1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome, Move the sticks, DJ, Bucky with 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: you as we are just a little over a week away, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: week and a half away from the twenty twenty three 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: NFL Draft in Kansas City. Buck, what's going on? How 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: you man that? 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 3: Man? You know, it was a great weekend. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: We're like, what ten twelve days away before the draft comes, 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: so you're trying to put the finishing touches on. You're 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: getting ready for path to the draft, so you're trying 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: to figure out which new names you want to kind 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: of throw out there for the week so people have 13 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: at least heard about these players before you get to 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: the draft, and then you're trying it. 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: And I got a. 16 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: New updated top five list, as do manyana and I 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: have it my draft that is due next Monday. 18 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to put all that together. 19 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had I've had some decisions to make as 20 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: I'm working towards getting my one fifty. Got turned that 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: in at the end of the week, so that's finalized. 22 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: That's it, no more that final ranking. And you know 23 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: there's some of these debates I've been kind of pushed off. 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: We talk about letting guys travel together. You know, you 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: ring two players like right next to each other, and 26 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, once we get to the very end, 27 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: I've got to you gotta get some supper down, You 28 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: got to yes some hard choices. So like last night, 29 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: I came to the Okay, I'm gonna put a Villa 30 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: over Osyrus Torrents, like I'm having this guard debate and 31 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: having this the whole time, and I was like, well, 32 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: I think Avilla more position flexibility, he fits more teams. 33 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: So you know, we're kind of we're kind of like 34 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: a team without a roster, so when you're doing this 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: on media thing, so it's hard to stack those guys. 36 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, if he fits more teams, and 37 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: I guess I'll go in that direction. Then I had 38 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: that final debate of Paris Johnson and Darnell Wright like 39 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: going kind of I've had those guys right next to 40 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: each other, and uh, you know, it's just trying to 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: sort that one out. That's like one of the last 42 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: things that I have to do here. And then obviously 43 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: you stack the rest of your your one fifty accordingly, 44 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: but those are two of the two of the battles, 45 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: and then I'll be honest with you even I don't 46 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: know where you were on this, but the Richardson Levis thing, like, 47 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: I think we've both been good with the top two 48 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: guys with whatever order. You know, you're either a stroud 49 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: guy or your Bryce, but we both agree those are 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: those are the top two guys. And then to me, 51 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: it's that I'll be honest with you like there I 52 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: don't have a strong conviction on Richardson Levis Levis Richardson, 53 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: so I still got to sort that lout out we finished. 54 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: So it'd be great sometime to have some of these, 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: like to flesh out these conversations, like as you're getting 56 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: close to the end with your one fifty, because I 57 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: think sometimes I struggle. Top fives are a little easier, 58 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: but then you always are trying to put who's next, 59 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: Like if this was d NCAA tournament and you see 60 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: how they do bracketology. 61 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: First four in, first four out. 62 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: So I just kind of would love to have that 63 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: conversation like, okay, you talk about one fifty because for 64 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: people to know, I don't know if this is true 65 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: for you, but the reason why you kind of stop 66 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: at one fifty is most NFL teams on their draft board, 67 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: they have anywhere from a hundred and twenty five to 68 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty names, and so even though they're 69 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: have very many picks there in the draft, normally you 70 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: carry a smaller number because you want to get the 71 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: guys that fit your program. And so I am sure 72 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: when you're cutting down to the one point fifty, you 73 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: are having to make hard choices. And what's different on 74 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: our side, the media side, is you're still trying to 75 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: do it based on your opinion while also taking into consideration. Look, 76 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: they're thirty two teams and thirty two different tastes and 77 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: what they like and those things in which players might 78 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: best fit some of those teams, and so it becomes 79 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: a different challenge than it would be if you work 80 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: for a team. 81 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: And so I would love to have some of those conversations. 82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I think on most years I 83 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: end up having about I think usually over one hundred 84 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: and forty. So I think there was only maybe one 85 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,839 Speaker 2: or two guys in my top one fifty who did 86 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: not get picked last year. I have to go back 87 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: and double check that I'm looking it up right now. 88 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: I do know. 89 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: I had Jack run a roster report for me on 90 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: when the season started. One hundred and thirty four of 91 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: the top of my top one fifty were on active 92 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: rosters last year, So it's kind of you know, you're 93 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: trying and find those guys. But what I'm getting is normally, 94 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: when you're picking in the seventh round, your final pick, 95 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: usually there's one or two guys still left on your 96 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: top one fifty. Usually one to fifty gets you to 97 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: the finish line. 98 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the thing about that, so if you 99 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: talk about one fifty, one to fifty takes you through 100 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: probably much the majority of the fourth round, is that 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: we're about it. 102 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 3: It kind of cuts off right around the fourth round. 103 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: And when you think about that, I think people have 104 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,679 Speaker 1: to understand from our vantage point, we're issuing guys off grades. 105 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: And so when you work for a. 106 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Team, your verbiage matches the grade that you placed on 107 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: a player. So, for instance, if you give someone a 108 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: top ten grade, a top ten grade signals that you 109 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: believe this player is going to be a top five 110 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: or a Pro Bowl player very early in his career. 111 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: If it's just a first round grade, ay, I believe 112 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: this guy's going to be a starter very early in 113 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: his career, maybe from day one, and he's gonna play 114 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: very very well for us for the next three or 115 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: four years, and go on to that, and each round 116 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: that you go down, it changes the immediate expectations of 117 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: a player in our prospect. And so the reality of 118 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: it is, when you get to the fourth round, the 119 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: fourth round, we're talking about developmental players who have redeeming traits, 120 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: who have the potential to develop into a key contributor 121 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: or more end time. So when we talk about players 122 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: in the fifth round that emerge a lot of times, 123 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: if you were drafted in the fifth round and you've 124 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: emerged in something, it's a little bit of luck, a 125 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: little bit of faith, there was character, there was something else, 126 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: because if we felt that strongly about you, we typically 127 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: don't take you into fifth round. We would take you sooner. 128 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of different things that come 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: along with that. And so when we talk about these 130 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: players in the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round, the 131 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: developmental prospects, and sometimes they're put in that category not 132 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: just because of their talent, but because of circumstances, whether 133 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: it's medical, whether it's character or other stuff where you 134 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: can't rake them highly based on those challenges that they 135 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: may bring. 136 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: Yep, exactly right, And one to fifty buck gets you 137 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: halfway through the fifth round. So this year Washington has 138 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: one hundred and fiftieth pick and that's a midway point 139 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: there of round number five. So and I think as 140 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: a scout, I do more players on the media side 141 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: than I did when I was with a team. Like 142 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: most most scouts, especially even if you're an over the 143 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: top guy and you're seeing the top players in the country, 144 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: over the top guys are still maybe doing you know, 145 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: three hundred to three hundred and fifty players probably looking 146 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: at those guys, and then with that everybody kind of 147 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: watches their players. Then you really get that narrowed down 148 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 2: to one fifty. So on this one, I'll watch four hundred, 149 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: but I only I only have to rate one fifty, 150 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: and that'll get me, you know, pretty deep along into 151 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: the draft process. There's two hundred and fifty nine picks, 152 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: so you're just a little peak around. 153 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's think, let's think about this, and we've 154 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: heard it, like there have been reports that where people 155 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: have talked about like the new England pages at one 156 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: point only we'd have seventy five on their board. I 157 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: know back in the day, I think the Cardinals would 158 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: have maybe one hundred, one hundred to one hundred and 159 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: twenty five. So when you think about how skinny that is, 160 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: because I've been with teams that operated where I mean. 161 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: I think with the Panthers we had a million people. 162 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: It was so there were so many people on the board. 163 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: It was cluttered because you couldn't really think because there 164 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: were so many names. Can you imagine going into a 165 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: draft with seventy five to one hundred names only on 166 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: the board, Like, would that make you nervous that you 167 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't find your guy? 168 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: I don't know, well it it would, but I think 169 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: that you narrow it down and you cut out so 170 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: many guys. I talked to a team the other day 171 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: and I won't mention the player, but there's a defensive 172 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: lineman who's being talked about and some you know, some 173 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: media stuff has him going in the first round. A 174 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: lot of people have him as a top fifty player, 175 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: and this team had him and that they're like, wow, 176 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: we maybe would take him the sixth round. He didn't 177 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: fit us, so we went to why would we take him? 178 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: He didn't fit us. So that's why I think it's 179 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: funny when you know you're grading these guys on our 180 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: side of things, and they're like, well, I don't understand 181 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: how you can be so different than this other person. 182 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: He has him as the twelfth player and you have 183 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: him as the forty fifth player. I'm like, you realize 184 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: that that guy who's a twelfth player on somebody of 185 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: the media's board might be the one hundred and fortieth 186 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: player on the team's board. Like that's how wide ranging, 187 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: especially this year. Like this year, it's throw it all out, man, Like, 188 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: this is not a it's not a loaded blue chip 189 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: player draft where we would look at it and say, okay, 190 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: all teams agree these are the you know, these are 191 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: twenty five to twenty eight of the top thirty two players. 192 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: It's not that type of year. 193 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: It's not the type of year, and so draft night 194 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: may be as volatile as we've seen in recent years 195 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: because everyone is all over the place on these players, like, 196 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: no one has a consensus. 197 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 3: Maybe the top fifteen. 198 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: I think we probably get agreement on top fifteen to eighteen, 199 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: but after that it's wide open and because it's so 200 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: wide open, there's going to be some picks where everyone 201 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: does the collective because you're not expecting that player to 202 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: go as soon as he goes, and so it's going 203 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: to change the thing. And I know every one loves 204 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: mock drafts and all that other stuff, but it's kind 205 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: of hard to stay true to your drafting philosophy if 206 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: you're thinking beyond mock drafts and wanting to get the 207 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: mock draft right. If you're greating players based on how 208 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: you think they're gonna play in the league, there's gonna 209 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: be a wide disparity between what you think and what 210 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: some other guys think, based on what system you grew 211 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: up in, what you're thinking about, what teams you kind 212 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: of have in mind when you're given those grades. 213 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: It's all subjective, but that's also what makes it fun. 214 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think in most years I have 215 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: to go back and look it up, but I would say, 216 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: on average, if you're doing a mock draft, I would say, 217 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: while the team and the guy being married up properly 218 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: is darn near impossible nowadays, some guys obviously have had 219 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: more success than we have, but I would say on 220 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: most years, I bet both of us have between twenty 221 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: five to twenty eight of the thirty two names correct, 222 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 2: like those end up being first round picks this year, Buck, 223 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: I'll how fully anticipating this might be one of those 224 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: years where it's like you get twenty of the because 225 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: there might be forty five different guys capable of filling 226 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: those last Well, I guess there's only thirty one picks 227 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: this year, but there's a huge swath of players capable 228 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: of fitting those last eleven spots. This year. I can't 229 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: remember a year like that where it's just you know, 230 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: it's going to be very very neat specific in my opinion, 231 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: as we get to the bottom of the first round. 232 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: It is. 233 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: And so that goes to one of the things I 234 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: want to talk about because everyone, particularly when we do 235 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: the stuff that we do, like, let's talk about it, 236 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: like without our TV guys being mad at us. Everyone 237 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: wants to talk about trades and who's going to trade 238 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: up or down and this stuff, and I would like 239 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: to have the conversation with you. Trades aren't driven by 240 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: the teams. Trades are driven by the player. There has 241 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: to be players that you covet to make you want 242 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: to go up No one is just moving up and 243 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: down the board unless there's a specific blue chip player 244 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: that's you're honting in your experiences, what have you seen 245 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: drive the trademark? 246 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: Well, trades usually get driven by two things more important, 247 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: you know, usually they're driven by quarterbacks first and foremost. 248 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: That drives the trades. And then usually it's it's pass rushers, right, 249 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: if you're trying to get up to get a premier 250 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: pass rusher. Well, and this year, you know, I've already 251 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: seen one quarterback trade and maybe we get a chance 252 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: to see another one. So I think that is active. 253 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: I still think that's a thing this year. But edge 254 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: rusher wise, because there's a bunch of them, it's a 255 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: pretty deep group. Now, we might not have the you know, 256 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: a Nick Bosa or a Miles Garrett or a von Miller, 257 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: but it's a pretty deep group of guys. So I 258 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: don't envision seeing trades for edge rushers because you can 259 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: sit where you are and still get a quality edge rusher. 260 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. No. 261 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: So it's funny because another conversation that has kind of 262 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: been making the rounds. There's been a lot of conversation 263 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: about Will Anderson and Will Tyree Wilson go ahead of 264 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: will Anderson because maybe there's a little Will Anderson fatigue 265 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: out there when it comes to evaluating him, he is 266 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: not viewed as special as the Miles Garris of the 267 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: world or some of the other top pass rushers that 268 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: have gone off the board. What should take on Will 269 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Anderson when it comes to that, Like, how do you 270 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: rate them compared to some of those other guys that 271 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: have kind of come out. 272 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: So I'll give you some numbers because I'm glad you 273 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: brought this up. I was actually talking to an assistant 274 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: GM about this last night and we were just kind 275 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: of like, is the league really the league isn't really 276 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: going to let this happen? Are they? And you remember 277 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: I in my second mock draft, Buck, I think I 278 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: said I put Tyree Wilson ahead of Will Anderson on 279 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: a mock draft. Again, that's not when I think of 280 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: the player. It's a mock draft based on what you're hearing. 281 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: Because I do know for a fact there are teams 282 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: that are Tyree Wilson over Will Anderson teams. And I said, 283 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: let's just prepare you for the fact that this could happen. 284 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Just be prepared for it. It was almost like when we 285 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: were having the Trayvon Walker Aiden Hutchinson conversation. Yeah, we 286 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: were both Hutchinson guys, but we said, hey, be ready, 287 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: there's teams that have it the other way and be 288 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: prepared for that. So that was that conversation. But let 289 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: me give you these numbers. Will Anderson from twenty twenty 290 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two thirty four and a half sacks, 291 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: sixty two TFLs. He is first in sack over that 292 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: period in the FBS. He's first in TFLs. He's first 293 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: in quarterback hits, he's first in quarterback pressures. He was 294 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: a dominant player as a true freshman starts at Alabama 295 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: as a true freshman, which you do not see often. 296 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: The numbers like it's off the charts, and then they say, well, 297 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: his overall stats came down a little bit this last year, 298 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: but if you look at his playtime went down because 299 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: they were rolling more guys through and they have Turner 300 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 2: on the other side who was a good player as well, 301 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 2: and they were rolling guys through. His production per snap 302 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: is still as high as it's been. And it's like, 303 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: are you just just bored? Is that what we are? 304 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: We're just bored of watching him play that we're going 305 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: to try and niitpick him. Is that where we are. 306 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: I do believe there is something to it DJ. 307 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm the biggest support of production when it 308 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: comes to that position, man, that production translates. And so 309 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about thirty four and a half sacks and 310 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: sixty two TFLs. I mean disruptive plays that are on 311 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: tape multiple years across a span of time where you 312 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: can say, hey, this is. 313 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: What he does against the lefty years. 314 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: Against top competition. 315 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: And so this is the danger, I say, of the draft, 316 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: because the draft happens so far from the end of 317 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: the season that sometimes you get bored. 318 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: And you overthink and you make it more than what 319 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: it is. 320 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: And the funny thing about the Tyree Wilson conversation is 321 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: Tyre Wilson is a really good player. But Tyree Wilson 322 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: also has an injury that has kind of prevented him. 323 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: From doing stuff. 324 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: So here we are not only talking about a player 325 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: that was more productive, but a player that is healthy 326 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: and hasn't had any durability issues. And so normally the 327 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: clean player always gets to nod. And so the fact 328 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: that it is to me is just kind of fascinating, 329 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: particularly when the conversation of late has been whether the 330 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: Houston Texans going to do at two they may bypass 331 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: on the quarterback and take a pass rusher, and then 332 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: which pass rusher is it. It's just fascinating to me 333 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: because I'm like, man, will Anderson has been kind of 334 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: like the bell of the ball for two years. We've 335 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: talked about him going forward to he was going to 336 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: be a top pick in those things. Jalen Carter, Yes, 337 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: I can see Tyree Wilson. I'm a little more surprised 338 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: that his name has been the one that has been 339 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: placed over top of Williamson. 340 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and again, I mean I like Tyree Wilson. 341 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: He is see where I ended up with him, Tyree Wilson. 342 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: For me, buck is Tyree Wilson is my fourth player 343 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: in this draft class. He's one of the best players 344 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: in my fourth player. Willierson is my second player, just 345 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: behind the quarterback and Bryce Young So and again, like 346 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: all the numbers, you know well, and I give Tyre 347 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: Wilson credit. He had a great year this year, twenty 348 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: eight point eight percent pressure percentage, which is tops among 349 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: all these guys in this draft class. But you look 350 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: at Will Anderson, He's he's fourth with seventeen point eight percent, 351 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: and that's against a different level of guy he's playing 352 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: against in that conference. So I don't know, he's done 353 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: it for a long time. There's a long track record there, 354 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: nitpick him at your own to your own demise there. 355 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: I think he's a really good player. I think he's 356 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: the best. He's the he's the combination of the best 357 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: slash state this defensive player in the draft. I think 358 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: we're both on the same page. Jalen Carter is the 359 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: most talented defensive player in the draft class. Minute he's 360 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: the one when you pop on the tape and it's like, 361 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: you know, I was doing just getting ready for the 362 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: draft and going back through and looking at all our exo 363 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: highlights that we have when these guys get picked, and 364 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: making sure that we're on the same page with the 365 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: words that we have flying on the screen. So I've 366 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: just been watching these tapes all weekend and you start 367 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: watching and these are the top players. Is the top 368 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: seventy five players we have these tapes on and like 369 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: a good player, good player, good player, good player whoa 370 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: like Jalen Carter like that that jumps off the screen. 371 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: That's different. 372 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: That's different, it's different, And sometimes you have to go 373 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: back and do that because it's been so long since 374 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: we like did the full analysis and the report. You 375 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: talk about these guys and you kind of get used 376 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: to the same words that you the same buzzwords that 377 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: you use for these players, and so sometimes you like 378 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: on autopilo, but then there's a difference between good and 379 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: great in this league, and there's a difference between those 380 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: those elite blue chip prospects and those those guys that 381 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: are just below the line. And sometimes you have to 382 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: do it refresher to remind yourself why you loved those guys, 383 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: whether it's rereading the report or just kind of popping 384 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: in tape just to remember how specially they were. And 385 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: so Jalen Carter is one of those and so like 386 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: let's talk about him right quick, Like DJA character is 387 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: what it is you talked about the ability that you 388 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: see on tape. You go back to last year when 389 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: you watched all those guys come out of Georgia, everybody 390 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: still talk about Jalen Carter. 391 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 3: And so now that we're a weeke and some change 392 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 3: away from the draft. 393 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: How do you balance the production and the potential versus 394 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: the boogeyman that could be out there, which is the character. 395 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's why it's going to be impossible for 396 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: us to do it right. So you want to be 397 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: able to be able to clear him through the process 398 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: of an awful situation that took place and which he 399 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: was involved in, but it has been resolved legally, so 400 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: there's nothing that's to come and terms of a legal 401 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: proceeding or you're worried about what's going to happen from 402 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: that standpoint. So at least that is in the past. 403 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: You and I don't get the opportunity to spend enough 404 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: time with him where we'd be able to say, Okay, 405 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: there's a difference between uh, you know, a lapse in 406 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 2: judgment and poor character, if that makes any sense, Like 407 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: you can make you're going to make mistakes in life, 408 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: and hopefully this is not this is something he's done, 409 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: This is not something about who he is, and we 410 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: can we're not going to get that information. So that's 411 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: why it's going to be hard for us to say that. 412 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: All I can say is what I can see on 413 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: the video in terms of a football character standpoint of 414 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 2: does he play hard, does he play with passion? And 415 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: does he does he take plays off? All those types 416 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 2: of things. I didn't have one concern. There's not one 417 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: note of my paper that I thought, Okay, this guy's 418 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: saving himself, this guy is not given effort. I thought 419 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: it was exceptional, to be honest with you, and so 420 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: that's why from our spot, I dropped him a few spots. 421 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: He was my number one player in the whole draft, 422 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: buck I mean, I dropped him the number five. So 423 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: I feel like that was my way of acknowledging, you know, 424 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: the situation that took place that he was involved in. 425 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: But in terms of the football stuff, I didn't have 426 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: any evidence that this guy doesn't love football and doesn't 427 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: play hard. 428 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: So that's the thing, because it has morphed into and 429 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: I think people have to understand where we talk about character. 430 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: We talk about it in two different forms. 431 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: We talk about more character in terms of like how 432 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: you are, how you treat people, things you're involved in, 433 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: what you're engaged in, and then we also have a 434 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: discussion in the room about football character. 435 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: Do you love the game, how do you prep, how 436 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: do you practice? 437 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: How do you take care of your business in the 438 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: weight room, on the field, all of those things, how 439 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: you around your teammates. And so the first thing that 440 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: you have to assess is like the moral character. Okay, 441 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: what is he involved in away from the facility? 442 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: How is he How does he treat people? 443 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: Dude, believe that we can quote unquote trust him when 444 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: he's not with us those hours that he's not in 445 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: the facility. Can we trust him to do the right 446 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: thing when no one really knows what he's doing. Secondly, 447 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to the football character, does he love ball? 448 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: And that is thrown out there a lot. Every time 449 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: you talk to a prospect, they say, oh, I love ball, 450 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I love ball, I love ball or whatever. But do 451 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: your actions line up with the words that you're saying 452 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: when it comes to your affinity for the game. And 453 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: so there's been some conversation where they've talked about Jalen 454 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Carter and whether he would show up and whether we 455 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: do those things or whatever. But what I will say 456 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: is there are not many guys who walk around the 457 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: planet Earth looking like him, playing like him, with his 458 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: kind of tools and traits. And so even though we 459 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: can ding him on some of those things. At some point, 460 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: someone's gonna be like, Okay, the buck stops here, we'll 461 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: take her. And so we have said we confidently know 462 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: for sure he's not getting past the Philadelphia Eagles at ten. 463 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: But DJ, I have a hard time thinking he gets 464 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: passed the Seattle Seahawks at five. And even then to 465 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: think that Jalen Carter, arguably the best player in the 466 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: draft might be the fifth player taken, it's still hard 467 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: for me to envision that that is what's going to 468 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: take place on draft night. Despite all the conversation and noise, 469 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: I still have a hard time believing that he'll be 470 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: fifth or later in this draft. 471 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I go back to you remember when 472 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: Leonard Williams was coming out. I think he was my 473 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: top player in that draft. I think he was the 474 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 2: sixth pick, fifth or sixth pick of the Jets at 475 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: that point in time. And he's you know, obviously he's 476 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 2: gone on and made a lot of money and he's 477 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: now with the Giants and has has had a good career. 478 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: But that was an example of some I thought was 479 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: the best player in that draft and ended up going six. 480 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: So you know, there is precedent there with that I 481 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: would say, and you'll see it reflected in my top 482 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: one point fifty when it comes out buck that there's 483 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: a difference, you know. And this is again I feel 484 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: like this is helpful for those that are listening or 485 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: watching of seeing what takes place in the draft room. 486 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: So if I have a player who is let's say, 487 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: you have a better player, right, so this guy's a 488 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: little bit better, but the guy that's not quite as 489 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: good as him as is superior character wise, Okay, I 490 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: might take I might take the guy who's superior work ethic, 491 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: character intelligence, all that stuff. I might take him and 492 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: put him over a guy who's a better player. There's 493 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 2: a difference though, between a better player and a dominant player. Yes, 494 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying like this, I have a 495 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: hard time even I'll say this, this is this player, 496 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: the guy has better football character, work ethic, you know, passion, intelligence, 497 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But the guy that I 498 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: have is a dominant player. Like, that's harder for me 499 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: to then factor that in. So in other words, if 500 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: it's close, yes, a clean character record is going to 501 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 2: elevate you over somebody, even if that guy is a 502 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: little bit better than you. But when the other player 503 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: is a dominant player, it's harder. 504 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's harder, And let's be honest, teams are more willing. 505 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: Most teams are more willing to take a risk on 506 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: a dominant player because everyone believes in their program, their structure, 507 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: their culture that they're going to get the best out 508 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: of the player. The big part is when you see 509 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: that Jalen Carter is going on these visits. These visits 510 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: are kind of the litmus tests to determine whether you 511 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: can bring him in the building. I think today he 512 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: might be in Detroit, and so you got Dan Campbell 513 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: in company, you had Dan Kempberle in company, kind of 514 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: poking and trying to see what does he fit. Because, 515 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: as you use Leonard Williams as an example, the Detroit 516 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: Lions are sitting there at six and DJ if they 517 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: somehow find a way to land Jalen Carter to go 518 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: beside Aiden Hutchinson, you know, like you're now talking about 519 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: a young, dominant, dynamic defensive front that fits what Dan 520 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: Campbell wants to do, which is basically, I want to 521 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: beat you up for sixty minutes on defense and come 522 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: after you. 523 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 3: And so. 524 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: These visits are really important. Everyone is trying to get 525 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: to know these players, to know what they bring to 526 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: the table, and so it's just a very very interesting 527 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: and fascinating time. Last thing for you, because you said 528 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Bryce Young is your number one player, and I am 529 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: hearing more conversation about Bryce Young going to the Carolina 530 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: Panthers because of all the things that he brings to 531 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: the table people that have been I just able to 532 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: get comfortable with the height, with the size in those things. 533 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: So for you, tell me why Bryce Young is your 534 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: number one and why you're not worried about any of 535 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: the stuff that could come with being five ten and 536 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: some change one hundred and eighty five two hundred and 537 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: ninety five pounds at the QB one spot. 538 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: I'll give you it's two reasons, really, And this is 539 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: why I've had this, you know, since they got the 540 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: first overall pick. I said, I thought this was for 541 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: Bryce Young because I feel like he's the best player, 542 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: and I feel like you don't. You don't stay too 543 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: you know, types and specs. When you get the first 544 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: overall pick, you stay to get the best football player. 545 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 2: And obviously quarterback was going to be the direction they 546 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: were going to go. But the two reasons why for 547 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: me he's the best player Buck. It's for the combination 548 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: of what I see on the field paired with what 549 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: I know in terms of the work ethic, football intelligence, leadership. 550 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: All the off the field stuff is off the charts, 551 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: so it marries up with what we see on the field. 552 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: Now we get on field pocket awareness, poise, placement, playmaking. 553 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: I talked about those four p's throughout the process with him. 554 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: I think that's his calling card. He's like a coach 555 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: on the field. This guy understands the complexities of the game, 556 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: and it's already doing some master you know, some master 557 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: degree level stuff on tape. In other words, you see 558 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: him manipulate safeties with his eyes. You see him move guys. 559 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: You see him create space and time and then understand 560 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: I can run for five yards, so I can buy 561 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: time and I can throw it for fifty Like it's 562 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: he does some graduate level stuff. And there's no there's 563 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: no game, there's no game that I point to during 564 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: his career at Alabama where I go, oh, man, well, 565 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: just I guess we just got to throw that one out. 566 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: You know, let's uh, you know, hopefully that's not who 567 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: he is. Like I don't know where that game is. 568 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: Nobody's been able to show me. I've seen everything this 569 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: guy's done on tape, and every game is consistently good. 570 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: So I feel like there's a there's a comfort there 571 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: knowing and how he's wired, and then also knowing and 572 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: how he's played. And then look, we all, well, you know, 573 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 2: anybody that's on the Bryce Young train, we're all going 574 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: to be crossing our fingers that he can stay healthy 575 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: with his frame. But that's the risk that I'm going 576 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: to take. 577 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, It's funny because having gone through the process early, 578 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: I've obviously had CJ. Stroud over Bryce Young, even though 579 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: I believe they're kind of like one A and one B. 580 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: But a lot of what has held me back from 581 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: Bryce Young has been like the size and the prototypes 582 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: and those things, because it is ingrained in you two. 583 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: Hey man, the quarterbacks need to be six two two 584 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty. They need to be able to have 585 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: the durability to handle this stuff or whatever. But I 586 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: did have an interesting conversation a while back, maybe it 587 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: was February. I was talking to, I mean, a long 588 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: time NFL head coach who has been out but now 589 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: he's back with the team, and we were talking about 590 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Bryce Young and he said, Oh, he's a guy, but 591 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: why is the guy? 592 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: Do you worry about the height? 593 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: He was like, you don't even worry about that part 594 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: of he said in your mind when you're building the team, 595 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: you may have to say, hey, this is what we're 596 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: gonna do. Bryce Young is o guy. He does all 597 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: the things that we want. Maybe he's available for fifteen 598 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: out of the seventeen. So the most important job is 599 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: who's the backup quarterback because we have to kind of 600 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: bake into the equation. He might miss a game or 601 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: so because he's dinged up, but he is so good 602 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: that I'm willing to play fifteen games with him as 603 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: opposed to settling for a lesser player who may be 604 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: available all the time. And so in thinking about that, 605 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: if you're thinking about this is an organizational decision, and 606 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: he does have a slender frame, it is important that 607 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: the number two quarterback can go in and win a game. 608 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: And so when you think about the Carolina Panthers, the 609 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: Panthers signed Andy Dalton in the offseason. 610 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: You now have a. 611 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: Veteran quarterback who is more than capable of winning games. 612 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: And we saw last year he won games in New 613 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: Orleans in time. But with Bryce Young coming in, it 614 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: not only is about him, is about making sure we 615 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: have all the things to backstop him, to give him 616 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: the support that he needs. Some of that support is 617 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: not only the expertise being shared by the backup quarterback, 618 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: but it's also the backup quarterback being good enough to 619 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: fill in in his apps. Is because inevitably he might 620 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: get banged up a miss eight game or two just 621 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: because of the slender frame, but that doesn't deter us 622 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: from taking in because it's the best player on the board. 623 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you said it beautifully there, Buck, 624 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: and I've been kind of saying similar things this whole time, 625 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 2: which was I'd rather have fourteen fifteen of him than 626 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen of somebody else. It's just the way that 627 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: it works. So I'm going to bet on the player, 628 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: and then I'm going to hope that he's you know, 629 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: he's able to stay healthy. There's going to be hope 630 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: involved with any of these quarterbacks you pick. I just 631 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: to me, I feel more comfortable with this particular risk 632 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: with him, But you know, we'll see how it all 633 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: shakes out, We're going to take a quick break. We're 634 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: going to come back and hit the Jalen Hurts contract 635 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 2: that just got done. And I want to connect the dots, 636 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: not only just as guys who played at the University Alabama. 637 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: I do'tant to connect the dots between Jalen Hurts and 638 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: why he got paid and what we just talked about 639 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: with Bryshawn. We'll do that right after this, All right, Buck, 640 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: Let's talk about this new contract that just came down. 641 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: A couple thoughts here on Jalen Hurts, who just signed 642 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 2: a five year, two hundred and fifty five million dollar 643 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: contract extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. It's going to make 644 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: him the highest paid player in NFL history, puts his 645 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: average per year at what fifty one million, one hundred 646 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: and seventy nine million in total guarantees won ten fully 647 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: guaranteed at signing one hundred and twenty six fully guaranteed 648 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: by March twenty four, as well as the first no 649 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: trade clause in Eagles history. Hurts only twenty four years old, 650 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: Buck Cup. Two things here. Number One, we said it 651 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: on a previous episode that with all these extensions that 652 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: were on the horizon, and obviously everybody knows about Lamar's situation, 653 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: but we anticipate the Burrow and Herbert contracts coming shortly 654 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: that Howie Roseman was going to jump to the front 655 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: of the line and he was going to get Jalen 656 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: Hurts done. So check that box. That is no surprise. 657 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: How he knows that price ain't going down, it's only 658 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: going up. So he's the first one to post. He 659 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: wanted to get that deal done and he did so. 660 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: So that was my first thoughts, second thought, and I 661 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: wanted to get your thoughts on this. I was talking 662 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: to someone with the Eagles the other day and we 663 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: were talking about Hurts and we're talking about in reference 664 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: to the debate in this draft between Anthony Richardson and 665 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: Will Levis and saying, Okay, if we acknowledge that Young 666 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: and Stroud are kind of they're way further along their development, 667 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: you know, where they are in the process where there's 668 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: more distance to travel with the other two, And who 669 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: do you decide who you like better? It's something I'm 670 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: struggling with to see which one of those guys. And 671 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: a common thing that's been out there is, okay, well 672 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: you use the Jalen Hurts plan, ease them into it. 673 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: They both can run, and then they'll develop into passers. 674 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: And then obviously we've seen the success that Jalen Hurts 675 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: has been and off they go. And this guy with 676 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: the Eagles reminded me, which was excellent. He said, what 677 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: people need to realize, Jalen Hurts, since he's been drafted, 678 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: has been the first one in the building every single day. 679 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: He's been the last one to leave every single day. 680 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: Buck he shows up with a briefcase, an actual briefcase, 681 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: every single day. So, in other words, if you could 682 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: tell me if I had the ability to know those 683 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: two guys when Anthony Richardson and Will Levis at a 684 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: much deeper level than we can in our particular roles 685 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: that we're in right now, and you can say which 686 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: one of these guys is more likely to be that guy, 687 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: because that's the way you travel from this point to 688 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: that point. There's no shortcut. It is in a incredible 689 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: amount of hard work. Hats off to Jalen Hurts on 690 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: that deal. But I think that's a great lesson for 691 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: all these quarterbacks. 692 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: It's an outstanding lesson. 693 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: And having known him, having watched him from when he 694 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: was in high school, going through the elite eleventh circuit, 695 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: watching him perform at Alabama and then go to Oklahoma. 696 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: A couple of things that I think people miss about 697 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, And this is what has kind of annoyed 698 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: me about, like people making the comparison with Anthony Richson 699 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: and others to him. I think people need to go 700 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: back and remember how dominant he was at Alabama in 701 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: his own way. As a freshman, he had Alabama on 702 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: the doorstep of winning the national title. He guided them 703 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: as a guy who was a dominant player as a 704 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: freshman and sophomore. 705 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: To a tongue, a by lawd takes over. Jalen Hurts 706 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 3: stays since weights works, has. 707 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: An opportunity to go in in the SEC championship game 708 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: and delivers. He then goes to Oklahoma, changes system, kind 709 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: of has to reinvent himself a little bit to fit 710 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: in linking Riley's system. He becomes a Heisman Trophy finalist 711 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: in that system, and you look at the numbers. The 712 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: numbers were remarkable, So you're talking about a dominant college player. 713 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: He goes to Philadelphia, where he's really thought of as 714 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: an afterthought. It was a lot of controversy about why 715 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: they would use a second round pick on him. Howie 716 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Roseman at the time talked about, we are always in 717 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback developing business. We want to be a quarterback factory. 718 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: They have Carson Wentz there who had just got a 719 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: four year, one hundred and twenty eight million dollar extension. 720 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: He is the franchise quarterback. Jalen Hurst's work ethic endears 721 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: him to the teammates that he has the it factor 722 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: that the franchise quarterback who just got paid doesn't have. 723 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: And so a lot of the stuff that we talk 724 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: about with quarterbacks, we always talk about the arm talent 725 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: and this and that. 726 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: It's the dude. 727 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: The dude fact that that Jalen Hurts brings is one 728 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: that you can't quantify. And so when we're looking at 729 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that we're digging deep, it ain't about the 730 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: playing style. It's about the guy that really loves it 731 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: and is willing to do all the other stuff. So 732 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: what your friend and colleague told you about the Eagles 733 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: is everything that we should be looking for. The recipe 734 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: isn't the skill set. The recipe is the intangibles. Jalen 735 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: Hurst's ability to show grit, toughness, determination, the industrious all 736 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: of those things that he brings. That's what I want 737 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: my franchise quarterback to do. And that is why Jeffrey 738 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: Lewie and Howie Roseman had no problem issuing the check. 739 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: That might speak volumes about why it's taking it so 740 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: long for other quarterbacks to get paid. When it comes 741 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: to that, the people in the building knew exactly what 742 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: they getting from Jalen Hurts because he's always around. 743 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: All right, This is the last line of the report 744 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 2: when he was coming out buck and we've referenced it 745 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: many times. Overall, Hurts must continue to improve in the 746 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: passing game, but I'm gonna bet on his eventual success 747 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 2: due to his playmaking skills and overall competitiveness. And that 748 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 2: is exactly what you were just talking about. It's what 749 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 2: we've talked about with that Steve Young line of over 750 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: my dead body, are we going to lose the game? 751 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 2: Like there is a competitive drive to him that wasn't 752 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: going to accept anything less. And if that's not hokey, 753 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: And everybody says everybody works hard, not like this. No, 754 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: not everybody gets there at that time. Everybody leaves at 755 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: the time he leaves. Go read stories they're out there. 756 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 2: Go read the stories about Drew Brees and the commitment 757 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: that he had and what he was putting in to 758 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 2: get the results he was getting out of New Orleans. Now, 759 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't do it for a year 760 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: or two buck on sheer ability, and we've had some 761 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: unbelievably talented guys come into this league that you can 762 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: get away with it. Here there. Patrick Mahomes is incredibly talent. 763 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes works like crazy. He's obsessed, He's obsessed with 764 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: being the best. So I mean to me, there is 765 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: a different level of commitment you get with guys like 766 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, And that's the sweet stuff. That's the good 767 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: sauce right there of what determines whether or not these 768 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: guys are going to be successful. And again I come 769 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 2: back to it in this draft, and not to say 770 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 2: that it isn't great on CJ. Stroud. Everything I've got 771 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 2: out of there has been rock solid. But the stories 772 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 2: and the individual examples I got on Bryce Young were 773 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 2: so off the charts in terms of the amount of 774 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: time he was digging into this whole thing and taking 775 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: a game plan on Sunday and having it down by 776 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: Monday of a game week and making tweaks and checks 777 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: and having play requests and wanting to take things out, 778 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 2: put things in, understanding every single snap what his guys 779 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: are doing as well is what the other guys are doing. 780 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: Like that, to me, that helps me sleep well. If 781 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: I'm a team that's drafting a quarterback knowing that I've 782 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 2: got that level of commitment. 783 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: Well, I think that is the part of it DJ, 784 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: and I think it's the reminder of what we're looking 785 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: for when it comes to the quarterback and why it's 786 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: so important that you have to meet the quarterback, see 787 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback in person, Watch how they interact with their teammates, 788 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: see if they have the secret sauce to make their 789 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: teammates better. Well, with Jalen Hurts, I thought it was 790 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: telling last year the way the team responded to him 791 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: in DJ like to see him dealing with injuries and 792 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: then come back in the postseason and then the performance 793 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: that he put on in the Super Bowl was kind 794 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: of like the rubber stamp. 795 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 3: It was I'm. 796 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: Willing to go toe to toe with Pat Mahomes. And 797 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: if you looked at that and we had the blind resume. 798 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: Jalen hurts, I'll played Pat Mahomes in the Super Bowl. 799 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: And so if you're a Philadelphia and you know the 800 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: person and it still continues to get up and do 801 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: all the other stuff, yeah, why wouldn't you. 802 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 3: Bet on that? 803 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: And so it's not only a lesson to young players 804 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: who are growing up talking about how can I get better? 805 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: How can I be what I want to be at 806 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: the end, But it's really a teaching moment for us 807 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, when we're talking about quarterbacks and 808 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: we're looking at quarterbacks, man, you better bet on the 809 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: guy more so than talent because the guy is always 810 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: going to win out in the end. 811 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. And also the last thing that I'll add on 812 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: this and this can translate over to other positions, not 813 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: just quarterbacks, but when you're visiting with these guys oftentimes 814 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 2: you wonder what are the right questions to ask, you know, 815 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 2: how do we figure you know these guys out and 816 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: what type of commitment they have and how passionate they are, 817 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 2: how much they love this stuff? Buck, you need to 818 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 2: be able to present a plan. So if you're say 819 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 2: you're Bucky Brooks, you know wide receiver coming out of 820 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: North Carolina. I'm going to say, you're coming to my 821 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 2: building on a Top thirty visit. I'm gonna go buck 822 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 2: all right, here we are. It's April seventeenth. What's your 823 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: plan between now and the draft? 824 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: Like? 825 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 2: What is your personal plan? How are you going to 826 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: be ready? And if I talk to you and you 827 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 2: answer that question, you say, well, I know many camps 828 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: are coming up this date and I'm going to be 829 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 2: spending this time working on this until then, and then 830 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: after that, I'm gonna try and pair up with a 831 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 2: veteran I know this guy or that guy. We're gonna 832 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 2: work on releases, and I'm gonna get paired up with 833 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: my new quarterback over this month, and I want to 834 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 2: make sure i'm in there two weeks before training him. Like, 835 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 2: you should have thought all that stuff through. You should 836 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: have a plan, because if you don't have a plan, 837 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 2: you're behind the guys that do. 838 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 3: Man, you are behind the guys that do. 839 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: And I would say this, and it's funny because Jalen 840 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: always references his process, and I think the great thing 841 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: about him as he represents Philly, he always kind of 842 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: leaves a SoundBite that not only resonates with the public, 843 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: but it also resonates to his teammates, so he's always 844 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: able to kind of quiet everything like no, no, we 845 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: need to focus on what's to hear and now and 846 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: those things. And it's funny a lot of what we 847 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: hear Nick Saban talk about the process and how you 848 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: take it day by day and rep our, rep and 849 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: all that other stuff, where Jalen appears to kind of 850 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: live his life like that. And so when you bring that, 851 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: we used to talk about it in the lead eleven. 852 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: I want a thermostat leader, meaning when he walks in 853 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: the room, it changes the temperature in the room. 854 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 3: That's what Jalen Hurst presents. And so that is the 855 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 3: part of it. 856 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: We can talk about it because you see it with 857 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, We've seen it with Joe Burrow. 858 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 3: We've seen it with these elite guys. 859 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: Is not the talent, is their ability to raise the 860 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: level of play for. 861 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: Those around him. Pat Mahomes obviously did a this year. 862 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: You remove Tyreek Hill, the team goes and wins the 863 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: Super Bowl with a lesser supporting cast. And so we 864 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: started the conversation today talking about the difference between good 865 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: and great and talking about the blue chip players and 866 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: dominant players in those things. Those are the little differences 867 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: that are what you're looking for when we're doing the 868 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: evaluation process. Who has the secret sauce, Who has the 869 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: ingredients to elevate everybody around them so we can play 870 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: at a championship level, not only a quarter but at 871 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: other positions. The character, the character, the intangibles, those are 872 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 1: the things that you have to really dig. You got 873 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: to get up under the hood to see if the 874 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: people have the right stuff, because that's the difference between 875 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: good and great. 876 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 3: In this league. 877 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Man, Yeah, I think it's it's cool. 878 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 2: Congratulations to Jail and Hurts on that deal. Much deserved 879 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 2: for all the reasons we just mentioned. In the Philadelphia 880 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 2: Eagles are in good place. We used to have that 881 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 2: quote from Tony LaRussa up in our draft room in 882 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: Baltimore that says, when your best players are your best 883 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 2: workers and your best leaders, you really got something. And 884 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 2: that's that's where Philly is right now. They're in good 885 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 2: shape with him leading the charge here. And as you mentioned, Buck, 886 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 2: when you think about the next ones we're going to 887 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 2: see coming here, I mean I think Cincinnati is Joe 888 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: Burrow said, what their window is his career? Yes, that's 889 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: what he said. 890 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so I can't wait because now, well you 891 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: talk about poning up. Man, I know they wish they 892 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: wouldn't get I wish they got those deals done before 893 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst came through. But now you talking about poning 894 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: up at fifty million per I mean it's going to 895 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: be that best thing. You trying to stretch it out 896 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: as long as you can because the money is big significant. 897 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Hurts getting another bite at the apple here too, 898 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 2: twenty four years old. Hit it again before he's thirty. 899 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 2: We'll hit it again. Good for him anyways, congratulations to him. 900 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,439 Speaker 2: Congratulates to the Philadelphia Eagles. Some cool uh, some cool 901 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 2: things to celebrate there as we head towards the draft 902 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 2: and see if we can find the next Jalen Hurts. 903 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 2: Ourselves here all right, on the next episode, Buck, we 904 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 2: are going to dive in team by team. We're going 905 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 2: to talk about the needs. We're going to talk about 906 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 2: what would be ideal fits for these guys as we 907 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: get a little bit closer to the draft. Again, you 908 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 2: said it ten days we were almost there. We appreciate 909 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 2: you guys hanging with us today. I hope you've enjoyed 910 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 2: this one. We'll catch you next time. Right here on 911 00:41:44,640 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 2: the stacks you want you want to be,