Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. It's spooky, Hey, pooky, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm go, said Pyros dress lens Pola. Hey boo, it's me.
Speaker 2: Ra's Hey, guys, I have a little announcement to make.
Speaker 2: If you live in the Los Angeles area, or if
Speaker 2: you happen to be in the area for some reason,
Speaker 2: I am going to be doing my first.
Speaker 1: Live show back, Baby.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be back at Casita del Campo at
Speaker 2: the Cavern Club Celebrity Theater, which is in the basement
Speaker 2: of Casita del Campo, a gorgeous Mexican restaurant in Silver Lake, California.
Speaker 2: The theater is allegedly haunted, and it's where I used
Speaker 2: to do my live shows. And I'm going to do
Speaker 2: it on the twenty ninth of October, which is the
Speaker 2: Friday of Halloween weekend, and it's going to be at
Speaker 2: eight pm. I have the ticket link in the description
Speaker 2: of this episode, and I will say it's going to
Speaker 2: be a pretty intimate little show. I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: small theater. We're going to do even less people in
Speaker 2: the audience than before because the theater wants to be
Speaker 2: COVID safe, and so you have to have proof of
Speaker 2: vaccination or a recent COVID test.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It says it all on the ticket link if you're
Speaker 2: curious about that. But so it's going to be a
Speaker 2: small little thing, so snatch up your tickets quickly. And
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe if it sells out, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure. I can't promise this yet, but I might
Speaker 2: add another one. I'm not sure yet, so just stay tuned.
Speaker 2: Make sure you're following me on Instagram at ros Hernandez
Speaker 2: the Facebook group. I'll say, I'll say I I if
Speaker 2: I'm able to add more, but as of now, it's
Speaker 2: just the one show at eight pm the twenty ninth
Speaker 2: of October. Okay, so guys, today is an action packed episode.
Speaker 2: I have on Matthew Scott Montgomery, who is an actor,
Speaker 2: filmmaker and also best friends with Demi Freakin' Loovato and
Speaker 2: Matthew alongside Demi's sister Dallas, the three of them are
Speaker 2: starring in this new TV show called Unidentified with Demi
Speaker 2: Lovato and it's on Peacock, NBC's streaming platform, and I
Speaker 2: got to see the first episode. It is now officially
Speaker 2: out today the thirtieth. It is out, you can go
Speaker 2: watched the whole show, and at the time of this recording,
Speaker 2: I only got to see the first episode.
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 2: Matthew is so sweet and funny and has a lot
Speaker 2: to say, one of like such an ideal guests. I mean,
Speaker 2: he he made it so easy on me with this,
Speaker 2: just gave me so much good stuff. And we even
Speaker 2: get into ghost stuff. It's not just aliens on this episode, though, we.
Speaker 1: Do talk about aliens.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna get right into the episode here,
Speaker 2: and of course it's always if you want to hear
Speaker 2: a little bit more, go to patreon dot com slash
Speaker 2: rasdres fales. And this time I did the you know,
Speaker 2: unexplainable phenomenal thing with Matthew and he gave me his
Speaker 2: thoughts on psychics, which even involved a little bit of
Speaker 2: Tyler Henry talk. We talk about, Oh, Matthew's a twin,
Speaker 2: so I asked about the whole you know, do twins
Speaker 2: have esp or any of that kind of thing. We're
Speaker 2: talking about hauntsed dolls, bigfoot, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So go check that out. And without further ado, here.
Speaker 2: Is Matthew Scott Montgomery on with the show. Oh my god, everyone,
Speaker 2: I am joined by Matthew Scott Montgomery.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, Oh my gosh. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 4: And it's like, I know we're not technically together, but
Speaker 4: like if I can just flatter myself for a moment,
Speaker 4: I can hear the smile in your voice right now,
Speaker 4: and I'm thrilled. Ah what I.
Speaker 1: I just watched the screener unidentified.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. Oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so exciting.
Speaker 2: I'm so I've seen the first episode and it certainly
Speaker 2: put a big smile on my face.
Speaker 1: Oh good, I loved it.
Speaker 2: I really did love it, and we can we'll certainly
Speaker 2: be talking about it.
Speaker 1: But first of all, how I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm really really good.
Speaker 4: I'm transitioning from Summer meet to Halloween Me and it's
Speaker 4: going very well.
Speaker 1: See, I just stay in Halloween Me.
Speaker 3: So I feel this. I feel that.
Speaker 4: I think if you saw my apartment right now, it's
Speaker 4: very halloweened out all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm like a I'm a Halloween ee.
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, the older I get, the
Speaker 4: more I like romanticize summer in a way. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure exactly why, but like I look sixty percent Halloween
Speaker 4: and forty percent summer, but like the percentage Halloween might
Speaker 4: dip into sixty five or seventy percent.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I find Halloween to be spooky. Sorry, I find
Speaker 2: summer to be spooky.
Speaker 3: Wait, tell me more.
Speaker 2: To me summer, it's it feels like summer camp or
Speaker 2: you know, like there's so many of these like slashermer
Speaker 2: summer to me a slasher films.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you see Fear Street? Did you watch Fear Street?
Speaker 1: I have not seen fear Oh my god, that it rose.
Speaker 4: That's her homework tonight. It's her homework this weekend. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just like queer masterpieces. And you know it's nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety four, nineteen seventy eight and then sixteen sixty six,
Speaker 4: so it's it gives you full Halloween teas, and then
Speaker 4: it's that spooky summer slasher thing you're talking about. It's
Speaker 4: just immaculate.
Speaker 1: Ooh see, you're a big You're a big horror.
Speaker 3: I'm a hor horror. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What what do you tend to get drawn to when
Speaker 1: it comes to horror? Do you have adore that you
Speaker 1: like the most I do.
Speaker 4: I identify with ninety Slashers. So I love I Know
Speaker 4: you did Halloween H two O. Scream Scream two. That
Speaker 4: is my sweet spot right there. Those are my favorite movies.
Speaker 4: I just told you and I'm literally as I'm talking
Speaker 4: to you, I haven't I know what you did last
Speaker 4: summer and Halloween H two O poster looking at me.
Speaker 4: So Jamie Lee Curtis and Jennifer of Hewitt are blessing
Speaker 4: us today.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid and those movies came out,
Speaker 2: those were the most famous to this day. To me,
Speaker 2: those are the most famous piece. If I saw Skeet
Speaker 2: old Rich or Matthew Lillard, oh yeah, Josh Hartnett or
Speaker 2: anybody that was in those movies at that time, those
Speaker 2: are the most famous people in the world to me totally.
Speaker 4: And that was howen H two is Josh Hartnet's first movie.
Speaker 4: At the opening credit is and introducing Josh Hartnett, which
Speaker 4: just fills.
Speaker 3: Me with joy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, See, when I think about aliens and UFOs and
Speaker 2: that kind of a thing, that stuff doesn't scare me.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: When I I've heard a lot of people talk about
Speaker 2: what's an example. I guess alien like in terms.
Speaker 3: Of horror the faculty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's very that time period.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like that's Josh Hartnet that Slasher.
Speaker 4: That's right, right, an alien situation, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But like UFOs, like getting abducted like that kind of
Speaker 2: a thing has never been something that I'm afraid of.
Speaker 1: I mean, where are you at on that?
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are afraid of it
Speaker 4: because of some of the pop cult stuff we're alluding to.
Speaker 4: Whereas the idea of an alien is something scary that
Speaker 4: is going to abduct you and take you away, I
Speaker 4: think the majority of it is fear of the unknown,
Speaker 4: and it's something that we don't know and that we
Speaker 4: don't understand, and of course people always afraid of that.
Speaker 4: I could give like a queer allegory to this another day.
Speaker 4: But one thing that that you know, Demi who's on
Speaker 4: the show with me. You know Demi who's on my
Speaker 4: show with me? Kidding it's it's literally unidentified with Demi.
Speaker 4: Levada would not have a job if that were not anyway,
Speaker 4: but Demi, you know, always points out. Something I learned
Speaker 4: working on the show is that Demi doesn't like to
Speaker 4: use the word alien because it has a negative connotation
Speaker 4: to it and instead say ets. And then also there's
Speaker 4: you know, all this talk of was Demi abducted. Demi
Speaker 4: had this you know, experience with an ET that they've
Speaker 4: been trying to figure out and trying to explore, and
Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons that we did the show
Speaker 4: was to like follow the lead of that, of this
Speaker 4: thing that they experienced, and a lot of we did
Speaker 4: press yesterday and a lot of like the outlets were like,
Speaker 4: so we heard you were abducted by an alien and
Speaker 4: I could since Demi next me like, okay, so we
Speaker 4: call them ets And it's uh decent clear as an
Speaker 4: abduction because that implies that you're taking without your consent
Speaker 4: and that the experience that Demi had was something that
Speaker 4: they willingly went along for it. And I think I
Speaker 4: think that some of that language contributes to like the
Speaker 4: fear behind the idea of UFOs, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: because it's unknown abducting taking you away.
Speaker 3: I do think there's some frightening aspects of it.
Speaker 4: There's like but I think the majority of it boils
Speaker 4: down to the fear of the unknown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I say, take me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: One of the questions was I got actually working on
Speaker 4: the show. One of the questions was, what would you
Speaker 4: say if you know, ETS came and wanted to take
Speaker 4: Demi away, but you know, back with them into space,
Speaker 4: And I was I would be I'd be thrilled because
Speaker 4: I know that's what Demi wants. And Rosie you could
Speaker 4: tag along and I would miss you both extremely a lot,
Speaker 4: but like, I'd be happy for you because I know
Speaker 4: that's where you want to be.
Speaker 1: I say, yes, take me up there exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so when Demi first told you about this
Speaker 2: experience in Joshua Tree where they believe it's possible that
Speaker 2: they were Wait, what did you say.
Speaker 1: We don't say abducted. What do we say?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't teleported, teleported, I went on a
Speaker 4: journey experienation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, vacation, there we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so Demi may have had a vacation to.
Speaker 3: Mars, vacation all they ever wanted.
Speaker 2: Yes, So when you first hear that, as as a
Speaker 2: close friend, what do you how did you react?
Speaker 1: What did you know?
Speaker 4: We've been friends for over ten years at this point,
Speaker 4: and we've kind of seen each other through everything, and
Speaker 4: there's there's a lot that we have in common, there's
Speaker 4: a lot that we don't have in common. There's we're
Speaker 4: very very different in a lot of ways, but we
Speaker 4: always kind of meet each other where where at and
Speaker 4: kind of try to teach and learn and participate in
Speaker 4: each other's lives as much as possible. So I was
Speaker 4: supposed to go on the Shashua Tree trip. I forget
Speaker 4: what happened. I think maybe I was working or something.
Speaker 4: I didn't go along, but when it was about a
Speaker 4: year ago, I guess now. When I came back, I
Speaker 4: went over to Demi's place, and Demi had really been
Speaker 4: into painting and what had painted the image of this
Speaker 4: kind of like planet that they had seen.
Speaker 3: And I was like, whoa, that painting's kind of amazing.
Speaker 4: And Demi's like, okay, so I've been wanting to tell
Speaker 4: you about this thing that happened to me and just
Speaker 4: follow me here, okay. And I was like okay, and
Speaker 4: they kind of explained, you know, and they go into
Speaker 4: detail in the show. I believe, you know, I haven't
Speaker 4: seen I'm so jealous you've seen the screener. I haven't
Speaker 4: even seen seen anything yet. But they kind of go
Speaker 4: into detail about what they experienced, and I try to
Speaker 4: stay as open minded as possible. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: I did come into the show is like the quote
Speaker 4: skeptic end quote because I hate to say it, or
Speaker 4: as I really really do like naturally how I am.
Speaker 4: I don't believe in ghosts, I don't believe in spirits,
Speaker 4: I don't believe in UFOs. Naturally how I am, which
Speaker 4: is so antithetical. Antithetical sure to like kind of my brand,
Speaker 4: I guess, because like if you walk into my place,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, a ghost bitch lives here as someone
Speaker 4: who like I have like Ouiji boards, and I'm like
Speaker 4: inviting the devil in. But like I've never had like
Speaker 4: a supernatural experience. And so when you know Demi was
Speaker 4: talking about this, you know, again, maybe this isn't supernatural,
Speaker 4: but Demi was talking about, you know, being taken to
Speaker 4: another place and seeing seeing things that they couldn't explain.
Speaker 4: But they were so happy and thrilled about it, and
Speaker 4: it was this really great experience and they were so
Speaker 4: they wanted me to share in the joy and happiness
Speaker 4: of it. And it wasn't until a few weeks later
Speaker 4: Demi was like, hey, NBC is doing a show about
Speaker 4: finding ets.
Speaker 3: Do you want to do it?
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, hell yeah, Like let's do this,
Speaker 4: like prove to me that they're real, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like I want to understand what you saw.
Speaker 4: I want to feel this happiness you're feeling. Take me
Speaker 4: along for the journey, prove prove it to me. You know,
Speaker 4: I think my personality is very like open and happy
Speaker 4: and bubbly and fun.
Speaker 3: I'm not like crossed arms or I'm like, prove it
Speaker 3: to me, bitch.
Speaker 4: Like that's like, that's like, that's not how I naturally am.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like I don't believe that, but I
Speaker 4: want to. Let's let's figure it out. And so I
Speaker 4: was anxious to go on this whole journey to you know,
Speaker 4: to figure out more of what they've been talking about
Speaker 4: and see for myself.
Speaker 2: See that's what I thought. I was afraid that you
Speaker 2: might be that person. Well because oh no.
Speaker 3: Is that edit bad? Oh no? Did they edit me
Speaker 3: that way?
Speaker 1: Oh no, Ron No, not at all.
Speaker 2: But when I first read that, like, you know, you're
Speaker 2: kind of painted as like the resident skeptic.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: And if we go back to like words and connotations
Speaker 2: and stuff. Skeptic is often people assume that that means, yeah,
Speaker 2: you think everything's fake, you think people lie about the
Speaker 2: suff or something like that, but it's really not. It's
Speaker 2: actually highly encouraged of paranormal investigators to be skeptical. You
Speaker 2: can't just believe everything that sure, start to be skeptical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was this guy.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. It's fantastic that I can't remember his name
Speaker 4: at this point. I'm talking about the show that I'm
Speaker 4: on with a podcast talking about the.
Speaker 3: Show but Unidentified.
Speaker 4: There on Unidentified, there's an episode in Arizona where we
Speaker 4: get like a UFO class basically from this guy who
Speaker 4: used to work for the British Ministry of Defense. You'll
Speaker 4: see in the episode a lot happened. It was overwhelming
Speaker 4: for me to remember all the details. But he was
Speaker 4: basically teaching us about UFOs and after he did the class,
Speaker 4: Deman he's.
Speaker 3: Like, what do you believe?
Speaker 4: And he was like, I'm undecided, but he said it
Speaker 4: like that, and to him, saying undecided was like a
Speaker 4: stamp of approval and validation, where it's like, I don't
Speaker 4: think these things necessarily aren't true. I think they may
Speaker 4: be true and I'm undecided, and that rang true with
Speaker 4: me where it's like, especially during the show working on it,
Speaker 4: and stuff was happening on camera and off camera that
Speaker 4: I was like, is this happening, and it was I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know what's happening. I know something
Speaker 4: is happening. I know something's out there. So I at
Speaker 4: that point what I have identified as undecided, and I
Speaker 4: still do to an extent.
Speaker 3: I think that's good that you pointed that out, though.
Speaker 4: I think the biggest turnoff for me in general of
Speaker 4: people or experiences is cynicism, you know, like people who
Speaker 4: are cynical and things like that, and that's I try.
Speaker 3: Not to put any of that energy in the world.
Speaker 4: So, like i'd say, I'm like a positive skeptic where
Speaker 4: I'm like, hmm, let's figure this out.
Speaker 3: Not like that's not true. It's like exactly what you said.
Speaker 1: Living in Los Angeles, it just tends to be a place.
Speaker 2: Who knows why, creative people, creative minds, open people, open experiences.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there's a lot of people out
Speaker 2: here that believe in this stuff. I can only assume
Speaker 2: that you've had many close friends that say that they've
Speaker 2: experienced ghosts or any of this stuff. I mean, so,
Speaker 2: how do you feel when you hear that from them?
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting since the show has been announced and
Speaker 4: you know, footage has come out, had kind of friends
Speaker 4: come out of the woodwork, and people in my dms
Speaker 4: being like, I've had an experience and now they feel
Speaker 4: like they can talk to me about it, Like in
Speaker 4: a way, I'm by no means an expert any of that,
Speaker 4: and I'm happy to listen, but I more and more
Speaker 4: people are starting to share their stories.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that.
Speaker 4: Those people and DEMI feel validated when the show comes out,
Speaker 4: because we talk to a lot of people in the
Speaker 4: show that have been afraid to speak about stuff that's
Speaker 4: happened to them, and frankly, it's kind of like ruined
Speaker 4: some of their lives in this way, that's like terribly sad.
Speaker 4: We talk to a few people in the show, Well
Speaker 4: you'll see how nervous they are to speak about it
Speaker 4: and emotional. Whether it's people who are like in the
Speaker 4: Air Force or we in this one episode, maybe it's
Speaker 4: someone that you saw we go to like an abduct
Speaker 4: t support group which was extremely intense where it's like
Speaker 4: it's a real support group of people who have experienced
Speaker 4: stuff and are talking about it.
Speaker 3: Again. I try to stay as like open minded as possible.
Speaker 4: I'm also an actor, so I lead with like empathy
Speaker 4: and trying to figure out why people feel the way
Speaker 4: that they feel, and kind of like you know, leading
Speaker 4: with that. So I always try to stay as open
Speaker 4: as possible. So wait, so you have never had a
Speaker 4: UFO experience of any kind?
Speaker 3: Is that right now?
Speaker 2: I actually, just like a month or less ago, just
Speaker 2: had my first experience. Wait really, yes, in se Alnah we.
Speaker 3: Shot there, we shot in Sodona.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's that might be the finale I think.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean I did just tell it on
Speaker 2: this podcast, but oh short, short, sweet version. Basically, I
Speaker 2: went on this like quote unquote UFO tour where they
Speaker 2: gave us those night vision binocular military grade whatever, and
Speaker 2: and we did the little the thing that you guys
Speaker 2: did in the first episode two with like little lasers
Speaker 2: you shoot up there and yeah, I have I actually
Speaker 2: have footage of these moving little dots of light that
Speaker 2: are floating or you know, flying around, and they're flying around,
Speaker 2: not unlike the planes and and anything else that's up
Speaker 2: there and they shine back at us, and Okay, pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, so you guys had some of that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff happen.
Speaker 3: Definitely an episode.
Speaker 4: It's like a hotspot there at one point, so much
Speaker 4: is happening in the sky that we couldn't even keep
Speaker 4: up with it, you know what I mean. And it's
Speaker 4: like we were kind of stationed at the top of
Speaker 4: this pyramid, at the kind of top of a mountain
Speaker 4: in a way, and we had cameras on us from
Speaker 4: all angles, and like me, Demi, this woman that we
Speaker 4: were with, and then Dallas, Demi's sister, we were all
Speaker 4: kind of looking in different directions and all of us
Speaker 4: were seeing separate stuff and we're like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the episodes. I don't know all what
Speaker 4: they ended up choosing to show. But like we're like
Speaker 4: yelling at the cameras like are you seeing this? And
Speaker 4: Demi's like no, no, no, you filmed this over here
Speaker 4: on the other side, like no, no, no, are you
Speaker 4: seeing this? And Dallas is like, oh, there's something over here.
Speaker 4: So it was just like God bless these camera guys.
Speaker 4: But it was just like so a flurry of stuff
Speaker 4: happening in the sky. It was it was kind of overwhelming.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe a lot of it was happening, and
Speaker 4: I'd be curious where iz to see if that stuff
Speaker 4: follows you. And what I mean by that is, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, in general, we find what we're looking for,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like we could talk in
Speaker 4: like a social media algorithm way where it's like we're
Speaker 4: just shown what we're interested in. But I think there's something.
Speaker 4: I think there's like a universe algorithm almost in a
Speaker 4: way where it's like if you're staring up at the
Speaker 4: sky for long enough and you are focused, the sky
Speaker 4: does start to move. And this is coming from like
Speaker 4: a sober skeptic person who just is just like staring
Speaker 4: up at the sky and have seen that happen. And
Speaker 4: I think, you know what DEMI believes in a lot
Speaker 4: of the people that we met with believe and I'm
Speaker 4: positively undecided, is that you know that's ets that are
Speaker 4: noticing us looking.
Speaker 3: At them, and then they start to show themselves more
Speaker 3: and more.
Speaker 4: Now, after we finished filming the show, my parents have
Speaker 4: been Palm Springs and let go stay at my parents'
Speaker 4: house one time, and they were actually out of town.
Speaker 3: I was sting at the house and I was in
Speaker 3: the pool in the backyard.
Speaker 4: I had a boy with me and we were just
Speaker 4: kind of swimming around in the pool at night, and
Speaker 4: I saw a shooting star and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my gosh, look a shooting star.
Speaker 4: And then he saw one on the other side too,
Speaker 4: and then we just started to see stuff, Like after
Speaker 4: a good twenty minutes, more stuff in the sky started
Speaker 4: moving and he was kind of freaking out, and I
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 3: They followed me. I was like, they followed me here?
Speaker 3: And because Demi had been telling me for over a
Speaker 3: year that that's what would happen. Now, are they following me?
Speaker 3: Or am I just more open to looking up at
Speaker 3: the sky? Is it all shooting stars?
Speaker 4: This is part of the reason I'm so anxious to
Speaker 4: see the show is because I couldn't believe what was happening.
Speaker 4: So I, frankly myself need to see the footage back
Speaker 4: because it was kind of unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, something that was pointed out to me
Speaker 2: when I was in Sedona is because I was like,
Speaker 2: does this happen everywhere?
Speaker 1: Or why is it here?
Speaker 2: And the expert tour guide person was saying that, yeah,
Speaker 2: it can happen, of course anywhere, and people have reported
Speaker 2: it happening in La. I mean I've even had people
Speaker 2: on this show. Chris colferd not that long ago, was
Speaker 2: talking on the show about seeing something like that in La.
Speaker 1: But there's there's smog and stuff up there, so who
Speaker 1: knows if they're up there.
Speaker 2: I can't always see stars at night in La, so
Speaker 2: I don't know they could be following me.
Speaker 4: Maybe one thing we were trying to figure out, and frankly,
Speaker 4: we needed more time. I mean, like I kind of
Speaker 4: want to go back to Sedona. How long you were
Speaker 4: there for? But we I felt like we weren't there
Speaker 4: for long enough. But we were talking about there being
Speaker 4: a vortex there and what a vortex means specifically, and
Speaker 4: what energy is drawn towards it, and kind of just
Speaker 4: like the energy of like the town in general is
Speaker 4: very like.
Speaker 3: It feels like a swirly mystical place.
Speaker 4: Just like even when you're there and you're like, yo,
Speaker 4: if like UFOs and ets exist, they're straight up coming
Speaker 4: to this place, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is like lack of
Speaker 3: light pollution in a way where.
Speaker 4: It's like that's, you know, such a beautiful place in
Speaker 4: the desert that seems like a hot spot la it
Speaker 4: can be trickier because of smog and light pollution and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 3: Palm Springs I could see, you know.
Speaker 4: I think Joshua Tree makes sense too, because it's the desert.
Speaker 4: So it's like you just get a clearer vision of
Speaker 4: the sky, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But that's when I tell my friends about going to Sedona,
Speaker 2: and some of them are like, are these Do you
Speaker 2: think that UFOs are on a payroll or something or
Speaker 2: do you think it's something else up there? Because it's
Speaker 2: a good tourism. You know, people are hearing us talking
Speaker 2: about it right now and they want to go to Sedona.
Speaker 2: So it's there was parts of it where I was like,
Speaker 2: this is good to be true. There's so many things
Speaker 2: up in this guy I was. I was very much
Speaker 2: in a similar situation as you guys, where I was like,
Speaker 2: now look over there, now look over there.
Speaker 1: There's so many of them?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 3: How long did that? I mean, how long were you
Speaker 3: there for before that started happening? Were you like looking
Speaker 3: up this right away? Right away.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, as soon as we put on the goggles,
Speaker 1: there's one it was like, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, Demi and I when the cameras were off the
Speaker 4: first night we stayed there, we just the two of
Speaker 4: us went out into the middle of the desert and
Speaker 4: laid down and played music and stared up at the
Speaker 4: sky and we saw all kinds of stuff. And so
Speaker 4: I don't know if producers or whatever we'll listen to
Speaker 4: and point to this podcast and hear me say that
Speaker 4: and be furious, but like it was this thing where
Speaker 4: it's like we were done shooting and we're going back
Speaker 4: to our rims and Demi's like, do you want to
Speaker 4: go out tonight? I was like yeah, And by that
Speaker 4: we meant like literally took our blankets up to like
Speaker 4: this mountain and stared and we're just like seeing so
Speaker 4: much stuff. And we were shooting the next night like
Speaker 4: it was going to be like the night where we
Speaker 4: had to look at stuff in the sky and we
Speaker 4: were like, oh man, we better see stuff because tonight
Speaker 4: we're seeing all this stuff that the cameras aren't getting,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And luckily the next night, though,
Speaker 4: just as much stuff shut up, if.
Speaker 1: Not more well, I think that they're Demi Lovato fans.
Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean we we interacted with a.
Speaker 4: I did have my first paranormal experience in my life
Speaker 4: with a ghost shooting the show, and we ran into
Speaker 4: a ghost named Carmen that I'm convinced is one of
Speaker 4: Demi's biggest fans.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what did you see a ghost experience? No,
Speaker 2: that was not part of this first episode that I watch.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: The main thing talking about from this is we went
Speaker 4: to this place. I mean, I'm going to try to
Speaker 4: tell you enough to tease you, but also to satisfy
Speaker 4: you because I love you.
Speaker 3: Who cares about the listeners?
Speaker 4: Just you? But like without and without giving away the
Speaker 4: entire episode, because this is the episode I'm anxious to
Speaker 4: see the most. We went to this place called Vulture
Speaker 4: City in Arizona. Have you ever heard of Vulture City before?
Speaker 3: By chance, I.
Speaker 1: Can't say I have.
Speaker 3: You know, I hadn't hear, And you.
Speaker 4: Know, we were saying, like a few hours away and
Speaker 4: we would like drive all the way to the middle
Speaker 4: of nowhere at this place called Vulture City, which is
Speaker 4: like a which is a UFO and ghost hot spot,
Speaker 4: Like this place is bonkers. It's an old gold mining
Speaker 4: town that has like a dark past and a scary history,
Speaker 4: and there are all kinds of rumors of things at
Speaker 4: Vulture City. There's the bones of giants that are buried.
Speaker 4: There is a one hundred and eighty foot d old
Speaker 4: mine that we stood on top of.
Speaker 3: That's a vortex and so much stuff.
Speaker 4: Right, so we're it looks like a Scooby Doo town,
Speaker 4: like in a way where it's like a little old
Speaker 4: western town. And there's part of the part of the
Speaker 4: Vulture City episode where we kind of split off and
Speaker 4: we were doing like ghost hunting essentially. Now, Demi and
Speaker 4: I have done that before. We did that at the
Speaker 4: Queen Mary, like back in like twenty twelve. I think
Speaker 4: that used to be on YouTube, but they took it off.
Speaker 4: I think we and it sort of you know when
Speaker 4: ghosts and try to find stuff. Wait, I have to
Speaker 4: tell both these stories now. Okay, So the three is
Speaker 4: the first time I ever had any kind of paranormal experience.
Speaker 4: I just turned myself into a liar because I just
Speaker 4: remember this of the Queen Mary. We like after the
Speaker 4: Queen Mary closed. Okay, So in Long Beach here in California.
Speaker 4: There's this old ship called the Queen Mary that now
Speaker 4: you can stay stay at, stay in like a hotel,
Speaker 4: and every year for Halloween they do like a spooky
Speaker 4: Queen Mary thing. Well, one year, I want to say
Speaker 4: it was like twenty twelve or twenty thirteen. One year
Speaker 4: after it closed, like like late at night, like one
Speaker 4: or two in the morning, Demi and I went in
Speaker 4: there with a camera crew. I don't know why, well
Speaker 4: we did, and we were like ghost hunting essentially in
Speaker 4: the in the Queen Mary, and we like, you know,
Speaker 4: there are all these stories of like people who tried
Speaker 4: to stow away on board but that got crushed by
Speaker 4: the engines and now they're ghosts like haunted the boat.
Speaker 4: There's some really sad stories out some women that were
Speaker 4: assaulted and potentially murdered by like sailors that like haunt
Speaker 4: the ship.
Speaker 3: Like all kinds. There's all kinds of stuff there.
Speaker 4: The only thing I saw there was I took a
Speaker 4: burst like a photo where it's like you have like
Speaker 4: take like ten pictures at once, you know that thing.
Speaker 4: And we were at this like underground pool in the
Speaker 4: Queen Mary. I took a burst picture. Didn't think anything
Speaker 4: of it. It wasn't until later when I left and
Speaker 4: came back home. I was looking at the burst photos
Speaker 4: and ros I swear, and I'll text.
Speaker 3: This to you.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if there's a postable way for this,
Speaker 4: but yes there is. You can see the burst and
Speaker 4: there's four pictures where there's nothing, and then in one
Speaker 4: picture there is a hooded figure up in the corner.
Speaker 1: A hooded figure.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Now the argument is, you know, if we're being if
Speaker 4: we're being a cynical skeptic like me, like one of
Speaker 4: the argument kind of here is Okay, it's some worker
Speaker 4: there in a hoodie who just appeared.
Speaker 3: But you know what, girl, this is. These are burst photos,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So like all these were taken at the exact same second,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and only one of them
Speaker 4: has this shrouded person up in the corner.
Speaker 3: I will send you the pictures, I.
Speaker 2: Know, right, But when I think of because I've heard
Speaker 2: a lot of these stories about the Queen Mary and
Speaker 2: the history and that's and all this stuff, but who's
Speaker 2: got I never hear about no hooded figure.
Speaker 3: You know what it is?
Speaker 4: I don't know because we left at that point, and
Speaker 4: it was only when I went back and looked at
Speaker 4: the pictures, it was like, you know, it was like
Speaker 4: it was a movie and we were going ghost hunting
Speaker 4: and didn't find anything, and then you think the movie's over.
Speaker 4: And then the very very end of the movie, we
Speaker 4: look at the pictures and it's like and then it's credits,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it was very bad.
Speaker 4: So like we didn't get a chance to and I
Speaker 4: don't I don't know why I didn't follow up or whatever,
Speaker 4: but I do have I'll send those to you.
Speaker 3: So that was like Diana's first like paranormal experience.
Speaker 4: However, a couple months ago, when we were in Vulture City,
Speaker 4: which play this place is so legit. When we got there,
Speaker 4: there were some Indigenous people there who do protection ceremonies
Speaker 4: when people come to visit. So even when we got there,
Speaker 4: we had to bring like an offering, and they did
Speaker 4: like a protect action ceremony the entire time that we
Speaker 4: were there. So this was not I don't even know
Speaker 4: if that's going to be on camera. They the whole
Speaker 4: time we were there, cameras on, cameras off. They were
Speaker 4: by a fire and chanting and doing a protection ceremony
Speaker 4: over us because these a couple of the descendants of
Speaker 4: the indigenous people who have lived there forever.
Speaker 3: This one guy was telling me.
Speaker 4: He was like, you know, we call them the star
Speaker 4: people out here, and by the star people, he was
Speaker 4: meaning UFOs essentially, because he told us stories of his
Speaker 4: grandmother who and he has a memory of this is
Speaker 4: a tiny, tiny that like a silver disc would come
Speaker 4: down from the sky and then the grandma would tell
Speaker 4: them all to go inside, and then she would speak
Speaker 4: with them somehow, then it would go away. And you know,
Speaker 4: there are other people who can corroborate that story. Now
Speaker 4: he holds on too, and what he says is, my
Speaker 4: grandmother never owned a television, ever actually read a book,
Speaker 4: She never saw a movie. She would never had seen
Speaker 4: any kind of reference from pop culture to tell her
Speaker 4: that what she saw, you know, was or wasn't a
Speaker 4: spying saucer ufo kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And they were all deadly serious about this.
Speaker 4: And the grandma called them the star people, and she
Speaker 4: would speak to the star people. Right. So we were
Speaker 4: there in Vulture City to potentially figure out is our
Speaker 4: ghosts and ets our star people, our angels are spirits,
Speaker 4: are they all the same thing? Are they separate things
Speaker 4: so they work together? Are they you know, BFFs in
Speaker 4: some ultimate dimension? Is one true and one's not?
Speaker 3: You know kind of thing. So that we were there
Speaker 3: to investigate all that. Now I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: you the answer that question.
Speaker 4: Because you got to watch the show girl, But that
Speaker 4: was what that was, like the purpose of being there.
Speaker 4: And there is this haunted brothel there where there were
Speaker 4: these three women who were prostitutes who would you know,
Speaker 4: work with the miners there back like one hundred years ago,
Speaker 4: and their name were Maria Lillian Carmen, and we we
Speaker 4: were going to go into this brothel. Right at the
Speaker 4: time of shooting, Demi didn't openly identify as non binary.
Speaker 4: If you watch the episodes, probably I do it too.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people are going to seemingly misgender them,
Speaker 4: but they're going to be describing Demi as she and
Speaker 4: as her and a lot of what we were kind
Speaker 4: of taught along the way, some to my chagrin, was
Speaker 4: very gendered in a way. But this brothel was welcoming
Speaker 4: to quote women end quote, and was not welcoming to men.
Speaker 4: And so the idea was Demi was going to go
Speaker 4: in there, because Demi's the quote girl, end quote. And
Speaker 4: so Demi's going to go in there and try to
Speaker 4: speak with one of these spirits, to talk to either Lily,
Speaker 4: Carmen or Maria. And you know, there were cameras in there.
Speaker 4: Of course, I very quickly forgot that they were there,
Speaker 4: frankly the entire shoot, because they did a good job
Speaker 4: of kind of hiding themselves, and what we were dealing
Speaker 4: with was so riveting and very present that they kind
Speaker 4: of seem superfluous in a way.
Speaker 3: But we Deman I go into with this like.
Speaker 4: This paranormal investigator dude, so whose name escapes me at
Speaker 4: this point, sorry, But the three of us go in
Speaker 4: there together and they set up all these like ghost
Speaker 4: hunting machines that like light up, and this one music
Speaker 4: box that lights up that apparently when a spirit is around,
Speaker 4: it communicates through that. So if so, of ras, if
Speaker 4: you were a ghost and I walked into your haunted
Speaker 4: bedroom and I was like, is roz here? And then
Speaker 4: the box would light up because you from beyond would
Speaker 4: put your ghost energy.
Speaker 3: Into letting up the box to communicate with us.
Speaker 4: Now, when we got to Vultra City, the indigenous people
Speaker 4: there and the people who currently own the place warned
Speaker 4: us and off camera were like, just so you know,
Speaker 4: the ghosts get very excited when you're here, and they
Speaker 4: use the energy from the lights and the batteries from
Speaker 4: the camera. So you have to be prepared because you're
Speaker 4: going to have to be replacing the batteries a lot
Speaker 4: while you're here because the ghosts are going to use
Speaker 4: the energy.
Speaker 3: And I will confirm that that is what we found
Speaker 3: while we were there.
Speaker 4: Continuously the cameras had to put more batteries in and
Speaker 4: reset and what did not occur for any other place
Speaker 4: that we shot. So that, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 4: how you explained that. I guess I'm undecided, but like
Speaker 4: that was pretty intense and amazing. So there was we
Speaker 4: go into the brothel and we start trying to communicate
Speaker 4: with I'm going to tease this and not tell too
Speaker 4: much because I would love to tell the whole story,
Speaker 4: but you just have to see it, and I'm so
Speaker 4: anxious to see this episode. But essentially, you know, Demi
Speaker 4: started asking Demi chose to communicate with them, and Demi
Speaker 4: was like.
Speaker 3: Hi, is Lily here, Silence, is Maria here? Nothing?
Speaker 4: Is Carmen here BBBBBBB the things start going off, and
Speaker 4: from there, I'm getting goose.
Speaker 3: I'm's just thinking about it.
Speaker 4: That experience was so insane to watch my best friend
Speaker 4: have a full on conversation.
Speaker 3: With this I'm not like Roz.
Speaker 4: I feel like I know Carmen now, like the way
Speaker 4: that they communicated and the questions that were asked and
Speaker 4: what happens in that conversation and what happens at the
Speaker 4: end of that episode. I miss Carmen like they're a person,
Speaker 4: like when they were and she was but like I
Speaker 4: I and she communicates with us. You can kind of
Speaker 4: see in the trailer a little bit, and I'm so
Speaker 4: anxious for you to see the episode and for everyone
Speaker 4: to see it, because that was a very like thrilling,
Speaker 4: exhilarating I'm gonna look scared in the footage, but it
Speaker 4: was a very like profound, intense present thing. What happens
Speaker 4: with their communication. It was really That's like I walked
Speaker 4: away from Shooting un Identified thinking, like I'm undecided about UFOs.
Speaker 4: I think in ets, I know something is out there.
Speaker 4: I can certain stuff happens come increetley that I described
Speaker 4: in the last episode that you will see. But my
Speaker 4: major takeaway, especially from the night was I talked to
Speaker 4: a ghost, you know what I mean, Like, I straight
Speaker 4: up talked to a ghost and I was like, honestly,
Speaker 4: I was trying to set them up. I was like, Demi,
Speaker 4: you and Carmen have serious chemistry. You should like, oh
Speaker 4: love or I was like, you should do like do
Speaker 4: you want a duet? You can sing together? Like That's
Speaker 4: like where my brain was.
Speaker 2: Going, like, oh my god, that is a good plan
Speaker 2: right there. Den Levado featuring Carmen the.
Speaker 3: Ghost, Yeah, yeah, sort of band.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So do you think that there was a correlation in
Speaker 2: Vulture City between these particular spirits and the ets or
Speaker 2: what did you What kind of conclusion did you come to?
Speaker 4: Carmen had a very concrete conclusion when we asked her
Speaker 4: that question.
Speaker 3: And you're going to have to watch the show.
Speaker 2: Yes, God, you are good at selling this well. I saw,
Speaker 2: you know, I only saw the first episode, but one
Speaker 2: of the things I like so much about it was
Speaker 2: that it's like it's kind of educational. It's quite educational,
Speaker 2: you guys. In just the first episode, you guys got
Speaker 2: into so many different things. You went to a lot
Speaker 2: of different places, and you you learned and I as well.
Speaker 2: I mean I know a decent amount about this stuff,
Speaker 2: but I didn't even know. Like when you guys went
Speaker 2: to to Hanga, you met these guys that were telling
Speaker 2: you about this same sex female couple in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: Sarah Shaw and Jan Whitley, which I looked this up.
Speaker 2: Those are pseudonyms, but either way, they apparently were abducted
Speaker 2: or you know, had these experiences, which I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, now I know about this story. And the
Speaker 2: UFO bros, right, those were the guys that you guys
Speaker 2: were with, And you know, you guys also get into
Speaker 2: the whole regression therapy situation, which that was pretty pretty
Speaker 2: cool to watch. I guess I've never watched a session
Speaker 2: of something like that. But how where are you at
Speaker 2: on on something like that? Regression hypnotherapy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, regressive hypnotherapy. You know, I obviously didn't know anything
Speaker 4: about it. I think one of the I think half
Speaker 4: the people who watch the show will probably be UFO
Speaker 4: fans who are drawn to ET stuff and the other half,
Speaker 4: maybe more than half actually, or fans of DEMI who
Speaker 4: who just want to have fun with them and experience
Speaker 4: them more, and I think both of those types of
Speaker 4: fans will be satisfied.
Speaker 3: With this show.
Speaker 4: And if you're somewhere in the middle, you follow along
Speaker 4: with me. I feel like because I kind of come
Speaker 4: into it, you know, a little bit of both. I
Speaker 4: guess in a way a lot of bit of fan
Speaker 4: of Demi obviously, but like, you know, you can kind
Speaker 4: of learn things through me because I, you know, I
Speaker 4: was like the novice also, like the people who work
Speaker 4: on the show and a lot of the camera ops
Speaker 4: and things like that believed in everything already. So I
Speaker 4: felt like at certain times, I'm like, am I the
Speaker 4: only one who like I felt like I had to
Speaker 4: catch up with a lot of stuff, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? And with aggressive hypnotherapy, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: mean that was Dallas and I were kind of watching
Speaker 4: off from the side. So regressive hypnotherapy is basically like
Speaker 4: Demi going into a hypnotic state to kind of relive
Speaker 4: the Joshua Tree experience that we've been talking about earlier
Speaker 4: and try to clarify if that were quote in abduction
Speaker 4: end quote.
Speaker 3: What's inter being is?
Speaker 4: I know Demi very well, so it's like a lot
Speaker 4: of the answers that Demi ha for that stuff. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I don't know if it's in the
Speaker 4: episode or not, but I would kind of say them
Speaker 4: before Demi did her at the same time in Dallas,
Speaker 4: and I would kind of giggle because.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I thought kind of half of it
Speaker 3: was kind of silly, like I thought half it was.
Speaker 4: Like this isn't gonna work, like this is moah, and
Speaker 4: another half of it was like I was very nervous,
Speaker 4: and I think nervous in a kind of way where
Speaker 4: it's like Demi's undergoing hypnotherapy on camera and Demi's been
Speaker 4: through a lot of dark stuff, and I don't, you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't want a lot of that to come out,
Speaker 4: and I didn't know if it would go in that direction.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that, you know, a lot of it was
Speaker 4: going in more of like a positive direction, I guess,
Speaker 4: or things that Demi wants to talk about.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the major things.
Speaker 4: That we were asked in like the press or Demi
Speaker 4: was for sure, was you know, the idea that whatever
Speaker 4: the experience was, it was these beings were I think
Speaker 4: the light doctors is the word that the description of them,
Speaker 4: but they were trying to protect Demi from themselves. And
Speaker 4: you know, I think Demi and in therapy kind of
Speaker 4: hypnotherapy and you see it on camera, kind of comes
Speaker 4: up with that themselves, and they were kind of like
Speaker 4: I think, you know, maybe these beings out in space
Speaker 4: or wherever are trying to or trying to help me
Speaker 4: and protect me. And then the woman who's running the
Speaker 4: sessions like from what. And I think, I literally I
Speaker 4: think I remember whispering to Dallas like you know, I
Speaker 4: think I said herself at the time, of course, but.
Speaker 3: You know, themselves kind of thing. So I think, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think.
Speaker 4: Were there like doctor et beings communicating through the hypnotherapy.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think necessarily that.
Speaker 4: I think it's more of like an intuitive thing that
Speaker 4: was kind of validated through Demi for that. But that
Speaker 4: whole experience was kind of you know, I was on
Speaker 4: edge pretty much the whole time because I didn't know
Speaker 4: what was about to happen, you know, like I'm I'm
Speaker 4: an actor who's used to being in front of camera
Speaker 4: and on set.
Speaker 3: That's how Demi and I met.
Speaker 4: We were on the same Disney Channel show and so like,
Speaker 4: you know, this is my very first time doing anything.
Speaker 3: That was quote reality television end quote. I know.
Speaker 4: I think we called like a documentary series a lot
Speaker 4: of it, but I was like wondering how much was
Speaker 4: going to be read, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh, is this going to be produced?
Speaker 4: Like are they going to make stuff up? And my
Speaker 4: takeaway from it was that nothing was produced. Nothing was
Speaker 4: faked at all. I mean, all of that was really
Speaker 4: happening in the moment they had like an artist sketching
Speaker 4: it right there. I mean like a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: we weren't prepped for as well, So it's like I
Speaker 4: didn't know what I was walking into At certain points,
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going to be happening.
Speaker 3: So what you.
Speaker 4: Experienced there is very The experience itself was very real
Speaker 4: and unplanned and fresh.
Speaker 3: We never did a second take on anything. There was
Speaker 3: none of that.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if that's something people would question,
Speaker 4: I guess, but like what you see is what you
Speaker 4: get there. And Demi's also a person who's not the
Speaker 4: kind who fakes anything like that's like, that's not demi'sm
Speaker 4: you know what I mean like at all, So that
Speaker 4: all that stuff was very very real.
Speaker 2: Well, and something that I know that you guys also
Speaker 2: experienced through this process is I've talked to hundreds of
Speaker 2: people with stories, and sometimes when you hear these stories
Speaker 2: that are so incredible, you can pick up people's vibes,
Speaker 2: you can pick up or there's something call it paranormal
Speaker 2: or whatever your instincts tell you like, I don't think
Speaker 2: this person making this up, and this is like a
Speaker 2: very incredible thing that I'm hearing right now, and that
Speaker 2: can really do a number on you in terms of
Speaker 2: your beliefs and being like, well, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: kind of believe this one. I mean, you guys went
Speaker 2: to in this first episode, this woman that has been abducted,
Speaker 2: and I guess we don't have to spoil that whole
Speaker 2: situation to Geraldine. Yes, and she's had some pretty remarkable
Speaker 2: things that she had happened to her, and I mean
Speaker 2: it I believed.
Speaker 4: I mean that was being tossed in the deep end there,
Speaker 4: because that was one of the very first things that
Speaker 4: we did. And so I mean, I don't even know
Speaker 4: what to say about that because like we I don't
Speaker 4: know what's made into the episode because we had a
Speaker 4: very long conversation and everything kept getting more.
Speaker 3: Intense, you know what I mean with did it make
Speaker 3: it in the drawings that she did of her children?
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, also whom I who am
Speaker 3: I to question anyone's experience?
Speaker 4: Really, I know, cast is this here, But like, especially
Speaker 4: a woman's experience, it's not my place to question any
Speaker 4: of that at all. I want to honor their experience
Speaker 4: and hear what they have to say. And but that
Speaker 4: was that was It was a lot to take in.
Speaker 4: She's been through some very very intense stuff, and you know,
Speaker 4: she has a lot of children that live all over
Speaker 4: the galaxy that she drew for us.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you said, my I wear
Speaker 3: my heart on my face.
Speaker 4: It's very hard for me to hide what I'm feeling.
Speaker 4: I guess this entire show is just me with my
Speaker 4: jaw on the floor for like four hours straight. But
Speaker 4: like when she showed us these pictures of her her
Speaker 4: et children, I mean, it was I'm so sorry, but
Speaker 4: it was horrifying.
Speaker 3: Now, that was scary. That was very very scary because
Speaker 3: they look really scary, like they.
Speaker 1: Let also with your children, So you.
Speaker 4: Have to be like, I know, I really I mean,
Speaker 4: like what you watched an episode is me fighting to
Speaker 4: be like ah, but like on the inside, I'm going
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it was that walked
Speaker 4: away from that interview like shaking because we were like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like.
Speaker 2: Well basically I wasn't gonna say, but basically she has
Speaker 2: hybrid children with aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that yes does happy it sucks.
Speaker 4: Did it make it into the episode? The woman at
Speaker 4: the abduction support group, her name was Barb. It's this
Speaker 4: like older white woman. Did she make it into the episode?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure there was this woman.
Speaker 3: I'll just say this.
Speaker 4: There was this woman there who just this quiet, sweet,
Speaker 4: sweet old lady who was part of the people in
Speaker 4: this abduction support group. Again with what you were saying
Speaker 4: about like you just feel this thing, It's like why
Speaker 4: would this person make this stuff up? Or like you know,
Speaker 4: everyone there, it felt very, very genuine and this woman
Speaker 4: has stayed with me. This woman bar because she was
Speaker 4: in the support group. Is because she would go to
Speaker 4: I don't even know, I forget even how to describe it,
Speaker 4: like up to like the sky or out in space
Speaker 4: or an other dimension, whateverever she chose to the words
Speaker 4: we chose to use there because she would nurse her
Speaker 4: hybrid children. And she said she had twenty four children
Speaker 4: and that they loved her and that of course, and
Speaker 4: they described her at ros this is stuck with me
Speaker 4: as this smoothest mommy in the universe. And her reason
Speaker 4: for being in the support group was because and it
Speaker 4: kind of breaks my heart to say this, and I
Speaker 4: have as much empathy as I can to I cannot
Speaker 4: understand what this, any of this feels like, but I
Speaker 4: send it to really do.
Speaker 3: She didn't really want to be on earth.
Speaker 4: She wanted to be with them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like she didn't want to be walking through this human
Speaker 4: experience because she had so much more joy nursing these
Speaker 4: twenty four hybrid babies somewhere else. And she and some
Speaker 4: of the people in the support group were that were
Speaker 4: that where they had been through. Some of the had
Speaker 4: really traumatic stuff happened to them. You know, I talked,
Speaker 4: we talked to a lot of people in this have
Speaker 4: positive and negative experiences. Demis would thankfully very very positive.
Speaker 4: And but half the people's support group, their experience had
Speaker 4: been so positive that they were dealing with going through
Speaker 4: everyday life, going to Trader Joe's parking their cars, walking
Speaker 4: down the street, knowing that there's this other thing out
Speaker 4: there that brings them more joy and they feel more
Speaker 4: connected to And that was one of those days where
Speaker 4: I did not know we were walking into that.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was going to be happening.
Speaker 4: And I could have sat there for hours and hours
Speaker 4: and hours taking in all that stuff because I've never
Speaker 4: been in a situation like that. I'm sure the majority
Speaker 4: of the audience watching the shows has never been in
Speaker 4: a situation like that. And that blew me away, and
Speaker 4: those things that Ball said have stuck with me, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, because like this woman, you know,
Speaker 4: if we're talking skeptic, if we're talking cynicism, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be like, here's just me and this stuff to be
Speaker 4: on TV.
Speaker 3: But like, no, that wasn't the case, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, there was this sweet old woman who had been
Speaker 4: through something that she was brave enough to share with
Speaker 4: all of us, and whether I understand it or people
Speaker 4: believe it or not, this was something that was real
Speaker 4: to her that she needed to share as part of
Speaker 4: the support group, and it just happened to be that
Speaker 4: she would much rather be with her hybrid children that
Speaker 4: were out in space, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like that was and that's episode one.
Speaker 3: That's the first episode.
Speaker 1: When I went to Sedona.
Speaker 2: The woman that was leading the thing I was doing,
Speaker 2: she identified as an abductee. I think once or twice
Speaker 2: she has been abducted. And I said to her, does
Speaker 2: it happen where people go on these tours and they
Speaker 2: get abducted? Because I, like, I don't really want that,
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh no, it's great. She's like, don't
Speaker 2: you have nothing to fear. She's like it's wonderful, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess. I mean, especially during
Speaker 2: the pandemic, I would have loved my trip.
Speaker 3: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Have you seen that show before?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah.
Speaker 3: What makes me think of it is when I.
Speaker 4: Mean spoiler alert, that show was in nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 4: to two thousand and three, So I think we're good.
Speaker 4: But when Buffy dies at the end of season five
Speaker 4: and presumably goes to Hell, and Willow and everyone else
Speaker 4: in the show do spell to bring Buffy back from
Speaker 4: Hell when she dies, But then Buffy comes back from
Speaker 4: from death and she's miserable because she wasn't in hell,
Speaker 4: she was in heaven, and everyone just assumed that she
Speaker 4: was in hell. It makes me think of that because
Speaker 4: it's like that again is the pop culture thing and
Speaker 4: maybe even you know, some of the negative connotation with
Speaker 4: the idea of abductee where it's like it's going to
Speaker 4: be fire in the sky, what's that movie whatever it
Speaker 4: is where it's like you're getting proed and needled and
Speaker 4: you know you have missing all very scary and that stuff.
Speaker 4: We deal with that stuff on the show and talk
Speaker 4: about it quite a bit, and that's definitely a thing,
Speaker 4: but like you know, not all of it is for
Speaker 4: those people, like they were there in their version of
Speaker 4: whatever heaven is when that happens, and that's you know,
Speaker 4: if you had the option to be in heaven or
Speaker 4: on earth, where would you want to be?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean kind of thing.
Speaker 1: What also makes you think maybe there's.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I think we almost all have
Speaker 2: this idea like they're all from the same place and
Speaker 2: they all come down here, but like there could be people,
Speaker 2: they could be from all over who knows where, and
Speaker 2: you could end up getting taken away to one of
Speaker 2: the bad parts of the galaxy, or you can be
Speaker 2: taken to the nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Carmen has some stuff to say about
Speaker 4: that in the Vulture City episode, so tune in.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of ghosts and communication, can I play you
Speaker 2: some ghost voices.
Speaker 3: Please? I wish you would.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for e TV plice. Do you know
Speaker 1: what a EVP is?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: I do, Okay, Electronic voice phenomena. So I go to
Speaker 2: YouTube and I find people's EVPs that they believe they've captured,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna play you two of them, and I'll
Speaker 2: have you guess what you hear, and then i'll give
Speaker 2: you the answer, or I'll give you a couple of options,
Speaker 2: and the correct answer is what the ghost hunter believes
Speaker 2: it says. Okay, cool, gosh, all right, here's the first one.
Speaker 2: This one is from Paranormal Victoria on YouTube, and it's
Speaker 2: at an abandoned factory. I don't know anything else other
Speaker 2: than that, and it's allegedly a ghost talking.
Speaker 1: So tell me what you hear. Okay, I'm I'll play
Speaker 1: it again. Do you hear it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's someone speak, someone saying, oh, I don't know
Speaker 4: what that is. It makes me think of like an
Speaker 4: exorcism audio.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, Oh my god, that audio you guys play of
Speaker 2: Betty and Barney Hills. That's absolutely yeah chilling. Okay, back
Speaker 2: to this one. We played again.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I'm sorry one more time. Okay, some options now,
Speaker 4: I think it's et stuff. Yes, I want options.
Speaker 1: Okay. Is it a oh I'm talking? It could be
Speaker 1: a drag queen. I don't know. Is it B boy?
Speaker 1: Don't touch me? Is it c Oi I'm talking to you?
Speaker 1: Or D one taco? Okay, let me play it.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it sounds like a and it's like
Speaker 4: Lawrence Cheney or like a UK drag queen.
Speaker 1: It does sound.
Speaker 2: It does sound British. Oh I'm talking. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: It could be a drag queen factory. Oh we know
Speaker 2: this is an abandoned factory.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna say it's the oil. I'm talking to
Speaker 3: you one.
Speaker 1: That is what they believe. It says.
Speaker 4: Oi.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you and I can hear it.
Speaker 3: I can hear it. I can hear it.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm talking to you. Yeah, okay, let me play
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 2: Another wild western mining town goes. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 2: some great you know, if you go to Nevada, you
Speaker 2: go to Arizona. There's a lot of these towns. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of history.
Speaker 3: And this one's experience. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This one's from Virginia City, Nevada, at a place called
Speaker 2: the Washow Club. And this is in the bathroom this person.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: This was posted by Sooner Jet one four on YouTube.
Speaker 2: They were in the bathroom, they're recording. They didn't hear
Speaker 2: this at the time, but then when they played it back,
Speaker 2: kind of like your Queen Mary photograph, they look back
Speaker 2: at it later and they heard they heard this right here.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a different one. This one's like deeper
Speaker 2: and louder. When we played again, yeah.
Speaker 4: Again, okay, I think it's like a deep whisper. Yeah,
Speaker 4: how does how does it sound so deep and a
Speaker 4: whisper at the same time?
Speaker 1: I know, Okay, then here we go.
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's going It was trying to get your
Speaker 3: attention in the bathroom. Wow.
Speaker 4: I was hoping to be like Ebie please, But I
Speaker 4: don't think that that sounds very frightening and real. I know.
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some options.
Speaker 3: Okay, is it a burning?
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a democratic Socialist ghost. I don't know they're
Speaker 2: voting for Bernie.
Speaker 1: Is it b burning? Which I don't know. If the
Speaker 1: pan it's none of my business.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is the c furry? Which again I don't know what
Speaker 1: they could be talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't happened in this bathroom?
Speaker 1: Okay, exactly. It could be a furry ghost somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: where's the costumes? Or is it D girl please?
Speaker 3: Okay? Oh oh, I hope that it's d Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, now it's tune in. Here we go now that
Speaker 2: we know it could be one of those here it
Speaker 2: is one of those.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 3: I was really I was praying for girl please. I
Speaker 3: wanted it to sound like girl please. But it doesn't
Speaker 3: to me. I think like burning? Right it is?
Speaker 1: They believe it says burning? Okay, let's do it again.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, that sounds like like no shade at all.
Speaker 4: But that sounds like we're in spirit Halloween. We're pressing
Speaker 4: things that makes sound to make noise, and there is
Speaker 4: some like shaking scarecrow on fire or something that says something.
Speaker 3: Like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And I live.
Speaker 3: I live for Spirit Halloween, so like that's not that's
Speaker 3: not a dink, that's a compliment.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna do if I get abducted, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna open a Spirit Halloween on Mark. Well, Matthew, you've
Speaker 2: been so generous with your time. I think I think
Speaker 2: that's about it from that for now.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 2: I hope you come back when the second season comes out,
Speaker 2: because I would love to come back.
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 4: I mean now, I'm you know, I do feel like
Speaker 4: I wink at the sky even more than I did before.
Speaker 4: I've always been like a full moon person where I
Speaker 4: love I do like a whole full moon ritual. I
Speaker 4: guess you'd probably say that earlier, but like every night
Speaker 4: of a full moon, I just there's a thing that
Speaker 4: I do that's basically just like me walking around la
Speaker 4: late at night, listening to a playlist, and then I
Speaker 4: jump completely naked in the sky, so like the only
Speaker 4: thing touching my body is full moonlight.
Speaker 3: I do that once a month.
Speaker 1: But you get fully naked my friends in the neighbor
Speaker 1: in your neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like when I first moved to and
Speaker 4: it's not like when I first moved to La I
Speaker 4: lived near the Hollywood Sign and I would climb to
Speaker 4: the top of my building and still on the roof
Speaker 4: under a full moon, I would stare at the Hollywood
Speaker 4: Sign and like pray literally to God and stare at
Speaker 4: the full moon and be like, I'm gonna make this
Speaker 4: city my own, you know, Like it was like a
Speaker 4: very like you know, I also felt like there's a
Speaker 4: queerness part of that as well, where it's like I
Speaker 4: didn't fully get to be myself until I moved out here,
Speaker 4: and so I kind of created this thing on my own,
Speaker 4: which to me was like a monthly check in with God.
Speaker 4: It felt like where it's like I spend this full
Speaker 4: moon time to recharge me for the next month. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not a crystal person, you know, I have some
Speaker 4: Demi's really big into that, and a lot of people
Speaker 4: are and go for it, do you That's not necessarily
Speaker 4: my thing. I don't know a lot about astrology, I
Speaker 4: you know, with like zodiac and stuff like that, but
Speaker 4: I do kind of naturally do this full moon thing
Speaker 4: that it turned into me sitting on the roof, to
Speaker 4: me going for a walk, and then my friend Riley
Speaker 4: told me Riley's just really cool in general in every
Speaker 4: kind of way. And Riley grew up on this island
Speaker 4: where they would they it was Riley's I stole this
Speaker 4: from Riley.
Speaker 3: I really did, thank you, Riley.
Speaker 4: But Riley, as a little kid, would go into the
Speaker 4: middle of this field under full moon, would take off
Speaker 4: all their clothes and would jump up in the air,
Speaker 4: so the only thing touching their bodies full moonlight, just
Speaker 4: for a second. And I thought that was kind of
Speaker 4: like charming and romantic and fun. So I started doing
Speaker 4: that a few years ago, and now I do that
Speaker 4: once a month. I usually go behind my building and
Speaker 4: West hollywoodn't do it. No one even blinks here, no
Speaker 4: one even cares. And I've done it whenever it's a
Speaker 4: full moon. I've done it in Africa. I've done it
Speaker 4: in Amsterdam, I've.
Speaker 3: Done it in Hawaii. I've done it like all kinds
Speaker 3: of places.
Speaker 4: And I noticed since I've gotten back from shooting on
Speaker 4: identified when my full moon walk was early this week,
Speaker 4: I find it's shifted a bit in the way that
Speaker 4: I'm It was me just looking towards the moon for
Speaker 4: a while and listening to music, and now it's me
Speaker 4: looking to the entire sky, and especially since I was
Speaker 4: in Palm Springs and saw some swirly stuff in the sky,
Speaker 4: you know, just a couple months ago.
Speaker 3: I'm looking.
Speaker 4: I look forward to now my full moontime and skytime
Speaker 4: even more to see what's out there. So I would
Speaker 4: be anxious to return to this podcast maybe another time
Speaker 4: next year a few months, and I would hope to
Speaker 4: have even more things to share with you from stuff
Speaker 4: that I've seen.
Speaker 1: Well okay, but here's the thing.
Speaker 2: So when you're when you open up that communication or whatever,
Speaker 2: a lot of people would be like, well, don't be
Speaker 2: surprised if they take you up there or who knows
Speaker 2: what you could be Yeah, having a bunch of kids
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So are you open to all of
Speaker 1: it or how does that work for you?
Speaker 4: I think I've definitely been open to spirits and ghosts
Speaker 4: in that aspect where it's like I've definitely been open
Speaker 4: to you know, I've played with Wuigi boards before and
Speaker 4: my mom is not thrilled about that. And I have
Speaker 4: friends like, you know, you're latting the devil in right.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm welcoming whatever. In ghost wise, I've
Speaker 4: been always like a ghost. Ye, So with this UFO
Speaker 4: stuff and like spending more time starting up with the sky,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's interesting. I feel this like sense
Speaker 4: of a vague sense of like mutual respect where it's
Speaker 4: like if there are things out there, they know that that's.
Speaker 3: Not my jam.
Speaker 4: In a way, it's like I think they know if
Speaker 4: they're there and they're looking back and they're showing themselves
Speaker 4: to me, I think they know where. It's like we
Speaker 4: got each other, but you don't want to come up
Speaker 4: and visit us. I think with the DEMI, they're going
Speaker 4: to take them right away, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 4: I think that's really open. I think the energy I
Speaker 4: put out there is I see you, I hear you.
Speaker 4: What's what's up girl? I'm not ready for that yet
Speaker 4: and I'm good done here, but I see you and
Speaker 4: what's up?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's
Speaker 3: the energy I'm putting out.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: The thing I always say about them is that they're
Speaker 2: clearly so smart, like way smarter than us, way smarter
Speaker 2: than us.
Speaker 1: And most people that have these stories talk about it
Speaker 1: being a.
Speaker 2: What's oh my God, how come I can't even think
Speaker 2: of the word when you speak without speaking?
Speaker 3: Uh? Tell it, Ed and Lorraine Warren, No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: That was from before.
Speaker 1: Uh they tell it. Communicate they whatever. They know what
Speaker 1: you're thinking, and so they can read.
Speaker 2: They can read minds, they can communicate through your mind.
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're not into it, I think
Speaker 2: that they can they get that. I think, unless unless
Speaker 2: it's some of the bad ones. I don't know who knows,
Speaker 2: who knows any of it?
Speaker 3: That's either Yeah, I don't know either.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm curious to see I think I watched
Speaker 4: the show back now because it was also overwhelming that
Speaker 4: I think I need to see it all again clearly,
Speaker 4: and I maybe I'll think differently after I see the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's going to be all these extraterrestruals
Speaker 2: getting agents and trying to They're going to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: they're calling up Uta.
Speaker 1: Kay, did you see me on Peacock.
Speaker 3: Well listen, you heard of Carmen here first?
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, like, oh my god, biggest star in
Speaker 2: all of Arizona. Actually, yeah, well, can you tell people,
Speaker 2: you know, give us, tell us about the show. Tell
Speaker 2: us everything, you know where to find you everything and
Speaker 2: your goosebumph.
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: By the way, I was just listening Harvey's episode earlier
Speaker 4: today just to kind of like get in the spear.
Speaker 4: He's a friend of mine, and that was just I
Speaker 4: just I feel so honored to be in your catalog
Speaker 4: of guests as well so many people that I'm such
Speaker 4: massive fans of and yours as well. I've been following
Speaker 4: you for a while, so thank you again for having me.
Speaker 4: Unidentified with Demi lovato Is is a four part documentary
Speaker 4: series on streaming on Peacock. Starting September thirtieth, all four
Speaker 4: episodes will be available. It is me Demi, Demi's sister Dallas,
Speaker 4: as we travel different places in the United States to
Speaker 4: figure out what is the truth and what is out
Speaker 4: there and you've got to watch to find out for
Speaker 4: yourself and make up your own your own mind. You
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Speaker 4: right now I'm all about that unidentified and I can't
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Thank
Speaker 2: you so much to Matthew Scott Montgomery. And as always,
Speaker 2: if you want to hear a little bit more, go
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Speaker 2: a fun bonus clip where we talk about haunted, Dalla's, bigfoot, psychics,
Speaker 2: so many things, so go check that out.
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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
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