I 297 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: want to say, they signed uh Nelson No, Marquise Lee, 298 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: Marquis Lee from the Jacksonville Jaguars. They brought in on 299 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: a minimum contract, some undrafted free agents. But they're really 300 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: expecting the top three of Edelman, senew and to Kill 301 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: Harry to carry them this year. I like the draft 302 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: pick of Kyle Dugger. What do you think he can 303 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: add to that mix? And why is that secondary such 304 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: a unit that works tremendously together they're always so cohesive 305 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: and nobody is in the wrong spot, it seems. Um. Yeah, 306 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: Belichick has his philosophy is to build the defense from 307 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: the back, uh, and then to the front. Like he 308 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: believes that you can generate pass rush with scheme and 309 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: with blitzes and twists and stunts and things like that. 310 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: And I think he's generally right, and he believes in 311 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: a strong secondary, and you know, it's a group that's 312 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: just played together a long time. Devin mccordy a first 313 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: round pick in Patrick Chung a second round pick in 314 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. Jeron Harmon had been here, they just 315 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: traded him to Detroit. Um. Dogger is kind of the 316 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: second round pick from a division to school. Interesting. I'm 317 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: not expecting a ton from him this year because he 318 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: really plays like Patrick Chung's position, and chungs they brought 319 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: him back for another year. Um, but I think that 320 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: was on purpose. Belichick generally believes in, uh, you know, 321 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: kind of bringing his rookies along slowly and giving them 322 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: a time to adjust to the speed of the game 323 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: and get their bodies more physically ready, and especially making 324 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: a jump from Division two to the NFL in this 325 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: year with no offseason and just a very unusual setup. Uh. 326 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: You know, Dogger is going to be a backup to start, 327 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: and he'll be special teams and I'm sure they'll find 328 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: a role for him because he's very athletic and even 329 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: though it's a Division two guy, he was a Senior 330 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Bowl uh invite tee and was definitely drafted, you know, 331 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: viewed as a top kind of prospect. So very athletic, 332 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: hard hitting in the box, type of safety, hybrid linebacker, 333 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: that type of guy. Um, so he'll eventually be an 334 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: important piece for them. They also brought in this guy, 335 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: Induran Phillips from the Chargers, another similar player, a safety 336 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: who kind of plays in the box as a linebacker, 337 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: cover play special teams. They have a lot of these 338 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: guys on defense now, and um they added some more 339 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: speed and youth on defense Josh Bucher, a linebacker from 340 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: Michigan in the second round. Uh, Anthony Jennings, a linebacker 341 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: from Alabama in the third round. Um, they definitely tried 342 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: to get uh younger in in in the defense and 343 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: find kind of the next stars. But uh, you know, 344 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: you asked about their secondary Devin mccordy, Patrick Chung Dugger 345 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: and Adrian Phillips now at safety and then cornerback there 346 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: loaded as well Stefan Gilmore, j C. Jackson and Youngster 347 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: is a great young player. UM. Jason mccorty was brought 348 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: back for another year, Jonathan Jones the slot corner, Juwan 349 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: Williams six ft four, a second round pick from a 350 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: year ago. So they're just they're very deep in the secondary, 351 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: and UM, you know, I don't think that the Patriots 352 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: defense is gonna finish number one in the NFL. Again. 353 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: I think they'll probably maybe come sliding down a little bit, 354 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: but there's still a very excellent and very deep secondary. Ben. 355 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: We've talked about this a little bit, but I just 356 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you point blank, what are you expecting 357 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: from this Patriots team at the end of the two 358 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: thousand twenty season when you kind of looked through the 359 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: rear view mirror. Uh, look, if they can have anything, Um, 360 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: if they can have a winning record, I'll be impressed, 361 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: because again you're going I was ranking the quarterback depth 362 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: charts and they have to have the thirty thirty, first, thirty, 363 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: second you know type ranked depth chart as far has 364 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: just experience and UM, in a Hoyre instead him, who 365 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: knows what this can provide. And the schedule is very 366 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: difficult this year the Patriots of all these trips out west, 367 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: they go to Seattle, Kansas City to two trips to l. A. Houston. Um, 368 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: they get Baltimore and the forty Niners at home. So 369 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: a very difficult schedule. So if Jared's did him can 370 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: guide them to at nine and seven ten in six season, 371 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: even eight and eight I think would be a pretty 372 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: good season. You know, if if we look maybe a 373 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: little closer at some of the circumstances. But um, you know, 374 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: it's it's about developing some pieces on offense. Can they 375 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: find uh you know, as Jared's did on the Guy, 376 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: and and uh not just offense, both sides of the football, 377 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: and they develop some of these younger players to be 378 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: the next cornerstones. Can any young players on offense step 379 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: up the two young tight ends that they draft in 380 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: the third round and those guys be the next wave 381 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: of the Patriots? And all about quarterbacks Jared's did on 382 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: the Guy, are they gonna have to go in the 383 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: draft next year and and be a quarter a team 384 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: that's looking for a quarterback. So this is you know, 385 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: a big transition here for the Patriots, no question, as 386 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: they move into the you know, the post Brady era. Yea. 387 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at a couple of matchups to 388 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: watch here, and obviously all eyes will be focused on 389 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: that Patriots defense because it is the strength of that 390 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: team right now as we record this in June, and 391 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: I assume it will be the strength of this team 392 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 1: when we get to the regular season. But outside of 393 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: Sam Donald going up against this unit, where do you 394 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: go for a key matchup to watch? Always thinking about 395 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman and he is such a great connection with 396 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. But what I'd love for the Jets to 397 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: be able to do is maybe single up on the 398 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: outside your double adom and he tried to take him 399 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: out of the ballgame. I know what easier said than done, 400 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: but you he dictates a lot of coverage towards him, 401 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: and what you want to do with the page it's, 402 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: I think is make them unbalanced. In the past, you 403 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: want to have said that because they could play one 404 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: dimensional football because they had Tom Brady. In fact, there 405 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: were some years where you see the Patriots come out 406 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: thrown forty five times a game and they were fine 407 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: with it. But over the last few years, I think 408 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: that offense I had a metamorphosis where they became more 409 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: of a ground and pound, play action type team. And 410 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: I think that's what is going to continue here in 411 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: the early stages in two thousand and twenty. But I 412 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: think you want to take away at him and and 413 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: if it is a young quarterback with Stidham, you love 414 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: Greg Williams going at a young quarterback because he can 415 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: throw a lot of different things at you. And then 416 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, it's they have 417 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: some balance. Get Levan Bell going because you don't want 418 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: to be in a position, I think against this New 419 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: England team where you gotta play catch up because that 420 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: defense is so discipline, they have so much continuity, they 421 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: have veterans there, uh, they play so well together. I 422 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: think for the Jets it's gonna be imperative for them 423 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: to settle into a ballgame and not not get behind, 424 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: because you don't want to be playing behind in the 425 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: National Football League, but especially against a defense like the Patriots. 426 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: And that was evident last year when the Jets played 427 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: the Patriots on Monday Night Football. The game that you 428 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: and I were talking about earlier this podcast, because Bill 429 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: Belichick will he'll pen his years back and he'll send 430 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: everything at you, and he'll send a lot of all 431 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: out blitz is, which Sam Donald of course saw and 432 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: I anticipate he'll be seeing a decent amount of again 433 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: this year in Week nine against New England Patriots, and 434 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: of course the season finale in Week seventeen. 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