1 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 2 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: It's me Danielle Fischel, TV director, podcaster, mother of two, 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: and colloquially known as Tapega from the nineties family sitcom 4 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Boy Meets World, but to almost seven million viewers and 5 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: counting every week. I am a competitor on season thirty 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 2: four of Dancing with the Stars, paired with my professional 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: pal Pasha Pashkov, And in addition to my transformation from 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: no prior dance experience to ballroom vet, I have been 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: recording this year podcast, keeping tabs on every single moment 10 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: along the way, hoping that the details of my journey 11 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: might make your Dancing with the Stars fandom even more enjoyable. Plus, 12 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: I have been joined by pro's former contestant and my 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: beloved competition in hopes that these interviews could double as 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: insider information to push me over the proverbial hump and 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: into the winner's circle, holding the mirror ball trophy well 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: above my head in the name of every listener. And 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: today I am joined by a man who was there 18 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: when it all started, a national champion gold medalist who 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: joined the show in season one and went on to 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: compete with a total of eleven partners, including Kelly Osborne 21 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: in season nine, where they made it to the finals 22 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: and placed third. He's been seen in the ballroom this season, 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: taking in the festivities, and I, for one felt just 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: a little more nervous knowing he was in attendance. And 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: with the twentieth birthday of the show just around the corner, 26 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: it would be impossible to imagine its early days without 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: my guest. And now I'm honored to say it. It's 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: Danielle with Louis van Amstell. 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: Hi, Danielle, Hi, how are you there? You are? Yes? 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: How are you. 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: Nice to meet you? I didn't meet you. I saw Pasha, yes, 32 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: and two weeks ago. 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I know I saw that you were there. 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: But after the fact, I think we may have passed 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: each other very quickly in the breezeway when I was 36 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: either on my way to warm up or getting one 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: of those many last minute hair and makeup touch ups. 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: You get yes, and I know how important that is. 39 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 3: So I do this and I do not. Yeah, I 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: don't want to disturb anyone, whether it's my partner on 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: the show. It's that that me time, you know, when 42 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: you have to get ready and get into game game mode, game. 43 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: Base exactly game face mode, and there's not much time 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: and it all depends on where you fall in the 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: show and how you know. 46 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: Are you last, are you first? 47 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: Are you right in the middle. It's it's a it's 48 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: a lot. And I wanted to talk with you because 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: you bring such a unique POV considering you were there 50 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: from season one. When do you remember getting the pitch 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: for Dancing with the Stars and did it sound in 52 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: saying to you what was your first thought when you 53 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: heard about it. 54 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: It's interesting you asked me this question because even though 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 3: it's twenty years ago, it feels like yesterday and I 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: remember every single detail. So Dance with the Stars is 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: based on Strictly Come Dancing, which is Dance with the 58 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: Stars version in England, and when they successfully brought it 59 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: back on TV, I guess the producers asked the British professionals, 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: who do you know in the United States. Well, I'm 61 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: from Amsterdam, I'm from Holland my partner was British Julie Fryer. 62 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: So we were actually on the original Come Dancing when 63 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: it was counties against each other and then England against Europe. 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: So we danced on the original version before it quit 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: in the late nineties anyway. So then one of the 66 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 3: producers called me while I was teaching in New York 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: City and if I was interested in being part of 68 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: the show that ABC was willing to test out of 69 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: a show about bareroom dancing. They weren't sure, and I 70 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: didn't think twice. Growing up in theater, I was already 71 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: retired from competing, and I just had done my Broadway 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: show in two thousand and two at City Center. So 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: when they said do you want to be part of it? Yes, 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: I want to, I didn't have to think twice. No, Wow, 75 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: I did not question it. I did. I also thought 76 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 3: it was the golden opportunity for ballroom dancing UH to 77 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: be put in the limelight, and that it was interesting 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: because then of course they asked me who do you know. Well, 79 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: I was coaching Alec Mazo and edits Lavinska at the time, 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: so of course I asked them. And then after they 81 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: hired Alec Mazo, a Ukrainian edit, tes Lawns Cut Polish, 82 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: myself Dutch, Sharlot to Jurgensen Danish, and then John Roberts American. 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: So then they called me back, Joe Sunkert, do you 84 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: we won an all American, I get it immigrants. So 85 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: I was teaching at the famous Center Stage in orem 86 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: Utah where all the Utah dances are from. Yeah, and 87 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: he was asking me. I picked up the phone while 88 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: I was teaching, and Ashley del Grosso, who was the 89 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: final lady joining season one, she was in the other room. 90 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 3: So I said, Joe, hold on. So I walked to 91 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: the room. I said, here, pick up the phone and 92 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 3: make sure you say yes wow. And so that's how 93 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: that happened. Yeah, just put my phone in Ashley's hands 94 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: and she talked to Joe and she did audition and 95 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,119 Speaker 3: she made it on the show. 96 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: So you're basically responsible for the entire pro cast of 97 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: season one. 98 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say the entire cast. It was more 99 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: you know John Roberts, who I did work with as 100 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: a coach. He was approached, I guess through another producer 101 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: and Charlotte Jurgenson, who I competed with in Europe at 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: World Championships. So it was fun for all of us 103 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: to be in a different medium because competition scene or 104 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: theater is still different than live TV. But we loved it. Yeah, 105 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 3: and then I got Julian Hoff and Derek Houff on 106 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: the show and a few more. But for me, you know, 107 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: I'm the old one of the bunch. I coached most 108 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: of them that are now on. So for me, it's 109 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 3: about getting the best dancers that are appropriate for the show. 110 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: So if you look at Jenna Johnson, you look at Lindsay, Arnold, Winsey, 111 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: Whitney Carson, these are all cross Ray dancers Ezra cross 112 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: Train Brandon and I know them since they were That 113 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 3: makes me really old them all since they were eight, 114 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: nine and ten years old because I was teaching them 115 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: at center Stage. It's just wonderful to see they never 116 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: decided to go into the ballroom Ballroom World Championships, but 117 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: instead they have an amazing career on TV. 118 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I ain't mad about it exactly. 119 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's really smart and it was forward thinking 120 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: of you as someone who had competed in Blackpool, had 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: three Latin Dance Champion gold medals and a US National 122 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: Championship with a partner that you knew I sure have. Well, 123 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: you knew they that it was a chance to celebrate 124 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: ballroom dancing instead of having fear that it was going 125 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: to be something that made a mockery of it. Is 126 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: that how they presented it to you or did you 127 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: just know that this was going to be a shining 128 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: opportunity for ballroom dance? 129 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: In my heart, I knew that this was going to 130 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: be a success because of having done a Broadway show 131 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: of my own in two thousand and two when we 132 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: had no TV, no ballroom dancing in the limelight, and 133 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: I knew because of the enthusiasm from that audience that 134 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: the public will like this. And so many people, not 135 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: just in the eighteen thirty eight, eighteen to thirty nine, 136 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: but also the older generation. How many of them did 137 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: ballroom dancing when they grew up, the katillion, all that, 138 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: and that's what Danced with the Stars represents twenty years in. 139 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: It still represents that romance, the sassiness, and you know 140 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: a little bit more nodding. 141 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: You know, a little bit of drama, a little. 142 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: Bit of everything. Yes, yeah, so I think it's I 143 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: never questioned it. And also when they asked me do 144 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: you know more dancers? I was right away thinking these 145 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: have to be the right dancers, not the best dancers. Now, 146 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: now having said that, when you take a Valsh Mukofsky, 147 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 3: who I coached as well, he could have easily been 148 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: world champion. He was world champion in junior. He could 149 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: have taken every single title titled. Derek Huff could be 150 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: world champion. He was youth champion. I was actually there 151 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: when he became world champion in youth. These dancers are 152 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: not only the right dancers for the show, they're also 153 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: the best dancers. I mean, they're so well trained, and 154 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm proud to say that I was part of that 155 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: before Dance with the Stars as their coach. 156 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: Yes. 157 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: Do you remember a specific moment, maybe it was even 158 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: during season one where you felt like, whoa, this is working. 159 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: It's all it's gonna go. This show is going to 160 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: be a massive success, the show itself. 161 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: Yes, I was so happy to hear that. Everyone was 162 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: so nervous that first one. Danielle, you guys are nervous 163 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: coming down those stairs. 164 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 165 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: But season one, week one, everyone ABC, the show run 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: at Conrad Green, Dina. Everyone was so nervous because this 167 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: is the first time. And then we had thirteen point 168 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: five million viewers and they couldn't be happier. And that 169 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: was the summer show. So I knew then it's a hit. However, 170 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: I've never won this show, but I think I deserve 171 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: a trophy because stress the ctter and I were the 172 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: first ever eliminated couple in season one. Don't you think 173 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 3: that deserves something? 174 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: You know what I do? I think what's the opposite 175 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: of a mirror ball? 176 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: The well turn it outside of second? It's yeah. I 177 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: learned a lot that first season. Oh my gosh. I 178 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: learned a lot because I came in and not to 179 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: brag or anything, but just to give you and your 180 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: viewers perspective. I came in from coaching, coaching people like 181 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: Jenna Johnson, Welshikovsky, Max Murkowsky, and then I went in 182 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: with that coaching attitude in dense with the stars, Oh 183 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: my gosh, I looked like and I mean, I'm not 184 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: going to say the capital A because we strect yes. 185 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: And then on top I had long hair in a ponytail, 186 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 3: I have these cheek pumps. It looks oh my gosh, 187 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: I look so dang arrogant. And then in the package, yeah, 188 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm a three time world champion, and oh my gosh. 189 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: It was a very humbling experience, and season two was 190 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: amazing because of the learning lessons from season one. 191 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: I see, do you was that attitude that you had 192 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: in season one? Was that something that is that what 193 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: you were like as a coach generally or was it 194 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: something put on for the TV show? 195 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: Well that's that's a two first. So the first portion 196 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: is that for me, if you tell me you want 197 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: to be a champion, national or world champion, then I'm 198 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: going to treat you as such, not in being nasty, 199 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 3: but okay, here are the goals, and I'm going to 200 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: hold you accountable. But that's with the stars. I mean you, guys, 201 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 3: I mean I respect you so much. You put yourself 202 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: out there. You're a working actress, you can control your work, 203 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,479 Speaker 3: and here you are putting yourself on the chopping block potentially, 204 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: and so I respect every and all celebrity for doing that. 205 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: But for me as a coach, I realized, wait a minute, 206 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is not your 207 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: bread and butter, and this is your hobby. Now in 208 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: a way, it is your bread and butter because you 209 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: put yourself out there as a celebrity. And but I 210 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: was never I don't think I'm arrogant. It's just I 211 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: hold you accountable. But then the way the questions are asked, 212 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 3: you know, when you have your Thursday interviews. You have 213 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: to be mindful on how you say it because everything 214 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: can and will be used against you. And that's not 215 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: on the producers. That's on us to be mindful on 216 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: you know, what you say in terms of in terms 217 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: of the bad Boys status. I think they tried, and 218 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: then you know, Max came on board in season three, 219 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: and I guess he took the role. But I don't 220 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 3: want to play a role. I've always said I'm a 221 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: chameleon as a coach, as a teacher, as a dancer, 222 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 3: Expect the unexpected. I've said it in so many interviews 223 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: because I, for example, if you and I were parted, 224 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: I don't know you, so maybe I have one approach. Well, 225 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 3: then that approach doesn't work, Okay, a different approach. Maybe 226 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 3: you're a visual learner, audio learner. Maybe you're just slow 227 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: in picking up, so the first three days take it 228 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: a easier and then when I see you pick it up, boom. 229 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: Then we're going to spend the hours on really diving deep. 230 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 3: And others say, let me give me, give me everything 231 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 3: on that first day and then slow down towards the 232 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: end of the week. So they tried, and I think 233 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: that's part of the reason I'm being really for that 234 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: off not being in all seasons, because that was never 235 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: my choice, not to be real, I just don't like 236 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: being put in a box. I don't like labels. So 237 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: I also don't want to be called the gay dancer 238 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 3: or the I am me. There's so many more sides 239 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: to me, and so yeah, I you expect the unexpected. 240 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: That's really my coaching philosophy because I don't know who 241 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: I am partnered with totally. 242 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: It's funny. 243 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: We interviewed Max as well, and Max said something similar 244 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: about coming onto the show, and he said, you know, 245 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: when I joined the show, I was told your goal 246 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: was to get this celebrity to be a trained dancer, 247 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: and he said, and so I came in very much 248 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: with like, if you want to be a star dancer, 249 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: you're going to have to do all of these things. 250 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: And he said, and then of course, over time you realize, 251 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: like these celebrities, it's impossible for them to become in 252 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: ten weeks eleven weeks. You can't possibly learn all the 253 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: things you need to learn. And he said, you know, 254 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: so I realized that maybe my approach wasn't working and 255 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: that that really wasn't the hook of the show. So 256 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: it's interesting to hear you say something similar that, Like, 257 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: you know, they told me I was taking a celebrity 258 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: and wanted to make them a national champion. 259 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: Well, of course I have to hold you accountable to that. 260 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course, again it depends on the celebrity. 261 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: I can give you two examples. In season nine, I 262 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 3: had Kelly Osborne. Yeah, no dance experience. There was a 263 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: lot of baggage, emotional baggage that we had to go through. 264 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: So that was one step at a time, very slow going, 265 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: and she made the final. So it doesn't mean you 266 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: can't make the final when you're a non dancer, but 267 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: you have to approach it differently from a dancer. And 268 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: when we lose our patients, you can hold all the 269 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: pros accountable because that's on us because a good coach 270 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: never loses their cool. You can be frustrated, but you 271 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: cannot lose your patients. It's not well, you're not getting it. 272 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: You're not getting it. Well, that means us as pros, 273 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: we have to dig deeper, change our strategy until you 274 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: get that hook where your celebrity really feels oh, I'm growing. 275 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: And then in the All Star season I had Sabrina Brian, 276 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: I had that season the best dancer of the season, 277 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: but hip hop trained cheerleading, everything is slice and dice, 278 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: bam boom, and I love Sabrina, so it was my 279 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: goal in that one. I put on my coach's head 280 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: and I said, and this was also discussed with Sabrina, look, 281 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: you are the best dancers that can backfire. It did 282 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: in season six with marks Week six, three tenths voted off, 283 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: and she was willing to go do the work, but 284 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: I made her go for that lowering and the heat 285 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: leads and the posture up and the chest up and 286 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: you know all about it now. 287 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: I do. 288 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: I do, And I never expected to love it nearly 289 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: as much as I do. I just it's shocking to me. Well, 290 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: thank you, I do. I just love it so much. 291 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: And you, as a quok well hearing what you have 292 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 2: to say about what it means to be a good coach. 293 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: All I can picture in my head is my dear Pasha, 294 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: who is every single day consistent. There's never a day 295 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: where I have to wonder what kind of a mood 296 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: he's going to be in, or adjust what how I'm 297 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: feeling or doing based on something that's going on with him. 298 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: He is a total professional. He is always committed, he's 299 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 2: always prepared, he's always ready to work. He doesn't He 300 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: gives me space to have my feelings about something, but 301 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: he's never He's very quick to just sit there and 302 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: let me have the experience and then go, Okay, it's 303 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: time to get back on now. He's the most patient 304 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: human being. I mean, maybe I've ever met in my 305 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: entire life. I can't imagine having been partnered with anybody else. 306 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: So I really feel like I lucked out the season. 307 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 3: You Hit the Jackpot. Now, as I mentioned earlier, I 308 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: know every single pro dancer on the show, probably eighty percent. 309 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: I was the coach growing up, so I have to 310 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: preface that I like most and love a few. I mean, 311 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: like there's no tomorrow. I never actually worked with Pasha 312 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: or Danielle, but I've seen him grow up. And they 313 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 3: are not just Pasha but also Danielle, the most grounded couple. 314 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: And they've been on the show now for many seasons 315 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: and it hasn't changed them as humans. But also where 316 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: You hit the Jackpot, Pasha is had to always get 317 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: it from hard work, and Danielle that is such a 318 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: natural gifted, naturally gifted beast, I mean, and everyone can 319 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: see it. And he just worked, worked, worked, And also 320 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: they did ten dance, so they're especially Pasha. He's equal 321 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: in the standard ballroom dances as he's in the Latin dances. 322 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 3: And on top, he taught a lot of proem which 323 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: is an amateur dancing with the pro such as Pasha, 324 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: they compete. He has a lot of teaching experience too, 325 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: So you hit the jackpot on the kindness as a human, 326 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: but also has a lot of different ways on how 327 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 3: he can approach that. He is successful with you and 328 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: I just for me, kindness is number one. If you're 329 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: a kind human being and you are grounded, then you 330 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: have my respect. And if you are on top a 331 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 3: great dancer and teacher, then you've made it. And these 332 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: two are wonderful. 333 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: People couldn't agree with you more. I know. 334 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: Oh, you have been watching this season both on TV 335 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: and you've been in the ballroom, and there has been 336 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: a lot of talked about that this season is a 337 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: stacked cast. It's become a large part of the discourse 338 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: on surrounding the show. Considering you were there for its genesis, 339 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the conceit of dancing with 340 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: the stars and celebrities who have prior dance experience. 341 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: Well, especially in the early years, I was really frustrated 342 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: when half the cast had dance experience and we are 343 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: the ones, as the pros, that have the non dancers. 344 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: But then I grew to like it more because for me, 345 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 3: if you have a non dancer, that means that celebrity 346 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: represents the majority of the viewers watching. Yeah, and they 347 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 3: live vicariously through that celebrity. And that's why people like 348 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: a Kelly Osborn, Bobby Bones and directed this season, they 349 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: make it far because they just move slightly. But also 350 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 3: we had conversations. I've had conversations with Dina Katz, executive 351 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: director and casting director, like, hey, why can we not 352 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: do a season with all non dancers? Well, what would 353 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: the show look like visually? And there you got me 354 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: as a producer myself, I had to yeah, thank you 355 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: for explaining. And it wasn't really like why are you 356 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: doing this to me? No, it was more sincerely wanting 357 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 3: to know why why did they do that? And I 358 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: get it. And also again Andy Rictor, and there were 359 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: quite a few dancers, if not every single one that 360 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: have gone home already are better dances than Andy, And 361 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: somehow the people at home keep voting him, and even 362 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 3: the judges give him low scores. So it's not that 363 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: the judges are helping him either. It's really it's really 364 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 3: the people at home they're voting. And then there's the 365 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: other question that comes from here, Well, we shouldn't have 366 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 3: the people at home voting because look, otherwise, hey and 367 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: you would have been mong gone home. Yeah, but then 368 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 3: we wouldn't have a show on TV. Yeah, it's all 369 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: about ratings and voting, and you just you are in 370 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: the season that really has come back so strong, over 371 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: fifty five million votes, yeah, number one showing it on TV. 372 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: I mean, so I hope that the viewers understand that 373 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: it's hard to just have non dancers celebrities or do 374 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 3: a season with all dancing celebrities. Would it be fun 375 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 3: if Jennifer Gray would come back, Nicole Scherzinger, Bindy Irwin, 376 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: maybe get Paul Abdul. Wouldn't that be a fun season? 377 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: But they won't do it. I don't think they will 378 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: do it. But anyway, there's a fantastic season, and it's 379 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: the diversity that makes it special. 380 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly what it is, the dichotomy of watching 381 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: Andy Richter versus watching Whitney Levitt and being impressed with both, 382 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, for different reasons. Like with it's nice in 383 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: one night to be able to run the full gamut 384 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: and just to vote on what it is that makes 385 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: you happy. I thought it was really smart when Andy 386 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: said that a producer told him that they ask you 387 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: to vote for your favorite dance, not the best dance. 388 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: And so you know, that is the joy of America. 389 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: Having a vote is who do you want to see 390 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: more from? It doesn't have to be the best, It 391 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: just means who do you want to see again? And 392 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: that's where they have a lot of power. 393 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: Two things on that one I really want to share 394 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: so on so you think you can dance? Season one 395 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: one Fox, that was to find the best dancer, and 396 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: that was the MC was constantly the best dancer. They 397 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: changed it in season two, We're looking for your faith 398 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: a dancer, same thing because they realized, oh, the judges 399 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 3: choose one to be the best, but then the audience 400 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: chooses another because it's their favorite and not the best dancer. 401 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 3: And it's and also, to quote a famous hockey coach, 402 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: and he said, I am not looking for the best players. 403 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: I'm looking for the right players. And to me, that 404 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: is kind of similar. We're not looking for the best 405 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: dancer to win the show. We're looking for the favorite, 406 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: and hopefully the best dancer is also the favorite. 407 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, wow, yep, but well you know there. 408 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: It is. 409 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: As looking back on your time on the show, if 410 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 2: you had to select one of your famous partners to 411 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: say this is the one you'd make a highlight reel of, 412 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: regardless of where you placed, who would you say is 413 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: your highlight reel partner? 414 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: Easy? Kelly Osborne season nine really underdog. She was the 415 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: sea best kit. She was the one that I think, 416 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: just on paper, she was going to be the first 417 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 3: one going home. Yeah, and what I find and I'm 418 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 3: not I always get emotional when I talk about Kelly 419 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: because it was even though it was two thousand and nine, 420 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: that journey has not only affected her or maybe changed 421 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: her life, it has changed mind. I started building my confidence. 422 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: I know I'm a good teacher. I know I'm a 423 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 3: good coach. I mean, heck, I coached many of the 424 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: ones on the show. But it's it's that's the world 425 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: I'm in this is TV to affect and help someone 426 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 3: in front of millions and then for her to really 427 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: listen to what you have to say. And we also 428 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: had arguments. There were I mean, she danced in a 429 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: broken toe, her dog died during the show, and I 430 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: mean there were so many things that we had to 431 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 3: deal with. And then to be in the final because 432 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: of the audience, not because of the judges. The judges 433 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: score were always kind of lower and lower, and to 434 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 3: see her blossom and even now looking at her, even 435 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 3: after the show, there were ups and downs with her, 436 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 3: even in the press you could read it. But in 437 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: the long run, it's how she dealt with it and 438 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: how she's dealing with it. And now she's engaged, she 439 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: has a baby of her own which is growing up. 440 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: I mean quickly that that will be probably the most 441 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: trends formative partnership I think has ever been on the show. 442 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 3: And I am proud to have been her partner. And 443 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 3: that almost didn't happen because I believe, and if you 444 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 3: have Mark after me, I think originally Kelly was partnered 445 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: with Mark ballas with Mikey, and I believe not that 446 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: she said, look, I'm engaged to another guy. She's not 447 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: engaged with the same guy. Now, yeah, she wants someone gay, 448 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: she wants safety, that there would be no kind of well, 449 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think maybe if you're married and 450 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: you're doing the show, would you maybe you know, feel 451 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 3: the same way that you kind of want to either 452 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: be safe or be with another married pro that's on 453 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 3: the show. You know it's but anyway, so it almost 454 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: didn't happen, and it did happen, and yeah, that was 455 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: the most memorable I believe. 456 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: For me, I love that. 457 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: I love that even just to see you get emotional 458 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: talking about it, because I I feel as though the 459 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 2: show has been completely transformative for me as well, and 460 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: so has Pasha and Daniella in my life. So i'm 461 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: i'm it's it's always nice when I see that those 462 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: feelings are very real and you're still close and it's 463 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: not just something that's only going to last for the 464 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 2: you know, eleven weeks the show goes on, that it 465 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: really does actually change your life in the way it 466 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: feel like it feels as of right now like it has. 467 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that. 468 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: It's it's it's wonderful And for the viewers, how many 469 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 3: of you as celebrities say this has changed my life, 470 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: and then a lot of people probably roll their eyes. Yeah, 471 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 3: of course you're saying that. No, it's true. It has 472 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 3: also changed our lives as prod answers, the opportunities we've gotten. 473 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: And besides maybe two celebrities of my eleven I am 474 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: still in contact with and I'm still friends with, It's 475 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: not a lot because I don't live in La, so 476 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: it's it's a little different. But when I'm in La 477 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: for still, op Pressley and I will always dinner. Lisa 478 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: and I Rena we talked back and forth and or 479 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: we like each other's posts, and also you might become 480 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 3: friends with other pro dancers that are not for sure 481 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: or other celebrities on our side. It's it's really wonderful 482 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: what this show has done, had what it can mean 483 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: to people watching. 484 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: I love it. 485 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: You had a lot of close calls, although you've never 486 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: won a Mirror Ball like my partner Pasha. 487 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: Lisa. 488 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: Renna came in third, Monique Coleman and fourth, Nissi Nash 489 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: in fifth. 490 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: Was there anyone in. 491 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: Particular that you were partnered with other than Kelly who, 492 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 2: of course you made it to the final with But 493 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: was there another partner that you thought I can I'm 494 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: gonna win with this one. 495 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: All Star season, Yeah, Sam Bryan. I also wanted for 496 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 3: her to break the week six Furst elimination from season. 497 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 3: I think it was with Mark, and then ironically we 498 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: got eliminated week six. 499 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: I know. 500 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 3: And this is a message especially for your fans and 501 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: whoever's favorite is still in vote, vote vote, because in 502 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: week five we had three tents with our Cinderella Disney 503 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: Night walls. Then week six we had three tents with 504 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: our rumba and we had I believe three tents with 505 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: our group dance. So we went out on with sixty 506 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: out of sixty. And people think you're safe when you 507 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: get tens, you're safe. You are not safe. You're not safe. 508 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: And I hate to say that because I really I 509 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: mean Andy, it just looks such like such a nice guy. 510 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: But say you get high scores and people think, oh, 511 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 3: you you're safe because you get these high scores. No, 512 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 3: because a person like Andy gets so many votes that 513 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: even a lower scores can mean you're going home. So 514 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: make sure you vote, ladies and gentlemen, vote, vote, vote. 515 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: I know that is I interviewed Sabrina at the very 516 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: start of this podcast, and I asked her that question. 517 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: I was just straight up, I said, do you think 518 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: the reason you went home is because people saw those 519 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: high scores and just assumed that you were safe. Because 520 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: it's it's really the only explanation is that people go, oh, 521 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: I don't need to worry about her, but these other 522 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: people with lower scores, I need to boost them up 523 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: and then low and behold you don't get any votes. 524 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: No, no, it's it's true. It's really people need to vote, 525 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: and I think the message is clear and people are voting. 526 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 3: I mean, fifty five million votes, it's. 527 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: A lot of votes. 528 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: Yes, looking back on all your seasons, do you have 529 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: any idea thoughts on specific strategy to win, whether it's 530 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: how you arrange when you do which dance or song choices. 531 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: What are some of the strategies to winning as you 532 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: see it now? 533 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: All of the above I was missed a strategy. And 534 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 3: also when you have a non dancing celebrity, you have 535 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 3: to be very strategic in every decision but one. And 536 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: this is where being a veteran in this business helps. 537 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: For example, music, so many younger pros and maybe now 538 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 3: they've learned a lesson, they would find music maybe a 539 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 3: week two weeks before the show, and then if the 540 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: song that they really want is already chosen, but someone else, 541 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, so and so already chosen. So I would 542 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: have one hundred and fifty songs on a list divided 543 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 3: by dances discussed with my celebrity first day. Now what 544 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: they're doing is you are now getting a package to 545 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: fill out. So now the show doesn't But in the 546 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: early years it was on us, and so I would 547 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: make sure that yeah, no, already already asked for it. Oh, 548 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 3: already asked for it. Oh. And of course then when 549 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 3: I'm eliminated, they would have a lot of songs for 550 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: others to use, but I didn't at first it would 551 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: frustrate me. But at least with the strategy of music, 552 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: we mostly had the songs we wanted because I put 553 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: in the effort. So that's that's one thing. And when 554 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: it comes to the dances in close hold, like quick 555 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 3: step in tango, the rules are being bent very much 556 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: by the younger pros, and the judges don't always call 557 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 3: it out, which to mean they need to be how 558 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: the accountable. You're allowed ten seconds in open hold in 559 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: the beginning and at the end with tangoing quick steps. 560 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: So I want these dances out of the way as 561 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: early as possible. Get it out of the way. So 562 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: later in the season, you want to the dances where 563 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 3: you can lift. You want to have the dances that 564 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: are more exuberant, like the or the give the higher 565 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: energy or the heartfelt dances. But also depends on who. 566 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 3: How is my celebrity perceived. If she is perceived as 567 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 3: more hardcore, then I need to work on the softer side. 568 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 3: So I want to have those dances later in the season. 569 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 3: So I was glad with Kelly. I kept Rumba for 570 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 3: as late as possible and then really show the heartfelt side, 571 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,879 Speaker 3: the heart strings, play on the heart strings. So I mean, 572 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 3: I could. There are so many more strategies, but the 573 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 3: dances get us boring dances that you have to stay 574 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: close holds out of the way. 575 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: Really smart, really super smart? 576 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: Well you know, I think. 577 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 2: So are you looking forward to the twentieth anniversary show? 578 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: Will you be in the audience again? 579 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: Oh? I will be in the audience. I cannot wait. 580 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 3: It's you know, I've done eleventh season out of thirty 581 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 3: four and I think of one of the pros that 582 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: have come back over time and coming back again. I 583 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: did three years ago I was back on the show, 584 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 3: So I've kind of been part of every single change 585 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: or with a new or a different showrunner, or they 586 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 3: went into a different direction and then it came back. 587 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 3: So I've been part of that show with the whole 588 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 3: rollercoaster of all thirty four seasons, and it's so wonderful 589 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: to see after twenty years, thirty four seasons, the show 590 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: is back number one, the most votes ever and so Danielle, 591 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: I thank you and your fellow celebrities for bringing it 592 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 3: back to where it is right now, because it's ultimately 593 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 3: the celebrities that are on the show that are bringing 594 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 3: back the viewers time and time again. So thank you. 595 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 3: It's it's exciting because you've made it so far. You 596 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: have nothing to lose, so you can take the nerves 597 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 3: and give up, or you take the nurse the nerves 598 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: and switch on, use the adrenaline and say, people at 599 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 3: home watch this, and it's you have nothing to lose 600 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 3: every time you make it past week five. In my opinion, 601 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 3: as a person that does not have a lot of 602 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 3: dance experience, but a lot of acting experience. You've done 603 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: your job, you're going for honors. Now you're going through cumblaude. 604 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 3: So whatever they throw at you, enjoy it and see 605 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 3: it as they come on. Bring it on, bring it on. 606 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: I really love that advice. 607 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 2: I have been I'm just going to full transparency. I've 608 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: really been struggling this week. We had our we have 609 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: our team down. I'm a team captain and the team 610 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 2: dance is amazing. I picked, if I have to, if 611 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: I do say so myself, I picked an all star 612 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: team and it didn't come randomly. I had a full 613 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: strategy going into it, and my strategy paid off and 614 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: I was thrilled with my choices. But my choices were 615 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: such that I am by far the weakest at least 616 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: female link on the team, which is never fun to 617 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: feel like, Okay, everybody's picking this up so fast, and 618 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 2: I really need this to slow down. 619 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to let it go because you're You're 620 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: not the weakest link. You are the person that came 621 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 3: in with the least amount of dance experience, so the 622 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 3: pressure is on them, not you. Okay, everyone knows you 623 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 3: have grown from week one to now leaps and bounds. 624 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 3: You have the likability factor and you have no problem 625 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 3: with the character of the dance. Focus regardless of who 626 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,959 Speaker 3: is in your team. What can you control. The only 627 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 3: thing you can control is your movements, the involvement in 628 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 3: the movement, listening to the music and do your part. 629 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: That's what you can control. You can control Oh, how 630 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: the judges look at you, or what the comments they're making. Oh, 631 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 3: oh gosh, you it's we can go psycho when you 632 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 3: listen to everything and everyone reads social media, or even 633 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 3: the looks of the other dances in your team, horse 634 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 3: caps on. Focus on you and Pasha and your work. 635 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 3: That's all you can do. 636 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. 637 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 2: I would like to ask you have you have you 638 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 2: seen all of my dances? And if so, even if 639 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 2: you haven't, what if you could give me one piece 640 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 2: of advice moving forward? What would you say to me 641 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: and how I can improve and how I can do 642 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: better next week and for as long as I'm able 643 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:15,919 Speaker 2: to remain on the show. 644 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: So I have seen them all, okay, And I was 645 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 3: wondering if you were going to ask me this question, 646 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 3: And like I said, I kind of already fed into 647 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 3: it a little bit earlier. You have the likability factor. 648 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 3: You could clearly tell you an actress, so you can 649 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 3: like a chameleon, you step into these different dances. If I, 650 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 3: like I said, you're you've come so far already. It's 651 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 3: like an onion that you peel off every single week 652 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 3: and you show a little bit more of yourself. I 653 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 3: would say, rip off all the layers that are left. 654 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 3: It's like when you have your hair ted Lewis, take 655 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 3: off your throw that lose and right. It's the emotional self, 656 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 3: your personal emotional self. I feel hell is held back. Yeah, 657 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 3: because you're a kind person. You're a person and we 658 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 3: haven't met, but it resonates. You can tell through the 659 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: screen you're a kind person the relationship you have with 660 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 3: with Pasha. But I would say, f kind, go for it. 661 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: And if you question if you could make the final 662 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 3: or not, or you could win the show, everyone that's 663 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 3: still in can win. So you focus on the work. 664 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 3: You focus on what dance do you have this week? Person, 665 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 3: temporary contemporary, take off all these layers and go raw, raw, raw, 666 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 3: don't go in well maybe people won't like this or 667 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 3: oh well maybe this might screw up. Or that lift 668 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 3: that's coming, Oh my gosh, that lift, yeah, commit, commit, 669 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: commit to the work, okay, and if there's any doubts, 670 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 3: talk about it with Pasha. Whatever doubt there is, talk, 671 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 3: But for me, you you've earned the spot and you can. 672 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 3: You deserve to be in that finalist as much as 673 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 3: every other one, because you came with much less dance 674 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 3: experience maybe. 675 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: Zero, yeah zero, I think I danced at my wedding last. 676 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: There you go, so remind yourself of that. You have 677 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: to tell yourself too, look at what I've done in 678 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 3: eight weeks time. 679 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. 680 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 3: Well, the others have had dance training four years and 681 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 3: you can tell, you can tell, and and you know. Therefore, 682 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 3: take out all the stops and commit, commit, commit. 683 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 2: I appreciate your advice more than you know. It's been. 684 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: It's been my work for this week. It's been exactly 685 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 2: what Pasha has been saying to me too. So the 686 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 2: fact that I have two of you who I consider 687 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: to be absolute legends and the world does as well, 688 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: I know that you are right, and so I will 689 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 2: be thinking of you today in my rehearsal. I'm going 690 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 2: to try and peel back all those layers of the 691 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 2: onion and be my emotional raw self. I do have 692 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 2: a perfect song for it, a perfect story we're telling 693 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 2: through it, So this is the week to do it. 694 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 2: If I'm ever going to do it, this is. 695 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 3: The week may ask what is the song in the story? 696 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 2: We are doing dream On by Aerosmith because it's Rock 697 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 2: and Roll Hall of Fame Week and dream On is 698 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite songs. It's also one 699 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 2: of Pasha's all time favorite songs. And the story that 700 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 2: I'm talking about, which is ultimately why I think this 701 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 2: week has been difficult for me, is we are telling 702 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 2: the story about how difficult it can be to be 703 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 2: a woman in society, where we are somehow always too 704 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 2: much and also never enough, no matter what choice you may, 705 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 2: whether it's working outside the home or working inside the home, 706 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 2: if you choose to work outside, you're selfish and your 707 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 2: children need you and where's their mother? And if you 708 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 2: work inside the home, then you are boring and you 709 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 2: don't have interests. And if you get botox and fillers, 710 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 2: then you're not aging gracefully. And if you age gracefully, 711 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 2: then you look old and ugly. And if you are 712 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 2: too thin, you're told to eat a burger, and if 713 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 2: you gain weight, you're told to get off the couch, 714 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 2: and there's just really it feels like there's no winning. 715 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 2: And having been in the public eye and on TV 716 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 2: since I was ten years old, I have been, you know, 717 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 2: under a microscope, and my choices have been scrutinized, and 718 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 2: I've made terrible mistakes, and you know, there's a lot, 719 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot there. And the story is kind of 720 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 2: about how you can quiet the outside noise and dream 721 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 2: your own dreams and live life to the fullest, use 722 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 2: that negativity maybe to rise above, because you never know 723 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 2: when you're going to dance your last dance or have 724 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,439 Speaker 2: your last day. 725 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 1: And so that's the story. 726 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 2: And it has been a difficult week for me because 727 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 2: I have been really resistant to the dance I've been 728 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 2: and have been blaming it on things like I'm not 729 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 2: good at it, or I don't like this move, or 730 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 2: like I've just been really resistant. And then it hit 731 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 2: me yesterday after having a really bad rehearsal, and of 732 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 2: course it's no fault of Pasha's. 733 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: Pasha is the same he is every day. I was 734 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: just in a really down. 735 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 2: Place and it just hit me last night that like, 736 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm resistant to it because it's it's triggering so many 737 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 2: things in me. It's triggering a lot of negative self talk, 738 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 2: it's triggering disordered eating. It's like triggering all of these 739 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 2: things that are so personal, and instead of me leaning 740 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 2: into it and embracing that in the dance, it's making 741 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,320 Speaker 2: me not want to do it. So it's been a 742 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 2: rough week, but I think like the fact that I 743 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 2: realized it made me wake up today and think one 744 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 2: so happy to be talking to you and for you 745 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 2: to have given me the advice you gave, because it 746 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 2: really lands and resonates. And also just you know, it's 747 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 2: very clear that this is striking an emotional chord for 748 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,479 Speaker 2: me and there's a reason for that, and this dance 749 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 2: is actually special and means something. 750 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 3: So thank you for sharing, Danielle, And this is a beautiful, 751 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 3: heartfelt moment for you and just having this conversation. This 752 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 3: is why I loved or loved doing Dancing with the Stars. 753 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,479 Speaker 3: This is where friendships are born in these moments. And 754 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,279 Speaker 3: you have been on TV since the age of ten. 755 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 3: You have kids, right, so your mom, your a wife 756 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 3: who can say in there whatever age you are, yeah, 757 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 3: have your success and so let these triggers be the 758 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 3: reasons why you are peel that onion and in a 759 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 3: metaphorical way, on Monday, jump off that cliff, Yeah, and 760 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,399 Speaker 3: fly sore, live it take And when I said take 761 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 3: the health, throw it now, when you said. 762 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: You have that song, yeah exactly. 763 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 3: There are moments where you just I mean dream on 764 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 3: dream and you have dreamed, but you also have made 765 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 3: a reality. So it's kind of nostalgic that all these 766 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 3: triggers from the past. Yeah, Tuesday is going to be 767 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 3: your your biggest therapy session exactly. 768 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: That is what it's like. 769 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 3: You for you, and the world happens to have a seat, yeah, 770 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 3: to watch you experience that. And this is to me 771 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 3: why Dance It with the Stars is still on the 772 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 3: air after twenty years because of your frankness, uronness of 773 00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 3: just sharing this for I don't know how many people 774 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 3: click in, but it's millions. Yeah, and you have no 775 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 3: problem showing you the raw, Danielle. So on Tuesday, you 776 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 3: know what to do. 777 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, thank you, I am This conversation has 778 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 2: meant so much to me and you are just a 779 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,800 Speaker 2: true legend, and I thank you so much for spending 780 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 2: your time. I can't wait to see you next week. 781 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna take your advice on Tuesday, 782 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 2: and I will truly, I'll be thinking of you on 783 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 2: Tuesday when when it goes the way I hope it goes, 784 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 2: I will have in the back of my mind, thank you, Louis. 785 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 3: And you have each other, you have Pasha, but ultimately 786 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,399 Speaker 3: trust you. Yeah, and you You're gonna do fantastic raw. 787 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 3: The raw Danielle is coming out on Tuesday. Thank you 788 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,239 Speaker 3: for having me. I really enjoy doing this and you've 789 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 3: done amazing this season. And I can wait to watch 790 00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 3: Tuesday night. 791 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and we have to make a point to actually 792 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:03,959 Speaker 2: meet next week. 793 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: I need to. 794 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 3: I will not. 795 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 2: I will not rest until I have been able to 796 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,479 Speaker 2: give you a hug. 797 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 3: I promise I will come find you. Okay, Thanks, Thank you, Danielle, 798 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 3: and then joy rehearsal later. 799 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. I will Bye. 800 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 2: Danielle with the Stars Produced and hosted by Danielle Fischl. 801 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 2: Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge 802 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 2: of production, Danielle Romo, producer, editor and engineer Tara Sudbosch. 803 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 2: Theme song by Justin Siegel. Follow us on Instagram at 804 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 2: Danielle with Stars and vote for me