1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: And this is Sarah Hartunger. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 3: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: On the side, we are two working parents who love 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 3: our careers and our families. 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: In this episode, I am going to be interviewing Cindy Everett, 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: who is a CFO and mom who also has a 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: couple of really cool hobbies. And in case anyone is wondering, 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: they are not running hobbies. We have been accused of 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: late of having a lot of people who do serious 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: running as their side thing on this. 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Podcast, which we plead guilty to. 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: We love running and so we are always looking for 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: people who are doing awesome things in that field. Well, 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: we love to talk about it. Sarah's doing a lot 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: of really cool running these days, but we wanted to 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: talk with somebody who not only had a very intense job, 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: but who also made time for other things. 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: So Sindy's going to talk a little bit about. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: Being a docent who leads architectural tours in Chicago, and 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: she also hosts a WWE podcast with her husband. So 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: if you ponder whatever projects and time you might spend 30 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: with your significant other, that is certainly one way to 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: guarantee that you are going to have a lot of 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: time together as you are attempting to get your episodes 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: out frequently. I know Sarah and I spend a lot 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: of time together. 35 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: That's like a multifocal hobby too, because obviously she has 36 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: to cultivate her WWE passion, and then there's the whole 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: creation of the podcast and spending her time with her 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: husband recording it. So that's a that's a really that's 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: a lot of a hobby. 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: It's a lot of a hobby. That hobby is doing 41 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: a lot of things for her right now. 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: So anyway, we think you will love hearing from Sandy 43 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: about her life, because yeah, it really is cool to 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: make time for something other than work and family responsibilities. 45 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: And even if it does take. 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: A reasonable amount of time, it's it's often it's not 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: that much time, right, Like, you know, if I mean, Sarah, 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 2: how many hours. 49 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: Are do you think you are spending running per week? 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: Now? 51 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: Oh? 52 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: I mean I know, for it's like eight hours a week. 53 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: Eight hours. 54 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's eight which is a lot, but that 55 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: is an hour and ten minutes a day, right, So 56 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: if you consider that, there are twenty four hours in 57 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: a day, and obviously she bolkes it a little bit 58 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: more on some days, longer than others, but it's still 59 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: not all your time. And I can say the same 60 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: thing of singing. Like so during the school year, I 61 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: have rehearsal from seven to nine on my choir practice 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: nights on Thursday, and if my chamber choir's meeting will 63 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: sing after that, so it might go to nine thirty. 64 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: And during the you know, during the school year again 65 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: I sing on Sunday mornings and I go at nine 66 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: we rehearse again, we have the ten o'clock service. So 67 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: you know we're talking, depending on how you're counting, it's 68 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: four hours or a little bit more per week. With 69 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: the time I then spend practicing four to five hours 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: a week, and so it's not a small amount of time, 71 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: but again it's it's less than an hour a day 72 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: for something that's a pretty you know, it feels like 73 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: a fairly large commitment. So I think it's important to 74 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: keep those things in mind, that you can actually fit 75 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: a lot into. 76 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: A busy life, and you can get multiple things out 77 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: of your hobby, like what you're singing, You're getting some 78 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: social time, you're getting out of the house, you're practicing 79 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: a craft, you're like and like, we think of these 80 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: things as one thing, but actually they can. And I'm 81 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: sure again with the WWE like it brings her many things. 82 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but was it wwe WW What is it? 83 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: We're going to find out from Cindy, because you definitely 84 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: don't want to find out it was. 85 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: At WWF at some point, I forget. I feel like 86 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: it changed, I mean a change. Yes, I think we 87 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: talk about this too. All right, anyway, we'll hear all 88 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: from Cindy about it. Here we go, great interview, let's 89 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: go for it. Well, Sarah and I are delighted to 90 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: welcome Cindy Everett to the program, who is a listener 91 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: of Best of Both Worlds and so we're very excited 92 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: to have her on. So, Cindy, can you introduce yourself 93 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: to our listeners. 94 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: Sure, thank you, Laura. My name is Cindy Everett and 95 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: I am a mom, a CFO, and a podcaster along 96 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: with my husband, and I'm very excited to be here today, 97 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: so thank you for taking the time to speak with me. 98 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really excited about it. And you have two 99 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: young children, right. 100 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: I do. I have two boys, ones five and a 101 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 4: half and one is three, So it's basically like having 102 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: a Genevieve and a Henry. 103 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Running around pretty close. Actually, yeah, yes, it's your oldest 104 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: in school yet. 105 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 4: No, he's wrapping up pre K right now, so we'll 106 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: be starting kindergarten in the fall. 107 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you live in the Chicago area. Have you 108 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: been there long? 109 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 4: Yes, I've lived in the city. I'm in the city proper, 110 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 4: been here about fifteen years. Did the first seven years 111 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: on the North side on them that my now husband, 112 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: who was a born and raised on the South side 113 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: of Chicago here, so we're still in the city limits. 114 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 4: Chicago has a rule that if you work for the city, 115 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 4: you have to live within the city of Chicago. So 116 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: I'm my husband's a teacher. We our neighbors are all policemen, firemen, 117 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 4: a lot of first responders. 118 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's awesome. 119 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's kind of a probably a good thing 120 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: to be living in the city you are serving. So yeah, 121 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: we were excited to have you on because you I mean, 122 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: obviously you have a great career, family and all this stuff, 123 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: but you also have two really cool side projects, yes, 124 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: that we wanted to talk with you about. 125 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: So the first one architectural tours. 126 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: So tell us all about what you do with that 127 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 2: and how that came to be sure. 128 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, So for the past twelve years, I have been 129 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: a volunteer docent with Chicago Architecture Center. So they are 130 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 4: best known for their boat tours, but they actually offer 131 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: over eighty five different tours around Chicago, either walking or 132 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: on buses in addition to the boat tour, And I 133 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: also have a tour that I do where we ride 134 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 4: the elevated trains. So it's always been kind of a 135 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 4: hobby of mine. And then when I moved to Chicago, 136 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: you know, back fifteen some years ago, I did the 137 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 4: boat tour, got interested, did more tours, did some of 138 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: the bus tours, went to Oak Park and did the 139 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: Frankwood Right tours, and just found more and more. It was, 140 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: you know, an interest of mine, and at the time, 141 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: I was working in public accounting for one of the 142 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 4: Big Four, so long hours, a lot of you know, 143 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: higher stress environment, and like Gretchen Drubin says that reading 144 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: children's literature is hotel My tells I'd come home and 145 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: want to look through my architecture books and look through 146 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: my Chicago history books. So the same week in September 147 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty, sorry, twenty ten, where I put in 148 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: my notice at public Accounting, I applied to become a 149 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: docent for Chicago Architecture Center. So I felt like, you know, 150 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: I'm also an obliger. I need that external accountability. It 151 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: was something I was really interested in getting involved in, 152 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: and I saw becoming a docent really a way to 153 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 4: you know, learn all the history and learn everything that 154 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: I was interested in. 155 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: Which is a really involved process, right. I Mean people 156 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: are like, oh, volunteer gig, I'll just go in, but 157 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: you actually have to really learn a lot to lead 158 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: expert tours. 159 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely. So there was a written application, I had 160 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: to do an in person interview with the panel. The 161 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 4: program started in January of twenty eleven, and they basically 162 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: the program has changed a bit since I went through it, 163 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 4: but they essentially said it was the equivalent of an 164 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: college level class in architecture. So we met, you know, 165 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 4: for eight weeks every Saturday from nine to four for 166 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 4: in classroom training, and then we also had assigned readings. Yeah, 167 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: it was like a college class. We had a syllabus. 168 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 4: Every week we would have to do three or four 169 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: you know write ups of different buildings that were on 170 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: the tours. So it would be write five hundred words 171 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: about the Brookery, write five hundred words about the Banodnoc, 172 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: read these articles about Chicago history. And of course i'mvolving 173 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 4: all this because this is all what I was seeking 174 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: out anyways, content wise, and obviously a lot about you know, 175 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: crowd management, tour management, you know, public speaking, because we 176 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 4: write our own tours. Every tour has a manual, but 177 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 4: I don't have a script that says, first, I'm going 178 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: to read sentence X, then Y and Z. We're given 179 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 4: core topics, and then we have to write our own 180 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 4: narratives and our own notes when we're leading those tours. 181 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, and then and then before I'm before I'm 182 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: able to give tours to the public, I had to 183 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: get certified from another dose, and so I just didn't 184 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: take people out and tell them what I had for 185 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: lunch today and kind of make up my backs along 186 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 4: the way. And then every five years were required to 187 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 4: be peer reviewed to make sure they're staying current. 188 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of rigor to this, to this 189 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: volunteer gig. Yeah, absolutely really want to do it. And 190 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: so what sort of the tours that you lit, Like, what. 191 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: What do you tell people about? Why don't you share 192 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: some of the fun things that we would learn absolutely 193 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: on tour. 194 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 4: So the one that I do three tours right now. 195 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 4: One is a walking tour of downtown Chicago, specifically on 196 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 4: the skyscrapers that were completed eight up through the early 197 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds. So this is a time of great growth 198 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 4: in Chicago. And one thing that's really interesting about that 199 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 4: tour that I always toeut is it's not like DC 200 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 4: where it's government buildings. It's not like Europe where it's churches. 201 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: A lot of the buildings that we talk about on 202 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: that tour are actually commercial office buildings. So yeah, it's interesting. 203 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 4: It's many of them are still functional office buildings. So 204 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: you think about when you want to make a building profitable, 205 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: something rentable, in the eighteen nineties. What does that need? 206 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 4: So you have really small light bulbs, right, electricity in 207 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: the only eighteen hundreds is not the greatest, So you 208 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: want buildings with big plate glass windows. You want Chicago, 209 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: it's very common for buildings to be designed around a 210 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 4: light court. So I'll say a square donut and you'll 211 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: have either a window that is out to the street 212 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: or into that light court to get that natural light. 213 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 4: There is also these buildings were mainly expeculative, where it 214 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: would be a group of investors coming together to invest 215 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 4: in these buildings and they want them to be rentable, beautiful, manageable. 216 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: So there's one quote I use that say, you know, 217 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: a building must be ready with its cost, or there'll 218 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: be no investors to pay for it. And I always 219 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: joke that, Okay, if you have a building that's very 220 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 4: beautiful but not making money, it's not going to be 221 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 4: around for very long. If you have a building that's 222 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: very functional, not beautiful, it's not going to be featured 223 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 4: on an architecture tour at a one hundred years. So 224 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: that walking tour is really great to get the both 225 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: of those those beach I almost said best of both worlds. 226 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is, it is. 227 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: You have to have the beauty and the functionality. It 228 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: is truly the best of both worlds in the architecture son. 229 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you go into some of these lobbies 230 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: which they wanted to be the show stoppers. And there's 231 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: some beautiful lobbies in downtown Chicago. If you're in town 232 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: and get a chance to go in the Rookery building 233 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: on LaSalle, or the Marquette over on Dearborn or one 234 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: point thirty five less to the Seal is a great 235 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 4: Art Deco lobby. It's really cool and something that you know, 236 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 4: you walk by those buildings maybe every day on the 237 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: way to work, and you don't realize that there's these 238 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: beautiful Tiffany mosaics ten feet away from where you're walking. 239 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: So that's why you got to go on a tour, exactly, exactly. 240 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 4: Yes, it's great for people from out of town, and 241 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: even when people from Chicago take the tour, it's really 242 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 4: fun to share those little hidden gems with them. 243 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, so when on earth do you 244 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: do this? I mean you're supposed to be giving a 245 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: certain number of tours regularly as part of maintaining your 246 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: knowledge and your practice with it, and here you are 247 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: a CFO and mom of two young kids, so where does. 248 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: This fit in? Yeah, to your life. So I feel 249 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 4: like with my tours, it's more maintenance phase right now, thankfully. 250 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: So I'll get to the other tours that I learned, 251 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 4: but one of them is about ten minutes from my house, 252 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 4: so that is in the summer. That's a neighborhood tour 253 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 4: that runs May through October. So I leaned heavily on 254 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 4: the Beverly Tour getting my tour hours. Were required to 255 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: do ten tours per year, every tour that you're certified, 256 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 4: and you need to lead at least once, so I 257 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 4: always try and get a good mix of that historic 258 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: Walking Tour is telling you about. I always try and 259 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: get in three or four of the elevated tours, and 260 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: then in the summer, I'll always do the Beverly Walking Tour. 261 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's very It's like anything else, you have 262 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 4: to plan, you have to be intentional about when you're 263 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 4: doing this. I have my planning sessions with my husband 264 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: on Sunday, and that's always something we're thinking about, is 265 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 4: when we're going to record our podcast, when we're going 266 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: to I'll go into that moord later when we're going 267 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: to watch our matches and also when I'm going to 268 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 4: be out of pocket doing tours. So it was a 269 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: little tricky around pregnancies, right. So my first was born 270 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: in October of twenty seventeen, so that in that case 271 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: I did have enough time to get ready and I 272 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: didn't have any kids, so I'd go every weekend and 273 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 4: give tours. You know, I had no problem getting my 274 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: ten second baby was born in April twenty twenty, which 275 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: ended up being a whole other kind of direction we 276 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: went in. But the plan originally was to get you know, 277 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: four tours done before I by March of twenty twenty, 278 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 4: before I got too big to be uncomfortably walking around 279 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 4: downtown Chicago for an hour and a half, and then 280 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: the idea was then to pick that up in the fall. However, 281 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: that ten tour requirement was waived for twenty twenty. Thankful. 282 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: I could imagine if you are tourists in general, taim. 283 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I will say in twenty twenty one, on 284 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: my neighborhood tour, we saw pretty good, good numbers that summer, 285 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: I think because a lot of other opportunities weren't opened yet. 286 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you're walking around outside mostly I mean 287 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 2: with a lot of this sort of exterior stuff exactly, 288 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: it would have been something that people could more safely do. 289 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: So that's right cool, right, Yeah, we left, We weren't 290 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 4: allowed to go into the lobbies for a period of time, 291 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: but thankfully we're allowed to get back in the lobbies, 292 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 4: which is great because I love talking about those lobbies 293 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: on that historic tour. 294 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a quick ad break and 295 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 2: I will be right back with Cindy Evrett. All right, Well, 296 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: we are back with Cindy Everett talking about architecture in 297 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: Chicago right now. So Cindy, you have a few more 298 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: fun facts from your tour that you want to share 299 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: with us that we're all going to learn something new 300 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: here today that we can share with our spouses tonight. 301 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. Sure. So My first fun fact is that after 302 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: the Chicago fire in eighteen seventy one, most of a 303 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: lot of that debris from the fire was actually pushed 304 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 4: out into Lake Michigan, and that forms what is today 305 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: known as Grant Park. So it's basically, push all your 306 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: landfill into the lake and now we have this beautiful 307 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: park that we get to enjoy. 308 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Hey, that's a good outcome, I guess absolutely. 309 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: And as you know, also on that same theme that 310 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: the whole Chicago Lakefront is public property from the northern 311 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 4: boundary to the southern boundary. There's Oprah's building, old Building. 312 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: Lakeshore East is east of Lakeshore Drive, But other than that, 313 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 4: all of Lakeshore Drive is open for people to run 314 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: and bike and it's a great place to plan to 315 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 4: play in the summer. 316 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. Anyone who's gone along there, it's 317 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: really beautiful. I mean, Chicago can be very cold and windy. 318 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: There's a big chants of the air. 319 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: And I noticed that she was not necessarily doing so 320 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: many architecture tours in January. 321 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: I guess too. 322 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: But you would be surprised when people are coming from 323 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: literally all around the world. If they bought tickets to 324 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: a ten am architecture tour, they are going to go 325 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: on the ten am architecture. 326 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: Tour bundled up, bundle us. 327 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: So I've had to give in tour and all sorts 328 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: of weather. 329 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, there was one other the tour you were mentioning, Yeah, 330 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: oh yeah. 331 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 4: And then by other fact, well, I guess a couple 332 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: other facts from my other tours, So my neighborhood tour, 333 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: I really love Beverly the tour on the south Side, 334 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: so I recommend everybody to come take that if you're 335 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: in town. And that is actually the highest natural point 336 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: in Chicago. Chicago's very flat, but when you're in the 337 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: Beverly neighborhood, you have hills. You have this beautiful ridge 338 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 4: where a lot of the movers and shakers of their 339 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 4: time built their mansions, and one person actually built a 340 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 4: replica of a Irish castle, so we have, yes, at 341 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: the corner of one hundred and third Longwood, we have 342 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: Chicago's only castle in our neighborhood. And then the last 343 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: tour that I lead is the Elevated Tour, which is 344 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 4: a lot of fun to actually go up on the 345 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: trains get a really unique perspective of the buildings of downtown. 346 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: We talk a lot about the history of the Elevated. 347 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: One thing, how fun of the fact this is, but 348 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 4: the Elevated was actually started as four different companies, all 349 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: privately owned. Yeah, and they weren't actually taken over by 350 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: the City of Chicago until after World War Two, so 351 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: all throughout the they's all started in the late eighteen 352 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: nineties and they were privately owned up until nineteen forty five. 353 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: It's funny thinking about you know, somebody would be advertising 354 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 2: their line versus something else. 355 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: Like don't take his line, lie. 356 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So if you see some of those old maps, 357 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: like from the nineteen twenties and thirties, there's elevated stops 358 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: like literally every eighth or a quarter of a mile 359 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 4: because they wanted you to take the elevated and not 360 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: a bus and not a street car. So they had yeah, 361 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: so level of service. Yeah, well, very slow level of service. 362 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: So yeah, after yeah, in nineteen forty six, that's when 363 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: the Chicago Transit Authority was formed, so they took over 364 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: those buses, street cars at the time, and the elevated lines, 365 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: and they really streamlined that into one system that would 366 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: work together, not and not competing, right, so you didn't 367 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: have a stop every every five minutes. 368 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I think is transit a natural monopoly or is it not? 369 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 370 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: It's a tough question. 371 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: But getting to your entirely differ for an other cool hobby, 372 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: let's talk wwe yes, so tell us about this one. 373 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: Sure, so I'd say is much as I am passionate 374 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: about Chicago architecture and history, my husband is equally as 375 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 4: passionate about WWE or you know, World Wrestling Entertainment, World 376 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 4: Wrestling Federation through the nineties, so that's something that he 377 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 4: grew up on. Was really always interested in watching those matches, 378 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 4: and ever since we've been together and it's always been 379 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 4: a fixture in our house that he's been watching wrestling 380 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: in some way, shape or form. So in the late 381 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 4: nineties early two thousands, he would post on you know, 382 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 4: the internet message boards, as we all want to do. 383 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 4: There was one called Place to Be Nation that eventually 384 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: turned into a website, and he started contributing there, kind 385 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 4: of doing weekly write ups of different shows and reviews. 386 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: He would guessed on a lot of their tribute shows 387 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 4: and podcasts. And then in twenty nineteen, they were running 388 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 4: you know, just Uphole about the best greatest Wrestler of 389 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 4: all time, and they were doing lots of advertising and 390 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 4: the lasts for that, and so he proposed to them 391 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 4: a podcast where he is the deep kind of as 392 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: the incident insider is very like acknowledgeable perspective, and then 393 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 4: with me, who has is the novice and has no 394 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 4: perspective or appreciation for what's going on at all. So 395 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 4: that's how we pitched it. They said, great, come aboard, 396 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 4: and so every we produced monthly. So we've done about 397 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 4: forty five episodes since the fall of twenty nineteen. And 398 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: what's it called? What's the podcast is called? With this Ring? 399 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 4: Which is our play. 400 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: With this ring? 401 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: Yes, with a married couple, Yeah, exactly, of course, get 402 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: a little honey and having a little puney. 403 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 404 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: And we are hosted on Places to Be Wrestling Network, 405 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: so we don't have our own feed. They just have 406 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: one feed of all their different podcasts and shows and 407 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 4: we put into there. I am very passive. I was 408 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 4: telling you like, I'm not my cousin's the one said 409 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 4: in our recording schedule and our content. So we've done it. 410 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: It's been, like I said, a lot of stuff I'd 411 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 4: never been exposed before. So I know all about you know, 412 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: Steve Austin, I know about the Montreal screw Job. I 413 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: know about out a lot of people and events that 414 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 4: was not a part of my psyche growing up. I 415 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 4: never really watched wrestling, to be quite honest, I didn't 416 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 4: really really realize when I was a kid that it 417 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 4: was it's fake. Yes, they're really punching and kicking each other, 418 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: but the intention is not to seriously injure each other. 419 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 4: It's it's like improv and stage fighting. And that's the 420 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: other thing I didn't quite realize is I thought it 421 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 4: was all very scripted, and some wrestlers do really kind 422 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 4: of know beat by beat what's going to happen, but 423 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 4: a lot of it is improv. They know who's going 424 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 4: to win, they know what the big moments they're going 425 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 4: to be, but they're not really choreographing it move or move. 426 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 4: So I think once I understood that, I had a 427 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: better appreciation for what they're doing and how to be 428 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 4: that athletic and to run around the whole ring, the 429 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 4: whole arena and basically be improvy with your partner. 430 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well it's definitely a different art form. 431 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 4: Than I it is. 432 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you've obviously had to watch a lot 433 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: of it then, though, to hold your own in this 434 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: podcast with your husband. 435 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: Yes, I think I pretty much keep it to the 436 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: basic I can talk about. I liked this combination. I 437 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: liked the way that they were developing this storyline, and 438 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: then Ryan can come and be like, oh, well, actually 439 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 4: it's because of X Y Z or this is the 440 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: way it was kind of set up behind the scenes. 441 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 4: And you know, owen Hart never wants to know Steve 442 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 4: Austin refuses to wrestle owen Hart because owen Hart broke 443 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: his neck once accidentally with the pile driver. 444 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: So well, there you go. 445 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: They are no longer I want to wrestle. 446 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to wrestle them either, exactly. So what's 447 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: it like to do a project like that with your spouse? 448 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: Because I'm sure a lot of our listeners are like, well, 449 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: I'm not into WWE, but the idea of doing some 450 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 2: project other than cleaning your kitchen with your spouse is 451 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: kind of right to think about. So I mean, like, 452 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: do you think this brings you closer? Does it give 453 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: you other things to talk about? Like, well, well, how 454 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: does it go? Yeah, it definitely has brought us closer. 455 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 2: I've learned a lot about him because a lot of times, 456 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 2: like he's you watched a lot of these matches when 457 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: they happen, I can be like, well, what was it 458 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: like when you saw this when you were twelve in 459 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety whatever, And I'll hear about what he was 460 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: doing and what he was thinking at the time. 461 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 4: So that's been really good. Logistically, I'm more of a planner, 462 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 4: but this is his his passion, and he will, all, 463 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 4: you know, give us the recording schedule. We'll always know 464 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: what's baked into our Sunday kind of planning for the week. 465 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 4: He'll tell us we're going to watch these matches on 466 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 4: these days. This is typically happening post eight pm, once 467 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 4: kids are in bed. So it hasn't really caused a 468 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 4: lot of friction in our marriage, if anything, yet, I 469 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 4: think it's brought us closer. We've gone to a couple 470 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: of shows here in Chicago. You know, when we travel, 471 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 4: He'll find the wrestling or the sports events, and I'll 472 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 4: find the architecture tours for us to go to. So, yeah, you. 473 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: Both have your things you're really into. Now that sounds 474 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: like a really cool project to do together. 475 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 4: Thank you. 476 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to take. 477 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: One more quick ad break and then we'll be back 478 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: to hear more about how you make life in general work. 479 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: You're your various strategies for making life more manageable. Absolutely 480 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: all right, So I am back with Cindy Everett who 481 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: has shared it all about leading tours in Chicago of 482 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: the architecture, her husband and her doing this WWE podcast together. 483 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 2: Fun way to have a closer relationship with your spouse. 484 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 2: If you do a project together, gives you at least 485 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: a reason that you have to talk right really frequently. 486 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 4: You always top of the conversation. 487 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, record your conversations and share them with the world. 488 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: So Siddy, you've got a couple, you know, just tips 489 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: of things you do that make life more manageable. 490 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: So first, your your dinner schedule. 491 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 4: I mean, let's let's talk about yeah. Yeah, so very 492 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 4: similar to Laura. We have a very set dinner, set 493 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: schedule that doesn't vary that much. Takes out a lot 494 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 4: of that mental load. You know, Monday is just big 495 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 4: chicken breast taco. Tuesday Wednesday my kids call it kid dinner, 496 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: which is you know, chicken nuggets and those store bought Toortolini's. 497 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 4: And I will admit I will cut up my chicken 498 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 4: nuggets and eat them over spinach. So I feel like 499 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 4: that counts. 500 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: That gets more virtuous. 501 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 4: Exactly, not even that. I just you know, to get 502 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: those extra fruits and vegetables and you know, everything's very customized. 503 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 4: Well write with this stage of life, everything's all acart 504 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 4: in terms of meals. So Thursdays usually either spaghetti and 505 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: meatballs or breakfast for dinner. Friday's pizza. Saturday is if 506 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: we didn't usually the breakfast dinner or spaghetti if we 507 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 4: didn't do that on Thursday, and Sunday is burgers And 508 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 4: that's pretty much it. 509 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: And everyone is fed and everyone is everyone's sad. 510 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's usually on Tuesday enough taco meat leftover for leftovers, 511 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: so yeah, I don't have as strong as a strategy 512 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: for lunch and dinner. Typically Sunday, I'll, you know, cook 513 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 4: a bunch of quinoa and I can eat the taco 514 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 4: meat over that or whatever protein we have leftover from 515 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 4: the night before, so really works. 516 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you are a planning on Friday person. 517 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: I had to see. I had to shout out your 518 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 4: throat TBT rule for planning on Friday. It's just what 519 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 4: I've noticed to my organization is everyone's burned out by 520 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: Friday afternoon. I'm usually relatively light meeting while on Fridays, 521 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 4: so I'll usually block out half hour to just go 522 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 4: through my calendar for the next week, make sure the 523 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 4: meetings that I want to be a part of are 524 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 4: work with my schedule. And I also will make sure 525 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 4: now that I have a team of four direct reports, 526 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 4: if there's anybody that also needs to be in those meetings, 527 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 4: or if I can delegate any of those that also 528 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: gets added. And then I think what's really helpful is 529 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 4: I always plug up. If I have, you know, three 530 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 4: meetings in little half hour windows of daylight in between them, 531 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 4: I'll usually block those off as little buffer times to 532 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 4: make sure I'm not going back to back to back 533 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: in too many situations. 534 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but it's good to be able to 535 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: see that ahead of time. I mean, that's the upside 536 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: of the rights planning is you're not like all of 537 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: a sudden in that day and trying to figure out 538 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: how to optimize a schedule like that exactly. 539 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you. 540 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: Have a routine of doing a little bit of housework, yeah, 541 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 2: after your kids go to daycare. 542 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: How does that work? 543 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's almost like same thing, less mental load. 544 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 4: I have the set meal schedule. I also try and 545 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 4: give myself a little set to our schedule, so I 546 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 4: work from home when I'm not traveling out to our 547 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: different sites. So most of the time I'm in our 548 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: laundry room slash home office, so I drop them off 549 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 4: at daycare, and my kind of transition routine before I 550 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 4: start to work is yeah, depending on the day of 551 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: the week, I have a chorist sign, So Monday is 552 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 4: running the room book, cleaning up all the crumbs from 553 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: the weekend. Tuesday is yeah, wiping down the bathrooms. It's 554 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 4: also nice because I have my iPhone set up. At 555 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 4: between eight am and eleven thirty am, I have all 556 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 4: my apps go dark, which hopes with productivity, but I 557 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: know if I'm cleaning, and when my podcast stops, I'm 558 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 4: usually listening to Best of Both Worlds or something similar. 559 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: When that stops, I know, okay, time to go to work. Yeah. 560 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 4: Wednesday is clean out my car, either the interior exterior. 561 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 4: Thursdays is sheets and towels, and then Friday is general cleanup. 562 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 4: And we have an area of our kitchen that you 563 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 4: and I'm looking at it right now that me and 564 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 4: my husband called trash Mountain. That's where it's not like 565 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 4: trash Mountain, it's like recyclables Mountain. Yeah, you don't keep 566 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: the trash, the recycles they build up the cur I 567 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: get the chip war that needs to get broken down, 568 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 4: the milk, I just knocked that all out at once, 569 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: and you know it doesn't I mean, our house is 570 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 4: not cleaned by any means. But then at least mentally, 571 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 4: I feel like it's stemming some of the issues before 572 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 4: they come bigger issues. Along with those, the maintenance items 573 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 4: that have to be done, especially with potty training, the 574 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 4: bathroom clean up shuppaly get upped a little bit. 575 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: Slightly more frequent. Yeah, we're in that stage ourselves. 576 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it's you know, having the routine means 577 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: it never feels quite so overwhelming anyway. You also have 578 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 2: some pretty good habits in terms of you have a 579 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: happy weekday habits list, so I do so about. 580 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 4: This, Yeah, that's posted on the bolton board above my desk. 581 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: I mean most of these are our Neil brainers, but 582 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 4: still kind of good reminders. So exercise every day, meditate 583 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: for five minutes every day. I have a reminder on 584 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 4: my iPhone at twelve thirty pm to go go meditate, 585 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 4: So I like doing that mid day. I think Sarah 586 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 4: is hers in the morning, but for me, midday, at 587 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: that point the stress of the day is sufficiently piled on, 588 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 4: and that's always a good reminder to take a break in, 589 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: step away from the monitor for a little bit. Same 590 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 4: with journaling. I journal at night. I have an eight 591 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 4: thirty pm reminder, go off and say, okay, put your 592 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: phone down, pull out your journal, write half the page, 593 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 4: just once again, centering. And I don't do every single 594 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 4: one of these every day, but it's of notice that 595 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: days where I do most of them are usually are 596 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 4: usually good days. 597 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 598 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: And one of those things is trying to learn something 599 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: new every day. Yes, So how does that go about? 600 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's always usually something little by being in finance, 601 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 4: I love Microsoft Excel and usually I subscribe to different newsletters. 602 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 4: I'm learning the shortcuts like F twelve if i'm learning 603 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: X look up learning functions and power query a lot 604 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 4: of a lot of data oriented things or architecture. Yes, 605 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: F twelve do Oh if you're in Excel and you 606 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 4: hit F twelve, that brings up the same as men 607 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 4: you write away. Yeah, but it probably works some word too. 608 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 4: I'm not really a word person, but. 609 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: Well who knew? Now we know exactly all sorts of 610 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: good stuff of this architecture wrestling an f Yeah, all. 611 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 4: All my interests come into together. I love it. Yeah, 612 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: drink water, read for fun, you know, cup talk with 613 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 4: family friends. I was trying to make a point to 614 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 4: be silly with my kids, right, I think sometimes you 615 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 4: can get into kind of the barking orders and just 616 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: more the tactical. So I really try every day to 617 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: you know, play a game, be silly, do pictionary, play charades, 618 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 4: just do something that's not a tactical put your shoes on, 619 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 4: sit on the body, yeah, type conversation and say with 620 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 4: my husband too. Yeah. 621 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: Well, And I love that you set the alarms, I 622 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: mean because if it, you know, it'd be like, oh, 623 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to meditate at some point, well what does 624 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: that even mean? Or you know, like you have to 625 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: bring it to the conscious part of your mind. And obviously, 626 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: if twelve thirty happens and your boss is sitting right there, 627 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: you're you're not going to have to set me I've 628 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: got to go meditate. 629 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: But at least it, you know, forces a decision like 630 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: am I going to do it? Am I not? 631 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: Right? 632 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 4: And you know that I have an iPhone so that 633 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: the reminder stays there until you clear it or that's 634 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 4: how my phone set up anyway, So if it doesn't 635 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 4: happen at twelve thirty, then at one o'clock through thirty 636 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: whenever I get in the break break of the action, 637 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 4: and I can go do it. 638 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 2: Well, Sindy, this is awesome. We always end, as you know, 639 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: with a love of the week. 640 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: I can go first. 641 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: I guess I was going my love of the week, 642 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: although I was. I was joking with Sandy earlier. It's 643 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: a love hate of the week. 644 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: Costco. 645 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 2: I went to Costco over sort of lunch today, in 646 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: between calls. I had just enough time to get there 647 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: and get home and get the frozen stuff and the freezer. 648 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: Everything else was left on the counter. I had to 649 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: get on the phone again. 650 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: But it's the place you can get forty batteries for 651 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: fourteen dollars, and it's just really hard to pull that 652 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: off anywhere else. So we've gotten better about it, Like 653 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: we make a Costco list now and I try not 654 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: to get distracted by the fact of like, oh, I 655 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: could get I could get twenty four packs of Kleenex 656 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: too here. 657 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we'd use them at some point. 658 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, I am here, yes for 659 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: batteries and cheerings. 660 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 4: And a CFL and we has to say you don't 661 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: want to tie up your cash and inventory, right, you don't? 662 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 4: Y's true? 663 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I guess sometimes I feel better with 664 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: having lots of inventory. 665 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's a different optimization problem. 666 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: But right, that could be another episode. 667 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: It's a totally different episode of whether we are optimizing 668 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: cash or not. 669 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Costco gets a lot of it. I'm so Sindy. 670 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: How about you? 671 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: What's your love of the week? 672 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: Sure? So, I'm sure you've heard of wordle, right, the 673 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 4: very popular game. My sister in law recently told me 674 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 4: about worldal which has been Yeah, been very fun. It 675 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 4: shows you that it's an app. It's not as sophisticated 676 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 4: as wordle, but world will basically show you the outline 677 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 4: of the country and you have to guess what country 678 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: that is, so and you get six tries, much like wordle. 679 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 4: So it'll show you let's say Canada, and let's say 680 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 4: your first guess is Mexico. It'll tell you or you're 681 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 4: off by two thousand kilometers to the north, and then 682 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: you get to keep guessing and guessing. So it's actually 683 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 4: been a lot of fun. And my older son got 684 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 4: an at list for Christmas. So we'll pull up up 685 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 4: World all together and we'll find the country and then 686 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 4: you'll do the capital and the state flag the country flag. 687 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 4: So it's been a really fun way to get a 688 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 4: good refresher on on world geography. 689 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 690 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: I was gonna say some are probably easy. It's like Italy, 691 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: you got that one pretty easily. 692 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: But then it's like Gabonne. 693 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so many are African countries, South American countries. Absolutely, Yeah, 694 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: I gotta brush up on that. 695 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: Yep. All right, Well, Sindy, thank you so much for 696 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: joining us. This has been great. 697 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. 698 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: All right, So that was awesome hearing from Sindy about 699 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: her very cool life being a CFO and having amazing 700 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 2: hobbies as well. So today's question is a listener who 701 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: has been offered a job at a really awesome, prestigious company. 702 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: The one caveat here is that she would be the 703 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: only remote employee. So not that everybody is in the office, 704 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: you know, five days a week, nine to five, but 705 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: they are all in the same place, and so people 706 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: are coming in and out of the office, and some 707 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: people are working from home occasionally. But it's they're there 708 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: and she would be in an entirely different location, different 709 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: time zone. Should she the job so or you know 710 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: whether she should take it or not? You know what 711 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: are things she should consider? So, Sarah, what are your thoughts. 712 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: On this one? 713 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: So? I feel like the time zone is a really 714 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: really big deal. So I think understanding exactly what that 715 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 3: would mean for your working hours is really really important 716 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: because let's say this was a job like in Asia 717 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: and there's like a twelve hour time difference, Well, are 718 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: you expected to be at your desk and available for 719 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: slack channel messages from six pm to six am? Like 720 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 3: obviously that would be a complete deal breaker. I think 721 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: in most cases it wouldn't be asking that, but you'd 722 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: want to specifically know, okay, like when am I specifically 723 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 3: expected to be at work? Or is this all project 724 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: based and I'm doing it completely on my own time 725 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: except for two meetings a month where I have to 726 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: be synchronous or something like that. I think you'd really 727 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: really want to define what this means for your hours. 728 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: And then I do think I want to point out 729 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 3: the idea that like if very few people are just 730 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 3: you are remote and everybody isn't that's a really different 731 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 3: culture than if everybody in the come and is remote, 732 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 3: Because if everybody's remote, then probably they're going to do 733 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: things to like maybe have fun meetings in cool locations 734 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: every once in a while so people can see each other, 735 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 3: or do some virtual things that bring people closer together, 736 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: or just at least everyone's on the kind of the 737 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 3: same playing field. But there is something I think you'd 738 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 3: want to be careful of if everybody else's kind of 739 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: intimate and knows each other is an insane place and 740 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 3: you're like this other, I think that could be just 741 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: a little bit psychologically difficult and it would be something 742 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 3: you'd really want to delve into. Well, how can I 743 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 3: actually feel part of this team? Are there any plans 744 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 3: to kind of integrate me into this team? And would 745 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: it bother me if I felt kind of separate? So 746 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: those are my two thoughts right off the bat. 747 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the time zone one can be fine. 748 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: It's just going to require a lot of planning. I mean, again, 749 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: it's a different if you are Asia versus something that's 750 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: maybe less time zones apart, Like I think, you know, 751 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 2: if you're in California and everyone's in New York. That's 752 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 2: slightly more doable than if you're in California and everyone's 753 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: in Spain. Like, that's just a very different set of hours, 754 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: because as long as you have some overlapping hours of 755 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: the business day, you should be okay, because people just 756 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: need to plan to have their synchronous conversations with you 757 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: from say nine to noon, and then understanding that things 758 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 2: will have to be set for when you go offline 759 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 2: at that point that then other people are still working. 760 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: I think there's also the consideration are you just going 761 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: to be out there on your own forever or you know, 762 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: sometimes like the question is are you being brought in. 763 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: To build a team? 764 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: Right like it's this like an early stage company or something, 765 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 2: And if you are building out a functional area, that's 766 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 2: entirely different, like because then you'd build it with you 767 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 2: right like you could you know, have it in your 768 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: area and hire people that you could then see and 769 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 2: lead that team. Even again, if people are working remotely, 770 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 2: if you were all within an hour of each other, 771 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: you could decide to get together once a week or so, 772 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: and that would be a very different experience versus you 773 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 2: being that satellite forever from the mothership and that would 774 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: be something to consider. If you were really serious about 775 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: taking this job, you might want to get yourself to 776 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: the headquarters fairly frequently, at least in the beginning. So 777 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 2: that's the question of are you willing to do that? Like, 778 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 2: are you willing to go to this place for a 779 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: week at a time every month for at least the 780 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: first six months or so, and then at that point 781 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: you probably will have built a lot of those relationships 782 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: and it might be more doable. But I think you 783 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: would really need to invest that time upfront to make 784 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 2: it happen. And so asking yourself, well, yes, this is 785 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 2: a remote job, but would I be willing to be 786 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 2: sort of not so remote for a little bit until 787 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: I feel fully integrated into the community. 788 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, those are some things we'd consider. 789 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 3: Feel free to let us know if you have a 790 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 3: job that fits this description, if that has worked for you, 791 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 3: if it didn't work for you, considerations you thought about 792 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: when you decided to take it, et cetera. 793 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 1: All right, well, this has. 794 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: Then another episode of Best of Both Worlds. I've been 795 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 2: interviewing Cindy Everett about finding work and life being a 796 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: CFO and having some pretty awesome hobbies she's doing as well. 797 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: We will be back next week with more on making 798 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: work and life fit together. 799 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 800 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 801 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 3: and you. 802 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 2: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 803 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 804 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 2: us next time for more on making work and life 805 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 2: work together.