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Speaker 2: If you live in the Los Angeles area, or if

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Speaker 2: I am going to be doing my first.

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Speaker 1: Live show back, Baby.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be back at Casita del Campo at

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Speaker 2: the Cavern Club Celebrity Theater, which is in the basement

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Speaker 2: of Casita del Campo, a gorgeous Mexican restaurant in Silver Lake, California.

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Speaker 2: The theater is allegedly haunted, and it's where I used

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Speaker 2: to do my live shows. And I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: it on the twenty ninth of October, which is the

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Speaker 2: Friday of Halloween weekend, and it's going to be at

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Speaker 2: eight pm. I have the ticket link in the description

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Speaker 2: of this episode, and I will say it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a pretty intimate little show. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: small theater. We're going to do even less people in

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Speaker 2: the audience than before because the theater wants to be

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Speaker 2: COVID safe, and so you have to have proof of

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It says it all on the ticket link if you're

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Speaker 2: curious about that. But so it's going to be a

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Speaker 2: small little thing, so snatch up your tickets quickly. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe if it sells out, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure. I can't promise this yet, but I might

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Speaker 2: add another one. I'm not sure yet, so just stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: Make sure you're following me on Instagram at ros Hernandez

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Speaker 2: the Facebook group. I'll say, I'll say I I if

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Speaker 2: just the one show at eight pm the twenty ninth

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Speaker 2: of October. Okay, so guys, today is an action packed episode.

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Speaker 2: I have on Matthew Scott Montgomery, who is an actor,

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Speaker 2: starring in this new TV show called Unidentified with Demi

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Speaker 2: Lovato and it's on Peacock, NBC's streaming platform, and I

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Speaker 2: got to see the first episode. It is now officially

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Speaker 2: out today the thirtieth. It is out, you can go

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Speaker 2: watched the whole show, and at the time of this recording,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely loved it.

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Speaker 2: Matthew is so sweet and funny and has a lot

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Speaker 2: to say, one of like such an ideal guests. I mean,

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Speaker 2: get into ghost stuff. It's not just aliens on this episode, though, we.

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Speaker 1: Do talk about aliens.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna get right into the episode here,

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Speaker 2: and of course it's always if you want to hear

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Speaker 2: a little bit more, go to patreon dot com slash

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Speaker 2: rasdres fales. And this time I did the you know,

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Speaker 2: unexplainable phenomenal thing with Matthew and he gave me his

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Speaker 2: thoughts on psychics, which even involved a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Tyler Henry talk. We talk about, Oh, Matthew's a twin,

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Speaker 1: So go check that out. And without further ado, here.

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Speaker 2: Is Matthew Scott Montgomery on with the show. Oh my god, everyone,

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Speaker 2: I am joined by Matthew Scott Montgomery.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, Oh my gosh. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, I know we're not technically together, but

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Speaker 1: I just watched the screener unidentified.

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Speaker 2: I'm so I've seen the first episode and it certainly

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Speaker 3: So I feel this. I feel that.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I find Halloween to be spooky. Sorry, I find

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Speaker 2: To me summer, it's it feels like summer camp or

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid and those movies came out,

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Speaker 2: See that's what I thought. I was afraid that you

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, something that was pointed out to me

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Speaker 1: knows if they're up there.

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00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: I can't always see stars at night in La, so

438
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: I don't know they could be following me.

439
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 4: Maybe one thing we were trying to figure out, and frankly,

440
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 4: we needed more time. I mean, like I kind of

441
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 4: want to go back to Sedona. How long you were

442
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 4: there for? But we I felt like we weren't there

443
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: for long enough. But we were talking about there being

444
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 4: a vortex there and what a vortex means specifically, and

445
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 4: what energy is drawn towards it, and kind of just

446
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 4: like the energy of like the town in general is

447
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 4: very like.

448
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: It feels like a swirly mystical place.

449
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: Just like even when you're there and you're like, yo,

450
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 4: if like UFOs and ets exist, they're straight up coming

451
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 4: to this place, you know what I'm saying.

452
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is like lack of

453
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 3: light pollution in a way where.

454
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 4: It's like that's, you know, such a beautiful place in

455
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 4: the desert that seems like a hot spot la it

456
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 4: can be trickier because of smog and light pollution and

457
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 4: things like that.

458
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: Palm Springs I could see, you know.

459
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: I think Joshua Tree makes sense too, because it's the desert.

460
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: So it's like you just get a clearer vision of

461
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 4: the sky, you know what I mean.

462
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: But that's when I tell my friends about going to Sedona,

463
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: and some of them are like, are these Do you

464
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: think that UFOs are on a payroll or something or

465
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 2: do you think it's something else up there? Because it's

466
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: a good tourism. You know, people are hearing us talking

467
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: about it right now and they want to go to Sedona.

468
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: So it's there was parts of it where I was like,

469
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: this is good to be true. There's so many things

470
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 2: up in this guy I was. I was very much

471
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: in a similar situation as you guys, where I was like,

472
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: now look over there, now look over there.

473
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: There's so many of them?

474
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 4: Is it?

475
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: How long did that? I mean, how long were you

476
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: there for before that started happening? Were you like looking

477
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: up this right away? Right away.

478
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, as soon as we put on the goggles,

479
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: there's one it was like, I.

480
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: Mean, Demi and I when the cameras were off the

481
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 4: first night we stayed there, we just the two of

482
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: us went out into the middle of the desert and

483
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 4: laid down and played music and stared up at the

484
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: sky and we saw all kinds of stuff. And so

485
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if producers or whatever we'll listen to

486
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: and point to this podcast and hear me say that

487
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: and be furious, but like it was this thing where

488
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 4: it's like we were done shooting and we're going back

489
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 4: to our rims and Demi's like, do you want to

490
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: go out tonight? I was like yeah, And by that

491
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 4: we meant like literally took our blankets up to like

492
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 4: this mountain and stared and we're just like seeing so

493
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: much stuff. And we were shooting the next night like

494
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: it was going to be like the night where we

495
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: had to look at stuff in the sky and we

496
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: were like, oh man, we better see stuff because tonight

497
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: we're seeing all this stuff that the cameras aren't getting,

498
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And luckily the next night, though,

499
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: just as much stuff shut up, if.

500
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: Not more well, I think that they're Demi Lovato fans.

501
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean we we interacted with a.

502
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: I did have my first paranormal experience in my life

503
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 4: with a ghost shooting the show, and we ran into

504
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 4: a ghost named Carmen that I'm convinced is one of

505
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 4: Demi's biggest fans.

506
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what did you see a ghost experience? No,

507
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: that was not part of this first episode that I watch.

508
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

509
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 4: The main thing talking about from this is we went

510
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 4: to this place. I mean, I'm going to try to

511
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 4: tell you enough to tease you, but also to satisfy

512
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: you because I love you.

513
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 3: Who cares about the listeners?

514
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 4: Just you? But like without and without giving away the

515
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: entire episode, because this is the episode I'm anxious to

516
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: see the most. We went to this place called Vulture

517
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 4: City in Arizona. Have you ever heard of Vulture City before?

518
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: By chance, I.

519
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: Can't say I have.

520
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: You know, I hadn't hear, And you.

521
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: Know, we were saying, like a few hours away and

522
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: we would like drive all the way to the middle

523
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 4: of nowhere at this place called Vulture City, which is

524
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: like a which is a UFO and ghost hot spot,

525
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 4: Like this place is bonkers. It's an old gold mining

526
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: town that has like a dark past and a scary history,

527
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 4: and there are all kinds of rumors of things at

528
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 4: Vulture City. There's the bones of giants that are buried.

529
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: There is a one hundred and eighty foot d old

530
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 4: mine that we stood on top of.

531
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: That's a vortex and so much stuff.

532
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 4: Right, so we're it looks like a Scooby Doo town,

533
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: like in a way where it's like a little old

534
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: western town. And there's part of the part of the

535
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: Vulture City episode where we kind of split off and

536
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: we were doing like ghost hunting essentially. Now, Demi and

537
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: I have done that before. We did that at the

538
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 4: Queen Mary, like back in like twenty twelve. I think

539
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: that used to be on YouTube, but they took it off.

540
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 4: I think we and it sort of you know when

541
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: ghosts and try to find stuff. Wait, I have to

542
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 4: tell both these stories now. Okay, So the three is

543
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: the first time I ever had any kind of paranormal experience.

544
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 4: I just turned myself into a liar because I just

545
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 4: remember this of the Queen Mary. We like after the

546
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: Queen Mary closed. Okay, So in Long Beach here in California.

547
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: There's this old ship called the Queen Mary that now

548
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: you can stay stay at, stay in like a hotel,

549
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: and every year for Halloween they do like a spooky

550
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 4: Queen Mary thing. Well, one year, I want to say

551
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 4: it was like twenty twelve or twenty thirteen. One year

552
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 4: after it closed, like like late at night, like one

553
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 4: or two in the morning, Demi and I went in

554
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 4: there with a camera crew. I don't know why, well

555
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: we did, and we were like ghost hunting essentially in

556
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: the in the Queen Mary, and we like, you know,

557
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: there are all these stories of like people who tried

558
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 4: to stow away on board but that got crushed by

559
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 4: the engines and now they're ghosts like haunted the boat.

560
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 4: There's some really sad stories out some women that were

561
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: assaulted and potentially murdered by like sailors that like haunt

562
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: the ship.

563
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Like all kinds. There's all kinds of stuff there.

564
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 4: The only thing I saw there was I took a

565
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: burst like a photo where it's like you have like

566
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: take like ten pictures at once, you know that thing.

567
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: And we were at this like underground pool in the

568
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: Queen Mary. I took a burst picture. Didn't think anything

569
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: of it. It wasn't until later when I left and

570
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 4: came back home. I was looking at the burst photos

571
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 4: and ros I swear, and I'll text.

572
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: This to you.

573
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 4: And I don't know if there's a postable way for this,

574
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: but yes there is. You can see the burst and

575
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 4: there's four pictures where there's nothing, and then in one

576
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: picture there is a hooded figure up in the corner.

577
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: A hooded figure.

578
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: Yes.

579
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: Now the argument is, you know, if we're being if

580
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: we're being a cynical skeptic like me, like one of

581
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: the argument kind of here is Okay, it's some worker

582
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: there in a hoodie who just appeared.

583
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: But you know what, girl, this is. These are burst photos,

584
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

585
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: So like all these were taken at the exact same second,

586
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and only one of them

587
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 4: has this shrouded person up in the corner.

588
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: I will send you the pictures, I.

589
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Know, right, But when I think of because I've heard

590
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: a lot of these stories about the Queen Mary and

591
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: the history and that's and all this stuff, but who's

592
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: got I never hear about no hooded figure.

593
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: You know what it is?

594
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: I don't know because we left at that point, and

595
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 4: it was only when I went back and looked at

596
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 4: the pictures, it was like, you know, it was like

597
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 4: it was a movie and we were going ghost hunting

598
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: and didn't find anything, and then you think the movie's over.

599
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: And then the very very end of the movie, we

600
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: look at the pictures and it's like and then it's credits,

601
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it was very bad.

602
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: So like we didn't get a chance to and I

603
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 4: don't I don't know why I didn't follow up or whatever,

604
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 4: but I do have I'll send those to you.

605
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: So that was like Diana's first like paranormal experience.

606
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 4: However, a couple months ago, when we were in Vulture City,

607
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 4: which play this place is so legit. When we got there,

608
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: there were some Indigenous people there who do protection ceremonies

609
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: when people come to visit. So even when we got there,

610
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: we had to bring like an offering, and they did

611
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: like a protect action ceremony the entire time that we

612
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: were there. So this was not I don't even know

613
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: if that's going to be on camera. They the whole

614
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: time we were there, cameras on, cameras off. They were

615
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: by a fire and chanting and doing a protection ceremony

616
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 4: over us because these a couple of the descendants of

617
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: the indigenous people who have lived there forever.

618
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: This one guy was telling me.

619
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: He was like, you know, we call them the star

620
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: people out here, and by the star people, he was

621
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: meaning UFOs essentially, because he told us stories of his

622
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: grandmother who and he has a memory of this is

623
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: a tiny, tiny that like a silver disc would come

624
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: down from the sky and then the grandma would tell

625
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: them all to go inside, and then she would speak

626
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: with them somehow, then it would go away. And you know,

627
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: there are other people who can corroborate that story. Now

628
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 4: he holds on too, and what he says is, my

629
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 4: grandmother never owned a television, ever actually read a book,

630
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 4: She never saw a movie. She would never had seen

631
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: any kind of reference from pop culture to tell her

632
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: that what she saw, you know, was or wasn't a

633
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: spying saucer ufo kind of thing.

634
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: And they were all deadly serious about this.

635
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: And the grandma called them the star people, and she

636
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: would speak to the star people. Right. So we were

637
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: there in Vulture City to potentially figure out is our

638
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: ghosts and ets our star people, our angels are spirits,

639
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: are they all the same thing? Are they separate things

640
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: so they work together? Are they you know, BFFs in

641
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: some ultimate dimension? Is one true and one's not?

642
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: You know kind of thing. So that we were there

643
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: to investigate all that. Now I'm not going to tell

644
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: you the answer that question.

645
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: Because you got to watch the show girl, But that

646
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: was what that was, like the purpose of being there.

647
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: And there is this haunted brothel there where there were

648
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: these three women who were prostitutes who would you know,

649
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 4: work with the miners there back like one hundred years ago,

650
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: and their name were Maria Lillian Carmen, and we we

651
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: were going to go into this brothel. Right at the

652
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: time of shooting, Demi didn't openly identify as non binary.

653
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: If you watch the episodes, probably I do it too.

654
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: And a lot of people are going to seemingly misgender them,

655
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: but they're going to be describing Demi as she and

656
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: as her and a lot of what we were kind

657
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: of taught along the way, some to my chagrin, was

658
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: very gendered in a way. But this brothel was welcoming

659
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: to quote women end quote, and was not welcoming to men.

660
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: And so the idea was Demi was going to go

661
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: in there, because Demi's the quote girl, end quote. And

662
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: so Demi's going to go in there and try to

663
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: speak with one of these spirits, to talk to either Lily,

664
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: Carmen or Maria. And you know, there were cameras in there.

665
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: Of course, I very quickly forgot that they were there,

666
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: frankly the entire shoot, because they did a good job

667
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: of kind of hiding themselves, and what we were dealing

668
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: with was so riveting and very present that they kind

669
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: of seem superfluous in a way.

670
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: But we Deman I go into with this like.

671
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: This paranormal investigator dude, so whose name escapes me at

672
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: this point, sorry, But the three of us go in

673
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: there together and they set up all these like ghost

674
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 4: hunting machines that like light up, and this one music

675
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 4: box that lights up that apparently when a spirit is around,

676
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: it communicates through that. So if so, of ras, if

677
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: you were a ghost and I walked into your haunted

678
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 4: bedroom and I was like, is roz here? And then

679
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: the box would light up because you from beyond would

680
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: put your ghost energy.

681
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: Into letting up the box to communicate with us.

682
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: Now, when we got to Vultra City, the indigenous people

683
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: there and the people who currently own the place warned

684
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: us and off camera were like, just so you know,

685
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: the ghosts get very excited when you're here, and they

686
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: use the energy from the lights and the batteries from

687
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 4: the camera. So you have to be prepared because you're

688
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: going to have to be replacing the batteries a lot

689
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 4: while you're here because the ghosts are going to use

690
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: the energy.

691
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: And I will confirm that that is what we found

692
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: while we were there.

693
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: Continuously the cameras had to put more batteries in and

694
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: reset and what did not occur for any other place

695
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: that we shot. So that, I mean, I don't know

696
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: how you explained that. I guess I'm undecided, but like

697
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: that was pretty intense and amazing. So there was we

698
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: go into the brothel and we start trying to communicate

699
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: with I'm going to tease this and not tell too

700
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: much because I would love to tell the whole story,

701
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: but you just have to see it, and I'm so

702
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: anxious to see this episode. But essentially, you know, Demi

703
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: started asking Demi chose to communicate with them, and Demi

704
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: was like.

705
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: Hi, is Lily here, Silence, is Maria here? Nothing?

706
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: Is Carmen here BBBBBBB the things start going off, and

707
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: from there, I'm getting goose.

708
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm's just thinking about it.

709
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 4: That experience was so insane to watch my best friend

710
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: have a full on conversation.

711
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: With this I'm not like Roz.

712
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: I feel like I know Carmen now, like the way

713
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: that they communicated and the questions that were asked and

714
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: what happens in that conversation and what happens at the

715
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: end of that episode. I miss Carmen like they're a person,

716
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 4: like when they were and she was but like I

717
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: I and she communicates with us. You can kind of

718
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 4: see in the trailer a little bit, and I'm so

719
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 4: anxious for you to see the episode and for everyone

720
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 4: to see it, because that was a very like thrilling,

721
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: exhilarating I'm gonna look scared in the footage, but it

722
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: was a very like profound, intense present thing. What happens

723
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 4: with their communication. It was really That's like I walked

724
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: away from Shooting un Identified thinking, like I'm undecided about UFOs.

725
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: I think in ets, I know something is out there.

726
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: I can certain stuff happens come increetley that I described

727
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: in the last episode that you will see. But my

728
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 4: major takeaway, especially from the night was I talked to

729
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: a ghost, you know what I mean, Like, I straight

730
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: up talked to a ghost and I was like, honestly,

731
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: I was trying to set them up. I was like, Demi,

732
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 4: you and Carmen have serious chemistry. You should like, oh

733
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: love or I was like, you should do like do

734
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: you want a duet? You can sing together? Like That's

735
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: like where my brain was.

736
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: Going, like, oh my god, that is a good plan

737
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: right there. Den Levado featuring Carmen the.

738
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: Ghost, Yeah, yeah, sort of band.

739
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

740
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: So do you think that there was a correlation in

741
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: Vulture City between these particular spirits and the ets or

742
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: what did you What kind of conclusion did you come to?

743
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: Carmen had a very concrete conclusion when we asked her

744
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 4: that question.

745
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: And you're going to have to watch the show.

746
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: Yes, God, you are good at selling this well. I saw,

747
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, I only saw the first episode, but one

748
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: of the things I like so much about it was

749
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: that it's like it's kind of educational. It's quite educational,

750
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: you guys. In just the first episode, you guys got

751
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: into so many different things. You went to a lot

752
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: of different places, and you you learned and I as well.

753
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean I know a decent amount about this stuff,

754
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: but I didn't even know. Like when you guys went

755
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: to to Hanga, you met these guys that were telling

756
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: you about this same sex female couple in the nineteen fifties,

757
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: Sarah Shaw and Jan Whitley, which I looked this up.

758
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: Those are pseudonyms, but either way, they apparently were abducted

759
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: or you know, had these experiences, which I'm like, oh

760
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: my god, now I know about this story. And the

761
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: UFO bros, right, those were the guys that you guys

762
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: were with, And you know, you guys also get into

763
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: the whole regression therapy situation, which that was pretty pretty

764
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: cool to watch. I guess I've never watched a session

765
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: of something like that. But how where are you at

766
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: on on something like that? Regression hypnotherapy?

767
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, regressive hypnotherapy. You know, I obviously didn't know anything

768
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: about it. I think one of the I think half

769
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: the people who watch the show will probably be UFO

770
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: fans who are drawn to ET stuff and the other half,

771
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: maybe more than half actually, or fans of DEMI who

772
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 4: who just want to have fun with them and experience

773
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: them more, and I think both of those types of

774
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: fans will be satisfied.

775
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: With this show.

776
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: And if you're somewhere in the middle, you follow along

777
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 4: with me. I feel like because I kind of come

778
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: into it, you know, a little bit of both. I

779
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: guess in a way a lot of bit of fan

780
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: of Demi obviously, but like, you know, you can kind

781
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: of learn things through me because I, you know, I

782
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: was like the novice also, like the people who work

783
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: on the show and a lot of the camera ops

784
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: and things like that believed in everything already. So I

785
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 4: felt like at certain times, I'm like, am I the

786
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: only one who like I felt like I had to

787
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: catch up with a lot of stuff, you know what

788
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: I mean? And with aggressive hypnotherapy, I don't know. I

789
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: mean that was Dallas and I were kind of watching

790
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: off from the side. So regressive hypnotherapy is basically like

791
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: Demi going into a hypnotic state to kind of relive

792
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: the Joshua Tree experience that we've been talking about earlier

793
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: and try to clarify if that were quote in abduction

794
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 4: end quote.

795
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: What's inter being is?

796
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: I know Demi very well, so it's like a lot

797
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: of the answers that Demi ha for that stuff. I

798
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 4: don't know if I don't know if it's in the

799
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 4: episode or not, but I would kind of say them

800
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 4: before Demi did her at the same time in Dallas,

801
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: and I would kind of giggle because.

802
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, I thought kind of half of it

803
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: was kind of silly, like I thought half it was.

804
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: Like this isn't gonna work, like this is moah, and

805
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 4: another half of it was like I was very nervous,

806
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: and I think nervous in a kind of way where

807
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 4: it's like Demi's undergoing hypnotherapy on camera and Demi's been

808
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: through a lot of dark stuff, and I don't, you know,

809
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: I didn't want a lot of that to come out,

810
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 4: and I didn't know if it would go in that direction.

811
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm glad that, you know, a lot of it was

812
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: going in more of like a positive direction, I guess,

813
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 4: or things that Demi wants to talk about.

814
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the major things.

815
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: That we were asked in like the press or Demi

816
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 4: was for sure, was you know, the idea that whatever

817
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: the experience was, it was these beings were I think

818
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 4: the light doctors is the word that the description of them,

819
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: but they were trying to protect Demi from themselves. And

820
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: you know, I think Demi and in therapy kind of

821
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 4: hypnotherapy and you see it on camera, kind of comes

822
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: up with that themselves, and they were kind of like

823
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 4: I think, you know, maybe these beings out in space

824
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: or wherever are trying to or trying to help me

825
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 4: and protect me. And then the woman who's running the

826
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: sessions like from what. And I think, I literally I

827
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: think I remember whispering to Dallas like you know, I

828
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: think I said herself at the time, of course, but.

829
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: You know, themselves kind of thing. So I think, like,

830
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think.

831
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: Were there like doctor et beings communicating through the hypnotherapy.

832
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: No, I don't think necessarily that.

833
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 4: I think it's more of like an intuitive thing that

834
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: was kind of validated through Demi for that. But that

835
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: whole experience was kind of you know, I was on

836
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 4: edge pretty much the whole time because I didn't know

837
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: what was about to happen, you know, like I'm I'm

838
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 4: an actor who's used to being in front of camera

839
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 4: and on set.

840
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: That's how Demi and I met.

841
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: We were on the same Disney Channel show and so like,

842
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: you know, this is my very first time doing anything.

843
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: That was quote reality television end quote. I know.

844
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 4: I think we called like a documentary series a lot

845
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 4: of it, but I was like wondering how much was

846
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: going to be read, do you know what I mean?

847
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: Like I was like, oh, is this going to be produced?

848
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: Like are they going to make stuff up? And my

849
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: takeaway from it was that nothing was produced. Nothing was

850
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 4: faked at all. I mean, all of that was really

851
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: happening in the moment they had like an artist sketching

852
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: it right there. I mean like a lot of stuff

853
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: we weren't prepped for as well, So it's like I

854
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 4: didn't know what I was walking into At certain points,

855
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was going to be happening.

856
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: So what you.

857
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 4: Experienced there is very The experience itself was very real

858
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: and unplanned and fresh.

859
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: We never did a second take on anything. There was

860
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: none of that.

861
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know if that's something people would question,

862
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: I guess, but like what you see is what you

863
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: get there. And Demi's also a person who's not the

864
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: kind who fakes anything like that's like, that's not demi'sm

865
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: you know what I mean like at all, So that

866
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: all that stuff was very very real.

867
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, and something that I know that you guys also

868
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: experienced through this process is I've talked to hundreds of

869
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: people with stories, and sometimes when you hear these stories

870
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: that are so incredible, you can pick up people's vibes,

871
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: you can pick up or there's something call it paranormal

872
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 2: or whatever your instincts tell you like, I don't think

873
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: this person making this up, and this is like a

874
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: very incredible thing that I'm hearing right now, and that

875
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: can really do a number on you in terms of

876
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: your beliefs and being like, well, I don't know, I

877
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: kind of believe this one. I mean, you guys went

878
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: to in this first episode, this woman that has been abducted,

879
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: and I guess we don't have to spoil that whole

880
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: situation to Geraldine. Yes, and she's had some pretty remarkable

881
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: things that she had happened to her, and I mean

882
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: it I believed.

883
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: I mean that was being tossed in the deep end there,

884
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 4: because that was one of the very first things that

885
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 4: we did. And so I mean, I don't even know

886
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 4: what to say about that because like we I don't

887
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 4: know what's made into the episode because we had a

888
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: very long conversation and everything kept getting more.

889
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: Intense, you know what I mean with did it make

890
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: it in the drawings that she did of her children?

891
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my gosh.

892
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, also whom I who am

893
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: I to question anyone's experience?

894
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 4: Really, I know, cast is this here, But like, especially

895
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: a woman's experience, it's not my place to question any

896
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: of that at all. I want to honor their experience

897
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: and hear what they have to say. And but that

898
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 4: was that was It was a lot to take in.

899
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: She's been through some very very intense stuff, and you know,

900
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 4: she has a lot of children that live all over

901
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: the galaxy that she drew for us.

902
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you said, my I wear

903
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: my heart on my face.

904
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: It's very hard for me to hide what I'm feeling.

905
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: I guess this entire show is just me with my

906
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 4: jaw on the floor for like four hours straight. But

907
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 4: like when she showed us these pictures of her her

908
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 4: et children, I mean, it was I'm so sorry, but

909
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 4: it was horrifying.

910
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: Now, that was scary. That was very very scary because

911
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: they look really scary, like they.

912
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: Let also with your children, So you.

913
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: Have to be like, I know, I really I mean,

914
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: like what you watched an episode is me fighting to

915
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 4: be like ah, but like on the inside, I'm going

916
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it was that walked

917
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 4: away from that interview like shaking because we were like,

918
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, like.

919
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: Well basically I wasn't gonna say, but basically she has

920
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: hybrid children with aliens.

921
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that yes does happy it sucks.

922
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 4: Did it make it into the episode? The woman at

923
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 4: the abduction support group, her name was Barb. It's this

924
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 4: like older white woman. Did she make it into the episode?

925
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 4: I'm not sure there was this woman.

926
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: I'll just say this.

927
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 4: There was this woman there who just this quiet, sweet,

928
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: sweet old lady who was part of the people in

929
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: this abduction support group. Again with what you were saying

930
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: about like you just feel this thing, It's like why

931
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: would this person make this stuff up? Or like you know,

932
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: everyone there, it felt very, very genuine and this woman

933
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 4: has stayed with me. This woman bar because she was

934
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: in the support group. Is because she would go to

935
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: I don't even know, I forget even how to describe it,

936
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 4: like up to like the sky or out in space

937
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 4: or an other dimension, whateverever she chose to the words

938
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: we chose to use there because she would nurse her

939
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: hybrid children. And she said she had twenty four children

940
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: and that they loved her and that of course, and

941
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 4: they described her at ros this is stuck with me

942
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: as this smoothest mommy in the universe. And her reason

943
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: for being in the support group was because and it

944
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 4: kind of breaks my heart to say this, and I

945
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: have as much empathy as I can to I cannot

946
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 4: understand what this, any of this feels like, but I

947
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: send it to really do.

948
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 3: She didn't really want to be on earth.

949
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: She wanted to be with them, you know what I mean,

950
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: Like she didn't want to be walking through this human

951
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: experience because she had so much more joy nursing these

952
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 4: twenty four hybrid babies somewhere else. And she and some

953
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 4: of the people in the support group were that were

954
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: that where they had been through. Some of the had

955
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 4: really traumatic stuff happened to them. You know, I talked,

956
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 4: we talked to a lot of people in this have

957
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 4: positive and negative experiences. Demis would thankfully very very positive.

958
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 4: And but half the people's support group, their experience had

959
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: been so positive that they were dealing with going through

960
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: everyday life, going to Trader Joe's parking their cars, walking

961
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 4: down the street, knowing that there's this other thing out

962
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: there that brings them more joy and they feel more

963
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: connected to And that was one of those days where

964
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 4: I did not know we were walking into that.

965
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know that was going to be happening.

966
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: And I could have sat there for hours and hours

967
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 4: and hours taking in all that stuff because I've never

968
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: been in a situation like that. I'm sure the majority

969
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: of the audience watching the shows has never been in

970
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: a situation like that. And that blew me away, and

971
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: those things that Ball said have stuck with me, you

972
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: know what I mean, because like this woman, you know,

973
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: if we're talking skeptic, if we're talking cynicism, it's gonna

974
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: be like, here's just me and this stuff to be

975
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: on TV.

976
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: But like, no, that wasn't the case, you know what

977
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 3: I mean.

978
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 4: Like, there was this sweet old woman who had been

979
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 4: through something that she was brave enough to share with

980
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: all of us, and whether I understand it or people

981
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: believe it or not, this was something that was real

982
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 4: to her that she needed to share as part of

983
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 4: the support group, and it just happened to be that

984
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: she would much rather be with her hybrid children that

985
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: were out in space, like you know what I mean,

986
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: Like that was and that's episode one.

987
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: That's the first episode.

988
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: When I went to Sedona.

989
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: The woman that was leading the thing I was doing,

990
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: she identified as an abductee. I think once or twice

991
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: she has been abducted. And I said to her, does

992
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: it happen where people go on these tours and they

993
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: get abducted? Because I, like, I don't really want that,

994
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh no, it's great. She's like, don't

995
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: you have nothing to fear. She's like it's wonderful, and

996
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, I guess. I mean, especially during

997
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 2: the pandemic, I would have loved my trip.

998
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Have you seen that show before?

999
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah.

1000
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: What makes me think of it is when I.

1001
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: Mean spoiler alert, that show was in nineteen ninety seven

1002
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: to two thousand and three, So I think we're good.

1003
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: But when Buffy dies at the end of season five

1004
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: and presumably goes to Hell, and Willow and everyone else

1005
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 4: in the show do spell to bring Buffy back from

1006
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 4: Hell when she dies, But then Buffy comes back from

1007
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: from death and she's miserable because she wasn't in hell,

1008
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 4: she was in heaven, and everyone just assumed that she

1009
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: was in hell. It makes me think of that because

1010
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: it's like that again is the pop culture thing and

1011
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: maybe even you know, some of the negative connotation with

1012
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 4: the idea of abductee where it's like it's going to

1013
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: be fire in the sky, what's that movie whatever it

1014
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: is where it's like you're getting proed and needled and

1015
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 4: you know you have missing all very scary and that stuff.

1016
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: We deal with that stuff on the show and talk

1017
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: about it quite a bit, and that's definitely a thing,

1018
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: but like you know, not all of it is for

1019
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 4: those people, like they were there in their version of

1020
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: whatever heaven is when that happens, and that's you know,

1021
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: if you had the option to be in heaven or

1022
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 4: on earth, where would you want to be?

1023
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: You know what I mean kind of thing.

1024
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: What also makes you think maybe there's.

1025
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I think we almost all have

1026
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: this idea like they're all from the same place and

1027
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: they all come down here, but like there could be people,

1028
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: they could be from all over who knows where, and

1029
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: you could end up getting taken away to one of

1030
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: the bad parts of the galaxy, or you can be

1031
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: taken to the nice neighborhood.

1032
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1033
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Carmen has some stuff to say about

1034
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: that in the Vulture City episode, so tune in.

1035
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1036
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of ghosts and communication, can I play you

1037
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: some ghost voices.

1038
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 3: Please? I wish you would.

1039
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for e TV plice. Do you know

1040
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: what a EVP is?

1041
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 4: Yes?

1042
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: I do, Okay, Electronic voice phenomena. So I go to

1043
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: YouTube and I find people's EVPs that they believe they've captured,

1044
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna play you two of them, and I'll

1045
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: have you guess what you hear, and then i'll give

1046
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: you the answer, or I'll give you a couple of options,

1047
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: and the correct answer is what the ghost hunter believes

1048
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: it says. Okay, cool, gosh, all right, here's the first one.

1049
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: This one is from Paranormal Victoria on YouTube, and it's

1050
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: at an abandoned factory. I don't know anything else other

1051
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: than that, and it's allegedly a ghost talking.

1052
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: So tell me what you hear. Okay, I'm I'll play

1053
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: it again. Do you hear it?

1054
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah? It's someone speak, someone saying, oh, I don't know

1055
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 4: what that is. It makes me think of like an

1056
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 4: exorcism audio.

1057
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

1058
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: Like, Oh my god, that audio you guys play of

1059
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: Betty and Barney Hills. That's absolutely yeah chilling. Okay, back

1060
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: to this one. We played again.

1061
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, I'm sorry one more time. Okay, some options now,

1062
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: I think it's et stuff. Yes, I want options.

1063
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Okay. Is it a oh I'm talking? It could be

1064
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: a drag queen. I don't know. Is it B boy?

1065
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: Don't touch me? Is it c Oi I'm talking to you?

1066
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: Or D one taco? Okay, let me play it.

1067
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it sounds like a and it's like

1068
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 4: Lawrence Cheney or like a UK drag queen.

1069
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: It does sound.

1070
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: It does sound British. Oh I'm talking. Okay, here we go.

1071
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: It could be a drag queen factory. Oh we know

1072
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: this is an abandoned factory.

1073
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna say it's the oil. I'm talking to

1074
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: you one.

1075
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: That is what they believe. It says.

1076
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: Oi.

1077
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you and I can hear it.

1078
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: I can hear it. I can hear it.

1079
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh I'm talking to you. Yeah, okay, let me play

1080
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: another one.

1081
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: This is.

1082
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: Another wild western mining town goes. I mean, there's there's

1083
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: some great you know, if you go to Nevada, you

1084
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: go to Arizona. There's a lot of these towns. There's

1085
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: a lot of history.

1086
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: And this one's experience. Yeah.

1087
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1088
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: This one's from Virginia City, Nevada, at a place called

1089
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: the Washow Club. And this is in the bathroom this person.

1090
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

1091
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Speaker 2: This was posted by Sooner Jet one four on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: They were in the bathroom, they're recording. They didn't hear

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Speaker 2: this at the time, but then when they played it back,

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00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: kind of like your Queen Mary photograph, they look back

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00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: at it later and they heard they heard this right here.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a different one. This one's like deeper

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00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: and louder. When we played again, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Again, okay, I think it's like a deep whisper. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: how does how does it sound so deep and a

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00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: whisper at the same time?

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Speaker 1: I know, Okay, then here we go.

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00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's going It was trying to get your

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00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: attention in the bathroom. Wow.

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Speaker 4: I was hoping to be like Ebie please, But I

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00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: don't think that that sounds very frightening and real. I know.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some options.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is it a burning?

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00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a democratic Socialist ghost. I don't know they're

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00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: voting for Bernie.

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00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Is it b burning? Which I don't know. If the

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00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: pan it's none of my business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: Is the c furry? Which again I don't know what

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: they could be talking about.

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00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: I don't happened in this bathroom?

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00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: Okay, exactly. It could be a furry ghost somebody, you know,

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Speaker 1: where's the costumes? Or is it D girl please?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Oh oh, I hope that it's d Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now it's tune in. Here we go now that

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: we know it could be one of those here it

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00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 2: is one of those.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: I was really I was praying for girl please. I

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00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: wanted it to sound like girl please. But it doesn't

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Speaker 3: to me. I think like burning? Right it is?

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Speaker 1: They believe it says burning? Okay, let's do it again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, that sounds like like no shade at all.

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Speaker 4: But that sounds like we're in spirit Halloween. We're pressing

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Speaker 4: things that makes sound to make noise, and there is

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00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 4: some like shaking scarecrow on fire or something that says something.

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00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: Like that, you know what I mean?

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00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 4: And I live.

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00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: I live for Spirit Halloween, so like that's not that's

1135
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: not a dink, that's a compliment.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna do if I get abducted, I'm

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00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: gonna open a Spirit Halloween on Mark. Well, Matthew, you've

1139
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: been so generous with your time. I think I think

1140
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: that's about it from that for now.

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00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I hope you come back when the second season comes out,

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00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: because I would love to come back.

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Speaker 3: I would.

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00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 4: I mean now, I'm you know, I do feel like

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00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 4: I wink at the sky even more than I did before.

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00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 4: I've always been like a full moon person where I

1148
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 4: love I do like a whole full moon ritual. I

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00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 4: guess you'd probably say that earlier, but like every night

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00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 4: of a full moon, I just there's a thing that

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00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 4: I do that's basically just like me walking around la

1152
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 4: late at night, listening to a playlist, and then I

1153
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 4: jump completely naked in the sky, so like the only

1154
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 4: thing touching my body is full moonlight.

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Speaker 3: I do that once a month.

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00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: But you get fully naked my friends in the neighbor

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Speaker 1: in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: I do. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like when I first moved to and

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Speaker 4: it's not like when I first moved to La I

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00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 4: lived near the Hollywood Sign and I would climb to

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Speaker 4: the top of my building and still on the roof

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00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 4: under a full moon, I would stare at the Hollywood

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00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: Sign and like pray literally to God and stare at

1165
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: the full moon and be like, I'm gonna make this

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Speaker 4: city my own, you know, Like it was like a

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Speaker 4: very like you know, I also felt like there's a

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00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 4: queerness part of that as well, where it's like I

1169
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 4: didn't fully get to be myself until I moved out here,

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Speaker 4: and so I kind of created this thing on my own,

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00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: which to me was like a monthly check in with God.

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00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: It felt like where it's like I spend this full

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00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: moon time to recharge me for the next month. You know,

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00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 4: I'm not a crystal person, you know, I have some

1175
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: Demi's really big into that, and a lot of people

1176
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: are and go for it, do you That's not necessarily

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00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: my thing. I don't know a lot about astrology, I

1178
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, with like zodiac and stuff like that, but

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00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 4: I do kind of naturally do this full moon thing

1180
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: that it turned into me sitting on the roof, to

1181
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 4: me going for a walk, and then my friend Riley

1182
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 4: told me Riley's just really cool in general in every

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00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: kind of way. And Riley grew up on this island

1184
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: where they would they it was Riley's I stole this

1185
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 4: from Riley.

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00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: I really did, thank you, Riley.

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00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: But Riley, as a little kid, would go into the

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00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: middle of this field under full moon, would take off

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00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 4: all their clothes and would jump up in the air,

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00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 4: so the only thing touching their bodies full moonlight, just

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00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 4: for a second. And I thought that was kind of

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00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 4: like charming and romantic and fun. So I started doing

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00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: that a few years ago, and now I do that

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00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: once a month. I usually go behind my building and

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 4: West hollywoodn't do it. No one even blinks here, no

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Speaker 4: one even cares. And I've done it whenever it's a

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00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 4: full moon. I've done it in Africa. I've done it

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00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: in Amsterdam, I've.

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Speaker 3: Done it in Hawaii. I've done it like all kinds

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Speaker 3: of places.

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Speaker 4: And I noticed since I've gotten back from shooting on

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00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 4: identified when my full moon walk was early this week,

1203
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 4: I find it's shifted a bit in the way that

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm It was me just looking towards the moon for

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00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 4: a while and listening to music, and now it's me

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00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: looking to the entire sky, and especially since I was

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00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: in Palm Springs and saw some swirly stuff in the sky,

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 4: you know, just a couple months ago.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking.

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00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: I look forward to now my full moontime and skytime

1211
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: even more to see what's out there. So I would

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: be anxious to return to this podcast maybe another time

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 4: next year a few months, and I would hope to

1214
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: have even more things to share with you from stuff

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00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 4: that I've seen.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, but here's the thing.

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00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: So when you're when you open up that communication or whatever,

1218
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people would be like, well, don't be

1219
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: surprised if they take you up there or who knows

1220
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: what you could be Yeah, having a bunch of kids

1221
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: up there.

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00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. So are you open to all of

1223
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: it or how does that work for you?

1224
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: I think I've definitely been open to spirits and ghosts

1225
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: in that aspect where it's like I've definitely been open

1226
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 4: to you know, I've played with Wuigi boards before and

1227
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 4: my mom is not thrilled about that. And I have

1228
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: friends like, you know, you're latting the devil in right.

1229
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm welcoming whatever. In ghost wise, I've

1230
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 4: been always like a ghost. Ye, So with this UFO

1231
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 4: stuff and like spending more time starting up with the sky,

1232
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's interesting. I feel this like sense

1233
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 4: of a vague sense of like mutual respect where it's

1234
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: like if there are things out there, they know that that's.

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00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: Not my jam.

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00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: In a way, it's like I think they know if

1237
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 4: they're there and they're looking back and they're showing themselves

1238
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: to me, I think they know where. It's like we

1239
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: got each other, but you don't want to come up

1240
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 4: and visit us. I think with the DEMI, they're going

1241
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 4: to take them right away, you know what I mean? Like,

1242
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 4: I think that's really open. I think the energy I

1243
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 4: put out there is I see you, I hear you.

1244
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 4: What's what's up girl? I'm not ready for that yet

1245
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: and I'm good done here, but I see you and

1246
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 4: what's up?

1247
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's

1248
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: the energy I'm putting out.

1249
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: Well.

1250
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: The thing I always say about them is that they're

1251
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 2: clearly so smart, like way smarter than us, way smarter

1252
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: than us.

1253
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: And most people that have these stories talk about it

1254
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: being a.

1255
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: What's oh my God, how come I can't even think

1256
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: of the word when you speak without speaking?

1257
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: Uh? Tell it, Ed and Lorraine Warren, No, I'm kidding.

1258
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: That was from before.

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01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: Uh they tell it. Communicate they whatever. They know what

1260
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: you're thinking, and so they can read.

1261
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: They can read minds, they can communicate through your mind.

1262
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: So you know, if you're not into it, I think

1263
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: that they can they get that. I think, unless unless

1264
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: it's some of the bad ones. I don't know who knows,

1265
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: who knows any of it?

1266
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: That's either Yeah, I don't know either.

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01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm curious to see I think I watched

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 4: the show back now because it was also overwhelming that

1269
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: I think I need to see it all again clearly,

1270
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 4: and I maybe I'll think differently after I see the show.

1271
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's going to be all these extraterrestruals

1273
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: getting agents and trying to They're going to be like, hey,

1274
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: they're calling up Uta.

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: Kay, did you see me on Peacock.

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01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 3: Well listen, you heard of Carmen here first?

1277
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, like, oh my god, biggest star in

1278
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: all of Arizona. Actually, yeah, well, can you tell people,

1279
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: you know, give us, tell us about the show. Tell

1280
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: us everything, you know where to find you everything and

1281
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: your goosebumph.

1282
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: Of course, thank you so much for having me.

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01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: By the way, I was just listening Harvey's episode earlier

1284
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 4: today just to kind of like get in the spear.

1285
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 4: He's a friend of mine, and that was just I

1286
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 4: just I feel so honored to be in your catalog

1287
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 4: of guests as well so many people that I'm such

1288
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 4: massive fans of and yours as well. I've been following

1289
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: you for a while, so thank you again for having me.

1290
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: Unidentified with Demi lovato Is is a four part documentary

1291
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 4: series on streaming on Peacock. Starting September thirtieth, all four

1292
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 4: episodes will be available. It is me Demi, Demi's sister Dallas,

1293
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 4: as we travel different places in the United States to

1294
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 4: figure out what is the truth and what is out

1295
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: there and you've got to watch to find out for

1296
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 4: yourself and make up your own your own mind. You

1297
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 4: can catch me on Instagram Matthew Underscore, Scott Underscore Montgomery.

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01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 4: My Twitter is I robot you Jane, it's a Buffy episode.

1299
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 4: My full name wouldn't fit. And Matthew Scott Montgomery on

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01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 4: TikTok I'm also in pre production for a horror film

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01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: that I wrote, which I think you will love. And

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01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 4: I will have to tease that more another time, but

1303
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 4: right now I'm all about that unidentified and I can't

1304
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 4: wait for the show to come out.

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01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much, Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much to Matthew Scott Montgomery. And as always,

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Speaker 2: if you want to hear a little bit more, go

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Speaker 2: to patreon dot com slash Roz's dress for us for

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Speaker 2: a fun bonus clip where we talk about haunted, Dalla's, bigfoot, psychics,

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Speaker 2: so many things, so go check that out.

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Speaker 1: Also, are you subscribed to the show.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like it's October, it's Halloween time, so

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Speaker 2: please tell your friends about the show and rate it

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Speaker 2: five stars on Apple Podcasts or wherever you do that.

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Speaker 2: You could leave a nice review, you could leave a

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Speaker 2: ghost story in a five star review, or you could

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Speaker 2: leave one in the Facebook group called Ghosted by Roz

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Speaker 2: Dress False. My live show is happening the twenty ninth

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Speaker 2: of October, so get those tickets quick. The link is

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Speaker 2: in the description of this episode. And also I'm on

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Speaker 2: Instagram at Roz Hernandez. I'm on cameo ros DRez Fales,

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Speaker 2: so many things, so much fun to be had.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.

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Speaker 1: Hey bye. A podcast network