1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called hot killer nanny, 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: posting sexy bathtub selfies with her married IRS agent boyfriend 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: Vanfield before his wife is murdered in a bizarre fetish 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: b DSN that's bondage and sato masochism plot. 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: That's right out of a Hollywood movie. 6 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: But sadly Christine is dead and her little girl says 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: to the killer nanny, cannot call you mommy. 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: Makes my skin crawl. 9 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: And you know Christine up in heaven is flipping backflips. 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Wait till I'll show you the bodycam video of the 11 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: killer nanny hugging all over the baby. 12 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for being with us. 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I need help my friends in the night 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: now been putting a lot. 16 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: And then I asked him, we're going to force her? 17 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: He said, that's not what I'm thinking about. Then that's uh. 18 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: He explained that he was thinking about finding a way 19 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: to just give rid of her for out of the 20 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 4: big ship. 21 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: Talk about a serious makeover. Let's just see. Don't need 22 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: to hear it yet. 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: See the bodycam video of the nanny hyperventilating pretend hyperventilating 24 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: out in the front yard. Christine has about a three 25 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: inch stabling to her neck upstairs. Okay, there she is 26 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: doing deep breathing exercises at the behest of the police 27 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: while Christine the mommy is upstairs with about a three 28 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: inch knife wound two her neck. Let me see that 29 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: sound one more time. Then I asked him will you 30 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: divorce her? And he said, that's not what I'm thinking about. 31 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 4: Then I asked him, we're going to di force her. 32 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: He said, that's not what I'm thinking about. Then that's 33 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: he explained that he was saying about finding a way 34 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 4: to just get rid of her for out of the picture. 35 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Okay, you know, let me understand something, doctor Bethany Marshall, 36 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: I need to speak to a shrink before I even 37 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: go to our investigative reporters. 38 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: This is the. 39 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: Mother that has worked a job supporting him, the irs agent, 40 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: has given birth, gets one day to sleep in and 41 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: she gets murdered. And okay, the husband is saying he's 42 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: the adult in this situation that he's not thinking of 43 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: a divorce. He's thinking of another quote way to get 44 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: rid of her so he can bed the hot nanny. 45 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: Their words not mine. I don't think she's hot. 46 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: I think she looks like, please don't show me the 47 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: clavy shot anymore. 48 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: I'm tired of seeing her breast. 49 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: She looks like the devil to me getting rid of 50 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: her after she has gone through childbirth really badly. 51 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 5: You know, the nanny is not hot. Killer nanny wants 52 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 5: to appropriate another woman's life. She wants install life without 53 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 5: doing all the work to get one, just like women 54 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 5: who slash other women's tummies open to get a fetus. 55 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 5: They want the life, but they don't want to do 56 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 5: the work to get it. And if kill her dad 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 5: thinks somebody who wants to murder his wife along with 58 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 5: him is hot, then they are just doing the dance 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 5: of the devil together. Nancy wife did everything for this family. 60 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 5: She was an er nurse, she worked, she brought up 61 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 5: home the bacon and cooked it up in a pan, 62 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 5: and she had no appreciation from her husband. This is 63 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 5: obviously an emotionally abusive relationship. 64 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: You know. To Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us. 65 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: He is the founder of the Tate Law Group, and 66 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: he shot to the forefront of the nation's consciousness during 67 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: the Alexan murdog double murder trial, where he repeatedly took 68 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: to the airways saying Murdog didn't do it. 69 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: Okay, well he did do it. 70 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: And now we have another guy willing to just discard 71 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: his wife. And he, I mean really, he brings in 72 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: the Brazilian a pair like she can be trusted about 73 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: as far as you can throw her, of course. 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: And if you don't show me, Cleavis, you got to 75 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: show me. 76 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: That mouthful of red lipstick. It just never ends. So 77 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: Mark Tate, what was he thinking? He's the adult in 78 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: this scenario, and he doesn't think the nanny is gonna 79 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: crack when they go, Oh yeah, girl, you going down 80 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: under the jail or you can go home to Brazil 81 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: and stay in prison there you can pick. 82 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: He didn't think she used no honor. 83 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 6: Among criminals and apparently no honor among murderers, right, So 84 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 6: why he why anybody would trust a stranger like that 85 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: to keep such a dark secret. 86 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: They were exactly stranger's tape. 87 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: Hey, the nanny's anal floss hanging in the ir S 88 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: Agent Hubbies master bedroom. 89 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: When I say. 90 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: They go up your rear end, she moved her launarade 91 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: there like pieces of thread into his bedroom. 92 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 7: Immediately there you go. 93 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 6: An anal balls. I don't know what you exactly a flash? Okay, 94 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 6: that's you. I had not not being someone who frequents 95 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 6: the fetish sites, I wasn't quite familiar with anal flaws. 96 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 6: But thank you Nancy for. 97 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: I think I made it up, but probably not. You're 98 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: familiar with dental flaws right right here. This is once 99 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: a year. I need to explain it further. 100 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: So no, twenty four hours and this thing moves in 101 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: her anal flass into the mom's closet and he's okay. 102 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 8: With that, all right? 103 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 6: So right, it's a terrible story. The circumstantial evidence about 104 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 6: this guy and the accusation against him, it's terrible. And 105 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 6: I'm not really sure what effect, you know, being an 106 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 6: ir S agent's going to have on the jury. I 107 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 6: don't think it's going to elevate their opinion of him anything. 108 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: That's not what I. 109 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 6: What do you want to ask me about? I'm sorry 110 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 6: I missed the question because I. 111 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: Did not ask you about him being with the I 112 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: r S put up, Well, you hate if you're trying 113 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: to goad me into and the IRS. 114 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: That's not happening. 115 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: You know what, just what I'm saying, is he thought 116 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: she would go along with this murderous plot she after 117 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: she wrote effusive letters from the jail. 118 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: Hello, we read those offering to take the fall. You 119 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: know what? Hold on listen to this. 120 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 9: Banfield in love with Brazilian au pair Juliana Magalias masterminds 121 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 9: a plan to kill his wife so intricate it sounds 122 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 9: like the plot of a movie. Mcgaulias in Bamfield create 123 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 9: a fake profile using Christine's name on fetish website fetlife 124 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 9: dot com, posing as Christine Banfield communicating with Joseph Ryan 125 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 9: discussing an encounter involving restraints used on her, her clothing 126 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 9: cut off with a knife brought by Ryan, and another 127 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 9: violent role play somebody. 128 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 4: This sounded like violent and was kind of plain the 129 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: way he wanted the person to play. So then that's 130 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: the when he started talking to Joe. We told you 131 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 4: before that it was kind of part of the game 132 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 4: where the person gets in them in the bedroom and 133 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: then I react like scared, like try to run or 134 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 4: try to scream, but like so the and or if 135 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: the person starts doing something, she would just get kind 136 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 4: of freaked out and try to resist. But it was 137 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: like part of the game. And then that's when Brenda 138 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: had instructed me before as soon as A see Jeel's 139 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: car for me to call him like right away, and 140 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: then that's what I did. 141 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: See. 142 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: It's so easy to, I don't know, make fun of 143 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: this bizarre plot, but remember the mother of the little 144 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: girl I sleep in bed finally gets some morning to 145 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: sleep in they so called there she is hot. Nanny 146 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: is supposed to take the baby to the zoo. Mommy 147 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: bought the tickets. She thinks, Oh, thank goodness, Baby Valerie 148 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: is going to have a fun day at the zoo 149 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: and I get to sleep for an hour. 150 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: This is so great. 151 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: The next thing she knows, some dude off a bondage 152 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,239 Speaker 1: website comes in with a knife. 153 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: You know what. 154 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to gg McKelvey joining US 155 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, star of Pretty Lies and Elbis podcast. Gg All, 156 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: it is laughable, this plot where the husband, the irs 157 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: agent and the nanny plan to just you know what, 158 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: You tell the plot because it's almost laughable if I 159 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: didn't have to remember Christine bleeding out in the floor 160 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: with a three inch knife. 161 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: Stab to her neck by her own husband. Tell me 162 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: what happened. Yeah. 163 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 7: The plot was to essentially catfish Joe Ryan on the 164 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 7: fet life website where people go to find willing partners, 165 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 7: consensual partners to act out these fantasies. And they used 166 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 7: Christine's laptop to communicate with him at times when she 167 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 7: was home. So later on when there was an investigation, 168 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 7: and Brendan, being an IRS agent a federal agent, knew 169 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 7: there would be one, it would show her at home 170 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 7: when these communications took place, and it did work with 171 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 7: some detectives who thought it was Christine communicating, but they 172 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 7: positioned themselves in certain spots. The O pair was in 173 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 7: the cul Des act with the child waiting on Joe 174 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 7: Ryan to come in the house, and he was told 175 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 7: to bring specific things like a knife. If I resist, 176 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 7: you keep going. It's part of the act. When he 177 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 7: walks in the house, Juliana calls Brendan, who's waiting at 178 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 7: a nearby McDonald's, and he goes home, goes upstairs, sees 179 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 7: Joe Ryan on top of his wife. This is exact 180 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 7: exactly what Brendan and the O pair told him. She wanted, 181 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 7: you know, lying, but the wife looks at her husband 182 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 7: thinking I've been saved. And she says Brendan, he has 183 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 7: a knife. He turns around and shoots Joe Ryan in 184 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 7: the head, doesn't kill him, and proceeds to stab his 185 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 7: wife in the next seven times with one superficial wound. 186 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 7: Now she also before she got stabbed, she told the 187 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 7: O pair to call nine one one. 188 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: The plan was to call much later. 189 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 7: Juliana, not thinking in the moment, calls nine one one, 190 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 7: where you can allegedly hear Joe Ryan moaning in the background. 191 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 7: Brendan gives her a hand signal to hang up. She 192 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 7: shoots Joe Ryan in the chest, killing him, and then 193 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 7: they make the nine one one call that they meant to. 194 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 7: But here's the thing. When nine one one told them 195 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 7: to check to see if Christine was still breathing, she was, 196 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 7: and their voice is Nancy. When they tell each other, 197 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 7: not the nomenal she's still breathing. It was not a oh, 198 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 7: there's hope, she's still breathing. It was a oh, my gosh, 199 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 7: she's still breathing. Ultimately, Joe Ryan pronounced dead on seeing 200 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 7: Christine died at the hospital just a little bit later. 201 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, where was 202 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: baby Valerie during. 203 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 10: All this, she actually was in the basement when Brendan 204 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 10: Banfield and Juliana Moggle Ads when they came together at 205 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 10: the house. Before Banfield goes upstairs, they enter into the 206 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 10: basement and they tell the little girl stay right here, 207 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 10: do not come out. 208 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 11: So she was in the basement, so she can you 209 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 11: check him out? 210 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 12: Yeah, I got, I got more units he let's. 211 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: Dave Matt What is the I R. S. H and 212 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: husband Banfield doing in the floor? 213 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, he's carrying on a good bit uh 214 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 10: in shock. Maybe I'm not exactly sure what he was 215 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 10: trying to pull off, but you know this is he's 216 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 10: still in the bedroom where everything has taken place, and 217 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 10: the officers of paramedics they're all trying to get him out, 218 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 10: and that's when you know he was standing up just fine. 219 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 10: And then as they get ready to take him out, 220 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 10: that's when he hits all fours and you know, acts 221 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 10: like he can't really do anything. But then he was 222 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 10: able to get back up and walk out. 223 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he's in so much grief. Uh let's 224 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: say that one more time please, So she kind of go, can. 225 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 12: You check him? Yeah, I got, I got more units, 226 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 12: go check in, start off for good. 227 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: Meryl Streep. 228 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: He ain't okay, Mark Tate, I guess you do tell 229 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: all your criminal clients be a good actor, or don't 230 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: even try. 231 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: Did you see that? 232 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, oh, I'm dizzy. What everything's going dark? 233 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: Let me lead down on all fours. He didn't fall 234 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: over like when you find you just fall over, you 235 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: might hit your head. He's like first hand, second hand, 236 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: back leg, other back leg. 237 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: I'm dizzy. 238 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an acted. 239 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: It was all of course I saw it. 240 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 6: You just showed it to me. It's crazy looking, it 241 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 6: was made up looking. It's historyonic. It doesn't fit. But 242 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 6: you know, I do remember and you probably do as 243 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 6: well when Fred Tookar's Peyton had his wife Sarah murdered 244 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 6: in Atlanta, and I will never forget that photograph of 245 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 6: him at the funeral where he was clearly in a 246 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 6: great deal of you know, emotional pain. And so no 247 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 6: matter what this guy acts like, you know, the jury 248 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 6: has the case now, and I believe prosecution. 249 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: An emotional paint. Put up tap, no, he's not here. 250 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: Fred toe Cars was not an emotional pain. 251 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: He hit on me in my very first playing arrayment 252 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: calendar as a Fulton assistant district to turn it on, 253 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: like who is that? And then when that's in Atlanta 254 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: Municipal Court judge, I'm like, well, he just hit on me. 255 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: Isn't he married? Isn't that a wedding man? I don't 256 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: want to hear about fred toe cars may he rotten? Hell, 257 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: he's dead. 258 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 6: I think he's dead. 259 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Emotional pain. 260 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: Oh, he crying because they were all and he knew it. 261 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 6: It's but this guy's display was I don't think real. 262 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 6: It didn't have any credibility. The way he kind of fell. 263 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 6: It just looked like a history onic display. I don't 264 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 6: think that he's a very good criminal, and I think 265 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 6: that his plan here didn't work out well and it. 266 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: Was too intricate. It was too intricate. Let's go back 267 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: to the scene. I remember, guys, what you're saying. Right 268 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: here is. 269 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: Body cam at the scene. 270 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: His wife is dead in the other room, and according 271 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: to the nanny and the forensic evidence, he just stabbed her. 272 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: It's about two and a half to three inches deep 273 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: wound in the neck. 274 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: The woman he married, the woman that gave birth to 275 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: his child, the woman that takes care of that beautiful 276 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: home who worked to support him. 277 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: The whole shebang. 278 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 13: Oh no, I. 279 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: Don't want that. I want the Brazilian up here. Let's 280 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: kill Christine. Let's go back to the scene. 281 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 8: Okay, we're gonna have to get him. 282 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 12: Yeah, you give me a sevench talk puts anything else. 283 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 14: I'm I'm gonna change my blow, vote and you can 284 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 14: get him out of here. 285 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 8: A knife's there? Guns around the bed? 286 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, is he's still on all fours on 287 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: the floor. 288 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: Yes, he is. 289 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: And I think I noticed he picked a spot of 290 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: floor that was carpeted, just in case he accidentally fell. Okay, 291 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: all I can say to doctor Bethany Marshall is PT. 292 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: I'll praise the Lord for body cam, Bethany. Let's watch 293 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: some more. Yank, I got you. 294 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 12: We're going to take care and stick a minute. 295 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta hope hibout having a breakdown. Can you 296 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 8: help him? 297 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 12: Whenever they called us, whenever Fred. 298 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 14: Said, Vienna's easy again, My office is in the end 299 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 14: the present. 300 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 12: Did you did you call my office? 301 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: How call at some point. 302 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: So the least of our worries right now, I need 303 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: to call my manager. He's talking about calling his manager 304 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: at the IRIS when his wife has just been stabbed. 305 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: And you know the part I love the most about that, 306 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Marshall as, at the beginning, do you 307 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: see the officer going indicating Banfield does. 308 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 2: Not know his wife is dead? Oh, yes he does, 309 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: and Manfield still the goal fours. 310 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 5: But you don't, Nancy, also the guy that's sort of 311 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 5: going like this. These sound very nonchalant, these first responders, 312 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 5: and it tells me that although they're going through the 313 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 5: motions of doing the right thing, they kind of know 314 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 5: that he's being a drama queen, Nancy. You know, there's 315 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 5: a word for what Brendan is doing is called malingering. 316 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 5: Malingering is when you make up a fictitious or fake 317 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: illness to get out of some consequence, like pretending you 318 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 5: have brain cancer so you don't have to go to jail, 319 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 5: or you had amasis you don't remember shooting your wife. 320 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: In this case, that he is fainting, and that he's 321 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 5: so distraught and therefore not responsible for any of his 322 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 5: actions in the moment. 323 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 9: Bamfield and au pair mcgaias carry on an affair four months, 324 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 9: creating the murder plan. After telling mcgui as he wants 325 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 9: to get rid of his wife, and divorce is not 326 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 9: an option because it costs too much money and he 327 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 9: doesn't want to share custody of their four year old daughter. 328 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 9: Banfield comes up with a home invasion, giving mcgalia as 329 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 9: a gun and instructing her to call Christine's phone when 330 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 9: Ryan enters the home, then call Banfield at a McDonald's 331 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 9: near the home. Banfield changes his routine leading up to 332 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 9: the murders so it would not seem out of routine 333 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 9: for him to be at the McDonald's that morning, Crime 334 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 9: Stories with Nancy Grace. 335 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: And what's your name and what's going on? 336 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 14: And Buddy Danfield come, feder lady took my house here, 337 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 14: somebody here. 338 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 12: I shot him, but. 339 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 15: I mean they over enormous Lewis and he just like 340 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 15: this to me, wait and then I stopped. And then 341 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 15: we were both just listening to that sound that that 342 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 15: was the real sound that we were listening to. 343 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 8: What did it sound like for meming? 344 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 12: Slapping? 345 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: So, after this elaborate plot where the nanny and the 346 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: husband secretly signed the wife up on a fetish website, 347 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: lure a guy there, tell him to attack her, the 348 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: two of them nanny and husband walk in to the 349 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: sound of slapping. Dave Matt what was the slapping that 350 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: she describes that. 351 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 10: Was what was taking place upstairs? Nancy? And all I 352 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 10: can think of is you got to remember that Joe 353 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 10: Ryan is there on what he believes is consensual Christine 354 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 10: Panfield is shaking out of bed, and I'm guessing it's 355 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 10: pretty rough up there right about now, with her fighting 356 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 10: for her life and Ryan thinking it's all part of 357 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 10: the game, the smacking a knight. 358 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: Or is it him slapping her? The nanny makes it 359 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: very clear, she said it several times. I just played 360 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: you one time that she says she hears slapping, So 361 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: is this part of the sex play? Beating her, slapping 362 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: her into submission? Can you imagine Doctor Bethany her Christine 363 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: waking up and some strange guys in her room with 364 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: a knife and a rope and a chain and starts 365 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: slapping you in the face. 366 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 5: I can't imagine how terrifying that and all the ensuing events, 367 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 5: her own husband climbing on top of you and putting 368 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 5: stab plunging a knife into your neck. It sounds to 369 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 5: me like Brendan and killer Nanny set up this sort 370 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 5: of rape play, rape scene so carefully and so meticulously 371 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: that they told the guy they told Joe slap you know, 372 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 5: I want to be slapped a lot, so that by 373 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 5: the time the prosecutor questions killer nanny, she goes, oh, 374 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 5: I heard a lot of slapping. I mean, that's how 375 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 5: well thought out this devious plan was to. 376 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: JJ McKelvey pretty lies and alibi is GG do I 377 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: understand this correctly? That Ryan comes in lured there for 378 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: what he thinks is a consensual. 379 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: BBSM act. 380 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: Christine, she says, her husband come to the door and 381 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: thinks he's saving her, and instead he shoots Ryan and 382 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: then he stabs her. 383 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what happened. Christine told him Brendan he has 384 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 7: a knife, and then she tells Juliana to call nine 385 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 7: one one. At that point, Joe Ryan is shot in 386 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 7: the head, doesn't die yet, and then he gets on 387 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 7: top of Christine and starts stabbing her. She had a 388 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 7: total of six penetrating stab wounds and one superficial, but 389 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 7: the deepest being two and a half inches. So, yeah, 390 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 7: that's exactly what happened, you know. Can you imagine what 391 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 7: she thought, thinking, Oh my gosh, I am saved, only 392 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 7: to see your husband on top of you, probably seconds later, 393 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 7: stabbing you in the neck. 394 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's is joining us now. Dr Crowns, thank 395 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Crowns is chief medical Examiner 396 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: Terren County. That's Fort Worth, never a lack of business there. 397 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: He is a star of hit podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue. 398 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of 399 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU and has handled literally thousands, thousands of 400 00:23:53,640 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: autopsies all sorts, accident, suicide, natural causes, unexplos and of 401 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: course homicide. Doctor Crowns, could you explain those gruesome injuries 402 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: to this young mom's throat? 403 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 16: Certainly so she was stabbed in the neck with a 404 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 16: knife and they're saying it's going in about three two 405 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 16: to three inches, And what it is is in your neck, 406 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 16: the crotted and jugular vein sit probably about a quarter 407 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 16: inch a few millimeters underneath your skin, and a muscle 408 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 16: on this side of your neck called the sternoclidial mastoid. 409 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 16: These two vessels, the internal jugular the crotted artery, are 410 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 16: major blood vessels taking blood to your brain. And if 411 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 16: they get hit by a knife. They'll just start bleeding 412 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 16: and you can lead out within minutes of being hit 413 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 16: in the neck from a stab wound, hitting these two vessels, 414 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 16: and then you only have about a few minutes to 415 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 16: survive after that unless someone puts pressure on it. If 416 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 16: you go a little more to the center, hit the trachia, 417 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 16: which is the windpipe that takes air from your mouth 418 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 16: to your lungs, and it is also where the vocal 419 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 16: cords sit. So if the trachia gets hit, you can 420 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 16: have the vocal cords damage and you won't be able 421 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 16: to speak. 422 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: Let me understand something, doctor Kendall Crowns. 423 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: If the stab wounds and there were multiple stab wounds, 424 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: one being two and a half inches deep, how could 425 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: she continue to talk? 426 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 16: She was dying, So I question that she's being able 427 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 16: to talk. I mean that is a statement made by him. 428 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 16: I personally feel like she's probably had her trachea laryngeal 429 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 16: region hit, getting these vocal cords hit, and she's probably 430 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 16: sitting there bleeding out and gagging on her own blood. 431 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Kendall Crowns. 432 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that medical examiners like yourself take into 433 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: account not only what the body of the victim tells them, 434 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: but the surrounding circumstances. For instance, I prosecuted a guy 435 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: millionaire for the murder of his wife. 436 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: The house burned. 437 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: Down with her in it, and he miraculously escaped. Her 438 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: body showed a blow to the head and other bruises 439 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: across her body. She did not die, but just because 440 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: of the fire. The medical examiner took into account that 441 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: all of the husband's family photos of his family, not hers, 442 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: and all of his suits and all of his shoes 443 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: had been taken two or three days before and put 444 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: in a warehouse, so they were all saved. 445 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: I found the suits at the dry cleaner by the way. 446 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 2: I went to eight dry cleaners before I found them, 447 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: but I found them. 448 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: And also he called the weather station weather channel to 449 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: check a wooded rain the day that, coincidentally the fire 450 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: broke out. The medical examiner took in extrinsic evidence into 451 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: account before determined it was a homicide. 452 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 16: Do you do that, yes, so you can't. We always 453 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 16: say you can't autopsy in a vacuum, which means you 454 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 16: can't just look at the body and make a determination 455 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 16: a cause and manner of death. You have to take 456 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 16: into account, medical records, paramedic reports, death investigators reports, police reports. 457 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 16: All this information combined is how you make the final 458 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 16: decision for cause and manner of death. And the problem 459 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 16: is is when you get a witness statement like your 460 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 16: case with the fire that doesn't make sense with the 461 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 16: autopsy findings, then you have to tell the investigators and 462 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 16: the police you know things aren't adding up. I need 463 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 16: more information. And then more investigation is done and you'll 464 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 16: get more information showing that this individual may have been 465 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 16: murdered or or a homicide. And the thing is is 466 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 16: you'll get range of fire issues with gunshot wounds where 467 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 16: they're saying it's contact and it's obviously farther away. And 468 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 16: if you can't get a in this statement that makes sense, 469 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 16: you just have to go with the information you have 470 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 16: and make a opinion and make a judgment call on 471 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 16: manner of death. 472 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: So, doctor Kendall Crowns, you stated that based on Christine's 473 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: body alone, you find it very very difficult to believe, 474 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: as do I. As she's literally choking on her own 475 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: blood and bleeding out, you find it very hard to 476 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: believe that she could speak. Now, when I put a 477 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: witness on the stand, or I argue something to the jury. 478 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: I try to determine the veracity of that statement, like 479 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: can it be believed? 480 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: What's my source? Are there witnesses to it? 481 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: So number one, forensically, I don't think that she could speak, 482 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: but I want. 483 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: You to consider the source as you did. 484 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: This is coming from the husband, and he says doctor 485 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, you may need to. 486 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: Buckle your seatbel so you don't just fall over and 487 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: hit your head. That as she was dying, she was able. 488 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: To speak, and that she apologized for all of her 489 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: cheating and houring around town. 490 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: That's what he says. Listen. 491 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 17: Banfield claims his dying wife stabbed in the next seven 492 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 17: times as deep as two and a half inches, was 493 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 17: able to speak a lot before emergency responders arrive. Banfield 494 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 17: claims Christine apologized to him and that she loved him. 495 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 17: Holding his hand on her neck wound. She says, she 496 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 17: is bleeding out and she was sorry. 497 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 15: You were there, and I found that there was a 498 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 15: lot of blood loss, So I think that she died 499 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 15: of blood. 500 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 13: Loss her air though it was actually okay. 501 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 15: I'll call him at her course and we'll we'll do 502 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 15: an autopsy. 503 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 12: And make sure we know he's certain. 504 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, I. 505 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 13: Mean that those were enormous wounds, and you know it's not. 506 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 8: You did everything that was possible. 507 00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 13: It's not a survivable and juris, did you see that? 508 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 2: At the end? 509 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: Tate again, I know you've got a new courtroom set 510 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: up in your office and you have all of these 511 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: experts counseling your clients, but really you need to tell 512 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: them if they can't be effective criers on the spot, 513 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: just don't do it at all. 514 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: Do you hear that? 515 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: It sounds like a little yap dog like maybe it's 516 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: chiualhweah barking in the car next to you at the 517 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: red light. 518 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: Did you hear that? 519 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: Yes? 520 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 6: I heard. It's always a terrible actor in the case 521 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 6: against are awful. I guess John Carroll, the defense lawyer. 522 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 6: I think someone suggested that he's going to be dealt 523 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 6: with subsequent to any conviction with an ineffective assistance of 524 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 6: counsel claim by Banfield. You know, these little things that 525 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 6: we're seeing certainly belie his sincerity, and these types of 526 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 6: things are exactly the hooks that a jury does look 527 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 6: for to make them not like a person. And so 528 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 6: even though you perfected the bar at Nancy, which I 529 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 6: think is fabulous and probably could be effective for you 530 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 6: in some closing argument. I think that here, just playing 531 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 6: that tape is going to make a jury think this 532 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: guy is not good and that he is a faker. 533 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: Just imagine this, Your last image before you die with 534 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: your daughter downstairs, is your husband on top of you, 535 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: stabbing you in the neck. Now, you heard the physician 536 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: at the er telling the husband. 537 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: Banfield that it was there was no coming back, and 538 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: he started that crying. 539 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: But yet he says that with multiple stab ons to 540 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: the neck as deep as nearly three inches, she apologized 541 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: for basically being a big hoe. 542 00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: Listen. 543 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 12: I was like, oh, like, what did you do this? 544 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 4: And they said, Julian specifically, you learn to callan. 545 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 12: Well. 546 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 8: Did you hear her saying to Brendan as he was 547 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 8: stabbing her, she was. 548 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 4: Just telling him let me go, I'm gonna die. Anyways, 549 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 4: I'm going to plead to that. She was just lend 550 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: me here, let me die, and then he will tell 551 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 4: her I can't. I don't know why he said I can't. 552 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: How did Christine Banfield's blood come to beyond Joe Ryan's 553 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: arms and hands? Do I have this correct? 554 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: To Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter, that Ryan goes 555 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: on to state that she apologized for all of her 556 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: cheating and said she loved him. 557 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 10: She didn't cheat, he cheated exactly and Nancy. Yet again, 558 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 10: he's claiming that she apologizes and says, I love you. 559 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 10: But we can't figure out how that's even possible with 560 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 10: the injuries she had bring Nancy yet and nobody else 561 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 10: could hear it? Just this is Banfield's own testimony that 562 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 10: she said, I'm sorry. 563 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall. Why is it when one spouse 564 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: is cheating, and not just cheating, cheating with the au 565 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: pair that's been invited to live in the home right 566 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: under the wife's nose, they blame the other spouse with cheating. 567 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: Christine was not cheating. She was trying to take care 568 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: of the baby, take care of the house, take care 569 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: of it all, super mom. 570 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: She didn't even have time to sleep, much less sleep. 571 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 1: Why does the cheating spouse accuse the innocent spouse of cheating? 572 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: You know, not only is it. 573 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 5: The psychle of abuse, Nancy, but it's a simple projection 574 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 5: he's projecting into her. What he's doing, which is he 575 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 5: is cheating Nancy. There's no way to know this, but 576 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 5: sit with us for a second. I would imagine that 577 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 5: Brendan and the nanny had erotic fantasies about Christine. I 578 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 5: think this murder plot was something that was incorporated into 579 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 5: their sex lives, talked about. They had, I think a 580 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 5: very imaginative sexual aspect to this, where maybe they even 581 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 5: fantasized about him stabbing her in the throat, or that 582 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 5: she was a cheater, or that she was having sex 583 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 5: with other guys, and that the pado coming to her. 584 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 5: And then they're going to move into the master bedroom. 585 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 5: She's going to bring her anal floss with her, and 586 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 5: that the baby's going to love the nanny and you, 587 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 5: when you think of sociopathy, Nancy, you know, it's a 588 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 5: disorder of detachment. That they're not attached to Christina. 589 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: They are not. 590 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 5: Attached to the baby. They have no idea that the 591 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 5: baby's not going to bond with nanny. What they are 592 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 5: attached to is their sick, erotic sexual fantasies, their sexual 593 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 5: excitement with each other, and incorporating Christine and this poor 594 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 5: Joe guy that was set up into this like makeup 595 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 5: grisly fantasy. 596 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: World crime stories with Nancy Grace apparently the nanny. Not 597 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: only he was played guilty for it with a cheap deal. 598 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: Now Banfield is facing a jury. 599 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 2: Not only did she. 600 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: Completely snow Christine, so Christine had no idea what was 601 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: going on, the cops fell for it. Wait till you 602 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: see the way they pampered the killer nanny. While Christine 603 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: is laying in her own blood inside, and she's got 604 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: the baby calling her the nanny mommy. 605 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 2: Okay, watch this. 606 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 14: I'm sorry, what's going on this morning? So many take 607 00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:09,959 Speaker 14: her breakfasts? Okay, take them inte, Okay, you're fine, Okay, 608 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 14: gets you sitting in there. 609 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 13: And then I. 610 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 2: Proviought our lunch to bring and I will tell you 611 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 2: up to the house and. 612 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 16: Go to lunch. 613 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: Tate, really, did you see the trembling of the hands. 614 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: She's like, okay, what was I supposed to say next? 615 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 6: Oh? 616 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I went and I forgot the lunch. 617 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: Oh there she is hyperventilating, fake hyperventilating, and the cops 618 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: are like all over here her. 619 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: Do you need snacks? Do you need a comfy chair? 620 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: Deep deep breasts? Miss lady? 621 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: I mean, really, do you see her trying to come 622 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: up with her story and it's caught on bodycam. I'm 623 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: so happy, Tate, you're happy, you. 624 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 6: Know, I'm not, uh, not that surprised really that cops 625 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 6: would try to be nice to her, because you know, 626 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 6: they don't know exactly what's going on. If they start 627 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 6: being rough on her now, she might clam up. And 628 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 6: so I'm not always an expert on police tactics. However, 629 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 6: I do know that they approach certain people that they 630 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 6: haven't decided what their involvement is, with a certain amount 631 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 6: of forgiveness and what they're saying in order to keep 632 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 6: them talking. And here it in fact worked because not 633 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 6: only did they get her to talk to tell what 634 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 6: possibly really happened that's before the jury to be decided 635 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 6: right now, but also got her to turn on this man. 636 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 8: Okay, let's do it again, sir. 637 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 12: Do anything. We'll be here for a little bit, right, 638 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 12: Good for you. 639 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 14: Yeah, does anyone have a bottle of water we can 640 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 14: get her? 641 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 13: I might have. 642 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 12: My car is drinking the drink. 643 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 14: When you guys get there, there's comfy couches. We can 644 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 14: get you guys some snacks if you want. There's a 645 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 14: bathinry you can use. Okay, we can put the TV 646 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 14: on for a little bit and see if we can. 647 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 8: Give you a drawing in some coloring books. 648 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 14: And oh, they definitely got coloring books there, they got toys. 649 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 8: It's okay, it's. 650 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 14: Okay, it's okay, it's okay to be scared. Okay, you're 651 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 14: gonna be all right. You guys are gonna take care 652 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,439 Speaker 14: of each other, okay. And then I'm sure they're gonna 653 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,720 Speaker 14: have some very nice people there. 654 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 8: That will talk with you. 655 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 14: Okay, they'll help you feel better. 656 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: She just shot, she admits, on the stand under oath 657 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: hand on bible. 658 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 2: She shot Joseph Ryan. 659 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: Dad stood there while Christine was stabbed in the neck. 660 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: And she's getting snacks and comfy chair, okay, and then 661 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: I know Christine is just turning over in her grave. 662 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 1: She keeps hugging and clinging to Christine's baby. 663 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 14: When did they first begin to refer to you as 664 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 14: her mommy? 665 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 15: I do not remember when exactly. 666 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 17: Sally Faiz with the Victim Services describes Christine's daughter finding 667 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 17: out her mother is dead. The four year old asked, Maggales, 668 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 17: can I call you mommy now? Valorie Ben asks if 669 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 17: the two would get married, to which Moggalese says, I wish. 670 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, what is it about this video 671 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 1: of the hugging and the slobbering over the baby? And hey, 672 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: when doctor Bethany's talking, could you please show that the 673 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: nanny when she has another hyperventilation as besides, she's hanging 674 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 1: her nose out the squad car. What is she smelling, martyr? 675 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: What is so skin crawling about her hugging all over 676 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: the baby. 677 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 5: It's so skin crawling because she's exploiting the baby to 678 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 5: gain sympathy from the officers. If she really loved that baby, 679 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 5: she would not be have participated in killing the baby's mother. 680 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 5: This is like a Mommy Dearest moment where the a 681 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 5: parent or a nanny uses a child like a prop 682 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 5: so that they can act like they're attached, whereas we 683 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 5: know deep down she's not attached at all. She won't 684 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 5: be attached to Brandon. She wasn't attached to Christine, to Joe, 685 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 5: who's already been murdered lying upstairs. She's not going to 686 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 5: attach to this little baby. This baby might as well 687 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 5: just be a doll, you know, Nancy. It's often not 688 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 5: what people say when they talk to the police. It's 689 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 5: what they don't say. She says, she's hyperventilating, she's putting 690 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 5: a goo good show on. But you know what she 691 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 5: doesn't say, This poor little girl, she had such a 692 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 5: good relationship with her mommy. Her mommy's upstairs. What can 693 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 5: we do to keep her safe and protect It is 694 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,919 Speaker 5: not about the little girl. It's all about killer Nanny. 695 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: And consequently, to Dave mac, it's about the husband, because 696 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: I do believe that much of the killer Nanny. I 697 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: don't think she's got the wherewithal to come up with 698 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,959 Speaker 1: a plot on her own. She just wanted to get 699 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: married to the irs agent hubby. That's all she wanted. 700 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 1: He wanted the murder, Dave mc and I think that's 701 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: very clear. Oh hey, Dave, what can you tell me 702 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: about him? The husband ordering triple soundproof windows so the 703 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 1: neighbors could not hear the wife's scream during the murder. 704 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 10: Nancy, it's unbelievable the effort that he went to. This 705 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 10: goes down to the planning stages of thinking about, hey man, 706 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 10: somebody might hear the yelling, screening whatever outside, So he 707 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 10: orders these triple pain windows that even the guy the 708 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,280 Speaker 10: window people talking about this day. 709 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 11: This goes well. 710 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 10: Beyond trying to say made money with you know, temperature 711 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 10: inside the. 712 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 11: House or outside. 713 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 10: This goes to a whole new level of cover up 714 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 10: and nancy it. We even went so far as Brendon 715 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 10: Bamfilt going upstairs, yeah and sending Magaia is out in 716 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 10: the park in the road, and he is up there 717 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 10: and starts yelling and screaming at the top of his 718 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 10: lungs to see if she could hear it. And she said, 719 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 10: I couldn't really tell what was being said, could only 720 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 10: hear a little bit. So yeah, triple paane windows did 721 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 10: the trick. 722 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: They were called triple glazed windows. He had installed soa 723 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: tate You think that was just a coincydink, a coincidence 724 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: that the husband, thanks, you're very attended with these guys 725 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: come out triple glazed windows and then had the nanny 726 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: go up and scream at the top of her lungs, 727 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: and he waited outside to. 728 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: See if he could hear her. 729 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: They were testing the windows to make sure the neighbors 730 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: could not hear her screaming during the murder. 731 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, none of this is good. This is some of 732 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 6: the worst evidence. I think, circumstantial evidence that I've seen 733 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 6: piled up in a long time. 734 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 1: You're the divise lawyer, something like it really cuts down 735 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: your electric bill? 736 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 2: Well, it does. 737 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 6: They're very efficient and they're used in places sometimes, but 738 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 6: they are efficient. However, having somebody scream so you can 739 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,919 Speaker 6: figure out whether you hear them, I think that's again 740 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence that looks like a plot to kill. And 741 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 6: you know, once again, if you're going to commit a crime, 742 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,439 Speaker 6: if you're going to get up to the edge, then 743 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 6: don't bring somebody with you to testify how bad you've been. 744 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 6: So that's what this guy did here. 745 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: In the last hours, the jury has returned a verdict 746 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: of guilty on the irs agent husband that masterminded a 747 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 1: bizarre sex fetish scheme wherein his wife ends up dead. 748 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 2: All I have to say is, hey, Jerry, you got 749 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 2: it right. But what took so long? Long? Nancy Grace 750 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 2: signing off, goodbye friend 751 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 8: M HM.