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Speaker 1: talk with Rebecca Rubin, Friday's box office chief, on the

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Speaker 1: surprisingly strong opening for the Conjuring Last Rites, and we'll

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Speaker 1: from sunday Nights Creative Arts Emmy Award. Before we get

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Speaker 1: we're talking box office with Rebecca Rubin, our senior film

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Speaker 1: and eight year reporter. She breaks down the big numbers

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Speaker 1: for the Conjuring Last Rites. She dug in and found

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Speaker 1: that this opening sets a new record for distributor Warner

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Speaker 1: Brothers and the industry itself. Rebecca Rubin, Welcome back from

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Speaker 1: the Venice Film Festival where you killed it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me, and you came back to some big

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Speaker 1: box office news. Even though we had predicted a couple

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Speaker 2: It was definitely a very strong start to the fall season,

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Speaker 2: and heading into the weekend, independent tracking services were suggesting

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Speaker 2: that Conjuring the Last Rites was going to have a

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Speaker 2: debut of fifty million to sixty million, which already would

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Speaker 1: Do you think there was desire to see a horror

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Speaker 2: The Conjurary Movie I did very well in Imax. It

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Speaker 2: And that's been coming from a Minecraft movie, Sinners Final Destination, Superman,

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Speaker 5: What really surprised me last night was The Penguin, which

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Speaker 4: I mean, the big thing that we're all keeping an

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Speaker 1: Well, as promised, here's a clip from Saturday night. Backstage

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Speaker 9: get right. We have the ability, we have the artisans,

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Speaker 1: As we close out today's episode, here's a few things

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Speaker 1: Building drops on Hulu on Tuesday. Also on Tuesday, Variety's

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Speaker 1: the publication of Variety's TV Producer's Impact Report. Emily Longeretta

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Speaker 1: CNBC's Squawkbox is celebrating its thirtieth anniversary. They'll have a

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Speaker 1: CEO packed line up this week, including Mario Gabelli, Ted Leonsis,

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Speaker 1: congrats to Justin Manfriedi, who has joined Lionsgate as Executive

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Speaker 1: vice president of Worldwide Television Marketing. He spent the past

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Speaker 1: four years at Apple TV Plus. And a Gridiron salute

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Speaker 1: to my great Friday colleague Mark Malkin. Mark got to

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Speaker 1: serve as coin toss captain for the La Rams game

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Speaker 1: at Sofi Stadium on Sunday. He was saluted by Cedars

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Speaker 1: Sinai and the American Heart Association for sharing his journey

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Speaker 1: find that beautifully told story on Variety dot Com right now.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. This episode was written and reported by

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Speaker 1: me Cynthia Littleton, with contributions from Rebecca Rubin, Michael Schneider,

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Speaker 1: and Jazz Tank. It was edited by Aaron Greenwald.

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