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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesday's innsition, a Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He has Paul the Tina on

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Speaker 1: Lance butt O. Good to be with you for the

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Speaker 1: next sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three is

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Speaker 1: with the two thousand eighteen campaign officially in the books.

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Speaker 1: We spent the last two days recapping Super Bowl fifty three.

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Speaker 1: If you want to delve into that, we'd be more

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Speaker 1: than happy to field your calls. But we also want

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Speaker 1: to start to trend into free agency moves, how that

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Speaker 1: impacts the Giants, how that impacts the division. And a reminder,

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Speaker 1: there actually is some news to get into regarding the

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Speaker 1: NFC East, and that's where we're gonna start, and then

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Speaker 1: we will blossom into a variety of other subjects. But Paul,

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Speaker 1: yesterday news was circulating that the Eagles were going to

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Speaker 1: pick up the option that they have on Nick Foles contract,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think was necessarily a surprise. Now the

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Speaker 1: ball is in Nick Foles's court, and a number of

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Speaker 1: people have already indicated that he let the Eagles know

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Speaker 1: he is going to pay them two million dollars so

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Speaker 1: that he can become a free agent. Nothing official yet,

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Speaker 1: but that is the indication based on the report. So

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Speaker 1: it looks as if Nick Foles is gonna hit the

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Speaker 1: free agent market. However, there's a caveat here. The Eagles

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Speaker 1: will most likely counter that move. See it's a game

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Speaker 1: of chess here by probably placing the franchise tag on

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Speaker 1: him when they're able to do that, and then look

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Speaker 1: to trade him. So that's what it looks like we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to. Nothing is official, the paperwork has

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Speaker 1: had been filed because we'll at ahead of ourselves. But

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like Nick Foles is going to be

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Speaker 1: an outright free agent. Philadelphia is still, in some capacity,

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Speaker 1: is going to control where he ends up, and Paul,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame them. Given his value right now, it

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Speaker 1: would seem to reason that Philadelphia should get something in

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Speaker 1: response for him. Well, it seems to me that the

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Speaker 1: Eagles are doing the prudent thing. I mean, to let

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Speaker 1: him just walk for nothing would not be smart. Let's

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Speaker 1: face it, the guy has proven that he can win

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Speaker 1: clutch games in this league on more than one occasion.

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Speaker 1: All right. It's not just lightning in a bottle and

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Speaker 1: the fluke to straight Sea. He he's done enough that

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Speaker 1: he can command a price. So I'm on board with that.

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Speaker 1: You suggested this quite a while ago, and I certainly

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Speaker 1: are going to go that route. The question that becomes,

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Speaker 1: what do you get for? Uh? It seems to me

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Speaker 1: they would probably be wise to ask for a first

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Speaker 1: and I talked before the show. I think a combination

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Speaker 1: of a two and something else is probably where they're

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Speaker 1: going to land. But there are enough of teams out

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Speaker 1: there desperate for a veteran starter that they'll get a

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Speaker 1: good price for. I'm with you. Better to get something

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Speaker 1: That's why I like the Eagles game plan. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of speculation, Paul. We've also discussed this off the air,

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Speaker 1: that Jacksonville could be a likely trade partner. And I

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Speaker 1: say this all the time the NFL. As you well know, Paul,

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Speaker 1: it's about relationships and connections between coaches and between players. Well,

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Speaker 1: who did Jacksonville just bring in as their offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: d Filippo was the QB coach of Nick Foles. So

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Speaker 1: and saying, Paul, I think Nick Foles as somebody that

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Speaker 1: Who is targeting a quarterback? Yeah, the Jaguars are within

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Speaker 1: Giants under those circumstances. Correct. We we went through the

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Speaker 1: because you could also argue, Paul a team that needs

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers seemed to be committed to Winston. That's what Bruce

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Speaker 1: So does that mean that they're definitely not going to

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's a wrong opinion. Everybody's a title

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Speaker 1: But and I went back and forth with somebody on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Good GM smart gms, they listen to the other people

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Speaker 1: do the research. They're scouting all season long. Now he's

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Speaker 1: looking at tape two. But for him to completely dismiss

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Speaker 1: be unanimous, well, Haskins is the best player available at

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Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield. We had numerous conversations. Well, Mayfield realistically

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Speaker 1: So that's the layout of the land in terms of

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Speaker 1: is that they can uh control him and get something

429
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Speaker 1: from But they're going to get that third round pick

430
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: probably if they just let him go. Anyway, I think

431
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: anybody would be nuts to pay anything for them because

432
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 1: you get him in free agent. That's my opinion, you know.

433
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: But there's another guy we we we could be looking

434
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 1: at that the Eagles are letting go is uh Brandon Graham.

435
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: He came up when jp P. I can't remember if

436
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: we took JPP first or the Eagles took Brandon Graham.

437
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: That's that's how times flyin and he still he became

438
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: a decent pass rusher. I don't know if the Giants

439
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: would have any interest in him or not. So um

440
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: he right now is the top one restricted free agent

441
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 1: on the Eagles list. Some of the other guys would

442
00:21:52,920 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: be take uh Negata holda um. Other than that, yeah,

443
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: also those Sprowls. He's kind of old. They're not gonna

444
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: take But no, no, I mean no, you're right. Graham

445
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: is the premier Eagles free agent right now who would

446
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: be on the market. Yeah, you're referred to two thousand

447
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: fifteen when he was negotiating with the Giants and then

448
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: wound up going with the Philadelphia Eagles. No, no, I'm

449
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: saying in a draft. I'm trying to because fifteen it

450
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: came close as well. Yeah, I don't know did we

451
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 1: take JPP at Eagles take him. I don't recall it

452
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: was real close, but we you know they got him

453
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: before I get cut off here. The only thing I'm

454
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: saying on his Haskin deal, you know, I want Eli

455
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: in there too, but if we really have to look

456
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: at it, if if we like him. The big reason

457
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 1: why for me is that number six, because say next

458
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: year something does happen to Eli and we want to

459
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: get a young quarterback in there, that we'd have to

460
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: jump up there and give one or two, uh first

461
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: round picks. That's the only thing I'm well. But also

462
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: the problem with that conversation is you have no idea

463
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: where the Giants are gonna draft in two thousand twenty.

464
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: I understand, well, I understand your optimist to be a

465
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: decent team. I get that, but you just don't know

466
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: at this point are we going to be good enough

467
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs and everything else, because we

468
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: definitely need a good uh defensive and pass rusher. That's

469
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: Joe put it this way. If they build the team

470
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: the way they want to build it with the draft

471
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: this year, in free agency this year, whoever is the

472
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: quarterback in two thousand twenty, whether it is still Eli

473
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: Manning or whether it's somebody else, they will have a

474
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: much easier time winning games if the team around them

475
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: is built properly. And that's the avenue that Dave Getleman

476
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 1: is going to attack. I agree. The only problem, like

477
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: I said, you just don't know because Eli tomorrow could

478
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: lose uh some of his potency and uh really that's

479
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: what I'm concerned. He can't go on forever. And the

480
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: thing is is if we do like this hask and

481
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: he's right there, and if there's good pass rushers, which

482
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: way to go that I really, if I'm the general manager,

483
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: really have to look at it. If I like him,

484
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, to let him sit on their Eli there

485
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: and not next year or two years from now have

486
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 1: to pay a good price to get up there because

487
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: they just don't fall into your hands. So thanks for

488
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: taking my call. I appreciate the phone. You just remember

489
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: one thing. It doesn't matter who the Giants quarterback is.

490
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: If they don't get themselves a premier pass rusher this offseason,

491
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: of course it's going to be a problem. Well I've

492
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: said that to me, is priority number one this offseason

493
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: in terms of shoring up the pass rush, having somebody

494
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: to compliment Vernon and then some because in this league

495
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: you need a rotational group of pass rushers. A few items,

496
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: just a piggyback off of of what our last caller

497
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: brought up. Brandon Graham was the thirteenth overall pick in

498
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: two thousand ten. The Eagles took him two spots ahead

499
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: of JP. So the Giants weren't in a position to

500
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: even draft Brandon Graham that year because then JPP was

501
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: taking fifteen. Just to clarify that, I just want to

502
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: expand a little bit about this whole thought process of

503
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, well, what happens if then you're forced to

504
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback in two thousand twenty. Like I said,

505
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: we have no idea where the Giants are gonna draft,

506
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: So we could sit here and speculate, and I'm not

507
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: trying to be a debbie down or we just don't

508
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: know where they're gonna be drafting. I mean, there's a

509
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: lot of people, Paul, that didn't think the Giants are

510
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: gonna be drafting sixth overall this year, and we were

511
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: having the conversations in two thousand eighteen. The Giants don't

512
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: take a quarterback in two thousand eighteen. They're gonna have

513
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: a great season, they're gonna be low in the first round,

514
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to give up seventeen first round picks.

515
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, we're back here a

516
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: year later and they have the sixth overall pick. So

517
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: once again, it's not me being negative. It's the fact

518
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: that you don't have a crystal ball. I don't have

519
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: a crystal ball. Paul doesn't have a crystal ball. Why

520
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: are we now stressing out over where the Giants are

521
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: gonna be drafting in two thousand twenty? Another example I

522
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: want to bring up before you go anywhere else. You

523
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: know what's really funny about what you just said. Had

524
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: the Giants been really good this year, had they the

525
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: playoffs and be drafting somewhere in the range, it would

526
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: make a lot more sense to draft one of these

527
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because you would not be reaching all the way

528
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: up at number six to go grab one of these guys.

529
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: Maybe you might want to draft Haskins if he fell

530
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: to because maybe you don't feel you have other pressing

531
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: as any one of those guys might not have been

532
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: much of a reach at the bottom of the first round.

533
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: But drafting at six, you can't take a quarterback there

534
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: just can't do it well. And here's the other not

535
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: of this class, the other thing that I wanted to

536
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: bring up. First of all, when the Giants got Eli

537
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: Manning and they made the trade with Philip Rivers. Granted

538
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: there wasn't a huge distance between one and four under

539
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: the circumstances, but they still had to sacrifice pieces to

540
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: get Eli Manning, Paul. They had to give up things.

541
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: They gave up picks that turned into three Pro Bowl players. See,

542
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: here's the thing that people are missing. And Joe, I

543
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: appreciate the all, you're one of our best callers. But

544
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: here's what you're missing. So what if you overpaid The

545
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Giants overpaid for Eli Manning if you take into account

546
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: that the Chargers got three Pro Bowl players in return,

547
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: But what do you care what the other team got?

548
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: Because you got a two time Super Bowl m v

549
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: P and a Hall of Famer. So does it really

550
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: matter if the other team got the better of the deal.

551
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: As long as you got what you wanted, you want

552
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: your return to be where it should be. So that

553
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: example I wanted to bring up, and Paul, there's an

554
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: example of where the Giants had a high pick that year,

555
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: yet they still made a trade and they still had

556
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: to give up assets. So it's an example of because

557
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: the GM had conviction that that's the guy he had

558
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: to have, they all believe that that was the guy.

559
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: That was one example I wanted unanimous by the way

560
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: on that in that year, Ben Roethlisberger and so forth.

561
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: But also let's let's put things in perspective here, And

562
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: this was another conversation I was going back and up

563
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: with somebody at social media. Two thousand four turned out

564
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: to be one of the best quarterback classes in any history.

565
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: Do we know that two thousand eighteen is going to

566
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: turn out that way? Can we let these guys play

567
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: a little bit before we come to that conclusion. That's

568
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: all I'm asking, And I'm high on a lot of

569
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: these guys, But let's see him play for or five

570
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: years before we make that declaration. We know how two

571
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: thousand four panned out. Two thousand four was an anomaly.

572
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Two thousand four is not regularly what happens. The other

573
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: example I wanted to bring up. Okay, so that's the

574
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: ELI example. They had to give up resources to get ELI.

575
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: Then let's go to Kansas City in two thousand seventeen,

576
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: Paul the trade from Home. Yes, here's why I want

577
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: to bring that up. You think they care that they

578
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: paid what they paid, Well, no, I don't think. I

579
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: don't think. That's not why I'm bringing that up. I'm

580
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: bringing that up because here's another example of where you

581
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: are on the landscape of the NFL standings. Kansas City

582
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen, Paul was coming off a twelve

583
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: and fourth season. They were a playoff team, They were

584
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: a Super All contender. They had Alex Smith, and I

585
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: don't care whether you love or hate Alex Smith. They

586
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: were winning consistently with Alex Smith. Even now that Patrick

587
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: Moomes is doing his thing. They made the playoffs a

588
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: lot more than they didn't make the players with Alex

589
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Smith is the quarterback, you do far worse than Alex Smith.

590
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: So they have Alex Smith. They have stability at quarterback pole.

591
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: They're twelve and four, they're picking twenty seven overall in

592
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: the first round. They still decided, you know what, we're

593
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: thinking about the future, we're gonna move up. They moved

594
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: up to ten and they got Patrick Mahomes. They had

595
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: to give up assets to do that. But the point

596
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm bringing to the forefrontier is there is no rule

597
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL poll that just because you do not

598
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: have a high first round pick, that you have the

599
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: inability to grab a quarterback that year. Well, we're of

600
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: the mindset that you get a top five pick, that's

601
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: the only way to get a quarterback. The Chiefs or

602
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: twenty seven, they moved up to tent. It can be

603
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: done as well well, and of more importance to hammer

604
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: home your point, what was the price? They were twenty

605
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: seven and all they had to give up to get

606
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: up to ten was a third rounder and the first rounder.

607
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: They swap picks, gave up a one and a three

608
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: to go from and that was all the way up

609
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: to ten. Do you think today that they regret that trade? No,

610
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: not at all, But I'm not they don't and I'm

611
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: not bringing it up though to reevaluate this. No, no,

612
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: But here's my point. For anybody who says that if

613
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: the Giants are good in nineteen that they're going to

614
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: have such a low pick in twenty they're not going

615
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: to be able to grab a quality quarterback prospect, that

616
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: is a foolish statement. That's my point, and it's absolutely

617
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: ridiculous because let's just say they are down in the range.

618
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me that giving up a one

619
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: and a three to get up to the top ten

620
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: much if they really believe in a QB when you've

621
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: possibly got four first round quarterbacks coming out in come on,

622
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: I do that a heartbeat, just like the Chiefs did.

623
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: That's not too much. Now. The counter to everybody seems

624
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: to think the Giants are gonna be crippled because they're

625
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to sell the entire farm if they need

626
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: to move up, that's not gonna happen. And teams moving

627
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: up from the first round is a lot different than

628
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: trying to go like from the second round to the

629
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: first round or some ridiculous jump because you didn't have

630
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: a first round pick that year. That wouldn't be the circumstance.

631
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: So while yes, you're not necessarily guaranteed to find Patrick

632
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Mahomes every year. That's not why I'm bringing that to

633
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: the forefront. You sold hold my point. My point is

634
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: you pick late in the first round, it's not impossible

635
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: to move up. We've seen teams move up in the

636
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: first round every year. It's a regular thing, regardless of

637
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: what position they're in. But the counter to that is

638
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: gonna be, well, when you're picking six, Paul, you should

639
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: take advantage of grabbing a quarterback because then the following

640
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: you you don't have to worry about giving up assets.

641
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: So my response to that is, so you're gonna tell

642
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: me you should settle the year you're picking six on

643
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Speaker 1: on any quarterback simply because you're picking high. You don't

644
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: even have to love the quarterbacks. You just take a

645
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that gets you're picking high, and then maybe the

646
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: following year you really love that class. But it's gonna

647
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: cost you a little bit more to move up. But

648
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: there's conviction there, Paul, there's conviction in the room. This

649
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: is our guy. We think he could be a franchise quarterback.

650
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Speaker 1: Then I think you're a little bit more in a

651
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: better position to digest the fact that you have to

652
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: give up asset. Let's put it this way. The only

653
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: way the Giant should take a QB is if Dave

654
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: gettleman in that room is unanimous that that's the guy.

655
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: We've got to grab him at six, no question about it.

656
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Closed the book, he's the man. That is the only way.

657
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: There are probably about ten different reasons of which we've

658
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: already described most of them why they absolutely should not.

659
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: The scale is so heavily weighted in not taking the

660
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: QB for so many reasons that it becomes a very

661
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: ridiculous debate. I'm with you. We want to remind you.

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Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines, which Jacket with

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Speaker 1: Doug in Rochester. Doug, Welcome the Big Blue kig Off Live.

666
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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Hey? Let's Atlanta, so right,

667
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: good to talk to you. How are you? I'm doing okay? Also,

668
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: one thing about the Super Bowl. A lot of people

669
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: this day, I just want to say one thing to

670
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: move on. Um. First of all, the people thought the

671
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: two teams in the Super Bowl, and around two teams,

672
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: most people thought knew that the Kansas City should have

673
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: been there. A couple of horrific officiating and that's why

674
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that was a low ladies

675
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: or a low ladies super Bowl. So I want to

676
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: move on after that. Once again, that tissue box game

677
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: so very good. I said, that's the kuddo, what a

678
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: tissue box game. If they want some tissues to shed

679
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: away their tears, I'd be more than happy to give

680
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 1: them tissues. Yeah. Well yeah, but you know, you know

681
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna leave that alone. But I see Danny

682
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Getaman got rid of kind of ball win, so he

683
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: started his um no removal of players, and um, I

684
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: want to talk to you guys about some players on

685
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: defense and get your opinion. I'll say, I'll say the

686
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: guy's office for Jeffer City. UM. I want to start

687
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: with Webbing and Grant. Um, do you guys think they

688
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: should be removed or do they should remain? Those two

689
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: players and Goods and I want to add Goodson in

690
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: new those three. First of all, I personally believe that

691
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: all three guys should come to camp and have to compete.

692
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that any of those three guys should

693
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: be immediately discarded, but I don't think any of them

694
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Speaker 1: should be automatically granted starting jobs either. Yeah, I'm with Paul,

695
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: and all three of the guys that you named are

696
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily all of a sudden in a position where

697
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: they're hurting the Giants financially. B J. Goodson still on

698
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: a rookie contract, Grant Haley, we're talking about an undrafted player,

699
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: and B. W. Webb has been a journeyman who is

700
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: an important piece I think as depth at the cornerback position.

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00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: Took Paul's point, Yeah, you're not necessarily bringing him back

702
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: and guaranteeing him, Hey, you're gonna be our storing corner

703
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: but you could say, hey, we want you to compete

704
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: and we look at you as a versatile member of

705
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: the second very same thing with Grant Haley. You have

706
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: ninety guys on the roster, so it's not as if

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Speaker 1: those three in particular would be preventing you from adding

708
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: even more talent to the rod I would tell you

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00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: of those three guys you mentioned, the coaching staff was

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00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: very high on Grant Haley's progress towards the end of

711
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: the season. They really seemed to like his ups, specifically

712
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: because he had never played slot when he was at

713
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: Penn State. He was always a boundary corner. And here

714
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: the Giant says they progressed through the course of last season,

715
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: had him playing more and more slot, and has he

716
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: became more comfortable, And as they saw him become more confident,

717
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: they started to think that maybe he's got a lot

718
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: more ups than maybe people thought back last summer. And

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Speaker 1: Haley is a straight at a young player. We're talking

720
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Speaker 1: about somebody when there was a rookie one season of

721
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: NFL experience, so there's a lot more to evaluate to

722
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: determine what he's seeling is. So anyway, let all three

723
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Speaker 1: of them compete. That would be my my take on it.

724
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Speaker 1: Um where I think he's the same kind of player.

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00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: He's a good role player, good locker room guy, does

726
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: a lot of things for you on special teams. I

727
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: think that carry win comes back and you know, again,

728
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Speaker 1: you say, hey, compete for your reps, and if he

729
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: deserves more reps, he gets more reps. If he does it,

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Speaker 1: chances are he's still an outstanding special teams player and

731
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Speaker 1: a and a back of the end rotation player. Um. Again,

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Speaker 1: I would not say automatically, you know, that that he

733
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Speaker 1: gets anything promised to him. But why wouldn't you have

734
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Speaker 1: him come back to training camp and compete for reps.

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Speaker 1: They're very fond of Kerry wins work ethic. He's had

736
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: strong training camps in preseasons just about Paul every single

737
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: year he's been here. Uh, do you want to see

738
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Speaker 1: a translate a bit more to the regular season. Yes,

739
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: But you know the thing with Kerry Win is once

740
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: you get to the regular season, he doesn't again nearly

741
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: as many reps because he's not, you know, in every

742
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: down type of player. They bring him in to Paul's point,

743
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: for special teams play some fire on third down here

744
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: are there? But you need those type of players on

745
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: your roster. Okay, you're saying, so the guys you know

746
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: I've done on special teams, they have a good shot

747
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm making He's another fine example you're talking about. So

748
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: he's a good special team guy. So you more luck

749
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: you want a guy like that on your squad, right, Yeah,

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00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is one of the best special teams players

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. DUG and we're gonna let you go

752
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: on that note. Appreciate the phone call, Thanks so much

753
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: for weighing in personally, I would not put Michael Thomas

754
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Speaker 1: in the same criteria and label as those other players

755
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: you name, because Thomas wound up starting a lot, especially

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Speaker 1: after Landon Collins went down. He could play corner, he

757
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: could play safety, and he's an all around excellent special

758
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: teams players. So you know that, to me, is not

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00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: the type of player that you're truly valuing. I say,

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00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: you bring him back and you don't really ask any

761
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: questions under those circumstances. I just did a quick computer

762
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: check here to confirm Michael Thomas did signed to year

763
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: contract with the Giants, so he is currently on retainer.

764
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Verry Win is actually an unrestricted free agent. So if

765
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: he decides that the grass is greener somewhere else, or

766
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: if he gets blown out of the water with an

767
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: offer that he just can't refuse or says, you know what,

768
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Speaker 1: I think my role should be this and the Giants

769
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: don't have that role for me, maybe he decides to

770
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, but I certainly think the Giants would

771
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: be interested in having him back again compete for the

772
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Speaker 1: reps that that you have to earn. You need depth

773
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: in this league. It's one of the things we're talking

774
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: about again, that the Giants are looking at the tackle

775
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: during the course of the off season, because when players

776
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: like Vernon and Landon Collins go down, you need some

777
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: of those glue guys who know the system and it

778
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: may not be able to produce the same way, but

779
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: you figure you're comfortable with the executing the game plan.

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00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: So there's always value on But of course on the

781
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: depth chart, you can never have guys who feel comfortable

782
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: on their own merit because then they don't give you

783
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: the kind of return that you're talking about. But I

784
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: don't think that, and I don't think he does. Correct.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of the players that were brought

786
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: up have that attitude. And I also don't think I'll

787
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Speaker 1: take it a step further, Paul. I don't think anyone

788
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Speaker 1: in this organization or on the coaching staff walks up

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00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: to a guy like Grant Hanley and says, Grant, he

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00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: had a solid season, don't worry, You're gonna be on

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: our fifty three next season. You can't do that, no,

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00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: So so I don't think any of those players can

793
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: afford to be in that position. The keyword compete simple.

794
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: Haley's coming off his first year in the NFL, he

795
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: was undrafted. Who with that resume walks into their second

796
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: training camp it says, yeah, you know what, I'm gonna

797
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: be on the fifty three man roster, Kerry. When it's

798
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: another undrafted player that is also far from having that mindset.

799
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas was not necessarily a highly coveted player coming

800
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: out of Stanford. Let's not forget. You know, he was

801
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: on the Niners practice squad picked up by the Dolphins.

802
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: So we're talking about all of these players pulled. The

803
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: common trait they have is they've aoth climbed up hill exactly.

804
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: So I don't think you should ever worry about the

805
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: work ethic with respect to those players. If it's somebody

806
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: that's a high first round pick and he's moved from

807
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: team to team and he thinks he's entitled, that's a

808
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: different story. None of these players fall. I'll do that umbrella.

809
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: Antonio is in Manhattan. He joins us here on Big

810
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. What's happened in Antonio? Are we doing? Antonio? Hi?

811
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Antonio going once? Did we lose you? Antonio going twice?

812
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: He's gone. Antonio is a man of very few words.

813
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Apparently for today's program. How about John in Syracuse. John,

814
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Hopefully you're a bit more talking

815
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Speaker 1: to Hi John, Yeah, hopefully, yes, he started off, Oh thanks,

816
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. UM. I just want to say that after

817
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: watching the Super Bowl and you see one quarterback being Brady,

818
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: who he makes the right reads, makes the right throw

819
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: most of the time, even though I hate the Patriots. Um,

820
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: but then you have Golf on the other side, who

821
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: looked like he was confused and started, you know, the

822
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: whole game, held the ball too long many times. Yeah.

823
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's one thing that when it comes to that's

824
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Speaker 1: why I want to kind of tie it to Haskins.

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00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: I know that if if if gentleman really does, like

826
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Paul, that if he really does

827
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: feel that he's, you know, that guy, that he should

828
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: pick him. Because I've watched so many different videos, read

829
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: so many different things that people with different you know,

830
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: perspectives on Haskins, and I know that it's bad that

831
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: he they say that he's not good under pressure, but

832
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he only played fourteen games. The good thing

833
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: about him that I did see though, is that he

834
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: tends to throw with anticipation and he reads defenses really well,

835
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: where I feel that even guys that have been picked

836
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: in like a high first round, they have all the

837
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: talent in the world, but if you can't read the defense,

838
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: then it's not gonna get you too far. So, um,

839
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I guess when you guys kind of look at more

840
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: of his uh if his his game tape and such,

841
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: maybe he'll probably uh spot some of those where he'll

842
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: read the defense and you know it just accordingly. Well,

843
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: you've got a couple of problems there that kind of

844
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: impede that situation. First of all, with his lack of experience,

845
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Speaker 1: as you said, he's only started for a year. That

846
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: makes it difficult for him to even make the jump

847
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: right away to the NFL and be able to read

848
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: defenses because he doesn't have the experience that maybe a

849
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: big time guy who has started for three years at

850
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: least three years would have in the college level. So

851
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: a um, he's not gonna be great at reading defenses

852
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have a lot of those game reps.

853
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Speaker 1: B Uh, it's many against boys. Ohio State virtually cleans

854
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: up on most of the opponents that they play against,

855
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: or at least half of them, so the level of

856
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: comp that you're talking about. He's still gonna be making

857
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: a jump, okay. And then the other thing you got

858
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: to keep in mind, he he is more of a

859
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: system quarterback. Okay. I had a scout on the I

860
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: was on the phone the other day with a scout

861
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: talking about him, and he's not from this building. He's

862
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: from outside the building. And he said to me, do

863
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: you know what Haskins does. They give him two reads.

864
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: It's his first guy or secondary receiver. He doesn't go

865
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: through the third, the fourth, and the fifth thread. He

866
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have all of those of progressions. The complexity of

867
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: the Buckeyes offense is actually very low. It is a

868
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: very simple offense. He's looking at his first receiver, second receiver,

869
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: and he's getting rid of the ball and that's it.

870
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: He said, do you know the trouble this guy's gonna

871
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: have when he starts to deal with a complex NFL playbook.

872
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Needless to say, he's not a huge Haskins fan. He

873
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: said to me, Haskins may four or five years down

874
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: the road, maybe a good NFL starter, But that's a

875
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: heck of a gamble to take a number six. That

876
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: doesn't make him worth it. Well, And also The other

877
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: part of the critique related to that is the hesitancy

878
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: to sometimes hit the home run pass because he's looking

879
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: at other areas of the field that a guy is opened,

880
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: perhaps on the opposite side of the field. That comes

881
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: down with looking at onst progressions. That's what I'm talking about,

882
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: not to mention, you're right, the other knock on him

883
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: and i'd have seen. I've started watching some of his tape.

884
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: Guy is getting his face. It's a problem. He's not

885
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: very poised. But again that could come in time with many, many,

886
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: many more reps. The problem is you just don't know.

887
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: Here's here's the bottom line to any of the Haskins

888
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: lovers out there. The bottom line is this, there is

889
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: no unanimous opinion that he is a blue chip franchise quarterback.

890
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. There are too many different opinions as

891
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: to the level of success that he's going to have

892
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: and when he's going to have it, and when it's

893
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: that checkered, when the decision is that widely split, you

894
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: can't take him at number six. Now again, Dave get

895
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: him into the one poem on the trigger. So if

896
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: he believes that that's the guy he gets paid to

897
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: make that choice. And he's got to make the choice

898
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: because if that's his conviction, he's got to do it.

899
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: But I would say to you, and I'll say it

900
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: to you today, and I'll say it to you at

901
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the end of April if he makes that pick. There

902
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: is such a wide scope of opinion on Haskins, one

903
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: would think he's not thinking that way. Okay, got it, Well,

904
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: thank you? Oh Um. I was gonna say, the last

905
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: time I called is actually during the last draft, and

906
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: it was right before the second round pick, and I

907
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: wanted Hernandez or the guy that the defensive end I got,

908
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: I think to the Titans, Um, and I hope this year,

909
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I hope we didn't get that, either that Risner guy

910
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: or that Addison for sake, you hope maybe they trade

911
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: up a little bit using one of the later picks

912
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: to get one of those two guys. I think that

913
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: would really, you know, be two spots to really look at. Well,

914
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: so they've got a high volume of picks this year,

915
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: and appreciate the phone call, John, thanks so much for

916
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: weighing in. So I think they're going to have the

917
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: ability to perhaps package too, to move up in certain circumstances.

918
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: Depending on how high they are on specific players. Let's

919
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Let's check in Dave

920
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: with Lenn in Columbia, Maryland. Len, what's happening, hey, guys,

921
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: how you doing good? Good? UM? A couple of last

922
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: thoughts on the on the on the on the big

923
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: game last Sunday, UM. One. You know, as the game

924
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: was progressing and I was, you know, paying attention to

925
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: the center play as I usually do the last couple

926
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: of years, you know, I got to thinking about the

927
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: inline tight end ability to block and the impact of

928
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: that on the running game, and it sure does to me.

929
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not I'm not really saying that I've

930
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: uncovered something here because we've talked about it before. But

931
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: the value of the tight end who can block in

932
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: making that running game, Hume, is really indispensable. Well, it

933
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: helps when you have a guy named Rob Gronkowski who's

934
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: built like a brick wall. And I watched him during

935
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: the post a little bit. I watched him against the

936
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: hold On talking. We have a conversation here, glad you

937
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: kill him me here? I said, well, we'll let you

938
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: back on. I've watched him against the Chargers. Gregkowski went

939
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: up against Melvin Ingram and he was pushing Melvin Ingram

940
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: back one or two feet. Essentially, it seemed like there's

941
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: very few Paul tight ends that I could do that

942
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: because he's an old school tight end exact old school

943
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: always rules. But he's also built like a guy that

944
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: could get blocked. Well, let's go ahead, like yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,

945
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: Uh the other the other thing and the I don't

946
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: know if this is indispensable, but I got to thinking

947
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: about watching watching Devlin and thinking about the guy down,

948
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: the guy down in New Orleans line, thinking about the

949
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: value in short yarded situations of that lead block or

950
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: from the fullback position, um, and the impact that that

951
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: person really makes on the run game. I mean, those

952
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: two guys block inside the tackles. With those guys as

953
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: lead blockers, Paul and you know, perhaps Lance also really

954
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: remind me of Cartharon, Uh, you know, leading the way

955
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: through the hole. And you know, if you're going to

956
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: carry a fullback for me and again a little bit

957
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: old school, Um, you know, I want a guy who

958
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: can you know, lead block up the middle in short

959
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: yardist situations. You know what's funny Land the people who

960
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to keep a fullback. They want to

961
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: get very fancy with the schematics, but it goes back

962
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: to Lombardi. You know what, I don't care if you

963
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do. I'm going to execute

964
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: on high level and I'm going to do it. Go

965
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: ahead and try to stop me. You're not going to

966
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: because we're gonna be so punishing. We're going to be

967
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: to impose our will on you, and you'll be my guest.

968
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna stock in the face. As Lombardi used to say,

969
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna run the daylight. And that's what. It's one play.

970
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: It's one play, and we're going to create daylight and

971
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: Horny is going to get through or Taylor is going

972
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: to get through, and there we go, and we're on

973
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: our way to a victory. One one surprise in the

974
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and or it just surprised me. I don't

975
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: know how if a lot of other people are even

976
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: going to remember the play, but the actual second play

977
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: of the game, they ran Cordell Patterson as a running back. Yes,

978
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: and he carried the ball and he did that myself,

979
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: Cordel Patterson on the first series of the game coming

980
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like something you might do in

981
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. No, No, that out on the first

982
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: series of the game. That was a part of their

983
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: regular repertoire. Though he did that a number of times

984
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: during it. But I wonder how how I wonder how

985
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: often he did it that early, Paul, I don't know.

986
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't know as as as the season went along,

987
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: whether he did that in the third quarter of the

988
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: fourth quarter most of the time and not on the

989
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: first series of the game in the Super Bowl, I

990
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know that he's an run him

991
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: as a screen guy, he's a special teams player. He's

992
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: a jack of all trades guy. Now, I can't answer

993
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: you a question in terms of how often it happened

994
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: early in the game, but him around the entire season.

995
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: And the other thing about your point about the fullback,

996
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: and Patrember said this multiple times, is the fact that

997
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: you need to be able to catch the ball out

998
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: of the backfield if you're gonna play fullback for the

999
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: New York Giants. Now, I was looking over Zach line statistics.

1000
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: For example, he brought up the Saints fullback line over

1001
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: the course of his career has fourteen receptions. Now part

1002
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: of that is usage. So I'm not gonna say that

1003
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: he can't catch the football. But when the Giants are

1004
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: evaluating these fullbacks, they're evaluating them to the terminal. Okay,

1005
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: can they block, but also can they be a reliable

1006
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: option poll as a receiver? Well, that's got to be

1007
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: a priority. Knowing Sean Payton's offensive mind and how creative

1008
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: he is, I would think that if Lion had the

1009
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: ability to be a good pass catcher, he probably would

1010
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: have worked them in a little more often than that.

1011
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: That's my guest, no, And that's why it's a little

1012
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: surprising that his low numbers probably indicate in a reflection

1013
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: that he's not a great He's not a great pass catcher.

1014
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: I think that we know he's a blocker. Let's just

1015
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: concentrate on that. That's my guess. All right, Let's say

1016
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines as we move along here

1017
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Charlie's import in Maine. Charlie,

1018
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: welcome aboard. What do you got for us? Hey, Charlie? Hey, Hey, Paul, Hey,

1019
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: last hey. I was just gonna say, if we don't

1020
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: fix our offensive line, Paul isn't gonna matter if he

1021
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: can read his third, fourth, or fifth. Uh, you know,

1022
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: receivers with Charlie. Oh yeah, you got that right, because

1023
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: if you don't get your offensive line fixed, there's no

1024
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: time to get to the third option. That's right. My

1025
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: My feeling is is, look, if if Haskins could be

1026
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: uh maybe not at six, but you know, he could

1027
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: be the guy to sits behind Eli for a year

1028
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: or two. If Eli has a really good year this

1029
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: year and we make the playoffs, blah blah blah, he

1030
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: could be back for another year. So two years sitting

1031
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: behind him. The thing is with with Haskins, it's gotta

1032
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: be potential, you know. I mean, I'm sure they would

1033
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: rather have Daniel Jones because he's played three years in

1034
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: the league. They know the coach he had, the guy

1035
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: coached Eli, you know, to be you know, I don't

1036
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: think on their board Haskins is the best player on

1037
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: their board. It's not. It's not gonna happen. It's not

1038
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna be there. You know. I think Williams might be.

1039
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: And if maybe, if Williams is there at six, if

1040
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: he drops for some reason because the Raiders end up

1041
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: moving out or picking a quarterback, and you've got Williams

1042
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: sitting there at six. I think the Giants would take

1043
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: him in a heartbeat, Charlie, I'm so glad you brought

1044
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: that up, because I had a guy asked me on

1045
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: Twitter this morning. He asked me if the Giants would

1046
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: take a defensive tackle at six because they desperately need

1047
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: an edge rusher, and you know, you're bringing up Quentin Williams.

1048
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, you know, And I responded to him,

1049
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: knowing Dave Ghettoman as I do, if he really believed

1050
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: that Williams was that much better than any edge rusher

1051
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: on the board, you don't straight he would take him

1052
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: at six, because Dave Gettleman believes a you take the

1053
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: best player available whenever possible, and be you can to

1054
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: have enough big maton on that line. Well, and there's

1055
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: been years he's taken to defensive linemen in a row

1056
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: when he was in That would not shock me. If

1057
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: somehow he fell to six and they took him, I

1058
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked at that at all. Yeah, And the

1059
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: thing is, this guy is going to be a disruptor.

1060
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Williams is you know, he could be a

1061
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: pass rusher in the middle, you know, and you know

1062
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Speaker 1: so so I know, like people want a quarterback. My

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: gut feeling is if the guys like Williams or their

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00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: d rushers are taken and they're there at six and they,

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, they really don't think Askins is their quarterback

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00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 1: at six, they're gonna move down to fifteen or twelve

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00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: or something, and then you know, get extra picks. They

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00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: can pick up Jones in the ladder of the first

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00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: round or the early part of the second, or at

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00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: least they'll have more assets that they can move up

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00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: and get him if they need to. If they see

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00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: the guys gonna go early, they can move up and

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00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: get him. They think, you know, I just don't think

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00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: you know that, I just don't think Askins is going

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00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: to be their number one guy on the board that's six,

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00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, Not that I don't like him. I think

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00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: he'd be perfect in our system of sitting behind ELI

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00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and I think his potential

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: is really high. But I just don't know if uh, gentlemen,

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00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: would you know do that? Well? You know how we feel.

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00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's the bottom line. Again, there are

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00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: many reasons to believe he won't be the guy, and

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00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: probably only one reason, and that is if Gettleman totally

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00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: buys in, that's the only reason to take him. There

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00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: were too many reasons not to and what and you've

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00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: just stated a scenario which makes perfect sense. Well, Charlie,

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00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: you hit the to me an important term, which is potential.

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00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: If they feel he's got an immense amount of potential

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00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: and they're all on the same page, then to me,

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00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: I think it's valuable in taking a player like that.

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00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: But if you don't feel the potentials there and you

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00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: don't envision and being a franchise quarterback, I don't believe

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00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: you should take a quarterback just for the sake of

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00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback and you think he lies towards the

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00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: end of the road. I just don't think that's a

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Speaker 1: good substance behind. Here's the difference. When you talk about

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00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: potential and degrees of potential. Last year, the entire room

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00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: was unanimous. Charles Barry, not Charles Barkley. Kwon Barkley is

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00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 1: not about potential, say, Kwan Barkley is for real. He's

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00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: the short thing. He is tangible. You can reach out

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00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: like the like the hand of God and touch him.

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00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: He is real. This is not a projection he is

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00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the real deal now. Well, but that's the difference. Well,

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00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: but most quarterback selections are based on potential and projections,

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00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: because first of all, not everybody's starting day one, so

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00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: you're assuming, hey, with some polish added, he's gonna be

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00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: our guy. Well, and as has been described to me

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: by many many football people over the years, look how

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00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: many first round quarterbacks actually fail of the success rate

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00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: because people are projecting too much on potential and they

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00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: reach for these guys at the success rate is not

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00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: as good as you needed to be, because that is

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00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: a big mistake when you make it. It's a big one.

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00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: And Charlie appreciate the phone call, thanks so much for

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00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: putting in. You got well listen, it's the combination of

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00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: desperation in needing a quarterback, urgency in the quarterback, and

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00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: then that's how you get in positions where you sort

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: of sell yourself on a prospect and it may not

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00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: be the best decision. JaMarcus Russell is another guy that

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: comes to mind now when you watch them in college,

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00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: there were things to like, Don't get me wrong, Paul,

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00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean for everybody to say that, oh, well, we

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00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: knew JaMarcus Russell goes to pan out, but you know,

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00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: with a lot of things, same thing with Ryan Leaf

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Speaker 1: Paul there was a lot of potential, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of upside. Work ethic, though, is something that can't

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00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: be dismissed couch because then you get them in an

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Speaker 1: NFL environment and they don't hang around the facility. Johnny

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00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: Manziel is another one. They're not putting in the film

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Speaker 1: study time. It doesn't matter how much potential what they have.

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00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: They can have all the potential of the world, but

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: they're not honing their craft. Because of the nature of

1133
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: the position, there will be more people who reach and

1134
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: convince themselves that they've got to take the risk, more

1135
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: so than any other position on the board. And that's

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00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: why your success ratio becomes so low, and it becomes

1137
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: so painfully obvious when you make a mistake, and and

1138
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: the cost is just immense. Because of the importance of

1139
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: the position and how we are enamored with quarterback statistics

1140
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: fantasy football, you would argue is a contributing factor tivits.

1141
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: When Giants drafted Dave Brown, they knew that Phil Simms

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: was on the latter stages of his career. They used

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: to supplemental first round pick on Dave Brown coming out

1144
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: of Duke because George Young was a thousand percent sold

1145
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the next guy. Okay, so the

1146
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: GM had conviction. He rolled the dice, took the gamble,

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00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: and it turned out not so well. All right, And

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: quite honestly, they were mixed opinions about Dave Brown. He

1149
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: was not a unanimous across the board. Every pro football

1150
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: scout in America said he can't miss. There were a

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00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: lot of people who were very surprised when he went

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00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: and reached for Dave Brown at the Supplemental Draft in

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00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: the first round. It cost the Giants the following year's

1154
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: first round pick. So what happens when you reach for

1155
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round like that? You can

1156
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: get burned badly. I laugh at these people who call

1157
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: up and hit me up on Twitter and say, oh,

1158
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: quarterback hell. You know, stay away from quarterback hell. If

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00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: you don't get rid of you lie you get a

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00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: new one. It's gonna be quarterback hell for years. Well,

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00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: what do you think the Giants were in when they

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00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: drafted Dave Brown in the first round of the Supplemental Draft.

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: They were in quarterback health for years until Carry Collins

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: came along well and quarterback hell is also because you

1165
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: to your point, you take a number of years because

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: you just don't get things right. And it could be

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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: a combination of taking chances on free agency as well

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: as the draft. They were lucky that Danny Cannell got

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00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: him into the playoffs in but basically they were in

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00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: a bad spot because they had committed that first round

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: pick to Dave Brown and he did not work out well.

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Speaker 1: And here's another example. I'm just looking through recent drafts

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00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: and the Broncos at two thousand sixteen greb Paxton Lynch. Yeah,

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't a top five pick. He was twenty sixth overall,

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00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: but they were very high on him. And you're gonna

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00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: tell me, if John Elwick could go back, they couldn't

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00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: have gotten better value with that overall pick. Paul and

1178
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: brought in a player that could help them in another area.

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00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: So they're still paying for that miss absolutely. So you

1180
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: know that there's risk involved in everything in the draft

1181
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: because it's an in exact science. But that's why as

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00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: a front office you can live with We all felt

1183
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: this guy was in and you know what if it

1184
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. Fine, it doesn't work out, but at

1185
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: least we all did our homework and we were all

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: on the same page as opposed to you went across

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Speaker 1: the room and you had seven different opinions of seven

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: different players and then flipped a coin to pick one

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Speaker 1: of the seven. That, to me is not necessarily a

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Speaker 1: wise decision. Let's head back to the phone lines as

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Speaker 1: we wrap up shop here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Robin is in Atlanta. Robin, Welcome to the program. What

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: do you have for us? Thanks for taking my cause? Man?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say, uh, congrats to

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Speaker 1: say or year one. Um. I think he's uh, he's

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01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: like a remarkable player man, because I I was watching

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Speaker 1: some clips from the Pro Bowl and one of the

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: guys was interviewing him, and you're always talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, you want to thank fans stuff for voting,

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01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: but not only himself, y'all. He also mentioned, you know,

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 1: it's other teammates. You're gonna thank the fans for Boe,

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01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: for his teammates too. He's like, he's like upstanding guy man,

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01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna be like so special for us. Man.

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: It's like Mark w how a young guy he is

1205
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: and he's so like mature and you know he like

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Speaker 1: I just said the show, he's been like that all season. Yeah,

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01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um. One other thing too, man, I've just

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01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: seen um, I know you might need a corner back

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01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: and I've just seen the Ppkins. Uh they released Robert Afford.

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Speaker 1: I try to seek you guys might think he might

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01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: be a you know, like a fit for us. Yeah,

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01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: Robert Alford's a veteran cornerback who you're right was let go.

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Speaker 1: Like any other player, he's worth evaluating. I mean, I

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: don't know what the demand is going to be like

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01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: on the open market and how much money he's gonna

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Speaker 1: wind up, you know, seeking, but he's certainly somebody that

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01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: fits the profile of somebody that's got NFL experience, has

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Speaker 1: been a starter, has versatility, and if they feel he's

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: a good fit and he wants to be here, then

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Speaker 1: it's somebody worth perusing. There's there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind the story one. Yeah, but you know what,

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: I would argue, you need for a guy on the

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01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: back end of your depth chart, and nobody's saying you

1224
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: bring him in as a starter for a guy that

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: can maybe move around slot. I don't mind bringing a veteran.

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is a veteran too, who they brought in

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01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: the proof to be a valuable guy. Well, so that

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily that has to be taken into account. And

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Speaker 1: then of course you're gonna have to look at what

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01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: kind of number he was making with Atlanta and how

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01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 1: much of a number is he going to be willing

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Speaker 1: to deal with a thing as he continues his career,

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Speaker 1: because quite honestly, I don't necessarily know that there's gonna

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01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: be too many teams out there that want to bring

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Speaker 1: him in. At the number he was making with the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: he was making a pretty good, pretty good number, And

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Speaker 1: that's why the money is an important part of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: It depends on what he's looking for at this stage

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01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: in his career, considering he's been with Atlanta since he

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01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: was drafted. And I know somebody another caller, yes, that

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: had mentioned I think ear Thomas Thomas. Yeah, Thomas, I

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01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: mean he'd be a good favorite. I think he u

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01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: he wanted to play for like Dallas he already well.

1244
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: But also Earl Thomas is gonna be demanding big bucks.

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01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: You're talking about one of the premier safeties in the NFL.

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: That's a far cry. No disrespect or Alford, but Alfred

1247
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: is not going to be commanding the type of money

1248
01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: that Earl Thomas is gonna go to one. Yeah, all right, Robert,

1249
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call, Thanks so much for weighing in

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01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. John him too, he does,

1251
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: but you know what, that doesn't necessarily shy away from

1252
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: teams still aggressively pursuing him. So I would not be

1253
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: surprised if somebody gives him a respectable offer, given his

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01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: resume and what he's went healthy. Of course, we want

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Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kigoff Live. Will be back up and

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01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: running again tomorrow at noon Eastern, as well as on Friday,

1260
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: as we continue to map out the Giants offseason plans

1261
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: and break down all the ins and outs across the

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 1: NFL landscape, as we near to start a free agency, franchise,

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Speaker 1: tag deadline and so forth. For Paula Tino, I'm Lance

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: metto enjoyed the rest of your Wednesday right here on

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Speaker 1: giants dot com. Have a good one.