1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious, and 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: sometimes unexplained. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: Now listen to this. 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 9 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 4: Hi. 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years years, I've 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: been on a journey to prove the existence of life 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: after death. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we 16 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: now know that our loved ones have survived physical death, 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. 18 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: I love stories of near death experiences, and I have 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: a sneaky suspicion. 20 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: You do too. 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 3: I want to read to you a few short stories 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: that are real. This happened to a five year old 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 3: blind girl, she says, I slowly breathed in the water 24 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 3: and became unconscious. A beautiful lady dressed in bright white 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: light pulled me out. The lady looked into my eyes 26 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: and asked me what I wanted. I was unable to 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: think of anything until it occurred to me to travel 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: around the lake. As I did, I saw a detail 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: that I would have never seen in my real life. 30 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: I could go any where, even to the tops of 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: the trees, simply by intending to go there. I was 32 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: legally blind. For the first time. I was able to 33 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: see leaves on trees, birds feathers, birds, eyes, details on 34 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: the telephone poles, and what was in people's backyards. I 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: was seeing for the very first time. Here's another story. 36 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: During my surgery, I felt myself lift for my body 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: and go above the operating table. The doctor told me 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: later they had kept my heart open and stopped for 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: a very long time, and they had a great amount 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: of difficulty getting my heart started again. That must have 41 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: been when I left my body, because I could see 42 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: doctors nervously trying to get my heart going. It was 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: so strange to be detached from my physical body. I 44 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: was curious about what they were doing, but not really concerned. Then, 45 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: as I drifted farther away, I saw my father at 46 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: the head of the table. He looked up at me, 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 3: which did give me a surprise because he had been 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: dead for almost a year. Another story, I approached the boundary. 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: No explanation was necessary for me to understand at the 50 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: age of ten, that once I crossed the boundary, I 51 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: could never come back. I was more than thrilled to cross. 52 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: I intended to cross, but my ancestors over another boundary 53 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 3: caught my attention. They were talking to me in telepathy, 54 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: which really caught my attention. I was born profoundly deaf 55 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: and now had all hearing that my family members did, 56 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: all of which new sign language when I was alive. 57 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: Now I could read or communicate with about twenty ancestors 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: of mine and others through telepathic methods. It overwhelmed me. 59 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: I could not believe how many people I could tell simultaneously. 60 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: One more, I almost died. Back in June of twenty twenty, 61 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: I was hit by a car while riding my motorcycle. 62 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: I blacked out, was hospitalized for a month and a half, 63 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: and my leg even got amputated. I don't know if 64 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: the accident itself did this to me, or the pain 65 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: and trauma did, or the place that I went to 66 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: when I blacked out. But I swear I've gotten so 67 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: much smarter and more in tune with everything. I am 68 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: hyper detail oriented, I have crazy motivational drive, and I 69 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: also feel like I can just understand things others can't. 70 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: I see the world so differently now. I can sense 71 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: people's energies and it helps me understand what people are 72 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 3: going through. There definitely is a change to me after 73 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: my near death experience. We love hearing about near death 74 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: experiences and can be inspired by these stories and reunions, 75 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: and they help us know that we go on after death. 76 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: There is a term called after effects of a near 77 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: death experience that people have, and often we can share 78 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: these effects by hearing stories. After effects include such things 79 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: like a reduced fear of death, increased belief in life 80 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: after death, interest in the meaning of life, acceptance of others, 81 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: and becoming more loving and empathic. The majority of people 82 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 3: make their lives about helping others through life. Some after 83 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: effects happen immediately, others may take years to fully manifest. 84 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: Doctor Pim van Lommel did a large study and divided 85 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: survivors of cardiac arrest into a group that had near 86 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: death experiences and a group that did not. The after 87 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: effects of both groups were assessed two in eight years 88 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: after their cardiac arrests. The group of survivors with near 89 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: death experiences were statistically much more likely to have a 90 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 3: reduced fear of death, increased belief in the afterlife, interest 91 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: in the meaning of life, acceptance of others, and were 92 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: much more loving, where there didn't seem to be much 93 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: change in the values of those who didn't. It is 94 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: remarkable that near death experiences often occurred during only minutes 95 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: or seconds of unconsciousness, yet commonly result in lifelong transformations 96 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: of beliefs and values. Ninety nine percent of near death 97 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: experiences said that their experience was real. But can a 98 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: near death experience unlock any extraordinary abilities in a person? Today, 99 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: on our show, I am so happy to share a 100 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: special story of a physician who was struck by lightning 101 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: only to receive a passion for music. I can't wait 102 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: for you to hear it. Also, two of my personal 103 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: favorite stories are of doctor Rajiev Parti and Anita Morjani. 104 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: Anita Morjani, author of the book dying to be me, 105 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: which I highly recommend. Had cancer that had spread throughout 106 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: her body and doctor said it was too late to 107 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: save her. All of Anita's organs had shut down and 108 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: she entered into a coma. She witnessed so much in 109 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: her near death experience, including being encouraged to return to 110 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: life by her deceased father and her best friend who 111 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: told her that she needed to return and live her 112 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: life fearlessly. When she came out of this coma, her 113 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: tumors shrank by about seventy percent within four days, and 114 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: within five weeks she was cancer free and was released 115 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: from the hospital. Now, she did have to spend a 116 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: few months in physiotherapy to regain her strength and to 117 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: use oliver muscles and limbs again. But today, in twenty 118 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: twenty four, Anita Morjani remains cancer free and makes her 119 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: life about helping other people and sharing the reality of 120 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: the afterlife. Doctor Rajiv Partis was chief of anesthesiology at 121 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: Hart Hospital in Bakersfield, California. He loved his wealth and 122 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: the prestige that his job gave him. He lived in 123 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: a mansion, had several luxury cars, and was able to 124 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 3: purchase anything he wanted. In August of two thousand and eight, 125 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: everything changed in his life when he was diagnosed with 126 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: prostate cancer due to an infection. He was admitted into 127 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: the hospital where he had his near death experience. Although 128 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: deep from anesthesia, he was aware that his consciousness had 129 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: somehow left his body. From a vantage point near the ceiling, 130 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: he could see the surgeon cut him open and all 131 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: of the operating room personnel cover their faces from the 132 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: odor that his infected abdomen seeped throughout the room. He 133 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: said his senses became so acute that he could hear, 134 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: see and smell things inside and outside of the operating room. 135 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: He even heard the anesthesiologist tell a dirty joke that 136 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: made the doctor blush when he later repeated what he 137 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: heard in the operating room. His spirit left the operating room, and, 138 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: although still in the United States, he drifted into India, 139 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: where he could hear his mother and sister talking about 140 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: what they were preparing for dinner that night. Fear ended 141 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 3: up finding its way into his experience. He had the 142 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: feeling of being pulled into darkness filled with screams and 143 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: sounds of fighting. Eventually, he saw a white light in 144 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: the distance and instinctively began praying. The white light turned 145 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: to a light of love, and he was shown his 146 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: life that he was not practicing forgiveness or compassion to 147 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: himself or others. He soon felt very sorry for the 148 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: lack of kindness and his behavior, wishing he could have 149 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: done certain things differently in his life. His book Dying 150 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: to Wake Up tells the story of him being an anesthesiologist, 151 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: making people fall asleep before surgery and now after the 152 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: near death experience, waking them up as to who they 153 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: are and what their life is for. There's much more 154 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: to his story, of course, but he shares what he 155 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: calls the near death Manifesto. One Consciousness can exist outside 156 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: the body. Two there is life after death. Three Our 157 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 3: experiences in life shape our current reality. Four We are 158 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: all connected to each other because we are all made 159 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: of the one and same energy that manifests as differentiated matter. 160 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: Five Divine beings exist and help and guide us. Six 161 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: there are different levels of consciousness, and seven there is 162 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: one all pervading, supreme love and intelligence that is the 163 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: source of the entire universe, and that love is the 164 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 3: supreme source of creation. In their latest book, Proof of 165 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: Life After Life, seven reasons to believe there is an 166 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: after life. Doctor Raymond Moody and Paul Perry share this. 167 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: There are many stories of near death experiences leading to 168 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: the life changing acquisition of new talents, the changing of professions, 169 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: or the overcoming of something like crippling anxiety. Why these 170 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: spontaneous improvements take place is not known. Some have speculated 171 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: that the brain changes due to neural plasticity, the reorganization 172 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: of the brain's neuronal connections that sometimes takes place after 173 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: a stroke or the brain trauma of an accident. Neural 174 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: plasticity proves to us that the brain is capable of 175 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: reorganizing or rerouting its neurons to compensate for traumatic damage. 176 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: Yet for neural reorganization to be the cause of these 177 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 3: spontaneous improvements is most likely impossible. After all, successfully rewiring 178 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: the brain after neurological damage can take substantial rehab, and 179 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: then effects of original damage most often still remain. There 180 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: is clearly, to me and a growing number of researchers 181 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: something more happening here. 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Doctor Tony Sechoria is a well known 203 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: orthopedic surgeon, very busy man no particular interest in the afterlife. 204 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: When he was struck by lightn in nineteen ninety four. 205 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: The bolt was enough to kill him, but it didn't. 206 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: What it did do is leave him with a sudden 207 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: craving for classical music, in particular the piano. Doctor Tony 208 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: is regular, down to earth, and I know he'll enjoy 209 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: his story just as much as I do. 210 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: My wife normally would have a big party every August. 211 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: In this particular August in nineteen ninety four was going 212 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: to be at a place called Sleepy Hollow Lake in 213 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: upstate New York, about twenty five people, lots of kids 214 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: running around, and my wife had rented a pavilion, and 215 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: I was elected the cook. And that's the way the 216 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: days started. As I was out working the barbecue, I 217 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: thought I hadn't checked on my mom because she was 218 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: not there. I thought I'd better go call her. So 219 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: I got somebody to cover the barbecue, and I walked 220 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: around in front of the building and there was a 221 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: pay phone attached to it, and I picked up the 222 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: phone and I dial a number and let it ring 223 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: four or five six times, and she never picked up. 224 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: So I thought, oh, I'll try again later. And as 225 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: I took the phone away from my face, I heard 226 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: a huge crack, and I saw this big flash of 227 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: light come out of the phone and hit me in 228 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: the face, and knew exactly what it was, a lightning strike. 229 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: What I hadn't realized because I was paying attention to 230 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: the grill, was that a storm cloud had brewed up 231 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: over the lake that we were next to, and I 232 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: hadn't been paying attention. I see the big flash of 233 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: lake come out of the phone, hits me in the 234 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: face and throws me back like a rag doll. It 235 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: really threw me backwards. And that's when things really got interesting, 236 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: because as I was being thrown backwards, all of a sudden, 237 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: I had this very strange sensation of moving forwards. I 238 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: remember standing there thinking, how is this possible. I know 239 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: I got hit. I saw it and knew I'd been 240 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: thrown back like a rag doll. And here I am standing, 241 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: and I'm looking around and look at the phone, and 242 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: the phone is just dangling. Nothing's making any sense. At 243 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: that point, I hear my mother in law screaming, and 244 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: I'm down at the bottom of the stairs and everybody 245 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: else is up on the first floor. All of a sudden, 246 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: she's running down the stairs right at me, and I'm thinking, 247 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: it's not good when your mother in law's screaming and 248 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: running at you. Is she got down in front of me. 249 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: I could tell that she couldn't see me because she 250 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: was looking off to her left. As she got to 251 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: the bottom of the stairs, he was like, I wasn't 252 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: even there, and she just took off to the left, 253 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: and I thought, what the hell is going on? And 254 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: so I started to follow her. And I took a 255 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: few steps following her, and all of a sudden, I'm 256 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 2: confronted with myself on the ground. I remember looking down 257 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: and going, oh shit, I'm dead. It was a shock, 258 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: I guess all of my life, I thought that when 259 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: you died there would be some sort of notification, who 260 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: knows what it was, but I didn't expect to have 261 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: it not even be known. I thought there'd be some 262 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: of bells or whistles that would go off, but there 263 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: was absolutely nothing. So I'm standing there and I'm looking 264 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 2: at myself on the ground as this is happening. My 265 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 2: mind is racing like crazy, and I'm trying to make 266 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: sense to this, and all of a sudden, I'm saying 267 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 2: to myself, wait a minute, I'm thinking, just like a 268 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: normally would. I'm obviously not in that body that's on 269 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: the ground. I'm standing out here. I can hear everybody. 270 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: I can see everybody, but nobody can see or hear me, 271 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: and I'm trying to get their attention and nothing seemed 272 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: to work. And then I saw this lady who actually 273 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: was waiting to use the phone behind me. She started 274 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: to get down and do CPR. Turns out she was 275 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: a nurse from one of the local hospitals. And help 276 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: fortuitous is that get struck by lightning to have somebody 277 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: waiting to save it from going to the other side. 278 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: So she got down and she starts doing what she's 279 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: supposed to do. And at this point, I'm thinking, nobody 280 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: can see me, nobody can hear me. I'm feeling stupid, 281 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 2: and I thought I'm going to go check on my 282 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: family because they were upstairs. My wife and my three 283 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: kids are up there, and I thought, I'm going to 284 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: go up the stairs and see what's going on. So 285 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: I walk over to the stairs and I start to 286 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: go up, and I get to about the third stair 287 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: and I'm looking down at the stairs because I was 288 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: afraid I'm gonna fall face forward on the stairs. So 289 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: I always watch what I'm doing. As I'm looking down, 290 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,239 Speaker 2: I noticed that my legs are starting to dissolve, and 291 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: I thought, Wow, this is getting really intense, and I 292 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 2: just kept going up the stairs. By the time I 293 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: got to the top of the stairs, I had lost 294 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: all form. I was just a ball of energy. The 295 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: stairs go off to the left, and I said, what 296 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: the hell, I'm not going to go upstairs. I just 297 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: went through the wall, and when I got to the 298 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: other side of the wall, I came out right over 299 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: the top of where my wife was sitting, and she's 300 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: painting children's faces, and I made a mental note of 301 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: where the kids were, who was standing where, who the 302 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: kids were in, what pattern they were standing in. I 303 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: don't know why I did that, but I did. Later on, 304 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: I verified that was exactly the way they were standing. 305 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 2: When I got to the other side of the room 306 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: that was going on a diagonal, I went through the 307 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: roof and suddenly I'm outside. And that's when things really 308 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: got crazy interesting, because it was like I had fallen 309 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: into a river of pure positive energy. It wasn't anything 310 00:20:54,800 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: in this river of energy except absolute love and absolute peace. 311 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: It was his bluish white light and It had a 312 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: sparkly appearance to it, and it made me think of 313 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: when I was a kid and I'd be swimming in 314 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: a crystal clear stream and I'd see the sun shining 315 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: through the water as I was underneath the water. It 316 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: reminded me of that. As I was looking at this 317 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 2: light energy, I could tell what it felt like. And 318 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: as I looked around, I started to see that whatever 319 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: this energy was, it actually made up everything. I could 320 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: look at the trees and see the energy flowing into 321 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: the trees, and everything was made up of whatever this 322 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: energy was. And I thought to myself, I'm thinking, this 323 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: is the God. Energy is what everything is made of. 324 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: It's so powerful I could measure this, So my science 325 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: brain's kicking in and going, we could look at this. 326 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: But the more I looked at it, I could actually 327 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: see the energy pad and it had a sine wave pattern, 328 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: and I could see it flowing and it went through everything. 329 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: And at this point I could tell that I was 330 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: moving someplace. I had no idea where I was going. 331 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: I could feel speed in direction, so I was accelerating 332 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: into something, but I had no idea what. At this point, 333 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: I've become absolutely euphoric over the fact that this is 334 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: the greatest thing that could ever happen to somebody. I 335 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: had a short period where I saw high points and 336 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 2: low points in my life, almost like a collage of 337 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: pictures just showed me pictures in this and this and that, 338 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: and there wasn't a lot of emotion around it. It 339 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: was just these are things that happened in your life 340 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: that were of some significance, and there was no explanation 341 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: other than the fact that they just passed on. So 342 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: I settled down and I'm floating in this river of 343 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: pure positive energy, and I'm thinking, again, this is the 344 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: greatest thing that could ever happen to somebody, And I 345 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: was just excited about where it was going. And then 346 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was like somebody flipped a switch. 347 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: I was back in my body and I was pissed. 348 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 2: I was like, no, don't make me go back. You 349 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: can't do this to me. I quickly realized that it's 350 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: not up to me. I'm laying there on the ground 351 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: and in a place where it hit me in the 352 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: face and came out my foot. It felt like somebody 353 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: had taken hot pokers and stuck them in both of 354 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: those places. But I'm still unconscious, and the lady who 355 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: was next to me had stopped CPR. She just kneeling 356 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: next to me. But I still can't open my eyes 357 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: look at anybody. So it took several minutes before I 358 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: had enough mental function to be able to open my 359 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 2: eyes and say anything. And at that point I just 360 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: embarrassed myself because the first thing I said to this 361 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: lady who's kneeling next to me and saved my life, 362 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: I said, it's it's okay, I'm a doctor, and she 363 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: just kind of laughed and she said, hell, you weren't 364 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 2: a minute ago. And I thought, okay, I'm just making 365 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: a fool of myself, so I'm going to shut up, 366 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: which I did, and of course the police and the 367 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: ambulance came, and I said, no, I'm not going. When 368 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: you get struck by lightning, either alive or dead, there's 369 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: not much in between. At that point, I talked to 370 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: my family and I said, take me home, let me 371 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: see my cardiologists, to my neurologists, and let's let me 372 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: just get out of this. So they took me home 373 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: and I saw my doctors and everybody said the same thing. 374 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: Are you lucky to be here, I was like, okay, 375 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: but I was tormented by what did it mean? When 376 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 2: I started to think about it, And everything in life 377 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: is a series of probabilities. I started thinking about, what's 378 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: the probability of those bultiple lightning several million volts worth 379 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: striking a building losing enough of its current by the 380 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: time it gets to you that it doesn't turn you 381 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: into a French fry, It just stops your heart. And 382 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: what's the probability of having a nurse standing behind you 383 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: so that just in case you got a little too much, 384 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 2: somebody was going to be there to jump start your 385 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: heart again. When I started looking at all this stuff, 386 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, there's nothing random about this. As Einstein used 387 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: to say, God does not throw dice, and that's true. 388 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. 389 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: But I was given no reasons. I had no idea, 390 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: and I was haunted by the fact that this thing 391 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: happened and I had no idea why and what it 392 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: meant or what I was supposed to take from it. 393 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: And then shortly after that, it was about two weeks 394 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: after the event, After the lightning, it took me about 395 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: a week to get the circuits running again properly. That 396 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: first week, I could look right at you and say, 397 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: I know who you are. I'll be damn if I 398 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: can find your name. It's locked in a box some 399 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: place up there and I can't get to it. And 400 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 2: there were a lot of things like that. I knew 401 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: that I knew something, but I couldn't get to where 402 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 2: that finle was. After a week that disappeared, it seemed 403 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: like everything was back to normal. But about another week 404 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: or two after that, I started having this really incredible 405 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: desire to hear classical piano music. 406 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: This is a good time to take our break because 407 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: he has a lot more to say about what happens. 408 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: This is the after effect of a near death experience 409 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 3: of orthopedic surgeon Tony Sekoria. So we'll be right back. 410 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 411 00:26:48,200 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Don't go anywhere. 412 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming right up. 413 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: The best afterlife information you can get. Well, You're all 414 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Hi. This is 415 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: your followgist. Kevin Randall and you're listening to the iHeartRadio 416 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 417 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champagne 418 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 3: and you're listening to the near death experience of doctor 419 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 3: Tony Sechoria. We last left him recovering from being struck 420 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 3: by a bolt of lightning. Let's see where the story continues. 421 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: Another week or two after that, I started having this 422 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 2: really incredible desire to hear classical piano music, which was 423 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: a really strange thing for me because I was a 424 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: kid of the sixties. There was rock and roll and 425 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 2: there wasn't much of anything else. But all of a sudden, 426 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: I can't do anything without thinking about this absolute desire 427 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: to hear this. It was so strong that I drove 428 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: an hour to Albany, which was the nearest big city 429 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: that would have classical piano music on CDs. I went 430 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: into this music store and as I walked in it, it 431 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 2: seemed like there was a CD that you jumped off 432 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: the shelf into my hands, and it was Vladimir Ashkenazi 433 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 2: playing his favorite chowpin. At this point, I didn't know 434 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: what to do with all of it. I was so 435 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: taken by this music, and I started listening to the 436 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: CD and I listened to it NonStop and made everybody 437 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: else listen to it. I'm sure they were sick of 438 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: hearing it. I just couldn't stop. It was just a 439 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: compulsion that had made no sense to me. But within 440 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 2: a very short period of time of listening to this music, 441 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: I realized that it's not going to be enough to 442 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 2: listen to this music. I need to know how to 443 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: play it, which was a big problem since I didn't 444 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: have a piano and I didn't know how to play. 445 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: The very next day, one of where babysitters came to 446 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: the house and said, I'm going to be moving and 447 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: I have this old, upright piano. I need the store 448 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: for a year. Could I store it at your house? 449 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, okay, this is really getting weird now. 450 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, I have a piano. She 451 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: loads the piano in the house, and I'm thinking, now 452 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: I need to learn how to play. So I went 453 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: and bought a couple of books and how to try 454 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: to teach yourself to play, And at the same time, 455 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: I ordered all the sheet music from the CD, which 456 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: is magical. Thinking I don't know what the hell I 457 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: was thinking. Their people have been playing this stuff for 458 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: ten years and still wouldn't attempt to do that, but 459 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: didn't seem to matter. I was determined to learn how 460 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: to do this, and so I started to try to 461 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: teach myself. And within a few more weeks of that, 462 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: I go into bed as normal, But all of a sudden, 463 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: I have this dream. And in this dream it was 464 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: like an out of body experience. I'm walking out onto 465 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: the stage and I'm walking toward myself. I'm way out 466 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: on the front edge of the stage. I'm giving a 467 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: concert at this concert hall. I'm listening to this music 468 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: that I'm playing, and as I'm walking up behind myself, 469 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: the thought comes to me that this is not somebody 470 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: else's music, this is mine, and I thought, okay, so 471 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: I start listening intently to it. I walked up behind 472 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 2: myself and I'm listening to what I'm playing, and I'm 473 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: watching everything, and I'm looking at the concert hall and 474 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: the ending had this loud, crashing ending. It woke me up, 475 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: so I got up and I sat on the edge 476 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: of the bed and I looked around and it was 477 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: three point fifteen in the morning. I walked out to 478 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: the piano, and I thought, let me see if I 479 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: can plunk some of this app out that I just heard. 480 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: I had no idea I had to write music. I 481 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: didn't have to read music. I sat there and I 482 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: could plunk out a few notes of what I heard, 483 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: but I didn't even know how to write down what 484 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: they were. So I said the hell with this. I 485 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: went to bed. I woke up always it by thirty 486 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: six o'clock because that was my time to get up 487 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 2: and get ready for work. From that moment on, whenever 488 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 2: I went near that piano, the music from the dream 489 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: would start to play in my head. So whenever I 490 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: sat down at the piano, it was like a tape recording. 491 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: It would just start. If I didn't pay attention to it, 492 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: it would become intrusive. It would actually start playing when 493 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: I was trying to work or when I was trying 494 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: to do something else. So I learned very quickly that 495 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 2: it was kind of like a two year old. He 496 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: really had to pay attention to it or there was 497 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: going to be some repercussions from it. So this process 498 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: went on, and I continued trying to teach myself, and 499 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 2: one day I'm banging away at the piano and my 500 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: daughter's best friend, Jackie, was over at the house and 501 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: her mom was coming by to pick her up, and 502 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: she came in the house. She heard me on the piano, 503 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: and she came in and said, what are you doing? 504 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: And I said, I'm trying to learn this piece of music. 505 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: It was called a fantasy. I PROMPTU a piece of 506 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: chowpin and I said, I don't understand why the hands 507 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: don't line up in this piece of music. Why would 508 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: somebody write a piece of music where the hands don't 509 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: line up? And she said, they're not supposed to. It's 510 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: called a poly rhythm. I had never heard of that 511 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 2: word before. Why would anyone do that? She said, I'm 512 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: not even going to try to explain this to you. 513 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: You need to get a teacher. So at that point 514 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 2: she gave me the name of Sandy McCain, who was 515 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: the chairman of music at Haartwick College. In oneon to 516 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: New York, where we lived. I called up Sandy and 517 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: told her this whole story and asked her if she'd 518 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: take on an old guy to try to teach him 519 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 2: some piano. She did, and we started working two hours 520 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: a week. The only time we had in common was 521 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: five o'clock, so five o'clock was our piano time, five 522 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. And I'm sure that her family 523 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 2: was not real happy with me, but that was the 524 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: best we could do to meet the two schedules. So 525 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: this went on for quite some time. As I'm learning 526 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: to play, I'm also working on the music from this dream. 527 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: As I learned how to do things, i would write 528 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: down a measure or two and I'd stuff it in 529 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: a drawer someplace, thinking someday I'll get back to all 530 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: of this. I kept working on learning how to play, 531 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: and I started going to a music camp, piano camp 532 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: for adults in Bennington, Vermont, which was called a Sonata, 533 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 2: and it's a group of people. They would meet four 534 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: or five six times a year, different people at different times, 535 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: and it's all people that are absolutely obsessed with piano 536 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 2: and this is their week of indulging themselves. So I 537 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: started going to that in two thousand and two. In 538 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: two thousand and six, when I went, the owner's sister, 539 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: Erica vanderlin Feider, was the number one salesperson for Steinway 540 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: in New York City and she had just left Steinway 541 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 2: and went to Bosendorf for her, and she was there 542 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: at the piano camp and she brought five pianos in 543 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: for people to play on, which was an absolute treat. 544 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: We got talking about all of this stuff and the 545 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: music and the music from the dream and the things 546 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: that I was working on. Afterwards, she said to me, 547 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 2: there's only one person that can tell his story, and 548 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: that's Oliver Sacks. At the time, I didn't know who 549 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 2: Oliver Sacks was other than the fact that he wrote 550 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 2: the book Awakenings when he figured out how to treat 551 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 2: Parkinson's disease. He is a famous neurologist, and I didn't 552 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: think anything more of it. I went about my normal business. 553 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: In June, I get a phone call from Oliver Sacks. 554 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, this can't be real. Oliver says, I've heard 555 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 2: about this lightning story and I'd like to have you 556 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: come down in New York City to interview you. Like 557 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 2: you to be one of my patients. I have a 558 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: collection of people like you who have had unusual things happen. 559 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 2: And I said, sure, that would be great. So in 560 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: August of that year, two thousand and six, I went 561 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: down to see Oliver Sacks, and I got to spend 562 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: the whole day with him, which is an absolute treasure. 563 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 2: This was a man who could think circles around anybody 564 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 2: I knew, including myself. We spent the entire day together, 565 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 2: which I will never forget. And at the end of 566 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: the day, we're standing in the doorway and saying goodbye, 567 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 2: and he looked at me, and he had this piercing 568 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: way of looking at people. He looked at me and 569 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 2: he says, the music from the dream went from an 570 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: awful lot of trouble to get here. The least you 571 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 2: can do is write it. I was so taken with 572 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 2: what he said. I went right home, and it was 573 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: about three hours to get back home, so I had 574 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 2: plenty of time to think about it. But when I 575 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: got home the next day, I went right out and 576 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: bought a music writing program called Sibelius, which is the 577 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: equivalent of music writing for dummies. If you have an 578 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 2: electric piano, you can hook this thing up so that 579 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 2: you can play something and the music actually appears on 580 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 2: the screen. So that was the way I started, because 581 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 2: by that point I had gotten to where I could 582 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: play some parts of the music from the dream, but 583 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 2: I had no idea how to write it. I spent 584 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 2: the next seven months, every minute that I wasn't working, 585 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: writing down this music. My goal was to get it 586 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 2: written for my next May piano camp. That was my goal. 587 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 2: So when piano camp came around in May, I had 588 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 2: finished the music and played it for my piano friends. 589 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: At this piano camp. Everybody liked it, and I thought, Okay, 590 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: this is pretty cool. While I was there, I got 591 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 2: a call from Oliver and he says, I wanted to 592 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 2: ask your permission to use your story in my book, 593 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: so I don't have anything to hide. Sure, go ahead, 594 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: he said, good, because you're chapter one and it's coming 595 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 2: out July twenty third. Sure enough, my story was published 596 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 2: in the New Yorker magazine. At that point, all hell 597 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: broke loose because I hadn't been telling a lot of 598 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 2: people about this story, and because I didn't want people 599 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: to think I was crazy. Suddenly it's got taken out 600 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: of the closet and thrown out for everybody to look at. 601 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 2: About the week after it came out, I got a 602 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 2: call from a guy named Carlton Clay. Carlton was the 603 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: head of the music department at State University of New 604 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 2: York in Oneonta. He said, would you consider playing the 605 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: music for the class? And I thought, I'll do that. 606 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: It seemed like it was another month or so after that. 607 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: Carlton calls again and he says, you won't believe it. 608 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 2: I'm just getting hammered with people calling here and everybody 609 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 2: wants more and more. He said, would you consider doing 610 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: a concert at the Performing Arts Center? And I said no, 611 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 2: I don't have the faintest idea how to do something 612 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: like that. I said, I'm not musically trained. I'm not prepared. 613 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 2: I have no idea where to start. And somehow he 614 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 2: conned me into doing it. I said, okay, I'll do it. 615 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 2: So the next phone call I make is I call Sandy, 616 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 2: my music teacher, and I said, can you get me 617 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 2: ready for it? And she said it's going to be 618 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 2: a lot of work. She said, you got to be 619 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: prepared to put four hours a day into getting ready 620 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: for this. And I'm like, okay, we start on this process. 621 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: We would go up and to the Performing Arts Center 622 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 2: and she would make me walk out on stage and 623 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: make me walk off. She would make me talk to 624 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 2: the crowd and then make me play the music. And 625 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 2: I can still hear. She'd be up in our top 626 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 2: row of the seats and I'd be playing away and 627 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: she'd go. 628 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 3: I can't hear you. 629 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 2: This is going to be no fun. But we worked along. 630 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: And then a few weeks before the concert, Carlton calls 631 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 2: me again and he says things are changing again, and 632 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 2: I said, what are you doing? He says, a BBC 633 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 2: one wants to come, and so does German Television and 634 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 2: so does Granata Media. 635 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 3: I love this guy. We need to take a break 636 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 3: and then we'll be back. Plus I have a surprise 637 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 3: at the end. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 638 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 3: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM heir Normal 639 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 3: Podcast Network. 640 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: Stay there, Sandra will be right back. 641 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 5: Hey, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. Warren. Don't 642 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 5: forget to check out my show Strange Things each week 643 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 5: as I bring you the world of the truly, amazing 644 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 5: and bizarre right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 645 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 5: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 646 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 2: This is Afterlife Expert Daniel Braakley, and you're listening to 647 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paronormal Podcast Network. 648 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine. 649 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 3: Orthopedic surgeon. Tony Sechoria gets hit by a bolt of lightning, 650 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 3: has a near death experience, and now an uncontrollable urge 651 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 3: to learn and play piano. Next, he manages to write 652 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 3: down the music from a dream, and next they want 653 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 3: him to play in a concert. Here's what happens. 654 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: A few weeks before the concert, Carlton calls me again 655 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: and he says things are changing again, and I said, 656 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 2: what are you doing? He says, BBC one wants to come, 657 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,319 Speaker 2: and Sodas German Television, and so does Granada Media. So 658 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 2: there's three huge sets that want to come and film 659 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 2: this thing. I was like, oh my god, I've come 660 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 2: too far. Now what am I going to do? I said, okay, 661 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 2: loone comes the concert day, which actually turned out to 662 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 2: be my birthday. Anyway, there's three television crews. I remember 663 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,280 Speaker 2: going to the green room right beforehand, and I remember 664 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 2: sitting here and I'm talking to God and the angels 665 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 2: anybody that wants to listen. I said, you guys put 666 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 2: me through a lot to get me here. I said, 667 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 2: don't embarrass us both and leave me out there without 668 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 2: a lot of help. Thankfully, I managed to get through 669 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 2: it the music from the dream and a couple of 670 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: other pieces that I had written along the way, and 671 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 2: ever since then, it's taken on a life of its own. 672 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 2: I've played that music all over the country. It's interesting 673 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 2: the reactions that I get to it. People will come 674 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 2: up afterwards and tell me about they see visions or 675 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 2: they feel certain things. And I've even had some people 676 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 2: ask if they could come and lay on the floor 677 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: underneath the piano so they can feel the vibrations of it, 678 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 2: because there's something in the frequencies of the music that 679 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 2: stimulates certain brain activity or certain behaviors. I think there's 680 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 2: more to the music than I have any concept of. 681 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 2: It's so far over my head. I do believe that 682 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 2: there are healing frequencies, and there are frequencies that stimulate 683 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 2: brain activity in people, and it's just based on the 684 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 2: things that people say. I have been searching for an 685 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 2: understanding of how all this fits together ever since it happened, 686 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 2: and I've literally read hundreds of books trying to understand. 687 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 2: I think what it really comes down to is we 688 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 2: have no real concept of how the brain works, and 689 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,919 Speaker 2: how it's connected to other things in other places, and 690 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 2: the frequencies that exist in the ether, the quantum field 691 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 2: as some people call it, and how all of it interacts. 692 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 2: So is some of the aspects of this music about 693 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 2: helping people to reprogram some part of the brain that 694 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 2: they don't have access to or could help in their evolution. 695 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, or like myself, you hear music and 696 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 2: the music's coming from some place. Where is it coming from? 697 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 2: And how does it make its way into my brain? 698 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 2: And again, there's a lot of people that are starting 699 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 2: to believe that this memory exists in the quantum field, 700 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 2: and nobody really understands what that is exactly, and how 701 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 2: we communicate with it is a whole other black box. 702 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,279 Speaker 2: The other thing that did come out of it is 703 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 2: that I can feel people's energy, their aoram as other 704 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 2: people would call it. It feels like static electricity out 705 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 2: of not having a better word to describe it. If 706 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 2: somebody has something wrong with their shoulder, for example, if 707 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 2: I happen to bring my hand near their shoulder, I'll 708 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 2: feel this distortion of that electrical energy, and so if 709 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 2: I move down the arm, it'll disappear. But as I 710 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 2: get closer to where the problem is, I can actually 711 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 2: bring somebody to tears with it. There are some things 712 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 2: that I don't have it a real understanding of, but 713 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 2: I just noticed that they exist, and I use them 714 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 2: as tools to help. If I'm trying to figure out 715 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 2: what somebody's problem is, I can use that as a 716 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 2: way to narrow the focus of what I'm looking at. 717 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 2: I've had flashes of knowing things that I have no 718 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 2: way of knowing, a feeling somebody's going to call and 719 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 2: the phone rings, or I walk over and I pick 720 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 2: up the phone and thereonic. There's no way to quantitate 721 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 2: any of that, And there are enough people that have 722 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 2: things like that happen anyway that you don't know whether 723 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 2: it's meaningful or not. But these are things that I 724 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 2: didn't really notice before. So I'm absolutely certain that there 725 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 2: is no such thing as death. We change forms, but 726 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,399 Speaker 2: our spirit lives on forever. Whoever we are, we always are, 727 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 2: and that I'm absolutely certain of. I think that the 728 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 2: only real message that I have is there is life 729 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 2: after death. I think it's really important to have an 730 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,239 Speaker 2: approach to life that is other than self being more 731 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 2: concerned about others than about the self. I think it's 732 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 2: a big part of how our spirits are supposed to work. 733 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, doctor Tony Secoria. Now did I hear you? 734 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 2: Think? 735 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 3: I wish I could hear that piece of music you 736 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 3: can here is Lightning Sonata with doctor Secoria at the piano. 737 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 3: Pay attention to your emotions and see how it moves 738 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 3: your soul. 739 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 6: Incling and stay. 740 00:47:33,920 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 7: In and fifty. 741 00:48:42,680 --> 00:50:21,480 Speaker 4: Th Coca in the. 742 00:50:27,960 --> 00:51:18,479 Speaker 6: Name Cola Coca the look a look at. 743 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 3: My friend. Anything is possible if you believe. Please remember 744 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,279 Speaker 3: to come visit me at We Don't Die dot com. 745 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of 746 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,479 Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast 747 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 3: AM hair or podcast network. 748 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 749 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 750 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 751 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,520 Speaker 1: podcast Network.